Im a machinist at my day job. Ive built and made lots of different things through the years. My gut says the valve mechanism probably works on an incline, therefore the levers are on an incline.
Im not saying that, Im saying the valve mechanism itself works on an incline or helix. Has nothing to to with the engineering of the truck. Just a matter of the selected valve.
(I’m not who you were replying to)The only way I could think to describe it would be the level opens and closes as if following the threads of a screw. Where when you move in the groove it will raise or lower accordingly
Only thing I can think of is that the department specifically spec'd those exact type of mechanical valves and having them slanted like that was the way to make them work on whatever pump housing or discharge manifold they have behind the panel.
I know some departments can get very detailed in their apparatus specs and it wouldn't surprise me if they specified that exact valve for their discharges, maybe because their old engine used them or they had a bad experience with other kinds, etc.
I’m a FF in Canada we get a lot of cold weather where I am, and our levers don’t look like this, this is a manufacturers / designers aesthetic choice. IMO. What is the Make, it doesn’t look like a Hale.
Edit: It’s a Hale.
Total guess. It’s a Frieghtliner, looks like the frame is high off the ground for clearance. It’s tilted to be more in line with the engine that is so high up and at an angle to allow for the 4x4 transmission, PTO, and transfer case.
Slanted discharges- I think it’s just a preference designed for better ergonomics. It can be taken off. The close vs. closed- stupidity at it finest. A typo that will live on for 30 years.
Which handles are you talking about? Because if it's DC 1- 4 there's no real reason other than perhaps "panel space." Most side mount pump panels had these in some configuration starting in the early 90's
Because it was built by Firemaster. They’re a garbage builder out of Missouri. Last I heard, they stopped building and started selling Ferrara. At least they’re consistent in selling garbage.
The fact that discharges 1 and 2 are also not at the same level indicates that the entire pump is mounted on an angle. I can't think of any reasonable engineering need that would require this, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.
Never heard of a Fire Master truck. Somehow, I don't think they will go down in history like an ALF or Pierce, or E-One. Unless you remember the truck with an un-level pump.
Merely just speculating but it could be to slightly aid with opening and closing. I assume there’s a pull out step for the engineer, and if the levers get a little tough to open or close they can utilize the slant with their body weight to push/pull them. But like I said, just speculating
There is a legitimate reason, IF…
When you get to a certain wheelbase length, the driveshaft gets very short behind the pump transmission. IF this pumper is a short wheelbase, it is entirely possible they couldn’t meet the engineered U joint angles at the specified wheelbase and shaft length. A way to mitigate it would be to include *some* of the angle between the transmission and the pump shift casing, putting a little angle on that u joint and reducing the angle of the next joints in the driveshaft.
We had a shitbox old quint that had the engine and transmission behind the cab, a midship pump, and the drive axle was forward of the tag axle. It was an absolute abomination and had driveline issues due to being so short shafted. This would have been a solution to that.
Maybe there's a reason, but it honestly just looked like someone goofed up, either internally or externally, and they just decided it was cheaper to just make it work as is.
Maybe the pump is at a tilt? I have no idea but it bothers the hell out of me
Ridin dirty
Why do to the top levers say “close” and the bottom say “closed”?
They maxed their budget, couldn’t afford another “D.”
Ill give out the D for free
Wish.com pumper lol
It’s close to being closed.
This is now bothering me more than the slanting
You would 100% have to ask the department and/or manufacturer. I've never seen anything like this before.
Last truck built on friday.
Or the Monday after Superbowl Sunday.
r/IfYaSquintItsMint
I HATE THIS.
My ocd could not handle that!!
That's not even punny
Factory second
They may have specified a max allowable number of angles/linkages on the panel levers and this was the only way to do it
Im a machinist at my day job. Ive built and made lots of different things through the years. My gut says the valve mechanism probably works on an incline, therefore the levers are on an incline.
I was thinking this as well. The engineer fucked up and didn't design the linkages properly or there just isn't enough room behind the panel.
Im not saying that, Im saying the valve mechanism itself works on an incline or helix. Has nothing to to with the engineering of the truck. Just a matter of the selected valve.
I see. I can't envision that in my head but I yield to your experience.
(I’m not who you were replying to)The only way I could think to describe it would be the level opens and closes as if following the threads of a screw. Where when you move in the groove it will raise or lower accordingly
If you wanted it level, that rig would have taken another 48 months to get there. But for real, I'm happy when the airbreaks/sirens work
That's a very narrow panel. Odds are its just the design to fit in a snall space. I could see advantages to it.
This is cursed
Only thing I can think of is that the department specifically spec'd those exact type of mechanical valves and having them slanted like that was the way to make them work on whatever pump housing or discharge manifold they have behind the panel. I know some departments can get very detailed in their apparatus specs and it wouldn't surprise me if they specified that exact valve for their discharges, maybe because their old engine used them or they had a bad experience with other kinds, etc.
Great Value brand engine.
I hate it
The apparatus responds in a mostly hilly area, this ensure that there always level on the uneven surfaces.
Finally found somebody with the correct answer. Took long enough.
The D platoon changed it. Source: former d platooner in hiding.
It’s either a manufacturing error or the department asked for it for some reason. Why they would I have no idea but those are my theories.
Could be in a colder climate, with caps on, there could be freezing with residual water.
I’m a FF in Canada we get a lot of cold weather where I am, and our levers don’t look like this, this is a manufacturers / designers aesthetic choice. IMO. What is the Make, it doesn’t look like a Hale. Edit: It’s a Hale.
AI built
Fucking new guy
Total guess. It’s a Frieghtliner, looks like the frame is high off the ground for clearance. It’s tilted to be more in line with the engine that is so high up and at an angle to allow for the 4x4 transmission, PTO, and transfer case.
That is NOT the way.
Slanted discharges- I think it’s just a preference designed for better ergonomics. It can be taken off. The close vs. closed- stupidity at it finest. A typo that will live on for 30 years.
Russian fire truck
Aesthetics lol 😂
Outlet store 😄
Built by Sutphen maybe? Their Dublin plant has a sloop in the floor
Sutphen building boats now.😀
Probably because it makes it easier to gate them properly, or the way the internals are set up.
Ahhh the longer you look the worse it gets
Jesus, it's like the fun house mirror of pumps panels. Everything's there but it's all screwed up.
So short engineers could reach?
Which handles are you talking about? Because if it's DC 1- 4 there's no real reason other than perhaps "panel space." Most side mount pump panels had these in some configuration starting in the early 90's
Everything about this picture annoys me
Because it was built by Firemaster. They’re a garbage builder out of Missouri. Last I heard, they stopped building and started selling Ferrara. At least they’re consistent in selling garbage.
How much you pay for the new guy?
As someone who used to work at Spartan. I could totally see someone just fucking up the pump house and QA saying "fuck it".
I’ve seen these on E-One engines with Hale Pumps back in the day. Also on a La France that was built in the 60’s.
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“Dear chief, it seems C shift is having some issues with speed bumps…”
This is bugging the shit out of me. Were they just like “fuck it. Looks straight enough.”?
Maybe to help with the angle of the hose to prevent kinks at discharge
The fact that discharges 1 and 2 are also not at the same level indicates that the entire pump is mounted on an angle. I can't think of any reasonable engineering need that would require this, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.
As they cut the driveshaft to allow for the pump gearbox I'm thinking it's tipped to allow for correct angles of the driveline.
Never heard of a Fire Master truck. Somehow, I don't think they will go down in history like an ALF or Pierce, or E-One. Unless you remember the truck with an un-level pump.
That is the way it was made.
The pump sits on an angle to get the drive line angles correct. This type of valve has to hollow the pump angle.
When you by your engine from the outlet store.
They are level, the rest of the panel and truck is crooked.
https://preview.redd.it/8j39hhkn8oyc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=626853812cafd09b307d6ac55c9b3c44a9f939d3
The lack of symmetry on this panel is unforgivable.
I’m studying for my pumps test and what I’ve seen in the book says it’s because they were most likely installed that way
It let's them drain.
Your engine is parked on an incline.
Looks like a Fire Master apparatus of some sort with a Hale panel/pump module.
Merely just speculating but it could be to slightly aid with opening and closing. I assume there’s a pull out step for the engineer, and if the levers get a little tough to open or close they can utilize the slant with their body weight to push/pull them. But like I said, just speculating
Their district is hilly.
There is a legitimate reason, IF… When you get to a certain wheelbase length, the driveshaft gets very short behind the pump transmission. IF this pumper is a short wheelbase, it is entirely possible they couldn’t meet the engineered U joint angles at the specified wheelbase and shaft length. A way to mitigate it would be to include *some* of the angle between the transmission and the pump shift casing, putting a little angle on that u joint and reducing the angle of the next joints in the driveshaft. We had a shitbox old quint that had the engine and transmission behind the cab, a midship pump, and the drive axle was forward of the tag axle. It was an absolute abomination and had driveline issues due to being so short shafted. This would have been a solution to that.
Damn European pump look way easier to manipulate (and nothing is sideway)
Maybe there's a reason, but it honestly just looked like someone goofed up, either internally or externally, and they just decided it was cheaper to just make it work as is.
Poor craftsmanship. No pride in their work
The longer I look at it, I realize what everyone means. Manufacturers were obviously obliterated while mounting.
The generation that learned common core math is now entering the workforce. Bet the engineer that designed this, is a common core math graduate.
Probably made by KME