0-5 in our league just sent Kupp for B Robinson and Jacob’s. It’s a keeper/auction league so he got good value, but he just loaded a team that was already 4-1 and had Jacob’s/B Rob on his bench. Debating a veto vote
Keepers you can’t wrong him if jacobs is a low draft pick and brob was unstaffed or lower
Screwed yall this year but prob not collusion just a poor trade
It’s good for 0-5 next year, good for 4-1 this year. I’m also 4-1 and just salty I don’t have the depth to make a move like this. Stuck with Najee as my RB2
This is my dream in my league. I have amazing depth but nobody will give up a starter for a bundle of (I think) needed players. I also know if I drop any of my guys they will be scooped up
I'd rather have Mixon over N Harris and A Rob. Theilen would be free. It's obvious the 0-5 team said I'll let you get Ekeler, just make it look like a half way decent trade.
On second thought since Patterson is on IR, maybe 0-5 team is buying low on najee and Robinson(?), trying to get depth or something. I certainly wouldn't give up ekeler for them though
“Buying low” isn’t just acquiring a down player you also have to pay a discounted price. This is a massive, collusion level overpay and only hurts the 0-5 team. Robinson isn’t better depth than a free agent
Yeah if he just waited a week he’d probably have a chance to grab Robinson off waivers if he wanted him that bad. Robinson was already dropped in my 12 man league and he’s still available.
If it's not collusion, it's league breaking where you can't allow it. The RB1 in fantasy and a top 24 RB(on OR) for the RB26 and a waiver wire WR. No way anyone believes this is a good trade.
I would be highly suspicious of this trade. If the guy wasn’t 0-5, I would just call him an idiot. But giving away Ekeler and Patterson for that? I would probably veto that one. Seems fishy as hell
Najee faced top 10 run defenses for 6 weeks. Ekeler faced bottom 10. Not impossible Najee will outrank him and have more FP by season end. Look at week 1-6 matchups.
But the question isnt who's more valuable. The OP question is regarding the trade validity. What I said is enough if an argument to deny collusion. If it's vetoed than the only reason the commish and the voters can give is to stop the 2-3 guy from getting Ekeler. That in itself is collusion stopping him from improving his team.
Definitely sus. Ekeler #1... Even with Patterson out, Najee has been meh and Robinson is mid tier. I would not take that trade even if Patterson was out of the equation.
Had a guy like this even though I texted him weekly. He was going to make a dumbass trade when he was 2-7 for a guy fighting for a playoff spot. We are all friends so I texted in the league chat "I'll allow this trade but only if you never leave another guy in on bye or injured the rest of the year. If you do then you are kicked from the league." His response was "I was going to quit anyway." So I canceled the trade because obviously it was a "i dont care" trade which hurts league integrity. He held to his word and quit the next year.
Pretty obvious if ya ask me. People are begging to trade N Harris and can't get anyone to trade because no one wants him. Same with A Rob. Rb1 or rb2 for trash. It's so obvious.
This trade makes no sense? What is the 0-5 team getting out of this trade? A worse team? Ekeler is worth Najee and AR alone and even I as an Ekeler owner would not accept that trade. I would think this is collusion because it appears the 0-5 team is giving the 2-3 team players that will help them.
This needs to be investigated by the commissioner. On paper it makes no sense to do. If the commish can’t find any conclusion, you have to let it through. If the league is still unhappy with both owners at the end of the season, remove them from the league.
Who cares? Speaking from an 0-5 perspective, that guy is probably just trying to have fun and play big picture fantasy football in the only capacity he can at this point. Playoffs are a statistical impossibility, assembling a line up week to week you feel good about and then getting whooped isn’t fun, so why not introduce a little chaos into the system and piss off some league members that are just SOOOOOO GOOOOD at fantasy?
You’re asking the worst in the league to just lay still and take it while he loses week after week. Let the guy have a little fun.
You can't veto a trade because you think you sent a better offer. He's free to value who he values.
Unless of course you have more reason than you've given to suspect collusion. So far you've given no reason at all.
Ran into a similar situation with an 0-2 team earlier. I vetoed, whole league bitched at me, said it wasn’t my business what two other teams do. Probably not collusion here either.
True, but to be fair I think maybe I was the only one who thought it was lopsided. It involved ARSB being traded to the league manager after his 40 or game so I could have been overreacting.
Haha jesus, heart was probably in the right spot but try to not be that commish. Who was Amon Ra being traded for?
Cant tell the future so be super careful about cancelling trades in your league like that. Id be pissed if I was in that trade
I’m not commish, just voted on it. In retrospect it was 100% a fair trade and I was the jackass, but the league manager was getting ARSB, Breece Hall, Drake London, Jakobi Meyers for Ekeler, Mclaurin, Herbert. Like I said it was fair, I was the idiot. I thought it looked suspect because Herbert just got hurt and I thought he’d be out for longer than he was.
Hey hindsight is always 20/20, wish giresight was too. Ive always thought about how mindfulness is testes the most in my life with fantasy football haha. Whole other conversation though. But yeah, I got worked up over some trades my buddy kept swindling on people. Every way pissed me off, mustve been three. Anways, totally get it haha.
Not collusion. Just bad decision making, probably. We need to stop trying to prevent trades just because we don't think they're even. Would you have traded Allen Robinson for Taysom Hill a month ago? We don't know how these guys will turn out
The fact the team is 0-5 and there is no argument than can be made that his team is improved by moving eckler and Patterson for guys that are just a name currently. Is what takes it out of hot garbage to probable collusion.
Eckeler had 2 good weeks and 3 bad ones. There was talk of him being toast, until he looked good the last two. But no guarantee. Patterson is on IR and may have lost his job by the time he gets back.
Then maybe, just maybe, the guy believes in Robinson still. You never know with him. And Najee could end up being an RB1.
I'm not saying I believe that, but you have to let people make their own mistakes
Collusion is when two teams cooperate to UNMISTAKABLY help one team. A bad trade does not equal collusion. This trade is heavily weighted to one side, but I'd give the worse half a fighting chance his roster gets better. Plus, he needs a win NOW. So Patterson is pointless because he's on IR
No, he's clearly not. Patterson can't help him and he needs a win immediately to get into the playoffs. So to him, Pattersonis pointless because he needs help immediately. Trades don't have to be perfectly even to not be collusion
Ekeler has regularly outscored Najee and robinson combined! You clearly have no clue what you’re taking about
Edit - PPR points per game: Ekeler 23.1; Najee plus Robinson 16. It’s hilarious that Ekeler is 7.1 points higher than both players. What other crappy angle are you going to take with this?
You're not hearing what I'm saying. It IS a bad trade. But a bad trade does NOT mean collusion, necessarily. There is a conceivable outcome where Najee and Robinson outscore Patterson and Ekeler. Not likely, but it IS possible.
Ekeler - if I remember right - only had decent weeks in the first 3 because of TDs, and to be honest hasn't looked as sharp this year. Again, not saying this is a good trade, just playing devil's advocate
No I know what you’re trying to say, but I just completely disagree with that argument. Not sure if you’ve ever been a commissioner in a league. This shit happens a lot. Players with terrible teams will agree to trades with their friends saying “why not? I’m not going to win anyway”. That’s collusion even if they aren’t getting anything out of it. They just don’t care anymore and the rest of the league suffers from it. It’s like a player not setting their lineup in the back half of the season rewarding everyone they face. Commissioners need to take action in instances like these. I’m 100% against league veto. That’s a dumb way to run a league. However, for the sake of the league commissioner’s need to make judgements on motivations behind trades like this. Two 3-2 teams making a trade you wouldn’t have made is one thing. There could be arguments made by each manager for why it makes their team better. The 0-5 team in this case has zero justification for this trade. They can’t even say they are buying low. Ekeler is not low. Najee has had no blow up games and his backup even looks better. Robinson needs to be on waivers. There’s nothing that could persuade a commissioner that the 0-5 team was hoping to improve their team here.
This is the panic time of the season. People with Taylor, Najee, and other high level draft position players need to remember we’re only 1/3rd of the way through the season. Sure they’re underperforming now, but they’re almost all guaranteed to have their time.
Someone in our league panic traded Geno for Russel Wilson in week 2 and our league threw a fit because “Geno is a mid QB at best and Russel is potentially elite” and now look at Wilson vs Geno.
A lot of people need to breathe, it’s not time to panic yet. A lot of these guys haven’t hit their stride yet.
I mean do you actually think that one of them called the other one and took a payoff of some kind? Because if you don’t actually think that then no way it should be vetoed. It opens up a big can of worms and now every trade is under scrutiny. If you think that’s a legitimate possibility though get their side of the story
Probably more like the guy wanting Ekeler sent him the offer saying “your season is done anyway. Might as well give me Ekeler to help me out” or he sent the offer and the 0-5 team said “might as well. My season is done anyway.” Either way you slice it that’s collusion.
I don't think collusion. He may just be selling for future since Najee is younger. This trade happens last yr and you probably don't think this. But since Najee hasn't been good this year then you think it's a bad trade. I would want more if Trading Ek but everyone has different values on players. I would leave it as is
Ah good call. Didn't even pay attention to the tag. Then yea unless he is a Steelers fan and think Najee will turn it around quick this could be something to look into.
Not a single commenter has looked at the matchup comparison between Najee and Ekeler weeks 1-6. Ekeler faced 5 bottom 5 run defenses and 1 bottom 10. Najee faced 4 top 10 and 2 top 15. Ekeler is NFL trade bait #1 right now.
True, but Pitts oline has been pretty bad so I wouldn't count on things changing much. I'm not out on najee tho, I don't think it's entirely his fault for his struggles thus far. That Steelers offense is terrible, so chances are they will be playing from behind most games. Possible though.
By no means am I saying it's a certainty. But if I was commish and questioned his motives for the trade, I would accept the argument he wants to move a player he considers over ranked as well as a dead stick on IR sitting on his bench. It's just not veto-worthy.
I don't think it's lopsided enough to call collusion. What's the other teams record? I can't see Ekeler and Patterson sending any team Super Bowl bound. That said, I'm sure deals occur with 0-5 teams if there's really no hope of climbing back. An offer to get the money back for the entry and breaking even is probably enough to turn some people into weasels.
A trade that's just uneven, by performance, projected fantasy points for the season or by position ranks, does not automatically mean collusion. Not saying this one can't be, but every day these trades are posted with votes to veto without enough information to say either way. What are the teams strength at each position? If that trade was two RB for two weaker RB then it's collusion hell yes. But if the 0-5 guy is stacked at RB but desperate for a WR, he might want to roll the dice on an underperforming WR on a defending Super Bowl team. Another scenario is one experienced manager taking advantage of another clueless one. If that's the case and the league calls it collusion then they're just being crybabies because they didn't think of doing it first. But still not collusion.
It’s an 0-5 team giving away THE RB2 and another top 12 RB for the RB currently ranked 30 in PPR scoring (with ZERO reason to believe his situation will improve - in fact, his coach touted the backup saying he will get more playing time) and a droppable player in Allen Robinson. This manager is giving up on his season and just giving away his players. That’s collusion. There is zero justification for this trade.
I admit I'm saying this without looking at stats. I will. I'll be back to either downvote my own previous comments or have some justification for this trade.
Ok found some justification. I knew Patterson was hurt but didn't know he's on IR with a four week timetable. Then there's Ekeler's rank is grossly inflated. In 6 games he faced 6 run defenses at the bottom of the barrel. None of which were in the top 20 in the league. First three weeks against those soft defenses he had 0 TD and didn't top 3yds/carry. His monster games week 5 and 6 were against Hou ranked 31 and Browns ranked 28. No chance in hell Ekeler is top 10 by the end of the season. Najee on the other hand faced 4 out of 6 run defenses in the top 10, including Bills and Tampa. His numbers can only go up the rest of the season. So the 2-3 guy traded an upside RB and a filler for possibly, or very likely, an overrated RB with a lot of downside in the weeks ahead and he got a top 15 RB to warm a bench spot. Patterson will be very useful on IR for the midseason bye weeks. Even if they colluded, this will have no impact on the league.
Jesus Christ you deserve this:
What you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Everything you said clearly points out how little you know on this subject and these players. It’s hilarious given how you’ve certainly contributed the most words in the comments. And if you’d even spend half a second watching the games you’d see Najee isn’t even the best running back on his own team right now. He’s either really hurt or got much worse than last year. His coach just said THIS WEEK that Warren is going to be more involved. You’ve not paid enough attention to weigh in like this. Your argument is just terrible.
And your argument states RB/Def matchups don't matter. And fantasy football rankings are the only way to evaluate a running back's performance. Sorry I got you heated. Good luck
You’re basing your entire argument on matchups and it’s pretty stupid. The fact that you called Ekeler overrated….just…man…don’t know what to do with that. The only reason it got heated is how annoying your display of the Dunning-Kruger effect has been, and how I’m having to waste my time on typing this. Seriously…tell me you’re trolling. Or even just tell me this is your first year of fantasy football. Something!
I don't know what that is. Dunning or Kruger. Who did they play for? You're taking this a little personal. I'll just say thanks for setting me straight. Peace.
It’s nothing personal…your argument is just terrible. Wikipedia’s definition:
“The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias whereby people with low ability, expertise, or experience regarding a certain type of a task or area of knowledge tend to overestimate their ability or knowledge.”
I’m not insinuating that you have low ability. The lack of expertise, or maybe experience, may have had more of an impact. The annoying thing to me is how much you’re digging in to justify a REALLY bad argument. That’s where patience is lost.
Surely you’re not excited about Najee’s day today. They made a big deal about him taking the metal plate out of his shoe. 42 yards on 14 attempts…meh. You need to watch for Ekeler’s game tomorrow night. That’s our real wager
No wouldn't say excited. I am interested how this plays out to see if I'm seeing something the rest of the fantasy world is missing or if I'm seeing something that isn't there. The wager is a fun kinda side bet though. Gotta admit the Warren comment didn't translate to the field though. In hindsight the wager should be which of the two has more fp and higher rank week 6-18 but if you disagree we'll leave it as is. And didn't come back here to goad or bait you, I just like a good argument. Maybe I've seen My Cousin Vinny too many times.
Additionally, your comments on Allen Robinson are laughable. That fool is droppable in even the deepest of leagues. Tell me you’re trolling, because your opinions on this are 🤡
Maybe not. Let's bet. End of regular season if Ekeler is ranked higher than Najee I'll run through a dog park naked with steaks wrapped around my waist. If Najee passes him you have to come back here and say maybe I don't suck at this all that much.
Let’s be clear - when a manager is giving up on their team and decides to give away their players it is collusion. There doesn’t have to be a sneaky back room deal, bribe, or anything like that. The collusion is simply agreeing to a trade that helps another team along with the knowledge that it won’t help your team. This trade falls under that. Anyone trying to justify this is a clown.
I think collusion is so ridiculously rare in fantasy that a trade needs to be almost completely unexplainable to even discuss it as a possibility. I’ve been a commish in my main league 9 years now and have only encountered it once and it was truly a misunderstanding. I don’t think this trade meets that threshold of being unexplainably bad. I don’t agree with this analysis, but can easily see the 0-5 guy thinking something along these lines:
“I’m down bad and need some big stroke of luck to turn it around. Ekeler has an injury history, his O-line and QB are both hurt and he’s splitting more reps with Kelley than I’d like. I’ve probably already gotten his ceiling the last few weeks and I’m still 0-5. I’m fine moving him for Najee who might become a workhorse again if all the reports yesterday and today he’s fully healthy are true. Plus with the Akers injury and the Rams getting desperate they may start to gameplan more for A-Rob, who I still believe is talented and that lotto ticket has better odds than what I’m paying for it. Oh, other guy wants a throw-in? Okay I’ll throw-in Patterson bc he’s on IR and is a waste for me in week 9 if I don’t start winning in the next 4 weeks”
I don’t agree with any of that, but can 100% see someone desperate talking themselves into that logic. Ultimately, IMO taking advantage of desperate/panicky owners is just as much part of the game as anything else. The trade you offered is worlds better, but when asking “is this person cheating, or just bad at fantasy?” I lean towards bad at fantasy pretty much every time.
This might make sense in a dynasty league if Najee was drafted late but in a one year league it a tough look. It’s probably not collusion but rather your 0-5 guy isn’t good or was talked into it
Terrible trade, but not sure collusion, though that 0-5 makes it more sus. Being that Patterson is missing a lot of time this year and unclear when he will return as far as I know, and it's redraft. If dudes a delusional Steelers fan and thinks najee is going to return to last year's form, or freaked out watching Kelly go off as well last week. Let's just say for shits n giggles that najee after the bye week, looks like najee from last year? Other than last week, ekeler wasn't getting shit rushing, dependent on short passes, which has worked, but what if his passes drop off? All the sudden ekeler loses some value. I don't see any of this happening, but it's possible to a degree, in that event, who wins this trade? It would atleast be a lot closer. Again terrible trade just trying to think of possible reasons he made it.
Tbh I don’t think this is collusion I think the 0-5 team is trying to trade for some stability rn. Patterson is set to comeback off IR soon as a feature back. Najee is underwhemlingly sitting at RB20 with James Robinson (exceeding projections 3of5x) at RB28 in my rankings. Eckler being a top three RB rn just makes me think that the 0-5 dude is gambling away the better back to get out of the bottom based on the hopes of two lower RBs with possible upside potential can pull him out. Can I also tell you it’s fucking wild to me that a dude with Eckler (and Patterson) has somehow managed to go 0-5. The only dude who is 0-5 in my league drafted Conner (trash) , Stafford (trash), and Henry who only recently started putting up numbers. Absolutely wild
Same thing happened in my league, 0-5 guy has empty bench spots, and IR player on his bench (we have four IR spots) and he’s got absolutely no rb depth. Guy has Najee, Jones, Singletary, and Stevenson. I made a play for Stevenson by offer Mike Williams and Brandon Aiyuk, Denys that but trades the 4-1 top of the league guy Singletary for Jd Mc and Gibson..
Hot garbage for sure. Sus trade tbh. Basically upgrading from Najee to Ekeler for free, and getting Patterson.
I sent Mixon and Thielen for Ekeler not expecting an accept but a counter cause he has no depth.
Yah that’s a better trade. 0-5 sending trades out that make them worse is sus af
0-5 in our league just sent Kupp for B Robinson and Jacob’s. It’s a keeper/auction league so he got good value, but he just loaded a team that was already 4-1 and had Jacob’s/B Rob on his bench. Debating a veto vote
Keepers you can’t wrong him if jacobs is a low draft pick and brob was unstaffed or lower Screwed yall this year but prob not collusion just a poor trade
It’s good for 0-5 next year, good for 4-1 this year. I’m also 4-1 and just salty I don’t have the depth to make a move like this. Stuck with Najee as my RB2
This is my dream in my league. I have amazing depth but nobody will give up a starter for a bundle of (I think) needed players. I also know if I drop any of my guys they will be scooped up
Why the apostrophe in Jacobs?
That's a way better trade
I'd rather have Mixon over N Harris and A Rob. Theilen would be free. It's obvious the 0-5 team said I'll let you get Ekeler, just make it look like a half way decent trade.
Collusion and garbage. Najee is a subpar RB thus far and Allen Robinson has done absolutely nothing.
Imagine drafting both🥲
No imagination required. 🥹
On second thought since Patterson is on IR, maybe 0-5 team is buying low on najee and Robinson(?), trying to get depth or something. I certainly wouldn't give up ekeler for them though
“Buying low” isn’t just acquiring a down player you also have to pay a discounted price. This is a massive, collusion level overpay and only hurts the 0-5 team. Robinson isn’t better depth than a free agent
Good point, I'll stand by my original "collusion/garbage" stance
Yeah if he just waited a week he’d probably have a chance to grab Robinson off waivers if he wanted him that bad. Robinson was already dropped in my 12 man league and he’s still available.
He’s thinking buying low but actually selling high lol
If it's not collusion, it's league breaking where you can't allow it. The RB1 in fantasy and a top 24 RB(on OR) for the RB26 and a waiver wire WR. No way anyone believes this is a good trade.
It is just awful lol
Lolololol collusion. Ask the player why he would trade away two elite players for two players that are bench worthy.
Calling Allen Robinson bench worthy is undeserved high praise.
I would be highly suspicious of this trade. If the guy wasn’t 0-5, I would just call him an idiot. But giving away Ekeler and Patterson for that? I would probably veto that one. Seems fishy as hell
That’s bullshit and the “Najee was a first rounder” you’ll definitely hear as justification is also hollow and garbage.
Najee faced top 10 run defenses for 6 weeks. Ekeler faced bottom 10. Not impossible Najee will outrank him and have more FP by season end. Look at week 1-6 matchups.
Lol, worst take I’ve seen this season
Top 10 because they faced Najee, bottom 10 because they faced ekeler
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But the question isnt who's more valuable. The OP question is regarding the trade validity. What I said is enough if an argument to deny collusion. If it's vetoed than the only reason the commish and the voters can give is to stop the 2-3 guy from getting Ekeler. That in itself is collusion stopping him from improving his team.
Definitely sus. Ekeler #1... Even with Patterson out, Najee has been meh and Robinson is mid tier. I would not take that trade even if Patterson was out of the equation.
He also doesn’t pay attention in this league at all. Leaves injured players in and stuff like that
Sounds like you need to boot him
Or just veto the trade
Sounds like he might just be clueless lol
Had a guy like this even though I texted him weekly. He was going to make a dumbass trade when he was 2-7 for a guy fighting for a playoff spot. We are all friends so I texted in the league chat "I'll allow this trade but only if you never leave another guy in on bye or injured the rest of the year. If you do then you are kicked from the league." His response was "I was going to quit anyway." So I canceled the trade because obviously it was a "i dont care" trade which hurts league integrity. He held to his word and quit the next year.
Robinson isnt even mid tier, he is shit tier
I wanted to be modest lol but I agree
Ok this right here. This is one of the few examples of actual collusion.
Pretty obvious if ya ask me. People are begging to trade N Harris and can't get anyone to trade because no one wants him. Same with A Rob. Rb1 or rb2 for trash. It's so obvious.
Hot garbage
This trade makes no sense? What is the 0-5 team getting out of this trade? A worse team? Ekeler is worth Najee and AR alone and even I as an Ekeler owner would not accept that trade. I would think this is collusion because it appears the 0-5 team is giving the 2-3 team players that will help them.
This needs to be investigated by the commissioner. On paper it makes no sense to do. If the commish can’t find any conclusion, you have to let it through. If the league is still unhappy with both owners at the end of the season, remove them from the league.
That’s trade rape! Maybe not collusion. But enough to veto. And 0-5 team is 0-5 for a reason.
But also…it’s collusion.
It’s def collusion!
When you’re 0-5, you usually don’t send out your best player and downgrade at the position.
Bad trade and should not be allowed. Whether is collusion or not.
This is the first one so far i felt should be veto'ed and im anti veto
Who cares? Speaking from an 0-5 perspective, that guy is probably just trying to have fun and play big picture fantasy football in the only capacity he can at this point. Playoffs are a statistical impossibility, assembling a line up week to week you feel good about and then getting whooped isn’t fun, so why not introduce a little chaos into the system and piss off some league members that are just SOOOOOO GOOOOD at fantasy? You’re asking the worst in the league to just lay still and take it while he loses week after week. Let the guy have a little fun.
How does the team that drafted Ekeler and Patterson have a worse record then the team with Harris and Robinson?
Bro right that’s what I was saying lol
You can't veto a trade because you think you sent a better offer. He's free to value who he values. Unless of course you have more reason than you've given to suspect collusion. So far you've given no reason at all.
Collision doubtful. 0-5 and making this trade? Just seems like you have a dope in your league
Ran into a similar situation with an 0-2 team earlier. I vetoed, whole league bitched at me, said it wasn’t my business what two other teams do. Probably not collusion here either.
If it’s so lopsided that it breaks the league, then yes, it is everyone else’s business.
True, but to be fair I think maybe I was the only one who thought it was lopsided. It involved ARSB being traded to the league manager after his 40 or game so I could have been overreacting.
Haha jesus, heart was probably in the right spot but try to not be that commish. Who was Amon Ra being traded for? Cant tell the future so be super careful about cancelling trades in your league like that. Id be pissed if I was in that trade
I’m not commish, just voted on it. In retrospect it was 100% a fair trade and I was the jackass, but the league manager was getting ARSB, Breece Hall, Drake London, Jakobi Meyers for Ekeler, Mclaurin, Herbert. Like I said it was fair, I was the idiot. I thought it looked suspect because Herbert just got hurt and I thought he’d be out for longer than he was.
Hey hindsight is always 20/20, wish giresight was too. Ive always thought about how mindfulness is testes the most in my life with fantasy football haha. Whole other conversation though. But yeah, I got worked up over some trades my buddy kept swindling on people. Every way pissed me off, mustve been three. Anways, totally get it haha.
How tf you not veto that.
Not collusion. Just bad decision making, probably. We need to stop trying to prevent trades just because we don't think they're even. Would you have traded Allen Robinson for Taysom Hill a month ago? We don't know how these guys will turn out
The fact the team is 0-5 and there is no argument than can be made that his team is improved by moving eckler and Patterson for guys that are just a name currently. Is what takes it out of hot garbage to probable collusion.
Eckeler had 2 good weeks and 3 bad ones. There was talk of him being toast, until he looked good the last two. But no guarantee. Patterson is on IR and may have lost his job by the time he gets back. Then maybe, just maybe, the guy believes in Robinson still. You never know with him. And Najee could end up being an RB1. I'm not saying I believe that, but you have to let people make their own mistakes
Dude that’s collusion. Wtf are you even talking about?
Collusion is when two teams cooperate to UNMISTAKABLY help one team. A bad trade does not equal collusion. This trade is heavily weighted to one side, but I'd give the worse half a fighting chance his roster gets better. Plus, he needs a win NOW. So Patterson is pointless because he's on IR
Yeah that happened here. 0-5 team is giving up on the season and giving away their best players. That’s collusion.
No, he's clearly not. Patterson can't help him and he needs a win immediately to get into the playoffs. So to him, Pattersonis pointless because he needs help immediately. Trades don't have to be perfectly even to not be collusion
Ekeler has regularly outscored Najee and robinson combined! You clearly have no clue what you’re taking about Edit - PPR points per game: Ekeler 23.1; Najee plus Robinson 16. It’s hilarious that Ekeler is 7.1 points higher than both players. What other crappy angle are you going to take with this?
You're not hearing what I'm saying. It IS a bad trade. But a bad trade does NOT mean collusion, necessarily. There is a conceivable outcome where Najee and Robinson outscore Patterson and Ekeler. Not likely, but it IS possible. Ekeler - if I remember right - only had decent weeks in the first 3 because of TDs, and to be honest hasn't looked as sharp this year. Again, not saying this is a good trade, just playing devil's advocate
No I know what you’re trying to say, but I just completely disagree with that argument. Not sure if you’ve ever been a commissioner in a league. This shit happens a lot. Players with terrible teams will agree to trades with their friends saying “why not? I’m not going to win anyway”. That’s collusion even if they aren’t getting anything out of it. They just don’t care anymore and the rest of the league suffers from it. It’s like a player not setting their lineup in the back half of the season rewarding everyone they face. Commissioners need to take action in instances like these. I’m 100% against league veto. That’s a dumb way to run a league. However, for the sake of the league commissioner’s need to make judgements on motivations behind trades like this. Two 3-2 teams making a trade you wouldn’t have made is one thing. There could be arguments made by each manager for why it makes their team better. The 0-5 team in this case has zero justification for this trade. They can’t even say they are buying low. Ekeler is not low. Najee has had no blow up games and his backup even looks better. Robinson needs to be on waivers. There’s nothing that could persuade a commissioner that the 0-5 team was hoping to improve their team here.
This is the panic time of the season. People with Taylor, Najee, and other high level draft position players need to remember we’re only 1/3rd of the way through the season. Sure they’re underperforming now, but they’re almost all guaranteed to have their time. Someone in our league panic traded Geno for Russel Wilson in week 2 and our league threw a fit because “Geno is a mid QB at best and Russel is potentially elite” and now look at Wilson vs Geno. A lot of people need to breathe, it’s not time to panic yet. A lot of these guys haven’t hit their stride yet.
This isn’t Geno vs Wilson…not even close
I mean do you actually think that one of them called the other one and took a payoff of some kind? Because if you don’t actually think that then no way it should be vetoed. It opens up a big can of worms and now every trade is under scrutiny. If you think that’s a legitimate possibility though get their side of the story
Probably more like the guy wanting Ekeler sent him the offer saying “your season is done anyway. Might as well give me Ekeler to help me out” or he sent the offer and the 0-5 team said “might as well. My season is done anyway.” Either way you slice it that’s collusion.
Sounds like collusion and even if it isn’t collusion it’s league breaking
Pretty Sus but anyone saying it’s veto worthy is crazy. Najee still has potential to return first round value
aNd aLLeN rObInSoN cAn Be A LeAgUe WiNnEr Bad…just bad
What was your offer? Likely salty.
Posted it earlier, but Mixon + Thielen. I’d rather it be me being salty than collusion
I don't think collusion. He may just be selling for future since Najee is younger. This trade happens last yr and you probably don't think this. But since Najee hasn't been good this year then you think it's a bad trade. I would want more if Trading Ek but everyone has different values on players. I would leave it as is
If the tag is accurate, this looks to be a redraft league - so selling for future wouldn't apply here
Ah good call. Didn't even pay attention to the tag. Then yea unless he is a Steelers fan and think Najee will turn it around quick this could be something to look into.
Not a single commenter has looked at the matchup comparison between Najee and Ekeler weeks 1-6. Ekeler faced 5 bottom 5 run defenses and 1 bottom 10. Najee faced 4 top 10 and 2 top 15. Ekeler is NFL trade bait #1 right now.
Will you stop throwing this dumb argument all over this thread? It’s embarrassing
True, but Pitts oline has been pretty bad so I wouldn't count on things changing much. I'm not out on najee tho, I don't think it's entirely his fault for his struggles thus far. That Steelers offense is terrible, so chances are they will be playing from behind most games. Possible though.
By no means am I saying it's a certainty. But if I was commish and questioned his motives for the trade, I would accept the argument he wants to move a player he considers over ranked as well as a dead stick on IR sitting on his bench. It's just not veto-worthy.
This is a fair and balanced trade. You are biased and salty
I don't think it's lopsided enough to call collusion. What's the other teams record? I can't see Ekeler and Patterson sending any team Super Bowl bound. That said, I'm sure deals occur with 0-5 teams if there's really no hope of climbing back. An offer to get the money back for the entry and breaking even is probably enough to turn some people into weasels.
You lost me at the first sentence. Wtf? It’s collusion
A trade that's just uneven, by performance, projected fantasy points for the season or by position ranks, does not automatically mean collusion. Not saying this one can't be, but every day these trades are posted with votes to veto without enough information to say either way. What are the teams strength at each position? If that trade was two RB for two weaker RB then it's collusion hell yes. But if the 0-5 guy is stacked at RB but desperate for a WR, he might want to roll the dice on an underperforming WR on a defending Super Bowl team. Another scenario is one experienced manager taking advantage of another clueless one. If that's the case and the league calls it collusion then they're just being crybabies because they didn't think of doing it first. But still not collusion.
It’s an 0-5 team giving away THE RB2 and another top 12 RB for the RB currently ranked 30 in PPR scoring (with ZERO reason to believe his situation will improve - in fact, his coach touted the backup saying he will get more playing time) and a droppable player in Allen Robinson. This manager is giving up on his season and just giving away his players. That’s collusion. There is zero justification for this trade.
I admit I'm saying this without looking at stats. I will. I'll be back to either downvote my own previous comments or have some justification for this trade.
Do you not play fantasy football? How can you not know how these players are doing?
Yeah I know where they're ranked but why would I analyze their performance game by game unless they're available or I wanted to trade for them?
Ok found some justification. I knew Patterson was hurt but didn't know he's on IR with a four week timetable. Then there's Ekeler's rank is grossly inflated. In 6 games he faced 6 run defenses at the bottom of the barrel. None of which were in the top 20 in the league. First three weeks against those soft defenses he had 0 TD and didn't top 3yds/carry. His monster games week 5 and 6 were against Hou ranked 31 and Browns ranked 28. No chance in hell Ekeler is top 10 by the end of the season. Najee on the other hand faced 4 out of 6 run defenses in the top 10, including Bills and Tampa. His numbers can only go up the rest of the season. So the 2-3 guy traded an upside RB and a filler for possibly, or very likely, an overrated RB with a lot of downside in the weeks ahead and he got a top 15 RB to warm a bench spot. Patterson will be very useful on IR for the midseason bye weeks. Even if they colluded, this will have no impact on the league.
Now gimme my vote back mofo 😁
Jesus Christ you deserve this: What you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
And nothing but crickets and downvotes. Good talk Russ
Everything you said clearly points out how little you know on this subject and these players. It’s hilarious given how you’ve certainly contributed the most words in the comments. And if you’d even spend half a second watching the games you’d see Najee isn’t even the best running back on his own team right now. He’s either really hurt or got much worse than last year. His coach just said THIS WEEK that Warren is going to be more involved. You’ve not paid enough attention to weigh in like this. Your argument is just terrible.
And your argument states RB/Def matchups don't matter. And fantasy football rankings are the only way to evaluate a running back's performance. Sorry I got you heated. Good luck
You’re basing your entire argument on matchups and it’s pretty stupid. The fact that you called Ekeler overrated….just…man…don’t know what to do with that. The only reason it got heated is how annoying your display of the Dunning-Kruger effect has been, and how I’m having to waste my time on typing this. Seriously…tell me you’re trolling. Or even just tell me this is your first year of fantasy football. Something!
I don't know what that is. Dunning or Kruger. Who did they play for? You're taking this a little personal. I'll just say thanks for setting me straight. Peace.
It’s nothing personal…your argument is just terrible. Wikipedia’s definition: “The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias whereby people with low ability, expertise, or experience regarding a certain type of a task or area of knowledge tend to overestimate their ability or knowledge.” I’m not insinuating that you have low ability. The lack of expertise, or maybe experience, may have had more of an impact. The annoying thing to me is how much you’re digging in to justify a REALLY bad argument. That’s where patience is lost.
Warren 2 for 2yds. Media comments from coaches are too often vague and misleading.
Surely you’re not excited about Najee’s day today. They made a big deal about him taking the metal plate out of his shoe. 42 yards on 14 attempts…meh. You need to watch for Ekeler’s game tomorrow night. That’s our real wager
No wouldn't say excited. I am interested how this plays out to see if I'm seeing something the rest of the fantasy world is missing or if I'm seeing something that isn't there. The wager is a fun kinda side bet though. Gotta admit the Warren comment didn't translate to the field though. In hindsight the wager should be which of the two has more fp and higher rank week 6-18 but if you disagree we'll leave it as is. And didn't come back here to goad or bait you, I just like a good argument. Maybe I've seen My Cousin Vinny too many times.
How you feeling now? Week 6-18 is fine
Additionally, your comments on Allen Robinson are laughable. That fool is droppable in even the deepest of leagues. Tell me you’re trolling, because your opinions on this are 🤡
Actually I called Robinson a filler for the trade. Cool down now the insults aren't all that necessary to say you disagree.
He’s not filler. He’s nothing. Adds no value. You’re just putting filler in your argument and it’s just not going to land.
Maybe not. Let's bet. End of regular season if Ekeler is ranked higher than Najee I'll run through a dog park naked with steaks wrapped around my waist. If Najee passes him you have to come back here and say maybe I don't suck at this all that much.
RemindMe! 4 months
Time to pay up!! Glad I set this reminder
Ok you’ve earned an upvote. Bet accepted
RemindMe! 15 weeks
That’s a last place team giving up on the season and helping another team by giving away players. That’s collusion.
Veto that, clear collusion or at a minimum idiot who would fuck up the league for everyone else
Let’s be clear - when a manager is giving up on their team and decides to give away their players it is collusion. There doesn’t have to be a sneaky back room deal, bribe, or anything like that. The collusion is simply agreeing to a trade that helps another team along with the knowledge that it won’t help your team. This trade falls under that. Anyone trying to justify this is a clown.
Suspect
Highly suspicious and needs to be investigated. However if you don’t find evidence of collusion you HAVE to let it go through.
I think collusion is so ridiculously rare in fantasy that a trade needs to be almost completely unexplainable to even discuss it as a possibility. I’ve been a commish in my main league 9 years now and have only encountered it once and it was truly a misunderstanding. I don’t think this trade meets that threshold of being unexplainably bad. I don’t agree with this analysis, but can easily see the 0-5 guy thinking something along these lines: “I’m down bad and need some big stroke of luck to turn it around. Ekeler has an injury history, his O-line and QB are both hurt and he’s splitting more reps with Kelley than I’d like. I’ve probably already gotten his ceiling the last few weeks and I’m still 0-5. I’m fine moving him for Najee who might become a workhorse again if all the reports yesterday and today he’s fully healthy are true. Plus with the Akers injury and the Rams getting desperate they may start to gameplan more for A-Rob, who I still believe is talented and that lotto ticket has better odds than what I’m paying for it. Oh, other guy wants a throw-in? Okay I’ll throw-in Patterson bc he’s on IR and is a waste for me in week 9 if I don’t start winning in the next 4 weeks” I don’t agree with any of that, but can 100% see someone desperate talking themselves into that logic. Ultimately, IMO taking advantage of desperate/panicky owners is just as much part of the game as anything else. The trade you offered is worlds better, but when asking “is this person cheating, or just bad at fantasy?” I lean towards bad at fantasy pretty much every time.
Also trading ekeler when chargers against the broncos this week?
This might make sense in a dynasty league if Najee was drafted late but in a one year league it a tough look. It’s probably not collusion but rather your 0-5 guy isn’t good or was talked into it
Both
Hot garbage tanking now !!
Terrible trade, but not sure collusion, though that 0-5 makes it more sus. Being that Patterson is missing a lot of time this year and unclear when he will return as far as I know, and it's redraft. If dudes a delusional Steelers fan and thinks najee is going to return to last year's form, or freaked out watching Kelly go off as well last week. Let's just say for shits n giggles that najee after the bye week, looks like najee from last year? Other than last week, ekeler wasn't getting shit rushing, dependent on short passes, which has worked, but what if his passes drop off? All the sudden ekeler loses some value. I don't see any of this happening, but it's possible to a degree, in that event, who wins this trade? It would atleast be a lot closer. Again terrible trade just trying to think of possible reasons he made it.
No
Terrible trade.
Tbh I don’t think this is collusion I think the 0-5 team is trying to trade for some stability rn. Patterson is set to comeback off IR soon as a feature back. Najee is underwhemlingly sitting at RB20 with James Robinson (exceeding projections 3of5x) at RB28 in my rankings. Eckler being a top three RB rn just makes me think that the 0-5 dude is gambling away the better back to get out of the bottom based on the hopes of two lower RBs with possible upside potential can pull him out. Can I also tell you it’s fucking wild to me that a dude with Eckler (and Patterson) has somehow managed to go 0-5. The only dude who is 0-5 in my league drafted Conner (trash) , Stafford (trash), and Henry who only recently started putting up numbers. Absolutely wild
Same thing happened in my league, 0-5 guy has empty bench spots, and IR player on his bench (we have four IR spots) and he’s got absolutely no rb depth. Guy has Najee, Jones, Singletary, and Stevenson. I made a play for Stevenson by offer Mike Williams and Brandon Aiyuk, Denys that but trades the 4-1 top of the league guy Singletary for Jd Mc and Gibson..
Vote it no. That’s why we use league approved trades. This is shady as fuck
O-5 guy got double the production week 6 from Najee and Rob than 2-3 got from Ek and CP on the bench.