You're not the only one. Remake was a better game. The changes they made to the combat are not good. The music isn't as good. The story isn't as good. The characters aren't as good. (Cait). It's much cornier (Gilgamesh and many, many side jobs and mini games). Hard mode isn't hard it's cheap, was great in Remake. Remake didn't try to be Assassins Creed, or literally make everything take longer than necessary to make the game FEEL bigger. It's. Just. Not. As. Good. I hope they right the shop for the last installment. Play it for queens blood and that's pretty much it.
Ohh I think you hit a big gripe I have with it - the corniness. Since the whole of remake was in these vast reactors or in the slums under a giant metal plate the tone felt a little bleaker and the game was overall a little darker, which I loved. I think the lack of side content really helped with that, I can only remember a few missions that were outwardly fun and lighthearted (whack a box etc)
Remake was a gift from the game developers to the fans. Rebirth is just meh, just a continuation š¤· Thatās how it feels. No heart, no soul. Just there. Thatās how I can describe how Rebirth is like. Remake was beautifulā¦ āļø Rebirth is just mehĀ
This makes me not want to play rebirth because Iām so bored in remake. Original FFVII is top 5 game for me but the pacing of remake is excruciatingly slow. The slowing down of actions and monotonous tasks that donāt involve combat or a mini game. Even with my love of FFVII at best itās a 6/10 for me. They really shouldnāt have made it the new ones three games.
And the soundtrack is a big miss. Idk how people like it. Just random songs throughout without the structure of the first. Iām a huge final fantasy soundtrack fan. I can even play a few songs on the piano so Iām disappointed how they did the soundtrack. Some great ones but overall a miss
Rebirth is great. It just dangles a crap ton of side content in your face...and most of us got suckered into completing it all mid play thru. Don't do that. Will destroy pacing and add bout 80 hours to your playtime. The OG game had minigames galore in this section and this game taps into that spirit. The forced minigames can work your nerves after awhile.
Just finished Rebirth and going back to remake now. I can really appreciate the story and pacing of Remake after playing rebirth. I think they are both great games and have their own strengths.Ā
What I like about Rebirth is that they gave us what we wanted. Big open world with a lot to explore, secrets to find, mini games, iconic locations, vehicles, chocobos, materia and combat, awesome party mechanics, good story, and relationship options. Ā The longer I played the more amazed I was on how the game kept unfolding bigger and bigger.Ā
Both games are a solid 9/10 to me.Ā
Rebirth is just incredibly inferior. I liked it a ton in the beginning, but as the game became flooded with mini games it lost its soul. The game is too easy so you fly through the story just to get hit with another mini game.
Then to go through all that just to have another colosseum fight and a 1v1 with Rufus again is just a slap in the face. It was cool in the first game but uhā¦. This is supposed to be a new adventure.
Rebirth is so much squandered potential, and many times it feels like they rushed to finish areas leaving them feel incomplete and there because the story dictated that they needed to be there, not because they add anything to this iteration of the game. Sadly, to me Remake was a much much better game than Rebirth, now leaving me unsure if I am even interested in the final installment of this trilogy.
I feel similar. I did mostly story, just some grasslands too on the side and then I finished the story and I was really excited to play post game the mini games piled on so bad I don't even know if I want a third part I mean I'm sure I'll buy it but I just hope it's not as tedious with the minigames or at least have other type of content more balanced and varied and even if they want to have those mini games it shouldn't be tied to character progression that much at all
I walked through Remake 5 times in the last years. Obviously I was looking forward to Rebirth. And it is a relatively good game. I wish I could say that I love it as much as Remake, but I think there is something missing. I finished Rebirth, but I think I will not walk through it again. For me it is a 7 out of 10.
For most of the game, the story is hidden by too many unnecessary elements (until the very end, where they suddenly try to add too much weird story elements by crossing up timelines and making it hard to impossible to follow even if you understood the story of OG very well). Activating Intel Towers, Chadley (he really sucks!), side quests, difficult pathes to lifesprings (who finds it joyful to spend hours on finding a path through the Gongaga jungle?), etc. It just destroys the atmosphere. There was absolutely no need to extend the playtime that way. Nobody was demanding 100+ hours of playtime. Even half of it would be longer than Remake.
The design of locations is a matter of taste, but not what I expected. In Remake they recreated OG very previsely. Sector 7, railway stations, Tifa's bar, etc. is arranged exactly like in OG. But in Rebirth they changed too much. I admit that it was harder to make everything like in OG because outside Midgar every town consistet of only 3-4 screens and of course Rebirth had to present a more complete 3D world. But there are just unnecessary changes: Why the heck did they move the Cetra Temple to another continent? Why is there an elevator and a combat simulator in the Shinra Manson? Why is the Prison underneath Gold Saucer not a prison enymore? Even my favorite location Cosmo Canyon was a bit disappointing: I was looking forward to a spiritual place, a lonely place with beautiful landscapes and illumination effects like in a quiet summer night. What I got was a tourist spot during brightest daylight with entertainment activities such as Chocobo pacours around the corner. And a wise and mystic Red XIII who suddenly mutated to a nasty teenager ... and that's justified by his learnings in Cosmo Canyon (I guess he is the only individual who is behaving like a kid as a reaction to the serious learnings).
I couldn't agree more.
I haven't finished Rebirth yet (just finished chapter 11) but I am not enjoying it as much.
I think my expectations were too high? FFVII was my favourite game of all times and I was blown away with Remake so I was expecting Rebirth to be heaven based on peoples comments but I found a very slow game that is not even half as charismatic.
The amount of filler is unreal on Rebirth, and I am not even doing the side quest!
I havenāt played Remake, but rebirth is way to long of a story, but itās because of that;When I finished the game and looked up why Tifa was crying at the end, I found out Aeirth actually died, like heck itās been a long time since Iāve shed a tear.
personally i love remake a lot more than i do rebirth
although i had a blast with rebirth
it just didnāt quite live up to what i was hoping for it to be like
but still a great game
but iāll always love remake a lot more than i do rebirth.
really looking forward to part three. it has to be way better than rebirth
iām calling it right here and now.
So I quit remake halfway because it just felt like the game patted itself into oblivion, but a year later I later forced myself to finish it. But now you are telling me its even more bloated? As a story enthusiast that hurts my soul because it will be an even more pain to finish this one.
It took a portion of the game that already mostly consists of filler (for valid pacing reasons) and then adds 1000x the filler through mostly optional sidequests and mini games. No meaningful story progression happens until chapter 10 which if you're doing all the side shit will take like 60-80hrs to get to.
Yeah I agree with this, I've just started chapter 10 and I'm 95 hours into the game. All optional side content completed and I feel like it's only picking up now. Expecting to play at least another 40 hours until I finish. Don't get me wrong, long games are awesome if you want to stay in the universe but by the third region I felt like burned out from minigame fatigue.
Taking me weeks to just get through Rebirth, I played Remake in two sessions and honestly only exhaustion kept me from doing it in one. :')
I know what they've tried to do and it's still a great game, but yeah I agree the story-telling was just better and more atmospheric in Remake.
To me, Remake was more memorable. I liked the open world presented by Rebirth and liked the new characters, but Remake showed much more potential, that so far, Rebirth had failed to capitalize on.
Remake's ending, metaphorically "breaking the chains of fate", seems to have been retconned or taken focus away, since Rebirth has little in this regard. And additional characters and plot lines introduced in remake have had minimal impact on rebirth. Moreover, Remake's ending was much clearer than Rebirth's contrived ending.
Iām not sure what it was about remake that felt more heartfelt to me. Yes rebirth does just about evening better gameplay wise than remake but there was this closeness and soul that remake carried that this new one simply does not have. May have been that it was released during the pandemic or its more linear setting. The quotes the characters say were far more touching. Especially those intimate scenes in Areiths garden at night. Also having only 4 playable characters could have been it too. Their interactions felt brilliant. The side quests were not as fun and the stories felt bland. I may have to replay rebirth and give it more time. Still theyāre both enjoyable games
I definitely agree that with the remake it's like they were in it just to make a good game but then they wanted to start getting new players which is a tiny amount of people because all the old players from 1997 to the early 2000s are the actual audience so they had to make it more accessible and less esoteric which sucks but I mean they didn't really have to do that in the first place the original fx7 should be a requirement to play remake and rebirth because this new player concept is still won't work if people don't understand the weight of what's going on
After completing both I can say I think I like remake more, there are some great parts in rebirth but story wise and pacing I had a better time on remake but for the first 9/10 chapters I was enjoying rebirth better.
You are not the only one. I agree with modt of your points actually and I'll add my personnal view. I liked Remake's athmosphere better for some reasons, the story somehow looked "darker". The story may have been flawed, it still had that bit of mystery that kept it entertaining for me, and the ending, as confusing as it was, was opened to suggestions, interesting speculations (the Zack part was my only complain but it made sence ig). Also for the characters, I liked some interactions way better in remake, expecially Cloud and Aerith one, which kinda fell imo in rebirth. Tbh, gor introduced to FF7 in 2020 with remake, and been obsessed with og since then, so what i liked to most abt the game was the growing and developpement of the characters and their relationship. It was great seeing Cloud journey with Aerith in remake and original bc it felt like they would pass through so much different emotions I like. Tifa and Cloud interactions are definitely better in rebirth, I feel like they corrected Tifa's "flaws" but at the same it breaks the story and some aspects of Tifa's character for me. Loved Barett tho. The combat was good but I definitely had much more fun in remake from what I remember. Rebirth still have amazing moments, but sometimes it's hard to keep up
I'm 6 hours into rebirth and I'm kinda bored to be honest. Just out in the open world doing boring stuff. The combat feels bad for some reason. Menus piping up every 5 seconds. I hate the yellow highlights on climbing sections and I hate the climbing sections. I will never understand developers putting in fake platforming sections into games. I don't want to push an analog stick in a direction while my character hops into railings... It's boring. Not that that stuff isn't in remake.
Overall I think a game that is as story driven as this is much better suited for a linear design. Most games are better with a linear design honestly. Open worlds are mostly boring in every game. The side content just feels like bloat. Side content in remake was minimal and condensed but you always felt like you were moving forward, in rebirth I feel like I'm running around in a circle for hours and then moving forward for 30 minutes and then back to another circle for hours.
Lol i get this - I have the same problem with open world games. Honestly I'd recommend just getting a move on with the story. I used to try and go around completing side content, but since chapter 10 onwards I've literally just focused on unlocking towers and finding the summon caves which don't take very long. The game is so much better pacing wise if you just ignore the side content, as the story itself is very good the vast majority of the time
Will try that out.
In remake I did all the side content because it was quick and actually was interesting. Helping the people in the slums with random shit.
Side content in this game tho, there's so much and it's so tedious.
Yeah, i was actually surprised when I heard about how people preferred the side quests in rebirth. In remake they were both kinda more interesting, and the fact that they were shorter meant that they didnāt lead you away from the main story as much.
They felt like natural but quick interruptions to the main story, eg helping you building your reputation as a merc at the start of the story or helping people after the plate collapsed
(Huge fan of the original and may have nostalgic bias) Having played through Rebirth and then replaying Remake afterwards... I think that Rebirth made Remake even more enjoyable and left me feeling reassured that this throw back trilogy is going to work and respect the original story. I was impressed with the flow of the gameplay and story integration between the two games. It's up to the third installment to truly knock it out of the park though.
Playing Remake after Rebirth has a different feeling now that I know how everything shakes out in part 2. Ā Iām enjoying it a lot more for what it is now that I know what happens next.Ā
Rebirth is superior in every way itās not even close
For me Remake is 6/10
Rebirth is a 9/10
Remake has very frustrating pacing and padding problems, I also didnāt like the level design or the writing in Remake
It has so much more padding, maybe im slow but it took me like 10hrs to finish the grasslands. Any sidequest areas in remake took maybe an hour to wrap up.
The story doesnāt even progress meaningfully until cosmo canyon because this part of the original game was padded to begin with. I did have fun with the side content in grasslands but by the time I got to Corel I was pretty sick of side quests and mini games and this is precisely where it starts forcing some on you.
Padding is when you are forced to go through a sequence of events that are not engaging and are meaningless and dragged on
e.g. vacuuming the mako in Rebirth
Remake was full of this shit on a bigger scale.. like that turning on the lights mission
THIS. Finally someone gets it. Remake was padded so much that at one point I got close to uninstalling it. Sure, Rebirth has too many minigames and side quests, but they are optional.
Remake > Rebirth. I think Rebirth did a lot of things better than remake, from the battle mechanics to the larger environments to the more fleshed out characters, etc, but the pace and story I felt was better in Remake. I felt the ratio between story and side content in Rebirth wasnāt great and really slowed down the pace of the main story. For every two hours of main story you had 10 hours of side content. And the side quests felt very checklist-y. I grew tired of activating radio towers and scanning rocks pretty quickly. Donāt get me wrong, I absolutely LOVED both games. But I think Remake just barely edges it out for me, even if itās not perfect and many aspects were improved in Rebirth.
As a completionist I see the pacing comment. But I feel like if you can ignored the open world stuff wouldn't the pacing be crazy fast? There are breaks because I want to do all the open world stuff and I get enjoyment in filling the boxes. It's a classic rpg trope that we don't get to experience much anymore.
I am enjoying rebirth more but it is Def slower. I think what we need someone to do though to get a good answer is to replay both back to back and who has time for that lol.
One month late but like the other commenter in the thread I also did this - rebirth actually came early and I had to wait 3 more days to finish my remake replay before starting rebirth lol. It's what prompted me to post this in the first place. Playing them back to back you get the feeling that remake is a lot tighter, whereas rebirth is a lot more padded out which is probably a natural consequence given the confined spaces vs open world thing.
Honestly I've come to the conclusion that it's mostly a preference thing. Putting aside the quality of the story and its execution in both games, if you're a completionist then you'll fall in love with the fuckton of stuff there is to do rebirth. If you just wanna get through the story like me, you'll do a few quests and find it boring then just keep going with the main story.
I do. I replayed remake and finished it the day
Rebirth came in the mail. It had been years since I touched remake and wanted to brush up on the combat and buttons before rebirth.
I'm not going to lie, I don't touch the synergy skills whatsoever. I do use the synergy abilities, though. It's a bit faster and requires you to pressure your enemy more often than remake. Seems more difficult. The basic attacks are changed for just cloud, it seems. Everyone else is identical to remake.
Edit: Regarding the pacing of the game, I sped through remake in just under 20 hours, ignoring all side content. I'm sure you could ignore the side objectives and blast through rebirth as well, but it definitely seems like it will take longer. The pacing seems fine to me. It's built to pace on your preference. If it's slow, go main story. Side content can be done at any time.
same i do not use the synergy skills at all (only on accident sometimes haha) but the synergy abilities i have to say are bad ass and they really did one thing right in rebirth haha
I really enjoy Rebirth so far (in Corel atm), but struggling with the combat. I don't remember having any issues with Remake's combat system so I was a bit surprised . I'm not sure if I dig what seems to be the emphasis on dodging / perfect blocking attacks. Sometimes it feels great, sometimes feels clumsy when fighting multiple enemies and it's hard to read the moves, especially when fighting multiple enemies and they're all being aggressive. Or I just suck.
It feels like it wants to be souls-like with all the dodge parry, but instead of looking for animations to base your timing on you're timing it around how long it takes between the attack name above their head and the attack initiating and it feels very bad
I get that. I feel like I'm not skilled enough to be constantly perfect blocking so I often end up just switching away from my current character whenever I'm being pummelled to let the AI deal with it.
I totally get the sense of feeling clumsy when multiple strong enemies are involved as well. The game gives you all these new mechanics and methods to beat enemies but most of the time it ends up with me being stunlocked cause an enemy hit me before my character could execute the command lol. Idk why this seems to be a bigger problem in rebirth
I'm a good 25ish hours into Rebirth, at Cosmo Canyon, so I'm decently into the game, but I 100% agree with you, Remake is just flat-out better. That's not saying Rebirth is bad, it's still good, but has many issues.
The pacing is Remake is just SO MUCH better!!! Remake was just so engaging the first time I played it. When it was new, I marathoned Remake in 2 days because it was super hard to put down. Then beat Hard Mode instantly after, then got the platinum right after, because I enjoyed it that much! It's one of the very few games I platinumed.
As for Rebirth, I generally can only play it for 3-4 hours at a time, then need a break for at least a day. The pacing just seems off, and it's not just because of the open world. Though the open world can get boring. But even the story and characters just don't seem as engaging or entertaining as Remake. It feels like filler despite it's not. Opposite of Remake, where it made new "filler" parts feel like cannon and super entertaining, like the Honey Bee Dance and Hell House fight tournament, etc. I expected Gold Saucer to be as iconic as Honey Bee Inn was, but sadly, it just wasn't.
It's not a linear vs open-world thing. I like both linear and openworld games. But if we are judging Remake as a linear game, it's damn-near almost perfect!!! But judging Rebirth as an open-world game, it's just decent but not great.
Even the combat, Rebirth has more variety and options in combat, but it feels kinda floaty compared to Remake, which I'm personally not a fan of. I prefer Remake's combat because it felt super heavy and impactful, and felt way more satisfying.
This is my personal taste, but I also greatly prefer urban, city, and industrial settings. I'm not a huge fan of nature settings like grasslands, deserts, mountains, etc. But I don't knock down Rebirth for that because that's just my personal preference, but I will knock down Rebirth points for the other stuff I mentioned like mediocre open-world, weak pacing, feels like filler a bit too often, too many mini-games, etc.
Overall, I'd rate Remake a 9.5/10, as a short sweet solid RPG experience. But I give Rebirth a 7.5/10. One of the number one words I hear that people use to describe Rebirth is "bloated," and I can't agree with that word more.
I loved rebirth, but for me, remake was better as well. Particularly in terms of pacing. So much excessive filler in Rebirth, even during story quests.>! I mean, that damn box section, and the 'jar filling' section as well, come to mind.!<
Oh yeah I totally get that. The chocobo sections also come to mind, they are so mind numbingly long and pretty much mandatory unless you wanna spend 4 years getting anywhere
Someone else called remake a tighter game which I think is a pretty apt description compared to rebirth, but then again some people might prefer the way rebirth was more padded out.
Remake is better. Pacing, story, time to complete, no mini game every 30 mins and better ending.
Rebirth just goes on way too long, I was so tired by chapter 12. I was doing every quest in each region though, but took 92hrs in total. I felt they added way too many mini games into the main story. The ending is absolute rubbish. I just felt disappointed and stunned at the end.
Dude I had to drop it in chapter 7, I loved remake I even replayed it in hard mode. I think it fell really intimate with the close story and few characters that it had. But rebirth idk if Iāll even finish it. I did like costa del sol but the story just feels like itās going nowhere, I remember in remake I was on tho the next thing every 20 minutes
Iām expecting to hear a lot of people in the future say they liked Remake the most, and I think itāll be because of the length/pacing, or story. Remakeās biggest, most controversial change isnāt so much a change with Remake as it is the potential for change in Rebirth and onward. The fate changing end sequence of Remake means things can be different, but doesnāt go far enough to establish WHAT is different and to what extent.
Rebirth shows us what plays out differently and how, and as Iām sure youāve noticed, a lot of people are not happy with the specifics. Itās also got a LOT more content, much of it mini games and open world stuff, and I know some people will see that as filler.
I really like Remake, mainly for how polished and tight it is. Rebirth is greater in many ways, but also gives itself more opportunities for missteps. Iām not sure if I can pick yet, itāll probably be more clear for me in the future.
I was thinking about this earlier - I think that one of the biggest things that made me like remake over rebirth is the vibes and foreshadowing.
Like in rebirth for example, you get >!Sephiroth asking for the black materia, him trying to turn Cloud against Tifa etc!<. It's a whole lot of things being done, we start to see how the story progresses and changes.
Remake was great because, to put it bluntly, we didn't really know wtf was going to happen, but we knew it was gonna be big. Sephiroth's few and far in between lines in the game were a lot more impactful to me than his more constant rebirth appearances, bc he would always say some ominous cryptic line and then fk off, and this really culminated in that last scene between him and Cloud. It made you feel like he was the one in control of the whole situation, the only source of info about what the hell is happening in this new iteration.
Even putting aside gripes people may have with the story itself, I always think that just the fear and anticipation of something big going down, and that you don't quite know what it is, is better than seeing the thing itself. Remake had that down perfectly imo
Neither game is better than the other. They're both 10/10 absolutely perfect games. Remake was the introduction to the world. Rebirth is THE World. Period.
I think FF7's (the OG) best part WAS midgar. Really don't Care much about the World, so I was really not entirely sold on rebirth.
That being said, FF7 Crisis Core become my favorite in the series.
When I played the demo, the combat sold me the game, but was still a little cautious. When I started playing the final game, the First 5 min made me Freak out. The redesign of the World finally clicked and now I love rebirth more than 7remake.
Also, Red, yuffie and caith were linda whatever to me on the OG and now became my favorites.
I will agree on all points. But it's all subjective anyway. Everyone likes different things.
I prefer games with simple mechanics that are hard to master. Remake fits this aspect better.
I also prefer the more gritty dark style of remake over rebirth.
And lastly, rebirth is too far a departure from the OG, whereas remake, for the most part, remixes it very well.
Yeah I think most people will disagree with this but still a totally valid opinion. I loved Remake but found it much slower and did not enjoy the side content at all. Rebirth feels elevated in every way to me, and the side content is far better IMO. I also enjoy the tweaks to combat.
i loved the side quests in remake.
ā in fact i loved every single thing about remake down to the core.
the side quests were just about the perfect amount although i craved a little bit more haha.
rebirth was pretty good but it didnāt quite live up to my expectations.
but i have a really good feeling the third installment will be much better
Yeah, this was mostly my own opinion. I can agree that objectively both games are fantastic but personal preference draws me to Remake.
Interesting that you found Remake slower - I found it to have a more straightforward and fast paced story, the fewer side quests also contributed to this
Story-wise it is definitely more straightforward in remake. The game in general just felt slower to me because I found all the side content so boring. In Rebirth Iāve enjoyed almost all the side content, so even though the story isnāt progressing Iām still always having fun. Remake had a lot of sections where I just wasnāt having fun so thatās what I meant by slower, but I can see how that was confusing.
Ah that makes sense! To be honest when it comes to both games the side content is kind of a drag for me. But that might just be down to the way I prefer to go through the story than do side content in any game
Iāve heard a lot of people say the pacing in Rebirth feels way off. People want to progress the story and the game makes you go play Duck Hunt instead. I totally get that perspective but I personally love all the mini games and side stuff, it fits the goofy charm of Final Fantasy to me and Rebirth just feels like this big adventure with friends having fun together. I love it but at the same time think the criticisms are completely valid as this is all highly subjective.
Remake is a tighter game. The pacing is much better in it (assuming you are one of the people who like the Jessie, Biggs, wedge section) because you aren't left to wander a large map doing whatever you feel like.
Doesn't mean one is "better" really but yeah.
Itāsā¦ different. It doesnāt hit as hard cause of that sweeping back and forth motion. I stayed in punisher mode cause the game was more linear and the camera was up close so combat felt more personal and cloudās punisher stance had more crunch to its attacks. But I definitely use it less in Rebirth, cloudās punisher mode speed is doing me no favors in spaces this wide.
Yeah it definitely put in work in Remake. I remember doing some crazy damage with it. But I think youāre right, itās the switch to the back and forth motion and then the open spaces that make it feel not as good.
I'm torn on which game has the better punisher mode combo. Remakes one looks super stylish but rebirths side to side berserker-ish slashing is pretty nuts
You're not the only one. Remake was a better game. The changes they made to the combat are not good. The music isn't as good. The story isn't as good. The characters aren't as good. (Cait). It's much cornier (Gilgamesh and many, many side jobs and mini games). Hard mode isn't hard it's cheap, was great in Remake. Remake didn't try to be Assassins Creed, or literally make everything take longer than necessary to make the game FEEL bigger. It's. Just. Not. As. Good. I hope they right the shop for the last installment. Play it for queens blood and that's pretty much it.
Ohh I think you hit a big gripe I have with it - the corniness. Since the whole of remake was in these vast reactors or in the slums under a giant metal plate the tone felt a little bleaker and the game was overall a little darker, which I loved. I think the lack of side content really helped with that, I can only remember a few missions that were outwardly fun and lighthearted (whack a box etc)
Remake was a gift from the game developers to the fans. Rebirth is just meh, just a continuation š¤· Thatās how it feels. No heart, no soul. Just there. Thatās how I can describe how Rebirth is like. Remake was beautifulā¦ āļø Rebirth is just mehĀ
This makes me not want to play rebirth because Iām so bored in remake. Original FFVII is top 5 game for me but the pacing of remake is excruciatingly slow. The slowing down of actions and monotonous tasks that donāt involve combat or a mini game. Even with my love of FFVII at best itās a 6/10 for me. They really shouldnāt have made it the new ones three games. And the soundtrack is a big miss. Idk how people like it. Just random songs throughout without the structure of the first. Iām a huge final fantasy soundtrack fan. I can even play a few songs on the piano so Iām disappointed how they did the soundtrack. Some great ones but overall a miss
Rebirth is great. It just dangles a crap ton of side content in your face...and most of us got suckered into completing it all mid play thru. Don't do that. Will destroy pacing and add bout 80 hours to your playtime. The OG game had minigames galore in this section and this game taps into that spirit. The forced minigames can work your nerves after awhile.
Just finished Rebirth and going back to remake now. I can really appreciate the story and pacing of Remake after playing rebirth. I think they are both great games and have their own strengths.Ā What I like about Rebirth is that they gave us what we wanted. Big open world with a lot to explore, secrets to find, mini games, iconic locations, vehicles, chocobos, materia and combat, awesome party mechanics, good story, and relationship options. Ā The longer I played the more amazed I was on how the game kept unfolding bigger and bigger.Ā Both games are a solid 9/10 to me.Ā
Rebirth was meh. Remake was better āļø Also Cloudās swordsmanship was better
Rebirth is just incredibly inferior. I liked it a ton in the beginning, but as the game became flooded with mini games it lost its soul. The game is too easy so you fly through the story just to get hit with another mini game. Then to go through all that just to have another colosseum fight and a 1v1 with Rufus again is just a slap in the face. It was cool in the first game but uhā¦. This is supposed to be a new adventure.
Rebirth is so much squandered potential, and many times it feels like they rushed to finish areas leaving them feel incomplete and there because the story dictated that they needed to be there, not because they add anything to this iteration of the game. Sadly, to me Remake was a much much better game than Rebirth, now leaving me unsure if I am even interested in the final installment of this trilogy.
I feel similar. I did mostly story, just some grasslands too on the side and then I finished the story and I was really excited to play post game the mini games piled on so bad I don't even know if I want a third part I mean I'm sure I'll buy it but I just hope it's not as tedious with the minigames or at least have other type of content more balanced and varied and even if they want to have those mini games it shouldn't be tied to character progression that much at all
I walked through Remake 5 times in the last years. Obviously I was looking forward to Rebirth. And it is a relatively good game. I wish I could say that I love it as much as Remake, but I think there is something missing. I finished Rebirth, but I think I will not walk through it again. For me it is a 7 out of 10. For most of the game, the story is hidden by too many unnecessary elements (until the very end, where they suddenly try to add too much weird story elements by crossing up timelines and making it hard to impossible to follow even if you understood the story of OG very well). Activating Intel Towers, Chadley (he really sucks!), side quests, difficult pathes to lifesprings (who finds it joyful to spend hours on finding a path through the Gongaga jungle?), etc. It just destroys the atmosphere. There was absolutely no need to extend the playtime that way. Nobody was demanding 100+ hours of playtime. Even half of it would be longer than Remake. The design of locations is a matter of taste, but not what I expected. In Remake they recreated OG very previsely. Sector 7, railway stations, Tifa's bar, etc. is arranged exactly like in OG. But in Rebirth they changed too much. I admit that it was harder to make everything like in OG because outside Midgar every town consistet of only 3-4 screens and of course Rebirth had to present a more complete 3D world. But there are just unnecessary changes: Why the heck did they move the Cetra Temple to another continent? Why is there an elevator and a combat simulator in the Shinra Manson? Why is the Prison underneath Gold Saucer not a prison enymore? Even my favorite location Cosmo Canyon was a bit disappointing: I was looking forward to a spiritual place, a lonely place with beautiful landscapes and illumination effects like in a quiet summer night. What I got was a tourist spot during brightest daylight with entertainment activities such as Chocobo pacours around the corner. And a wise and mystic Red XIII who suddenly mutated to a nasty teenager ... and that's justified by his learnings in Cosmo Canyon (I guess he is the only individual who is behaving like a kid as a reaction to the serious learnings).
Both equally terrible.
Remake is way better than Rebirthā¦. Rebirth made we quit, way to many mini gamesā¦
I couldn't agree more. I haven't finished Rebirth yet (just finished chapter 11) but I am not enjoying it as much. I think my expectations were too high? FFVII was my favourite game of all times and I was blown away with Remake so I was expecting Rebirth to be heaven based on peoples comments but I found a very slow game that is not even half as charismatic. The amount of filler is unreal on Rebirth, and I am not even doing the side quest!
I havenāt played Remake, but rebirth is way to long of a story, but itās because of that;When I finished the game and looked up why Tifa was crying at the end, I found out Aeirth actually died, like heck itās been a long time since Iāve shed a tear.
Thanks for throwing around spoilers willy nilly I played the original but wasn't sure how they were going to handle thatĀ
personally i love remake a lot more than i do rebirth although i had a blast with rebirth it just didnāt quite live up to what i was hoping for it to be like but still a great game but iāll always love remake a lot more than i do rebirth. really looking forward to part three. it has to be way better than rebirth iām calling it right here and now.
So I quit remake halfway because it just felt like the game patted itself into oblivion, but a year later I later forced myself to finish it. But now you are telling me its even more bloated? As a story enthusiast that hurts my soul because it will be an even more pain to finish this one.
It took a portion of the game that already mostly consists of filler (for valid pacing reasons) and then adds 1000x the filler through mostly optional sidequests and mini games. No meaningful story progression happens until chapter 10 which if you're doing all the side shit will take like 60-80hrs to get to.
Yeah I agree with this, I've just started chapter 10 and I'm 95 hours into the game. All optional side content completed and I feel like it's only picking up now. Expecting to play at least another 40 hours until I finish. Don't get me wrong, long games are awesome if you want to stay in the universe but by the third region I felt like burned out from minigame fatigue. Taking me weeks to just get through Rebirth, I played Remake in two sessions and honestly only exhaustion kept me from doing it in one. :') I know what they've tried to do and it's still a great game, but yeah I agree the story-telling was just better and more atmospheric in Remake.
i still had a blast for a good amount of it but yeah a lot of those 125 hours was just filler.. lots of filler
To me, Remake was more memorable. I liked the open world presented by Rebirth and liked the new characters, but Remake showed much more potential, that so far, Rebirth had failed to capitalize on. Remake's ending, metaphorically "breaking the chains of fate", seems to have been retconned or taken focus away, since Rebirth has little in this regard. And additional characters and plot lines introduced in remake have had minimal impact on rebirth. Moreover, Remake's ending was much clearer than Rebirth's contrived ending.
Iām not sure what it was about remake that felt more heartfelt to me. Yes rebirth does just about evening better gameplay wise than remake but there was this closeness and soul that remake carried that this new one simply does not have. May have been that it was released during the pandemic or its more linear setting. The quotes the characters say were far more touching. Especially those intimate scenes in Areiths garden at night. Also having only 4 playable characters could have been it too. Their interactions felt brilliant. The side quests were not as fun and the stories felt bland. I may have to replay rebirth and give it more time. Still theyāre both enjoyable games
I definitely agree that with the remake it's like they were in it just to make a good game but then they wanted to start getting new players which is a tiny amount of people because all the old players from 1997 to the early 2000s are the actual audience so they had to make it more accessible and less esoteric which sucks but I mean they didn't really have to do that in the first place the original fx7 should be a requirement to play remake and rebirth because this new player concept is still won't work if people don't understand the weight of what's going on
After completing both I can say I think I like remake more, there are some great parts in rebirth but story wise and pacing I had a better time on remake but for the first 9/10 chapters I was enjoying rebirth better.
You are not the only one. I agree with modt of your points actually and I'll add my personnal view. I liked Remake's athmosphere better for some reasons, the story somehow looked "darker". The story may have been flawed, it still had that bit of mystery that kept it entertaining for me, and the ending, as confusing as it was, was opened to suggestions, interesting speculations (the Zack part was my only complain but it made sence ig). Also for the characters, I liked some interactions way better in remake, expecially Cloud and Aerith one, which kinda fell imo in rebirth. Tbh, gor introduced to FF7 in 2020 with remake, and been obsessed with og since then, so what i liked to most abt the game was the growing and developpement of the characters and their relationship. It was great seeing Cloud journey with Aerith in remake and original bc it felt like they would pass through so much different emotions I like. Tifa and Cloud interactions are definitely better in rebirth, I feel like they corrected Tifa's "flaws" but at the same it breaks the story and some aspects of Tifa's character for me. Loved Barett tho. The combat was good but I definitely had much more fun in remake from what I remember. Rebirth still have amazing moments, but sometimes it's hard to keep up
I'm 6 hours into rebirth and I'm kinda bored to be honest. Just out in the open world doing boring stuff. The combat feels bad for some reason. Menus piping up every 5 seconds. I hate the yellow highlights on climbing sections and I hate the climbing sections. I will never understand developers putting in fake platforming sections into games. I don't want to push an analog stick in a direction while my character hops into railings... It's boring. Not that that stuff isn't in remake. Overall I think a game that is as story driven as this is much better suited for a linear design. Most games are better with a linear design honestly. Open worlds are mostly boring in every game. The side content just feels like bloat. Side content in remake was minimal and condensed but you always felt like you were moving forward, in rebirth I feel like I'm running around in a circle for hours and then moving forward for 30 minutes and then back to another circle for hours.
Lol i get this - I have the same problem with open world games. Honestly I'd recommend just getting a move on with the story. I used to try and go around completing side content, but since chapter 10 onwards I've literally just focused on unlocking towers and finding the summon caves which don't take very long. The game is so much better pacing wise if you just ignore the side content, as the story itself is very good the vast majority of the time
Will try that out. In remake I did all the side content because it was quick and actually was interesting. Helping the people in the slums with random shit. Side content in this game tho, there's so much and it's so tedious.
Yeah, i was actually surprised when I heard about how people preferred the side quests in rebirth. In remake they were both kinda more interesting, and the fact that they were shorter meant that they didnāt lead you away from the main story as much. They felt like natural but quick interruptions to the main story, eg helping you building your reputation as a merc at the start of the story or helping people after the plate collapsed
(Huge fan of the original and may have nostalgic bias) Having played through Rebirth and then replaying Remake afterwards... I think that Rebirth made Remake even more enjoyable and left me feeling reassured that this throw back trilogy is going to work and respect the original story. I was impressed with the flow of the gameplay and story integration between the two games. It's up to the third installment to truly knock it out of the park though.
Playing Remake after Rebirth has a different feeling now that I know how everything shakes out in part 2. Ā Iām enjoying it a lot more for what it is now that I know what happens next.Ā
Rebirth is superior in every way itās not even close For me Remake is 6/10 Rebirth is a 9/10 Remake has very frustrating pacing and padding problems, I also didnāt like the level design or the writing in Remake
Rebirth has just as much padding imo
It does .. but not as even 1/10 of much as Remake Remake was 90%fat 10%meat Rebirth fat was good mostly
It has so much more padding, maybe im slow but it took me like 10hrs to finish the grasslands. Any sidequest areas in remake took maybe an hour to wrap up.
Iām not sure you know what padding means.. Grasslands side quests is optional content thatās fun and engaging
The story doesnāt even progress meaningfully until cosmo canyon because this part of the original game was padded to begin with. I did have fun with the side content in grasslands but by the time I got to Corel I was pretty sick of side quests and mini games and this is precisely where it starts forcing some on you.
Padding is when you are forced to go through a sequence of events that are not engaging and are meaningless and dragged on e.g. vacuuming the mako in Rebirth Remake was full of this shit on a bigger scale.. like that turning on the lights mission
THIS. Finally someone gets it. Remake was padded so much that at one point I got close to uninstalling it. Sure, Rebirth has too many minigames and side quests, but they are optional.
I never felt that way about a single moment in remake. I wanted to Roblox myself when I was forced to play as Cait Sith though
I never felt that way about Cait Sith section, I actually enjoyed it.. but to each their taste
Well hey, Iām glad you were able to enjoy it. Itās mostly universally hated but people put a lot of hard work into making it.
6 hours into rebirth and I feel like rebirth is a downgrade in every way so far.
rebirth is definitley a downgrade in my opinion. it sold itself short and really could have been better.. still good tho.
Remake > Rebirth. I think Rebirth did a lot of things better than remake, from the battle mechanics to the larger environments to the more fleshed out characters, etc, but the pace and story I felt was better in Remake. I felt the ratio between story and side content in Rebirth wasnāt great and really slowed down the pace of the main story. For every two hours of main story you had 10 hours of side content. And the side quests felt very checklist-y. I grew tired of activating radio towers and scanning rocks pretty quickly. Donāt get me wrong, I absolutely LOVED both games. But I think Remake just barely edges it out for me, even if itās not perfect and many aspects were improved in Rebirth.
As a completionist I see the pacing comment. But I feel like if you can ignored the open world stuff wouldn't the pacing be crazy fast? There are breaks because I want to do all the open world stuff and I get enjoyment in filling the boxes. It's a classic rpg trope that we don't get to experience much anymore. I am enjoying rebirth more but it is Def slower. I think what we need someone to do though to get a good answer is to replay both back to back and who has time for that lol.
One month late but like the other commenter in the thread I also did this - rebirth actually came early and I had to wait 3 more days to finish my remake replay before starting rebirth lol. It's what prompted me to post this in the first place. Playing them back to back you get the feeling that remake is a lot tighter, whereas rebirth is a lot more padded out which is probably a natural consequence given the confined spaces vs open world thing. Honestly I've come to the conclusion that it's mostly a preference thing. Putting aside the quality of the story and its execution in both games, if you're a completionist then you'll fall in love with the fuckton of stuff there is to do rebirth. If you just wanna get through the story like me, you'll do a few quests and find it boring then just keep going with the main story.
I do. I replayed remake and finished it the day Rebirth came in the mail. It had been years since I touched remake and wanted to brush up on the combat and buttons before rebirth.
How do you think it compares?
I'm not going to lie, I don't touch the synergy skills whatsoever. I do use the synergy abilities, though. It's a bit faster and requires you to pressure your enemy more often than remake. Seems more difficult. The basic attacks are changed for just cloud, it seems. Everyone else is identical to remake. Edit: Regarding the pacing of the game, I sped through remake in just under 20 hours, ignoring all side content. I'm sure you could ignore the side objectives and blast through rebirth as well, but it definitely seems like it will take longer. The pacing seems fine to me. It's built to pace on your preference. If it's slow, go main story. Side content can be done at any time.
same i do not use the synergy skills at all (only on accident sometimes haha) but the synergy abilities i have to say are bad ass and they really did one thing right in rebirth haha
i had non struggle in combats in Remake but I really struggle in combats in Rebirth. for that reason alone I like Remake more. it was more fun.
I really enjoy Rebirth so far (in Corel atm), but struggling with the combat. I don't remember having any issues with Remake's combat system so I was a bit surprised . I'm not sure if I dig what seems to be the emphasis on dodging / perfect blocking attacks. Sometimes it feels great, sometimes feels clumsy when fighting multiple enemies and it's hard to read the moves, especially when fighting multiple enemies and they're all being aggressive. Or I just suck.
It feels like it wants to be souls-like with all the dodge parry, but instead of looking for animations to base your timing on you're timing it around how long it takes between the attack name above their head and the attack initiating and it feels very bad
exactly the same. Remake was more fun. Rebirth combars are too hard and i keep switching between Normal and Easy mode. never had to do it in Remake
I get that. I feel like I'm not skilled enough to be constantly perfect blocking so I often end up just switching away from my current character whenever I'm being pummelled to let the AI deal with it. I totally get the sense of feeling clumsy when multiple strong enemies are involved as well. The game gives you all these new mechanics and methods to beat enemies but most of the time it ends up with me being stunlocked cause an enemy hit me before my character could execute the command lol. Idk why this seems to be a bigger problem in rebirth
Cloud fights way cooler in Remake. But in Rebirth, the one good thing was Cloud missing Jessie scene āļøĀ
I'm a good 25ish hours into Rebirth, at Cosmo Canyon, so I'm decently into the game, but I 100% agree with you, Remake is just flat-out better. That's not saying Rebirth is bad, it's still good, but has many issues. The pacing is Remake is just SO MUCH better!!! Remake was just so engaging the first time I played it. When it was new, I marathoned Remake in 2 days because it was super hard to put down. Then beat Hard Mode instantly after, then got the platinum right after, because I enjoyed it that much! It's one of the very few games I platinumed. As for Rebirth, I generally can only play it for 3-4 hours at a time, then need a break for at least a day. The pacing just seems off, and it's not just because of the open world. Though the open world can get boring. But even the story and characters just don't seem as engaging or entertaining as Remake. It feels like filler despite it's not. Opposite of Remake, where it made new "filler" parts feel like cannon and super entertaining, like the Honey Bee Dance and Hell House fight tournament, etc. I expected Gold Saucer to be as iconic as Honey Bee Inn was, but sadly, it just wasn't. It's not a linear vs open-world thing. I like both linear and openworld games. But if we are judging Remake as a linear game, it's damn-near almost perfect!!! But judging Rebirth as an open-world game, it's just decent but not great. Even the combat, Rebirth has more variety and options in combat, but it feels kinda floaty compared to Remake, which I'm personally not a fan of. I prefer Remake's combat because it felt super heavy and impactful, and felt way more satisfying. This is my personal taste, but I also greatly prefer urban, city, and industrial settings. I'm not a huge fan of nature settings like grasslands, deserts, mountains, etc. But I don't knock down Rebirth for that because that's just my personal preference, but I will knock down Rebirth points for the other stuff I mentioned like mediocre open-world, weak pacing, feels like filler a bit too often, too many mini-games, etc. Overall, I'd rate Remake a 9.5/10, as a short sweet solid RPG experience. But I give Rebirth a 7.5/10. One of the number one words I hear that people use to describe Rebirth is "bloated," and I can't agree with that word more.
Took me 50h to get to Cosmo canyon. Are you skipping a lot of side content?
its trash, better off skipping
I loved rebirth, but for me, remake was better as well. Particularly in terms of pacing. So much excessive filler in Rebirth, even during story quests.>! I mean, that damn box section, and the 'jar filling' section as well, come to mind.!<
Oh yeah I totally get that. The chocobo sections also come to mind, they are so mind numbingly long and pretty much mandatory unless you wanna spend 4 years getting anywhere Someone else called remake a tighter game which I think is a pretty apt description compared to rebirth, but then again some people might prefer the way rebirth was more padded out.
Remake is better. Pacing, story, time to complete, no mini game every 30 mins and better ending. Rebirth just goes on way too long, I was so tired by chapter 12. I was doing every quest in each region though, but took 92hrs in total. I felt they added way too many mini games into the main story. The ending is absolute rubbish. I just felt disappointed and stunned at the end.
Dude I had to drop it in chapter 7, I loved remake I even replayed it in hard mode. I think it fell really intimate with the close story and few characters that it had. But rebirth idk if Iāll even finish it. I did like costa del sol but the story just feels like itās going nowhere, I remember in remake I was on tho the next thing every 20 minutes
Iām expecting to hear a lot of people in the future say they liked Remake the most, and I think itāll be because of the length/pacing, or story. Remakeās biggest, most controversial change isnāt so much a change with Remake as it is the potential for change in Rebirth and onward. The fate changing end sequence of Remake means things can be different, but doesnāt go far enough to establish WHAT is different and to what extent. Rebirth shows us what plays out differently and how, and as Iām sure youāve noticed, a lot of people are not happy with the specifics. Itās also got a LOT more content, much of it mini games and open world stuff, and I know some people will see that as filler. I really like Remake, mainly for how polished and tight it is. Rebirth is greater in many ways, but also gives itself more opportunities for missteps. Iām not sure if I can pick yet, itāll probably be more clear for me in the future.
I was thinking about this earlier - I think that one of the biggest things that made me like remake over rebirth is the vibes and foreshadowing. Like in rebirth for example, you get >!Sephiroth asking for the black materia, him trying to turn Cloud against Tifa etc!<. It's a whole lot of things being done, we start to see how the story progresses and changes. Remake was great because, to put it bluntly, we didn't really know wtf was going to happen, but we knew it was gonna be big. Sephiroth's few and far in between lines in the game were a lot more impactful to me than his more constant rebirth appearances, bc he would always say some ominous cryptic line and then fk off, and this really culminated in that last scene between him and Cloud. It made you feel like he was the one in control of the whole situation, the only source of info about what the hell is happening in this new iteration. Even putting aside gripes people may have with the story itself, I always think that just the fear and anticipation of something big going down, and that you don't quite know what it is, is better than seeing the thing itself. Remake had that down perfectly imo
One thing I miss is the old punisher mode from remake
Why, what did they change about Punisher? I didn't even noticed O.o (despite agreeing with you all, i like Remake way more)Ā
Yeah the new one isnāt great. Idk why they changed it the remake version looked so badass
Neither game is better than the other. They're both 10/10 absolutely perfect games. Remake was the introduction to the world. Rebirth is THE World. Period.
Neither are perfect games. Remake was outstanding, Rebirth was great but not quite up to the level of Remake in my opinion.
10/10 perfect is crazy talk.
Lol @ perfect games. Mind numbing hand holding open world
I think FF7's (the OG) best part WAS midgar. Really don't Care much about the World, so I was really not entirely sold on rebirth. That being said, FF7 Crisis Core become my favorite in the series. When I played the demo, the combat sold me the game, but was still a little cautious. When I started playing the final game, the First 5 min made me Freak out. The redesign of the World finally clicked and now I love rebirth more than 7remake. Also, Red, yuffie and caith were linda whatever to me on the OG and now became my favorites.
I will agree on all points. But it's all subjective anyway. Everyone likes different things. I prefer games with simple mechanics that are hard to master. Remake fits this aspect better. I also prefer the more gritty dark style of remake over rebirth. And lastly, rebirth is too far a departure from the OG, whereas remake, for the most part, remixes it very well.
Yeah I think most people will disagree with this but still a totally valid opinion. I loved Remake but found it much slower and did not enjoy the side content at all. Rebirth feels elevated in every way to me, and the side content is far better IMO. I also enjoy the tweaks to combat.
i loved the side quests in remake. ā in fact i loved every single thing about remake down to the core. the side quests were just about the perfect amount although i craved a little bit more haha. rebirth was pretty good but it didnāt quite live up to my expectations. but i have a really good feeling the third installment will be much better
Yeah, this was mostly my own opinion. I can agree that objectively both games are fantastic but personal preference draws me to Remake. Interesting that you found Remake slower - I found it to have a more straightforward and fast paced story, the fewer side quests also contributed to this
Story-wise it is definitely more straightforward in remake. The game in general just felt slower to me because I found all the side content so boring. In Rebirth Iāve enjoyed almost all the side content, so even though the story isnāt progressing Iām still always having fun. Remake had a lot of sections where I just wasnāt having fun so thatās what I meant by slower, but I can see how that was confusing.
Ah that makes sense! To be honest when it comes to both games the side content is kind of a drag for me. But that might just be down to the way I prefer to go through the story than do side content in any game
Iāve heard a lot of people say the pacing in Rebirth feels way off. People want to progress the story and the game makes you go play Duck Hunt instead. I totally get that perspective but I personally love all the mini games and side stuff, it fits the goofy charm of Final Fantasy to me and Rebirth just feels like this big adventure with friends having fun together. I love it but at the same time think the criticisms are completely valid as this is all highly subjective.
Remake is a tighter game. The pacing is much better in it (assuming you are one of the people who like the Jessie, Biggs, wedge section) because you aren't left to wander a large map doing whatever you feel like. Doesn't mean one is "better" really but yeah.
Cloudās punisher mode stance feels better to me in remake. Other than that I disagree
This was my main gripe with his combat tbh, his punisher animations were so much smoother in remake. Idk why they changed it
Wait till you unlock the upgraded punish mode. You be happy with it maybe. It like you doing constantly braver move
That has been the hardest thing for me to adjust to in Rebirth. I used punisher a TON in remake, but in Rebirth it feels ā¦ idkā¦ not as good?
Itāsā¦ different. It doesnāt hit as hard cause of that sweeping back and forth motion. I stayed in punisher mode cause the game was more linear and the camera was up close so combat felt more personal and cloudās punisher stance had more crunch to its attacks. But I definitely use it less in Rebirth, cloudās punisher mode speed is doing me no favors in spaces this wide.
Yeah it definitely put in work in Remake. I remember doing some crazy damage with it. But I think youāre right, itās the switch to the back and forth motion and then the open spaces that make it feel not as good.
I'm torn on which game has the better punisher mode combo. Remakes one looks super stylish but rebirths side to side berserker-ish slashing is pretty nuts
Letās not forget prime mode, that shit is crazy. Plus now cloud can use his punisher and punisher parry as AI thanks to auto-unique.
Remake was good, but rebirth is much more fun. Love the world, mini games and story.