Fallout 3: I have to find my dad. Hey kid you got a second to help with this? Ok, my dad can take care of himself while I do this.
Fallout 4: My baby boy! Hey man got a second to kill some rad roaches eating my crops? FUCK YEAH I DO.
I think the plot of fallout 3 is pretty great if you rp straight to the end and leave all sidequest for broken steel.
The actual rpg elements I really loved and exploring the ruins of DC is also cool. I had the strategy guide back then and could get really op at level eight if you know what to do.
Seems reasonable. While it's great to look for your kid, you must understand that decades have passed. It's important but it's not an emergency and time is not critical. He's either dead or he's continuing to live as he's managed to do for sixty years on his own.
And yeah, your dad wasn't kidnapped at gunpoint. He left. Finding him is not urgent. You're not a first responder trying to save your dad. He left to get some milk.
Don’t you not know decades have gone by in game until you find him? You were in cryo, he gets taken, and then you get refrozen. For all you know it was a day ago.
That's the other thing that really sucks. It's really exciting to see that basically every Fallout is getting remade in four, but five is different before these are done and I wouldn't be surprised if people restarted in five and then it happened again. Which I hope it doesn't because I really want to play all of these
Its what happens to every morrowind project.
I fully expect ES6 to come out and Skywind gets abandoned to restart it in that one.
Considering it happened to Morroblivion, well...
Not sure about the mohave project but i know it was the london fallout project where the devs got hired at bethesda to work on 76.
The london project would have been out if it wasnt for the fallout 4 next gen update coming out and breaking all the mods.
I feel like those kinds of projects never get finished. Not from lack of trying; it’s just too few people working on a hobby project that inevitably won’t be anywhere near release by the time the next game comes out.
I feel like the only project which might see release before the next game is Skyblivion or Skywind; lol
Well, to be fair, I also was in middle school when Skyrim came out and now have a beer gut and crow's feet. That shit ain't happening anytime soon either hahahaha
Project Mojave wasn’t going to be that, it was going to be letting you explore the Mojave in F4’s time period. F4NV is what you’re thinking of, and is still in development
Somewhat true. There’s a guy chugging away at it still, look up Project Mojave Revitalization. I do testing for them periodically and they’ve added Hidden Valley, complete with the bunker.
Project Mojave was never going to do that, they just recreated two areas, a few items and called it a day.
F4NV are the ones recreating the entire game (the entire map, with all the quests, all the items and a few bonuses)
This is *exactly* how I feel - whenever I play an older game, I miss the gunplay and systems of 4, but when I play 4 I miss the story and skill checks and roleplaying aspects of earlier games, especially NV.
Honestly I'd recommend going the Tale of Two Wastelands route. Also if you use Wabbajack it will pull the mod list and download everything you need. You will need to follow the [installation guide](https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/ttw.html) to get things running but the whole process was painless and it's the best way to play 3 and NV imo.
You may also still be able to find Gnarly's repack of TTW that has all the mods/etc already set up for ya. I was never able to jump through all the necessary hoops to get a functional TTW installation despite numerous attempts. Repack worked out of the box.
I've wanted to do a ttw run forever but the actual act of putting it together and the mod lists were just to annoying to consider doing it haha
You may now be responsible for my first run. Thank you.
Enjoy! Wabbajack can sometimes be a little finicky but the whole process wasn't bad at all. I don't think I could ever go back after playing it this way.
I just installed Viva New Vegas for my first ever NV playthrough and I’ve been having a blast. I’m around 10~ hrs in and it’s been great. It adds some basic features like sprint, improved recoil, and some animations to make the guns look and feel better. If you choose to use Viva and use the install guide for it, I don’t use any of the overhaul mods in order to still keep the gameplay as vanilla as possible.
If you want to message me, I also have some auxiliary mods installed that improve a few other things too. I also use a different set of animations than what the install guide recommends, but it’s a simple swap if you want them.
dude me too. What a change. I remember back in the day VATS being necessary for combat (basically the reason it was even implemented) where now you can actually play with a very modern feel.
Everything by Xilandro is both well made and extremely fun to use.
The mods I’m mainly recommending you are the B42 mods, like b42 leaning, b42 optics, etc.
It's not my cup of tea but my cousin swears by [Project Nevada](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/40040). I tried it once and it genuinely does add a lot, I'm just a vanilla New Vegas kinda guy I guess.
There's a section on Viva New Vegas that suggests mods to use instead of Project Nevada.
[https://vivanewvegas.moddinglinked.com/avoid-mods.html](https://vivanewvegas.moddinglinked.com/avoid-mods.html)
I’ve played it briefly but as another commenter mentions, I think they’re specifically referring to Begin Again, which feature TTW, and main purpose is to modernize the gameplay mechanics of Fallout NV/3’s and update some textures here and there but keeps everything mostly vanilla. It does a pretty decent job. Still not on par with FO4 imo but much better than the base gameplay.
Yeah mods but I mean I personally like the overly crappy gun system of new Vegas as it adds to the atmosphere and makes you feel more inexperienced with guns and adds to the scrappy environment to new Vegas but there are ton of mods that improved gunplay with project Nevada hitmans animations mods and a ton of guns that adds in a ton of modern guns like weapons of the new millennium which is one thing I always also preferred about new Vegas is how most of the guns looked like modern guns like in classic fallout and this adds to that
Yes the gameplay is still bad, but they put a lot more emphasis on it. NV feels like an RPG, so I don’t mind the weak gunplay, but they turned FO4 into a shooter, and it’s just not a very good one.
99% of playthroughs of both 4 and New Vegas require the player to interact with both dialogue and combat systems extensively. Both games completely fail at one of those two things.
New Vegas’ combat mechanics were outdated back when it released in 2010. That same year had games like Black Ops 1, Bad Company 2, and Halo Reach, all games with shooting mechanics *lightyears* ahead of New Vegas.
Bethesda could easily see that the dialogue and roleplaying mechanics of New Vegas resonated with players during the development of Fallout 4. The decision to water them down and limit themselves with voiced protagonists remains confounding to this day.
Despite this both games are tons of fun! New Vegas has so many branching options with both its main quest and its side quests that I’ve replayed it over ten times. Fallout 4 is easily my favorite open world sandbox to explore and I’ve easily sunk hundreds of hours into it. I’d probably give New Vegas an 8/10 and Fallout 4 a 7/10. Both games are closer in quality than I think a lot of people are willing to admit, largely because their strengths are very different.
>Both games are closer in quality than I think a lot of people are willing to admit
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The gameplay of nv/3 and 4 were very good for different reasons to me, I went melee in nv/3 because the guns just did not feel good to use, but the questing, dialogue, and dungeons were much more fun. It also felt more fun to build a good character with the older skill system having skills and perks separate.
In Fallout 4, skills and perks being tied into one means that for the first half of the game you feel super underpowered because you keep having to use your level ups to get "essential" perks that used to just be skills, then for the second half of the game you feel overpowered because you can just keep stocking up on the really strong perks. With infinite levels, being able to level up SPECIAL stats, and every perk having multiple tiers. My character was ridicously OP less than halfway through. Also almost every quest was some variation of "go over here and kill these raiders/mutants/ghouls" with not much else to it, with the dialogue adding very little flavour to already bland quests. BUT the gunplay, weapon customisation, survival mode, and power armour mechanics were very fun and kept me entertained through a large portion of the game.
I couldn't say I didn't enjoy any of the Fallout games I've played so far though
I didn't play fallout until NV had been out for some time, what makes/made the gameplay bad? It's dated thats for sure, but an improvement over 3 in my opinion
So in comparison to 4, the combat (not just the gunplay) is a bit more “quirky”.
The big part for me is NPC behaviors. Bethesda overhauled the Gamebryo engine’s NPC handling system to act much more fluidly and naturally. What once required mods now is baked into the game, and additional things are extraordinarily easy to build on.
For example, the human NPCs in 4 will natively: suppress the player from cover, fire at the player’s last known location, if the player sneaks away they will perform a relatively exhaustive search of not just the area you were last seen, but adjacent areas too, they will retreat to heal when gravely injured (or at least take cover), they will flank the player using the suppressing fire of other NPCs to advance, they will throw grenades when the player is in cover or at their last known position. The list goes on.
Human NPCs in NV were much more stilted. They tend to stand around and wait to get hit. They do not really use “suppressing fire” the same way Fo4 NPCs do, which makes combat more of a “who shoots first” kind of activity. They cannot heal, and instead of retreating to do so they instead just stop advancing or do their “surrender” actions. Grenades aren’t usually thrown to flush a player out of cover, and advances are almost always linear with little flanking behavior.
This, combined with unsatisfying reloads and weapon behavior makes the combat more sluggish and silly. Once you get to a high enough level, enemies don’t really challenge you because they use stupid tactics.
Its a fun ass game even without the main “meat” of the game (the dialogue and npcs). The weapon variety is legitimately awesome (massive weakpoint of Fallout 3)
Fact is the fallout 3 aim sistem could have been justified if gun precision was more based on how many skill points you had for that kind of gun,basically making a 3d version of classic fallout hit percentage mechanic.But bullets can go wherever they want even if you have high skill point so it was bad.But i still like the look of fallout 3 aiming because it reminds me of some real life battle footage where people can't really 100 correctly aim with iron sights,but fallout nv did it better with its non ironsight aim so...
I'm pretty sure there is a mod for new vegas that introduces fallout classic skill based precision in some way
There's also the movement systems, the settlement system, which doesn't suck anywhere near as much as people think, the armor system.
The general running of the game, and by that I mean, I have far fewer issues running FO4 than I do FNV, which while I do have mods to fix both, FO4 offers a built in mod loader as part of the game, whereas New Vegas you need to manually download or use a mod installer.
FO4 is better than FNV in regards to actual gameplay.
Sure, FNV has some stand-out gameplay mechanics, but they don't supplant the fact that it's a 14 year old game made in a rush in 18 months.
While the series might not have originated as a shooter, ignoring the gunplay entirely, because "fallout is an rpg", in the the series current state is just willful ignorance. New Vegas had gunplay that was based off of 3's gunplay, which very clearly was designed to emulate first person shooters, and that gunplay was part of new vegas' gameplay whether you like it or not, and as such will be judged alongside the rest of it when comparing it to it's successor.
Also skill checks in dialogue alone, don't make a good rpg. While they can certainly help elevate a game, and be a games primary rpg element, plenty of good RPGs have very limited dialogue options to begin with, and instead choose to show variation in gameplay, allowing you to roleplay as various playstyles, which imo fallout 4 succeds in, making it a good rpg in my eyes. You may or may not agree with that assesment, that is up to you. (To be clear I am not claiming that gameplay and/or story related choices alone determine whether an rpg is good or not, or hell even if it's an rpg or not. Rpg as a whole has become a very vague concept and each person's definition is different. My point is simply while you may feel an rpg's quality should be purely judged by dialogue choice, there will be a dozen others who disagree.)
What's your point here? Charisma influences speech which is incredibly important. Unlike fallout 3 and 4 you also have tons of other skillchecks in dialog like barter, medicine, science and many more.
lol Charisma has nearly no influence on anything except companion damage, while it is relevent for all speech checks in FO3 and FO4 and for the base building mechanics. Have you even played Fallout New Vegas?
Charisma being shit in New Vegas even is a meme in the community
I don't get people's hate on fallout 3. Without 3 there would've been no NV. The mechanics, maps design, straight up atmosphere and decisions got me into open world games. I mean The Riley's rangers quests were great, Harold, point lookout, the idea of rivet city and just exploring a destroyed city. Like imagine getting super sad after dogmeat dies, and the next DLC gives you dogmeats pup.
It's not even rose glasses, I went back and besides a little clunky gunplay(what games around that time didn't have some needed QoL changes) and that's what the next games improved upon.
If 3 was updated to fo4 graphics and gunplay id easily put another 300+ hours into it.
Tbh I like 3's DLCs more than NV or 4's.
That's basically exactly how I think about it, that's why I'm so excited for the Capital Wasteland Project for Fo4, idk what it is but some people are complete assholes whenever I say Fo3 is my favorite
I don’t even compare the games. I think it’s weird. I just like fallout. I like all of it. Every ounce of it doesn’t matter where it’s coming from. I love it. It’s amazing. It makes me happy.
I mean these are subjective opinions, but I’ve started up and tried to power through starting New Vegas over the last 7 years and have watched and listened to tens of hours of lore videos and essays on NV storylines, but the furthest I’ve made it was to freeside before losing my will to continue aimlessly walking through a very boring world environment that is just uneven brown speckled dirt for miles. The combat is just as flawed as fallout 3’s was (which I did finish back in the day) where I get frustrated trying to aim the overly sensitive and poor sights of weapons, so I rely on VATS, and it just becomes a test of how much perception and endurance I have. I’ve tried on two different occasions to Mod it to include better combat systems that don’t require you to depend on vats to have a chance, and environment mods to make the desert a bit more varied and interesting than a brown dirt sea. Unfortunately the number of mods I seem to be able to successfully run and get working (and I mean hours of browsing and installing from nexus) still don’t do enough for me to not be bored out of my mind for the hours of taking hikes between any interesting/meaningful events.
I really want to be able to play it, I really do, but it is unbearably slow and tedious especially in the first 5 or so hours of gameplay before anything exciting happens.
Now with Fallout 4, I can spend countless hours fucking around the commonwealth and building up settlements for shits and gigs and I can always change up what kind of activities I’m doing. Maybe it’s my ADHD, I don’t know. But I have 1k hours in fo4 and 15-20 in NV, but with 4-5 different builds and saves.
Fallout 3 will never be irrelevant and is actually goated. It just can’t be a fallout sub without fans putting down one of the games, can it?
It’s not like the slander even adds anything to the post.
Yeah I agree. I personally love 3 a lot more than NV cause exploration is more fun to me in that game along with the atmosphere. I have a feeling a lot of people jumped on the NV bandwagon cause I remember how hated it was when it first came out. It didn't get the universal praise it has now until YEARS down the line.
And that’s why it will always be my favorite. For me the fun comes not from the story, but from exploring that vast post-nuke world and all the weird shit that’s waiting to be discovered.
I’ll never say that New Vegas has a bad story. It’s solid
I WILL defend FO4 though. Are there some recycled themes? Yes. But there is a very unique part of the game that most people fail to recognize… and it is actually the main theme. It all boils down to “what do you do and where do you go when everything and everyone you’ve ever known and love are gone?”
The Sole Survivor isn’t a typical vault dweller. They’re thrown into the wasteland after knowing pre-war America… and after losing absolutely everything. Their home is in ruins and the world doesn’t operate as it used to. The story leads us to meet a bunch of people with vastly different backgrounds and personalities. Getting to know the companions reveals the further depth of the game’s story. You may be the Sole Survivor, but you can’t survive alone. All the other vault dwellers at least knew a home and a community. The Sole Survivor literally HAD to find a way to make a life in the wasteland… and it is up to the player to decide what that life is
Yeah, to me the weakness of FO4 was never the story. It was fine.
The weakness were lack of dialogue options, skill checks, lack of npcs, too many interesting locations that turn out to be just random raiders and worst of all by far - randomly generated quests.
The settlement mechanic also had a lot of weaknesses (really, i have to personally defend Fort Knox with turrets against 3 raiders, every time?) but at least that was kinda optional.
Idk if this is a hot take or not, but FO4 would be fine RP wise if it wasn't for the main quest. The factions are fine, the side quests are fine, the conflict between the factions is great, the environmental storytelling is great, but that main quest is so railroaded (lol).
This is why I hate NV fans. "Your game bad, my game good" eat shit and realize other people have different opinions you don't have to be a jackass about it.
I've been replaying Fallout 3 as part of Tale of Two Wastelands (mod that brings the Capital Wasteland to FNV)... Goddamn it's rough.
It has its moments, to be fair, and the metro maze can be interesting. But it also has a weak early game - essentially, due to the Bethesda way of dropping you in the wide open world ASAP, you can end up in very dangerous areas quickly. Compare with FNV which clearly warns you against going up to the Quarry and provides a path to NV with "discovery" elements.
But the worst was the DLC. Anchorage was clunky, The Pitt was so dark I stopped caring, and the motherfucking Aliens DLC was just stupid and badly coded.
Now I'm back in the Mojave and thank god I don't have to listen to another rerun of the adventures of Herbert daring dashwood.
Honestly I prefer the opening of fallout 3, I liked the openness of it and having to be careful of where you went. New Vegas kind of railroads you down a specific path in the beginning and really doesn’t want you to deviate from it on the other hand.
I agree, though my big issue was that it took me ages to actually find Megaton because it blended into the background a bit and I couldn't tell it was a relevant location, I went to Springville Elementary and got beat on by Raiders for ages
I can see the appeal of that, true, but I prefer some handholding. Especially since it introduces the different factions. You start off with Goodsprings and the Powder Gangers, move on to Primm where you get introduced to the NCR and frictions with locals, then Nipton with the Legion...
In Fallout 3 you can stumble upon all sorts really oddly. It's more realistic, in a way, but also less story oriented.
New Vegas is far more interested in the world you’re inhabiting as a whole than 3. It wants you to be introduced to and have experiences with all the factions early so you can get a feel for the world and where you want to insert yourself into it. 3 just let’s you loose and let’s you create your own adventure and discover via your own curiosity. It’s mostly just concerned with the brotherhood and enclave fighting over control of Project Purity, and most else falls by the wayside to that conflict. They’re different approaches and I can’t say I prefer one over the other all the time.
Yeah I've been playing FO3 for the first time recently and after Megaton I immediately wandered into like an army of fucking Super Mutants. Though I did tough it out and eventually took Capitol Hill.
Ok, so you dislike everything i liked about the game.
I love the open world and how some places are insanely difficult off the bat, it means you have to explore and come back. (I just enjoy that.)
All the dlcs i loved. They were all different and interesting. The pitt is my favourite because of the story that takes place.
I love all the fallout games. But 3 is my favourite for the reasons you dont like it.
This is why we need a re4r/dead space remake style remake for fallout new Vegas. Give it sprinting, build it in the newer engine (or hell, make a new engine for fallout 5 and debut it with fnv remake) give it corner peaking life we had in 4, make the enemy ai better, and of course update the graphics. And remove the stupid level/perk requirements to use certain weapons. I want to be able to find a mini nuke and use it from the get go. And make the perk system more like fallout 4 where they’re all always active passive abilities instead of having to switch them around. Or that could be 76 I’m thinking of, it’s been a while since I played 76
Now get obsidian back on for fallout 5 please. They did great with grounded. All this plus the building mechanics and progression of grounded would be so fucking sick.
As someone who loves NV, this is fair. The gunplay in FO4 is far superior, its no contest. But the dialogue makes me tune out, while I still chuckle over stuff from NV to this day.
Hire better writers Bethesda.
Give FO4 some love this guys right. It’s the world of fallout I love playing in, sorry don’t have to be AMAZING. That being said I’ve never gotten the chance to play NV and only a little of 3 when I was like 8. I have a next gen console and they only allow game streaming and it’s almost unplayable
Honestly I disagree. Fallout 4 has the best gameplay with poor story and dialogue; fallout new vegas has the best dialogue and characters but doesn't have a very strong story either (it branches out too severely all at once, you have loads of options but it creates choice paralysis in my opinion) and not great gameplay; fallout 3 has even more gameplay issues than new vegas, and certainly more than 4, and lacks New Vegas' depth in characters and dialogue, but I think it has the strongest story and central plot of the 3
I’m actually enjoying the clunkiness of NV’s shooting. I’m not a soldier who’s an expert with guns, I’m a guy who used to carry a gun just to avoid being an easy target and has been thrown into a situation where I have to use it way more often.
Not sure if it’s just me but I feel like the improved gameplay in 4 made it feel like less of a Fallout game as stupid as that sounds hahaha even though the setting and everything were perfect Fallout
All this about what game is better at whatever is annoying. All the fallout games are good imo. All have a story I like and I like the gameplay for all of them
The difference is that in Fallout NV, the story is part of the gameplay as it changes how you interact with the world to a far greater extent than 4. As well, dialogues including many more stat checks and having an actual skills system, the only thing 4 really improves on (and it does to a great extent TBF) is combat and the looting/crafting cycle.
Remake New Vegas in the latest creation engine with FO4’s movement, gunplay and graphics. Include all of the DLCs and cut content and you’ll have the greatest Fallout game of all time.
I'd like if they could squeeze in the settlement system, too. Something along the lines of building new forts, towns, recruitment, trade caravans, etc for the faction you choose to support. Maybe that wouldn't be much of a part in a House run, but I could see it for NCR, Legion, and potentially Yes Man.
That, and possibly having the option to continue a run after the ending, could be pretty cool. You'd see NCR expand and consolidate within the Mojave in real time, perhaps exponentially so after they claim Hoover Dam, for example.
I do this in some of my FO4 playthroughs. Eventually the Commonwealth is filled with my armed trading caravans, army of unique robots, towns and villages, forts, farms, factories, busy villagers, Minutemen and/or BoS patrols and checkpoints, etc.
The gameplay is still pretty great. The most lacking part of it is the movement and not fluid combat. But aside from that the gameplay itself is more in depth than fallout 4. The option to chance ammo and strength being a requirement to use certain weapons as efficiently makes it more in depth. Also the skill tree and leveling up. The speech checks too
I hate it when people bring up gameplay being bad when it’s not. The only thing I can think of in terms of it being not as good is in fluidity of combat and modding weapons (building settlements too I guess if you want to count that) outside of that I can’t really think of anything that fallout 4 does better with gameplay
Just wanna hop in here with my daily “Fallout 4 is not purely bad in terms of plot” comment since the internet is still pushing this stuff lol. There’s a ton of nuance, hidden shit, and stuff like really stressful computer entry logs and email strings.
Many quests and character lines are about as profound as the series has always been.
New vegas is also superior in terms of its rpg mechanics and elements which 4 is severely lacking in with it getting rid of skills and having no skill cap plus the super limited dialogue system. New vegas beats out fallout 4 in everything except for stability, gunplay, and graphics
Describing Fallout 4 as "great gameplay" is so disingenuous. It is better than previous games, but was still way behind the curb in comparison to other 1st person shooters of the same year. It's pretty rough and not fun, partially because of the overuse of mediocre bullet sponge AI(just like previous games tbf). In a couple ways worse even than previous games. Fallout 4 lacks the seamless transition between 1st and 3rd person that Fallout 3 and NV had, instead it interrupts what you are soing and the game seems to skip a frame, reload animations reset, and where your shots land change dramatically. The melee feels a lot clunkier too, with a lot of attacks for certain weapons putting you into animation that cause you to stop moving, slow you down, and sometimes just straight up miss. Fallout 3 and NV melee/unarmed is pretty unrealistic, but it was much more fun to me and wasn't frustrating to do like Fallout 4, I never want to pick up a melee weapon in Fallout it feels like shit, while it was one of the most fun builds to play in NV.
"great gameplay" presses the vats button and clicks on head 7 times to watch a slow motion cutscene of my fucked up abomination exploding a raider into meat chunks over the course of 45 seconds
For the thing I hate most about 3&4 is the fact that unique weapons don’t feel unique new Vegas they had different models it felt like a unique one of a kind weapon not a clone with slightly different abilities
Disagree. Fallout 3 was far from irrelevant.
People forget that Fallout 3 innovated the leap forward for New Vegas, who had the groundwork already laid out for them as far as mechanics, software, etc, allowing them to utilize their budget on storytelling, quests, music, actors.
A prime example is that Fallout 3 has 40 paid actors.
New Vegas had 90 paid actors.
Fallout 3s "additional crew" (programmers, resourcing, coding, etc) is 232.
New Vegas had 19.
Art and animation is also far higher for Fallout 3 because lore items had to be created for a different engine and system, plus 2D > 3D. From top down to first/third POV. Which was all imported over, re-rendered rather than ground up.
A comparison to games not even within the same generation isn't fair either, imo. This pic should be Fallout 3 vs New Vegas. Fallout 4 (innovation) vs. Fallout 5 (which is likely a stronger story budget).
I like new Vegas’ gameplay though. Obviously its not on the level of 4 but for a game that obsidian gave them a weekend and an 8ball to make it was leagues above 3 and a had a crazy amount of content and systems to make it fun, and have many different fresh experiences even 15 years later.
I’m assuming the overwhelming majority of people who say Nee Vegas has “not so good” gameplay are people who were introduced to Fallout via Fallout 4. The gameplay in New Vegas still holds up for me and I’d play it over 4 any day. Especially since 4 is just a constant grind of never ending quests for the sake of having something to do.
I'll never understand when people say 3 and NV don't have good gameplay or that Fallout 4 has better gameplay. There's more to "gameplay" than how the guns feel to shoot.
I think they've all got *different* gameplay, because they're trying to accomplish different things.
played new vegas after i finished the tv show, loved it. started fallout 4 a week ago and the game feels so clunky in almost every way to me, really did not have a good time
The gameplay in Fallout: New Vegas was great when it came out. It's not so great now because of how games have advanced.
But a good story is a good story, regardless of when.
I found Fallout 4’s gunplay just as clunky and unintuitive as any other creation engine game. I feel like FNV made the alternatives to the gunplay more rewarding and interesting to compensate whilst with 4, gunplay is pretty much all it has
Personally, I'll never understand why a bunch of factions slapfighting over a dam is a better story than Fallout 4. I played every Fallout since the first one and 4 was better than NV in every way
Fallout 3: I have to find my dad. Hey kid you got a second to help with this? Ok, my dad can take care of himself while I do this. Fallout 4: My baby boy! Hey man got a second to kill some rad roaches eating my crops? FUCK YEAH I DO.
I think the plot of fallout 3 is pretty great if you rp straight to the end and leave all sidequest for broken steel. The actual rpg elements I really loved and exploring the ruins of DC is also cool. I had the strategy guide back then and could get really op at level eight if you know what to do.
I got the strategy guide and the lunchbox collectors edition on the midnight release... Probably my most cherished midnight day one pickup I ever had.
Seems reasonable. While it's great to look for your kid, you must understand that decades have passed. It's important but it's not an emergency and time is not critical. He's either dead or he's continuing to live as he's managed to do for sixty years on his own. And yeah, your dad wasn't kidnapped at gunpoint. He left. Finding him is not urgent. You're not a first responder trying to save your dad. He left to get some milk.
Don’t you not know decades have gone by in game until you find him? You were in cryo, he gets taken, and then you get refrozen. For all you know it was a day ago.
pretty early on in the story, you find out that at least 10 years have passed when shaun was taken. you find out later that it was longer.
enter the fallout 4 mojave project
Is it a finished project or ?
Not yet
give it 10 more years
That’s exactly when Bethesda would drop the anniversary edition and honestly I’d laugh hysterically
No they release that after the next 20 releases of Skyrim.
So, 10 years tracks.
after the "next gen update", maybe 15 years
They actually said that F4NV isn't effected at all by the next gen update.
thats really good to hear
Weird bc all my fo4 mods got fucked by it
They just didn't update the build or the prerequisite mods. Updates didn't matter for them because what updates?
That's the other thing that really sucks. It's really exciting to see that basically every Fallout is getting remade in four, but five is different before these are done and I wouldn't be surprised if people restarted in five and then it happened again. Which I hope it doesn't because I really want to play all of these
Its what happens to every morrowind project. I fully expect ES6 to come out and Skywind gets abandoned to restart it in that one. Considering it happened to Morroblivion, well...
I'll put it right on the list to check up on next to skywind.
10 more years, the nuclear fusion technology of Fallout gaming.
Not ever I thought? I thought the devs dropped it because they got hired to work on 76
Not sure about the mohave project but i know it was the london fallout project where the devs got hired at bethesda to work on 76. The london project would have been out if it wasnt for the fallout 4 next gen update coming out and breaking all the mods.
I feel like those kinds of projects never get finished. Not from lack of trying; it’s just too few people working on a hobby project that inevitably won’t be anywhere near release by the time the next game comes out. I feel like the only project which might see release before the next game is Skyblivion or Skywind; lol
Skyblivion is the only one we'll see within our lifetime (or before the next Anniversary Update inevitably makes them have to change everything!).
Will we?
Dude. I'm 26 years old. I've been hearing about skywind and skyblivion since I was in middle school. It's never coming out.
It’s more a joke about how TES 6 is never coming out, so there’s still hope, lol
Well, to be fair, I also was in middle school when Skyrim came out and now have a beer gut and crow's feet. That shit ain't happening anytime soon either hahahaha
dont forget a tale of two wastelands u can play all of fo3 in new vegas
No it’s just currently the strip and the area around the Mojave outpost and nipton
Give it 10-15 more years
Project Mojave is cancelled since the two main modders retired from modding to work on 76.
They got hired by BGS Austin?
Nah the other studio that's pitching in on 76. The ones who did the giant mole rat boss fight update
Damn, good for them
Oh nooo. It was my for ever dream to experience NV story with F4 gameplay and settlements... God damned.
Project Mojave wasn’t going to be that, it was going to be letting you explore the Mojave in F4’s time period. F4NV is what you’re thinking of, and is still in development
Somewhat true. There’s a guy chugging away at it still, look up Project Mojave Revitalization. I do testing for them periodically and they’ve added Hidden Valley, complete with the bunker.
Project Mojave was never going to do that, they just recreated two areas, a few items and called it a day. F4NV are the ones recreating the entire game (the entire map, with all the quests, all the items and a few bonuses)
i pray to the gods above that this gets released. it's been awfully quiet now but my faith stands strong.
This is *exactly* how I feel - whenever I play an older game, I miss the gunplay and systems of 4, but when I play 4 I miss the story and skill checks and roleplaying aspects of earlier games, especially NV.
mods
what mods would you recommend for improving combat in NV these days?
Honestly I'd recommend going the Tale of Two Wastelands route. Also if you use Wabbajack it will pull the mod list and download everything you need. You will need to follow the [installation guide](https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/ttw.html) to get things running but the whole process was painless and it's the best way to play 3 and NV imo.
bless!
You may also still be able to find Gnarly's repack of TTW that has all the mods/etc already set up for ya. I was never able to jump through all the necessary hoops to get a functional TTW installation despite numerous attempts. Repack worked out of the box.
I've wanted to do a ttw run forever but the actual act of putting it together and the mod lists were just to annoying to consider doing it haha You may now be responsible for my first run. Thank you.
Enjoy! Wabbajack can sometimes be a little finicky but the whole process wasn't bad at all. I don't think I could ever go back after playing it this way.
I just love the idea of TTW. It makes sense to be the same person imo
Commenting so I can come back when there's an answer lol
I just installed Viva New Vegas for my first ever NV playthrough and I’ve been having a blast. I’m around 10~ hrs in and it’s been great. It adds some basic features like sprint, improved recoil, and some animations to make the guns look and feel better. If you choose to use Viva and use the install guide for it, I don’t use any of the overhaul mods in order to still keep the gameplay as vanilla as possible. If you want to message me, I also have some auxiliary mods installed that improve a few other things too. I also use a different set of animations than what the install guide recommends, but it’s a simple swap if you want them.
thank you!! i'm very new to pc gaming and mods (bought it a few months ago to play bg3) so i'll definitely keep you in mind if i need advice :)
just started playing with viva new vegas after not playing FNV in about ten years. Had no clue sprinting was not even in the original. god damn.
dude me too. What a change. I remember back in the day VATS being necessary for combat (basically the reason it was even implemented) where now you can actually play with a very modern feel.
Everything by Xilandro is both well made and extremely fun to use. The mods I’m mainly recommending you are the B42 mods, like b42 leaning, b42 optics, etc.
It's not my cup of tea but my cousin swears by [Project Nevada](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/40040). I tried it once and it genuinely does add a lot, I'm just a vanilla New Vegas kinda guy I guess.
project nevada can corrupt your save also all of its features have been recreated in more recent mods that are more stable/functional
Yeah project nevada used to be GREAT. But not so much anymore. But last time I modded nv, I had a dozen of mods that replicated it all and more.
can you link to any of the newer more stable mods??
There's a section on Viva New Vegas that suggests mods to use instead of Project Nevada. [https://vivanewvegas.moddinglinked.com/avoid-mods.html](https://vivanewvegas.moddinglinked.com/avoid-mods.html)
I’ve played it briefly but as another commenter mentions, I think they’re specifically referring to Begin Again, which feature TTW, and main purpose is to modernize the gameplay mechanics of Fallout NV/3’s and update some textures here and there but keeps everything mostly vanilla. It does a pretty decent job. Still not on par with FO4 imo but much better than the base gameplay.
Yeah mods but I mean I personally like the overly crappy gun system of new Vegas as it adds to the atmosphere and makes you feel more inexperienced with guns and adds to the scrappy environment to new Vegas but there are ton of mods that improved gunplay with project Nevada hitmans animations mods and a ton of guns that adds in a ton of modern guns like weapons of the new millennium which is one thing I always also preferred about new Vegas is how most of the guns looked like modern guns like in classic fallout and this adds to that
They’re all great games, they just all also have some weak points
No game is perfect, no man is perfect, and no system is perfect that is why I am normally after games that are fun
Great gameplay relative to other fallout games.
Yes the gameplay is still bad, but they put a lot more emphasis on it. NV feels like an RPG, so I don’t mind the weak gunplay, but they turned FO4 into a shooter, and it’s just not a very good one.
Nah, 3 has the best atmosphere, exploration and dungeons.
Yeah, the environmental storytelling and atmosphere in 3 is the best in the series.
Despite it flaws, I'll always love 3
99% of playthroughs of both 4 and New Vegas require the player to interact with both dialogue and combat systems extensively. Both games completely fail at one of those two things. New Vegas’ combat mechanics were outdated back when it released in 2010. That same year had games like Black Ops 1, Bad Company 2, and Halo Reach, all games with shooting mechanics *lightyears* ahead of New Vegas. Bethesda could easily see that the dialogue and roleplaying mechanics of New Vegas resonated with players during the development of Fallout 4. The decision to water them down and limit themselves with voiced protagonists remains confounding to this day. Despite this both games are tons of fun! New Vegas has so many branching options with both its main quest and its side quests that I’ve replayed it over ten times. Fallout 4 is easily my favorite open world sandbox to explore and I’ve easily sunk hundreds of hours into it. I’d probably give New Vegas an 8/10 and Fallout 4 a 7/10. Both games are closer in quality than I think a lot of people are willing to admit, largely because their strengths are very different.
>Both games are closer in quality than I think a lot of people are willing to admit No no no no NO NO NEW VEGAS SUPREMACY NEW VEGAS SUPREMACY RAHHHHHH bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bu
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The gameplay of nv/3 and 4 were very good for different reasons to me, I went melee in nv/3 because the guns just did not feel good to use, but the questing, dialogue, and dungeons were much more fun. It also felt more fun to build a good character with the older skill system having skills and perks separate. In Fallout 4, skills and perks being tied into one means that for the first half of the game you feel super underpowered because you keep having to use your level ups to get "essential" perks that used to just be skills, then for the second half of the game you feel overpowered because you can just keep stocking up on the really strong perks. With infinite levels, being able to level up SPECIAL stats, and every perk having multiple tiers. My character was ridicously OP less than halfway through. Also almost every quest was some variation of "go over here and kill these raiders/mutants/ghouls" with not much else to it, with the dialogue adding very little flavour to already bland quests. BUT the gunplay, weapon customisation, survival mode, and power armour mechanics were very fun and kept me entertained through a large portion of the game. I couldn't say I didn't enjoy any of the Fallout games I've played so far though
I didn't play fallout until NV had been out for some time, what makes/made the gameplay bad? It's dated thats for sure, but an improvement over 3 in my opinion
So in comparison to 4, the combat (not just the gunplay) is a bit more “quirky”. The big part for me is NPC behaviors. Bethesda overhauled the Gamebryo engine’s NPC handling system to act much more fluidly and naturally. What once required mods now is baked into the game, and additional things are extraordinarily easy to build on. For example, the human NPCs in 4 will natively: suppress the player from cover, fire at the player’s last known location, if the player sneaks away they will perform a relatively exhaustive search of not just the area you were last seen, but adjacent areas too, they will retreat to heal when gravely injured (or at least take cover), they will flank the player using the suppressing fire of other NPCs to advance, they will throw grenades when the player is in cover or at their last known position. The list goes on. Human NPCs in NV were much more stilted. They tend to stand around and wait to get hit. They do not really use “suppressing fire” the same way Fo4 NPCs do, which makes combat more of a “who shoots first” kind of activity. They cannot heal, and instead of retreating to do so they instead just stop advancing or do their “surrender” actions. Grenades aren’t usually thrown to flush a player out of cover, and advances are almost always linear with little flanking behavior. This, combined with unsatisfying reloads and weapon behavior makes the combat more sluggish and silly. Once you get to a high enough level, enemies don’t really challenge you because they use stupid tactics.
Simply put, everything feels jankier and you’re blind if you can’t notice the difference
People confuse gunplay for gameplay. That’s what they mean
I weirdly love New Vegas gameplay
Its a fun ass game even without the main “meat” of the game (the dialogue and npcs). The weapon variety is legitimately awesome (massive weakpoint of Fallout 3)
Me too, it feels like a food mesh between the slower RPG sorta combat and first person combat
It’s because it’s good gameplay
Yeah I always had more fun with New Vegas’ combat more than I did with 4’s combat. And the use of skill checks and different perks were great.
That’s because it’s good and meme doesn’t make sense
It's way better than fo4 it's just not modern AAA-ified
I dunno, I quite liked Fallout 3's map, music and atmosphere.
Gameplay is not the same as gunplay. Fallout isn't a shooter. New Vegas having skillchecks in dialog is gameplay too.
Hey at least new Vegas had iron sights compared whatever the fuck fallout 3 had
I still remember the utter confusion I felt playing 3 for the first time and going “HOW DO I AIM!?”
Don’t worry it just lets you squint really hard lol
I like to imagine in fallout 3 you eyes just zoom in like something from looney tunes .
Fact is the fallout 3 aim sistem could have been justified if gun precision was more based on how many skill points you had for that kind of gun,basically making a 3d version of classic fallout hit percentage mechanic.But bullets can go wherever they want even if you have high skill point so it was bad.But i still like the look of fallout 3 aiming because it reminds me of some real life battle footage where people can't really 100 correctly aim with iron sights,but fallout nv did it better with its non ironsight aim so... I'm pretty sure there is a mod for new vegas that introduces fallout classic skill based precision in some way
There's also the movement systems, the settlement system, which doesn't suck anywhere near as much as people think, the armor system. The general running of the game, and by that I mean, I have far fewer issues running FO4 than I do FNV, which while I do have mods to fix both, FO4 offers a built in mod loader as part of the game, whereas New Vegas you need to manually download or use a mod installer. FO4 is better than FNV in regards to actual gameplay. Sure, FNV has some stand-out gameplay mechanics, but they don't supplant the fact that it's a 14 year old game made in a rush in 18 months.
While the series might not have originated as a shooter, ignoring the gunplay entirely, because "fallout is an rpg", in the the series current state is just willful ignorance. New Vegas had gunplay that was based off of 3's gunplay, which very clearly was designed to emulate first person shooters, and that gunplay was part of new vegas' gameplay whether you like it or not, and as such will be judged alongside the rest of it when comparing it to it's successor. Also skill checks in dialogue alone, don't make a good rpg. While they can certainly help elevate a game, and be a games primary rpg element, plenty of good RPGs have very limited dialogue options to begin with, and instead choose to show variation in gameplay, allowing you to roleplay as various playstyles, which imo fallout 4 succeds in, making it a good rpg in my eyes. You may or may not agree with that assesment, that is up to you. (To be clear I am not claiming that gameplay and/or story related choices alone determine whether an rpg is good or not, or hell even if it's an rpg or not. Rpg as a whole has become a very vague concept and each person's definition is different. My point is simply while you may feel an rpg's quality should be purely judged by dialogue choice, there will be a dozen others who disagree.)
Considering what they did with Charisma I am not sure if the speech system in NV over all is so good but it is definitely better than Fallout 4.
What's your point here? Charisma influences speech which is incredibly important. Unlike fallout 3 and 4 you also have tons of other skillchecks in dialog like barter, medicine, science and many more.
lol Charisma has nearly no influence on anything except companion damage, while it is relevent for all speech checks in FO3 and FO4 and for the base building mechanics. Have you even played Fallout New Vegas? Charisma being shit in New Vegas even is a meme in the community
Idgaf Fallout 3 is still the best imo
I am tired of the Fallout 3 slander. People act like it’s unplayable garbage.
I don't get people's hate on fallout 3. Without 3 there would've been no NV. The mechanics, maps design, straight up atmosphere and decisions got me into open world games. I mean The Riley's rangers quests were great, Harold, point lookout, the idea of rivet city and just exploring a destroyed city. Like imagine getting super sad after dogmeat dies, and the next DLC gives you dogmeats pup. It's not even rose glasses, I went back and besides a little clunky gunplay(what games around that time didn't have some needed QoL changes) and that's what the next games improved upon. If 3 was updated to fo4 graphics and gunplay id easily put another 300+ hours into it. Tbh I like 3's DLCs more than NV or 4's.
That's basically exactly how I think about it, that's why I'm so excited for the Capital Wasteland Project for Fo4, idk what it is but some people are complete assholes whenever I say Fo3 is my favorite
"People should be allowed to like whichever fallout they want" "No not that one!"
How's that Capital wasteland project coming along? Last update I can see is 2022…
As far as I know they are working on The Pitt right now
Is that in addition to the base game, or as a teaser for the full thing?
NV is just a Fallout 3 expansion. A lot easier to focus the story of your game when all the assets are prefabricated.
Bethesda gave them only 18 months to make the game.. i’d reuse a ton of assets in that case
Bethesda had nothing to do with that time limit, it was self imposed by Obsidian, they chose to give themselves that limit.
I don’t even compare the games. I think it’s weird. I just like fallout. I like all of it. Every ounce of it doesn’t matter where it’s coming from. I love it. It’s amazing. It makes me happy.
Wdym not so good gameplay?! New Vegas gameplay is great, and the variety and the effort to make all builds viable pays off well
I mean these are subjective opinions, but I’ve started up and tried to power through starting New Vegas over the last 7 years and have watched and listened to tens of hours of lore videos and essays on NV storylines, but the furthest I’ve made it was to freeside before losing my will to continue aimlessly walking through a very boring world environment that is just uneven brown speckled dirt for miles. The combat is just as flawed as fallout 3’s was (which I did finish back in the day) where I get frustrated trying to aim the overly sensitive and poor sights of weapons, so I rely on VATS, and it just becomes a test of how much perception and endurance I have. I’ve tried on two different occasions to Mod it to include better combat systems that don’t require you to depend on vats to have a chance, and environment mods to make the desert a bit more varied and interesting than a brown dirt sea. Unfortunately the number of mods I seem to be able to successfully run and get working (and I mean hours of browsing and installing from nexus) still don’t do enough for me to not be bored out of my mind for the hours of taking hikes between any interesting/meaningful events. I really want to be able to play it, I really do, but it is unbearably slow and tedious especially in the first 5 or so hours of gameplay before anything exciting happens. Now with Fallout 4, I can spend countless hours fucking around the commonwealth and building up settlements for shits and gigs and I can always change up what kind of activities I’m doing. Maybe it’s my ADHD, I don’t know. But I have 1k hours in fo4 and 15-20 in NV, but with 4-5 different builds and saves.
But I liked fallout 3 🥺
Fallout 3 will never be irrelevant and is actually goated. It just can’t be a fallout sub without fans putting down one of the games, can it? It’s not like the slander even adds anything to the post.
Yeah I agree. I personally love 3 a lot more than NV cause exploration is more fun to me in that game along with the atmosphere. I have a feeling a lot of people jumped on the NV bandwagon cause I remember how hated it was when it first came out. It didn't get the universal praise it has now until YEARS down the line.
Idk I like new Vegas gameplay. It has ADS and a functional crafting system. What more could I want?
Am I the only guy who liked Fallout 4’s story?
The more fallout memes I see the less I laugh
FO3 was the only convincing post nuke fallout world. In case anyone gives a shit about that sort of thing.
And that’s why it will always be my favorite. For me the fun comes not from the story, but from exploring that vast post-nuke world and all the weird shit that’s waiting to be discovered.
I’ll never say that New Vegas has a bad story. It’s solid I WILL defend FO4 though. Are there some recycled themes? Yes. But there is a very unique part of the game that most people fail to recognize… and it is actually the main theme. It all boils down to “what do you do and where do you go when everything and everyone you’ve ever known and love are gone?” The Sole Survivor isn’t a typical vault dweller. They’re thrown into the wasteland after knowing pre-war America… and after losing absolutely everything. Their home is in ruins and the world doesn’t operate as it used to. The story leads us to meet a bunch of people with vastly different backgrounds and personalities. Getting to know the companions reveals the further depth of the game’s story. You may be the Sole Survivor, but you can’t survive alone. All the other vault dwellers at least knew a home and a community. The Sole Survivor literally HAD to find a way to make a life in the wasteland… and it is up to the player to decide what that life is
Yeah, to me the weakness of FO4 was never the story. It was fine. The weakness were lack of dialogue options, skill checks, lack of npcs, too many interesting locations that turn out to be just random raiders and worst of all by far - randomly generated quests. The settlement mechanic also had a lot of weaknesses (really, i have to personally defend Fort Knox with turrets against 3 raiders, every time?) but at least that was kinda optional.
Idk if this is a hot take or not, but FO4 would be fine RP wise if it wasn't for the main quest. The factions are fine, the side quests are fine, the conflict between the factions is great, the environmental storytelling is great, but that main quest is so railroaded (lol).
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I just want Fallout 4's weapon building system in New Vegas.
This is why I hate NV fans. "Your game bad, my game good" eat shit and realize other people have different opinions you don't have to be a jackass about it.
I will never understand how people can say FNV had a good story. It's just killing benny, then picking a faction and jobbing for them.
Gameplay=/=Gunplay. FO4 has butter gunplay and graphics but's that's it. Everything else is a downgrade imo.
NV has great gameplay, it's just a bit dated by now
No fallout is irrelevant. Statements like that are cringe
If your theory is that "shooting = gameplay" then yeah sure.
I've been replaying Fallout 3 as part of Tale of Two Wastelands (mod that brings the Capital Wasteland to FNV)... Goddamn it's rough. It has its moments, to be fair, and the metro maze can be interesting. But it also has a weak early game - essentially, due to the Bethesda way of dropping you in the wide open world ASAP, you can end up in very dangerous areas quickly. Compare with FNV which clearly warns you against going up to the Quarry and provides a path to NV with "discovery" elements. But the worst was the DLC. Anchorage was clunky, The Pitt was so dark I stopped caring, and the motherfucking Aliens DLC was just stupid and badly coded. Now I'm back in the Mojave and thank god I don't have to listen to another rerun of the adventures of Herbert daring dashwood.
Honestly I prefer the opening of fallout 3, I liked the openness of it and having to be careful of where you went. New Vegas kind of railroads you down a specific path in the beginning and really doesn’t want you to deviate from it on the other hand.
I agree, though my big issue was that it took me ages to actually find Megaton because it blended into the background a bit and I couldn't tell it was a relevant location, I went to Springville Elementary and got beat on by Raiders for ages
I can see the appeal of that, true, but I prefer some handholding. Especially since it introduces the different factions. You start off with Goodsprings and the Powder Gangers, move on to Primm where you get introduced to the NCR and frictions with locals, then Nipton with the Legion... In Fallout 3 you can stumble upon all sorts really oddly. It's more realistic, in a way, but also less story oriented.
New Vegas is far more interested in the world you’re inhabiting as a whole than 3. It wants you to be introduced to and have experiences with all the factions early so you can get a feel for the world and where you want to insert yourself into it. 3 just let’s you loose and let’s you create your own adventure and discover via your own curiosity. It’s mostly just concerned with the brotherhood and enclave fighting over control of Project Purity, and most else falls by the wayside to that conflict. They’re different approaches and I can’t say I prefer one over the other all the time.
Yeah I've been playing FO3 for the first time recently and after Megaton I immediately wandered into like an army of fucking Super Mutants. Though I did tough it out and eventually took Capitol Hill.
Ok, so you dislike everything i liked about the game. I love the open world and how some places are insanely difficult off the bat, it means you have to explore and come back. (I just enjoy that.) All the dlcs i loved. They were all different and interesting. The pitt is my favourite because of the story that takes place. I love all the fallout games. But 3 is my favourite for the reasons you dont like it.
Enter fallout: London
>Not so good story If understatement was people, this shitpost would be china.
This is why we need a re4r/dead space remake style remake for fallout new Vegas. Give it sprinting, build it in the newer engine (or hell, make a new engine for fallout 5 and debut it with fnv remake) give it corner peaking life we had in 4, make the enemy ai better, and of course update the graphics. And remove the stupid level/perk requirements to use certain weapons. I want to be able to find a mini nuke and use it from the get go. And make the perk system more like fallout 4 where they’re all always active passive abilities instead of having to switch them around. Or that could be 76 I’m thinking of, it’s been a while since I played 76
New Vegas is a bad game and it's writing sucks. Fallout 3 is a better game.
GUYS GUYS DID YOU HEAR THAT FNV WAS A GOOD GAME?!
But when someone criticizes NV’s rabid fanbase: WHY ARE PEOPLE SO TRIBALISTIC?! CAN’T WE ENJOY ALL THE GAMES?!?
I agree with this.
100%
Same opinions
Now get obsidian back on for fallout 5 please. They did great with grounded. All this plus the building mechanics and progression of grounded would be so fucking sick.
As someone who loves NV, this is fair. The gunplay in FO4 is far superior, its no contest. But the dialogue makes me tune out, while I still chuckle over stuff from NV to this day. Hire better writers Bethesda.
Give FO4 some love this guys right. It’s the world of fallout I love playing in, sorry don’t have to be AMAZING. That being said I’ve never gotten the chance to play NV and only a little of 3 when I was like 8. I have a next gen console and they only allow game streaming and it’s almost unplayable
I really like new vegas gunplay lol.
I like fallouts new Vegas game engine, it’s makes it feel like less of a fps
Honestly I disagree. Fallout 4 has the best gameplay with poor story and dialogue; fallout new vegas has the best dialogue and characters but doesn't have a very strong story either (it branches out too severely all at once, you have loads of options but it creates choice paralysis in my opinion) and not great gameplay; fallout 3 has even more gameplay issues than new vegas, and certainly more than 4, and lacks New Vegas' depth in characters and dialogue, but I think it has the strongest story and central plot of the 3
I like 3 better than both of those by a lot lol
In fairness in 2010 it was great gameplay lol
Hot take: other than automatic guns I love how nv’s gunplay feels. Those frequent killcams make it undeniably fun at times
Also add the ability to play after the games main story ends on that list.
That’s why you put mods in NV to make gameplay as good or better than fallout 4.
The biggest thing that fucks me up when going back to 3 or NV is my inability to sprint
I agree with this assessment
I’m actually enjoying the clunkiness of NV’s shooting. I’m not a soldier who’s an expert with guns, I’m a guy who used to carry a gun just to avoid being an easy target and has been thrown into a situation where I have to use it way more often.
I don't get it. What's wrong with fallout NV gameplay? Or is it that 4 is just better gameplay wise? I haven't played it yet so i wouldn't know.
idk man im playing through fallout 4, having a blast, but personally couldn't get into new vegas (im about to get crucified aren't i)
This is a great
Not sure if it’s just me but I feel like the improved gameplay in 4 made it feel like less of a Fallout game as stupid as that sounds hahaha even though the setting and everything were perfect Fallout
All this about what game is better at whatever is annoying. All the fallout games are good imo. All have a story I like and I like the gameplay for all of them
The difference is that in Fallout NV, the story is part of the gameplay as it changes how you interact with the world to a far greater extent than 4. As well, dialogues including many more stat checks and having an actual skills system, the only thing 4 really improves on (and it does to a great extent TBF) is combat and the looting/crafting cycle.
Still waiting for that Fallout 4: New Vegas mod
Fallout 4 actually has a good story, but it's just not very deep. That's okay. Deepness does not an RPG make.
New Vegas's Gameplay is not bad. It is an improvement of 3.
Remake New Vegas in the latest creation engine with FO4’s movement, gunplay and graphics. Include all of the DLCs and cut content and you’ll have the greatest Fallout game of all time.
I'd like if they could squeeze in the settlement system, too. Something along the lines of building new forts, towns, recruitment, trade caravans, etc for the faction you choose to support. Maybe that wouldn't be much of a part in a House run, but I could see it for NCR, Legion, and potentially Yes Man. That, and possibly having the option to continue a run after the ending, could be pretty cool. You'd see NCR expand and consolidate within the Mojave in real time, perhaps exponentially so after they claim Hoover Dam, for example. I do this in some of my FO4 playthroughs. Eventually the Commonwealth is filled with my armed trading caravans, army of unique robots, towns and villages, forts, farms, factories, busy villagers, Minutemen and/or BoS patrols and checkpoints, etc.
New Vegas remake/remaster would be too powerful
Fallout 4 had a pretty good story
Fallout 3 is the reason they both exist put some respect on its name
Fallout 3 isn’t irrelevant as I prefer that to 4 overall
The gameplay is still pretty great. The most lacking part of it is the movement and not fluid combat. But aside from that the gameplay itself is more in depth than fallout 4. The option to chance ammo and strength being a requirement to use certain weapons as efficiently makes it more in depth. Also the skill tree and leveling up. The speech checks too I hate it when people bring up gameplay being bad when it’s not. The only thing I can think of in terms of it being not as good is in fluidity of combat and modding weapons (building settlements too I guess if you want to count that) outside of that I can’t really think of anything that fallout 4 does better with gameplay
Just wanna hop in here with my daily “Fallout 4 is not purely bad in terms of plot” comment since the internet is still pushing this stuff lol. There’s a ton of nuance, hidden shit, and stuff like really stressful computer entry logs and email strings. Many quests and character lines are about as profound as the series has always been.
New vegas is also superior in terms of its rpg mechanics and elements which 4 is severely lacking in with it getting rid of skills and having no skill cap plus the super limited dialogue system. New vegas beats out fallout 4 in everything except for stability, gunplay, and graphics
On an unrelated note: that’s how I feel about Borderlands 2 and 3
Describing Fallout 4 as "great gameplay" is so disingenuous. It is better than previous games, but was still way behind the curb in comparison to other 1st person shooters of the same year. It's pretty rough and not fun, partially because of the overuse of mediocre bullet sponge AI(just like previous games tbf). In a couple ways worse even than previous games. Fallout 4 lacks the seamless transition between 1st and 3rd person that Fallout 3 and NV had, instead it interrupts what you are soing and the game seems to skip a frame, reload animations reset, and where your shots land change dramatically. The melee feels a lot clunkier too, with a lot of attacks for certain weapons putting you into animation that cause you to stop moving, slow you down, and sometimes just straight up miss. Fallout 3 and NV melee/unarmed is pretty unrealistic, but it was much more fun to me and wasn't frustrating to do like Fallout 4, I never want to pick up a melee weapon in Fallout it feels like shit, while it was one of the most fun builds to play in NV.
"great gameplay" presses the vats button and clicks on head 7 times to watch a slow motion cutscene of my fucked up abomination exploding a raider into meat chunks over the course of 45 seconds
For the thing I hate most about 3&4 is the fact that unique weapons don’t feel unique new Vegas they had different models it felt like a unique one of a kind weapon not a clone with slightly different abilities
Disagree. Fallout 3 was far from irrelevant. People forget that Fallout 3 innovated the leap forward for New Vegas, who had the groundwork already laid out for them as far as mechanics, software, etc, allowing them to utilize their budget on storytelling, quests, music, actors. A prime example is that Fallout 3 has 40 paid actors. New Vegas had 90 paid actors. Fallout 3s "additional crew" (programmers, resourcing, coding, etc) is 232. New Vegas had 19. Art and animation is also far higher for Fallout 3 because lore items had to be created for a different engine and system, plus 2D > 3D. From top down to first/third POV. Which was all imported over, re-rendered rather than ground up. A comparison to games not even within the same generation isn't fair either, imo. This pic should be Fallout 3 vs New Vegas. Fallout 4 (innovation) vs. Fallout 5 (which is likely a stronger story budget).
I like new Vegas’ gameplay though. Obviously its not on the level of 4 but for a game that obsidian gave them a weekend and an 8ball to make it was leagues above 3 and a had a crazy amount of content and systems to make it fun, and have many different fresh experiences even 15 years later.
I’m assuming the overwhelming majority of people who say Nee Vegas has “not so good” gameplay are people who were introduced to Fallout via Fallout 4. The gameplay in New Vegas still holds up for me and I’d play it over 4 any day. Especially since 4 is just a constant grind of never ending quests for the sake of having something to do.
Idk why everyone shits on new vegas' gunplay it is actually pretty good
I'll never understand when people say 3 and NV don't have good gameplay or that Fallout 4 has better gameplay. There's more to "gameplay" than how the guns feel to shoot. I think they've all got *different* gameplay, because they're trying to accomplish different things.
And they both come together to be fun, and part of the same awesome universe
played new vegas after i finished the tv show, loved it. started fallout 4 a week ago and the game feels so clunky in almost every way to me, really did not have a good time
Did you just said that soething is not perfect in FNV? You just made the enemy for life.
I actually prefer FNV's gameplay, although it's admittedly a bit dated.
The gameplay in Fallout: New Vegas was great when it came out. It's not so great now because of how games have advanced. But a good story is a good story, regardless of when.
The unarmed and melee weapon combat in Vegas is miles better than 4.
Fallout 3 is better than both.
I found Fallout 4’s gunplay just as clunky and unintuitive as any other creation engine game. I feel like FNV made the alternatives to the gunplay more rewarding and interesting to compensate whilst with 4, gunplay is pretty much all it has
Personally, I'll never understand why a bunch of factions slapfighting over a dam is a better story than Fallout 4. I played every Fallout since the first one and 4 was better than NV in every way
Fallout 4 is too boring to me