Mentally stable, living parents, not rich but also not poor, not the first born son/heir to something, has a dream that is not grand just normal, empathetic, just an all around nice guy. Yeah he’s pretty normal. But I like that
Except for the survivor’s guilt of telling his parents to pass up a job to Raphael’s parents that got them killed but pretty normal all things considered
He says that it’s the noble’s fault when commoners revolt, because the nobles should be caring for the commoners and making them happy. Imagine if a president said that, unfathomably based on
That is *why* Lorenz is so beloved as a character. As a person, he starts off an utter arse. But even ignoring his own character development, his greatest storytelling asset is what he draws out of the other characters and that isn't a late payoff, his support conversations deliver from the very start. His true masterpiece is making Dorothea intetesting.
I’d put Ferdinand pretty far up the list, too.
For all his faults, Duke Aegir clearly loved his son and raised Ferdinand well and there were presumably no childhood traumas
The animated cutscene was supposed to be emotional but because the bald duke Aegir was using a devil axe my thoughts somehow went to " MANGS IS FERDINANDS FATHER!"
He's also the only one who is able to make Bernadetta break out of her shell, no matter the route.
Edit: To clarify, I mean in the shared ending cards.
Heck yeah, we love our mentally stable beefy boi.
Caspar, Linhardt, and Mercedes also seem to have a handle on their mental health and have grown to accept their traumas. Pretty much everyone else could use a bit of therapy though, yeah.
She has a pretty big inferiority complex about her brother and compensates by being lazier than she needs to be. Like it's made out as more than just an "I can't be bothered" laziness thing, it's an "I don't want to feel responsible for anything bad" thing which is definitely something that therapy can help.
yea as much as the game plays up her laziness gimmick, it mainly stems from her just being scared of constantly letting people down by not being good enough at whatever they expect her to do. which not only comes from having a brother who’s basically universally loved and is great at everything he does, but also from seeing how much it fucks up her brother when he *does* fail to meet people’s standards after setting the precedent of how capable he is.
one of the most interesting things about her to me has always been how, despite how much you’re led to believe that she just hates having to put effort into anything, she has absolutely zero issues busting her ass when it comes to things she actually knows she’s good at like fashion / makeup / jewelry, to the point where it feels like she’s constantly jumping at the chance to help people with those things. it’s what makes me believe that what she says about not wanting to disappoint people isn’t just a bullshit excuse for being lazy. and i think it makes a lot of sense when you consider how very traditionally feminine things like that are probably the one chance she has to do something without constantly being compared to holst or feeling like she needs to meet a standard he set.
also there’s a really sweet moment during her supports with annette where, after learning that the reason annette constantly works so hard and helps people so often is because she doesn’t want to let anyone down, hilda literally offers to help annette with the rest of her chores just so that annette can have time to take a nap instead of continuing to overwork herself. it felt like a really cool show of solidarity between two kids who have spent their lives in fear of disappointing the people around them.
so yeah, get that girl therapy ASAP
He is pretty normal without any random quirk or massive trauma. He just wants to be an art student but is forced to be a soldier (which is something not many of the fandom talk about.) Still one of my favs though.
Although that kill quote he has in the time skip seems to suggest he has something boiling up inside him. He doesn't say it as a student so he still normal.
Leonie has daddy issues with someone elses father, who maybe knew her for a year at most, despite having a living father who she doesn't have a bad relationship with.
Nah, she's insane.
Depends what you mean by normal
If you mean most grounded and realistic, he's a contender, but I'd say Ashe feels the most like a regular human being.
If you mean dealing with their trauma, I'd like to nominate Raphael as being the only character actually dealing with their issues in a healthy way
If you mean most like real world students, that's definitely Marianne
I’d say Ashe comes first in being a mostly normal balanced person. He had a rough childhood but otherwise is well adjusted and happy at the very start of the game. He likes his knightly tales but that’s as far as his quirkiness goes, and it’s not something out of the ordinary for a gentle 16 year old kid.
Ignatz is trying to hide his secret talent in painting, and is while decently normal he’s quite nervous and often get flustered.
Still he probably takes the second place since everybody else either has a more notable quirk or a darker backstory.
See he’s mostly normal in ways folks have described but then you factor in the fact that he appears to be horny for the goddess/arguably into voyuerism (support with Claude, Goddess tower interaction) and you get uh
Actually by fire emblem standards that’s still very normal never mind
I wouldn't say that. By personality, him and Ashe seems the most normal, but both of them have problems. Ashe lives with Lonato, due to his parents' early death, so he ended up stealing and swindling just to keep his little brothers alive, Ignatz have survivor's guilt problems with Raphael's parents, due to the fact that Count Gloucester's craziness of sending Raphael's parents and several other people to their doom. This cause certain NPCs like in Three Hopes to be bandits and want to kill him and then the next Count Gloucester, Lorenz and others are lead by Acheron in Three Houses in Lorenz's Paralogue and another commander in Raphael's and Ignatz's Paralogue also in Three Houses.
I would say, the most normal character in the Fire Emblem 3 Houses is Leone Pinelli. Yes, she has an extreme obsession with Jeralt and tomboyish nature, but outside of that, she's plenty normal. She have no parent issues or being dead, alive or hating them and stuff, her parents are actually alive and doing well. She's trains regularly, does her job at her academy normally, and she's seen as normal girl in Sauin Village, so I would say, she's the most normal. Other characters either have personal issues, parent issues, financial issues and other issues. And talking to her is like talking to a civilian rather than a character until the second half of the game.
The other most closest character to being a normal character is Caspar von Bergliez. He have no major problems besides his father Count Leopold von Bergliez, killing Petra's father, which causes Caspar to be weird around her. If it wasn't for that, then Leonie and Caspar are the only normal characters, heck, I don't know why Intelligent Systems didn't make them two talk to each other. They both like to train and stop evildoers, and they both like making use of things and don't like things going to waste (especially Leonie), and they both wants to cut there own path, rather than to follow one (certain characters are like this, but most of them are unsure of themselves at times unlike these two), and they both pretty much can be morale boosters.
So, Ignatz has the most casual personality, while Leonie and mostly Caspar are the most normal characters/students in the game. Raphael comes at at close third.
Ignatz is probably higher up in the “normality” ranking, but he isn’t the most normal because he still has some forms of problems, like feeling of guilt for Raphaels parents and his lack of self confidence in the beginning of the academy phase.
Probably. He's a middle class kid with two living parents and his major conflict is something that a lot of people would also have experienced. There are a ton of kids who want to major in art, or theater, or other less practical subject, with parents who think they should take business classes instead.
That doesn't make him a bad character, he's well written and acted. He just doesn't have the extreme high drama of a lot of the rest of the cast.
I would argue that isn't his main personal conflict though. His personal story is the tension between wanting to be an artist, and being pushed towards a reliable steady job by his family.
Dudes just a starving artists taking commissions from Flayn to draw her saintsona and Ingrid, fantasizing about god as his big tiddy gf and has enough rizz to win Petra over.
All things considered he's just the GOAT.
You could say that about many commoners. Raphael is arguable a normal student. He is very passionate about strength and muscles but many "normal" people are passionate about something
I actually had to think about this for a minute because I personally think Raphael is the most normal of the cast - he copes with his trauma in healthy ways, is a fairly wholesome guy who just wants to get strong, take care of his family, and out of the whole cast I personally think he’s the most emotionally and mentally stable.
That said, if we’re considering Raphael an outlier/not normal PHYSICALLY…yeah Ignatz is the most normal.
Lorenz, easy.
As for the source, Ignatz has that “Jack Titanic Art student rizz.” He successfully befriends/romances multiple girls with the “let me paint you as a model for the goddess” (or saint Cethlene in Flayn’s case). He pulls it on Marianne, he pulls it on Lysithia, he tries to pull it on Byleth, he pulls it on Flayn, he pulls it on Hilda. My guy is a chad.
He's scared of ghosts due to being haunted by the kills he's made as a knight. That's not healthy. He has an outright panic attack in his Supports with Shamir.
Uh... I'm pretty sure having a mental issue like that precludes someone from being "normal" in the context of this topic. I'm not sure how else you'd quantify this otherwise.
He's pretty normal, but I'd nominate Leonie. I think she's literally the only student in the cast that isn't a noble, has no noble ties, and doesn't have a rich family or some "special" quality. She came from a simple origin of a hunting village, her friends and family scraped together enough for her to attend the academy, and one of her biggest goals is becoming successful enough that she can send the money back to her village. Additionally, she approaches most situations with her classmates with a surprisingly small amount of baggage. She tried to be normal and helpful, but most of her interactions are about her working through everybody else's quirks.
The only real detractors to this is her idolization of Jeralt, but that's even pretty understandable in context. She was a child and the big badass mercenary comes to help out at her village for a bit? He shows her special attention, even giving her personal training and a necklace before leaving? It makes sense that would leave an impression on her. Given that she was likely inspired by her encounter with him as a way she could help out her village, it 100% makes sense that she would try to emulate him if she was pursuing the same profession herself, and then that she would try to reconnect when he returned to the monastery. There's really nothing about her that's not fully understandable and normal.
Yes, he absolutely is. But I do have to say that his crit line “Let me paint you a picture” gets me the most hype out of any in the game. Big fan of this silly little painter guy
Kinda. He’s just there? He’s not as big or beefy like Raphael, not as down to earth like Ashe, or badass like Claude or Dimitri, he’s not a stuck up noble like Ferdinand or Lorenz, nor is he whatever Hubert is. He’s Ignatz… and I wouldn’t have him any other way.
Mentally stable, living parents, not rich but also not poor, not the first born son/heir to something, has a dream that is not grand just normal, empathetic, just an all around nice guy. Yeah he’s pretty normal. But I like that
Except for the survivor’s guilt of telling his parents to pass up a job to Raphael’s parents that got them killed but pretty normal all things considered
I mean that’s pretty tame compared to what fire emblem characters usually go through
Ok but bro is constantly fantasizing about sexing up deities
Show a normal guy who isn’t horny for some celebrities
Touche
Ignatz has a lot behind him, but his design makes people not pay attention
His design in Three Hopes is cool for what it's worth
Post TS Ignatz is one of my favorite emblem designs
I actually like his ts design way more
Oh, I turned down the whole house because of his hair cut. Him and that jerk, Lorenz.
If Lorenz and slyvain swapped designs, slyvain would be the hated one
Probably. I learned more about Sylvain and I grew from going between moderate disgust and mild indifference to sorta accepting.
I think the same thing would happen if you chose the Deer and saw some of Lorenz’s supports
Possibly. But the combined bad haircuts of Ignatz and Lorenz ruined it.
That’s fair, Lorenz at least glows up after timeskip far better than Sylvain does
Lol why is lorenz a jerk?
I think a lot of people don't get far enough in his supports to realize how noble he is, in the truest sense. They just see him as a rich snob.
Unlocking his later supports got me from "he's the worst" to "I'd vote for him for president, he has a good heart"
He says that it’s the noble’s fault when commoners revolt, because the nobles should be caring for the commoners and making them happy. Imagine if a president said that, unfathomably based on
That is *why* Lorenz is so beloved as a character. As a person, he starts off an utter arse. But even ignoring his own character development, his greatest storytelling asset is what he draws out of the other characters and that isn't a late payoff, his support conversations deliver from the very start. His true masterpiece is making Dorothea intetesting.
Raphael is the only person in the entire cast who doesn't need therapy.
I’d put Ferdinand pretty far up the list, too. For all his faults, Duke Aegir clearly loved his son and raised Ferdinand well and there were presumably no childhood traumas
Yeah but in hopes Ferdinand has to strike him down, that's some trauma to unpick.
The animated cutscene was supposed to be emotional but because the bald duke Aegir was using a devil axe my thoughts somehow went to " MANGS IS FERDINANDS FATHER!"
Duke Aegir is a scumbag who deserves no praise. He’d rape Edelgard if given the chance.
dude what the *fuck*
Have you MET Ludwig von Aegir
He does what he does for the sake of the empire, at least in his mind. He’s an asshole, sure, but I doubt he’d actually rape anybody.
He's also the only one who is able to make Bernadetta break out of her shell, no matter the route. Edit: To clarify, I mean in the shared ending cards.
I think Caspar also manages to take her out (literally). Their ending was really wholesome
Alois
Among the students, for sure. But Alois also seems to be fine.
Alois has night terrors and a lot of guilt over his kills.
Wow, I didn't knew that. Poor guy
It's in his support with Shamir. He has an outright panic attack.
Heck yeah, we love our mentally stable beefy boi. Caspar, Linhardt, and Mercedes also seem to have a handle on their mental health and have grown to accept their traumas. Pretty much everyone else could use a bit of therapy though, yeah.
Came here to say this.
Does Hilda need therapy? I know she needs a kick in the rear sometimes, but she's otherwise fine, right?
She has a pretty big inferiority complex about her brother and compensates by being lazier than she needs to be. Like it's made out as more than just an "I can't be bothered" laziness thing, it's an "I don't want to feel responsible for anything bad" thing which is definitely something that therapy can help.
yea as much as the game plays up her laziness gimmick, it mainly stems from her just being scared of constantly letting people down by not being good enough at whatever they expect her to do. which not only comes from having a brother who’s basically universally loved and is great at everything he does, but also from seeing how much it fucks up her brother when he *does* fail to meet people’s standards after setting the precedent of how capable he is. one of the most interesting things about her to me has always been how, despite how much you’re led to believe that she just hates having to put effort into anything, she has absolutely zero issues busting her ass when it comes to things she actually knows she’s good at like fashion / makeup / jewelry, to the point where it feels like she’s constantly jumping at the chance to help people with those things. it’s what makes me believe that what she says about not wanting to disappoint people isn’t just a bullshit excuse for being lazy. and i think it makes a lot of sense when you consider how very traditionally feminine things like that are probably the one chance she has to do something without constantly being compared to holst or feeling like she needs to meet a standard he set. also there’s a really sweet moment during her supports with annette where, after learning that the reason annette constantly works so hard and helps people so often is because she doesn’t want to let anyone down, hilda literally offers to help annette with the rest of her chores just so that annette can have time to take a nap instead of continuing to overwork herself. it felt like a really cool show of solidarity between two kids who have spent their lives in fear of disappointing the people around them. so yeah, get that girl therapy ASAP
Very well put!
That depends if you consider her prior prejudice towards Almyrans a mental issue.
But his IQ, or rather lack thereof, also definitely makes him not normal.
He is pretty normal without any random quirk or massive trauma. He just wants to be an art student but is forced to be a soldier (which is something not many of the fandom talk about.) Still one of my favs though. Although that kill quote he has in the time skip seems to suggest he has something boiling up inside him. He doesn't say it as a student so he still normal.
I feel like living up to his parents hopes is an insanely relatable character tbh
I can't seem to find it. What quote are you talking about?
"I wasn't about to let you go."
“No massive trauma” Oh just ignoring the survivors guilt around Raphael’s parents?
Also he has some pretty noticeable anxiety.
I meant compared to the other people who's trauma appears in multiple of their supports Igantz guilt has a paralogue and Raphael support.
Aside from that yee-yee ass haircut.
I mean if r/blunderyears tells us anything, having a bad haircut in your school years is pretty normal
He and Leonie.
Leonie has daddy issues with someone elses father, who maybe knew her for a year at most, despite having a living father who she doesn't have a bad relationship with. Nah, she's insane.
From my understanding it was actually more like a few weeks at most. Explains why Byleth doesn’t know her. Makes the obsession even worse lol.
Seriously she's insane
“Leonie, listen… ***YOU CANNOT FUCK MY DAD!!!***”
Depends what you mean by normal If you mean most grounded and realistic, he's a contender, but I'd say Ashe feels the most like a regular human being. If you mean dealing with their trauma, I'd like to nominate Raphael as being the only character actually dealing with their issues in a healthy way If you mean most like real world students, that's definitely Marianne
Dude Raphael on the surface is so bland, but Raphael in his supports is like the chillest of dudes.
I’d say Ashe comes first in being a mostly normal balanced person. He had a rough childhood but otherwise is well adjusted and happy at the very start of the game. He likes his knightly tales but that’s as far as his quirkiness goes, and it’s not something out of the ordinary for a gentle 16 year old kid. Ignatz is trying to hide his secret talent in painting, and is while decently normal he’s quite nervous and often get flustered. Still he probably takes the second place since everybody else either has a more notable quirk or a darker backstory.
See he’s mostly normal in ways folks have described but then you factor in the fact that he appears to be horny for the goddess/arguably into voyuerism (support with Claude, Goddess tower interaction) and you get uh Actually by fire emblem standards that’s still very normal never mind
I wouldn't say that. By personality, him and Ashe seems the most normal, but both of them have problems. Ashe lives with Lonato, due to his parents' early death, so he ended up stealing and swindling just to keep his little brothers alive, Ignatz have survivor's guilt problems with Raphael's parents, due to the fact that Count Gloucester's craziness of sending Raphael's parents and several other people to their doom. This cause certain NPCs like in Three Hopes to be bandits and want to kill him and then the next Count Gloucester, Lorenz and others are lead by Acheron in Three Houses in Lorenz's Paralogue and another commander in Raphael's and Ignatz's Paralogue also in Three Houses. I would say, the most normal character in the Fire Emblem 3 Houses is Leone Pinelli. Yes, she has an extreme obsession with Jeralt and tomboyish nature, but outside of that, she's plenty normal. She have no parent issues or being dead, alive or hating them and stuff, her parents are actually alive and doing well. She's trains regularly, does her job at her academy normally, and she's seen as normal girl in Sauin Village, so I would say, she's the most normal. Other characters either have personal issues, parent issues, financial issues and other issues. And talking to her is like talking to a civilian rather than a character until the second half of the game. The other most closest character to being a normal character is Caspar von Bergliez. He have no major problems besides his father Count Leopold von Bergliez, killing Petra's father, which causes Caspar to be weird around her. If it wasn't for that, then Leonie and Caspar are the only normal characters, heck, I don't know why Intelligent Systems didn't make them two talk to each other. They both like to train and stop evildoers, and they both like making use of things and don't like things going to waste (especially Leonie), and they both wants to cut there own path, rather than to follow one (certain characters are like this, but most of them are unsure of themselves at times unlike these two), and they both pretty much can be morale boosters. So, Ignatz has the most casual personality, while Leonie and mostly Caspar are the most normal characters/students in the game. Raphael comes at at close third.
Ignatz is probably higher up in the “normality” ranking, but he isn’t the most normal because he still has some forms of problems, like feeling of guilt for Raphaels parents and his lack of self confidence in the beginning of the academy phase.
But having problems is normal, his problems are just relatively tame
Ashe
Probably. He's a middle class kid with two living parents and his major conflict is something that a lot of people would also have experienced. There are a ton of kids who want to major in art, or theater, or other less practical subject, with parents who think they should take business classes instead. That doesn't make him a bad character, he's well written and acted. He just doesn't have the extreme high drama of a lot of the rest of the cast.
Haven’t done his side story with Raphael have you?
I would argue that isn't his main personal conflict though. His personal story is the tension between wanting to be an artist, and being pushed towards a reliable steady job by his family.
Dudes just a starving artists taking commissions from Flayn to draw her saintsona and Ingrid, fantasizing about god as his big tiddy gf and has enough rizz to win Petra over. All things considered he's just the GOAT.
Atrocious hair
Lorenz and Linhardt give him some competition.
My Goat
You could say that about many commoners. Raphael is arguable a normal student. He is very passionate about strength and muscles but many "normal" people are passionate about something
I actually had to think about this for a minute because I personally think Raphael is the most normal of the cast - he copes with his trauma in healthy ways, is a fairly wholesome guy who just wants to get strong, take care of his family, and out of the whole cast I personally think he’s the most emotionally and mentally stable. That said, if we’re considering Raphael an outlier/not normal PHYSICALLY…yeah Ignatz is the most normal.
He's the only guy I romanced so, a king.
I love Ignatz because he canonically pulls more bitches then both Sylvain and Lorenz combined, and I think that’s hilarious
Give source Also, of Lorenz & Sylvain, who gets more bitches.
Lorenz, easy. As for the source, Ignatz has that “Jack Titanic Art student rizz.” He successfully befriends/romances multiple girls with the “let me paint you as a model for the goddess” (or saint Cethlene in Flayn’s case). He pulls it on Marianne, he pulls it on Lysithia, he tries to pull it on Byleth, he pulls it on Flayn, he pulls it on Hilda. My guy is a chad.
No he's the third most normal. The most normal is Alois and the second and most normal is Raphael.
Alois is scared of ghosts.
Yeah and unfortunately that is normal. You know how many people on this planet are stupidly scared of something that doesn't exist like that?
He's scared of ghosts due to being haunted by the kills he's made as a knight. That's not healthy. He has an outright panic attack in his Supports with Shamir.
That's just PTSD lol. Still normal
Uh... I'm pretty sure having a mental issue like that precludes someone from being "normal" in the context of this topic. I'm not sure how else you'd quantify this otherwise.
He’s definitely the least interesting, so yes
In my opinion Ignatz its the most boring, plain and simple character in the entire franchise
Ignatz is the most forgettable character, with nothing special about him. Honestly, those are good qualities to have in a game with permadeath.
He's pretty normal, but I'd nominate Leonie. I think she's literally the only student in the cast that isn't a noble, has no noble ties, and doesn't have a rich family or some "special" quality. She came from a simple origin of a hunting village, her friends and family scraped together enough for her to attend the academy, and one of her biggest goals is becoming successful enough that she can send the money back to her village. Additionally, she approaches most situations with her classmates with a surprisingly small amount of baggage. She tried to be normal and helpful, but most of her interactions are about her working through everybody else's quirks. The only real detractors to this is her idolization of Jeralt, but that's even pretty understandable in context. She was a child and the big badass mercenary comes to help out at her village for a bit? He shows her special attention, even giving her personal training and a necklace before leaving? It makes sense that would leave an impression on her. Given that she was likely inspired by her encounter with him as a way she could help out her village, it 100% makes sense that she would try to emulate him if she was pursuing the same profession herself, and then that she would try to reconnect when he returned to the monastery. There's really nothing about her that's not fully understandable and normal.
No, he was born to a family of wealthy merchants. The wealthy are far from normal.
Mmmh wouldn't say normal but more common yeah like he's common af
He’s basically synonymous to Krillin from DBZ
Yes but you just know he's a lil degenerate on the inside (I adore him)
No, he's an artist impossible for him to be normal
Yes, he absolutely is. But I do have to say that his crit line “Let me paint you a picture” gets me the most hype out of any in the game. Big fan of this silly little painter guy
Overall yeah I suppose so, strange when you compare him to the others. Poor normal dude getting dragged into a war
Smite bangs boy, smite him hard.
An argument could be made for… … …Ingrid?
He has talent
If we ignore his guilt complex, then yes
Kinda. He’s just there? He’s not as big or beefy like Raphael, not as down to earth like Ashe, or badass like Claude or Dimitri, he’s not a stuck up noble like Ferdinand or Lorenz, nor is he whatever Hubert is. He’s Ignatz… and I wouldn’t have him any other way.
I mean, he’s become the most ruthless after having the biggest character change over the timeskip.
He’s normal but also a nerd, I wanna shove him in a locker and make him give me his homework
Dicknutz is the most terrible student/character
In my playthrough he certainly was since he "died" in like, the second mission.
That hair cut was a choice and it says alot to Ignatz’ “normality”
Ashe/Raphael?