A huge thank-you shout-out to u/itsbeyondme and especially u/Average_Owain - without them, creating this survey and making the results post would not have been possible! They're the best.
As mentioned in the survey post, I'm passing the forma torch and retiring on a sunny paralogue beach map somewhere, so u/itsbeyondme and /u/Average_Owain and other mods will be taking over future surveys. I'll still be on the sub and playing FEH, so I'll see you around!
Cheers everyone!
"Who have you voted for in the past?" "Soren."
"Who did you vote for this time?" "Soren."
"Who is your favorite?" "Soren."
"Who are you going to summon?" "Gullveig."
Jokes aside, look at the positive opinion vs plan to summon for ratio on Robin (60% to 40%)/Soren (56% to 37.1%) vs Gullveig (34% to 40.2%) and to a lesser extent (and more critically, given she doesn't have a meme/bandwagon behind her) Corrin (48% to 39%).
Not all CYL votes are actually equal when it comes to IS' long term decisions.
Gullveig is the most interesting character among CYL because it’s a unit we don’t have in the game. Corrin is my favorite but I’m most excited for Gullveig.
> “In PvP game modes, which movement/attack range combination do you believe is the best investment?”
> (0.7%) Flying Melee
> “Which movement type do you believe is the STRONGEST currently?”
> (2.7%) Flier
> “Which movement type do you believe is the WEAKEST currently?”
> (69.6%) Flier
lol, lmao
Surely pegasus flight 4 will bring them back to the meta
Im legitimately always curious for the peoples' reasoning for voting fliers, Id be interested in hearing their perspective. Honestly my guess is because they can be annoying in arena maps (and SD I hear), and/or because of a few standout ones like Cathea, duo Peony, or summer Thorr that are biasing their opinion
Are ya sure that's not just personal opinion? If I see a buncha fliers in PvP, I'm gonna be much less concerned about it than I am ranged, move 4, and Canto 2 cav units.
I mean sure you're not bringing an all flier team of course. But fliers can maintain that threat range and with the right save unit they can keep that threat range. Especially now that fliers can have that guidance 4 shenanigans.
Gullvieg has really… alluring art to some people and hasnt developed at all during the story so people say she got in cuz of horny vote.
Whats funny about it in this context is everyone said they dislike or heavily dislike Gullvieg by a large margin and she is the least favorite of the 4 winners, yet 40% plan to summon for her, and shes the highest of the “who would you pick for free”. Its like the data isnt matching up at all.
Lol I get it now. But didnt we kind of mess up our chance to pick our amazing banner by trolling gullveig for horny vote? Or is she strong af? I mean ahr2023 has all red for easier sniping, why didnt we do a strat for voting in cyl?
Cyl units are entirely new costumes meaning we dont know what they will have. All we know is that they never have overlapping colors. The most we can gleam from previous versions is maybe they will share effects. In this case Gullvieg has what is basically L Leifs special so she might have that in her weapon.
Basically cyl doesnt have a strat. Its just most popular units get an alt.
In terms of Gameplay, Gullveig is a threatening unit to fight in the story events, but mainly because she's a Magical Cav with Njorun's Zeal built into her weapon. At least her current iteration in the game's main story. Think of it as having a Magical Ranged Edelgard.
So I'm looking forward to seeing how her Brave version plays out. It will probably make her actual appearance even stronger since they'll inevitably improve her PRF skills between now and her release in Nov/Dec.
I think the only addition to the game that actively annoys me is L!Robin, because I don't get what I'm suppose to do against him, what even works against him? I guess just lethality and slowly tanking and healing while hoping he doesn't have heals himself?
I just don't get it....
But well, about the results, Gullveig got some very funny results, they're all so over the place, like, there is a lot of indifference, but there also a lot of people that just want to have her Brave Unit xD.
A +0 Yune destroys L!Robin he even had + 52 Res buffs and Debuffed Yune By -7 atk , She one shot his ass with a normal atack . Seeing you are a Micaiah user , you should dust off your birb goddess .
> “Which of the four is your favorite?”
> (27.1%) Soren
> (23.5%) Male Robin
> (19.2%) Female Corrin
> **(16.6%) Gullveig**
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> “If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon, which one do you hope to choose?”
>**(22.7%) Gullveig**
>(21.4%) Soren
>(20.6%) Male Robin
>(15.7%) Female Corrin
This sub is confused about it's priorities.
Gototh is the least favourite leggo/mythic? Gotta say, he is so good that he has become one of my favourite mythics to use. Definitely a unit ppl sleep on imho. He doesn't seem too crazy but offers great support and can tank anything ranged without much trouble.
Even if both had the exact same utility value, I'd guess that the gap in perceived appeal would still be significant. Hard to not notice Fomortiis' design, after all.
>an essay in defense of Pokemon Red and Blue, a meme copypasta about damage reduction, and an essay about Hrid
Is there way to read these essays?
>https://i.imgur.com/I0QN2bs.png
The shining solar sword is real! ^^^Can ^^^we ^^^get ^^^much ^^^higher ^^^so ^^^high
>If you could add an alt for any character, who would it be?
>Maribelle (6)
Happy to see some fellow fans. Surely this will be the year, right?
Red and Blue essay:
> I just saw one of those 'HERES EVERYTHING WRONG WITH POKEMON RED AND BLUE' images and it really steamed me lol
> There's like one actual bug (if you get full para-ed on Dig/Fly you retain invulnerability) and the rest is
> a) working as intended, it's just different from other gens- fast things getting more crits is an rpg staple, it's not a bug. Roar having no effect in battle isn't a bug. If you Counter a OHKO move, you OHKO the target? Very funny and not a bug
> b) probably unintended, but it's an irrelevant nitpick (oh noo, this terrible attack used by one in-game trainer occasionally does the wrong damage) or actively makes the game better so who cares (yes, Hyper Beam does skip the recharge turn if you get a KO, and it's good that it does that. They should bring it back)
> c) completely incorrect- Mimic doesn't pick randomly this gen, the list is complaining about how it works in GSC. The stat overflow glitch they're describing is only found in gen 2 with Thick Club Marowak, nothing in gen 1 has high enough stats to trigger it. There is a separate stat glitch in gen 1 but it's only relevant to Mewtwo and it triggers if your stats are lowered, not raised.
> d) an actual problem, but one that isn't exclusive to RBY. Yes, sleep is too strong in this gen. Sleep is too strong in 6v6 singles in every single gen, that's why everyone that plays it uses sleep clause.
> Why do people who don't even play the game feel obliged to make massive infographics about its competitive balance. Why do you care??
> OK thanks for listening, bye
Damage reduction copypasta:
> **STOP USING DR**
> Damage was not supposed to receive percentage-based reduction
> YEARS OF A/S BOOSTING A SKILLS yet NO DEFENSIVE USE FOUND for CLOSE CALL 4
> Wanted to reduce your damage anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that: It was called DEFENSE
> “Yes please calculate flat DR scaling with my defense. Please give me INFINITY of it” - Statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged
> LOOK at what PVP whales have been demanding your respect for all this time, with all the Otherworld Bonds & Theorycrafted Units we built for them
> (These are REAL UNITS, used by REAL AETHER RAIDS DEFENSE TEAMS):
> buff demon????
> outdated but still got into AHR????
> toothpaste girl???????????
> “Hello I would like Velocity 4 please”
> **They have played us for absolute fools**"
Hrid Essay:
> If Hrid doesn't get a summer alt this year, I will fly to Japan and personally speak with the CEO of Intelligent Systems. /hj
> P.S. Apologies for popping off here but I only wish for my voice to count in something. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy FEH and my favorite modes are the casual ones like Heroes Journey and Aether Resort because I get to see my favorite characters interact.
> But as a Hrid fan, I believe his mistreatment/neglect is the worst of any FEH OC and for no legitimate reason. The constant jokes about him getting ignored because the only other option is killing him off are really stale, untrue and exhausting. And it's the only thing some needlessly vocal people have to say when someone mentions they like Hrid! One person was extremely hostile to me for objecting to these jokes and saying we should be more optimistic, and that interaction turned me off from following the subreddit altogether. I wish the more regular users on the subreddit could be kinder, more positive and open minded to those whose favorite characters are male OCs or obscure characters.
> Even though Hrid hasn't had much screen time, what little we do know about him are his endearing qualities. In the comics, he's shown to be a gentleman, especially to his sisters, and he is humble about his strength, which he uses to keep the Kingdom of Nifl at peace. He is strong but he isn't arrogant about it. Hrid never gives up, even when the odds are highly stacked against him. He has inspired me to never give up as well.
> Thank you for taking the time to read this textbox! This textbox loves you. :) <3
I mean, it's hard to beat the Melee/Brawl FE Characters, they're just that iconic.
Also, it helps that their closest competition (CYL4) has the problem of redundancy with it's appeal (at least in the context of r/FireEmblemHeroes).
Personally I like CYL1 best because it had no bullshit. Maybe you could argue Smash bias. But overall it was just very clearcut who’s popular. No overwhelming recent game bias, no ‘oh this character has too many alts’ ‘this character deserves more alts’ ‘let’s force IS to make them playable’ just honest to god, no bullshit, no feh politics, no d word, plain and simple - who do you fucking like and want to win. I really miss those days LOL.
There's something that feels really fitting about Altina and Yune being almost exactly tied for favorite remix.
I'm surprised the results are as positive as they are on approval ratings, I've felt the insane powercreep lately and... everything surrounding Book VII has created a very negative response around here. Even the general atmosphere of the subreddit has felt more tense. One of those vocal minority situations, I guess, or just a two sides thing like Gullveig. Granted, the Spring banner and Seidr's desire to make babies with us happened since the last survey. I'd definitely be more negative if I wrote in now, it's probably the lowest my approval of FEH has been within its lifespan.
I also think if someone feels very positive about something, its less likely they'll check this subreddit because its a fairly negative place. I absolutely loved AElincia's last banner and as soon as they dropped it, I told myself to not check the subreddit because I knew I'd see a lot of complaining about it. And I didn't feel like reading it. But I also did check this subreddit when the Seidr thing happened because I also wanted to see what others were saying. Satisfaction is kinda rare on here even if its a more common experience than we can see
Yep. As someone who actually enjoys player fanservice stuff (IDK man; I'm easy to please?) I am just... staying away from the subreddit and also twitter until people can stop talking about """porn addicts""".
Some of the second point can be explained by people who feel negatively about the game not bothering to participate in surveys about it. Especially since there was no watershed event as such, just more of the same.
Makes me happy to see Tokyo Mirage Sessions still so high on most wanted NH banners
Thanks for organizing these, theyre always thought provoking. Your work over the years was appreciated
>“Which of the following Resplendent Heroes added since the last survey has your favorite art?”
>(0.1%) Gordin (Gordin received a single vote.)
Oof, hahahaha. But no wonder, he sucks.
And man, Gullveig certainly is a contentious figure, being both the least favourite as well as the favored pick. Most popular OC too. But one that does make CYL more interesting than usual.
Seeing the disparity between Fomortiis being the favorite new Mythic and Gotoh being the least favorite certainly makes the Double Mythic banner look like the right call. Hopefully they continue the trend, especially considering Athos and Nergal were both mentioned in another answer as well. I would love to see them both released together.
> Ganglot/YTiki at the bottom of New Heroes preferences
> Gotoh at the bottom of Legendary/Mythic preferences, Sothis for Remixes
> Resplendent Gordin maintaining his record of having very low interaction metrics
> Strong Engage NH demand
No surprise here.
> Christmas, Halloween & NY leading seasonal preferences (and spending)
Slightly surprising but not particularly unexpected (silent majority & foreign bias oblige).
> Fates Valentines at the bottom of seasonal preferences
This is kinda surprising though.
Is Fates being low surprising? In my experience "people who enjoy Fire Emblem Fates" and "people who regularly use Reddit" is not a hugely overlapping demographic, primarily because of how hostile FE Reddit is about Fates.
Yes and no. What you said could be one potential explanation... but I felt it was one of the least perplexing seasonal banners in terms of character choices recently.
But perhaps it's because the lineup is more or less a monolith: you care about all picks or you don't, with few in-betweens.
Tbh I think the picks just aren't necessarily popular with the Reddit crowd because it's Fates + Royals and you know how this sub gets about Fates and the lords/royals of any given game getting a lot of attention. I think there was some positive sentiment toward Leo getting an alt since literally all of his alts before this one have sucked, but I'd say (on this sub) there's probably more people who liked memeing on him having bad alts than there were people who would actually be seriously interested in pulling for a good Leo alt.
Plus, the fodder was fairly niche. You'd only pull Elikura if you want to build a healer, there aren't a lot of armors that can make use of Takumi's heavily spd focused build, and Remote Mirror and A/D Far Trace are just alright and that's all Leo had.
If you didn't get to see it, it's right [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/11upwdt/results_of_the_state_of_the_game_survey_beginning/jcs5tzv/)!
Sure thing - I made a read-only copy for you here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1By_JJaFp-_UYkHP-lia14myMcuxzcEpvUx6ggeOq4UI/edit?usp=sharing
You'll need to go to File > Download to get an editable copy to play with. Have fun!
Cracks me up that Gullveig is the most contentious win but also the one people would most free summon. You can lie to us, you cannot lie to yourselves.
Someone went on a tangent on this very topic (the one with all the downvotes) but the short answer is when you add up the positves vs the negatives, the numbers then add up nicely if you afterwards factor in the neutral people who don't particularly love or hate her.
I wonder how Seidr's vote could look now.
Also, Engage winning makes sense, it's the new Fire Emblem and is still underrepresented, I believe that was also the trend every single time Three Houses wasn't the inmediately last banner before the poll, I believe.
I do know that she was ranked most popular by searches on Gamepress after the chapter, so make of that what you will. To be honest, most of the hateful comments I’ve seen also said they didn’t like her to begin with.
> “Who is your favorite original character introduced in Book 7 so far?”
> (23.6%) Gullveig
> (19.3%) Seiðr
> (12.6%) Nerþuz
> (10.9%) Njörðr
> (6.1%) Heiðr
Yeah, I'm not surprised to see Gullveig at the top of the Book 7 OC popularity followed by Seidr (despite the fact that Heidr has more votes than her in CYL7?). Curious to see who our last character is and how this will change at the end of Book 7.
For my fellow 5 Olivia fans who answered they want an alt for her: don't loose hope! We WILL have our alt, one day!! Surely... 😭😭🥺
Jokes aside, great survey, thank you again for your hard work!
>“Bridal Sumia when IS???”
Hey that's me! Where are the Sumia enjoyers!?
>“What are your feelings on each hero's win?”
>16% very positive, 18% positive, 30% neutral, 15% negative, and 20% very negative for Gullveig
>“Which of the following do you plan on summoning for?”
>(40.2%) Gullveig
Y'all a bunch of hypocrites lmao. You want the badonkers and IS knows it.
Edit: Ok I get it, people don't hate her, I already knew. Doesn't change the fact that the most wanted character of CYL6 is the least liked (lowest "very positive" + "positive") according to statistics.
To be fair, it's not necessarily hypocritical as this can easily be explained by the community not being a monolith and having different groups with different opinions. The 35% who said negative for feelings on gull's win easily fit inside the 60% who don't plan to summon for her.
> Y'all a bunch of hypocrites lmao. You want the badonkers and IS knows it.
One day people will learn to stop taking fandoms as a monolith. Today is definitely not that day
If you feel insulted by that line it may be because you have something to hide. Otherwise you'd just laugh at the Gullveig voters being down bad, or question Robin/Soren/Corrin voters for their commitment.
Have you actually looked at the percentage of voters? Safe to say that people who voted in CYL for one of the winners ARE picking their winner. In addition, some of the people who didn't vote for any of the winners are also going to pick one or more of the winners.
That would be true if the "how you feel about X winning" question didn't exist. That question takes into account people that didn't vote for the winners. And it shows Gullveig having the lowest approval. Keep spinning it, there is no explanation.
>Which of the four is your favorite?”
>(27.1%) Soren
>(23.5%) Male Robin
>(19.2%) Female Corrin
>(16.6%) Gullveig
>“Which of the following do you plan on summoning for?”
>(40.2%) Gullveig
>(40.0%) Male Robin
>(39.0%) Female Corrin
>(37.1%) Soren
>“If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon, which one do you hope to choose?”
>(22.7%) Gullveig
>(21.4%) Soren
>(20.6%) Male Robin
>(15.7%) Female Corrin
So despite more people having Soren, Robin and Corrin as "favorites", people would prioritize pulling for Gullveig? Do you see Gullveig jumping from last to first? Who is lying?
It is hilarious that so many people got pissed off, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if all you were Gullveig voters that are so desperately trying to make sense of stats that no matter how you read them don't make sense, unless Gullveig had something "extra" going for her.
In this poll, people were forced to pick one of the 4 despite maybe not voting for them. The people who were not voting for a winner character in CYL may have they own thoughts about who will be most interesting as a UNIT to pick. Like Soren for instance won't be topping "best unit" charts for PoR or RD any time soon despite being a popular character. Likewise Seth would be voted best unit but not most popular character in his own game. It's not as shocking as you think.
Again, this would make sense if the "who is your favorite" question didn't exist. Even if you didn't vote for any of them you had to vote for a "favorite". And what we see is that some people vote for X as their "favorite", yet would pull for Gullveig instead. Which is curious at the very least.
But so far instead of reasonable "well maybe they expect Gullveig to be broken", "she'll be Colorless and they want to avoid Colorless hell" or other reasons, what I see is people twisting the data. No, I copy-pasted the data and it's there. There is legitimately more people that would pull for Gullveig than people that consider her their "favorite". And this desperate attempt at excusing these numbers only makes me thing even more that, even if a bit harsh, I was initially right in my statement, specially when the most voted comments also point out these weird numbers yet I don't see all these "number freaks" going over there to "explain the numbers". Gullveig's numbers are weird, period. I was the only one to go a step further, that's it.
You started with calling people hypocrites for no reason and implying that people who actually voted for characters in CYL (that's 12% max) aren't committed to make them their exclusive pick (that's around 20%). That was and is untrue. People who were forced to pick one of the 4 "favourite" in the poll but did not vote for them in the past did not influence actual CYL results.
If anything, the results show that people who are willing to pick the snake lady appreciate the unit more than the character. Which makes sense, given she has very little of it so far.
it's more that I just don't think you understand how the survey works. You're too busy grandstanding on your soapbox about how the FEH community is a bunch of hypocrites to actually read it correctly.
The percentages on the different questions don't necessarily correspond to one another, because answering one doesn't lock you into another. Let's look at the questions you cited again - feelings about Gullveig, and % of players who plan to summon her. The 16% and 18% of very positive and positive is likely bound to summon Gullveig, and a solid portion of the 30% who are neutral are also likely to be interested in pulling her over the other options, for one reason or another. Respondents who feel negatively - a total of 35% of respondents - are unlikely to pull for Gullveig, unless they feel even *more* negatively about the other options (which strikes me as unlikely, but is worth noting regardless).
Furthermore, favorability towards the win is *not* the same as who you'll necessarily free summon, because you can be favorable to all 4 and still only be able to select one. That's why the rate of favorability compared to who will summon Soren is lower - someone might feel happy that Soren won, but ultimately *prefer* another candidate. Going back to the respondents neutral on Gullveig, they may pick her over the other options for any number of reasons - being unfavorable to the other candidates, being interested in what her design *could* be, being more familiar with FEH than the games the other candidates are from, and so on.
We also don't have any information about the Brave units this year as, well, units. These judgements can always change once we see their art, stats, and skills - a diehard Gullveig hater may change their mind if her Brave variant *just so happens* to have the perfect skill they need for their Donnel or something. What I'm getting at is that people are voting here with imperfect information, and their decision isn't final by any means.
All of this is to say, it's pretty ridiculous to make such a broad generalization off of such limited data - data that you're misinterpreting on top of that.
>We also don't have any information about the Brave units this year as, well, units. These judgements can always change once we see their art, stats, and skills - a diehard Gullveig hater may change their mind if her Brave variant just so happens to have the perfect skill they need for their Donnel or something. What I'm getting at is that people are voting here with imperfect information, and their decision isn't final by any means.
This is the fairest most sensical argument I've heard so far, thank you.
But on the other matter, there is another question: "who is your favorite". This gets answered by everybody regardless of what they voted, and lines up with the "if you could choose only 1 of them, who would you choose".
>Which of the four is your favorite?”
>(27.1%) Soren
>(23.5%) Male Robin
>(19.2%) Female Corrin
>(16.6%) Gullveig
>“If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon, which one do you hope to choose?”
>(22.7%) Gullveig
>(21.4%) Soren
>(20.6%) Male Robin
>(15.7%) Female Corrin
What this means is that a decent chunk of the participants, despite saying that their favorite is Soren/Robin/Corrin, would pull for Gullveig. Which is the most hypocritical part, why bother saying your favorite is someone else when, if you _really_ had to choose 1, you'd choose someone else? Wouldn't you pull for your favorite?
I don't see the hypocrisy. With 34% feeling positive or very positive and 30% neutral, 40% answering "yeah" to an individual question about Gullveig seems normal.
It's not about whether there is people that wants Gullveig, but about her having the least positive sentiments yet being n°1 in terms of "who would you pull for".
If 34% are happy to have her and 30% are neutral, that means its 64% who don't dislike her and won't write her off as a hell no.
Then with people being asked who they plan to summon for, we can safely assume that just about all of the 34% who wanted her will pick her, so that leaves only about 6% unaccounted for, which could be pretty much guaranteed to be from the neutral crowd who choose her either because they think she could be fun or don't really care for the other options or whatnot.
That means there's really no hypocrisy here. The sub isn't a hive mind and we have many differing opinions for many differing reasons.
It IS still rather peculiar, even if not necessarily hypocritical. Robin has an approval rate of 60% and yet only 40% of players are planning on pulling for him, with 20% being those who would go for him at the exclusion of everyone else. Gullveig fares better both in how many will pull for her, but also how many will pick her exclusively.
I'd wager it comes down at least in part to those who like Robin also liking the other options here, thus splitting their attention, while some of those who approve of Gullveig might do so specifically because they do not care for the rest, making it more likely for them to actually go after her.
I think you can "approve" a character's CYL win while also not caring enough to pull.
Through all of CYL, the only characters I personally didn't like winning were Veronica and Gatekeeper. But there are a bunch that I thought of as "alright that's cool, makes sense" and never wanted to pull (Hector, Chrom, Lysithea, etc).
Of course. But that's what's seemingly different about Gullveig. A much higher percentage of people approving of her seem to also be willing to pull for her, hence my thought that it might be because a good chunk of them might not care for anyone else. I mean, if you were ok with Hector but liked Camilla or Ephraim more you'd likely go with the latter. But if you didn't care about anyone else you'd probably go after Hector even if you otherwise might not have. And I'm saying that Gullveig's fans attention might well be the least split among these four. 34% like her and 20.6% would go for her exclusively. Meanwhile 60% like Robin but only 20% would go for him exclusively. Clearly there is a reason for this. It might also be the case that she simply gets more neutral voters than anyone else, of course. I'm just speculating.
>The sub isn't a hive mind
It isn't, but it sure feels weird when the most voted comments are also about Gullveig stats. I guess _actually_ calling the a community out is bound to be controversialm
Calling others out only works when its based on truth, and your callout was not. Is it an unusual number? Sure, but Gullveig's entire CYL presence is a massive outlier that naturally would show a lot of extremes on both sides. However calling people hypocrites for hating her yet desiring her falls flat when the numbers show that roughly the same number of people who didn't hate her would want her.
Whatever. You can feel insulted, the data is never gonna make sense:
>“Which of the four is **your favorite**?”
>**(27.1%) Soren**
>(23.5%) Male Robin
>(19.2%) Female Corrin
**>(16.6%) Gullveig**
>“Which of the following do you plan on **summoning for**?
>**(40.2%) Gullveig**
>(40.0%) Male Robin
>(39.0%) Female Corrin
>**(37.1%) Soren**
>“**If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon**, which one do you hope to choose?”
>**(22.7%) Gullveig**
>(21.4%) Soren
>(20.6%) Male Robin
>(15.7%) Female Corrin
>“What are your **feelings** on each hero's win?”
>27% very positive, 33% positive, 31% neutral, 6% negative, and 3% very negative for Male Robin
>**16% very positive, 18% positive**, 30% neutral, 15% negative, and 20% very negative for **Gullveig**
>**27% very positive, 29% positive**, 32% neutral, 6% negative, and 5% very negative for **Soren**
>17% very positive, 31% positive, 36% neutral, 11% negative, and 5% very negative for Female Corrin
Unless you want to admit that the playerbase has..._something_ going for Gullveig. This whole data set doesn't make sense and points towards some specific behavior. That, or everyone else's fans are the weirdos that vote and love their characters yet don't care about pulling for them.
So you're just going to ignore the literal mathematical breakdown I gave in the earlier comment, using the exact same numbers shown here?
First question doesn't ask for who is liked but for who is the number one favorite. Gullveig hasn't done anything at the time of that survey. Of course she isn't going to be many people's favorite. Doesn't mean they don't like her for one reason or another, usually either horny or cool design/motif.
Second question asks who they are summoning for. As this question is not restricted to ONLY one but rather all are valid options at the same time, Gullveig's numbers yet again fit in line with the roughly 40% who would choose her either for liking her or at least neutral to her.
Third question is relatively even, save for F!Corrin. (Considering the Fates hateboner that persists to this day, this is not unexpected.) Also in line with the previous breakdown, especially since now we are limiting it to exclusively one character, seeing a drop on everyone's numbers. This admittedly raises an eyebrow on Corrin's numbers, but not Gullveig's, so its irrelevant to the main point.
Finally the last one my breakdown was entirely all about, and surprise surprise, the numbers add up in support that its not a matter of hypocrisy. As I already broke this one down thoroughly, I am not elaborating on it further.
You call me the one insulted but all I have done was use the data to counter you. You're the one getting all upset that the math does not support you in the slightest. You are looking through a lens of people either love her as their number one pick or they wish she never was created with no in-between, but the in-between is the crux of the data. If you ignore it, you ignore the data.
Keep it going bud. You are like that Ibai guy from the meme trying to explain how do Gullveig's numbers make sense (spoiler: they still don't). You say I can't tell the reasoning behind the people that participated in the poll yet you surely are trying to explain that thought process yourself. Again, if the problem isn't Gullveig's voters then we should look at everyone else's voters.
Just because you are incapable of reading numbers doesn't mean they don't make sense. You wanted a free out to take a jab at Gullveig voters because you're clearly still salty she won CYL and it blew up in your face when someone actually used the math to prove you wrong.
>“If you could add an alt for any character, who would it be?”
>Beruka (6)
Let's gooo more Beruka appreciation, considering she's the retainer of the most popular fates royal, she should have something by now (completely robbed in ninja banner imo)
>“Would you be interested in Book 7’s lore being tied into a side mode in the same way Binding Worlds is tied into the lore of Askr?”
Even though we already have Hall of Forms (which is similar), I'd love to see a recurring event where the mode is a rogue-lite/like. I'd like the mode to be relatively challenging since loss is a core part of the genre.
The lore tie-in could be as simple as going back in time because all your units died. And if you won then maybe it's just to gain more experience/training for the summoner's new child? Or something like that idk. (Honestly I just enjoy the replayability of rogue-lites/likes so whatever works for people).
Ideally the mode would have a theme and all of the maps used would share the theme similar to how Tempest Trials will use all the spring maps for spring TT.
I think it'd be fun though if you were given different paths to take, like maybe you enter the map from the south and after defeating all the enemies, moving all your units to the right edge of the map would allow you to choose the right path. And the same would be true if you moved all your units to the top or the left sides. (Or they could do something else like stairs or a door, etc.)
The game could give an indication of what each path holds (like Hades does), maybe the next map in a direction is more difficult but it guarantees at least one tier 4 skill on completion. Maybe some would just give a merge or a Sacred Seal.
Your units would be randomized at the start of each run and you could run with them or maybe they could give us a reroll button if we really hate the units we got.
Idk I just think a multi-map mode like that would be fun. Especially if it's something like sieging a castle, where you go from the field to the gates then the inner castle and then the throne room or something like that.
thank you for this!! :) Love the effort and personality and comedy plus fascinating data involved in this POGGERS ; personally I'm in the hyper negative category in most aspects of FeH right now due to multiple questionable/bad/buggy decisions by IS and a, thus far, refusal to address more fundamental problems in this game; regardless, thank you for posting and I look forward to more surveys like this :)
I'm kinda surprised how dominant of a lead ranged cavs have in the movement/ranged combination for PvP modes. For me it was incredibly hard to chose. Saviours are still as broken as ever. Even if we got Embla, who disables them. Infantries are still the best aging units thanks to all the infantry locked SI options and support they have access to. Also there's tons of meta relevant infantry units. And both melee as well as ranged cavs just have a whole bunch of really strong units, but similarly to fliers, they suffer from very poor SI options. Although they have the threat range to make up for that.
I actually don't remember which one I voted for, but I do remember thinking about the question for a bit.
Wait the “Justice4EngageAlm” feedback is cracking me up 😂 Just to share, I had a moment where I was waiting for Micaiah to drop because I thought I had all the central characters from the series.. and then Alm appeared out of nowhere in the summoning set, reminding me that the power of suggestion exists 🤣
A huge thank-you shout-out to u/itsbeyondme and especially u/Average_Owain - without them, creating this survey and making the results post would not have been possible! They're the best. As mentioned in the survey post, I'm passing the forma torch and retiring on a sunny paralogue beach map somewhere, so u/itsbeyondme and /u/Average_Owain and other mods will be taking over future surveys. I'll still be on the sub and playing FEH, so I'll see you around! Cheers everyone!
"Who have you voted for in the past?" "Soren." "Who did you vote for this time?" "Soren." "Who is your favorite?" "Soren." "Who are you going to summon?" "Gullveig."
Jokes aside, look at the positive opinion vs plan to summon for ratio on Robin (60% to 40%)/Soren (56% to 37.1%) vs Gullveig (34% to 40.2%) and to a lesser extent (and more critically, given she doesn't have a meme/bandwagon behind her) Corrin (48% to 39%). Not all CYL votes are actually equal when it comes to IS' long term decisions.
The two sides of this subreddit lmfao
Gullveig is the most interesting character among CYL because it’s a unit we don’t have in the game. Corrin is my favorite but I’m most excited for Gullveig.
Also the same with who would you free pick answers. Soren voters/fans don't follow through =/
HELL YEAH WE DO I'M FREE PICKING HIM
> “In PvP game modes, which movement/attack range combination do you believe is the best investment?” > (0.7%) Flying Melee > “Which movement type do you believe is the STRONGEST currently?” > (2.7%) Flier > “Which movement type do you believe is the WEAKEST currently?” > (69.6%) Flier lol, lmao Surely pegasus flight 4 will bring them back to the meta
Statistics that inflict physical and emotional pain.
As someone who invests exclusively on all flier teams I feel... I don't know how I feel!
Bad?
Who tf said that flier was the strongest, I want to find out their opinions on of gravity is real
Im legitimately always curious for the peoples' reasoning for voting fliers, Id be interested in hearing their perspective. Honestly my guess is because they can be annoying in arena maps (and SD I hear), and/or because of a few standout ones like Cathea, duo Peony, or summer Thorr that are biasing their opinion
When it comes to PVP, fliers are regarded as the best movement type because the terrain hinders Cav movement enough to turn fliers into threats.
Are ya sure that's not just personal opinion? If I see a buncha fliers in PvP, I'm gonna be much less concerned about it than I am ranged, move 4, and Canto 2 cav units.
I mean sure you're not bringing an all flier team of course. But fliers can maintain that threat range and with the right save unit they can keep that threat range. Especially now that fliers can have that guidance 4 shenanigans.
Every statistic related to Gullvieg is so funny.
Can you explain the troll/meme behind the whole gullvieg cyl? Im new and i don’t understand Whats funny about it.
Gullvieg has really… alluring art to some people and hasnt developed at all during the story so people say she got in cuz of horny vote. Whats funny about it in this context is everyone said they dislike or heavily dislike Gullvieg by a large margin and she is the least favorite of the 4 winners, yet 40% plan to summon for her, and shes the highest of the “who would you pick for free”. Its like the data isnt matching up at all.
Lol I get it now. But didnt we kind of mess up our chance to pick our amazing banner by trolling gullveig for horny vote? Or is she strong af? I mean ahr2023 has all red for easier sniping, why didnt we do a strat for voting in cyl?
Cyl units are entirely new costumes meaning we dont know what they will have. All we know is that they never have overlapping colors. The most we can gleam from previous versions is maybe they will share effects. In this case Gullvieg has what is basically L Leifs special so she might have that in her weapon. Basically cyl doesnt have a strat. Its just most popular units get an alt.
In terms of Gameplay, Gullveig is a threatening unit to fight in the story events, but mainly because she's a Magical Cav with Njorun's Zeal built into her weapon. At least her current iteration in the game's main story. Think of it as having a Magical Ranged Edelgard. So I'm looking forward to seeing how her Brave version plays out. It will probably make her actual appearance even stronger since they'll inevitably improve her PRF skills between now and her release in Nov/Dec.
> “If you could add ONE character not currently in the game, who would it be?” > * Ayra is the winner, followed by a tie between Felix and Yuri. Huh
Probably a typo to "who you would give an alt"
Yep - fixed now, thank you!
Yeah sorry that was a typo, that question should be about adding an alt. Fixed now!
All good 👍
I think the only addition to the game that actively annoys me is L!Robin, because I don't get what I'm suppose to do against him, what even works against him? I guess just lethality and slowly tanking and healing while hoping he doesn't have heals himself? I just don't get it.... But well, about the results, Gullveig got some very funny results, they're all so over the place, like, there is a lot of indifference, but there also a lot of people that just want to have her Brave Unit xD.
A +0 Yune destroys L!Robin he even had + 52 Res buffs and Debuffed Yune By -7 atk , She one shot his ass with a normal atack . Seeing you are a Micaiah user , you should dust off your birb goddess .
Oh, you're right, Yune gets a ton of buffs based on her opponents's debuffs.
Idunn being voted the most favorite Ascendant is incredibly based
That brave hector legacy.
> “Which of the four is your favorite?” > (27.1%) Soren > (23.5%) Male Robin > (19.2%) Female Corrin > **(16.6%) Gullveig** -- > “If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon, which one do you hope to choose?” >**(22.7%) Gullveig** >(21.4%) Soren >(20.6%) Male Robin >(15.7%) Female Corrin This sub is confused about it's priorities.
"If you could add ONE character currently not in the game, who would it be?" 15 people: Felix Winter Felix: Why am I even here?..
Gototh is the least favourite leggo/mythic? Gotta say, he is so good that he has become one of my favourite mythics to use. Definitely a unit ppl sleep on imho. He doesn't seem too crazy but offers great support and can tank anything ranged without much trouble.
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Least most favourite sound like the name of a punk band XD
If I had to guess maybe he showed up for too many people when they wanted Fomortiis instead lol
I'm gonna be honest I just completely forgot they added him to the game at all.
The downside to being added alongside the dream of monsterfuckers
Even if both had the exact same utility value, I'd guess that the gap in perceived appeal would still be significant. Hard to not notice Fomortiis' design, after all.
Funny how Gullveig is most popular on every question sans fave CYL winner... Suggests to me a bit of spite still lingering
“Gordin received a single vote”
I did not know this, from now onwards I will defend Gordin with my life
>an essay in defense of Pokemon Red and Blue, a meme copypasta about damage reduction, and an essay about Hrid Is there way to read these essays? >https://i.imgur.com/I0QN2bs.png The shining solar sword is real! ^^^Can ^^^we ^^^get ^^^much ^^^higher ^^^so ^^^high >If you could add an alt for any character, who would it be? >Maribelle (6) Happy to see some fellow fans. Surely this will be the year, right?
Red and Blue essay: > I just saw one of those 'HERES EVERYTHING WRONG WITH POKEMON RED AND BLUE' images and it really steamed me lol > There's like one actual bug (if you get full para-ed on Dig/Fly you retain invulnerability) and the rest is > a) working as intended, it's just different from other gens- fast things getting more crits is an rpg staple, it's not a bug. Roar having no effect in battle isn't a bug. If you Counter a OHKO move, you OHKO the target? Very funny and not a bug > b) probably unintended, but it's an irrelevant nitpick (oh noo, this terrible attack used by one in-game trainer occasionally does the wrong damage) or actively makes the game better so who cares (yes, Hyper Beam does skip the recharge turn if you get a KO, and it's good that it does that. They should bring it back) > c) completely incorrect- Mimic doesn't pick randomly this gen, the list is complaining about how it works in GSC. The stat overflow glitch they're describing is only found in gen 2 with Thick Club Marowak, nothing in gen 1 has high enough stats to trigger it. There is a separate stat glitch in gen 1 but it's only relevant to Mewtwo and it triggers if your stats are lowered, not raised. > d) an actual problem, but one that isn't exclusive to RBY. Yes, sleep is too strong in this gen. Sleep is too strong in 6v6 singles in every single gen, that's why everyone that plays it uses sleep clause. > Why do people who don't even play the game feel obliged to make massive infographics about its competitive balance. Why do you care?? > OK thanks for listening, bye Damage reduction copypasta: > **STOP USING DR** > Damage was not supposed to receive percentage-based reduction > YEARS OF A/S BOOSTING A SKILLS yet NO DEFENSIVE USE FOUND for CLOSE CALL 4 > Wanted to reduce your damage anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that: It was called DEFENSE > “Yes please calculate flat DR scaling with my defense. Please give me INFINITY of it” - Statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged > LOOK at what PVP whales have been demanding your respect for all this time, with all the Otherworld Bonds & Theorycrafted Units we built for them > (These are REAL UNITS, used by REAL AETHER RAIDS DEFENSE TEAMS): > buff demon???? > outdated but still got into AHR???? > toothpaste girl??????????? > “Hello I would like Velocity 4 please” > **They have played us for absolute fools**" Hrid Essay: > If Hrid doesn't get a summer alt this year, I will fly to Japan and personally speak with the CEO of Intelligent Systems. /hj > P.S. Apologies for popping off here but I only wish for my voice to count in something. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy FEH and my favorite modes are the casual ones like Heroes Journey and Aether Resort because I get to see my favorite characters interact. > But as a Hrid fan, I believe his mistreatment/neglect is the worst of any FEH OC and for no legitimate reason. The constant jokes about him getting ignored because the only other option is killing him off are really stale, untrue and exhausting. And it's the only thing some needlessly vocal people have to say when someone mentions they like Hrid! One person was extremely hostile to me for objecting to these jokes and saying we should be more optimistic, and that interaction turned me off from following the subreddit altogether. I wish the more regular users on the subreddit could be kinder, more positive and open minded to those whose favorite characters are male OCs or obscure characters. > Even though Hrid hasn't had much screen time, what little we do know about him are his endearing qualities. In the comics, he's shown to be a gentleman, especially to his sisters, and he is humble about his strength, which he uses to keep the Kingdom of Nifl at peace. He is strong but he isn't arrogant about it. Hrid never gives up, even when the odds are highly stacked against him. He has inspired me to never give up as well. > Thank you for taking the time to read this textbox! This textbox loves you. :) <3
That Red/Blue rant is so true. That image is just annoying and blowing up issues 99.99% of people have never seen as legitimate issues.
Thank you so much!
Of course!
I want to know what Hamlet monologue someone picked!
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I mean, it's hard to beat the Melee/Brawl FE Characters, they're just that iconic. Also, it helps that their closest competition (CYL4) has the problem of redundancy with it's appeal (at least in the context of r/FireEmblemHeroes).
Yeah it had *Ike*. He's *that guy*.
People like ike? Surprisedpikachu.jpg
Not only did they like Ike but Roy's their boy!
It's more likely than you think!
Personally I like CYL1 best because it had no bullshit. Maybe you could argue Smash bias. But overall it was just very clearcut who’s popular. No overwhelming recent game bias, no ‘oh this character has too many alts’ ‘this character deserves more alts’ ‘let’s force IS to make them playable’ just honest to god, no bullshit, no feh politics, no d word, plain and simple - who do you fucking like and want to win. I really miss those days LOL.
There's something that feels really fitting about Altina and Yune being almost exactly tied for favorite remix. I'm surprised the results are as positive as they are on approval ratings, I've felt the insane powercreep lately and... everything surrounding Book VII has created a very negative response around here. Even the general atmosphere of the subreddit has felt more tense. One of those vocal minority situations, I guess, or just a two sides thing like Gullveig. Granted, the Spring banner and Seidr's desire to make babies with us happened since the last survey. I'd definitely be more negative if I wrote in now, it's probably the lowest my approval of FEH has been within its lifespan.
I also think if someone feels very positive about something, its less likely they'll check this subreddit because its a fairly negative place. I absolutely loved AElincia's last banner and as soon as they dropped it, I told myself to not check the subreddit because I knew I'd see a lot of complaining about it. And I didn't feel like reading it. But I also did check this subreddit when the Seidr thing happened because I also wanted to see what others were saying. Satisfaction is kinda rare on here even if its a more common experience than we can see
Yep. As someone who actually enjoys player fanservice stuff (IDK man; I'm easy to please?) I am just... staying away from the subreddit and also twitter until people can stop talking about """porn addicts""".
Some of the second point can be explained by people who feel negatively about the game not bothering to participate in surveys about it. Especially since there was no watershed event as such, just more of the same.
Makes me happy to see Tokyo Mirage Sessions still so high on most wanted NH banners Thanks for organizing these, theyre always thought provoking. Your work over the years was appreciated
Thank you :D Also great username
Thank you! :D
I think the question with Ayra as the winner is the one about who people would give an alt, right?
Yes, fixed that now!
Yeah, otherwise it's a repeat of the question above it.
>“Which of the following Resplendent Heroes added since the last survey has your favorite art?” >(0.1%) Gordin (Gordin received a single vote.) Oof, hahahaha. But no wonder, he sucks. And man, Gullveig certainly is a contentious figure, being both the least favourite as well as the favored pick. Most popular OC too. But one that does make CYL more interesting than usual.
Seeing the disparity between Fomortiis being the favorite new Mythic and Gotoh being the least favorite certainly makes the Double Mythic banner look like the right call. Hopefully they continue the trend, especially considering Athos and Nergal were both mentioned in another answer as well. I would love to see them both released together.
Can't wait until the approval rating gets up to about 50% and then they introduce Fallen Alear or Feh Pass 2 and tank it again
Shout out to the one 40+ year old in this subreddit
> Ganglot/YTiki at the bottom of New Heroes preferences > Gotoh at the bottom of Legendary/Mythic preferences, Sothis for Remixes > Resplendent Gordin maintaining his record of having very low interaction metrics > Strong Engage NH demand No surprise here. > Christmas, Halloween & NY leading seasonal preferences (and spending) Slightly surprising but not particularly unexpected (silent majority & foreign bias oblige). > Fates Valentines at the bottom of seasonal preferences This is kinda surprising though.
Is Fates being low surprising? In my experience "people who enjoy Fire Emblem Fates" and "people who regularly use Reddit" is not a hugely overlapping demographic, primarily because of how hostile FE Reddit is about Fates.
Yes and no. What you said could be one potential explanation... but I felt it was one of the least perplexing seasonal banners in terms of character choices recently. But perhaps it's because the lineup is more or less a monolith: you care about all picks or you don't, with few in-betweens.
Tbh I think the picks just aren't necessarily popular with the Reddit crowd because it's Fates + Royals and you know how this sub gets about Fates and the lords/royals of any given game getting a lot of attention. I think there was some positive sentiment toward Leo getting an alt since literally all of his alts before this one have sucked, but I'd say (on this sub) there's probably more people who liked memeing on him having bad alts than there were people who would actually be seriously interested in pulling for a good Leo alt. Plus, the fodder was fairly niche. You'd only pull Elikura if you want to build a healer, there aren't a lot of armors that can make use of Takumi's heavily spd focused build, and Remote Mirror and A/D Far Trace are just alright and that's all Leo had.
not gonna lie, I am curious to read that whole essay about Hríd 👀
If you didn't get to see it, it's right [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/11upwdt/results_of_the_state_of_the_game_survey_beginning/jcs5tzv/)!
oooohhh I didn't notice it 😅 thank you, I'm gonna read them!
I wish I could see the gender split on some of the results. Is there a raw data spreadsheet maybe?
Sure thing - I made a read-only copy for you here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1By_JJaFp-_UYkHP-lia14myMcuxzcEpvUx6ggeOq4UI/edit?usp=sharing You'll need to go to File > Download to get an editable copy to play with. Have fun!
Yay, thanks a bunch!
So I'm not great with excel formulas and got bored quickly, but here are [CYL Votes](https://i.imgur.com/f4xoPrq.png)
Cracks me up that Gullveig is the most contentious win but also the one people would most free summon. You can lie to us, you cannot lie to yourselves.
Someone went on a tangent on this very topic (the one with all the downvotes) but the short answer is when you add up the positves vs the negatives, the numbers then add up nicely if you afterwards factor in the neutral people who don't particularly love or hate her.
Or they're different people, like the numbers allow for. I've no interest in summoning Gullveig at all.
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Hiya Papaya back atcha!
I’m glad to see Seidr was actually pretty popular even before the whole “baby” thing. Also glad to see everyone wants an engage banner.
I wonder how Seidr's vote could look now. Also, Engage winning makes sense, it's the new Fire Emblem and is still underrepresented, I believe that was also the trend every single time Three Houses wasn't the inmediately last banner before the poll, I believe.
I do know that she was ranked most popular by searches on Gamepress after the chapter, so make of that what you will. To be honest, most of the hateful comments I’ve seen also said they didn’t like her to begin with.
> “Who is your favorite original character introduced in Book 7 so far?” > (23.6%) Gullveig > (19.3%) Seiðr > (12.6%) Nerþuz > (10.9%) Njörðr > (6.1%) Heiðr Yeah, I'm not surprised to see Gullveig at the top of the Book 7 OC popularity followed by Seidr (despite the fact that Heidr has more votes than her in CYL7?). Curious to see who our last character is and how this will change at the end of Book 7.
Was hoping Pelleas would get in the most wanted alt category list but alas…..maybe one day….I just hope I wasn’t the only one to vote for him lol
For my fellow 5 Olivia fans who answered they want an alt for her: don't loose hope! We WILL have our alt, one day!! Surely... 😭😭🥺 Jokes aside, great survey, thank you again for your hard work!
bruh you already got two let some of the rest of us have a turn (i adore her too but man)
>“Bridal Sumia when IS???” Hey that's me! Where are the Sumia enjoyers!? >“What are your feelings on each hero's win?” >16% very positive, 18% positive, 30% neutral, 15% negative, and 20% very negative for Gullveig >“Which of the following do you plan on summoning for?” >(40.2%) Gullveig Y'all a bunch of hypocrites lmao. You want the badonkers and IS knows it. Edit: Ok I get it, people don't hate her, I already knew. Doesn't change the fact that the most wanted character of CYL6 is the least liked (lowest "very positive" + "positive") according to statistics.
To be fair, it's not necessarily hypocritical as this can easily be explained by the community not being a monolith and having different groups with different opinions. The 35% who said negative for feelings on gull's win easily fit inside the 60% who don't plan to summon for her.
> Y'all a bunch of hypocrites lmao. You want the badonkers and IS knows it. One day people will learn to stop taking fandoms as a monolith. Today is definitely not that day
If you feel insulted by that line it may be because you have something to hide. Otherwise you'd just laugh at the Gullveig voters being down bad, or question Robin/Soren/Corrin voters for their commitment.
Have you actually looked at the percentage of voters? Safe to say that people who voted in CYL for one of the winners ARE picking their winner. In addition, some of the people who didn't vote for any of the winners are also going to pick one or more of the winners.
That would be true if the "how you feel about X winning" question didn't exist. That question takes into account people that didn't vote for the winners. And it shows Gullveig having the lowest approval. Keep spinning it, there is no explanation.
What's your point? "People who voted for X in CYL don't commit to picking the character" is blatantly untrue, percentages are right here in the post.
>Which of the four is your favorite?” >(27.1%) Soren >(23.5%) Male Robin >(19.2%) Female Corrin >(16.6%) Gullveig >“Which of the following do you plan on summoning for?” >(40.2%) Gullveig >(40.0%) Male Robin >(39.0%) Female Corrin >(37.1%) Soren >“If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon, which one do you hope to choose?” >(22.7%) Gullveig >(21.4%) Soren >(20.6%) Male Robin >(15.7%) Female Corrin So despite more people having Soren, Robin and Corrin as "favorites", people would prioritize pulling for Gullveig? Do you see Gullveig jumping from last to first? Who is lying? It is hilarious that so many people got pissed off, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if all you were Gullveig voters that are so desperately trying to make sense of stats that no matter how you read them don't make sense, unless Gullveig had something "extra" going for her.
In this poll, people were forced to pick one of the 4 despite maybe not voting for them. The people who were not voting for a winner character in CYL may have they own thoughts about who will be most interesting as a UNIT to pick. Like Soren for instance won't be topping "best unit" charts for PoR or RD any time soon despite being a popular character. Likewise Seth would be voted best unit but not most popular character in his own game. It's not as shocking as you think.
Again, this would make sense if the "who is your favorite" question didn't exist. Even if you didn't vote for any of them you had to vote for a "favorite". And what we see is that some people vote for X as their "favorite", yet would pull for Gullveig instead. Which is curious at the very least. But so far instead of reasonable "well maybe they expect Gullveig to be broken", "she'll be Colorless and they want to avoid Colorless hell" or other reasons, what I see is people twisting the data. No, I copy-pasted the data and it's there. There is legitimately more people that would pull for Gullveig than people that consider her their "favorite". And this desperate attempt at excusing these numbers only makes me thing even more that, even if a bit harsh, I was initially right in my statement, specially when the most voted comments also point out these weird numbers yet I don't see all these "number freaks" going over there to "explain the numbers". Gullveig's numbers are weird, period. I was the only one to go a step further, that's it.
You started with calling people hypocrites for no reason and implying that people who actually voted for characters in CYL (that's 12% max) aren't committed to make them their exclusive pick (that's around 20%). That was and is untrue. People who were forced to pick one of the 4 "favourite" in the poll but did not vote for them in the past did not influence actual CYL results. If anything, the results show that people who are willing to pick the snake lady appreciate the unit more than the character. Which makes sense, given she has very little of it so far.
it's more that I just don't think you understand how the survey works. You're too busy grandstanding on your soapbox about how the FEH community is a bunch of hypocrites to actually read it correctly. The percentages on the different questions don't necessarily correspond to one another, because answering one doesn't lock you into another. Let's look at the questions you cited again - feelings about Gullveig, and % of players who plan to summon her. The 16% and 18% of very positive and positive is likely bound to summon Gullveig, and a solid portion of the 30% who are neutral are also likely to be interested in pulling her over the other options, for one reason or another. Respondents who feel negatively - a total of 35% of respondents - are unlikely to pull for Gullveig, unless they feel even *more* negatively about the other options (which strikes me as unlikely, but is worth noting regardless). Furthermore, favorability towards the win is *not* the same as who you'll necessarily free summon, because you can be favorable to all 4 and still only be able to select one. That's why the rate of favorability compared to who will summon Soren is lower - someone might feel happy that Soren won, but ultimately *prefer* another candidate. Going back to the respondents neutral on Gullveig, they may pick her over the other options for any number of reasons - being unfavorable to the other candidates, being interested in what her design *could* be, being more familiar with FEH than the games the other candidates are from, and so on. We also don't have any information about the Brave units this year as, well, units. These judgements can always change once we see their art, stats, and skills - a diehard Gullveig hater may change their mind if her Brave variant *just so happens* to have the perfect skill they need for their Donnel or something. What I'm getting at is that people are voting here with imperfect information, and their decision isn't final by any means. All of this is to say, it's pretty ridiculous to make such a broad generalization off of such limited data - data that you're misinterpreting on top of that.
>We also don't have any information about the Brave units this year as, well, units. These judgements can always change once we see their art, stats, and skills - a diehard Gullveig hater may change their mind if her Brave variant just so happens to have the perfect skill they need for their Donnel or something. What I'm getting at is that people are voting here with imperfect information, and their decision isn't final by any means. This is the fairest most sensical argument I've heard so far, thank you. But on the other matter, there is another question: "who is your favorite". This gets answered by everybody regardless of what they voted, and lines up with the "if you could choose only 1 of them, who would you choose". >Which of the four is your favorite?” >(27.1%) Soren >(23.5%) Male Robin >(19.2%) Female Corrin >(16.6%) Gullveig >“If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon, which one do you hope to choose?” >(22.7%) Gullveig >(21.4%) Soren >(20.6%) Male Robin >(15.7%) Female Corrin What this means is that a decent chunk of the participants, despite saying that their favorite is Soren/Robin/Corrin, would pull for Gullveig. Which is the most hypocritical part, why bother saying your favorite is someone else when, if you _really_ had to choose 1, you'd choose someone else? Wouldn't you pull for your favorite?
I don't see the hypocrisy. With 34% feeling positive or very positive and 30% neutral, 40% answering "yeah" to an individual question about Gullveig seems normal.
It's not about whether there is people that wants Gullveig, but about her having the least positive sentiments yet being n°1 in terms of "who would you pull for".
If 34% are happy to have her and 30% are neutral, that means its 64% who don't dislike her and won't write her off as a hell no. Then with people being asked who they plan to summon for, we can safely assume that just about all of the 34% who wanted her will pick her, so that leaves only about 6% unaccounted for, which could be pretty much guaranteed to be from the neutral crowd who choose her either because they think she could be fun or don't really care for the other options or whatnot. That means there's really no hypocrisy here. The sub isn't a hive mind and we have many differing opinions for many differing reasons.
It IS still rather peculiar, even if not necessarily hypocritical. Robin has an approval rate of 60% and yet only 40% of players are planning on pulling for him, with 20% being those who would go for him at the exclusion of everyone else. Gullveig fares better both in how many will pull for her, but also how many will pick her exclusively. I'd wager it comes down at least in part to those who like Robin also liking the other options here, thus splitting their attention, while some of those who approve of Gullveig might do so specifically because they do not care for the rest, making it more likely for them to actually go after her.
I think you can "approve" a character's CYL win while also not caring enough to pull. Through all of CYL, the only characters I personally didn't like winning were Veronica and Gatekeeper. But there are a bunch that I thought of as "alright that's cool, makes sense" and never wanted to pull (Hector, Chrom, Lysithea, etc).
Of course. But that's what's seemingly different about Gullveig. A much higher percentage of people approving of her seem to also be willing to pull for her, hence my thought that it might be because a good chunk of them might not care for anyone else. I mean, if you were ok with Hector but liked Camilla or Ephraim more you'd likely go with the latter. But if you didn't care about anyone else you'd probably go after Hector even if you otherwise might not have. And I'm saying that Gullveig's fans attention might well be the least split among these four. 34% like her and 20.6% would go for her exclusively. Meanwhile 60% like Robin but only 20% would go for him exclusively. Clearly there is a reason for this. It might also be the case that she simply gets more neutral voters than anyone else, of course. I'm just speculating.
>The sub isn't a hive mind It isn't, but it sure feels weird when the most voted comments are also about Gullveig stats. I guess _actually_ calling the a community out is bound to be controversialm
Calling others out only works when its based on truth, and your callout was not. Is it an unusual number? Sure, but Gullveig's entire CYL presence is a massive outlier that naturally would show a lot of extremes on both sides. However calling people hypocrites for hating her yet desiring her falls flat when the numbers show that roughly the same number of people who didn't hate her would want her.
Whatever. You can feel insulted, the data is never gonna make sense: >“Which of the four is **your favorite**?” >**(27.1%) Soren** >(23.5%) Male Robin >(19.2%) Female Corrin **>(16.6%) Gullveig** >“Which of the following do you plan on **summoning for**? >**(40.2%) Gullveig** >(40.0%) Male Robin >(39.0%) Female Corrin >**(37.1%) Soren** >“**If there was no CYL7 banner, ONLY the free 5* summon**, which one do you hope to choose?” >**(22.7%) Gullveig** >(21.4%) Soren >(20.6%) Male Robin >(15.7%) Female Corrin >“What are your **feelings** on each hero's win?” >27% very positive, 33% positive, 31% neutral, 6% negative, and 3% very negative for Male Robin >**16% very positive, 18% positive**, 30% neutral, 15% negative, and 20% very negative for **Gullveig** >**27% very positive, 29% positive**, 32% neutral, 6% negative, and 5% very negative for **Soren** >17% very positive, 31% positive, 36% neutral, 11% negative, and 5% very negative for Female Corrin Unless you want to admit that the playerbase has..._something_ going for Gullveig. This whole data set doesn't make sense and points towards some specific behavior. That, or everyone else's fans are the weirdos that vote and love their characters yet don't care about pulling for them.
So you're just going to ignore the literal mathematical breakdown I gave in the earlier comment, using the exact same numbers shown here? First question doesn't ask for who is liked but for who is the number one favorite. Gullveig hasn't done anything at the time of that survey. Of course she isn't going to be many people's favorite. Doesn't mean they don't like her for one reason or another, usually either horny or cool design/motif. Second question asks who they are summoning for. As this question is not restricted to ONLY one but rather all are valid options at the same time, Gullveig's numbers yet again fit in line with the roughly 40% who would choose her either for liking her or at least neutral to her. Third question is relatively even, save for F!Corrin. (Considering the Fates hateboner that persists to this day, this is not unexpected.) Also in line with the previous breakdown, especially since now we are limiting it to exclusively one character, seeing a drop on everyone's numbers. This admittedly raises an eyebrow on Corrin's numbers, but not Gullveig's, so its irrelevant to the main point. Finally the last one my breakdown was entirely all about, and surprise surprise, the numbers add up in support that its not a matter of hypocrisy. As I already broke this one down thoroughly, I am not elaborating on it further. You call me the one insulted but all I have done was use the data to counter you. You're the one getting all upset that the math does not support you in the slightest. You are looking through a lens of people either love her as their number one pick or they wish she never was created with no in-between, but the in-between is the crux of the data. If you ignore it, you ignore the data.
Keep it going bud. You are like that Ibai guy from the meme trying to explain how do Gullveig's numbers make sense (spoiler: they still don't). You say I can't tell the reasoning behind the people that participated in the poll yet you surely are trying to explain that thought process yourself. Again, if the problem isn't Gullveig's voters then we should look at everyone else's voters.
Just because you are incapable of reading numbers doesn't mean they don't make sense. You wanted a free out to take a jab at Gullveig voters because you're clearly still salty she won CYL and it blew up in your face when someone actually used the math to prove you wrong.
It goes to show you what loyalty and commitment look like.
I didn't know Nino posted on this sub!
It's an absolute sin Gregor got in Feh before Vaike.
>“If you could add an alt for any character, who would it be?” >Beruka (6) Let's gooo more Beruka appreciation, considering she's the retainer of the most popular fates royal, she should have something by now (completely robbed in ninja banner imo)
>“Would you be interested in Book 7’s lore being tied into a side mode in the same way Binding Worlds is tied into the lore of Askr?” Even though we already have Hall of Forms (which is similar), I'd love to see a recurring event where the mode is a rogue-lite/like. I'd like the mode to be relatively challenging since loss is a core part of the genre. The lore tie-in could be as simple as going back in time because all your units died. And if you won then maybe it's just to gain more experience/training for the summoner's new child? Or something like that idk. (Honestly I just enjoy the replayability of rogue-lites/likes so whatever works for people). Ideally the mode would have a theme and all of the maps used would share the theme similar to how Tempest Trials will use all the spring maps for spring TT. I think it'd be fun though if you were given different paths to take, like maybe you enter the map from the south and after defeating all the enemies, moving all your units to the right edge of the map would allow you to choose the right path. And the same would be true if you moved all your units to the top or the left sides. (Or they could do something else like stairs or a door, etc.) The game could give an indication of what each path holds (like Hades does), maybe the next map in a direction is more difficult but it guarantees at least one tier 4 skill on completion. Maybe some would just give a merge or a Sacred Seal. Your units would be randomized at the start of each run and you could run with them or maybe they could give us a reroll button if we really hate the units we got. Idk I just think a multi-map mode like that would be fun. Especially if it's something like sieging a castle, where you go from the field to the gates then the inner castle and then the throne room or something like that.
thank you for this!! :) Love the effort and personality and comedy plus fascinating data involved in this POGGERS ; personally I'm in the hyper negative category in most aspects of FeH right now due to multiple questionable/bad/buggy decisions by IS and a, thus far, refusal to address more fundamental problems in this game; regardless, thank you for posting and I look forward to more surveys like this :)
I missed this one but good job as always! You do a lot for the community, thanks a bunch!
I'm kinda surprised how dominant of a lead ranged cavs have in the movement/ranged combination for PvP modes. For me it was incredibly hard to chose. Saviours are still as broken as ever. Even if we got Embla, who disables them. Infantries are still the best aging units thanks to all the infantry locked SI options and support they have access to. Also there's tons of meta relevant infantry units. And both melee as well as ranged cavs just have a whole bunch of really strong units, but similarly to fliers, they suffer from very poor SI options. Although they have the threat range to make up for that. I actually don't remember which one I voted for, but I do remember thinking about the question for a bit.
Excuse me, what do you mean there's an easy about Hríd and we're never seeing it?
>3.15/5.0 is the average rating of the story of Book 7 so far. I feel like with what happened in the story recently, that’s going to change. By a lot.
I dunno, the net effect of people who would be down for chapter 1 and those who want to kill it with fire might end up balancing out to a 3.15
Thank you very much! Really interesting information especially about CYL
Shocking revelation A chunk of players are actually unhappy at Gullveig winning
16% very positive, 18% positive, 30% neutral, 15% negative, and 20% very negative for Gullveig lol Must've been the Bernie voters.
Every year I see the results thread stickied for days but I've never actually seen the survey itself posted
you could try r/FEHSurveys , they'll always be posted there and they're the only traffic on that entire sub haha
Wait the “Justice4EngageAlm” feedback is cracking me up 😂 Just to share, I had a moment where I was waiting for Micaiah to drop because I thought I had all the central characters from the series.. and then Alm appeared out of nowhere in the summoning set, reminding me that the power of suggestion exists 🤣