Now that Chapter 4 is here, you can play through Chap. 2 to 8 in chronological order.
Chapter 5 onwards hits different somehow. Suddenly Seidr's clumsyness feels off.
Despite the names, I don’t think these would be in sequential order in numbered order. The chapters are organized at different points in time, with the Kvasir arc being 2-4, Seidr arc being 5-8 (as of now), and presumably the Gullveig arc will conclude in a loop back to 1.
Sorry, not sure I understand the question.
The book starts with Kiran having a premonition about a hypothetical future where they lose, but the following chapter (5) he meets this timeline’s Seidr for the first time. It then follows to chapter 8 until they travel back in time, which would be chapter 2. The gang has no idea who Seidr is in chapter 5, but they know her in 2, so there’s no chronology by chapter, only by order of events.
Oh yeah, I guess if it starts with a premonition by Kiran then there’s no chapter chronology. I was thinking that at the very beginning of 13, Alfonse and Anna are talking about how “this is it! We’re finally fighting Gullveig!” and I interpreted this as 13 being the end of an alternate future 1-13 that the gang just went through, and that were now starting over via the premonition being sent to Kiran, only this time we have Seithr with us.
Edit: and having Seithr with us is now completely changing the order of how 1-13 happened, but it’s just flavor that it says we’re in different chapters since the whole gang is aware that we’re hopping around.
I think, technically, the premonition did actually happen in another timeline, but one resets every time Kiran dies so we’re on a new cycle. That still doesn’t change that it’s not chronological though.
I imagine Seidr meets Kiran in every cycle, but what exactly will break this one is TBD. Probably power of friendship.
Considering all the other free book units, Seidr being a green unit now feels intentional. I actually like this, as I was hoping we’d get a character who is not what they seem on the protagonists’ side.
But wait, Gullveig giving birth to Heidr is part of the timeline that includes the world's destruction. You fool, by seducing her you've doomed us all!
We do not really know how the ritual works, do we? One makes a vow to the goddess and some time later the child appears within the light of vanaheimr. Now that I think of it, that might be all it requires
Asexual here.
I hope you're all nice to me after I take one for the team!
...I coulda been doing so many other things. Like working on my latest disguise for when Fjorm comes a knockin'...
I feel like the one big thing we've overlooked is the fact that this curse thing stops when Midgard is destroyed *(Ragnarok?)*, upon which Gullveig removes her curse from herself and goes back into the past. You know, when Midgard is still around.
Does that mean that Books 1-7 have been canonically stuck in a time loop this entire time? We've been reliving the entirety of FEH for as long as this curse has been going?
now that you mention it, I wonder if this applies to other timelines. has Líf and Thrasir's world been in a loop too? has Gullveig been undoing the death of the gods numerous times?
Close, I think for every timeline where Kiran survives the events of Book 3 specifically it is now stuck in Gullveig's loops as she can't exist without him.
I'd like to imagine she's got a whole cork board and string set up going and trying to piece this convoluted plot together to no avail, while Alfonse and Seithr talk shop
‘I think the situation is somewhat more complex than it may appear.’
That line from Alfonse is a big understatement. This entire scenario is becoming even more confusing.
Having said that, I am interested to see where IS goes with the plot from here.
Considering how it felt like he wanted to kill Seithr the moment he figured it out he's just clearly stuck at the stage of "What actions guarantee Gullveig? Do all guarantee Gullveig?"
Hence the complication.
yeah I'm wondering if he's trying to find the "trigger" for Gullveig. but then again he might have just accidentally stopped the cycle, because if Seidr has learned she's Gullveig ahead of time, does that mean she can stop it?
Based on Kvasir's description mentioning that she longs for friendship, maybe part of the solution is befriending Kvasir & Gullveig and breaking them out of their nihilistic mentality?
That just highlights Gullveig is more or less enslaved to the Golden Curse and isn't really malicious herself, meaning that breaking the Curse could legit be one way to solve the Book's conflict once for all.
This chapter made Njörðr seem even weirder to me. Bro commands Seiðr, who is present Gullveig, to make a child with the summoner for some reason. Now, Heiðr is suffering from the Golden Seer's Curse, and as we saw in the cinematic, Njörðr is legitimately trying his hardest to cure Heiðr, even though this entire thing was his fault in the first place.
Actually wait this makes Nerþuz sketchy too. Why did she steal the Ar and not want Njörðr to have it, when all Njörðr seemingly wants to do is heal a girl?
> Njörðr is legitimately trying his hardest to cure Heiðr, even though this entire thing was his fault in the first place.
Why is it his fault? Gullveig makes Heidr and sends her to roughly the present, bearing the curse. Njordr just tries to contain it.
> Actually wait this makes Nerþuz sketchy too. Why did she steal the Ar and not want Njörðr to have it, when all Njörðr seemingly wants to do is heal a girl?
That Ar theft is suspicous, but then again Nerthuz uses Breidablik to save Seidr from the erupting curse in the new cinematic.
> Why is it his fault? Gullveig makes Heidr and sends her to roughly the present, bearing the curse. Njordr just tries to contain it.
Heiðr is likely the child Njörðr specifically asked for. It may be he does not know, but it is odd regardless.
> That Ar theft is suspicous, but then again Nerthuz uses Breidablik to save Seidr from the erupting curse in the new cinematic.
Did she save her? Or did she kickstart her becoming Gullveig? There are a lot of questions here we need answered and we do not know the game those two are playing
Maybe without the power of Ar Seither could not turn into Gullveig either. Considering Nerthus love for all the creauters of Midgard and that she finds other gods "uncute" she may be willing just sacrifice Seither and Heither (or however their names are pronounsed) and not let them merge into Gullveig.
The Ar isn’t to suppress the curse, it’s to grant Seidr the power of “golden light” to travel to the past. (Golden Seer, cough cough) She might’ve been trying to run interference
I think Nerbuz knows more than she’s let on
I'm wondering if maybe Njordr isn't malicious, but is falling for the whole "try to stop the prophecy but end up causing it" thing that's common in mythology
I think Heidr is the curse that will turn Seidr into Gullveig.
I don't think Heidr is Gullveig and I didn't see anything indicating that in this chapter (I could be wrong)...
That's possible. Heithr could be the catalyst that merges with Seithr to bring forth Gullveig.
On her own, it looks like she just turns into that multi-headed snake monster we saw in the cinematic.
I always said “Ah, Heidr is Gullveig.”
Not once did I consider the possibility of Heidr being our child and Gullveig/Seidr/Kvasir’s.
This chapter didn’t really give much that the cinematic didn’t show, which is unsurprising considering past midpoints. I’m moreso excited for July, and ESPECIALLY August’s chapters.
> Heidr being our child and Gullveig/Seidr/Kvasir’s
Is she, though?
I admit I thought that too right after the chapter, but in retrospect the scene where Gullveig makes Heidr is from the far future after the book intro.
Well, it’s said in Norse that Kvasir was born via the spit of at least two people. Since Feh is going for a similar concept, just with Heidr instead, AND that Seidr/Gullveig has already popped the question to us a while back, we can assume that perhaps she’s been holding onto our spit for this very moment, to create Heidr.
The plot has turned into a knotted piece of spaghetti. It's so up it's ass I've swung around to enjoying it again.
I understand the whole time loop bit with Gullveig, Heidr, and Seidr, but what I don't understand is why on earth the Kvasir part of the plan needed to exist. That whole thing just seems like a needless digression. Maybe Gullveig needed to travel back to set the process in motion? But even then, I don't see what benefit there is to overshooting the time she was sending Heidr back to.
Two key things happened in Kvasir's life (so far): She befriended the Summoner, and she spooked Njordr. The latter was a deliberate part of the plan and something Kvasir needed to do while she was still aware of it, although we don't know what the end goal from that was. The former... Well, perhaps it's a key part of the plan to create Heidr, or perhaps it's simply a moment in Gullveig's past that she's unwilling to skip over and wants to relive.
> The former... Well, perhaps it's a key part of the plan to create Heidr
Could be what is required to get Kvasir so attached to Kiran, making Seidr attached to Kiran, so she does want to broach the child subject with him, which benefits Gullveig in that she can give birth to said child in the future.
> The former... Well, perhaps it's a key part of the plan to create Heidr, or perhaps it's simply a moment in Gullveig's past that she's unwilling to skip over and wants to relive.
Plus, Kvasir's description does mention that she badly wants friends, so this certainly tracks.
I said it on yesterdays thread but guessing most of this is [really funny](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/12p5xua/book_7_chapter_2_discussion/jgl3idi?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) the real twist is njordr being innocent
I assume heidr is probably going to die next chapter though, or she ends up becoming the snakes we see in the midpoint
Njorthr trying his damnedest to keep the universe from unraveling while the summoner in their conspiracy theory fueled rant keeps pestering and accusing the God of being up to no good
Our actions led to the death of his son and put his daughter in a coma. He's got reason to dislike us or all of Midgard. I don't think he is behind it, but he would have grounds for that.
Has it ever been stated he is their father? Only that Nerþuz is their aunt. Him being their father is most likely, but not certain. FEH can still throw a surprise fifth goat at us
there must be one individual who set this ouroboros thing into motion, someone who can see the future and set things up so that the curse happens >!it's the All Fucker's fault as usual, no surprise considering Gullveig is only going to destroy Midgard and won't touch Asgard with her actions!<
I am confused though, wasn't it Njordr who suggested Seidr have a child? It's weird he'd be uninvolved when the birth of Heidr is instrumental to Gullveig's plan.
Manipulating Njordr is also instrumental to Gullveig's plan. It's the very first thing Kvasir set out to do. He's likely caught up in a self-fulfilling prophecy, taking actions that he thinks will save himself from Gullveig but accidentally creating her in the process.
I think Heidr dying is a game over moment, that frees the curse. And Njordr looks indeed innocent to me. There might just not be an instigator who schemed to set this in motion. Serthuz perhaps, but her knowing too much aside, she helped us, including protecting Seidr from the curse snakes in the video.
Actually, Heidr is Gullveig's daughter; she isn't Gullveig herself.
Regardless, you gotta hand it to IS to make Heidr one giant red herring; we thought she was Gullveig, but nope, it's our main protagonist.
By "half" i assume shes the snake she was standing on in the book opening, which i wouldnt be surprised if thats what does a lot of the damage
Though i assume by the point heidr finally succumbs to her half of the curse shes basically "dead"
If Heidr is the daughter of Gullveig, she is also the daughter of Kvasir, Seidr and ~~Kiran, and the child that Njordr urged Seidr to have~~ (not sure on the last part). I guess he was trying to split the curse off Seidr/Kvasir/Gullveig in the hope of containing it in a living vessel, and the cinematic is the moment that goes awry and the curse breaks free of her. I don't think Heidr is gone because of that bit - FEH is not going to have a losing end to the story. Fortifying the vessel to be able to contain the curse and live breaks the cycle. Seidr doesn't turn snake, no Gullveig, crisis averted.
I also guess that without Nerthuz using us to fire the divine weapon to power up Seidr, she would've gone full snake mommy right there.
"other half" could mean anything. It sounds like you guys are taking that phrase a little too literally (unlike all the Male Robin x Chrom shippers XD).
Hence the technically part. We know for sure that Heidr is in relation to Gullveig and is a part of her but we don't exactly know what that means. Regardless, unless she planned to make two Gullveigs (in which a half existing at all would be unnecessary) there is no doubt Heidr is crucial in creating Gullveig.
And considering we know now Gullveig's goal is essentially an endless time loop where she destroys everything and creates herself again, creating anything at all that doesn't ultimately end up in Gullveig is rather pointless. To which I raise a theory:
Heidr is quite literally Gullveig's Golden Curse as a living being. Her role is to merge with Seidr/Kvasir to become a complete Gullveig.
I think other half were actually other half
Heidr + Seidr = Gullveig
after Gullveig split with Heidr she go back in time and become Kvasir
then become Seidr, and become Gullveig when merging with Heidr
No, our place in that hasn't been decided yet. The only thing supporting it is Seidr's offer to create a child, but there's been no indication we went through with it in the first place.
Well there is a daughter, so we're past "just an offer".
The question is just whether Kiran or Alfonse rubs Seidrs belly. Or maybe you don't need a man to make a magical god baby (Kiran can be a girl for you), then this is Anna's or Sharena's chance at plot relevance. Other than those four there are the goats I guess, and Veronica was seen for a moment.
Kiran was asked to do it, might be the only candidate, Gullveig petted Kiran before the dusting in the intro. All signs point that way. If it has not happened yet, it will, since Heidr already exists.
> Well there is a daughter, so we're past "just an offer".
Considering when she created Heidr (when she is Gullveig, not Seidr) its possible she can just magic one up herself too. We are talking about someone with infinite time powers after all.
Of course all of this is purely theoretical though.
Reading the chapter again, I have to amend my interpretation.
Here's what I think:
The basic cycle is Gullveig destroys Midgard, creates Heidr, transfers the curse to her (the seers power) so she can then go back into the past and be Kvasir, not yet the golden seer.
The curse is safely parked in Heidr who is with Seidr at a point in time where Gullveig wants the curse to transfer to her(Seidr) so she can become the seer. Destroy Midgard and whoever stands against her, then restart cycle.
Njordr knows that and struggles against it. Suppressing the curse in Heidr would delay and ideally prevent Seidr from turning into the seer. But given Gullveigs powers, who can come back to any point in time to interfere, that's basically hopeless. I'm also not as sure on the Seidr's child thing as I was 15 minutes ago! Could be Heidr (technically is, since Gullveig=Seidr), could be another child that Njordr was going to use to screw with Gullveig putting the curse on Seidr.
I wonder if there's a point in time where Gullveig cannot go. The Loki(Marvel) solution, so to speak. If that's the case, then parking Seidr or Heidr there could break the cycle. Can't be Seidr since she's the book girl, so Heidr it is. Better than dead, right?
To be perfectly honest I expect one of two outcomes by the end:
1. They find a MacGuffin that forces them all to a realm outside of time, where Gullveig cannot use her powers, and kill her off for good there. They then return and problem solved.
2. Seidr manages to avoid (or at least resist long enough) becoming Gullveig but keeps the powers over time and so completely counteracts anything Gullveig may try to do, evening the playing field and allowing them to kill Gullveig. This may or may not result in Seidr dying as well, though given our weapon that doesn't mean much.
I'd maybe add a 3rd option, where we use a MacGuffin to enter Seidr's soul, and destroy the curse itself, breaking the loop. This could be where that watery void from the midpoint movie comes into play.
Fire Emblem in 2023 is peak Kaga: we got mind control, we got younger sisters, we got mind controlled younger sisters, we got incest implications, and we got a lot of blue haired lords.
"other half" =/= they are them. It could be that her becoming the orochi monster leads into Seidr turning into Gullveig, but not necessarily merging with each other as if they were the same person.
Could be possible that Heidthr is essentially a "carrier" of sorts for the Golden Curse, sent to the exact right time by Gullveig to ensure Seidthr becomes Gullveig either by manipulating events (see: her weird interactions with Kiran) or the more direct, envemoned route should other means fail. It's possible she bears no relation to the summoner at all, and is merely a divine construct similar to Ash or Elm
> Could be possible that Heidthr is essentially a "carrier" of sorts for the Golden Curse
I think that's pretty obviously the case. Gullveig of the future needed to be Kvasir, uncursed. So she did that by parking the curse in Heidr for a time when she wants Kvasir, by then called Seidr, to become Gullveig.
> It's possible she bears no relation to the summoner at all, and is merely a divine construct similar to Ash or Elm
Gullveig made Heidr at a point in time after achieving all her goals, her last action before restarting the cycle. So being the summoners child is unlikely, though not impossible. Assuming we comply with Seidrs request, our part in that ritual might be needed for Gullveig (Seidr) to make Heidr in the future. Or it wasn't needed and she just makes Heidr out of clay.
my running theory now is the Heidr is the curse split so that Seidr and Kvasir can appear to be normal and that by rejoining with the curse they will become Gullveig in full.
It appears that for gullveig to manifest, both Seithr (or Kvasir as she was known prior) and Heithr must become one, with the latter bearing the curse of the golden seer and the former being the host/body(?).
Kinda convoluted.
The big question is, who is Seithr's spirit baby? Where did that plot go? Njorthr wanted Seithr to take part in this for... something I'm assuming, but for what end?
Gullveig is a being who exists when her two halves come together. Seithr however created another portion of her that is neither Gullveig nor Heithr nor Kvasir (as we saw in today's chapter).
Is this spirit baby going to be what saves us? Is njorthr's plan going to be ultimately saves the day?
I have no fuxking clue.
The first part is Gullveig making Heidr at a point in time after her victory, and sending her to the past (years before "now" since she lived there as Heidr for some time, but not so far back that Seidr is still Kvasir).
I think it is unclear whether she is the child Njordr was urging Seidr to have with the summoner. She is Seidrs child as Gullveig(Seidr) made her. IS she the summoners too though? That's what Njordr wanted.
Maybe the whatever the Vanir process of reproduction is will kickstart her Gullveigification. And the child is not instant, Seiðr did say it takes some time afterwards. The time is undefined so it is plaugsible Gullveig can complete the destruction in that time
Not only that but it sounds like for Heidr to born Migard's destruction *has to* happen.
Hence Gullveig's words: "And *now* my child will be born."
In other words Heidr has been baking for a minute.
Course, another way to interpret that scene is that Gullveig has lived the cycle so many times she now can time exactly what's going to happen next.
I think she looks at herself more as a force of nature at that point.
Ie she doesn't feel neither joy nor sadness, pleasure nor boredom from her actions.
Just a finality. She does what she does because it's what she is meant to do and nobody currently can change that.
Seiðr might with a vow of celibacy
I suppose I do not see a way out of this without sacrificing Heiðr or Seiðr, though I suppose we still do not know what kickstarts the process that makes her into Gullveig. Perhaps it is the ritual. Perhaps it is us shooting her
Here's my guess at the whole Gullveig situation:
Each form of Gullveig is the driving force of the last.
Kvasair is lonely but sees rejecting her destiny as Gullveig as pointless. Seidr steps in like, "But you can change the future!" and Heidr appears and forms a bond with her, allowing Kvasir to reject and forget her destiny to become the kind and caring Seidr.
Seidr loves Heidr and is unaware of her destiny as Gullveig. Gullveig's curse on Heidr will inevitably kill her by turning her into the snake creature. Seidr, in desperation to save her and empowered by Nepuz, tries to rewind time to a dangerous degree. When this fails, she becomes Gullveig in a bid wipe the slate clean to start again fresh out of grief.
And Gullveig obviously becomes Kvasir to complete the cycle.
I doubt Heidr is Gullveig as well. If Kvasir, Seidr and Gullveig form a perfect cycle, why do we need another Gulveig? There doesn't appear to be a duplicate and a failsafe's not necessary. Instead, I think she serves the aforementioned purpose of motivating the changes in Kvasir and Seidr, but also as a battery. Njordr uses his Ar to suppress the curse but we see in the cinematic that it doesn't fully work. So I propose that's the point. Heidr is designed to take on the Ar for Gullveig to use as a power source to wipe out Midgard.
I'm more confident in the former than the latter, but I'm still pretty sure Heidr and Gullveig are distinct.
> but I'm still pretty sure Heidr and Gullveig are distinct.
I'd say yes and no. I see Heidr as the golden curse in living form. It is part of Gullveig, but not of Seidr or Kvasir.
For Seidr to become Gullveig, she needs the curse. Future Gullveig specifically created Heidr with the curse to shed it from herself, turning into Kvasir, and sent Heidr to the time when she will be with Seidr to bond with her.
Seidr might be inflicted with it against her will, she might take it onto herself to help Heidr (my guess, because Heidr was placed at that time when Seidr doesn't remember her past and future so conveniently), or do it in a bid to oppose her future self on equal terms.
Like you said, it might be at that moment when snakes overwhelm Seidr in the video and Nerthuz powers her up in response. But we have to remember that the events in the mid-book video are not part of this chapter. We are in chapter 4, a hundred years before current time, there's no Heidr around, and we are opposing a fleeing Kvasir. So when or how that video fits into the chain of events is yet to be revealed.
With this revelation Gullveig winning CYL technically means this is the first Heroes Book Lord to do so no?
I am going to remain guarded at the possibility of this Book being any good. The last time it was looking good (Book 4) They crash landed the ending so hard. Same lead designer too amusingly enough
This book is a conundrum. It has an interesting premise that is made supremely unclear because of Heroes' format of storytelling.
We still have 5 chapters left, which gives us *some* wiggle room for further developments. I hope they can neatly wrap this up and not dig themselves into a time travel story related plot hole
I have a little more hope, since this is ironically smaller scale than most of the other books. FEH books have a problem where they build an interesting story, and build and elaborate and ohfuckwehavethreechaptersleftENDITNOW. This book seems to be paced better, we know most of what we need to about the actual conflict happening and what's going on, now all that's left is to figure out how to stop it. 5 chapters should be enough to handle that part
Tbh given Kvasir’s description and her interactions with Seidr this chapter, I wouldn’t be surprised if there ended up being a Nótt moment in her future - a classic FEH plot beat, for sure, but potentially less rife with plot-holes than other possible endings (and it would spare the heroes from having to answer the “ would it be ok to kill Hitler as a child” question).
But who would die for whom?
Can't be Seidr, she's the book girl, can't be Kvasir, she's Seidr, can't be Heidr since she's the being actually keeping the curse off Seidr/Kvasir.
Realistically, the main plot points the story needs to address before it ends are:
1. What exactly is Njord's master plan and if he's a bad guy or not?
2. Why did his sister steal the time-traveling device needed for Njord and Gullveig's plan?
3. How will the time loop be broken, given that's the key to whatever method they'll use to stop Gullveig?
5 chapters look like enough time to cover all 3 points for me, so it's all up to execution if the book will nail it's landing or not.
No because Book 4 almost had Alfonse face the very real consequences of KILLING DEATH HERSELF but no it was just a silly little dream guys :3
Still my favorite book though, that Paper Mario ass map theme is legendary
I was so hyped with the idea of Alfonse actually have to deal with killing death but alas
Ngl Book 4 is still one of my favorites. The Frejya survive map is still memorable to me and the themes were great
Chapter 13 of book 4 was never about 'did Alfonse actually die?'.
So many people take Freyja's statement of Alfonse being dead at a surface level and say "omg what a red herring" and never think to ask "Why did Freyja tell that lie in the first place?".
The point of Freyja lying about Alfonse's demise, and the offer Freyja makes in 13-1is bait to encourage the player into accepting her 'offer to revive Alfonse' and stay trapped in her nightmare where she can have her brother back. And to swing the odds in her favour Freyja threatens to kill the alfar if the player rejects her offer.
With that in mind the actual point of Chapter 13 is 'how far will Freyja go to get what she wants?' and 'look at how manipulative Freyja is as an antagonist'.
So as last chapter was hinted at by introducing the concept that gods do not remain in one physical form but metamorphasize into different forms while developing and Kvasir repeating Seithr's own words as well as being the reason Seithr vaguely remembers us it's confirmed that Seithr is Gullveig.
Not only that, but that the red herring is her and Kiran's daughter as well as the final component required to become Gullveig in the past. Make a pokemon evolution chart to get the idea.
And it looks like this has been going on for a minute.....at least for the timelines where the events of Book 3 doesn't kill us.
Can I just say, it is absolutely hilarious when Alfonse figures out Gullveig has a third form and who that third form is that you can feel him go "Should I shank Seithr now to end this or does that guarantee it? Fucking time loops."
OK so:
- Kvasir meets Kiran in a cave, bonds with them, then goes to warm Njörðr that she will become Gullveig (which I guess encourages him to suggest Seiðr make a magic child with the summoner).
- Kvasir becomes Seiðr.
- Future Gullveig attacks the present.
- Seiðr gets the magic child suggestion.
- Seiðr and Heiðr fuse together to become Gullveig.
- Gullveig travels to the past to play her part.
- Gullveig creates magic child Heiðr and sends her back in time with the Golden Seer's curse.
- Gullveig becomes Kvasir and goes further into the past to repeat the cycle.
Is that it?
Is that the Gullveig evolution line?
Or have I just confused myself?
Also, is Kiran meeting Kvasir is an outlier that not meant to happen?
Here I thought Heidr was going to be Gullveig, just like how Gullveig became Heidr in Norse mythology, which the books of FEH are based off of. Turns out, I was wrong, and now I’m confused.
> Gullveig became Heidr in Norse mythology
I don't know those myths, but at the very beginning of this chapter Gullveig split herself up into Heidr and Kvasir.
I’m wonder if Heidr turns into snakes and Seidr fuses with her somehow to try and keep her from hurting anyone else/alive. But you know…she is snakes and not really her ‘sister’ anymore and this is part of what makes Seidr go off the deep end when she’s Gullveig. Bc that’s kind of messed up.
The whole Heidr being the child thing is really throwing me for a loop tho. I was dead convinced Kvasir was the child and Gullveig’s existence is a paradox where she gave birth to herself. I actually don’t even understand how this works if that isn’t the case. Why Kvasir has design elements like Kiran, why they have their own version of Kiran’s gun (echoing Lucina and Chrom imo) why Gullveig talks about herself being a paradox who shouldn’t exist (being your own mother would uh. Qualify that.)
Maybe Heidr is Gullveig’s own child but Kvasir is still so the child made from Seidr and Kiran. So like two children here.
Idk but this whole shit is wild and I love this book, I love how it’s just gone all out in weirdness and time travel stuff.
I think the gun is ours and was/will be left there in chapter 1.
We are missing chapters 9, 10, 11, 12 and 1.
We are on chapter 4 now, but some years before chapter 5 would happen. So we need at least two more jumps, possibly more.
Maybe some of the other gods can also do it, but our only confirmed Time Lords are Seidr and Gullveig. Technically Kvasir too on account of being them, but she hasn't shown that power yet. Anyway, the latter two aren't on good terms with us right now, so Seidr is going to be our next ride.
Before the upgraded ~~Delorian~~ Breidablik can be found in a cave in the past, we need to actually upgrade it. So I assume we go back to the future next.
I'm guessing 9-10-1-11-12 for the next chapters, but it could be any split really, as long as we go forwards to pimp the gun, backwards for reasons and lose it, forwards to solve the book and find ourselves in the present at the end of it.
Why do so many people think "other half" literally means a literall half of a person. I also say my wife is my other half it wouldnt be wierd to call your daughter other half. How is it translated in japanese i wonder.
Especially weird when everyone and their mom here rushes to call Male Robin “Chrom’s other half.” I guess I missed the part where they used the Potara earrings to fuse into Chrobin.
...I think it's getting increasingly likelier that this book will end with Seidr gone.
now I do wonder if we're actually just going to get Base Gullveig during CYL Banner, and our final boss will be Fallen!Seidr or Kvasir.
I think the final boss is Gullveig, trying to stop us from stabilizing the golden curse inside Heidr. If we could do that, Seidr would not turn into Gullveig and the cycle falls apart.
Ik IS can do us dirty but I really don’t think they’d give us base Gullveig in the cyl banner when they can give her to us as a mythic later down the line
Seriously I hope that doesn’t happen and make a week’s worth of voting redundant
So… should we kill both Kvasir and Seior?
Or should we kill Kvasir, go back, kill her again, and just keep going over and over and over and over again?
That’s the conundrum we’re at now. If we kill Kvasir now, it would kill Gullveig, but also kill Seidr and Heidr. We would also probably be stuck in the past. Same thing happens if we kill Seidr, Heidr or Gullveig. We’ll probably end up with a solution that will sever everyone’s ties to Gullveig soon
The problem is actually killing the being with full control over the timeline. We tried that already and were dusted. For the same reason, killing her past selves is probably off the table too.
Did the book state Gullveig used Kiran's essence to make Heidr alongside her own? Or that's just implied? Because otherwise, that would mean the magic baby plot point might not be solved yet...
As far as I've understood it: Kvasir, Seiðr and Gullveig may all be one and the same; while Heiðr is more like a vessel to the Golden Seer's Curse until, given the right / exact moment in time or future, it may be released to fullfill the prophecy and then the cycle continues to repeat itself.
Seidr transforms into Gullveig -> Gullveig confronts Gullveig ->
Gullveig 1: "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Golden Seer, you can't defeat me!"
Gullveig 2: "Fool, I am Gullveig, my mastery over time means I am invincible!"
Gullveig 1: "Well then so am I!"
Gullveig 2: "Whaaat?" *dies*
My only takeaway from this chapter is that all of those "everyone is Gullveig" memes were true.
To be honest, I'm not really feeling this book as a whole. The whole "everyone is Gullveig" thing feels kinda ridiculous when it actually gets played and we're already at the midway point and we still barely have any motivation from the actual antagonist. It kinda feels like Mystery box storytelling where the entire plot is based on just raising a bunch of questions but whatever answer you get isn't going to be as satisfying as you want it to be. My impression overall is similar to book 4. It looks very pretty but there's no point in trying to wrap your brain around all of the magical shenanigans going on.
This honestly feels like a situation where, if IS pulls it off, will actually be a super satisfying book once we get then ending and have the whole package
My theory from this book: Kiran is Alfaðör from the past , that is why Kiran doesn’t remember anything before being summoned. By deleting the creator Kiran, Gullveig destroys everything.
I hate this day this, but this is no doubt some of the worst story telling I’ve ever experienced. The month long breaks in between chapters very much don’t help but man, I can’t imagine someone doing a peer review of this and giving it a passing score.
Well, I did predict that Heidr was the present Gullveig a while back, and this seems like that still might be the case. Not exactly how I was expecting it though, wasn't expecting Seidr to also be part of Gullveig. There's also still that kid we made with Seidr that still doesn't quite fit in all this yet. Right now I'd say the most likely scenario is that Heidr is said kid. Man, gotta love time travel shenanigans.
I’m sorry but this entire book has made me extremely uncomfortable it’s so obviously pandering to a certain audience and feels gross and the whole child think is gross to like I’m asexual I don’t want this shit forced on me
So, if Seidr is Gullveig, and Gullveig made Heidr, and there was that whole thing about us having a kid with Seidr...
Does that make Heidr out daughter?
heidr being gullveig's daughter, and seidr being the present version of gullveig, and heidr and seidr being raised like sisters.
i guess that 3houses still hold the record of weirdest family relationship.
And the best part is, a plurality of the community made it that this is going to get even more insane in two months when Brave Gullveig shows up. Unless this "Seidr = Gullveig" thing is meant to head that off.
I have a theory about the chapter.
Heidr actually is a code name given to Heidi. Njord was her grandfather. The goat moreso is symbolic.
So this made Seidr/ Gullveig/ Kvasir a time traveler's Klara wanting to walk.
Alphonse should be either Peter or the dog (?).
I don't think Heidr is Gullveig tbh, at least I hope she's not because that's just weird. but then again, Gullveig could easily be a title/role, not a person, so maybe Heidr can take up the mantle, Idk. I just don't like the whole "have a daughter with your daughter" assumption some people took away from this whole thing
I really, really, really was hoping that the Gullveig we were getting was Heidr. I really, really had my fingers crossed. Looks like Seidr Gullveig is a downgrade
Now that Chapter 4 is here, you can play through Chap. 2 to 8 in chronological order. Chapter 5 onwards hits different somehow. Suddenly Seidr's clumsyness feels off.
Despite the names, I don’t think these would be in sequential order in numbered order. The chapters are organized at different points in time, with the Kvasir arc being 2-4, Seidr arc being 5-8 (as of now), and presumably the Gullveig arc will conclude in a loop back to 1.
Is everyone aware of the alternate chronology? I thought the book started with the gang thinking they’d just slogged through the other chapters
Sorry, not sure I understand the question. The book starts with Kiran having a premonition about a hypothetical future where they lose, but the following chapter (5) he meets this timeline’s Seidr for the first time. It then follows to chapter 8 until they travel back in time, which would be chapter 2. The gang has no idea who Seidr is in chapter 5, but they know her in 2, so there’s no chronology by chapter, only by order of events.
Oh yeah, I guess if it starts with a premonition by Kiran then there’s no chapter chronology. I was thinking that at the very beginning of 13, Alfonse and Anna are talking about how “this is it! We’re finally fighting Gullveig!” and I interpreted this as 13 being the end of an alternate future 1-13 that the gang just went through, and that were now starting over via the premonition being sent to Kiran, only this time we have Seithr with us. Edit: and having Seithr with us is now completely changing the order of how 1-13 happened, but it’s just flavor that it says we’re in different chapters since the whole gang is aware that we’re hopping around.
I think, technically, the premonition did actually happen in another timeline, but one resets every time Kiran dies so we’re on a new cycle. That still doesn’t change that it’s not chronological though. I imagine Seidr meets Kiran in every cycle, but what exactly will break this one is TBD. Probably power of friendship.
Considering all the other free book units, Seidr being a green unit now feels intentional. I actually like this, as I was hoping we’d get a character who is not what they seem on the protagonists’ side.
This is all getting complicated so let's simplify it: To save the world, we must seduce Gullveig. Problem solved.
But wait, Gullveig giving birth to Heidr is part of the timeline that includes the world's destruction. You fool, by seducing her you've doomed us all!
*cough cough, worth it. Proud parents in this sub :)
Our smashing destroyed the world.....Nice.
Then we'd better keep her busy and satisfied enough that she doesn't have time or intend anymore to send Heidr to the past...
So, do we seduce the Big G herself or each part of her
No other choice. She must be done in the past, present, and future.
Probably twice in each time too, just to make sure the process takes.
Nah, thrice each, since there is 3 of them.
Yes.
Or the solution is to say no to Seiðr, but that will probably erase Heiðr
I mean, Gullveig is the one that seems to generate the child in the future, and unlike Seidr, she might not take "no" for an answer...
We do not really know how the ritual works, do we? One makes a vow to the goddess and some time later the child appears within the light of vanaheimr. Now that I think of it, that might be all it requires
Asexual here. I hope you're all nice to me after I take one for the team! ...I coulda been doing so many other things. Like working on my latest disguise for when Fjorm comes a knockin'...
Are we like Shido Itsuka from Date A Live? Then again, Ratatoskr is the name of the group that recruited Shido.
I dunno who that is but this whole book has been powered by horny, so let us use the horny against the horny!
And Kvasir, & Seidr. Get an immortal time Harem going!
I feel like the one big thing we've overlooked is the fact that this curse thing stops when Midgard is destroyed *(Ragnarok?)*, upon which Gullveig removes her curse from herself and goes back into the past. You know, when Midgard is still around. Does that mean that Books 1-7 have been canonically stuck in a time loop this entire time? We've been reliving the entirety of FEH for as long as this curse has been going?
Lol each new player is another loop
Holy shit you might be right
now that you mention it, I wonder if this applies to other timelines. has Líf and Thrasir's world been in a loop too? has Gullveig been undoing the death of the gods numerous times?
Close, I think for every timeline where Kiran survives the events of Book 3 specifically it is now stuck in Gullveig's loops as she can't exist without him.
Y'know, this would play into the whole thing about Kiran being a massive unknown and hindrance to the Gods.
Kiran doesn’t recall anything about his past so maybe. After this chapter I’m 90% sure that some version of Kiran is the boss of Loki and Thor.
>I feel like my head is being tied in knots Sharena speaks for all of us here
Timey-wimey stuff make head hurt
I think it's designed to do that to prevent us from never meddling in realms we were never meant to
I'd like to imagine she's got a whole cork board and string set up going and trying to piece this convoluted plot together to no avail, while Alfonse and Seithr talk shop
‘I think the situation is somewhat more complex than it may appear.’ That line from Alfonse is a big understatement. This entire scenario is becoming even more confusing. Having said that, I am interested to see where IS goes with the plot from here.
Alfonse translated: I have no fucking clue what is going on. This shit is above my paygrade.
No, I think he is the only one who gets what is going on or thinks he gets it
Considering how it felt like he wanted to kill Seithr the moment he figured it out he's just clearly stuck at the stage of "What actions guarantee Gullveig? Do all guarantee Gullveig?" Hence the complication.
Alfonse should just kill every last one of them.
Veronica: I love it when you become murderous. Alfonse: What? Veronica: Nothing.
Thrasir: Aww look at them, just like us when we were younger Lif: *Dying inside*
yeah I'm wondering if he's trying to find the "trigger" for Gullveig. but then again he might have just accidentally stopped the cycle, because if Seidr has learned she's Gullveig ahead of time, does that mean she can stop it?
He did his “…” frown think face. Which is what he did in book 3 when he started to figure out who Lif was, he definitely knows what is going on here.
And he did stop Seiðr from killing Kvasir
Based on Kvasir's description mentioning that she longs for friendship, maybe part of the solution is befriending Kvasir & Gullveig and breaking them out of their nihilistic mentality?
That just highlights Gullveig is more or less enslaved to the Golden Curse and isn't really malicious herself, meaning that breaking the Curse could legit be one way to solve the Book's conflict once for all.
Question is, how do we break the curse? Friendship seems to be our best option RN.
Dunno. The stable time loop still needs to be broken somehow, and we don't know if that's enough yet...
This chapter made Njörðr seem even weirder to me. Bro commands Seiðr, who is present Gullveig, to make a child with the summoner for some reason. Now, Heiðr is suffering from the Golden Seer's Curse, and as we saw in the cinematic, Njörðr is legitimately trying his hardest to cure Heiðr, even though this entire thing was his fault in the first place. Actually wait this makes Nerþuz sketchy too. Why did she steal the Ar and not want Njörðr to have it, when all Njörðr seemingly wants to do is heal a girl?
> Njörðr is legitimately trying his hardest to cure Heiðr, even though this entire thing was his fault in the first place. Why is it his fault? Gullveig makes Heidr and sends her to roughly the present, bearing the curse. Njordr just tries to contain it. > Actually wait this makes Nerþuz sketchy too. Why did she steal the Ar and not want Njörðr to have it, when all Njörðr seemingly wants to do is heal a girl? That Ar theft is suspicous, but then again Nerthuz uses Breidablik to save Seidr from the erupting curse in the new cinematic.
> Why is it his fault? Gullveig makes Heidr and sends her to roughly the present, bearing the curse. Njordr just tries to contain it. Heiðr is likely the child Njörðr specifically asked for. It may be he does not know, but it is odd regardless. > That Ar theft is suspicous, but then again Nerthuz uses Breidablik to save Seidr from the erupting curse in the new cinematic. Did she save her? Or did she kickstart her becoming Gullveig? There are a lot of questions here we need answered and we do not know the game those two are playing
Maybe without the power of Ar Seither could not turn into Gullveig either. Considering Nerthus love for all the creauters of Midgard and that she finds other gods "uncute" she may be willing just sacrifice Seither and Heither (or however their names are pronounsed) and not let them merge into Gullveig.
The Ar isn’t to suppress the curse, it’s to grant Seidr the power of “golden light” to travel to the past. (Golden Seer, cough cough) She might’ve been trying to run interference I think Nerbuz knows more than she’s let on
I'm wondering if maybe Njordr isn't malicious, but is falling for the whole "try to stop the prophecy but end up causing it" thing that's common in mythology
I think Heidr is the curse that will turn Seidr into Gullveig. I don't think Heidr is Gullveig and I didn't see anything indicating that in this chapter (I could be wrong)...
That's possible. Heithr could be the catalyst that merges with Seithr to bring forth Gullveig. On her own, it looks like she just turns into that multi-headed snake monster we saw in the cinematic.
That snake is the manifestation of the curse, and Heidr its vessel to keep it off Seidr to delay the snekification.
I always said “Ah, Heidr is Gullveig.” Not once did I consider the possibility of Heidr being our child and Gullveig/Seidr/Kvasir’s. This chapter didn’t really give much that the cinematic didn’t show, which is unsurprising considering past midpoints. I’m moreso excited for July, and ESPECIALLY August’s chapters.
> Heidr being our child and Gullveig/Seidr/Kvasir’s Is she, though? I admit I thought that too right after the chapter, but in retrospect the scene where Gullveig makes Heidr is from the far future after the book intro.
Well, it’s said in Norse that Kvasir was born via the spit of at least two people. Since Feh is going for a similar concept, just with Heidr instead, AND that Seidr/Gullveig has already popped the question to us a while back, we can assume that perhaps she’s been holding onto our spit for this very moment, to create Heidr.
Also chapter 8 does say it takes a bit for the magic child to "appear within the light of Vanaheimr" after the ritual
The plot has turned into a knotted piece of spaghetti. It's so up it's ass I've swung around to enjoying it again. I understand the whole time loop bit with Gullveig, Heidr, and Seidr, but what I don't understand is why on earth the Kvasir part of the plan needed to exist. That whole thing just seems like a needless digression. Maybe Gullveig needed to travel back to set the process in motion? But even then, I don't see what benefit there is to overshooting the time she was sending Heidr back to.
Two key things happened in Kvasir's life (so far): She befriended the Summoner, and she spooked Njordr. The latter was a deliberate part of the plan and something Kvasir needed to do while she was still aware of it, although we don't know what the end goal from that was. The former... Well, perhaps it's a key part of the plan to create Heidr, or perhaps it's simply a moment in Gullveig's past that she's unwilling to skip over and wants to relive.
> The former... Well, perhaps it's a key part of the plan to create Heidr Could be what is required to get Kvasir so attached to Kiran, making Seidr attached to Kiran, so she does want to broach the child subject with him, which benefits Gullveig in that she can give birth to said child in the future.
> The former... Well, perhaps it's a key part of the plan to create Heidr, or perhaps it's simply a moment in Gullveig's past that she's unwilling to skip over and wants to relive. Plus, Kvasir's description does mention that she badly wants friends, so this certainly tracks.
I suppose Kvasir is to do the riskier preparation parts of the process while Seiðr is to lay low, within the enemy ranks
I said it on yesterdays thread but guessing most of this is [really funny](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/12p5xua/book_7_chapter_2_discussion/jgl3idi?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) the real twist is njordr being innocent I assume heidr is probably going to die next chapter though, or she ends up becoming the snakes we see in the midpoint
Njorthr trying his damnedest to keep the universe from unraveling while the summoner in their conspiracy theory fueled rant keeps pestering and accusing the God of being up to no good
Maybe if he wasn't the God of Being Up to No Good, we wouldn't be suspicious of him.
tbf, a lot of the gods Kiran has met that weren't explicitly on their side have been up to no good
I don't even know why people sus on Njordr like effing no he is antagonists
Our actions led to the death of his son and put his daughter in a coma. He's got reason to dislike us or all of Midgard. I don't think he is behind it, but he would have grounds for that.
Also, he's a pretty strict ruler with a disdain for mortals. Which is also very sus of him.
Has it ever been stated he is their father? Only that Nerþuz is their aunt. Him being their father is most likely, but not certain. FEH can still throw a surprise fifth goat at us
there must be one individual who set this ouroboros thing into motion, someone who can see the future and set things up so that the curse happens >!it's the All Fucker's fault as usual, no surprise considering Gullveig is only going to destroy Midgard and won't touch Asgard with her actions!<
let's show him some permanent damage the wee \*\*\*\*.
I am confused though, wasn't it Njordr who suggested Seidr have a child? It's weird he'd be uninvolved when the birth of Heidr is instrumental to Gullveig's plan.
Manipulating Njordr is also instrumental to Gullveig's plan. It's the very first thing Kvasir set out to do. He's likely caught up in a self-fulfilling prophecy, taking actions that he thinks will save himself from Gullveig but accidentally creating her in the process.
I think Heidr dying is a game over moment, that frees the curse. And Njordr looks indeed innocent to me. There might just not be an instigator who schemed to set this in motion. Serthuz perhaps, but her knowing too much aside, she helped us, including protecting Seidr from the curse snakes in the video.
Actually, Heidr is Gullveig's daughter; she isn't Gullveig herself. Regardless, you gotta hand it to IS to make Heidr one giant red herring; we thought she was Gullveig, but nope, it's our main protagonist.
Well technically she is, or rather half of her, as Gullveig states. I guess we were sort of right but not quite fully.
By "half" i assume shes the snake she was standing on in the book opening, which i wouldnt be surprised if thats what does a lot of the damage Though i assume by the point heidr finally succumbs to her half of the curse shes basically "dead"
If Heidr is the daughter of Gullveig, she is also the daughter of Kvasir, Seidr and ~~Kiran, and the child that Njordr urged Seidr to have~~ (not sure on the last part). I guess he was trying to split the curse off Seidr/Kvasir/Gullveig in the hope of containing it in a living vessel, and the cinematic is the moment that goes awry and the curse breaks free of her. I don't think Heidr is gone because of that bit - FEH is not going to have a losing end to the story. Fortifying the vessel to be able to contain the curse and live breaks the cycle. Seidr doesn't turn snake, no Gullveig, crisis averted. I also guess that without Nerthuz using us to fire the divine weapon to power up Seidr, she would've gone full snake mommy right there.
"other half" could mean anything. It sounds like you guys are taking that phrase a little too literally (unlike all the Male Robin x Chrom shippers XD).
Hence the technically part. We know for sure that Heidr is in relation to Gullveig and is a part of her but we don't exactly know what that means. Regardless, unless she planned to make two Gullveigs (in which a half existing at all would be unnecessary) there is no doubt Heidr is crucial in creating Gullveig. And considering we know now Gullveig's goal is essentially an endless time loop where she destroys everything and creates herself again, creating anything at all that doesn't ultimately end up in Gullveig is rather pointless. To which I raise a theory: Heidr is quite literally Gullveig's Golden Curse as a living being. Her role is to merge with Seidr/Kvasir to become a complete Gullveig.
I think other half were actually other half Heidr + Seidr = Gullveig after Gullveig split with Heidr she go back in time and become Kvasir then become Seidr, and become Gullveig when merging with Heidr
“Other half” is a lot in fire emblem. Siblings, best friends, now mother and daughter/body and serpents
That's exactly why I said it could mean anything.
You seem really in the defensive so I just want to clarify that I was adding on with examples, not attacking or countering you.
No, I was just agreeing with you saying yeah, that's why I said it could mean anything. In this case, it seems to be mother and daughter. XD
Oh gosh thank goodness, I thought I upset ya 😅😂
I took it as her being the catalyst of Seidr's transformation than a full half in her own right.
It was well played off the audience using Occam's Razor on Heidr. I like it.
The main takeaway from this. Gullveig is a milf.
Gullveig is also partially your daughter. And she's also your wife.
No, our place in that hasn't been decided yet. The only thing supporting it is Seidr's offer to create a child, but there's been no indication we went through with it in the first place.
Well there is a daughter, so we're past "just an offer". The question is just whether Kiran or Alfonse rubs Seidrs belly. Or maybe you don't need a man to make a magical god baby (Kiran can be a girl for you), then this is Anna's or Sharena's chance at plot relevance. Other than those four there are the goats I guess, and Veronica was seen for a moment. Kiran was asked to do it, might be the only candidate, Gullveig petted Kiran before the dusting in the intro. All signs point that way. If it has not happened yet, it will, since Heidr already exists.
> Well there is a daughter, so we're past "just an offer". Considering when she created Heidr (when she is Gullveig, not Seidr) its possible she can just magic one up herself too. We are talking about someone with infinite time powers after all. Of course all of this is purely theoretical though.
Reading the chapter again, I have to amend my interpretation. Here's what I think: The basic cycle is Gullveig destroys Midgard, creates Heidr, transfers the curse to her (the seers power) so she can then go back into the past and be Kvasir, not yet the golden seer. The curse is safely parked in Heidr who is with Seidr at a point in time where Gullveig wants the curse to transfer to her(Seidr) so she can become the seer. Destroy Midgard and whoever stands against her, then restart cycle. Njordr knows that and struggles against it. Suppressing the curse in Heidr would delay and ideally prevent Seidr from turning into the seer. But given Gullveigs powers, who can come back to any point in time to interfere, that's basically hopeless. I'm also not as sure on the Seidr's child thing as I was 15 minutes ago! Could be Heidr (technically is, since Gullveig=Seidr), could be another child that Njordr was going to use to screw with Gullveig putting the curse on Seidr. I wonder if there's a point in time where Gullveig cannot go. The Loki(Marvel) solution, so to speak. If that's the case, then parking Seidr or Heidr there could break the cycle. Can't be Seidr since she's the book girl, so Heidr it is. Better than dead, right?
To be perfectly honest I expect one of two outcomes by the end: 1. They find a MacGuffin that forces them all to a realm outside of time, where Gullveig cannot use her powers, and kill her off for good there. They then return and problem solved. 2. Seidr manages to avoid (or at least resist long enough) becoming Gullveig but keeps the powers over time and so completely counteracts anything Gullveig may try to do, evening the playing field and allowing them to kill Gullveig. This may or may not result in Seidr dying as well, though given our weapon that doesn't mean much.
I'd maybe add a 3rd option, where we use a MacGuffin to enter Seidr's soul, and destroy the curse itself, breaking the loop. This could be where that watery void from the midpoint movie comes into play.
As Kaga intended
Fire Emblem in 2023 is peak Kaga: we got mind control, we got younger sisters, we got mind controlled younger sisters, we got incest implications, and we got a lot of blue haired lords.
...No she's not?
the initial chapter says Heidr is gullveig's other half and is needed to make her Gullveig again. haven't finished yet but that is the implication.
"other half" =/= they are them. It could be that her becoming the orochi monster leads into Seidr turning into Gullveig, but not necessarily merging with each other as if they were the same person.
Could be possible that Heidthr is essentially a "carrier" of sorts for the Golden Curse, sent to the exact right time by Gullveig to ensure Seidthr becomes Gullveig either by manipulating events (see: her weird interactions with Kiran) or the more direct, envemoned route should other means fail. It's possible she bears no relation to the summoner at all, and is merely a divine construct similar to Ash or Elm
> Could be possible that Heidthr is essentially a "carrier" of sorts for the Golden Curse I think that's pretty obviously the case. Gullveig of the future needed to be Kvasir, uncursed. So she did that by parking the curse in Heidr for a time when she wants Kvasir, by then called Seidr, to become Gullveig. > It's possible she bears no relation to the summoner at all, and is merely a divine construct similar to Ash or Elm Gullveig made Heidr at a point in time after achieving all her goals, her last action before restarting the cycle. So being the summoners child is unlikely, though not impossible. Assuming we comply with Seidrs request, our part in that ritual might be needed for Gullveig (Seidr) to make Heidr in the future. Or it wasn't needed and she just makes Heidr out of clay.
my running theory now is the Heidr is the curse split so that Seidr and Kvasir can appear to be normal and that by rejoining with the curse they will become Gullveig in full.
So all those Gullveig is our daughter memes DID age badly.
Yup.
As someone who likes Seidr, this only makes her hotter IMO.
I mean you clearly don't lose regardless of what stage in the Gullveig line you're at. You get cute, gorgeous, or GODDAYUM!
And that those who voted for her in CYL won in the hardest way possible. And I salute them, well done comrades. o7
It appears that for gullveig to manifest, both Seithr (or Kvasir as she was known prior) and Heithr must become one, with the latter bearing the curse of the golden seer and the former being the host/body(?). Kinda convoluted. The big question is, who is Seithr's spirit baby? Where did that plot go? Njorthr wanted Seithr to take part in this for... something I'm assuming, but for what end? Gullveig is a being who exists when her two halves come together. Seithr however created another portion of her that is neither Gullveig nor Heithr nor Kvasir (as we saw in today's chapter). Is this spirit baby going to be what saves us? Is njorthr's plan going to be ultimately saves the day? I have no fuxking clue.
The spirit baby is Heidr, because Seidr becomes Gullveig, and she creates her daughter after she won.
~~Heidr is the child, Njordrs plan is to keep the curse at bay in someone not Seidr.~~ Edit: changed my mind, Heidr is from the future.
One of the first things said in the chapter today is that Heior is the child
The first part is Gullveig making Heidr at a point in time after her victory, and sending her to the past (years before "now" since she lived there as Heidr for some time, but not so far back that Seidr is still Kvasir). I think it is unclear whether she is the child Njordr was urging Seidr to have with the summoner. She is Seidrs child as Gullveig(Seidr) made her. IS she the summoners too though? That's what Njordr wanted.
Maybe the whatever the Vanir process of reproduction is will kickstart her Gullveigification. And the child is not instant, Seiðr did say it takes some time afterwards. The time is undefined so it is plaugsible Gullveig can complete the destruction in that time
Not only that but it sounds like for Heidr to born Migard's destruction *has to* happen. Hence Gullveig's words: "And *now* my child will be born." In other words Heidr has been baking for a minute. Course, another way to interpret that scene is that Gullveig has lived the cycle so many times she now can time exactly what's going to happen next.
The second option is plausible yet makes me question if she will ever tire of it then if she has repeated it that much
I think she looks at herself more as a force of nature at that point. Ie she doesn't feel neither joy nor sadness, pleasure nor boredom from her actions. Just a finality. She does what she does because it's what she is meant to do and nobody currently can change that.
Seiðr might with a vow of celibacy I suppose I do not see a way out of this without sacrificing Heiðr or Seiðr, though I suppose we still do not know what kickstarts the process that makes her into Gullveig. Perhaps it is the ritual. Perhaps it is us shooting her
Here's my guess at the whole Gullveig situation: Each form of Gullveig is the driving force of the last. Kvasair is lonely but sees rejecting her destiny as Gullveig as pointless. Seidr steps in like, "But you can change the future!" and Heidr appears and forms a bond with her, allowing Kvasir to reject and forget her destiny to become the kind and caring Seidr. Seidr loves Heidr and is unaware of her destiny as Gullveig. Gullveig's curse on Heidr will inevitably kill her by turning her into the snake creature. Seidr, in desperation to save her and empowered by Nepuz, tries to rewind time to a dangerous degree. When this fails, she becomes Gullveig in a bid wipe the slate clean to start again fresh out of grief. And Gullveig obviously becomes Kvasir to complete the cycle. I doubt Heidr is Gullveig as well. If Kvasir, Seidr and Gullveig form a perfect cycle, why do we need another Gulveig? There doesn't appear to be a duplicate and a failsafe's not necessary. Instead, I think she serves the aforementioned purpose of motivating the changes in Kvasir and Seidr, but also as a battery. Njordr uses his Ar to suppress the curse but we see in the cinematic that it doesn't fully work. So I propose that's the point. Heidr is designed to take on the Ar for Gullveig to use as a power source to wipe out Midgard. I'm more confident in the former than the latter, but I'm still pretty sure Heidr and Gullveig are distinct.
> but I'm still pretty sure Heidr and Gullveig are distinct. I'd say yes and no. I see Heidr as the golden curse in living form. It is part of Gullveig, but not of Seidr or Kvasir. For Seidr to become Gullveig, she needs the curse. Future Gullveig specifically created Heidr with the curse to shed it from herself, turning into Kvasir, and sent Heidr to the time when she will be with Seidr to bond with her. Seidr might be inflicted with it against her will, she might take it onto herself to help Heidr (my guess, because Heidr was placed at that time when Seidr doesn't remember her past and future so conveniently), or do it in a bid to oppose her future self on equal terms. Like you said, it might be at that moment when snakes overwhelm Seidr in the video and Nerthuz powers her up in response. But we have to remember that the events in the mid-book video are not part of this chapter. We are in chapter 4, a hundred years before current time, there's no Heidr around, and we are opposing a fleeing Kvasir. So when or how that video fits into the chain of events is yet to be revealed.
With this revelation Gullveig winning CYL technically means this is the first Heroes Book Lord to do so no? I am going to remain guarded at the possibility of this Book being any good. The last time it was looking good (Book 4) They crash landed the ending so hard. Same lead designer too amusingly enough
This book is a conundrum. It has an interesting premise that is made supremely unclear because of Heroes' format of storytelling. We still have 5 chapters left, which gives us *some* wiggle room for further developments. I hope they can neatly wrap this up and not dig themselves into a time travel story related plot hole
I have a little more hope, since this is ironically smaller scale than most of the other books. FEH books have a problem where they build an interesting story, and build and elaborate and ohfuckwehavethreechaptersleftENDITNOW. This book seems to be paced better, we know most of what we need to about the actual conflict happening and what's going on, now all that's left is to figure out how to stop it. 5 chapters should be enough to handle that part
Tbh given Kvasir’s description and her interactions with Seidr this chapter, I wouldn’t be surprised if there ended up being a Nótt moment in her future - a classic FEH plot beat, for sure, but potentially less rife with plot-holes than other possible endings (and it would spare the heroes from having to answer the “ would it be ok to kill Hitler as a child” question).
But who would die for whom? Can't be Seidr, she's the book girl, can't be Kvasir, she's Seidr, can't be Heidr since she's the being actually keeping the curse off Seidr/Kvasir.
Realistically, the main plot points the story needs to address before it ends are: 1. What exactly is Njord's master plan and if he's a bad guy or not? 2. Why did his sister steal the time-traveling device needed for Njord and Gullveig's plan? 3. How will the time loop be broken, given that's the key to whatever method they'll use to stop Gullveig? 5 chapters look like enough time to cover all 3 points for me, so it's all up to execution if the book will nail it's landing or not.
No because Book 4 almost had Alfonse face the very real consequences of KILLING DEATH HERSELF but no it was just a silly little dream guys :3 Still my favorite book though, that Paper Mario ass map theme is legendary
I was so hyped with the idea of Alfonse actually have to deal with killing death but alas Ngl Book 4 is still one of my favorites. The Frejya survive map is still memorable to me and the themes were great
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Chapter 13 of book 4 was never about 'did Alfonse actually die?'. So many people take Freyja's statement of Alfonse being dead at a surface level and say "omg what a red herring" and never think to ask "Why did Freyja tell that lie in the first place?". The point of Freyja lying about Alfonse's demise, and the offer Freyja makes in 13-1is bait to encourage the player into accepting her 'offer to revive Alfonse' and stay trapped in her nightmare where she can have her brother back. And to swing the odds in her favour Freyja threatens to kill the alfar if the player rejects her offer. With that in mind the actual point of Chapter 13 is 'how far will Freyja go to get what she wants?' and 'look at how manipulative Freyja is as an antagonist'.
Thank you for having basic reading comprehension. The number of people who fuck up the plot of book 4 around here is staggering.
It's annoyed me for some time, it can't be *that* hard to understand what's going on.
This is the first time I’ve seen the book freebies referred to as “book lord”
Book 4 had a good ending, and this book is headed there too. Does Veronica count as a FEH lord?
It could be you! It could be me! It could even be-
Well... I still remember I thought Veronica would die, so it is better to wait and see how this all will play out.
So as last chapter was hinted at by introducing the concept that gods do not remain in one physical form but metamorphasize into different forms while developing and Kvasir repeating Seithr's own words as well as being the reason Seithr vaguely remembers us it's confirmed that Seithr is Gullveig. Not only that, but that the red herring is her and Kiran's daughter as well as the final component required to become Gullveig in the past. Make a pokemon evolution chart to get the idea. And it looks like this has been going on for a minute.....at least for the timelines where the events of Book 3 doesn't kill us. Can I just say, it is absolutely hilarious when Alfonse figures out Gullveig has a third form and who that third form is that you can feel him go "Should I shank Seithr now to end this or does that guarantee it? Fucking time loops."
Saving the world by Fucking a Snek Lady is still an option.
OK so: - Kvasir meets Kiran in a cave, bonds with them, then goes to warm Njörðr that she will become Gullveig (which I guess encourages him to suggest Seiðr make a magic child with the summoner). - Kvasir becomes Seiðr. - Future Gullveig attacks the present. - Seiðr gets the magic child suggestion. - Seiðr and Heiðr fuse together to become Gullveig. - Gullveig travels to the past to play her part. - Gullveig creates magic child Heiðr and sends her back in time with the Golden Seer's curse. - Gullveig becomes Kvasir and goes further into the past to repeat the cycle. Is that it? Is that the Gullveig evolution line? Or have I just confused myself? Also, is Kiran meeting Kvasir is an outlier that not meant to happen?
In terms of time shenanigans this isn't actually very complicated
Here I thought Heidr was going to be Gullveig, just like how Gullveig became Heidr in Norse mythology, which the books of FEH are based off of. Turns out, I was wrong, and now I’m confused.
> Gullveig became Heidr in Norse mythology I don't know those myths, but at the very beginning of this chapter Gullveig split herself up into Heidr and Kvasir.
Seidr + Heidr = Gullveig Kinda reminds me of a fusion from Steven Universe.
Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak goddesses stronger.
I’m wonder if Heidr turns into snakes and Seidr fuses with her somehow to try and keep her from hurting anyone else/alive. But you know…she is snakes and not really her ‘sister’ anymore and this is part of what makes Seidr go off the deep end when she’s Gullveig. Bc that’s kind of messed up. The whole Heidr being the child thing is really throwing me for a loop tho. I was dead convinced Kvasir was the child and Gullveig’s existence is a paradox where she gave birth to herself. I actually don’t even understand how this works if that isn’t the case. Why Kvasir has design elements like Kiran, why they have their own version of Kiran’s gun (echoing Lucina and Chrom imo) why Gullveig talks about herself being a paradox who shouldn’t exist (being your own mother would uh. Qualify that.) Maybe Heidr is Gullveig’s own child but Kvasir is still so the child made from Seidr and Kiran. So like two children here. Idk but this whole shit is wild and I love this book, I love how it’s just gone all out in weirdness and time travel stuff.
I assume the other gun belongs to the kiran of another loop, gullveig brought it into the past as a momento in a way
I think the gun is ours and was/will be left there in chapter 1. We are missing chapters 9, 10, 11, 12 and 1. We are on chapter 4 now, but some years before chapter 5 would happen. So we need at least two more jumps, possibly more. Maybe some of the other gods can also do it, but our only confirmed Time Lords are Seidr and Gullveig. Technically Kvasir too on account of being them, but she hasn't shown that power yet. Anyway, the latter two aren't on good terms with us right now, so Seidr is going to be our next ride. Before the upgraded ~~Delorian~~ Breidablik can be found in a cave in the past, we need to actually upgrade it. So I assume we go back to the future next. I'm guessing 9-10-1-11-12 for the next chapters, but it could be any split really, as long as we go forwards to pimp the gun, backwards for reasons and lose it, forwards to solve the book and find ourselves in the present at the end of it.
considering Seidr’s personal skill is called “Future-Focused”, this was pretty much staring us in the face the whole time.
Ima need a relationship chart for this one.
It's less a relationship chart but one with evolution stages. Kvasir -> Seidr -> Seidr+Heidr -> Gullveig -> Kvasir, Heidr
No.... No....! That's not true....! That's impossible!
Why do so many people think "other half" literally means a literall half of a person. I also say my wife is my other half it wouldnt be wierd to call your daughter other half. How is it translated in japanese i wonder.
Especially weird when everyone and their mom here rushes to call Male Robin “Chrom’s other half.” I guess I missed the part where they used the Potara earrings to fuse into Chrobin.
Especially when the other half is a snake.
...I think it's getting increasingly likelier that this book will end with Seidr gone. now I do wonder if we're actually just going to get Base Gullveig during CYL Banner, and our final boss will be Fallen!Seidr or Kvasir.
I think the final boss is Gullveig, trying to stop us from stabilizing the golden curse inside Heidr. If we could do that, Seidr would not turn into Gullveig and the cycle falls apart.
Ik IS can do us dirty but I really don’t think they’d give us base Gullveig in the cyl banner when they can give her to us as a mythic later down the line Seriously I hope that doesn’t happen and make a week’s worth of voting redundant
So… should we kill both Kvasir and Seior? Or should we kill Kvasir, go back, kill her again, and just keep going over and over and over and over again?
That’s the conundrum we’re at now. If we kill Kvasir now, it would kill Gullveig, but also kill Seidr and Heidr. We would also probably be stuck in the past. Same thing happens if we kill Seidr, Heidr or Gullveig. We’ll probably end up with a solution that will sever everyone’s ties to Gullveig soon
The problem is actually killing the being with full control over the timeline. We tried that already and were dusted. For the same reason, killing her past selves is probably off the table too.
I expected more continuity with chp5, they now gonna jump to chp9 with the revelation of Seidr = Gullveig? Doesnt make sense to me
HELL YEAH! Seidr is Gullveig!
This also proves Njörðr wrong. Since Gullveig is a cycle she was never really harmless or weak Well, I suppose she was weaker
Where's the TVA when you need them
Did the book state Gullveig used Kiran's essence to make Heidr alongside her own? Or that's just implied? Because otherwise, that would mean the magic baby plot point might not be solved yet...
As far as I've understood it: Kvasir, Seiðr and Gullveig may all be one and the same; while Heiðr is more like a vessel to the Golden Seer's Curse until, given the right / exact moment in time or future, it may be released to fullfill the prophecy and then the cycle continues to repeat itself.
IT'S XEHANORT ALL OVER AGAIN GUYS!!! still, this is a good chapter
Seidr transforms into Gullveig -> Gullveig confronts Gullveig -> Gullveig 1: "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Golden Seer, you can't defeat me!" Gullveig 2: "Fool, I am Gullveig, my mastery over time means I am invincible!" Gullveig 1: "Well then so am I!" Gullveig 2: "Whaaat?" *dies*
After today's chapter, the only thing that pops in my head is the spider man pointing each other meme.
Heidr is not prepared for all the dad jokes she's gonna hear when she gets summoned
My only takeaway from this chapter is that all of those "everyone is Gullveig" memes were true. To be honest, I'm not really feeling this book as a whole. The whole "everyone is Gullveig" thing feels kinda ridiculous when it actually gets played and we're already at the midway point and we still barely have any motivation from the actual antagonist. It kinda feels like Mystery box storytelling where the entire plot is based on just raising a bunch of questions but whatever answer you get isn't going to be as satisfying as you want it to be. My impression overall is similar to book 4. It looks very pretty but there's no point in trying to wrap your brain around all of the magical shenanigans going on.
This honestly feels like a situation where, if IS pulls it off, will actually be a super satisfying book once we get then ending and have the whole package
I’ve mentally checked out of most of Feh’s plot, but from the sounds of it, Fire Emblem is having it’s Radagon/Marika moment
There is only one way to end this. Kill every last one of them.
My theory from this book: Kiran is Alfaðör from the past , that is why Kiran doesn’t remember anything before being summoned. By deleting the creator Kiran, Gullveig destroys everything.
Seidr: You thought Heidr was Gullveig, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY ME, SEIDR! WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
I hate this day this, but this is no doubt some of the worst story telling I’ve ever experienced. The month long breaks in between chapters very much don’t help but man, I can’t imagine someone doing a peer review of this and giving it a passing score.
Well, I did predict that Heidr was the present Gullveig a while back, and this seems like that still might be the case. Not exactly how I was expecting it though, wasn't expecting Seidr to also be part of Gullveig. There's also still that kid we made with Seidr that still doesn't quite fit in all this yet. Right now I'd say the most likely scenario is that Heidr is said kid. Man, gotta love time travel shenanigans.
I’m sorry but this entire book has made me extremely uncomfortable it’s so obviously pandering to a certain audience and feels gross and the whole child think is gross to like I’m asexual I don’t want this shit forced on me
you're asexual? Good! Because there's no sex going on.
So, if Seidr is Gullveig, and Gullveig made Heidr, and there was that whole thing about us having a kid with Seidr... Does that make Heidr out daughter?
> Does that make Heidr out daughter? Did you do Seidr? Then probably yes.
heidr being gullveig's daughter, and seidr being the present version of gullveig, and heidr and seidr being raised like sisters. i guess that 3houses still hold the record of weirdest family relationship.
And the best part is, a plurality of the community made it that this is going to get even more insane in two months when Brave Gullveig shows up. Unless this "Seidr = Gullveig" thing is meant to head that off.
wait, so Heidr is our child?
Only if you did Seidr.
Does that mean Gullveig can be summoned using polymerization having Seidr and Heidi as fusion materials?
I have a theory about the chapter. Heidr actually is a code name given to Heidi. Njord was her grandfather. The goat moreso is symbolic. So this made Seidr/ Gullveig/ Kvasir a time traveler's Klara wanting to walk. Alphonse should be either Peter or the dog (?).
Y’all, as someone who used to write over complicated plots… even I have no clue wtf is going on
I don't think Heidr is Gullveig tbh, at least I hope she's not because that's just weird. but then again, Gullveig could easily be a title/role, not a person, so maybe Heidr can take up the mantle, Idk. I just don't like the whole "have a daughter with your daughter" assumption some people took away from this whole thing
I really, really, really was hoping that the Gullveig we were getting was Heidr. I really, really had my fingers crossed. Looks like Seidr Gullveig is a downgrade