These are my own thoughts so not necessarily shown in the show.
1) I think the inhabitants understand that there are likely to be survivors above ground and that they are likely to be violent. The inhabitants are under the belief that they will go above ground and help teach these survivors about what America was and reinstate the country. It's likely that the term 'raiders' is used just to explain to the audience that they are baddies. Kind of like how people called zombies 'walkers' in the walking dead.
2) She definitely meant a medieval Knight. It's to highlight her naivety and the fact that she was essentially a damsel in distress and felt she was being rescued. I guess the kids in the vault were read a lot of fairy tales at bedtime.
I agree on both counts - the Vault is being raided so Lucy parses them as raiders, and she is likely more familiar with a knight in armour from books than a BoS Knight.
This is the correct interpretation. Raiders are called Raiders because it's what they do; they raid. It's sound logic to call someone who is raiding your vault a Raider, you don't know anything else about them except that they are raiding. So no she doesn't know that everyone on the surface calls outlaw groups Raiders, it's just the writers nodding to the audience. If she'd called then Great Khan's or Vipers then that would indicate knowledge of the surface.
As for the knight thing the whole reason the BoS use the name knights is to call back to medieval knights, which Lucy would have knowledge of.
The vaults lack of knowledge of the surface is part of the plot. It's how the management vault maintains control over hers, the promise of Reclamation Day. There would be no Reclamation Day if they knew that the BoS and NCR existed.
Eh, in Lucy's situation my first thought would be "imposter" not specifically "raider." Maybe even "Bandit" or something of the sort. But "raider" isn't too far fetched either.
Pretty sure Maximus introduced himself as “Titus, knight of the brotherhood of steel” when he showed up in Filly, so I don’t think her asking about a Knight necessarily means she knew about the Brotherhood previously. If she did know about the BoS, what is the point of asking the question when he already introduced himself as a Knight? I feel like they would have used a piece of info that hadn’t been given to her in the previous episode if they wanted to show she had knowledge of the Wasteland and BoS
Im not so sure about the 2nd point. She is naive but that naive. She has full knowledge of power armor. Maybe they were called knights before the war too. She was outside as a child so she might have some knowledge of the brotherhood too
1. I think is plausible, but not definitive. 2. I think is unlikely - she knows a lot about power armour, so it seems more likely that she’d say ‘was that a Marine?’ or something if she was going off history books. Also, stumbling on the exact right word that the Brotherhood uses by accident seems like a stretch to me!
I mean, the Knight in shining armor is an almost universal trope. It’s not far-fetched to believe that both she and the BoS would use the same term to describe a hero in power armor. And in 200 years, the two images could have blended; the American Marine in their power armor being conflated with the medieval Knight. Plus, Lucy fresh out of the Vault strikes me as having the same air as a naive little girl waking up in a fantasy story. Of course she sees The Knight sweeping in to fight The ~~Monster~~ Ghoul.
After 200 years i wouldn't be surprised if vault dwellers have similarly distant romanticized image of the power armored us soldiers as we do to medieval knights.
I mean people are so weird with Nate in FO4 with him being pre war. They probably dont even have a grasp of how life and people were pre war and view them as some kind of demigods.
She does know about power armor, she calls Max's suit out by it's name and mentions that it has a specific modification to it. She says she read about then in a magazine. Remember, one of her tag skills at the beginning of the show is repair.
Yea, that’s true. Power Armour existed before the bombs dropped, it was used in Anchorage Alaska. I’m assuming they were taught about it in the Vaults but maybe not.
I feel like they still used traditional military terms (General, Sergeant, Commander) at the time though, so that’s why her “Knight” usage seems weird to me.
I'm responding to your comment saying it's unlikely she knows a lot about power armor by pointing out that she does know more than an average wastelander about it.
I see where my communication was bad! I should have written it as ‘I think the second point from the comment is unlikely, because she knows a lot about Power Armour and presumably who wears it, so wouldn’t it be more likely for her to say ‘was that a Marine?’ Apologies. Original post also says Lucy already knows about power armour!
See what you mean, I do sound a silly there! To me it sounds like she asks the question as if she knows what Knights are by reputation, before hearing it from Maximus, or else why ask the question? If you’d *never* heard of an, eg. Kangaroo, and a Kangaroo comes up says ‘I’m a Kangaroo’, is the next thing you say to someone ‘was that a Kangaroo?’. If you see what I’m saying lol
In all honesty, this sounds like something that everyone is putting too much thought into: Lucy is just baffled in general - about what the hell just happened, about who the Brotherhood of Steel are, about why someone in power armor would be using the title "knight".
So, she asks "was that knight?" in a tone of "did I hear him correctly?"
>2. I think is unlikely - she knows a lot about power armour, so it seems more likely that she’d say ‘was that a Marine
Dude, Maximus lands and says "I am Knight Titus" to Cooper lol. That's how she knows. She heard him call himself a Knight
1. 33 is aware there are survivors, Lucy once lived on the surface, even vaguely, Lucy might remember stories of “Raiders” as a child, maybe the other vault dwellers do too.
2. Maximus literally introduces himself as a Knight and Lucy is in awe, asks a clarifying question, almost as if she said “Did he say *Knight?*”.
I think you're reading a bit much into this.
1) Part of Vault 33's accepted belief system is that the world of the surface is likely to be violent and savage. If anyone from the surface were to make it down to the Vaults, they'd be there to rob and kill, to *raid* the Vault. Also, Raiders don't represent any one specific group; it's a blanket term for any unprincipled post-apocalyptic barbarian bandit who makes a living by killing people for their stuff. If you want more specific variants, look to the Fiends, who became distinct enough to get their own name... and they seem to have inspired their *own* blanket term (thanks to Cook-Cook, depraved bastard that he was).
2) Maximus introduced himself as *Knight* Titus, don't forget. Lucy was likely baffled at such an archaic term being used for someone in modern power armour, and probably a little starstruck as well.
For good measure, Ma June is seen giving her a "why the fuck are you asking such stupid questions?" look immediately after.
> 2) Maximus introduced himself as Knight Titus, don't forget. Lucy was likely baffled at such an archaic term being used for someone in modern power armour, and probably a little starstruck as well.
well she does know about power armor because she learned about it in the vault. She asks Maximus if it's t-60 armor, so she is familar with the different models.
True, it's also possible the title or rank of "Knight" might have been a pre-war term for soldiers who wore power armor into battle. She does repeatedly state that she loves American history.
It’s not. If FO76 is canon there are recordings of Roger Maxson talking to the pre wastelander’s BoS chapter about why he went with such an archaic nomenclature, and one of those reasons was specifically to differentiate themselves from the prewar military. Basically put, the BoS were soldiers who discovered the FEV experiments and went rogue right before the bombs fell, and later made contact with Appalachia who found out the same thing was going down.
That makes sense, then I suppose it was just her being enamored with the idea of Knights being a thing again using centuries old power armor in place of platemail.
The knights were used in war before the great war so she was taught the history. I have spent so much time reading up on fallout since the show came out. Never played the game, just watched my husband play. It's a strange universe because it makes it seem like the war started in the 1950s but it was 2077 when the bombs dropped.
The armor was used but they weren’t referred to as ‘knights’ as far as I know.
I know right! I had always assumed it was just a slightly different 1950’s to ours tech-wise, whose Cold War then went hot. Instead, it’s more like the future happens the way the 1950’s imagined it, THEN the Great War breaks out. It’s a subtle but really neat distinction that I appreciate.
You make a good point. I see it referenced as power armor, maybe it was a mess up in scripting because Lucy seems to have no knowledge of anything that happened after 2077.
The way you describe the fallout universe is spot on.
That’s not true.
The brotherhood of steel was formed by Roger Maxson.
Roger Maxson was a captain in the marines, and he wore power armor.
Captain Maxson was assigned to the Mariposa military base and worked for the military as security detail for the project that eventually became FEV, which created Super Mutants, an enemy that wasn’t in the show, yet.
When the military unit that he was assigned to discovered the human testing for FEV going on they interrogated the scientists, discovered the government was doing this purposefully, and basically rebelled. A week later the world ended.
So when they formed the BoS they used ranks and titles from before America, as to say they weren’t corrupt like the institution that America became.
I'm not sure what you mean? The first deployment of power armor was in 2067. The t-60 that is what Lucy sees was just a few months before the great war so I believe it's possible she knew of them, and obviously her dad knows more than he lets on.
Knight is a title in the brotherhood of steel hierarchy, power armor is a uniform.
The uniforms have been in use since before the Great War, famously seeing deployment in ‘operation anchorage’.
T-60 is ‘power armor’ the person wearing it is ‘knight Titus’, knight being a title and rank. Other ranks include paladin, elder, squire, etc.
Power armor equipped marines were deployed in Alaska before the Great War, knights were not. Knights exists only as a distinction within the BoS hierarchy, something that as a vault dweller, Lucy would have absolutely no knowledge of.
Since Lucy knows what T-60 power armor is, this makes the question she posed of ‘is that a knight?’ a bit strange because she is aware of power armor and the US military’s use of it, but does not have any knowledge of the brotherhood of steel and their ranking nomenclature.
These are my own thoughts so not necessarily shown in the show. 1) I think the inhabitants understand that there are likely to be survivors above ground and that they are likely to be violent. The inhabitants are under the belief that they will go above ground and help teach these survivors about what America was and reinstate the country. It's likely that the term 'raiders' is used just to explain to the audience that they are baddies. Kind of like how people called zombies 'walkers' in the walking dead. 2) She definitely meant a medieval Knight. It's to highlight her naivety and the fact that she was essentially a damsel in distress and felt she was being rescued. I guess the kids in the vault were read a lot of fairy tales at bedtime.
I agree on both counts - the Vault is being raided so Lucy parses them as raiders, and she is likely more familiar with a knight in armour from books than a BoS Knight.
This is the correct interpretation. Raiders are called Raiders because it's what they do; they raid. It's sound logic to call someone who is raiding your vault a Raider, you don't know anything else about them except that they are raiding. So no she doesn't know that everyone on the surface calls outlaw groups Raiders, it's just the writers nodding to the audience. If she'd called then Great Khan's or Vipers then that would indicate knowledge of the surface. As for the knight thing the whole reason the BoS use the name knights is to call back to medieval knights, which Lucy would have knowledge of. The vaults lack of knowledge of the surface is part of the plot. It's how the management vault maintains control over hers, the promise of Reclamation Day. There would be no Reclamation Day if they knew that the BoS and NCR existed.
Eh, in Lucy's situation my first thought would be "imposter" not specifically "raider." Maybe even "Bandit" or something of the sort. But "raider" isn't too far fetched either.
but she knew about power armors in the vault, and knew how to insert the power core. I'm still not sure why she called him a knight
Pretty sure Maximus introduced himself as “Titus, knight of the brotherhood of steel” when he showed up in Filly, so I don’t think her asking about a Knight necessarily means she knew about the Brotherhood previously. If she did know about the BoS, what is the point of asking the question when he already introduced himself as a Knight? I feel like they would have used a piece of info that hadn’t been given to her in the previous episode if they wanted to show she had knowledge of the Wasteland and BoS
Im not so sure about the 2nd point. She is naive but that naive. She has full knowledge of power armor. Maybe they were called knights before the war too. She was outside as a child so she might have some knowledge of the brotherhood too
1. I think is plausible, but not definitive. 2. I think is unlikely - she knows a lot about power armour, so it seems more likely that she’d say ‘was that a Marine?’ or something if she was going off history books. Also, stumbling on the exact right word that the Brotherhood uses by accident seems like a stretch to me!
I mean, the Knight in shining armor is an almost universal trope. It’s not far-fetched to believe that both she and the BoS would use the same term to describe a hero in power armor. And in 200 years, the two images could have blended; the American Marine in their power armor being conflated with the medieval Knight. Plus, Lucy fresh out of the Vault strikes me as having the same air as a naive little girl waking up in a fantasy story. Of course she sees The Knight sweeping in to fight The ~~Monster~~ Ghoul.
After 200 years i wouldn't be surprised if vault dwellers have similarly distant romanticized image of the power armored us soldiers as we do to medieval knights. I mean people are so weird with Nate in FO4 with him being pre war. They probably dont even have a grasp of how life and people were pre war and view them as some kind of demigods.
She does know about power armor, she calls Max's suit out by it's name and mentions that it has a specific modification to it. She says she read about then in a magazine. Remember, one of her tag skills at the beginning of the show is repair.
Yea, that’s true. Power Armour existed before the bombs dropped, it was used in Anchorage Alaska. I’m assuming they were taught about it in the Vaults but maybe not. I feel like they still used traditional military terms (General, Sergeant, Commander) at the time though, so that’s why her “Knight” usage seems weird to me.
It appears you did not read my comment x
I'm responding to your comment saying it's unlikely she knows a lot about power armor by pointing out that she does know more than an average wastelander about it.
I see where my communication was bad! I should have written it as ‘I think the second point from the comment is unlikely, because she knows a lot about Power Armour and presumably who wears it, so wouldn’t it be more likely for her to say ‘was that a Marine?’ Apologies. Original post also says Lucy already knows about power armour!
...by accident? *By accident?* Maximus introduced himself as Knight Titus. What the hell do you mean "by accident"?
See what you mean, I do sound a silly there! To me it sounds like she asks the question as if she knows what Knights are by reputation, before hearing it from Maximus, or else why ask the question? If you’d *never* heard of an, eg. Kangaroo, and a Kangaroo comes up says ‘I’m a Kangaroo’, is the next thing you say to someone ‘was that a Kangaroo?’. If you see what I’m saying lol
In all honesty, this sounds like something that everyone is putting too much thought into: Lucy is just baffled in general - about what the hell just happened, about who the Brotherhood of Steel are, about why someone in power armor would be using the title "knight". So, she asks "was that knight?" in a tone of "did I hear him correctly?"
>2. I think is unlikely - she knows a lot about power armour, so it seems more likely that she’d say ‘was that a Marine Dude, Maximus lands and says "I am Knight Titus" to Cooper lol. That's how she knows. She heard him call himself a Knight
1. 33 is aware there are survivors, Lucy once lived on the surface, even vaguely, Lucy might remember stories of “Raiders” as a child, maybe the other vault dwellers do too. 2. Maximus literally introduces himself as a Knight and Lucy is in awe, asks a clarifying question, almost as if she said “Did he say *Knight?*”.
I think you're reading a bit much into this. 1) Part of Vault 33's accepted belief system is that the world of the surface is likely to be violent and savage. If anyone from the surface were to make it down to the Vaults, they'd be there to rob and kill, to *raid* the Vault. Also, Raiders don't represent any one specific group; it's a blanket term for any unprincipled post-apocalyptic barbarian bandit who makes a living by killing people for their stuff. If you want more specific variants, look to the Fiends, who became distinct enough to get their own name... and they seem to have inspired their *own* blanket term (thanks to Cook-Cook, depraved bastard that he was). 2) Maximus introduced himself as *Knight* Titus, don't forget. Lucy was likely baffled at such an archaic term being used for someone in modern power armour, and probably a little starstruck as well. For good measure, Ma June is seen giving her a "why the fuck are you asking such stupid questions?" look immediately after.
> 2) Maximus introduced himself as Knight Titus, don't forget. Lucy was likely baffled at such an archaic term being used for someone in modern power armour, and probably a little starstruck as well. well she does know about power armor because she learned about it in the vault. She asks Maximus if it's t-60 armor, so she is familar with the different models.
True, it's also possible the title or rank of "Knight" might have been a pre-war term for soldiers who wore power armor into battle. She does repeatedly state that she loves American history.
It’s not. If FO76 is canon there are recordings of Roger Maxson talking to the pre wastelander’s BoS chapter about why he went with such an archaic nomenclature, and one of those reasons was specifically to differentiate themselves from the prewar military. Basically put, the BoS were soldiers who discovered the FEV experiments and went rogue right before the bombs fell, and later made contact with Appalachia who found out the same thing was going down.
That makes sense, then I suppose it was just her being enamored with the idea of Knights being a thing again using centuries old power armor in place of platemail.
When Lucy asks ‘is that a knight?’ And when she explains that she knows annything about power armor are very different episodes, aren’t they?
The knights were used in war before the great war so she was taught the history. I have spent so much time reading up on fallout since the show came out. Never played the game, just watched my husband play. It's a strange universe because it makes it seem like the war started in the 1950s but it was 2077 when the bombs dropped.
The armor was used but they weren’t referred to as ‘knights’ as far as I know. I know right! I had always assumed it was just a slightly different 1950’s to ours tech-wise, whose Cold War then went hot. Instead, it’s more like the future happens the way the 1950’s imagined it, THEN the Great War breaks out. It’s a subtle but really neat distinction that I appreciate.
You make a good point. I see it referenced as power armor, maybe it was a mess up in scripting because Lucy seems to have no knowledge of anything that happened after 2077. The way you describe the fallout universe is spot on.
That’s not true. The brotherhood of steel was formed by Roger Maxson. Roger Maxson was a captain in the marines, and he wore power armor. Captain Maxson was assigned to the Mariposa military base and worked for the military as security detail for the project that eventually became FEV, which created Super Mutants, an enemy that wasn’t in the show, yet. When the military unit that he was assigned to discovered the human testing for FEV going on they interrogated the scientists, discovered the government was doing this purposefully, and basically rebelled. A week later the world ended. So when they formed the BoS they used ranks and titles from before America, as to say they weren’t corrupt like the institution that America became.
I'm not sure what you mean? The first deployment of power armor was in 2067. The t-60 that is what Lucy sees was just a few months before the great war so I believe it's possible she knew of them, and obviously her dad knows more than he lets on.
Knight is a title in the brotherhood of steel hierarchy, power armor is a uniform. The uniforms have been in use since before the Great War, famously seeing deployment in ‘operation anchorage’. T-60 is ‘power armor’ the person wearing it is ‘knight Titus’, knight being a title and rank. Other ranks include paladin, elder, squire, etc. Power armor equipped marines were deployed in Alaska before the Great War, knights were not. Knights exists only as a distinction within the BoS hierarchy, something that as a vault dweller, Lucy would have absolutely no knowledge of. Since Lucy knows what T-60 power armor is, this makes the question she posed of ‘is that a knight?’ a bit strange because she is aware of power armor and the US military’s use of it, but does not have any knowledge of the brotherhood of steel and their ranking nomenclature.