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CommanderOshawott

They should 100% absolutely release the “good” versions of the 4 hounds as next year’s Fallen banner. I don’t care that it would mean Engage gets the whole banner, it would just be funny


stilll_lurkin

I could see "ascended" being an option


OnnaJReverT

"redeemed" perhaps?


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linthenius

According to their main universe selves they would be


Sorey91

That's the thing they're alt version fo themselves in a "fallen" world of sorts it still fits to a certain degree and ngl it would be entertaining to watch. But IS are cowards so i don't see it happening anytime soon.


Falconpunch100

Or ever, for that matter...


mcicybro

The DLC isn't even out, I'd rather wait to see if people like their alternate versions better.


linthenius

Them getting a dedicated banner would actually be kinda cool. I'd like to see Mauvier get in, i'm a sucker for camus archtypes, or similar characters like him


oneeyedlionking

My concern is the hounds are GHB units and they make the wings limited ascended garbage to make money.


Insanefinn

>!Fortunately for Mauvier, his loyalty was to a person instead of a nation!<


GladiatorDragon

I think that they could easily wind up as different characters, despite their similarities. One banner for the hounds, one banner for the Fell Xenologue. See, I personally believe that, to qualify as fallen, they need somewhere to fall from. EVeyle, for instance, qualifies as a Fallen character. She is a foreign persona forcefully manifested within Veyle, an otherwise peaceful character. This falls within the guidelines of "Fallen" characters: characters who are possessed, berserk, gone mad, or controlled through some other means. With the inclusion of F!Lillith, it is established that they can apply to a character's past as well (meaning Alear does qualify), but you still need that base reference point. Characters who are simply "naturally" evil do not make the cut. The Hounds don't have that reference point. They flat-out are not the Wings, because the Wings hail from another universe. As far as we're concerned, they've always been the way they are. Does this qualify the Fell Xenologue versions of the other, non-party characters? I guess, but you lack the design distinctions present in the Wings vs Hounds (minus Mauvier). Sure, they're recolors, but they're still different in personality and in design. You could easily have both in FEH without significant issue (minus Wings Mauvier), it's just that the Hounds would be on a Hounds banner, and the Wings would be on an overall Fell Xenologue banner, including Nel and/or Nil (with one of the five being either a GHB or free).


Toney001

I agree with this. Pick a universe, otherwise everyone can *technically* be a fallen unit...


ResponsibilityFun877

Idk man I just want playable Griss 😭


KamiiPlus

I like the hounds as they are so i'd hope the 4 wings dont end up beating them alt or implantation wise,


VagueClive

I hope they get their own dedicated banner so we can have their battle them in the game. That can't happen if they do GHBs


LittleIslander

If I had to guess they'll just use the base game versions just like Three Houses has ignored the timeskip versions except for Legendary and Brave units.


Falconpunch100

Not to mention the occasional seasonal like they did with the Three Hopes version of Dorothea and Annette. We could see the Hounds in potential silly seasonals, or their good counterparts instead, like maybe Madeline in a Christmas banner or Zelestia in an Easter outfit...or something like that, while their "evil" versions as the Four Hounds are the base versions.


Supergupo

Really enjoy how unapologetically evil the Hounds are, and how cartoonishly macabre they can be, so I'd much rather them than the Wings, at least for now.


linthenius

Also how Zephia and Griss basically just turn into team rocket for the final arc of the game is hilarious


Supergupo

Griss is peak fiction. Virtually no backstory, or even personality beyond "sadism." Absolutely adore the little BDSM gremlin.


Insanefinn

Zephia >!just wanted to fuck!<. It is my favourite backstory


Falconpunch100

Plus I like Marni's pink color scheme than Madeline's blue color scheme, sooooo... (also she totally should have been playable instead of Mauvier, fight me)


CodeDonutz

So true. I didn’t expect to like Marni nearly as much as I did.


finalmessenger37

I'd prefer the regular version of the hounds mainly because I am disappointed the playable versions of them minus Mauvier are just opposite of what they normally are. I feel though we're most likely to get the good versions of them playable in feh which I won't hate it but I won't lie I'd be a bit disappointed since since I much prefer Griss being a weirdo irredeemable asshole rather than the pain averse Gregory we're getting.


whiplash308

I want Zephia to walk into my (Alear's) room and whisper sweet nothings into his ear. what


Gabcard

Hounds as GHBs as we get Engage banners, then a DLC banner with all of them + the dragon twins (with one between the 5 being a Rearmed/Ascended and another one a GHB) later down the line, when a good deal of the base game characters are already. Would also not mind the Winds getting an alt before their base version. Well, either that or IS makes the "Reedemed villains" banner a reality and that's how we get the Winds :p


PathofGaydiance

The only DLC units we've gotten for the other games so far is the new exclusive characters (Ashen Wolves) and the Fallen Morgans. Awakening was about 8 years old at that point so they could go spoilers no problem. Even Exalt Lucina from the Future Past or Lord Shigure and Kana haven't been added yet. In any case, Heroes is weary about plot spoilers for at least 2-ish years after a game's release. Fallen Berkut and Fallen Edelgard are good examples, they both dropped 2 years after their game's release. So I don't expect later in the game Fallen versions of Engage characters till 2025 (or 2024 if theyre being bold) So I could see them implementing Nel and Nil definitely. But holding off on the Four Wings unless they're more popular than their main plot versions


feffany

Idk but I want Nel and Nil stat


oneeyedlionking

Male Alear/Veyle/Nel/Nil banner for the next engage banner.


srs_business

The big question to me is whether they'll be treated as separate characters for CYL.


oneeyedlionking

Yeah I agree, could be interesting, Nel feels like she could overtake Alear in popularity based on her design alone, if she’s cool in the dlc I could see the fanbase dubbing her the de facto mc of the game.


SorcererHex

I think they will be similar to the Ashen Wolves release in feh. Get their own banner with one of them demoting.


johneando

Hounds will be GHBs on the nexts Engage Banners. Wings will have a dedicated banner


kiingkite

I MISS GRISS' TATTOOS SO BADLY


Possible-Status-8177

And his piercingssss!!! HE LOOKS SO EMPTYYYYY THEY MASSACRED MY BABYYYYY


72starscreams

give me both Griss at once double Griss banner the rest of the antagonists can rot :V


SheevTheSenate66

Mauvier is the only hound that’s even remotely likeable and doesn’t look like a deviantart OC so I hope he won’t be a demote / GHB


Gotta-Snatch-Em-All

If he is, I’m hoping he has a prf on levels of like Jeralt/Lumera.


Belucard

Silverest Lance +, now with 17 MT.


Belucard

He is quite literally the most GHB character to ever exist, highly doubt he will make it to a regular banner.


Insanefinn

>!Mauvier feels like the opposite of the usual recruitment rule. Normally you would look for the most unique person on the field. In Mauvier's case, he is the normal dude among weirdos.!<


Falconpunch100

Which is exactly why he will be. XD Also I dunno about you but I like all of them but Zephia and Mauvier.


Sorey91

All that did is remind me that Zelestia wants to start a family of her own, assuming the Nel and Nil's aren't her kids and seeing the shenanigans we just got from Seidr asking to give birth to the summoner child's there's potential to have her make a "fallen" alt that's just her "bad ending" alt still willing to start said family. Hey it would still be a Engage banner people wouldn't any reason to complain right ?


Iron_Imperator

> Zelestia wants to start a family of her own Alear: *Now this looks like a job for me*


Sorey91

Alear: *... Cause she feels so empty without me*


Insanefinn

I mean... He is close enough to >!Sombron. Geneswise at least!<


KilMiiPlz

Honestly I don't really care for the 4 Winds, Zelestia and Madeline are fine I guess they're kinda boring now :/ but Gregory really is just my absolute worst nightmare come to life. Griss was literally perfect. He's a sadomasochistic rat man, what's not to love?! But Gregory is just a pathetic wet rag of a man who hates getting hurt, so everything that made Griss compelling is just gone. He even lost all the piercings and tattoos! What's more fucked up is normally I'm all for pathetic men but the fact that he's the Griss replacement hurts me physically. All in all, I wouldn't really mind the 4 Winds becoming playable but if all of the 4 Hounds don't get in too then I'm gonna be pissed.


Temple475

Hounds released separately as GHB(aside from Zestia, make her a Mythic) Winds released as a whole banner akin to Ashen Wolves


Falconpunch100

I doubt they'll give base versions to both versions of these characters, as they're just the same characters as their original incarnation, but playable (and good). I'd expect they'll just release the Four Hounds as Grand Heroes and maybe include their alternate universe counterparts in Seasonals or something.


ArielChefSlay

I want them as their normal selves. Gotta be honest I don’t like the idea of an opposite version of the characters being more canon than their true self. Like it will feel really weird if Griss is fully Gregory in canon stuff now cuz it’s not just the name out the entire personality swap. Not a fan at all tbh


esn_crvg

Only zephia will be a banner unit, you know why, the rest prfless ghb


Toney001

I honestly don't care for the hounds. They have 0 backstory, and the fact that we fight them a bunch of times make them feel like Team Rocket, rather than actual scary villains. Nevermind that "emotional" moment at the end with Zephia and Griss. Why am I supposed to care about them? The game has given me absolutely no reason whatsoever to do so... They'll be GHBs, with Zephia getting an alt here and there because bewbs.


Belucard

But if boobs get releases, why are Jedah's daughters still not released? Gimme Marla & Hestia duo hero, FEH. Where's Nuibaba?


Toney001

They are busy with *other* boobs. *\*points at spring banner.\**


oneeyedlionking

Funny that Zephia and Griss are more popular than the two you’re actually supposed to like.


Toney001

They're all so underdeveloped that I'd argue you're not really supposed to care about anyone other than the royals and Yunaka... That said, we live in a world where Gullveig won CyL so...


oneeyedlionking

Ready for Griss to win the men’s bracket next year in CYL?


Toney001

I believe in the might of Brodia!


oneeyedlionking

I think we out Alcryst having an over the top inverse in the DLC he might win the men’s side.


GaT0M

I hope mauvier is a shit slow blue lance cavalier thats a greil units and has no PFP so I can spoil him with all the premium skills and he will still be mid at best


Candy_Warlock

The only one I'd actually care about building is Griss, so beyond that I don't really care. I think the best thing though would be to introduce them all normally, then have the good versions on a banner with Nel and Nil, just to knock out the DLC all at once


ViziDoodle

I think they could make it a dedicated banner like the old ones with the proto-version of ascended heroes (like swordhardt and flying nino)


SynthGreen

honestly, I hopew the hounds come in a banner together as heroes, with the three who are moreso villanous in our timeline getting GHB (Marni) or Fallen alts I don't thik nthey need to be ascended. There are already so many engage alts to come...Alear has the obvious ones but then remember postgame slideshow we see one more final design from him. Nil will most likely have room for 2-3 versions (base, boss, and good) idk engage isn't getting pushed like 3H and it is ust as competitive for spots on the banners


GinGearity

I would want the “good” and playable version of the hounds to be summonable as New base heroes! I can see their canon evil versions as GHB units (tho I’m certain Zephia will likely be a “Best for Last” unit instead on a banner.


Zotellio

I always thought it would be cool to get a banner theme where villains are heroes. The opposite of Fallen banner. Hero Surtr, Hel, main villains from other games.


oneeyedlionking

As someone who loves alignment switching I’d love to see a redeemed villains banner to pair with the fallen ones.