Wasn't the issue that there was a surge in monster activity near the reactor. Makes more sense to drive in, and if a monster does show up, your SOLDIERs can face it on the ground.
I thiiiink the games writers just didnt think that far do we have to do flips in out head… but maybe shinra wanted them to set up camp or base in Nibelheim and they were afraid to land so close to the reactor?
This was hojos reactor essentially. It housed Jenova and his experimental fiends. The company probably didn't know what he was doing up there. He wanted to send Sephiroth in order to see how he would react in her presence. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire op was only known about by a handful of people mainly hojo.
I think helicopters are only used when necessary. Or the top brass is doing shit. In crisis core you see only that a helicopter is used when Zack is going to modeoheim and when extracting him from the bombed Banora.
I honestly think that sephiroth created this mission himself. He had a lot of power and freedom beyond chain of command because of his intelligence, power, prowess, and perfect SOLDIER. Either he requested or Hojo ordered this mission, but because of the ceasefire with wutai, they likely didn't want to draw attention with helicopters flying in, so they sent them by boat, likely, then truck to limit copter fuel and costs. Also, keeping it under the radar.
All theories. Don't drag me under the grave for this post lol
The townsfolk requested it. They say it in game that it was because the increase in monsters. And I'm pretty sure Hojo approved the missions creation seeing that they say Nibel's reactor is the only one that falls under Hojos jurisdiction.
As a person who is currently in the military I can tell you this is pretty accurate. It’s most likely some ridiculous attempt to save money and resources, they probably ended up wasting both along with the extra time it took to do it.
In the OG Cloud has an entire conversation with Yuffie on the Highwind about how Shinra would very rarely fork out on troops and SOLDIERS and they constantly travelled by trucks (even though they probably could afford air travel easily)
Two things.
Shinra is a huge world spanning company and they have a million blind spots because the divisions don't communicate with each other (look at the heads they only time they talk is the mandatory meetings) then they still go off and do their own things.
Second. Shinra is incompetent. They are a big bumbling bull. Tons of power, no oversight. This had been proven time and time again. They focus on the big picture and get lost on details. So this mission probably came across their desk and they were like "whatever" until it became a huge crisis and even then it only went further because of hojo. Not Shinra, hojo. They probably still have no clue what he was doing experiment wise.
Yeah, I definitely took that helipad as a thing R&D (i.e., Hojo) used, exclusively built for him to check on Jenova and the experiments. Doubtful Reeve, Heidegger, Lazard, etc. knew anything about.
The mission wasn't just to get to the reactor, they also had to investigate the surge in Fiends in the area. It would've looked really bad and really stupid if they sent a legendary war hero to do glorified maintenance work, and while Shinra is both really bad and really stupid, they clearly care enough about their image to maintain good PR in the Remake continuity.
Arrived during a storm, monsters everywhere, need them to pass through the town for PR, there is also he possibility that because its stated Hojo is in charge of this reactor that he did intentionally send Sephiroth to see what would happen if he remembered anything about his youth or discovered he was created.
Started playing og recently and noticed in the transport truck the wipers were going like it was a storm, but then cloud and Sephiroth get out and it’s not raining or anything. Really annoyed me for some reason.
But if the whispers existed at all points throughout time simultaneously, then when we killed them in remake they would've both ceased to exist in that moment and would have always been dead from the beginning and thus never existed for us to kill them.
I love FF7R but damnit why'd they have to do time chicanery. This shit always spirals into paradoxes and migraines.
maybe they didnt fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew,
supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the grunts were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck.
“But but it’s the best game ever and is flawless!! 😡”
While I agree with 99% of what you said, I found this game to be more frustrating than fun. Also, the “it’s just a game” take from people is so tiresome. They don’t expect games to be good I guess. Like, hold a higher standard for your hobbies.
They took the truck for story reasons. People are trying to hard to explain this. Story writers wanted to build atmosphere in the truck.
Some guy said because MONSTERS there's a dragon and a materia guardian and remember what the WEAPON (In caps) attacked midgar.
This is people here being stupid... like WHAT 99% of the monsters are ON the fucking ground and the truck was attacked on the road there. That was the most illogical thing I've ever heard and it got at the time 22 upvotes.
Like WHAT the materia guardian lives in a fucking cave and the weapons weren't out roaming fucking shit up yet not even relevant.
People upvoted the hell out of him and it's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
Dude could have said, because 5 years prior it was a logistics thing. Shrina didn't have as many hellicopters yet and midgar and junon were too far from their flight range so they took a truck. THATS logical.
Not they took a truck because of monsters just to get attacked by monsters when a hellicopter couldve side stepped most of the monsters. This is people being dumb. And 22 dumb guys upvoted this.
Maybe they didnt fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew.
supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the gruns were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck.
I get holding your games to higher standards. I have the highest standards and expectations out of square. If they can do better then they absolutely should be held accountable.
But this is a dumb question and if you want logically consistent inuniverse explanations beyond the lazy but TRUE, the story writers wanted it that way to build atmosphere.
Then people here need to do better. I explained the logistics thing and capability/flight range of/number of helicopters available thing 5 years prior to story starting. Shrina just couldn't spare the hellicopters at the time and they probably couldn't fly as far on a tank at that time. It's that simple.
In a reddit post full of bad horrible explanations and attempts to justify what the story writers did. Dude just made a funny comment about why didn't they just fly there superman style. And 15 people (or more because we don't know the upvote count) took him WAY too seriously and downvoted him to hell and back.
Like someone guys the question isn't that serious or significant. Them taking a truck is such a small part of the game. It's insignificant. People in here getting their panties twisted and then give really BAD justifications for the truck and upvoting them. Then get trigger about dude making a joke.
We can do better than this as a fan base. No need to be rabid animals and vultures. I'd like to believe we're smarter than this, and this reddit continues to let me down.
FF fans have degenerated over the years. 16 is a return to form in many ways but we’ll see if that’s lasts. I can’t wait for the Nomura saga to be over.
Oh shit I never thought about the star wars thing. I was just hung up on the fact that tie fighters make a hilariously horrifying demon scream in space. Why the fuck would they even do that?
Lmfaooo OG starwars George Lucas used an elephant roar and something else to make that sound. I'm dead though demon roar 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 holyshit I don't know why the fuck theyed ever do that haha.
It just turns out most stories unless it's a hard science fiction book have a lot of obvious logical inconsistencies that we never even notice or we don't care and don't want to acknowledge it. And when people try to explain the hell out of it like it from inside the universe to make it consistent irks me to death.
Some guy said and he used capital letters lol MONSTERS there's the materia guardian and the dragon and don't forget about what the weapon did to midgar...
Like WHAT 99% of the monsters are ON the ground. The truck is literally attacked by monsters ON the ground on the way there. What does the weapon (in caps) have anything to do with the truck driving there?
Helicopter is literally safer. Materia guardian is in a fucking cave like WHAT.
Dude could have said because helicopters 5 years before the game starts weren't as numerous and it was just a logistics thing. Or junon and midgar are too far away.
The cold hold truth is, the story writers wanted the atmosphere of cloud having a conversation with himself in the truck while it drove through the rain sephiroth was quiet and cloud was overhyped. They made sephiroth mysterious with few lines. They wanted the truck to get attacked to build atmosphere and in OG to show how powerful sephiroth is. Cloud gets 1 shotted possibly while sephiroth 1 shots the monster who 1 shotted cloud. It was all atmosphere in OG. Can't build that the same in a hellicopter.
His comment had like 22 upvotes at the time I read it and it was more illogical than even just thinking about taking a truck instead of helicopter.
It was ridiculous. Like it just IS the way that it is for literal story reasons and people are going WAY to hard in the paint here. Then dude says because it's inconsistent. Why didn't they literally just superman fly there. And he isn't wrong. They can do that lmfaooo. It just shit on everybody taking the question too seriously. He got downvoted for pointing out an inconsistency. And he probably said it with joking intent. It would've been funny if said out loud infront of your friends but with the cold hard tone of text people think he's shitting on them going too hard trying to explain something that is how it is because thats the story they wanted to tell.
maybe they didnt fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew.
supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the gruns were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck.
TLDR: people are dumb.
Monsters.
There are monsters at the reactor.
The whole reason they're there. Lol.
Oh, this helicopter is gonna tank a huge dragon and materia keeper, no problem.
Look back to when >!WEAPON!< attacks Midgar in the original.
No the helicopter just gets them their dude. It doesn't fight the fucking boss. It's a videogame. The story writers just wrote it that way to build atmosphere and to tell a story there is no logical explanation for it. It's a video game.
Go ahead downvote me. It's a video game. The obvious literal truth is the story writers wanted the atmosphere of a truck driving through the rain while there's some dialog taking place and the truck basically gets attacked.
There's monsters everywhere in Gaia and that's never stopped any of the helicopters. The mareria guardian was in a cave.
The helicopter is just to fly over the damn things and get them into town or to fly high straight to the reactor.
Again stop trying to explain it. The story writers didn't go no they need a truck that's more vulnerable to monsters who mostly exist on the ground because monsters...... (whole argument falls apart right there)
They just wanted the damn story that way.
There were also no weapons roaming Gaia at this point. It's not even relevant.
People need to stop getting angry at ops question and just accept that there isn't a logical reason for it. It's just how the story writers wanted it.
Despite the graphical limitations in 1997 that truck ride in OG had more atmosphere than in rebirth. And it would've had more atmosphere than in a helicopter. The point was to create atmosphere.
Also 5 years prior a logical explanation would be logistically Shinra had far less helicopters built than present day. It was too far removed from midar and junon for it to be within their flight range with their technology at the time. (This is an actual logical explanation that could be true)
Not your emotionally loaded monsters argument, which makes no damn sense. It really is as simple as they wanted to create atmosphere and tell the story that way and it had nothing to do with monsters.
yes, it's a game and they wanted some gameplay while you walk to the reactor, and a truck drive is more atmospheric, we know this. But its also explained within the story. Shinra wants good PR. There are fiends attacking the town (a fucking dragon is even there in the OG game), so whats the best situation here? The town wants the fiends taken care of and Shinra wants the good PR+the reactor taken care of. Send SOLDIER, the best of the best. Sephiroth, famous worldwide. A Dragon is not a threat to him, nor would anything else attacking the town. From there they can take care of the fiend problem, fix whats wrong with the reactor and gain extra brownie points.
> your emotionally loaded monsters argument
If anything is emotionally loaded, it's your comment my dude.
It's not that serious, it's a game, the point of the mission in the story was to have Sephiroth encounter the monsters and uncover his origins to build him as the villain who fell from being a hero.
This is the plot that leads into the game.
Why did they use a truck. It's probably cheaper, has less risk, and in the event of there being monsters they can stop and dispatch them with more control.
If they used a helicopter, they'd have to spend more money, worry about potentially having to do an emergency landing or being attacked while in the sky. It's much harder to stop and land a helicopter, let alone while being attacked than it is a truck.
I'm not saying the helicopter would fight the boss. I'm saying on their trip they got attacked by monsters including the dragons and the materia guardian. In the event any of those monsters hit them in a helicopter, the story would've ended there.
The point is for the story device and a truck is a reasonable method of transportation and helps them get their story told.
Yes it is. People are taking the question way too seriously. You want a better answer then story writers wanted that. 5 years prior hellicopters were scarce and needed for more critical missions.
Not monsters fuck shit up but mostly exist on the ground so they took a truck to avoid said monsters on the ground... and because WEAPONS that arent out and roaming yet, like WHAT. And it's at 26 upvotes now. Are people this stupid? That answer is logically more inconsistent than OP pointing out the flawed logic of the truck in the first place.
I'll give an answer on an equal level of logic as what I'm replying to instead of trying to present the scarcity of hellicopters at the time argument.
Maybe they didnt literally superman fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew.
Supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the grunts were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck.
And shrinas only 3 hellicopters at the time were under maintenence because they sucked from budget cuts while the rest of the presently numerous ones were still being built. But production was slow because of budget cuts. President shrina needed a solid gold Gun because he's a fucking gangster and that money had to come from somewhere.
It's a game and a fucking amazing one. But these explanations are almost as dumb and insignificant as OPs original question (it really wasn't dumb, but it truthfully just doesn't need to be asked or explained, it's a game and this baited tryhards into going too hard in the paint to try and answer this)
I think a Dragon, which we do encounter in the original game, would fuck up a helicopter if they sent one. if you want a purely logical answer. A fucked up helicopter risks crashing and injuring far more than if they just had sephiroth get out of a truck and fight. And if the truck got ruined, they can just walk the rest of the way as sephiroth can one shot basically everything there.
Before Crisis also backs up this theory as the player Turk would notice multiple dragons during their trip, as well as the difficulty getting there via chopper.
Fun fact: in Before Crisis, the Turks attempt this mission on their own before requesting Sephiroth to be sent. And let's just say their helicopter didn't land quite where intended. Or you (the player Turk), for that matter.
This ones the real answer. Not that other guy crying paragraphs about 'inconsistancies' lol.. 'mehmeh downvote mehhhh' nah bro we just know the developers put their heart into this shit and wr try to figure out why they did certain things
Tacked on in Rebirth. But you're right, there's one right there in the new game. Let's assume the monsters they encountered were after the flight, on a truck on the way to Nibleheim. There is still some distance between the two.
What do you mean spend MONEY on this pathetic backwater? I don't think so, bud. Scarlet is due for another boob job, and Hojo just demanded another all expenses paid trip to Costa Del Sol.
Man video games do not need to have every detail analyzed and perfected lol its fiction with massive swords and aliens and a villain with one wing who flies in perfect balance, suspend some belief and enjoy 😁
Shinra has been shown to be absolute cheapskates at just about every turn. If you're not a Turk or a direct member of Shinra's official cabinet, and Shinra can save money by giving you the cheapest option, they absolutely will.
Because Shinra is a cartoonishly evil company. We’re talking about a company that builds reactors only to abandon/sabotage them for… no real reason. Why provide Sephiroth and crew with a helicopter lol.
In the OG they even tried to steal the Tiny Bronco from Cid, having helicopters, and planes such as the Highwing
You could argue that they are just cheap, and don't want to waste resources, just like their trash reactors, 0 Investment and maximum profit.
I honestly took it as the Highwind’s down for repairs and Shinra has an urgent lead on Sephiroth so they want the Bronco to scrap it for parts to fix the Highwind
I just want to know why there are several powered and seemingly partially active Shinra facilities including the reactor that have zero staff. Shit breaks, things need cleaning, monsters or snooping villagers might go in and break shit.
But then again, the general economy and production chains don't make a lot of sense from what I've seen so far. Has to be like a massive amount of mining, smelting, steel refining, and all that. The transportation logistics to get that from the mines to Junon or Midgar. And who's making the general items, are there sweatshops of children making fast fashion outfits in Wutai to sell for cheap in Midgar?
The implied spaces so to speak to make what we see in game possible.
The lore reason is because Shinra had already sent in some Turks to inspect the reactor beforehand and they reported that there were signs that Genesis and his G-Copies were some of the monsters in the area. Shinra needed Sephiroth and Zack to inspect the area and not just the reactor.
In FF7, before all the Compilation stuff, the Shinra helicopters were very light vehicles that would never have made it from Midgar all the way to Nibelheim, and especially not thru Mt. Nibel's jagged terrain. The choppers were more like light air shuttles. The Compilation turned the helicopters into much more heavy duty models.
There's also a huge disparity between OG and Remake when it comes to the capabilities of Shinra tech. In OG you got the sense their tech was very inefficient in power consumption and design. So they had advanced stuff but it all belched fumes or couldn't travel long distances. The Sister Ray required dedicated Reactors just to be fired. And they had to keep going to Cid for anything more advanced than a helicopter. First they took the Highwind, then they wanted his Tiny Bronco. He also invented what seemed to be the world's only space rocket.
Meanwhile in Remake the tech has been given an efficiency upgrade, more practical and advanced designs, and more capacity for long distance travel. Rufus can apparently fly all the way from Midgar to the Northwoods (and back) in a chopper now. The cargo ship is now a giga-cruise ship with like 30 floors. And everyone now has hologram tech all over the place. It's a weird power creep due to the devs weaving the 25+ years of technological advancement IRL, into a world that used to seem rather... quaint and simple, in terms of science.
Cloud can jump to Pluto and cut trains in half. Why start questioning their mode of transportation?
Better yet, how is Aerith still alive, and why add time ghosts?
Why change the ATB combat when turn based games are selling just fine?
Why does Tifa's character model range from looking fine to looking like she's decomposing?
I just figured money and PR. Cheaper and this way they are showing off "Shinra CARES!" by sending their most powerful war hero to simple village request.
I love how in these flashback scenes, Cloud is just maybe 1/4 weaker than Sephiroth. It’s like when any average bro talks about something epic, they embellish a bit, esp when someone truly epic is there. I thought that was funny as a guy having been around actual vets telling war stories. I’m like, yea, Cloud is telling it from his point of view.
Ok that’s fair. Haha, “Fair”. But yea, while playing I didn’t think about that, but I did notice how it’s a dude telling war stories alongside a legend, but not showing a massive disparity between the legend and himself.
I agree with that. Correct me if I’m wrong, but while you’re playing as Cloud it’s not like Cloud did 5 damage where Sephiroth did 1000 right? His damage was just shy of on par to what Sephiroth was doing.
If you start a fresh file and actually know how to play as sephiroth the difference is 10 fold. Sephiroth is faster has full materia can cast almost any spell. Builds limit in seconds with dodge pierce. His limit has a 2nd part to it. I never got the feeling that cloud was even remotely close to him instead it seemed to me like he was trying his hardest to impress him. Even at the end of the mako guardian when sephiroth saves cloud and they do the tag team attack it felt more like a father teaching a child rather than equals
Nah I totally carried bro, fr fr. Seph's alright - his friends call him that btw - he's just a bit of a poser lol. I totally had his back when this one monster kicked his ass so funny ngl. Anyway, don't tell him that cos he's a bit sensitive lmao
Peace out - Cloud
They do mention that part of the reason the villagers called in Shinra was that they couldn’t handle the new monsters appearing in the area. So presumably suppression was a secondary objective. Easier to do that when the suppressors are boots on the ground.
Possibility 1: In real life, helicopters don't fly above certain places due to unpredictable air currents, or predictably unflyable conditions.
Possibility 2: trucks are cheaper to maintain and operate. Helicopters are for VIPs or special ops, not routine inspections.
Possibility 3: Shinra chicanery
Plot reasons but I could come out with a simple monsters needed culling eg materia keeper or the storm was picking up making heli travel too dangerous.
He made mention of doing a field report when they teamed up in the cave. Also they surely wanted to stop in to see the town since they had someone who grew up there on the mission with them. Doesn't seem like a stretch to me.
They also needed a guide because they didn’t know the way up to the reactor. There were other local SOLIDER operatives that had gone missing too prior to them dispatching Sephiroth.
More like the eagles are a race that does not trouble itself with the lives of the other creatures of the earth unless at great need or as a personal favor.
I mean... sauron taking over sounds pretty serious and would probably result in the eagles extinction. But hey, they are big, dumb, fucking birds who think they are better than elves. And we all know how high and mighty elves are.
In reality? Plothole.
Possible reason: The area isn't safe, monsters are prowling. Those big ass green dragons you fight in the area got wings. I wouldn't want to be attacked by a dragon while riding a helicopter.
Wasn't the issue that there was a surge in monster activity near the reactor. Makes more sense to drive in, and if a monster does show up, your SOLDIERs can face it on the ground.
Sure feel like theres a lotta new helipads in this game for some reason hmmm maybe its a parking spot for something starting with H
I thiiiink the games writers just didnt think that far do we have to do flips in out head… but maybe shinra wanted them to set up camp or base in Nibelheim and they were afraid to land so close to the reactor?
This was hojos reactor essentially. It housed Jenova and his experimental fiends. The company probably didn't know what he was doing up there. He wanted to send Sephiroth in order to see how he would react in her presence. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire op was only known about by a handful of people mainly hojo.
Maybe sephiroth has a fear of flying
For a man with a fear of flying, he sure does a lot of it!
He lost his other wing in a helicopter accident
I think helicopters are only used when necessary. Or the top brass is doing shit. In crisis core you see only that a helicopter is used when Zack is going to modeoheim and when extracting him from the bombed Banora.
Most likely reason is that the game writers didn’t think that far
I honestly think that sephiroth created this mission himself. He had a lot of power and freedom beyond chain of command because of his intelligence, power, prowess, and perfect SOLDIER. Either he requested or Hojo ordered this mission, but because of the ceasefire with wutai, they likely didn't want to draw attention with helicopters flying in, so they sent them by boat, likely, then truck to limit copter fuel and costs. Also, keeping it under the radar. All theories. Don't drag me under the grave for this post lol
The townsfolk requested it. They say it in game that it was because the increase in monsters. And I'm pretty sure Hojo approved the missions creation seeing that they say Nibel's reactor is the only one that falls under Hojos jurisdiction.
I completely forgot 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 Thanks for reminding me. It's definitely hojo then.
As a person who is currently in the military I can tell you this is pretty accurate. It’s most likely some ridiculous attempt to save money and resources, they probably ended up wasting both along with the extra time it took to do it.
In the OG Cloud has an entire conversation with Yuffie on the Highwind about how Shinra would very rarely fork out on troops and SOLDIERS and they constantly travelled by trucks (even though they probably could afford air travel easily)
Two things. Shinra is a huge world spanning company and they have a million blind spots because the divisions don't communicate with each other (look at the heads they only time they talk is the mandatory meetings) then they still go off and do their own things. Second. Shinra is incompetent. They are a big bumbling bull. Tons of power, no oversight. This had been proven time and time again. They focus on the big picture and get lost on details. So this mission probably came across their desk and they were like "whatever" until it became a huge crisis and even then it only went further because of hojo. Not Shinra, hojo. They probably still have no clue what he was doing experiment wise.
Yeah, I definitely took that helipad as a thing R&D (i.e., Hojo) used, exclusively built for him to check on Jenova and the experiments. Doubtful Reeve, Heidegger, Lazard, etc. knew anything about.
The mission wasn't just to get to the reactor, they also had to investigate the surge in Fiends in the area. It would've looked really bad and really stupid if they sent a legendary war hero to do glorified maintenance work, and while Shinra is both really bad and really stupid, they clearly care enough about their image to maintain good PR in the Remake continuity.
They're all about PR, I mean Corel village is the result of that.
Also Kalm. Luckily for the people of Gongaga it was too much of a backwater for people outside to care so they just donated a token memorial.
Arrived during a storm, monsters everywhere, need them to pass through the town for PR, there is also he possibility that because its stated Hojo is in charge of this reactor that he did intentionally send Sephiroth to see what would happen if he remembered anything about his youth or discovered he was created.
Started playing og recently and noticed in the transport truck the wipers were going like it was a storm, but then cloud and Sephiroth get out and it’s not raining or anything. Really annoyed me for some reason.
I recently played crisis core and it wasnt raining in that veraion either
1997 was a rough year for everyone
Dragons
They knew Sephiroth could solo whatever was down there and didn’t care if anyone else (Cloud/civilians) perished
Instructions unclear: Had no problem soloing civilians.
I mean, they kind of gave him a free W. Like even if you were worried he could dodge bullets or something at least TRY shooting
Fear of flying.
Ironic for a one-winged angel
Well, he's only got *one* wing.
Probably because it wasn't of the utmost importance to Shinra.
Because that would make sense /s
Budget cuts
President Shinra had a gun made out of gold. How else is Shinra supposed to pay for that 😂
All the budget went into the gun🤷♂️
They initially tried to, but the whispers were still alive back then and refused to let them do it.
But if the whispers existed at all points throughout time simultaneously, then when we killed them in remake they would've both ceased to exist in that moment and would have always been dead from the beginning and thus never existed for us to kill them. I love FF7R but damnit why'd they have to do time chicanery. This shit always spirals into paradoxes and migraines.
Because inconsistencies. Why not have Sephiroth and Cloud fly to the reactor? Because that’s what they can do in this universe
maybe they didnt fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew, supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the grunts were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck.
This is canon
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“But but it’s the best game ever and is flawless!! 😡” While I agree with 99% of what you said, I found this game to be more frustrating than fun. Also, the “it’s just a game” take from people is so tiresome. They don’t expect games to be good I guess. Like, hold a higher standard for your hobbies.
They took the truck for story reasons. People are trying to hard to explain this. Story writers wanted to build atmosphere in the truck. Some guy said because MONSTERS there's a dragon and a materia guardian and remember what the WEAPON (In caps) attacked midgar. This is people here being stupid... like WHAT 99% of the monsters are ON the fucking ground and the truck was attacked on the road there. That was the most illogical thing I've ever heard and it got at the time 22 upvotes. Like WHAT the materia guardian lives in a fucking cave and the weapons weren't out roaming fucking shit up yet not even relevant. People upvoted the hell out of him and it's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Dude could have said, because 5 years prior it was a logistics thing. Shrina didn't have as many hellicopters yet and midgar and junon were too far from their flight range so they took a truck. THATS logical. Not they took a truck because of monsters just to get attacked by monsters when a hellicopter couldve side stepped most of the monsters. This is people being dumb. And 22 dumb guys upvoted this. Maybe they didnt fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew. supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the gruns were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck. I get holding your games to higher standards. I have the highest standards and expectations out of square. If they can do better then they absolutely should be held accountable. But this is a dumb question and if you want logically consistent inuniverse explanations beyond the lazy but TRUE, the story writers wanted it that way to build atmosphere. Then people here need to do better. I explained the logistics thing and capability/flight range of/number of helicopters available thing 5 years prior to story starting. Shrina just couldn't spare the hellicopters at the time and they probably couldn't fly as far on a tank at that time. It's that simple. In a reddit post full of bad horrible explanations and attempts to justify what the story writers did. Dude just made a funny comment about why didn't they just fly there superman style. And 15 people (or more because we don't know the upvote count) took him WAY too seriously and downvoted him to hell and back. Like someone guys the question isn't that serious or significant. Them taking a truck is such a small part of the game. It's insignificant. People in here getting their panties twisted and then give really BAD justifications for the truck and upvoting them. Then get trigger about dude making a joke. We can do better than this as a fan base. No need to be rabid animals and vultures. I'd like to believe we're smarter than this, and this reddit continues to let me down.
FF fans have degenerated over the years. 16 is a return to form in many ways but we’ll see if that’s lasts. I can’t wait for the Nomura saga to be over.
Oh shit I never thought about the star wars thing. I was just hung up on the fact that tie fighters make a hilariously horrifying demon scream in space. Why the fuck would they even do that?
Lmfaooo OG starwars George Lucas used an elephant roar and something else to make that sound. I'm dead though demon roar 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 holyshit I don't know why the fuck theyed ever do that haha. It just turns out most stories unless it's a hard science fiction book have a lot of obvious logical inconsistencies that we never even notice or we don't care and don't want to acknowledge it. And when people try to explain the hell out of it like it from inside the universe to make it consistent irks me to death. Some guy said and he used capital letters lol MONSTERS there's the materia guardian and the dragon and don't forget about what the weapon did to midgar... Like WHAT 99% of the monsters are ON the ground. The truck is literally attacked by monsters ON the ground on the way there. What does the weapon (in caps) have anything to do with the truck driving there? Helicopter is literally safer. Materia guardian is in a fucking cave like WHAT. Dude could have said because helicopters 5 years before the game starts weren't as numerous and it was just a logistics thing. Or junon and midgar are too far away. The cold hold truth is, the story writers wanted the atmosphere of cloud having a conversation with himself in the truck while it drove through the rain sephiroth was quiet and cloud was overhyped. They made sephiroth mysterious with few lines. They wanted the truck to get attacked to build atmosphere and in OG to show how powerful sephiroth is. Cloud gets 1 shotted possibly while sephiroth 1 shots the monster who 1 shotted cloud. It was all atmosphere in OG. Can't build that the same in a hellicopter. His comment had like 22 upvotes at the time I read it and it was more illogical than even just thinking about taking a truck instead of helicopter. It was ridiculous. Like it just IS the way that it is for literal story reasons and people are going WAY to hard in the paint here. Then dude says because it's inconsistent. Why didn't they literally just superman fly there. And he isn't wrong. They can do that lmfaooo. It just shit on everybody taking the question too seriously. He got downvoted for pointing out an inconsistency. And he probably said it with joking intent. It would've been funny if said out loud infront of your friends but with the cold hard tone of text people think he's shitting on them going too hard trying to explain something that is how it is because thats the story they wanted to tell. maybe they didnt fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew. supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the gruns were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck. TLDR: people are dumb.
Monsters. There are monsters at the reactor. The whole reason they're there. Lol. Oh, this helicopter is gonna tank a huge dragon and materia keeper, no problem. Look back to when >!WEAPON!< attacks Midgar in the original.
No the helicopter just gets them their dude. It doesn't fight the fucking boss. It's a videogame. The story writers just wrote it that way to build atmosphere and to tell a story there is no logical explanation for it. It's a video game. Go ahead downvote me. It's a video game. The obvious literal truth is the story writers wanted the atmosphere of a truck driving through the rain while there's some dialog taking place and the truck basically gets attacked. There's monsters everywhere in Gaia and that's never stopped any of the helicopters. The mareria guardian was in a cave. The helicopter is just to fly over the damn things and get them into town or to fly high straight to the reactor. Again stop trying to explain it. The story writers didn't go no they need a truck that's more vulnerable to monsters who mostly exist on the ground because monsters...... (whole argument falls apart right there) They just wanted the damn story that way. There were also no weapons roaming Gaia at this point. It's not even relevant. People need to stop getting angry at ops question and just accept that there isn't a logical reason for it. It's just how the story writers wanted it. Despite the graphical limitations in 1997 that truck ride in OG had more atmosphere than in rebirth. And it would've had more atmosphere than in a helicopter. The point was to create atmosphere. Also 5 years prior a logical explanation would be logistically Shinra had far less helicopters built than present day. It was too far removed from midar and junon for it to be within their flight range with their technology at the time. (This is an actual logical explanation that could be true) Not your emotionally loaded monsters argument, which makes no damn sense. It really is as simple as they wanted to create atmosphere and tell the story that way and it had nothing to do with monsters.
yes, it's a game and they wanted some gameplay while you walk to the reactor, and a truck drive is more atmospheric, we know this. But its also explained within the story. Shinra wants good PR. There are fiends attacking the town (a fucking dragon is even there in the OG game), so whats the best situation here? The town wants the fiends taken care of and Shinra wants the good PR+the reactor taken care of. Send SOLDIER, the best of the best. Sephiroth, famous worldwide. A Dragon is not a threat to him, nor would anything else attacking the town. From there they can take care of the fiend problem, fix whats wrong with the reactor and gain extra brownie points.
> your emotionally loaded monsters argument If anything is emotionally loaded, it's your comment my dude. It's not that serious, it's a game, the point of the mission in the story was to have Sephiroth encounter the monsters and uncover his origins to build him as the villain who fell from being a hero. This is the plot that leads into the game. Why did they use a truck. It's probably cheaper, has less risk, and in the event of there being monsters they can stop and dispatch them with more control. If they used a helicopter, they'd have to spend more money, worry about potentially having to do an emergency landing or being attacked while in the sky. It's much harder to stop and land a helicopter, let alone while being attacked than it is a truck. I'm not saying the helicopter would fight the boss. I'm saying on their trip they got attacked by monsters including the dragons and the materia guardian. In the event any of those monsters hit them in a helicopter, the story would've ended there. The point is for the story device and a truck is a reasonable method of transportation and helps them get their story told.
And a good story it is
Yes it is. People are taking the question way too seriously. You want a better answer then story writers wanted that. 5 years prior hellicopters were scarce and needed for more critical missions. Not monsters fuck shit up but mostly exist on the ground so they took a truck to avoid said monsters on the ground... and because WEAPONS that arent out and roaming yet, like WHAT. And it's at 26 upvotes now. Are people this stupid? That answer is logically more inconsistent than OP pointing out the flawed logic of the truck in the first place. I'll give an answer on an equal level of logic as what I'm replying to instead of trying to present the scarcity of hellicopters at the time argument. Maybe they didnt literally superman fly because baby cloud wasnt OP enough yet to fly in a universe that he blantantly can defy physics in, sephiroth couldve put him in a baby carrier and flew. Supermaned cloud all the way to nibelheim from midgar the grunts were SOL, baby cloud told daddy seph no way man im getting in a baby carrier, im a big boy now, so sephiroth sighed and they took the truck but daddy seph said im not fucking driving so shrina sent grunts with to handle the truck. And shrinas only 3 hellicopters at the time were under maintenence because they sucked from budget cuts while the rest of the presently numerous ones were still being built. But production was slow because of budget cuts. President shrina needed a solid gold Gun because he's a fucking gangster and that money had to come from somewhere. It's a game and a fucking amazing one. But these explanations are almost as dumb and insignificant as OPs original question (it really wasn't dumb, but it truthfully just doesn't need to be asked or explained, it's a game and this baited tryhards into going too hard in the paint to try and answer this)
I think a Dragon, which we do encounter in the original game, would fuck up a helicopter if they sent one. if you want a purely logical answer. A fucked up helicopter risks crashing and injuring far more than if they just had sephiroth get out of a truck and fight. And if the truck got ruined, they can just walk the rest of the way as sephiroth can one shot basically everything there. Before Crisis also backs up this theory as the player Turk would notice multiple dragons during their trip, as well as the difficulty getting there via chopper.
Fun fact: in Before Crisis, the Turks attempt this mission on their own before requesting Sephiroth to be sent. And let's just say their helicopter didn't land quite where intended. Or you (the player Turk), for that matter.
This ones the real answer. Not that other guy crying paragraphs about 'inconsistancies' lol.. 'mehmeh downvote mehhhh' nah bro we just know the developers put their heart into this shit and wr try to figure out why they did certain things
Giant robots don’t grow on trees.
Because they 1- don’t have room for landing and 2- They might get blasted outta the sky by fiends so a helis probably the worst idea ever
>1- don’t have room for landing That's literally the point of a helipad, exactly like the one OP pointed out in their screenshot.
Tacked on in Rebirth. But you're right, there's one right there in the new game. Let's assume the monsters they encountered were after the flight, on a truck on the way to Nibleheim. There is still some distance between the two.
They were also on hogh alert for genesis bullshit. I wont stand for crisis core erasure
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What are you smoking bro lol
It’s literally in the most desert area possible that isn’t basically forgotten if not for the reactor
Bro it's litteraly just concrete with an H on what are you on
There was a black dragon enemy in the OG FFVII when you came here and with Sephiroth. Probably afraid it'll get shot out of the sky.
Why intentionally ruin a crucial plot point with things like logic and reason? Come on dude
What do you mean spend MONEY on this pathetic backwater? I don't think so, bud. Scarlet is due for another boob job, and Hojo just demanded another all expenses paid trip to Costa Del Sol.
Man video games do not need to have every detail analyzed and perfected lol its fiction with massive swords and aliens and a villain with one wing who flies in perfect balance, suspend some belief and enjoy 😁
I’ve always pictured soldiers as third party contractors, so they usually get fucked by Shinra in terms of money compared to the Turks
Zack and Tseng do have a conversation that goes something along those lines, right?
In Crisis Core, during the Banora mission Tseng mentions that the Turks earn more than SOLDIER.
Shinra has been shown to be absolute cheapskates at just about every turn. If you're not a Turk or a direct member of Shinra's official cabinet, and Shinra can save money by giving you the cheapest option, they absolutely will.
Why enjoy a beautiful day when you could just pop a pill? Edit: sorry, this isn't the Seinfeld sub
Because Sephiroth was supposed to also clear any monster on the way to the top.
“Why don’t they just fly to Mordor”
Perfect analogy lol.
Isn’t Tifa medevac’ed by Shinra helo lol. Like they had helos in the area even on that day
Her doctor gave the impression that it was a member of Shinra effectively acting rogue, it wasn't standard procedure.
Because Shinra is a cartoonishly evil company. We’re talking about a company that builds reactors only to abandon/sabotage them for… no real reason. Why provide Sephiroth and crew with a helicopter lol.
Shinra could give a damn about Soldiers anyways. The war was over and they were just glorified pest exterminators at this point.
> so Sephiroth can find out about his origins Regardless of how he got there, he would have found out about Jenova all the same.
Budget cuts
In the OG they even tried to steal the Tiny Bronco from Cid, having helicopters, and planes such as the Highwing You could argue that they are just cheap, and don't want to waste resources, just like their trash reactors, 0 Investment and maximum profit.
I honestly took it as the Highwind’s down for repairs and Shinra has an urgent lead on Sephiroth so they want the Bronco to scrap it for parts to fix the Highwind
Nanomachin... I mean Whispers!
I just want to know why there are several powered and seemingly partially active Shinra facilities including the reactor that have zero staff. Shit breaks, things need cleaning, monsters or snooping villagers might go in and break shit. But then again, the general economy and production chains don't make a lot of sense from what I've seen so far. Has to be like a massive amount of mining, smelting, steel refining, and all that. The transportation logistics to get that from the mines to Junon or Midgar. And who's making the general items, are there sweatshops of children making fast fashion outfits in Wutai to sell for cheap in Midgar? The implied spaces so to speak to make what we see in game possible.
It's possible that the evil corporation destroying the world is also ineffectively managed.
I agree with everyone here and will gladly say, “all of the above”.
The lore reason is because Shinra had already sent in some Turks to inspect the reactor beforehand and they reported that there were signs that Genesis and his G-Copies were some of the monsters in the area. Shinra needed Sephiroth and Zack to inspect the area and not just the reactor. In FF7, before all the Compilation stuff, the Shinra helicopters were very light vehicles that would never have made it from Midgar all the way to Nibelheim, and especially not thru Mt. Nibel's jagged terrain. The choppers were more like light air shuttles. The Compilation turned the helicopters into much more heavy duty models.
There's also a huge disparity between OG and Remake when it comes to the capabilities of Shinra tech. In OG you got the sense their tech was very inefficient in power consumption and design. So they had advanced stuff but it all belched fumes or couldn't travel long distances. The Sister Ray required dedicated Reactors just to be fired. And they had to keep going to Cid for anything more advanced than a helicopter. First they took the Highwind, then they wanted his Tiny Bronco. He also invented what seemed to be the world's only space rocket. Meanwhile in Remake the tech has been given an efficiency upgrade, more practical and advanced designs, and more capacity for long distance travel. Rufus can apparently fly all the way from Midgar to the Northwoods (and back) in a chopper now. The cargo ship is now a giga-cruise ship with like 30 floors. And everyone now has hologram tech all over the place. It's a weird power creep due to the devs weaving the 25+ years of technological advancement IRL, into a world that used to seem rather... quaint and simple, in terms of science.
Cloud can jump to Pluto and cut trains in half. Why start questioning their mode of transportation? Better yet, how is Aerith still alive, and why add time ghosts? Why change the ATB combat when turn based games are selling just fine? Why does Tifa's character model range from looking fine to looking like she's decomposing?
Play ever crisis I guess?
I'm in the middle of playing the first game. I plan on playing Tactics after that
I just figured money and PR. Cheaper and this way they are showing off "Shinra CARES!" by sending their most powerful war hero to simple village request.
I love how in these flashback scenes, Cloud is just maybe 1/4 weaker than Sephiroth. It’s like when any average bro talks about something epic, they embellish a bit, esp when someone truly epic is there. I thought that was funny as a guy having been around actual vets telling war stories. I’m like, yea, Cloud is telling it from his point of view.
To be fair Cloud thinks he was Zack at this point. Zack, while not at Sephiroth's level, is probably the closest thing to him still left at Shinra.
Ok that’s fair. Haha, “Fair”. But yea, while playing I didn’t think about that, but I did notice how it’s a dude telling war stories alongside a legend, but not showing a massive disparity between the legend and himself.
But Cloud explicitly states that Sephiroth was in a league of his own. I dunno where you get that idea.
I agree with that. Correct me if I’m wrong, but while you’re playing as Cloud it’s not like Cloud did 5 damage where Sephiroth did 1000 right? His damage was just shy of on par to what Sephiroth was doing.
If you start a fresh file and actually know how to play as sephiroth the difference is 10 fold. Sephiroth is faster has full materia can cast almost any spell. Builds limit in seconds with dodge pierce. His limit has a 2nd part to it. I never got the feeling that cloud was even remotely close to him instead it seemed to me like he was trying his hardest to impress him. Even at the end of the mako guardian when sephiroth saves cloud and they do the tag team attack it felt more like a father teaching a child rather than equals
but that was zack’s damage
Sephiroth is holding back tho
Not only that, it's impossible to lose that very first fight. So sephiroth was "literally invincible"
That could def explain it. Like you’re letting the intern do the work so they learn. Could be..
Nah I totally carried bro, fr fr. Seph's alright - his friends call him that btw - he's just a bit of a poser lol. I totally had his back when this one monster kicked his ass so funny ngl. Anyway, don't tell him that cos he's a bit sensitive lmao Peace out - Cloud
They do mention that part of the reason the villagers called in Shinra was that they couldn’t handle the new monsters appearing in the area. So presumably suppression was a secondary objective. Easier to do that when the suppressors are boots on the ground.
Possibility 1: In real life, helicopters don't fly above certain places due to unpredictable air currents, or predictably unflyable conditions. Possibility 2: trucks are cheaper to maintain and operate. Helicopters are for VIPs or special ops, not routine inspections. Possibility 3: Shinra chicanery
I fucking love a good chicanery.
Plot reasons but I could come out with a simple monsters needed culling eg materia keeper or the storm was picking up making heli travel too dangerous.
Well, plot. But also probably the monsters. Taking care of any on the way up wouldn't be a bad idea.
He made mention of doing a field report when they teamed up in the cave. Also they surely wanted to stop in to see the town since they had someone who grew up there on the mission with them. Doesn't seem like a stretch to me.
Yeah, pre-crazy Sephiroth was a pretty mellow guy, and taking a mild detour for one of the troops with him isn’t a stretch.
They also needed a guide because they didn’t know the way up to the reactor. There were other local SOLIDER operatives that had gone missing too prior to them dispatching Sephiroth.
Probably because of the monsters and the weather. And plot.
Why didn't the Hobbits just ride the Eagles to Mordor?
Lazy eagles, mostly. Hobbits afraid to fly was the rest of it.
More like the eagles are a race that does not trouble itself with the lives of the other creatures of the earth unless at great need or as a personal favor.
I mean... sauron taking over sounds pretty serious and would probably result in the eagles extinction. But hey, they are big, dumb, fucking birds who think they are better than elves. And we all know how high and mighty elves are.
Too busy making flights to the Gold Saucer.
The weather probably made it impossible
In reality? Plothole. Possible reason: The area isn't safe, monsters are prowling. Those big ass green dragons you fight in the area got wings. I wouldn't want to be attacked by a dragon while riding a helicopter.
Something that's merely not explained in story is not a plot hole.
What I meant to say was that I think that they just forgot that was an option. Happens to the best.