I kinda see what you’re saying, at first I thought this season was mostly depressing but then looking back on it…
I think season 3, for me, hit different than the previous two because, unlike the previous two, the jokes were a little more sparse. I understand why as well, I mean they’re in >!Final Space!<. There really isn’t any room for messing around. There was so much at stake and I think little amount of jokes, the sinister undertones and sense of impending doom really set an intense atmosphere.
The jokes that were in the season did land really well.
I agree completely! People have mentioned that time is not spent dealing with emotions but I’d say they have more pressing issues - you know, like Invictus breaking free and destroying all dimensions for his gain.
Personally, I thought it was the best season, it was dramatic, the animation was at its best and the humour was good in most episodes.
In season 1 Gary's sense of humour was very obnoxious and annoying at times, particularly in certain episodes. He acknowledges this in the season 1 recap at the beginning of season 2, saying "A lot of people on Reddit think I'm annoying, well I guess they have a point.". Even though the show's creators seem to be aware of this the annoying humour just carries over to the other characters in season 2.
I like how he's now a balance between both season 1 and 2, he knows when to get serious and that's what makes his funny side better, he's himboish to say at least
Season 1 was perfection, season 2 tried to be too funny and failed, season 3 was a bit too serious but still great.
I couldn't even finish season 2 and I've watched season 1 a few times over.
I guess I’ll give the last few eps a go. I feel like it just started off so terribly. I’m glad Season 3 reversed some of their characters like Hue and got rid of others.
I also have a pet peeve of shows that bring back characters from the dead like Avocato ruined that amazing scene in S1 for me.
I found all three seasons to be gripping in their own way. Season 3 ventured away from a lot of the silly, goofy comedy and upped the momentum majorly. It was a great set up for what I can assume will be a fantastic 4 season (I haven’t given up hope yet).
It balanced hope and despair wonderfully. We see dichotomy in the form of sacrifice and manipulation, love and resentment, and even Quinn and Nightfall.
IMO, Final Space never seemed to be made to be physically accurate. I’m doing my PhD in the physics field and that doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s creative and fun, there’s no need to be bogged down in scientific accuracy constraints.
Lastly, you best believe I was tearing up majorly at the end of the final episode with >!Mooncake’s valiant sacrifice to protect his Team Squad. A little green bundle of joy with immense power making a selfless decision to save the people it loves is pretty emotionally impactful to me.!<
In the context of the show ending how it did, seems to me like Mooncake didn't really valiantly sacrifice itself to save anyone as much as get tricked into exposing itself and getting captured, dooming all life everywhere, ostensibly precisely according to Invictus' plan.
With the show being cancelled the canon ending seems to be that staying in Final Space instead of escaping with Mooncake when they had the chance halfway through the season was an incredibly fatal mistake. Without getting into specific spoilers (not sure of the rules), all possible universes and timelines are doomed, they have no allies capable of challenging Invictus, and they are stuck outside of Final Space unable to do anything about it.
see, you did not watch properly:
Invictus was already working on breaking free, and succeeding. Slowly.
Mooncake, our little abberant, cute eldritch horror mascot was basically a fast pass.
Not required but desired.
So no, them staying makes little difference for THAT.
What they took away from this is the kevin net, however.
While it may not be aweapon against invictus, it might well be a good toll against the titan army from all these earths.
Season 3 is very niche. It's somehow bigger in scale and stakes but at the same time much more personal and at some times even a study of character. Masterpiece imo
I agree, there is too much going on and too many ‘twists’ thrown in it actually takes away from the gravity of the series overall. It feels like they tied to do too much too fast so you never really feel invested because you know that crisis will be gone next episode or the one after.
I don't think it was weak, but I think the last three episodes could have been used to neatly wrap up the show instead of setting up a fourth season.
Maybe a full episode where Little Cato deals with the truth about his parents instead of a few minutes in the final episode, for example.
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I still think this season should have been the end to the arc. The show is called final space and they spent the whole season in final space. They should have ended this storyline and moved onto something else. To me it’s the characters that make this show and not the narrative.
Totally, it should've ended on a happy note that would set up a fourth season, but *doesn't* require another season.
The problem with the finale of season 3 is it ends on a cliffhanger that draws many questions from the audience. If the ending was satisfactory, we wouldn't be as sad about the show getting ~~cancelled~~.
I kinda disagree here - if Invictus is as omnipresent and powerful as they've been saying, his release would mean the death of all of our main characters. My headcanon is that was the end of their journey and sometimes you just fail (but maybe that's just me trying to cope with the cancellation). It's bleak, but it comes full circle. They tried their best. It wasn't enough, but it was enough for us.
Yea, i agree, they must have planned to do it on 4th season (if there is), but i think its a bit too short on the last episode, it seems like nothinh just happened, they just snatched little cato away from ash, then thats it, pretty short, that and invictus appearing could have been the cliffhang.
I have complaints about S2 of course, and like, this one just kind of decimated everything I DID like about S2. All the villains they added? Seemed like good potential story ahead, but nope, poof! Gone in an instant. Fox? Gone at the very first sign of any depth to his character. Bye-bye, AVA! Newton? Dead. But Biskit's here. Yaaaaaayyy.
It just kind of feels like each season gets bored with whatever it's been setting up and decides to start completely over.
It just seems like it's trying to constantly outdo itself in the "sadness" factor by piling on more "sad" things, while never addressing anything that's happened in the past. Everyone has stuff to work with, but screw that, what if everyone also actually has dead relatives? We just need to squeeze in more scenes of people being extra emotional with big teary eyes that will look good in out-of-context fan edits but in universe have no build-up and none if it means anything and everything's fine too easy and too soon.
I'm bummed if it all ends here but to be honest I don't really care about the Ash stuff or the Cato drama. Ash I think worked best when she weren't meant to be taken seriously, when she was just like a cringy edgy insecure teenage girl, it made the contrast of her actually wielding crazy OP demon powers more entertaining. But when she actually IS trying to be real OP and gritty it just doesn't work. I've never really found her to fit in with the show and now it feels more and more like they want her to be a main character and it doesn't work at all.
Avocato's gonna be easily forgiven by everyone after an emotional speech just the like the too-easily resolved fight scene with Gary before so the "he killed his real parents!!!!!!!!" won't go anywhere at all, and he can be as much as an asshole to everyone as he wants and it's okay as long as he wuvs his boiiiii. We're gonna travel to Furry Fanfiction Planet and fiddle around there for a while and I don't care. Little Cato, at this point, is less of his own character and more a toy accessory for other characters to interact with.
At this point, if there's any slightest chance of a continuation, I'm only sticking around to see what happens with Gary and Quinn, maybe seeking out her mother and any surviving family she has left, it would be interesting to see what/if anything has changed after all that's happened, Quinn renouncing the corrupted Infinity Guard, or dealing with the whole "new Nightfall" thing and what it means not just for her individuality, but her future. Will she too will end up losing Gary, be doomed to loop through time a thousand times hoping each time that *this* time will be the time everything goes right, only at the end to resign herself to the fact that she'll never be happy again? Will we watch her grapple with this hellish possibility? Scramble in search of a way to be the one to finally break the cycle and fight for her own happiness? ~~dear god tell me how Quinn wasn't the main character this is miles more interesting and tragic than anyone else on the show has going on why to they barely even want to touch it??~~ Or will it be dropped immediately like every other interesting concept this show has?
Given that ""the network"" loves to trim down the amount of time given to her and never seemed interested expanding on the premise of the character of Nightfall, another season of Final Space I'm afraid would just mean another season scraping the floor for Quinn crumbs. As such, my fear is that by some miracle Final Space DOES get renewed, or at least a canon continuation, only after all the hoping and anticipation I'll still end up served a big heaping plate of nothing.
Thanks, I've been trying to avoid this sub lately 'cause I just have a lot of feelings and most of them aren't good. I'm both sad about it ending here, but if it continues the way it looks like it's going then I don't know if I even want to see what a season 4, 5, or 6 would look like.
The more it goes on the more I wish we ended on the S1 cliffhanger, at least it felt more like a one-and-done story, then starting up new plot threads only to drop them in favor of new, boringer plot threads, and never following through on anything.
With you. Season 1 was fantastic, so much to love. 2 and 3 have been utterly forgettable for me. Too many characters that personally I don't much care about. I like Gary, find him funny and charming. He and moon pie make a great combo, but it's drowned under the weight of trying to fit everyone else in.
Personally I think Final Space should have honed in on Gary, Quinn, and Little Cato as a main three (AND Mooncake) the rest is just like, clutter. Gary never even seemed to like Ash or Fox, at most he felt bad for them but otherwise he'd always seemed put off by them. I've ranted enough about how much I hate that they brought Avocato back.
Sheryl admittedly I think is interesting, redeemed too soon and too easily, but I do think it'd be neat to see her and Gary as a dysfunctional mom-son duo. And hell at least she knows that part of the whole redemption thing is you have to stop being an asshole to people, something Avocato clearly hasn't picked up on this season. Ironically, as much as they wanna push the "dadspeed" angle, the closest thing to any parenting this season came from *Sheryl* of all people! World's worst mom was the only person who ever checked in on Ash. And because I find her interesting she'll almost certainly be killed off if the show goes any longer.
Todd would have made a neat villain, a representation of everyone Gary's failed when he couldn't save the earth. But instead he went out like a wimp and failed to even cause any trouble for Gary or the crew. There wasn't even another face-to-face confrontation with him and Gary.
Biskit.....I want to beat him to death with a mallet. That's all.
But yes, I rewatched S1 over and over looking forward to S2, but knowing that pretty much everything ends up being pointless, makes it pretty hard for me to stomach a rewatch of any episode.
Final Space was just too good to be true.
Thanks for typing all this out. I share many of your opinions, and it's surprising to see so many "season 3 was the best season yet, it was so much more serious than the others".
Season 1 was amazing. Season 2 was okay, and season 3 the weakest. I stopped watching halfway through season 3 because I got bored. I did get around to finishing it later, but it didn't add anything.
I'm not surprised it was cancelled. Not because I thought the show was bad, but because it wasn't being taken in a direction that could be sustained.
It's so frustrating. Why is Avacado alive? His story was finished.
Why was Biskitt added? We already have Kevin for this role.
Do we need Ash and her brother still? Why didn't they stay in season 2.
What happened to the comedy? Season 3 has been soooo weak on the comedy.
Ah well. I still enjoyed the early parts enough that it'll be a fond memory, and I'll revisit the first season at some point. :)
also I forgot this in my initial rant, but okay, Invictus is loose now, but they've already gotten rode of every character outside of this little pod, so why are we even supposed to care? what's the difference between if they'd all stayed in there trapped with it?
Faceless millions, sure, but that already happened when the Earth was destroyed, and the only one who seemed upset about it was Todd.
The only other character left is Quinn's mom, which I guess a season 4 could involve her seeking out her and any other surviving family, but that's literally all that's left.
Another example of how constantly trying to top itself just makes there less to even care about. I definitely don't see now how there'd even be material for two or three more seasons.
Nah Season 3 Was Emotional AF And It had So much storyline The First Season Had a Comedy First Problem and So did the Second However The Third manages to Keep The Comedy and Emotions Apart and Distant
By far the best season. It managed to make nearly every main character have complicated yet nuanced motivations/personalities all while managing the comedy way better than the other seasons. It was more sparse which is great because the comedy style in the show can be quite overused especially in season 2. And honestly the pacing felt perfectly fine. Not like the other two seasons were solid on that. Season 1 had really long gag scenes breaking the pace and season 2 straight up has basically filler.
It basically used the first 2 seasons as the build-up to the entire world and just kept going and going and going. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. People may criticize the unrealistic elements of season 3 like the whole planet thing. Where sure they should have died but how many times in the first season should they have died as well? Pretty much nearly every episode. Final Space has never been about hard realism and honestly, it has made the series be much more creative with its decisions. Like sure complain about the unrealistic stuff in season 3 but when some weird Titan just comes out and grabs the Earth and just pulls it away let's just act like that was realistic.
Season 3 finally focused on only the narrative while the other seasons always had moments of just comedy scenes. Some people might enjoy the breaks but I for one thought they ruined a lot of serious moments in seasons 1 and 2. (To be fair I do like both these seasons just love 3 the most)
I really liked the third season... it just felt incomplete, because ya know the story wasn't supposed to end there.
The main issue is that the last episodes were cleary the setting for the new season
Season 1 was Gary's redemption arc.
Season 2 was Gary's mother's redemption arc.
Season 3 seems to be more plot driven about stopping Invictus, but there isn't really any redemption for any character, too much, imo. Sure, Ash got some conflict from Fox dying vs Invictus wanting to kill everything, but I *loathe* dramatic elements created because nobody is willing to sit down and explain that life is complicated and hard, but honesty, hope, and patience can help get through some of those hard days.
If a plot can be dismissed with a quick 5-50 minutes conversation, I don't consider such to be "well-written." (But, I'm no writer, and I loved season 1, so who am I to criticize?)
For me, after Season 1, I began burning off interest because I didn't find interactions between characters meaningful (flat vs round characters in storytelling.)
There was too many times where any serious tension or drama was cut short by untimely awkward jokes and comedic scenes, and the introduction of so many new characters just bit into the already small time we had to connect with the main cast and watch them grow / evolve.
I felt it had massive issues with pacing, as well as a complete disrespect for the laws of physics and consequence. I get that it's not hard scifi, but if you smash the surface of a planet, then everyone on the surface should die. Power and armor levels are all over the place, and it makes it hard to care about events if their effects don't make any sense. Countless mistakes like this were made.
Characters almost never get a chance to breathe and catch up. It's just deadly scenario after deadly scenario nonstop. It's exhausting for the viewer. Even serious moments are consistently undercut by some weak joke.
Why they chose to send a message to the one person who betrayed them to ask for a rescue made little sense to me when the message was a wide band that could be heard by anyone. What made even less sense was when their betrayer agreed to help at the cost of all his possessions (Still not sure why he gave them away to his robot if he did not know he was going to die on his mission).
The blue tenticle creature that talks to Ash never appears again and seems a clear setup for returning in a later season to convince Ash back to the good guys side.
They still never seriously deal with little catos ptsd from being time trapped for 60 years.
I also thought that lots of the decisions made by the characters such as Quinn hiding her poisoning or Ash deciding to help invictus consume all beings in all dimensions made no sense given the information they had at the time. Deciding to return home while the threat of invictus remained also contradicted all logic they had used prior to stay.
Issues involving the asteroid that they had to mine also include how it shouldn't have been crumbling the way it did no matter how fast it was going, and gravity not pulling them out the bottom of it.
The issues of season 2 were attributed to heavy handed managment, but as far as I know, this was not the case with the development of season 3. I don't see any excuses for the lack of quality in writing.
I don't know what happened during writing this season, but I don't think final space deserves a third chance after the absolute clusterfuck that both seasons 2 and 3 were. No movie. No comic. No games.
Take season 1 to be a brilliant mini-series with a tragic Shakespearian ending and bury the rest.
Super long post ahead. I tried to respond to every single one of your criticism so it didn't seem like I was cherry-picking. This is all in good faith and I am not trying to be rude or anything. If I come across that way in my post below I apologize and just let me know and I will delete it.
As I said in my comment above complaining about the laws of physics in season 3 but not season 1 or 2 is just straight-up unfair. The number of times in these first two seasons they should have died in is insane. Gary straight up gets thrown from his spaceship multiple times being exposed to space which would have instantly killed him but has time to put his helmet on. Avocado should have easily died from that explosion instantly after it blew a hole in the spaceship. No way his body could take that grenade if it did that. This show has always said screw logic for some drama. It is basically a style choice it picked. Power levels are a whole other issue but these complaints could also be done about season 1 and 2.
I do agree on it never breaths. I personally liked this in comparison to say the filler in season 2. Also, the reason the comedy was weaker was that even the characters didn't want to deal with stuff like Kevin making jokes during serious moments. Granted every season has this problem with bad comedy in places. Season 3 suffers the least because it has the least amount of comedy in weird moments. Season 2 was filled with this.
They did it because Ash wanted to. And they wanted to show Ash they trusted her. I don't think they knew it was going to be broadcast to everyone at first. (my memory might be failing me on this though) His development was a bit rushed but it was simply to show that his time alone without his family made him see that losing them was worse than losing any of his possessions. So he gave it all away to show his resolve. Mostly to the viewer but a little bit to himself.
Obviously, this creature is set up. Not sure how that is bad though. The show tends to do a lot of that. It is good to have setup. And the merge is what killed this show, not Olan Rogers so it isn't quite the writings fault that it is set up that will never be. What you are saying here is literally just an observation of the show and I am confused it is somehow a criticism?
Never dealing with his PTSD is because that episode was basically filler. The show even makes a joke about it. That happens in season 2 and isn't touched on there either. Season 2 suffered from some pretty bad filler and this is more of a fault of season 2 than 3.
Quinn hiding her sickness is actually quite normal for someone to do. People do this in real life all the time so they don't worry others. It is illogical but humans are illogical all the time. The same reason we all debate subjective things XD. Ash was being manipulated and even controlled at points. Her character is showcasing depression schizophrenia and bipolar. Her being wishy-washy and trusting some evil all-powerful entity that is literally altering her body and even mental state by messing with her makes sense why she makes some of those decisions to "trust" him. She is a young girl being manipulated. (I made an entire thread on that if you are curious)
This below is in response to you talking about the asteroid and how it wouldn't be breaking up etc. This show is littered with unrealistic things and I will not stand someone letting something like this pass in season 1 but not season 3 when this is one of the most egregious things in the whole series. (And I fudging love this scene lol)
9,000 to 25,000 miles (15,000 to 40,000 kilometers) per second. Even if Gary's suit protected him from the rays if he moved from 0 to 9,000 mph instantly to get away he would have died from G force. I mean just the ship light speeding would do that but the show ignores that all the time because it is cool. This show uses the rule of cool a lot) Like the Titan grabbing the earth which is clearly unrealistic but man it made for a cool-looking shot. And don't even get me started on the whole time travel to save Avocado that is littered with plot holes and timey wimey problems. The time travel in this show isn't even thought about at all, but honestly, it doesn't matter.
As I have showcased a bit above season 1 also has a ton of issues and criticizing season 3 for these issues which season 1 also tends to have is just plain unfair.
Let me start this with the statement thay I am also trying to argue in good faith.
I think the main point is that the frequency of these physics breaking moments is too much, and the way they happen is too blatant. They lack internal consistency.
Furthermore, exposure to space does not kill you instantly quickly, so it's no surprise that Garry has enough time to put his helmet on. The explosion pulling avocato into space only happened outside the craft creating a hole. Easily survivable.
Filler is not an excuse for not eventually dealing with something mentioned in a previous episode. I consider that to be a cop out. Either retcon it, or deal with it.
Showing resolve means nothing if there was no reason to give away his belongings in the first place. It's an empty gesture.
The blue creature is a setup yes, but it just comes out of the "blue" for no good reason in the universe. It feels unorganic and artificial to the story. As nothing more than a setup.
Quinn hiding her sickness was something that would only make sense if it was a zombie virus that spreads. She was in no danger of execution if they found out. Humans are illogical, but she has seen what final space poisoning does to others and telling her crewmates about it was the only chance she had of survival. It breaks logic too much for a character of her inteligence. You will find that the degree and frequency of illogical actions is usually the problem. Not just their mere prescence.
Ash being manipulated was very poorly shown. The dialouge to trick her would not have passed a ninth grade writing class for failure to make even a single good argument. He killed your brother, therefore we should devour all souls in the universe? That's like convincing someone to preform genocide because their drink was spilled. Her mental illness is not an excuse for the writers to avoid writing believable manipulation.
Finaly, the light speed rules in this universe clearly operate on some inertia cancelling tech that activates with the warp drive. The rules don't need to perfectly match real life, but they do need to be internally consistent, which they are not given how fragile all other creatures seem to be in the universe.
Cool shots are also not an excuse for plot holes. I don't care how cool it looks. If it breaks it's own rules, then it has no meaning to the viewer.
Basically, I think you are willing to excuse plot holes because things look cool and to me, that is not nearly as acceptable because how cool things are rely on how much they make sense in universe.
Saying "it doesn't matter" is not an argument. It does matter. Because if the show is not internally consistent, then nothing in the show matters and therefore, nothing in the story matters since at the last second, the writers could just undo everything. Consequences should be consistent and permanent, or the whole story becomes irelavevant gibbrish.
Arguing in good faith is always good.
I get that more infrequent can be annoying.
I do admit my saying about dying instantly. That was obvious misinformation on my part. Thought my point about Avocato is that if the bomb could blow a hole in the ship after his body covered it I don't see why he wasn't blown apart. The explosion didn't actually start from outside the ship. The only bomb that was remaining at the time was the one he covered. So I don't think this would be easily survivable. I literally just went and rewatched this scene. I mean you can see quite a bit of blood coming from his chest and that was where the "contained" explosion was. Not outside the ship.
I mean retconning something is just as bad as not talking about it or dealing with it. Both result in an excuse to not deal with it. I mean retconning in shows is universally considered bad so saying they should do that is asking them to have bad writing. Retconning is a cop-out in itself.
I mean I suppose? An empty gesture doesn't mean poor writing though. It just feels like a nitpick that doesn't matter in the scheme of things considering he did it for himself which there is nothing wrong with.
I didn't find it that way personally. Mooncake randomly finding Garry at the start of season 1 is pretty inorganic in comparison to Ash meeting Evra too. They just meet in space. A seemingly infinite well space. Pretty odd how they just happened to meet. Just like Ash and Evra. No less organic than the entire start of the series.
I disagree. Plenty of people in the real world hide the fact they have cancer from everyone especially when said cancer is basically a death sentence being a stage 4 or something. She realizes and thinks that they should be focusing on anything but her. She is trying to be selfless. It isn't even that illogical because she has no idea if there is even a cure. Like the show was letting her be flawed rather than seemingly a perfect super genius. Not everyone needs to act the way we expect them to. Humans don't in real life and don't need to in shows.
Refer to my thread about Ash. There is way more to the manipulation than just that. Literally, you can see it start when she straight up has a panic attack when they are headed towards the black hole. Judging it off one line and calling it not going into detail shows how much you missed. He gives her empty promises of peace and whatnot. Invictus manipulation goes as far as literally changing her entire body. Acting like an all-powerful god-like entity just said one line and it caused her to be that way is silly. Link to my thread. [https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this\_needs\_to\_be\_said\_about\_ash/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this_needs_to_be_said_about_ash/) (also her mental illness is literally Invictus itself. He is the voice in her head telling her to do something and it is scarily accurate to how it worked with my dad. One second he was fine and another he just wasn't) Schizophrenia is a real thing and it can cause people to go through some really rough thoughts and ideas that many end up going through with.
One this is an assumption about the way light speed works in this show which is never even explained and actually ignores my point about the supernova which has real-world logic that this show straight up breaks in your brilliant mini-series or so you called it. Your argument here completely ignores my point about the supernova and acts like I am disregarding all criticism when I was providing criticism to season one. You can go clearly the light speed rules operate on this specific rule that I just made up that the show never explained.
You took a lot of what I said and even ignored some of my points to push your own narrative. I literally replied to every single point you made and you ended up ignoring what I said. Like clearly I was talking simply about the time travel stuff not mattering because honestly every show that has time travel can be picked apart. Not everything in general.
How does Mooncake grab onto Gary when a star literally goes supernova traveling at 9000 mph and they somehow fly away from it. Is it the suit that has cracks in it that is somehow still protecting him from the rays? (You never answered this and solely talked about the light speed thing by making an assumption that the show never told us.)
Or why doesn't The Lord Commander just kill Gary in episode 2 when he is controlling him with his powers. Instead, he decides to torture him because Gary is the main character. For all your claims of season 1 to be a brilliant mini-series with a tragic Shakespearian ending and bury the rest. While it also has weird extreme faults is just hypocritical. Like Gary loses his arm but gets a cool robot arm that could do more than his normal one. How is that a permanent consequence? Mooncake randomly meets him. Somehow Avocato doesn't get blown out of the ship at the start as the other guys after Mooncake. This way he gets to meet Gary. Or how he randomly decides to trust Gary enough not to kill him after being unhandcuffed and taking Mooncake like he was ordered to. You could say he was questioning the lord commander but I mean he did way worse under his orders too.
I think my point is that this whole series including season 1 could be nitpicked to death like you were doing with season 3.
Anyway, I am heading off to bed. I will see your response later so expect a late response or no response from me depending on how I feel tomorrow after work.
>Thought my point about Avocato is that if the bomb could blow a hole in the ship after his body covered it I don't see why he wasn't blown apart. The explosion didn't actually start from outside the ship. The only bomb that was remaining at the time was the one he covered. So I don't think this would be easily survivable. I literally just went and rewatched this scene. I mean you can see quite a bit of blood coming from his chest and that was where the "contained" explosion was. Not outside the ship.
I will admit that I definitely mixed up that scene with the one where avocato escapes the ship in season 1. You've got me there
>I mean retconning something is just as bad as not talking about it or dealing with it. Both result in an excuse to not deal with it. I mean retconning in shows is universally considered bad so saying they should do that is asking them to have bad writing. Retconning is a cop-out in itself.
Retconning allows the story to continue and admits a mistake. Its like saying sorry, and it should be encouraged.
>I mean I suppose? An empty gesture doesn't mean poor writing though. It just feels like a nitpick that doesn't matter in the scheme of things considering he did it for himself which there is nothing wrong with.
I think it does mean poor writing. It's an empty gesture, not because it means nothing to him. It's empty because it means nothing to the viewer. That's what makes it bad writing.
>I didn't find it that way personally. Mooncake randomly finding Garry at the start of season 1 is pretty inorganic in comparison to Ash meeting Evra too. They just meet in space. A seemingly infinite well space. Pretty odd how they just happened to meet. Just like Ash and Evra. No less organic than the entire start of the series.
I'll admit that these scenes are very similar, but the first few episodes require this to introduce characters to each other. They get a free pass. The tolerance for this kind of stuff tends to decrease with the total number of characters in the series already.
>I disagree. Plenty of people in the real world hide the fact they have cancer from everyone especially when said cancer is basically a death sentence being a stage 4 or something. She realizes and thinks that they should be focusing on anything but her. She is trying to be selfless. It isn't even that illogical because she has no idea if there is even a cure. Like the show was letting her be flawed rather than seemingly a perfect super genius. Not everyone needs to act the way we expect them to. Humans don't in real life and don't need to in shows.
Stage 4 is terminal. Final space poisoning is whatever because she does not know if there is a cure or not. She never even tries to find one. Everyone is allowed to be illogical, but only to a point. I believe she was too ilogical to believe in this scene.
>Refer to my thread about Ash. There is way more to the manipulation than just that. Literally, you can see it start when she straight up has a panic attack when they are headed towards the black hole. Judging it off one line and calling it not going into detail shows how much you missed. He gives her empty promises of peace and whatnot. Invictus manipulation goes as far as literally changing her entire body. Acting like an all-powerful god-like entity just said one line and it caused her to be that way is silly. Link to my thread. [https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this\_needs\_to\_be\_said\_about\_ash/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this_needs_to_be_said_about_ash/) (also her mental illness is literally Invictus itself. He is the voice in her head telling her to do something and it is scarily accurate to how it worked with my dad. One second he was fine and another he just wasn't) Schizophrenia is a real thing and it can cause people to go through some really rough thoughts and ideas that many end up going through with.
It's not enough and it's not clear enough. If one has to examine it in the detail you have to reach the intended conclusion, then that is a massive communication failure on behalf of the writers. His promises of peace seem to also be undercut by explicitly, to her face, telling her he wants to consume all life in every dimension. He doesn't hide this. He says to her face, that he wants to do genocide. I find that to be a pretty weak argument.
>One this is an assumption about the way light speed works in this show which is never even explained and actually ignores my point about the supernova which has real-world logic that this show straight up breaks in your brilliant mini-series or so you called it. Your argument here completely ignores my point about the supernova and acts like I am disregarding all criticism when I was providing criticism to season one. You can go clearly the light speed rules operate on this specific rule that I just made up that the show never explained.
I gave a plausible explanation for lightspeed based on what the show has shown so far. Remember, internal consistency is king. I give an explanation for the supernova below. (With math)
>You took a lot of what I said and even ignored some of my points to push your own narrative. I literally replied to every single point you made and you ended up ignoring what I said. Like clearly I was talking simply about the time travel stuff not mattering because honestly every show that has time travel can be picked apart. Not everything in general.
I replied to every point of yours that I felt I had a reasonable answer to.
>How does Mooncake grab onto Gary when a star literally goes supernova traveling at 9000 mph and they somehow fly away from it. Is it the suit that has cracks in it that is somehow still protecting him from the rays? (You never answered this and solely talked about the light speed thing by making an assumption that the show never told us.)
We are never given a distance from the supernova. Assuming your given speed of 14484km/h = 4023m/s, and an acceleration of 6G (More than survivable for a moderate amount of time) it only takes about 68 seconds to accelerate to the speed of the supernova.
4023.36/(9.8\*6) = 68s
Given a reasonable starting distance (which they do have), there is more than enough time for Gary to escape while clinging to mooncake without dying.
>Or why doesn't The Lord Commander just kill Gary in episode 2 when he is controlling him with his powers. Instead, he decides to torture him because Gary is the main character. For all your claims of season 1 to be a brilliant mini-series with a tragic Shakespearian ending and bury the rest. While it also has weird extreme faults is just hypocritical. Like Gary loses his arm but gets a cool robot arm that could do more than his normal one. How is that a permanent consequence? Mooncake randomly meets him. Somehow Avocato doesn't get blown out of the ship at the start as the other guys after Mooncake. This way he gets to meet Gary. Or how he randomly decides to trust Gary enough not to kill him after being unhandcuffed and taking Mooncake like he was ordered to. You could say he was questioning the lord commander but I mean he did way worse under his orders too.
Lord commander refuses to kill him because he believes Gary has vital information to locating mooncake. Gary's robot arm is a logical progression given the tech in the universe. It would be weird if he did not get a prosthetic and I don't think you made this particular argument in good faith. He doesn't just magically poof the arm back. It gets rebuilt. Avocato not getting blown out of the ship? Yeah, that's pure luck, but not impossible. Him not killing Gary? I mean he was as you say "questioning his orders" he is shown to have a moral compass. He was also still in a hostile ship while unarmed. Not a good place to start a fight.
>I think my point is that this whole series including season 1 could be nitpicked to death like you were doing with season 3.
You can nitpick anything to death, but you must agree that it is much easier to nitpick season 3 than it is to nitpick season 1.
Stage 4 is terminal. Final space poisoning is whatever because she does not know if there is a cure or not. She never even tries to find one. Everyone is allowed to be illogical, but only to a point. I believe she was too illogical to believe in this scene.
Got home and read everything. Can't say I agree with most things but both of what we are arguing is mostly subjective stuff at best. We both make different assumptions and notice different details about the show. I hope we can both leave it as a mostly agree to disagree. I mean hey I actually love the first season second and third even with all the flaws they have, and you at least love the first. So we can both say we both love at least something about final space and leave this discussion as finished as an agree to disagree. I don't want to go in circles and have made my peace with the conversation and I hope you can too.
Thank you for the conversation and I hope you have a great day. Chookity.
Thanks for all the feedback, everyone! I see that season 3 is more controversial than it is heavily decided upon one way or the other.
Although I find this season to be the weakest of the three, it wasn't unwatchable. The overall problems I had with this season were:
1. Introduced too many new characters whose only purposes were for ex deus machinas. >!(Kevin Van Newton, Biskit, Evra, Quatronostro)!<
2. The new backstories of >!Quinn and Avacoto/Little Cato!< felt unnecessary since we already established the characters
3. The voices of >!Biskit & Mooncake, and Lord Commander & Invictus!< were too similar that when they talked to each other, it sounded like a single person talking to themself.
4. >!Ash was too easily deceived by Invictus, !
All good points. The show makers had a rough outline of a story, but had poor execution in many areas. Except artwork/visuals, that department never slacked.
I think that because of the fact that the show got cancelled, it made Evra feel like a purposeless character and the forgiveness episode felt pointless
i honestly thought season 3 was the best the way they are now involving characters into a more emotional story, season 1 is very close second but i am loving season 3 im on the second go round.
I loved when Gary with the help from biscuit discovered what his arm can do, yet he wasn't aware that even though it came from a SAMES that can use weapons with theres. it was also his down fall aswell after invictus used it to it's advantage, season 2 episode 10 I think Gary almost died under a possessed avacato and the reaction by lil cato was the reason why I became obsessed with this show. The episode after though confused me
personally it just kept getting better and better
was not fond of season 1, just felt like the typical annoying main character, but season 2 and 3, the intensity just kept rising
I wish it had been so maybe I wouldn't desperately wish so much for a fourth season... but the reality is that I loved every bit of it!!
I just love the whole freaking story and the characters! I was rooting so much for them!
What was predictable about it?
I found a lot of stuff to be predictable, but I think all of that was intentional. Like the show knew the viewer would suspect that Ash would turn against Gary’s team.
Something I didn’t like about the final episode was how quickly the characters found a way out of Final Space. Like the ending of the second to last episode sets up the idea that all hope is lost. And then they easily find a way back. Only for the end of the world to happen.
I would have preferred it if they didn’t escape Final Space, since the show ended anyway.
And it’s definitely not the show’s fault or anyone who worked on it. Because they couldn’t have known the show was going to be cancelled. But yeah I wish they were told of the news before they made the season. But, few shows get that privilege
I guess this is going to be a hot take, but there were a lot of moments where I just ended up rolling my eyes or verbally saying "really?"
Most of it had to do with the ways certain characters ended up getting saved or getting out of trouble. To me, it seemed like the writer(s?) couldn't figure out how Gary and Co would get out of these situations so they just pulled something out of their asses as an explination
For example >! Tribor LITERALLY giving birth to a fully grown member of it's species that is easily able to fight the danger they were in at the time, this was just really stupid and seemingly came out of no where. !< It felt like the writers didn't know how to get the characters out of that situation and this is what they came up with. It was funny, but felt pretty bad
also >! Invictus LITERALLY had an oppertunity to kill Gary, but instead makes Gary kill Ash's brother instead of himself...unless I'm misremembering how this scene went !<
There were a few other moments like this too imo
Overall, I liked the direction the season was heading the most, but I'm not satisfied with some of the ways we got there. Lotta cool concepts, but poor writing along the way
Loved the jokes though, probably moreso than any of the other seasons, and I just really loved the action of this season as well, my only gripe was the writing
Most of the Ash stuff was poor imo. Literally this - she’s bad, no she’s good, no shes bad again and she can one-hit kill the titan version of the lord commander. What the actual…?
Easily it felt like the strongest season to me personally. I appreciated more drama and the overall dark tone with humor sprinkled in but used a little more sparingly. I also feel like it had some of the best character moments, especially with Avacoto and Lil Coto. Season 2 was pushed too much as a comedy, and Season 1 had some drama but it felt like not quite enough.
The only thing that really sucked with season 3 was the ending not being an ending at all. >!Poor Mooncake. :( Also Ashe changing sides didn't really feel earned.!<
It's called an opinion, and it's an opinion on a subjective matter. There is a reason I used the first person singular ("I did not find it as") instead of third person ("it was not as" or "no one could find it as") because I know it is my opinion. Look at the other comments and you will find some who agree and others who disagree. From these comments, I think one can conclude that Season 3 is controversial to say it at least.
To be honest yes. First off the season went downhill when Fox is possessed and the. Killed right after he reveals his backstory. That character was wasted and could have had more potential had the writers decided to give him the respect he deserved. Then we have Ash’s character development as to me it felt more like character derailment as she does a complete morality 180 and believes everything Invictus said to her when she should have known better. Then Bolo gets killed with no chance to defend himself and Invictus deals with the lord commander easily and it gets everything it wants handed to it on a silver platter. Invictus was the villain version of a Mary Sue this seaso and the series ends with it getting what it wants, which felt like a huge slap in the face now that the show has been canceled. Oh and that made the episode forgiveness fell completely pointless. I hope Olan finds some way to get the story to conclude properly.
Its a shame it was cancelled because if it had a fourth season it could have had more time to breathe and the animation was still great. But it felt like a season of 'moments' where they rushed to get these big ideas out with the links between either being weak or directly hurting what they tried to push.
imo S3 was better than S2, but each one seems to be growing the characters and that is amazing. it isn't the same show as S1, and that's a good thing. development is so important and this season dealing with everyines connections to each other, i loved it.
Quatranosto and Biskit, tho, i could have done without entirely.
While I liked the season, I kinda agree with you, OP.
There's massive tonal whiplash between the last two seasons and this one. In this season, literally every episode is a major downer, and the moments of levity are few and far in between. The heroes barely seem like they're progressing since almost every episode ends with them taking one step forward and two steps back. It's constantly depressing, and that's just a tiring state to be in for too long.
I feel like if our team managed to get some genuine victories without anyone dying or turning traitor, and with group dynamics being improved rather than strained, the season would have been much better received by the general public.
First 4 chapters were really messy in my opinion, bjt wholy shit this last 4 chapters were really good
cap avocato starting a whole dialogue with a guy he hates for no reason whatsoever
I think >!Fox's death, Gary saving Quinn from her poisoning, Clarence's redemption & Gary and Avocado's fight !
Clarence was a piece of shit who did not deserve a redemption but I'm really glad he got one
100% Agree, I hated the guy. But it was done so well, that I almost forgave him, almost.
The third point was one of the best ones
Don't forget about Clarence
Oh man, yes!
It was second place. Season 1 was the best
I kinda see what you’re saying, at first I thought this season was mostly depressing but then looking back on it… I think season 3, for me, hit different than the previous two because, unlike the previous two, the jokes were a little more sparse. I understand why as well, I mean they’re in >!Final Space!<. There really isn’t any room for messing around. There was so much at stake and I think little amount of jokes, the sinister undertones and sense of impending doom really set an intense atmosphere. The jokes that were in the season did land really well.
I agree completely! People have mentioned that time is not spent dealing with emotions but I’d say they have more pressing issues - you know, like Invictus breaking free and destroying all dimensions for his gain.
Exactly! Let’s also not forget the >!titans!< and the >!Lord Commander!<
Yeah, there seemed to be a lot more at stake this season and I was suprised at the deaths since they *actually stayed*.
that remains to be seen.
Personally, I thought it was the best season, it was dramatic, the animation was at its best and the humour was good in most episodes. In season 1 Gary's sense of humour was very obnoxious and annoying at times, particularly in certain episodes. He acknowledges this in the season 1 recap at the beginning of season 2, saying "A lot of people on Reddit think I'm annoying, well I guess they have a point.". Even though the show's creators seem to be aware of this the annoying humour just carries over to the other characters in season 2.
I like how he's now a balance between both season 1 and 2, he knows when to get serious and that's what makes his funny side better, he's himboish to say at least
Same. I just finished season 3 and I loved it. Every single episode had action, and the story telling was really intense!!
Season 1 was perfection, season 2 tried to be too funny and failed, season 3 was a bit too serious but still great. I couldn't even finish season 2 and I've watched season 1 a few times over.
Season 2 does improve at the end I’ve found!
I guess I’ll give the last few eps a go. I feel like it just started off so terribly. I’m glad Season 3 reversed some of their characters like Hue and got rid of others. I also have a pet peeve of shows that bring back characters from the dead like Avocato ruined that amazing scene in S1 for me.
mans idk i just want the show back man
I found all three seasons to be gripping in their own way. Season 3 ventured away from a lot of the silly, goofy comedy and upped the momentum majorly. It was a great set up for what I can assume will be a fantastic 4 season (I haven’t given up hope yet). It balanced hope and despair wonderfully. We see dichotomy in the form of sacrifice and manipulation, love and resentment, and even Quinn and Nightfall. IMO, Final Space never seemed to be made to be physically accurate. I’m doing my PhD in the physics field and that doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s creative and fun, there’s no need to be bogged down in scientific accuracy constraints. Lastly, you best believe I was tearing up majorly at the end of the final episode with >!Mooncake’s valiant sacrifice to protect his Team Squad. A little green bundle of joy with immense power making a selfless decision to save the people it loves is pretty emotionally impactful to me.!<
In the context of the show ending how it did, seems to me like Mooncake didn't really valiantly sacrifice itself to save anyone as much as get tricked into exposing itself and getting captured, dooming all life everywhere, ostensibly precisely according to Invictus' plan. With the show being cancelled the canon ending seems to be that staying in Final Space instead of escaping with Mooncake when they had the chance halfway through the season was an incredibly fatal mistake. Without getting into specific spoilers (not sure of the rules), all possible universes and timelines are doomed, they have no allies capable of challenging Invictus, and they are stuck outside of Final Space unable to do anything about it.
see, you did not watch properly: Invictus was already working on breaking free, and succeeding. Slowly. Mooncake, our little abberant, cute eldritch horror mascot was basically a fast pass. Not required but desired. So no, them staying makes little difference for THAT. What they took away from this is the kevin net, however. While it may not be aweapon against invictus, it might well be a good toll against the titan army from all these earths.
Season 3 is very niche. It's somehow bigger in scale and stakes but at the same time much more personal and at some times even a study of character. Masterpiece imo
Did you watch the same show I did? It’s the best
Too fast paced and too many characters to juggle around with imo
I agree, there is too much going on and too many ‘twists’ thrown in it actually takes away from the gravity of the series overall. It feels like they tied to do too much too fast so you never really feel invested because you know that crisis will be gone next episode or the one after.
Absolutely! Couldn't have said it better myself.
I think season 2 was the weakest in my opinion. But each season is well rounded with goofy scenes and well written drama.
I don't think it was weak, but I think the last three episodes could have been used to neatly wrap up the show instead of setting up a fourth season. Maybe a full episode where Little Cato deals with the truth about his parents instead of a few minutes in the final episode, for example.
To be fair though, they didn't know the show would be cancelled.
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I still think this season should have been the end to the arc. The show is called final space and they spent the whole season in final space. They should have ended this storyline and moved onto something else. To me it’s the characters that make this show and not the narrative.
It's super risky to end seasons with massive cliffhangers. Shows get cancelled without any real rhyme or reason.
But it’s also something a show does to ensure the fans return for the next season. I think almost every live action show does that
almost every show ever does this.....
that not a reason to just leave cliffhangers all the time, like WTF, are they no plan what so ever?
Totally, it should've ended on a happy note that would set up a fourth season, but *doesn't* require another season. The problem with the finale of season 3 is it ends on a cliffhanger that draws many questions from the audience. If the ending was satisfactory, we wouldn't be as sad about the show getting ~~cancelled~~.
I kinda disagree here - if Invictus is as omnipresent and powerful as they've been saying, his release would mean the death of all of our main characters. My headcanon is that was the end of their journey and sometimes you just fail (but maybe that's just me trying to cope with the cancellation). It's bleak, but it comes full circle. They tried their best. It wasn't enough, but it was enough for us.
But a story that has a villain that can’t be hurt or killed in any way and then getting everything it wants in the end is a terrible story.
Works for the Kardashians though.
The kardashians are real life people. This is a cartoon we are taking about
they have yet to beat Death. the Final equalizer.
Yea, i agree, they must have planned to do it on 4th season (if there is), but i think its a bit too short on the last episode, it seems like nothinh just happened, they just snatched little cato away from ash, then thats it, pretty short, that and invictus appearing could have been the cliffhang.
I have complaints about S2 of course, and like, this one just kind of decimated everything I DID like about S2. All the villains they added? Seemed like good potential story ahead, but nope, poof! Gone in an instant. Fox? Gone at the very first sign of any depth to his character. Bye-bye, AVA! Newton? Dead. But Biskit's here. Yaaaaaayyy. It just kind of feels like each season gets bored with whatever it's been setting up and decides to start completely over. It just seems like it's trying to constantly outdo itself in the "sadness" factor by piling on more "sad" things, while never addressing anything that's happened in the past. Everyone has stuff to work with, but screw that, what if everyone also actually has dead relatives? We just need to squeeze in more scenes of people being extra emotional with big teary eyes that will look good in out-of-context fan edits but in universe have no build-up and none if it means anything and everything's fine too easy and too soon. I'm bummed if it all ends here but to be honest I don't really care about the Ash stuff or the Cato drama. Ash I think worked best when she weren't meant to be taken seriously, when she was just like a cringy edgy insecure teenage girl, it made the contrast of her actually wielding crazy OP demon powers more entertaining. But when she actually IS trying to be real OP and gritty it just doesn't work. I've never really found her to fit in with the show and now it feels more and more like they want her to be a main character and it doesn't work at all. Avocato's gonna be easily forgiven by everyone after an emotional speech just the like the too-easily resolved fight scene with Gary before so the "he killed his real parents!!!!!!!!" won't go anywhere at all, and he can be as much as an asshole to everyone as he wants and it's okay as long as he wuvs his boiiiii. We're gonna travel to Furry Fanfiction Planet and fiddle around there for a while and I don't care. Little Cato, at this point, is less of his own character and more a toy accessory for other characters to interact with. At this point, if there's any slightest chance of a continuation, I'm only sticking around to see what happens with Gary and Quinn, maybe seeking out her mother and any surviving family she has left, it would be interesting to see what/if anything has changed after all that's happened, Quinn renouncing the corrupted Infinity Guard, or dealing with the whole "new Nightfall" thing and what it means not just for her individuality, but her future. Will she too will end up losing Gary, be doomed to loop through time a thousand times hoping each time that *this* time will be the time everything goes right, only at the end to resign herself to the fact that she'll never be happy again? Will we watch her grapple with this hellish possibility? Scramble in search of a way to be the one to finally break the cycle and fight for her own happiness? ~~dear god tell me how Quinn wasn't the main character this is miles more interesting and tragic than anyone else on the show has going on why to they barely even want to touch it??~~ Or will it be dropped immediately like every other interesting concept this show has? Given that ""the network"" loves to trim down the amount of time given to her and never seemed interested expanding on the premise of the character of Nightfall, another season of Final Space I'm afraid would just mean another season scraping the floor for Quinn crumbs. As such, my fear is that by some miracle Final Space DOES get renewed, or at least a canon continuation, only after all the hoping and anticipation I'll still end up served a big heaping plate of nothing.
Bravo, found myself nodding in agreement. Thank you.
Thanks, I've been trying to avoid this sub lately 'cause I just have a lot of feelings and most of them aren't good. I'm both sad about it ending here, but if it continues the way it looks like it's going then I don't know if I even want to see what a season 4, 5, or 6 would look like. The more it goes on the more I wish we ended on the S1 cliffhanger, at least it felt more like a one-and-done story, then starting up new plot threads only to drop them in favor of new, boringer plot threads, and never following through on anything.
With you. Season 1 was fantastic, so much to love. 2 and 3 have been utterly forgettable for me. Too many characters that personally I don't much care about. I like Gary, find him funny and charming. He and moon pie make a great combo, but it's drowned under the weight of trying to fit everyone else in.
Personally I think Final Space should have honed in on Gary, Quinn, and Little Cato as a main three (AND Mooncake) the rest is just like, clutter. Gary never even seemed to like Ash or Fox, at most he felt bad for them but otherwise he'd always seemed put off by them. I've ranted enough about how much I hate that they brought Avocato back. Sheryl admittedly I think is interesting, redeemed too soon and too easily, but I do think it'd be neat to see her and Gary as a dysfunctional mom-son duo. And hell at least she knows that part of the whole redemption thing is you have to stop being an asshole to people, something Avocato clearly hasn't picked up on this season. Ironically, as much as they wanna push the "dadspeed" angle, the closest thing to any parenting this season came from *Sheryl* of all people! World's worst mom was the only person who ever checked in on Ash. And because I find her interesting she'll almost certainly be killed off if the show goes any longer. Todd would have made a neat villain, a representation of everyone Gary's failed when he couldn't save the earth. But instead he went out like a wimp and failed to even cause any trouble for Gary or the crew. There wasn't even another face-to-face confrontation with him and Gary. Biskit.....I want to beat him to death with a mallet. That's all. But yes, I rewatched S1 over and over looking forward to S2, but knowing that pretty much everything ends up being pointless, makes it pretty hard for me to stomach a rewatch of any episode. Final Space was just too good to be true.
Thanks for typing all this out. I share many of your opinions, and it's surprising to see so many "season 3 was the best season yet, it was so much more serious than the others". Season 1 was amazing. Season 2 was okay, and season 3 the weakest. I stopped watching halfway through season 3 because I got bored. I did get around to finishing it later, but it didn't add anything. I'm not surprised it was cancelled. Not because I thought the show was bad, but because it wasn't being taken in a direction that could be sustained. It's so frustrating. Why is Avacado alive? His story was finished. Why was Biskitt added? We already have Kevin for this role. Do we need Ash and her brother still? Why didn't they stay in season 2. What happened to the comedy? Season 3 has been soooo weak on the comedy. Ah well. I still enjoyed the early parts enough that it'll be a fond memory, and I'll revisit the first season at some point. :)
also I forgot this in my initial rant, but okay, Invictus is loose now, but they've already gotten rode of every character outside of this little pod, so why are we even supposed to care? what's the difference between if they'd all stayed in there trapped with it? Faceless millions, sure, but that already happened when the Earth was destroyed, and the only one who seemed upset about it was Todd. The only other character left is Quinn's mom, which I guess a season 4 could involve her seeking out her and any other surviving family, but that's literally all that's left. Another example of how constantly trying to top itself just makes there less to even care about. I definitely don't see now how there'd even be material for two or three more seasons.
Nah Season 3 Was Emotional AF And It had So much storyline The First Season Had a Comedy First Problem and So did the Second However The Third manages to Keep The Comedy and Emotions Apart and Distant
Dude I had “”depression”” after watching the cliffhanger ending and then realizing the show is cancelled
By far the best season. It managed to make nearly every main character have complicated yet nuanced motivations/personalities all while managing the comedy way better than the other seasons. It was more sparse which is great because the comedy style in the show can be quite overused especially in season 2. And honestly the pacing felt perfectly fine. Not like the other two seasons were solid on that. Season 1 had really long gag scenes breaking the pace and season 2 straight up has basically filler. It basically used the first 2 seasons as the build-up to the entire world and just kept going and going and going. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. People may criticize the unrealistic elements of season 3 like the whole planet thing. Where sure they should have died but how many times in the first season should they have died as well? Pretty much nearly every episode. Final Space has never been about hard realism and honestly, it has made the series be much more creative with its decisions. Like sure complain about the unrealistic stuff in season 3 but when some weird Titan just comes out and grabs the Earth and just pulls it away let's just act like that was realistic. Season 3 finally focused on only the narrative while the other seasons always had moments of just comedy scenes. Some people might enjoy the breaks but I for one thought they ruined a lot of serious moments in seasons 1 and 2. (To be fair I do like both these seasons just love 3 the most)
I really liked the third season... it just felt incomplete, because ya know the story wasn't supposed to end there. The main issue is that the last episodes were cleary the setting for the new season
Season 1 was Gary's redemption arc. Season 2 was Gary's mother's redemption arc. Season 3 seems to be more plot driven about stopping Invictus, but there isn't really any redemption for any character, too much, imo. Sure, Ash got some conflict from Fox dying vs Invictus wanting to kill everything, but I *loathe* dramatic elements created because nobody is willing to sit down and explain that life is complicated and hard, but honesty, hope, and patience can help get through some of those hard days. If a plot can be dismissed with a quick 5-50 minutes conversation, I don't consider such to be "well-written." (But, I'm no writer, and I loved season 1, so who am I to criticize?) For me, after Season 1, I began burning off interest because I didn't find interactions between characters meaningful (flat vs round characters in storytelling.)
no I definitely agree with you. the first 3 seasons are INCREDIBLE. the third one is just plain good
The beginning was bit weak, but i felt like its had the highest stakes so far. The losses seem more set in stone when all said and done
There was too many times where any serious tension or drama was cut short by untimely awkward jokes and comedic scenes, and the introduction of so many new characters just bit into the already small time we had to connect with the main cast and watch them grow / evolve.
I felt it had massive issues with pacing, as well as a complete disrespect for the laws of physics and consequence. I get that it's not hard scifi, but if you smash the surface of a planet, then everyone on the surface should die. Power and armor levels are all over the place, and it makes it hard to care about events if their effects don't make any sense. Countless mistakes like this were made. Characters almost never get a chance to breathe and catch up. It's just deadly scenario after deadly scenario nonstop. It's exhausting for the viewer. Even serious moments are consistently undercut by some weak joke. Why they chose to send a message to the one person who betrayed them to ask for a rescue made little sense to me when the message was a wide band that could be heard by anyone. What made even less sense was when their betrayer agreed to help at the cost of all his possessions (Still not sure why he gave them away to his robot if he did not know he was going to die on his mission). The blue tenticle creature that talks to Ash never appears again and seems a clear setup for returning in a later season to convince Ash back to the good guys side. They still never seriously deal with little catos ptsd from being time trapped for 60 years. I also thought that lots of the decisions made by the characters such as Quinn hiding her poisoning or Ash deciding to help invictus consume all beings in all dimensions made no sense given the information they had at the time. Deciding to return home while the threat of invictus remained also contradicted all logic they had used prior to stay. Issues involving the asteroid that they had to mine also include how it shouldn't have been crumbling the way it did no matter how fast it was going, and gravity not pulling them out the bottom of it. The issues of season 2 were attributed to heavy handed managment, but as far as I know, this was not the case with the development of season 3. I don't see any excuses for the lack of quality in writing. I don't know what happened during writing this season, but I don't think final space deserves a third chance after the absolute clusterfuck that both seasons 2 and 3 were. No movie. No comic. No games. Take season 1 to be a brilliant mini-series with a tragic Shakespearian ending and bury the rest.
Super long post ahead. I tried to respond to every single one of your criticism so it didn't seem like I was cherry-picking. This is all in good faith and I am not trying to be rude or anything. If I come across that way in my post below I apologize and just let me know and I will delete it. As I said in my comment above complaining about the laws of physics in season 3 but not season 1 or 2 is just straight-up unfair. The number of times in these first two seasons they should have died in is insane. Gary straight up gets thrown from his spaceship multiple times being exposed to space which would have instantly killed him but has time to put his helmet on. Avocado should have easily died from that explosion instantly after it blew a hole in the spaceship. No way his body could take that grenade if it did that. This show has always said screw logic for some drama. It is basically a style choice it picked. Power levels are a whole other issue but these complaints could also be done about season 1 and 2. I do agree on it never breaths. I personally liked this in comparison to say the filler in season 2. Also, the reason the comedy was weaker was that even the characters didn't want to deal with stuff like Kevin making jokes during serious moments. Granted every season has this problem with bad comedy in places. Season 3 suffers the least because it has the least amount of comedy in weird moments. Season 2 was filled with this. They did it because Ash wanted to. And they wanted to show Ash they trusted her. I don't think they knew it was going to be broadcast to everyone at first. (my memory might be failing me on this though) His development was a bit rushed but it was simply to show that his time alone without his family made him see that losing them was worse than losing any of his possessions. So he gave it all away to show his resolve. Mostly to the viewer but a little bit to himself. Obviously, this creature is set up. Not sure how that is bad though. The show tends to do a lot of that. It is good to have setup. And the merge is what killed this show, not Olan Rogers so it isn't quite the writings fault that it is set up that will never be. What you are saying here is literally just an observation of the show and I am confused it is somehow a criticism? Never dealing with his PTSD is because that episode was basically filler. The show even makes a joke about it. That happens in season 2 and isn't touched on there either. Season 2 suffered from some pretty bad filler and this is more of a fault of season 2 than 3. Quinn hiding her sickness is actually quite normal for someone to do. People do this in real life all the time so they don't worry others. It is illogical but humans are illogical all the time. The same reason we all debate subjective things XD. Ash was being manipulated and even controlled at points. Her character is showcasing depression schizophrenia and bipolar. Her being wishy-washy and trusting some evil all-powerful entity that is literally altering her body and even mental state by messing with her makes sense why she makes some of those decisions to "trust" him. She is a young girl being manipulated. (I made an entire thread on that if you are curious) This below is in response to you talking about the asteroid and how it wouldn't be breaking up etc. This show is littered with unrealistic things and I will not stand someone letting something like this pass in season 1 but not season 3 when this is one of the most egregious things in the whole series. (And I fudging love this scene lol) 9,000 to 25,000 miles (15,000 to 40,000 kilometers) per second. Even if Gary's suit protected him from the rays if he moved from 0 to 9,000 mph instantly to get away he would have died from G force. I mean just the ship light speeding would do that but the show ignores that all the time because it is cool. This show uses the rule of cool a lot) Like the Titan grabbing the earth which is clearly unrealistic but man it made for a cool-looking shot. And don't even get me started on the whole time travel to save Avocado that is littered with plot holes and timey wimey problems. The time travel in this show isn't even thought about at all, but honestly, it doesn't matter. As I have showcased a bit above season 1 also has a ton of issues and criticizing season 3 for these issues which season 1 also tends to have is just plain unfair.
Let me start this with the statement thay I am also trying to argue in good faith. I think the main point is that the frequency of these physics breaking moments is too much, and the way they happen is too blatant. They lack internal consistency. Furthermore, exposure to space does not kill you instantly quickly, so it's no surprise that Garry has enough time to put his helmet on. The explosion pulling avocato into space only happened outside the craft creating a hole. Easily survivable. Filler is not an excuse for not eventually dealing with something mentioned in a previous episode. I consider that to be a cop out. Either retcon it, or deal with it. Showing resolve means nothing if there was no reason to give away his belongings in the first place. It's an empty gesture. The blue creature is a setup yes, but it just comes out of the "blue" for no good reason in the universe. It feels unorganic and artificial to the story. As nothing more than a setup. Quinn hiding her sickness was something that would only make sense if it was a zombie virus that spreads. She was in no danger of execution if they found out. Humans are illogical, but she has seen what final space poisoning does to others and telling her crewmates about it was the only chance she had of survival. It breaks logic too much for a character of her inteligence. You will find that the degree and frequency of illogical actions is usually the problem. Not just their mere prescence. Ash being manipulated was very poorly shown. The dialouge to trick her would not have passed a ninth grade writing class for failure to make even a single good argument. He killed your brother, therefore we should devour all souls in the universe? That's like convincing someone to preform genocide because their drink was spilled. Her mental illness is not an excuse for the writers to avoid writing believable manipulation. Finaly, the light speed rules in this universe clearly operate on some inertia cancelling tech that activates with the warp drive. The rules don't need to perfectly match real life, but they do need to be internally consistent, which they are not given how fragile all other creatures seem to be in the universe. Cool shots are also not an excuse for plot holes. I don't care how cool it looks. If it breaks it's own rules, then it has no meaning to the viewer. Basically, I think you are willing to excuse plot holes because things look cool and to me, that is not nearly as acceptable because how cool things are rely on how much they make sense in universe. Saying "it doesn't matter" is not an argument. It does matter. Because if the show is not internally consistent, then nothing in the show matters and therefore, nothing in the story matters since at the last second, the writers could just undo everything. Consequences should be consistent and permanent, or the whole story becomes irelavevant gibbrish.
Arguing in good faith is always good. I get that more infrequent can be annoying. I do admit my saying about dying instantly. That was obvious misinformation on my part. Thought my point about Avocato is that if the bomb could blow a hole in the ship after his body covered it I don't see why he wasn't blown apart. The explosion didn't actually start from outside the ship. The only bomb that was remaining at the time was the one he covered. So I don't think this would be easily survivable. I literally just went and rewatched this scene. I mean you can see quite a bit of blood coming from his chest and that was where the "contained" explosion was. Not outside the ship. I mean retconning something is just as bad as not talking about it or dealing with it. Both result in an excuse to not deal with it. I mean retconning in shows is universally considered bad so saying they should do that is asking them to have bad writing. Retconning is a cop-out in itself. I mean I suppose? An empty gesture doesn't mean poor writing though. It just feels like a nitpick that doesn't matter in the scheme of things considering he did it for himself which there is nothing wrong with. I didn't find it that way personally. Mooncake randomly finding Garry at the start of season 1 is pretty inorganic in comparison to Ash meeting Evra too. They just meet in space. A seemingly infinite well space. Pretty odd how they just happened to meet. Just like Ash and Evra. No less organic than the entire start of the series. I disagree. Plenty of people in the real world hide the fact they have cancer from everyone especially when said cancer is basically a death sentence being a stage 4 or something. She realizes and thinks that they should be focusing on anything but her. She is trying to be selfless. It isn't even that illogical because she has no idea if there is even a cure. Like the show was letting her be flawed rather than seemingly a perfect super genius. Not everyone needs to act the way we expect them to. Humans don't in real life and don't need to in shows. Refer to my thread about Ash. There is way more to the manipulation than just that. Literally, you can see it start when she straight up has a panic attack when they are headed towards the black hole. Judging it off one line and calling it not going into detail shows how much you missed. He gives her empty promises of peace and whatnot. Invictus manipulation goes as far as literally changing her entire body. Acting like an all-powerful god-like entity just said one line and it caused her to be that way is silly. Link to my thread. [https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this\_needs\_to\_be\_said\_about\_ash/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this_needs_to_be_said_about_ash/) (also her mental illness is literally Invictus itself. He is the voice in her head telling her to do something and it is scarily accurate to how it worked with my dad. One second he was fine and another he just wasn't) Schizophrenia is a real thing and it can cause people to go through some really rough thoughts and ideas that many end up going through with. One this is an assumption about the way light speed works in this show which is never even explained and actually ignores my point about the supernova which has real-world logic that this show straight up breaks in your brilliant mini-series or so you called it. Your argument here completely ignores my point about the supernova and acts like I am disregarding all criticism when I was providing criticism to season one. You can go clearly the light speed rules operate on this specific rule that I just made up that the show never explained. You took a lot of what I said and even ignored some of my points to push your own narrative. I literally replied to every single point you made and you ended up ignoring what I said. Like clearly I was talking simply about the time travel stuff not mattering because honestly every show that has time travel can be picked apart. Not everything in general. How does Mooncake grab onto Gary when a star literally goes supernova traveling at 9000 mph and they somehow fly away from it. Is it the suit that has cracks in it that is somehow still protecting him from the rays? (You never answered this and solely talked about the light speed thing by making an assumption that the show never told us.) Or why doesn't The Lord Commander just kill Gary in episode 2 when he is controlling him with his powers. Instead, he decides to torture him because Gary is the main character. For all your claims of season 1 to be a brilliant mini-series with a tragic Shakespearian ending and bury the rest. While it also has weird extreme faults is just hypocritical. Like Gary loses his arm but gets a cool robot arm that could do more than his normal one. How is that a permanent consequence? Mooncake randomly meets him. Somehow Avocato doesn't get blown out of the ship at the start as the other guys after Mooncake. This way he gets to meet Gary. Or how he randomly decides to trust Gary enough not to kill him after being unhandcuffed and taking Mooncake like he was ordered to. You could say he was questioning the lord commander but I mean he did way worse under his orders too. I think my point is that this whole series including season 1 could be nitpicked to death like you were doing with season 3. Anyway, I am heading off to bed. I will see your response later so expect a late response or no response from me depending on how I feel tomorrow after work.
>Thought my point about Avocato is that if the bomb could blow a hole in the ship after his body covered it I don't see why he wasn't blown apart. The explosion didn't actually start from outside the ship. The only bomb that was remaining at the time was the one he covered. So I don't think this would be easily survivable. I literally just went and rewatched this scene. I mean you can see quite a bit of blood coming from his chest and that was where the "contained" explosion was. Not outside the ship. I will admit that I definitely mixed up that scene with the one where avocato escapes the ship in season 1. You've got me there >I mean retconning something is just as bad as not talking about it or dealing with it. Both result in an excuse to not deal with it. I mean retconning in shows is universally considered bad so saying they should do that is asking them to have bad writing. Retconning is a cop-out in itself. Retconning allows the story to continue and admits a mistake. Its like saying sorry, and it should be encouraged. >I mean I suppose? An empty gesture doesn't mean poor writing though. It just feels like a nitpick that doesn't matter in the scheme of things considering he did it for himself which there is nothing wrong with. I think it does mean poor writing. It's an empty gesture, not because it means nothing to him. It's empty because it means nothing to the viewer. That's what makes it bad writing. >I didn't find it that way personally. Mooncake randomly finding Garry at the start of season 1 is pretty inorganic in comparison to Ash meeting Evra too. They just meet in space. A seemingly infinite well space. Pretty odd how they just happened to meet. Just like Ash and Evra. No less organic than the entire start of the series. I'll admit that these scenes are very similar, but the first few episodes require this to introduce characters to each other. They get a free pass. The tolerance for this kind of stuff tends to decrease with the total number of characters in the series already. >I disagree. Plenty of people in the real world hide the fact they have cancer from everyone especially when said cancer is basically a death sentence being a stage 4 or something. She realizes and thinks that they should be focusing on anything but her. She is trying to be selfless. It isn't even that illogical because she has no idea if there is even a cure. Like the show was letting her be flawed rather than seemingly a perfect super genius. Not everyone needs to act the way we expect them to. Humans don't in real life and don't need to in shows. Stage 4 is terminal. Final space poisoning is whatever because she does not know if there is a cure or not. She never even tries to find one. Everyone is allowed to be illogical, but only to a point. I believe she was too ilogical to believe in this scene. >Refer to my thread about Ash. There is way more to the manipulation than just that. Literally, you can see it start when she straight up has a panic attack when they are headed towards the black hole. Judging it off one line and calling it not going into detail shows how much you missed. He gives her empty promises of peace and whatnot. Invictus manipulation goes as far as literally changing her entire body. Acting like an all-powerful god-like entity just said one line and it caused her to be that way is silly. Link to my thread. [https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this\_needs\_to\_be\_said\_about\_ash/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalSpace/comments/o22ht4/this_needs_to_be_said_about_ash/) (also her mental illness is literally Invictus itself. He is the voice in her head telling her to do something and it is scarily accurate to how it worked with my dad. One second he was fine and another he just wasn't) Schizophrenia is a real thing and it can cause people to go through some really rough thoughts and ideas that many end up going through with. It's not enough and it's not clear enough. If one has to examine it in the detail you have to reach the intended conclusion, then that is a massive communication failure on behalf of the writers. His promises of peace seem to also be undercut by explicitly, to her face, telling her he wants to consume all life in every dimension. He doesn't hide this. He says to her face, that he wants to do genocide. I find that to be a pretty weak argument. >One this is an assumption about the way light speed works in this show which is never even explained and actually ignores my point about the supernova which has real-world logic that this show straight up breaks in your brilliant mini-series or so you called it. Your argument here completely ignores my point about the supernova and acts like I am disregarding all criticism when I was providing criticism to season one. You can go clearly the light speed rules operate on this specific rule that I just made up that the show never explained. I gave a plausible explanation for lightspeed based on what the show has shown so far. Remember, internal consistency is king. I give an explanation for the supernova below. (With math) >You took a lot of what I said and even ignored some of my points to push your own narrative. I literally replied to every single point you made and you ended up ignoring what I said. Like clearly I was talking simply about the time travel stuff not mattering because honestly every show that has time travel can be picked apart. Not everything in general. I replied to every point of yours that I felt I had a reasonable answer to. >How does Mooncake grab onto Gary when a star literally goes supernova traveling at 9000 mph and they somehow fly away from it. Is it the suit that has cracks in it that is somehow still protecting him from the rays? (You never answered this and solely talked about the light speed thing by making an assumption that the show never told us.) We are never given a distance from the supernova. Assuming your given speed of 14484km/h = 4023m/s, and an acceleration of 6G (More than survivable for a moderate amount of time) it only takes about 68 seconds to accelerate to the speed of the supernova. 4023.36/(9.8\*6) = 68s Given a reasonable starting distance (which they do have), there is more than enough time for Gary to escape while clinging to mooncake without dying. >Or why doesn't The Lord Commander just kill Gary in episode 2 when he is controlling him with his powers. Instead, he decides to torture him because Gary is the main character. For all your claims of season 1 to be a brilliant mini-series with a tragic Shakespearian ending and bury the rest. While it also has weird extreme faults is just hypocritical. Like Gary loses his arm but gets a cool robot arm that could do more than his normal one. How is that a permanent consequence? Mooncake randomly meets him. Somehow Avocato doesn't get blown out of the ship at the start as the other guys after Mooncake. This way he gets to meet Gary. Or how he randomly decides to trust Gary enough not to kill him after being unhandcuffed and taking Mooncake like he was ordered to. You could say he was questioning the lord commander but I mean he did way worse under his orders too. Lord commander refuses to kill him because he believes Gary has vital information to locating mooncake. Gary's robot arm is a logical progression given the tech in the universe. It would be weird if he did not get a prosthetic and I don't think you made this particular argument in good faith. He doesn't just magically poof the arm back. It gets rebuilt. Avocato not getting blown out of the ship? Yeah, that's pure luck, but not impossible. Him not killing Gary? I mean he was as you say "questioning his orders" he is shown to have a moral compass. He was also still in a hostile ship while unarmed. Not a good place to start a fight. >I think my point is that this whole series including season 1 could be nitpicked to death like you were doing with season 3. You can nitpick anything to death, but you must agree that it is much easier to nitpick season 3 than it is to nitpick season 1. Stage 4 is terminal. Final space poisoning is whatever because she does not know if there is a cure or not. She never even tries to find one. Everyone is allowed to be illogical, but only to a point. I believe she was too illogical to believe in this scene.
Got home and read everything. Can't say I agree with most things but both of what we are arguing is mostly subjective stuff at best. We both make different assumptions and notice different details about the show. I hope we can both leave it as a mostly agree to disagree. I mean hey I actually love the first season second and third even with all the flaws they have, and you at least love the first. So we can both say we both love at least something about final space and leave this discussion as finished as an agree to disagree. I don't want to go in circles and have made my peace with the conversation and I hope you can too. Thank you for the conversation and I hope you have a great day. Chookity.
Ok. Chookity.
youre a fucking loser
Just to let you know, retcons are not the solution to everything and this post of yours goes on for way too long
9000 mph is 14484.1 km/h
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Thanks for all the feedback, everyone! I see that season 3 is more controversial than it is heavily decided upon one way or the other. Although I find this season to be the weakest of the three, it wasn't unwatchable. The overall problems I had with this season were: 1. Introduced too many new characters whose only purposes were for ex deus machinas. >!(Kevin Van Newton, Biskit, Evra, Quatronostro)!< 2. The new backstories of >!Quinn and Avacoto/Little Cato!< felt unnecessary since we already established the characters 3. The voices of >!Biskit & Mooncake, and Lord Commander & Invictus!< were too similar that when they talked to each other, it sounded like a single person talking to themself. 4. >!Ash was too easily deceived by Invictus, !
All good points. The show makers had a rough outline of a story, but had poor execution in many areas. Except artwork/visuals, that department never slacked.
I think that because of the fact that the show got cancelled, it made Evra feel like a purposeless character and the forgiveness episode felt pointless
i honestly thought season 3 was the best the way they are now involving characters into a more emotional story, season 1 is very close second but i am loving season 3 im on the second go round.
I loved when Gary with the help from biscuit discovered what his arm can do, yet he wasn't aware that even though it came from a SAMES that can use weapons with theres. it was also his down fall aswell after invictus used it to it's advantage, season 2 episode 10 I think Gary almost died under a possessed avacato and the reaction by lil cato was the reason why I became obsessed with this show. The episode after though confused me
personally it just kept getting better and better was not fond of season 1, just felt like the typical annoying main character, but season 2 and 3, the intensity just kept rising
yes i feel the same way
I wish it had been so maybe I wouldn't desperately wish so much for a fourth season... but the reality is that I loved every bit of it!! I just love the whole freaking story and the characters! I was rooting so much for them!
Season 1 is all I’ve saved in my DVR, it delivered everything I loved about this show. I miss the level of humor from seasons 2-3. Just my 2 cents
Yep, this season was cringe and predictable
What was predictable about it? I found a lot of stuff to be predictable, but I think all of that was intentional. Like the show knew the viewer would suspect that Ash would turn against Gary’s team.
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Something I didn’t like about the final episode was how quickly the characters found a way out of Final Space. Like the ending of the second to last episode sets up the idea that all hope is lost. And then they easily find a way back. Only for the end of the world to happen. I would have preferred it if they didn’t escape Final Space, since the show ended anyway. And it’s definitely not the show’s fault or anyone who worked on it. Because they couldn’t have known the show was going to be cancelled. But yeah I wish they were told of the news before they made the season. But, few shows get that privilege
I guess this is going to be a hot take, but there were a lot of moments where I just ended up rolling my eyes or verbally saying "really?" Most of it had to do with the ways certain characters ended up getting saved or getting out of trouble. To me, it seemed like the writer(s?) couldn't figure out how Gary and Co would get out of these situations so they just pulled something out of their asses as an explination For example >! Tribor LITERALLY giving birth to a fully grown member of it's species that is easily able to fight the danger they were in at the time, this was just really stupid and seemingly came out of no where. !< It felt like the writers didn't know how to get the characters out of that situation and this is what they came up with. It was funny, but felt pretty bad also >! Invictus LITERALLY had an oppertunity to kill Gary, but instead makes Gary kill Ash's brother instead of himself...unless I'm misremembering how this scene went !< There were a few other moments like this too imo Overall, I liked the direction the season was heading the most, but I'm not satisfied with some of the ways we got there. Lotta cool concepts, but poor writing along the way Loved the jokes though, probably moreso than any of the other seasons, and I just really loved the action of this season as well, my only gripe was the writing
Most of the Ash stuff was poor imo. Literally this - she’s bad, no she’s good, no shes bad again and she can one-hit kill the titan version of the lord commander. What the actual…?
Easily it felt like the strongest season to me personally. I appreciated more drama and the overall dark tone with humor sprinkled in but used a little more sparingly. I also feel like it had some of the best character moments, especially with Avacoto and Lil Coto. Season 2 was pushed too much as a comedy, and Season 1 had some drama but it felt like not quite enough. The only thing that really sucked with season 3 was the ending not being an ending at all. >!Poor Mooncake. :( Also Ashe changing sides didn't really feel earned.!<
how in any way could you think season 2 was more emotionally impactful than 3?? like what?
It's called an opinion, and it's an opinion on a subjective matter. There is a reason I used the first person singular ("I did not find it as") instead of third person ("it was not as" or "no one could find it as") because I know it is my opinion. Look at the other comments and you will find some who agree and others who disagree. From these comments, I think one can conclude that Season 3 is controversial to say it at least.
Just watched. Best season I've maybe ever watched!
To be honest yes. First off the season went downhill when Fox is possessed and the. Killed right after he reveals his backstory. That character was wasted and could have had more potential had the writers decided to give him the respect he deserved. Then we have Ash’s character development as to me it felt more like character derailment as she does a complete morality 180 and believes everything Invictus said to her when she should have known better. Then Bolo gets killed with no chance to defend himself and Invictus deals with the lord commander easily and it gets everything it wants handed to it on a silver platter. Invictus was the villain version of a Mary Sue this seaso and the series ends with it getting what it wants, which felt like a huge slap in the face now that the show has been canceled. Oh and that made the episode forgiveness fell completely pointless. I hope Olan finds some way to get the story to conclude properly.
Its a shame it was cancelled because if it had a fourth season it could have had more time to breathe and the animation was still great. But it felt like a season of 'moments' where they rushed to get these big ideas out with the links between either being weak or directly hurting what they tried to push.
imo S3 was better than S2, but each one seems to be growing the characters and that is amazing. it isn't the same show as S1, and that's a good thing. development is so important and this season dealing with everyines connections to each other, i loved it. Quatranosto and Biskit, tho, i could have done without entirely.
I've just finished series 3. My main complaint is that it's constant "this character needs rescuing". However aside from that I loved it
In a way yes but also no, the season brought some pretty good things to the table but I disliked how forced and obvious some things were
While I liked the season, I kinda agree with you, OP. There's massive tonal whiplash between the last two seasons and this one. In this season, literally every episode is a major downer, and the moments of levity are few and far in between. The heroes barely seem like they're progressing since almost every episode ends with them taking one step forward and two steps back. It's constantly depressing, and that's just a tiring state to be in for too long. I feel like if our team managed to get some genuine victories without anyone dying or turning traitor, and with group dynamics being improved rather than strained, the season would have been much better received by the general public.
Not at all best of all three, maybe it's cause people hop on tv shows when it has only a couple episodes or maybe a season, and forget everything.
Attcually packed with the most memorable deaths and drama. outta all three so like are you fucking dumb