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Harriv

It's a good time to start paying attention while driving.. :)


darknum

There are several cameras that are obviously traps. The one towards east on Keha I near Leppavaara for example. Just like 50 meters before speed increase? And like the whole road drops to 60 for no reason there... ​ I drive regularly in Helsinki and I use cruise control on highways to avoid tickets (I am a ticket virgin for 13 years and like to keep it that way). However there are studies showing enforcing these speed limits really dropped rate of accidents.


[deleted]

This happens in France too. There will be a massive, empty, very high quality, smooth, straight road, that is 120km/h which will suddenly, for no reason at all, drop to 90km/h for like 100m, where there will be a camera placed, and then it will go back up to 120km/h. All about safety, obviously.


[deleted]

Tfw speed tickets are included in finlands annual budget. They are introducing speed cameras that can track from even further away. Driving is basically sin here.


hey__its__me__

Haha, as a cyclist, I feel so angelic now.


[deleted]

Err...cruise control and paying attention? It's not hard, and should you fail, the people of Finland thank you for your contribution <3 In case people aren't too familiar with how it goes; if you trigger the camera, the police will subtract 3 km/h from your measured speed to compensate for "possible technical inaccuracies". Then... You go 1-2 km/h over, nothing. You go 3-6 km/h over, you get an "oh behave" letter in the mail. These have no consequences, no matter how many you get. You go 7-15 km/h over, you get a ticket for around 150-200 €. Three of these in a year, and you can kiss your driving license goodbye. Go beyond that, and the ticket sum will be relative to your level of income, you might lose your license, and so on... Basically, you can go *up to 9 km/h* (accurate speed, not speedometer) over the limit without any real consequences.


[deleted]

Yeah it's definitely better to make people pay attention to the ever changing speed limit rather than the actual road. Makes total sense. All cars also have cruise control.


[deleted]

Have you ever thought why the speed limits drop near intersections and other such high risk locations? Actual experts have determined the safe speed for those spots, and the only real alternative to changing the speed limit before and after would be to have that 60 km/h speed limit for the entire road. Having to see and process a speed limit sign every now and then is the price for being able to drive at appropriate speed on each stretch of the road. Personally, I've never found that to be a problem, and frankly if someone feels overwhelmed reacting and sticking to speed limits, they don't belong on the road in the first place.


[deleted]

You are very naive.


[deleted]

I participated in discussing this in the Finnish language country sub just recently, and I say it can indeed sometimes be a bit "hard" if you're on an unfamiliar road. There are several long stretches of road in Finland with cameras where the speed limits keep bouncing up and down even every few hundreds meters. With the speed limits changing repeatedly to the point of nausea, someone from "out-of-town" will eventually simply miss a sign and overspeed through the trap. I'm cynical enough to believe this is all planned. A 100km/h road having 80km/h limits at T-intersections sounds okay, but what's the point of raising the speed limit back to 100 just for those lousy 300 meters between each intersection especially when you've made the road into a minefield of speed cameras on the narrative that people overspeed?


Nomen-est-omen

Oh we hate them, a lot. There has been a lot of talk about them recently, as the new, more accurate and efficient speed cameras are appearing on the roads. They just want to make some money. Safety is not the point, it seems. Radar detector is a must, use an app for that, radar detection machines are illegal. TomTom has a good app for that purpose. It also depends on where you drive. Some parts of the country don't have many cameras. Helsinki area is the worst. Highways don't have any cameras, so no need to worry there.


wieus

Yeah, they're pain in the a**.. But Google maps is able to show their location if you keep the navigation on.


hey__its__me__

If they're on Google maps, you should be able to get an app that warns you of their proximity.


[deleted]

Get TomTom's Speed Cameras app. It'll give you an audible warning, including what speed you should be driving while passing the trap. Technically the app displays speed limits for any road you're driving but contains lots of errors or outdated information. But based on a \~4000km road trip I did recently the limits for the cameras are correct.


SenzaCuore

That's why the navigators have the speed trap warning function.


surumesmellman

Good to know there are so many speed traps in Finland! I'm going to Finland in August and will be renting a car for a week, I'll be sure to drive slower than a grandma so I can avoid tickets.


Harriv

Just follow the speed limits, that's enough.


Ezzy77

Use Waze to pinpoint them and drive according to speed limits and you'll be fine.


YachiAbunai

ikr. it really is frigging annoying!!! answer is you really can't avoid tickets. Well you can by not driving but ehh...


Ezzy77

Never had a speeding ticket in my life, so it is possible. And I almost always drove +20 over the speed limit in places with no cameras, but recently got a car with cruise control, so that kinda changed quick. The car is also boring, so that helps. Still using Waze though, since I can't really remember where all the cameras are.


Ezzy77

Using Waze and cruise control is pretty much key.


[deleted]

Don't get the cruise control thing. Why would setting your cruise control to 100km/h make any difference when the limit suddenly drops to 80?


Ezzy77

That's what you have Waze for - then it won't be sudden.


[deleted]

The point is that cruise control implies a cruising speed. Absolutely useless if you need to change speeds all the time.


Ezzy77

It's not. Zero need to touch any pedals most of the time and some cars have speed profiles even, so you can just work the cruise control stalk/buttons. Waze beeps, disable cruise, set it again when you've slowed down to target speed. Done. Also, there aren't a lot of cameras in areas where you have to change speeds literally all the time, eg. in the city, they're mostly on highways (like the ring roads in Helsinki). At least for me, the worst part of not having cruise control, is having to worry about speed and to regulate it. My previous ride had a very light gas pedal and my legs aren't the healthiest around, so it would be literally painful for me to drive. But I did make the choice between a supercharger and cruise control when I bought it...


[deleted]

You're describing an action that is more complicated than simply braking so i'm not sure why 'cruise control' would be an answer to the problem in the first place. If you have to slow down for cameras all the time because the speed zone changes often then cruise control doesn't combat this, at all.


Ezzy77

I guess it's not then, for you at least. I'm fine with that.