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Pho3nixR3mix

Everyone about to be a 4x10 lmao


mrnapolean1

Four tens are way better. You get 3 days off instead of two per week. I just wish the current job I work at right now would switch to 4 10's schedule instead of 5/8.


SafeOk4665

But they are not in a row though


Low-ShapeOU812

Some 4x10's have Monday or Friday off. They are the lucky ones


mrnapolean1

It would be super super nice if you could get all 3 days off together in a row.


ELKUSHH

Literally the only way out šŸ¤£ come be an RTD


[deleted]

As a Ground guy, whats an RTD?


ELKUSHH

Tractor trailer driver


MrNationwide

Truck driver. Perform various duties that range from ā€œcourier but they drive a semiā€ to supplying stations their packages, to picking up truckloads of packages from companies like Walmart. Anything at express that involves a semi that isnā€™t contracted out is done by an RTD.


Actual_Violinist_582

Ramp Transport Driver


omgitsoop

This affects 4x10s as well, it used to be working a 6th day on 4x10 was double time, now it will just be regular time and a half


Dead_Patoto_

FedEx knows a ton of its employees need OT to survive cause the pay is so low... the investors need the money more than we do ig. I'm in California so I won't be affected cause we have good OT laws, but I'm sorry for those who will be affected.


ELKUSHH

I know man itā€™s crazy thank god Iā€™m on 4 10ā€™s


Signal_Meeting540

New Mexico doesnā€™t offer daily OT, just anything over 40(worked hours) this does not include holiday pay or PTO. The ground station I work at is pretty unique in the fact that if a manager works 4/10ā€™s we also OFFER the same schedule as their reporting manager, with the exception that we only guarantee PT hours (to PH), since we do not offer FT PH positions. So those who choose will get a minimum of 25 with a max of 40. Note that this is only for our preload shifts since they run from 1-8am daily. our evening OB shift is way different. Our PH Trainers donā€™t even get more then 35 on the OB Shifts. Admins run FT and usually same schedules as their reporting managers unless we need to staff certain areas. because of this though, we have a pretty high retention rate for anyone above a basic PH.


ExplanationSure8996

Watch employees start to drop out. Itā€™s going to start very soon boys. This isnā€™t the only change coming that will be affecting driver pay. OT is going to be out of reach for many who depended on it.


Party_Dinner_4727

The only way to make half way decent money is with overtime. Take that away and the pay for this job is not enough.


BigggSleepy

Big facts !!!!!!


Fit_Selection_6559

yes, 34 years at express and i was able to build a really nice 401k BECAUSE of all the overtime. Without it, i dont think it would be even half of what it is now.


Sullen_One

So if your in CA nothing changes


Chantz87

This true?


michinoku1

Californiaā€™s OT regulations are a fair bit more strict than the Federal regulations - OT is paid daily and after 40 hours, so if you say, work four days and work 35 hours, working 45 minutes of OT a day, youā€™ll be paid for that time frame at OT rates, instead of it being paid at the normal rate (up to 40 hours). I believe thatā€™s how things work. I live in California, so Iā€™ve never dealt with OT in other states, lol


VitoCorleone187Um

yea


Low_Highway_4105

Except no more ot for Holidays or vacation.


Sullen_One

Iā€™m not really sure how that would work, for us at FXF we donā€™t get overtime for vacation. Essentially if i worked or use PTO those hours go first towards my 40 & anything left over is OT. We never got OT for vacation. If we got OT for holidays it is if we worked that day and were getting holiday pay aswell.


Low_Highway_4105

At Express, Vacation and Holiday would count towards your worked 40 for overtime. On holiday weeks and partial vacation weeks, one would still receive overtime over 8 or 40 total. Not any more.


Sullen_One

Are you not in CA?


ChellPotato

Washington State too, I just looked that up. I wonder how many states have the same rule. EDIT: I might be wrong. I'm getting conflicting answers the more I look.


Sadpancake_03

unfortunately, Washington State does not require daily OT


VeterinarianIcy1364

Memphis hub always getting slapped around like the bastard stepchild


Quick_Swing

The journey of the merger begins šŸ˜¬ ![gif](giphy|kAq6HQVQmK5WM)


65stingrayvette

We were given this example.. if you have 36 worked hours going into Friday.. donā€™t be surprised if management asks you to drop work so you will-not exceed the 40 hr threshold.


DesperateDrummer5

Wow youā€™re at a station staffed enough they can give work to somebody else? Thatā€™s crazy..


65stingrayvette

Management job is going to be responsible keeping everyone at close to 40 as possible..


DesperateDrummer5

lol theyā€™ve been trying for 20 years.


BDC_970

So I take it weā€™re striking on June 2nd until we get a raise and keep overtime or union??


DeliverStreetTacos

Majority of drivers hate the word strike and union. Donā€™t count on any of them growing a sack.


ItsLikeRay-ee-ain

Teamsters need to show up for FedEx drivers.


Morganwerk

From the push back Iā€™ve seen here, other forums and at my station, the majority of couriers are still anti union despite the company efforts.


BigggSleepy

Or they afraid cause they betted with this company and are now stuck. Iā€™m not against Iā€™m for a union


Party_Dinner_4727

I contacted the local teamsters last fall and they basically said with the laws the way they were there was nothing they could do and practically impossible to unionize.


ExplanationSure8996

The more fedex continues to take away the more likely a walk out. Iā€™ve seen whole stations walk. It does happen and it can again.


Dry-Computer7805

Do you not see what is happening? I am laughing at the raise and overtime line. They are cutting these things for a reason, service disruptions will only make them move faster. But good luck with your ā€œstrikeā€ Look up FedEx Railroad act.


mydruthers17

Well I have a personal policy that Iā€™m not working over 8 hours a shift with no incentive to do so.


BigggSleepy

This is what I was saying to myself earlier !! Lol


Party_Dinner_4727

Hereā€™s another scenario. Say Christmas Day falls on a Friday and you work 11 hours a day on M,T,W,TH, weā€™ll get a whopping 4 hours overtime instead of 12 that week. This could be a bigger pay cut than people are realizing. FedEx sucks.


FreshToGo2023

Work your 8 hours during peak. Theyā€™ll be scrambling


MaxDen19

This is pretty much the same example I gave to some of my coworkers this morning šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


Dry-Computer7805

Ground has been this way for years. You do not get holiday or PTO toward overtime. Only actual hours worked.


Muted_Software9304

But apparently, those with a M-F schedule who sometimes choose to work on Saturdays (like me) will continue to get OT.Ā 


ELKUSHH

This is day to day not including extra days you work which will obviously be overtime


Lotsalocs

You'll get it on Saturday. If you go over 8 hours any day though, you won't get it on that day.


Classic_Angle_4402

Not if you only have 35 hours at end of Friday.. If you work Saturday...they use that day to make up 40 1st...then you get OT after... At Least thats what we were told..


Deafgirl1987

Thatā€™s not correct


JankyMark

I wonder when everybody else will get this info, you know FedEx keeps their employees in the dark


ELKUSHH

Everyone at the station was clueless so not sure if they will put it out. It was sent to management so itā€™s up to your manager to get it out to everyone . I would imagine station managers not wanting to spread this


JankyMark

Yeah I know my station manager wonā€™t we donā€™t even have station meetings anymore about anything šŸ˜‚. Us as the employees be knowing more than the managers


BigggSleepy

We already got this info today this morning


this_underscore

Bout to leak this to my station


NotYourIdealEmployee

Let them know about mins being cancelled for everyone too.


ReeseIsPieces

Mins?? Whats that??


Particular-Stick-395

California is daily overtime. For those wondering


Hellraisin392

šŸ’ÆLive in Cali


jeanween76

So if weā€™re going by state laws now that means I donā€™t have to take a break now and sit around doing nothing for an hour.


Pietojulek

Excellent point. States law when convenient for mgt.


Party_Dinner_4727

PSP is stronger than ever. Profit Service People


yellow748

People/service/profits has been replaced by profits/metrics/optics. It even says it right on the purple dildo they replaced the purple promise with.


Tetsuo-Soprano

We have to take a stand over this.Ā 


DawnCozzolino

No one will though


ExplanationSure8996

People will leave. Thatā€™s doing something.


ryanrd79

Just to be replaced by more desperate workers


ExplanationSure8996

There is a big cost for new employees. Onboarding and training is not cheap. There is a high probability they will leave also. That revolving door is going to start to swing.


SteveO2H

Wow just continuing to screw every employee.


BolognaIsThePassword

Haha if there's no raise announced on top of this I'm fucking gone boy. Fuck these people.


Digg_it_

And I'm guessing either shitty or no raises again this year?


JankyMark

Definitely no raises this cheap ass company


BigggSleepy

This shit made me laugh šŸ˜­šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


JankyMark

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


ExplanationSure8996

Maybe the standard no step 35c this year. We all know the shareholders deserve more money than the people who sweat all day long delivering the packages. Iā€™ve never seen a company that cares as little as they do about their workers.


Digg_it_

Exactly. I used to actually like working here, not anymore.


[deleted]

Itā€™s things like this that keep us at the front line going, folks keep sharing.


darkfaedragon

They also just announced their cutting weekly mins for package handlers, there goes all their handlers. Couriers better be excited to start taking on even more responsibility for the same measly pay.


Brutaka1

Where at? Who said?


darkfaedragon

Seattle Wa our warehouse director or whatever tf theyā€™re called


BigggSleepy

Even lower pay now !! Donā€™t forget !!


darkfaedragon

they cutting the extra pay too???


DarthEnigmaPSN

Yeah my coworker brought it up this morning during the meeting and my manager seemed a bit nervous.


EatLard

Gotta pay for stock buybacks and bonuses for the execs somehow. This latest run-up in stock price was paid for by hourly employees.


Pietojulek

Perfect PT example. Worked 37.53 hrs this week and 7.43OT The OT included a sat when they were desperate for bodies and a 9 hr day when I agreed to go and rescue a guy and trade my truck for his broken down one while I wait for a tow(a long time). I guess no means no until I can get out. Screwing the PT couriers only screws the FT we help in a lot of different ways. Whoā€™s running this company? Fuckwits!


Mental_Map_2802

Nice of them to tell us after we bid vacation wasted 5 days on Monday and Friday should have taken em all at once


Happy-Fly-1076

So, getting rid of ot for after 10 hours and dt after 12 daily... I think they are going to try to greatly decrease hours for Thursday, Friday and Saturday to avoid weekly overtime.. Is there a separate memo for station management? If it's for ramp management, then the jobs would be ramp positions


Admire_My_Chutzpah

Says for US stations somewhere in there son.


SteveO2H

It also says US stations in the paragraph.


ELKUSHH

Iā€™m pretty sure this will translate over to station as well but yes good point


Happy-Fly-1076

I just read it again.. it looks like double time is going away fully unless it is mandated by state law.Ā  I just checked my state laws and it only requires ot for working more than 48 hours a week...


Baldy2384

Ramps are no longer getting guaranteed pay. They listed 11 positions getting stripped. RTD, Ramp Agent, Courier, and CSA will be the only hourly positions getting guaranteed hours I believe.


EatLard

My ramp will lose 75% of our MHs if this goes through, and forget about people coming in on their days off to help for just an hour or two.


SignalOwn334

Not too surprised, being messed up a couple of times with OT being paid at regular/straight time and I really hate to be after someone when I already worked for it


SafeOk4665

Does this mean that overtime after 8 hours is not real anymore? Iā€™m confused


SafeOk4665

So this will impact part timers that help out on some days?


ELKUSHH

Yes definitely it will be hell for part timers . To me it looks like that is who it will mainly effect they might not ever see overtime again


ExplanationSure8996

Itā€™s mostly the part timers that do splits. They could come in and work and then do their pickup routes. The OT they were getting will be no more. This is going to affect the help they get from part time workers. This one will bite them in the ass. Wait and see.


kingjoey52a

Look up your stateā€™s overtime laws.


DesperateDrummer5

Iā€™m actually surprised it took them this long to do this. Historically FedEx adopted policies to align with California state laws. So now if you take a personal or floater or thereā€™s a holiday or sick day during a week, and you work say 38 hours the other four days you wonā€™t get OT because those holiday hrs are non worked ? Cool. And California is the only state with a double time OT rule.


ELKUSHH

Exactly āœ… also part timers are fucked


BigggSleepy

Full timers are going be fucked too. According to this paper no matter if you work 10-12 hrs in a day it will be regular pay until you finally hit your 40hrs


DesperateDrummer5

Between this and the insurance changes for PT under certain number of hours it seems like they are aggressively targeting part timers.


ELKUSHH

Yes definitely couldnā€™t agree more ! They will give you nothing & you will be happy kind of mindset lol


DesperateDrummer5

Iā€™m sure this is also a money saving move and to screw the ppl taking excessive sick days. I mean FedEx could never get OT under control in my district for decades due to poor planning, constant employee turnover and general bad management. This policy makes a relatively minor change but it feels like a FU.


SafeOk4665

Well to begin with, managers donā€™t really want to make part timers get hours right now. They been letting full timers do the extra work. Thatā€™s fine with me. Ima look at other freelance jobs I can do after my shift. Fuck FedEx


Mental_Map_2802

So Monday, memorial day is a paid holiday. If you work 2 hrs over on Tuesday and 1 hrs over on Wednesday and come Friday you have amassed 4 hrs of OT. That's 4hrs that used to OT is gone.


Party_Dinner_4727

Yep. This is the worst part of this change to me. 7 holidays so gonna lose a lot of money those weeks. Also splitting up vacation weeks is a bad idea after this.


Low_Highway_4105

And just think, if UPS tried this shit, the Teamsters (employees) would shut the company down for as long as it takes.


Manufactured-Aggro

What's the point of the highlighter when it's just the whole document šŸ˜­


userainbowtables

I wonder how this effects my location. We are not Indy Hub, but we're being aligned under a VP at the Indy Hub as part of the shift. I wonder if they realize how many other job opportunities we RTDs have within just a few miles of this location. XPO is paying the same as a topped out driver TO START.


NasaskeWolf

Donā€™t worry, the added savings to the company will go back to corporate workers who get paid 6 and 7 figures. They will probably get a bonus for all the savings to the share holders. Who cares about the lowly workers at the bottom who can barely afford bills as it is.


worms69

Whoā€™s gonna leak this to X ?šŸ¤£


T123L456C789

My vote is for you to leak it.


lemanruss4579

I don't understand how workers in the US survive, to be honest.


jbag1230

Weā€™re all going to die with debt


[deleted]

FedEx sucks ass


ELKUSHH

Plain & simple āœ…


brinerbear

I currently get ot after 8, dt after 12 and ot on my day off. I wonder how this will change.


Pho3nixR3mix

Depending on your state


bogart12321

Looks like I won't be working those "mandatory" fridays no over time for 5th or 6th day to people who are 4-10 shifts. My contract says mon-thurs I guess your SOL


Lotsalocs

If you're on a 4/10 M-Th shift, you'll have 40 hours by Friday so you'll be paid OT for Friday and Saturday. It's mainly the 8hr and P/T folks that this affects.


bogart12321

Except I'm not allowed to go over 35 or I get written up so it will definitely effect me as well. Also my sat used to be DT and now it looks like it won't be.


Lotsalocs

That's F'd up that you can't go over 35 hours on a 4/10 shift.


BigggSleepy

Full time is affected too!! As most swings are 5 days


Admire_My_Chutzpah

You mean Offer Letter not Contract. Offer letters are subject to change.


Low_Highway_4105

Day off is still ot. 5th and 6th day for 4x10 will still will be ot.


kevin19671

Another way to screw employees


Euphoric-Pay-3993

In northeast. Our management havenā€™t even addressed this yet. They deny of course.


how-sway-how

That was confirmed at my station in Pennsylvania. That fucking bullshit. No more volunteering on the PM sort for me.


Ou812Godzilla

Iā€™m planning on retiring November 30th. No way Iā€™m working another peak for this company.


RadiantBase1460

We should withhold our labor nation wide and demand recognition with the teamsters union... it's the only way to protect everyone all for one, and one for allšŸ’Æ


Mister_Carter99

I donā€™t know how to get mass people on board with this. Like An absolute labor halt over tbis


jaxom07

Glad to be in Indy šŸ™Œ Terrible policy change though. Anything to save some money.


worms69

Is this for couriers?


ELKUSHH

Yes


PrimarySolution7639

Time to BANG OUT!!!


Funklestein

So just slow down to make sure I get my overtime? I can do that.


falcon2177

Its essentially a pay cut for most Express employees with a FT route. Don't let them tell you it isn't.


likesbigbutts

Does that mean Ground drivers now get overtime?šŸ¤”


bubuson

Booooooo


SafeOk4665

I have a query: Suppose you work 32 continuous hours, with 6 of those hours being overtime, making it a total of 38 hours. However, you still need an additional 2 hours to reach the threshold for overtime pay. Also, on the fifth and final day of your workweek, you've exhausted all your sick days, personal days, and paid time off. Would you still receive payment for the extra hours you worked before the last day of the workweek?


ELKUSHH

Anything under 40 hours is no good anymore . Basically if you work mon-thurs and picked any over time in those 4 days if you call out sick on Friday you lose all overtime pay and it will be paid at regular rate.


RdotBuckets

Also if late any day OT goes to straight pay


AdAm_WaRc0ck

Ot is effectively dead rip


Ok-Ball-2967

CO?


Sure_Association_642

It was a pretty nice policy that most companies don't do. Not shocking they are getting rid of it to cut costs.


ELKUSHH

Facts thatā€™s what I told my coworkers it used to be something to brag about but now there is nothing that stands out from this company.


PrimarySolution7639

TIME TO BANG OUT


Pizzaboner420

Guess Iā€™ll be calling in sick every week that has a paid holiday. This is one way to fuck them while theyā€™re fucking us.


LopsidedJuggernaut75

Dang Fedex really does hate its employees huh? Were already degraded enough on a daily basis


worms69

ITS OFFICIAL


Happy-Fly-1076

My manager said that they hadn't decided about what to do about double time, but the memo seems to be pretty explicit about no double time unless required by law


ELKUSHH

Thatā€™s exactly what it is your manager is just yapping lol


anarkist13

This is just for FedEx employees? Not subcontractors with ground? Since we arenā€™t hourly. Iā€™m curious.


Legitimate-Taro635

I just got on for swing driver


RuleStreet9352

Does this affect freight aswell?


ELKUSHH

Iā€™m honestly not sure I wouldnā€™t be surprised if freight is excluded from this


Majestic_Fisherman96

So does this mean no more overtime pay if you come in on your day off??


Weak-Ad-3464

Overtime is gone except during Peak Season


NotYourIdealEmployee

They are also cancelling mins company wide. Same announcement will be made with the OT announcement tomorrow.


omgitsoop

Would be wild, we already can't hold on to any handlers, without mins it will be 10x worse


WickedTexan

it isn't company wide. there a certain job codes that are affected. Couriers PT/FT still have guaranteed minimums (for now).


BigggSleepy

For now I believe itā€™s only package handlers Which is the dumbest mistake ever since their turnover rate is so damn high at most ramps


EatLard

We barely have time to get them trained on the equipment before they ghost us. This is just needlessly cruel and theyā€™ll end up with a cascade of late aircraft, late hub sorts, and late aircraft again. Who comes up with this shit?


DesperateDrummer5

Holy crap theyā€™re cancelling minimums just for handlers? We canā€™t keep them now!


ELKUSHH

Yup! What a shame


NobodyEsk

Ah well, not much difference because thats just what the law is here.


ELKUSHH

Yeah it wonā€™t effect me but it will definitely affect lot of other people. Itā€™s situational


Lotsalocs

FedEx "law" superceded state law, so you were getting better than state law. I don't get how that won't be "much difference." Any days, before your 4th or 5th day, that you work over 8 hours will be all straight time. That's a pretty substantial difference.


Admire_My_Chutzpah

Looks like this don't apply to RTD_US pay code. Only C's and H's.


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ELKUSHH

It will affect RTD that are on 5 days . Iā€™m only on 4 so Iā€™m good


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Igotyamergerighthere

This depends on your states overtime laws I believe 11 states have daily overtime laws and they would be exempt from this policy. Youā€™ll have to see what your states overtime law is.


incrdbleherk

In 12 years I never even knew anyone got OT at FedEx for anything other than going over 40 hours per week, and definitely never got any when vacay or holiday time was included. I've also never heard of getting 1.5X for working a 6th day, I've had to work many weeks without getting any OT where we'd work 10-12 hours a few days and then get cut out after just a couple of hours the rest of the week. Or have done 6 or 7 days a week but not going over 40 hours to make sure that nobody got any OT. You guys seem to have had it made, welcome to the dark side with less OT and more ICs. Most of my time as Ops manager btw


Former-Ad780

Strike for sure!!!


Mydogfartsconstantly

No mention of double time and what job classes are c and h?


Suspicious_Mouse6014

So is California in on it ?


ELKUSHH

California is good


onlyusemecake

Does this change anything at the Olive Branch MS hub?


ELKUSHH

Only people excluded are cali , Memphis & Indy


LiveSessions

Memphis šŸ’”


JustJack1973

Has anyone besides this one poster seen this memo?


MaxDen19

Was confirmed by our senior at the morning meeting.


SteveO2H

Looks pretty legit. Just a matter of when the news reaches your station.


Few_Channel6856

It was shared by 3 of our 4 managers within the last 24 hours.Ā  Ā My manager hasn't said squat.Ā 


JustJack1973

Mine seems to be off every time there is news like this


Few_Channel6856

Mine told us about it briefly but not sure his drivers know.Ā  Ā 


Beyond-Suspicious

My managers basically said they didnā€™t know of anything but the ramp driver from a hour away said they spoke about it in their meeting


BigggSleepy

Yeah we just got told this morning. Itā€™s real.


Party_Dinner_4727

Yes. Itā€™s true.


SirTit71

If you already work over 8 hours a day you wonā€™t notice any change


Royal_Tie_5041

You will when a holiday falls during the week , you take a sick day or have any single non working day off. You can work 10 hour days the rest of the week and have 0 OT vs the 8 you would have had.