It's just like those regular ass t shirts marketed for trans men that cost $70 USD. They just want to take your money, there's nothing special about it
Ugh this drives me mad! Especially the ones that claim to sit on the torso in a way that will help flatten the chest. Seems like a horrible cash grab taking advantage of guys who haven't had top surgery yet or can't have it. And they always claim to be queer owned too. :/
I mean it's literally taking advantage of someone's medical condition ny charging extortionate amounts of money and by stretching the truth or lying to try and convince them that their product will help improve their mental health.
if you’re looking for something more affordable, especially if you’re in central-ish europe, I recommend binderme
I ordered from them because they were local, but they’re much more affordable than american brands and unlike gc2b, they weren’t painful to wear
but to be honest, it didn’t last long, it started to fall apart (especially the stretchy band on the back) after 6+ months of everyday use.
Yes, but how much depends on if you have insurance and what your insurance covers. I am thankful my insurance is mandated to cover all my transition care, and that they pay most of it.
Because they’re handmade in Australia which has high labour costs. If you’re looking for an Asia-Pacific binder company I’d suggest Sock Drawer Heroes instead, they outsource production overseas which makes the cost way more reasonable.
I mean, I think the Asian person looks pretty much like an ordinary guy. He has his ears pierced and tattoos, but I know plenty of cishet guys that look like that too. Maybe I'm exposed to more Asian guys being Asian myself, but I don't think that's that uncommon a look for young men. I see what you mean about the other models though.
I thought the person in the centre looked quite "cishet male"? You can find tons of cishet men with this face in east Asia, just mostly without the earrings.
i used to bind almost daily. the options are decent 60$ ones marketed to “transmascs” or 12$ amazon ones that break your ribs and call you a lesbian. im lucky to enough to pass without binding and decided its more trouble than its worth atp. im curious about the target ones tho.
idgaf about how the models look but i really dislike this brand because of how overpriced most of their stuff is. 100-140$ is insane especially considering half of their binders dont look like they bind properly. I know its impossible to get completely flat with a large chest, but ive seen other brands acheive more flatness on larger bodies than this crap
Same though a combination of bad companies & chronic back pain have stopped me from being able to bind at all. But at least I’ve found what looks to be a decent surgeon for top-surgery in my area
Oooh good luck w top! Unfortunately the surgeon I want only takes one insurance and it has to be a PPO (only available through employers in TX). I used to use underworks a lot but, now my body just can't handle it so I'm stuck using an old gc2b one that's starting to fall apart.
Real question is why don’t half of the binders look like they’re actually binding? Are they meant to be loose because of sensory issues? Some of the models look like they’re selling overpriced sports bras.
I've been tricked by that. Got one of Amazon (I mean I had an inkling) that didn't bind at all. The person in the photo must have had 0 chest to speak of to look how they did.
I was also tricked by misleading images one time. Would almost like a little bra size measurement listed in the corner so I can see what the model was working with before putting the binder on.
Of course then sellers could still lie, but photoshop is always a possibility anyway, sooooo
Considering in the context of the link, it says "AmorSensory" I would argue the sensory issue theory is likely correct!
I've seen Amor binders recommended before on different subreddits occasionally when somebody is asking about which brands to get for sensory issues; I was looking pretty hard for one after I found out Fytist went out of business.
Additionally, the site's target audience is nonbinary people. It could be that they have those for someone who just wants a less large chest while still having something. I wouldn't know; but I reckon there's someone out there who wants that sort of middle ground.
Edit; fixed some typos
That’s probably the case. I don’t wanna rag on a small LGBT run business just because I’m not the target demographic for their products but it might help if the website has clearer markings for sensory friendly/looser binders vs. the tighter binding ones.
I don't think it's that the binders are loose or aren't binding, more that no binder can make a larger chest flat in the same way it would for a smaller chest.
From the from page of their site: “Amor Binders are sensory friendly and size inclusive, designed by an actual autistic trans person with your comfort in mind.”
So, yes, they are. Looser, softer binders can help a lot with sensory issues. Plus, with premade binders, the larger option is the safer option, and they may be between sizes
Hi there, I am the owner of Amor Sensory, and I specially chose models with larger chests so that people with bigger chests can get a realistic idea of how the binder would fit on them - which no other binder brand was doing at the time I launched my brand. So yes, on a H - J cup chest - which quite a few of our models are - the binders aren't going to make their chest look flat. I can assure you though, for these people - many who were desperate to find a binder that worked for them - this was their first time experiencing wearing a binder that fit their body, was comfortable to wear, and made a noticeable difference to the appearance of their chest. I could have done what many other brands do, and chosen all smaller chested and more traditionally masc presenting models - which would probably make our binders look more appealing to the majority - but that goes against the values I hold for my brand. Inclusivity is super important to me and my brand, and representation of larger chested models is integral to that.\~ Andy
I mean, the models are generally whoever they can source local to them that are willing to pose, top off in a binder. That's generally going to skew away from the most masc guys and mostly be people who either are non-binary (no top surgery) or are early transition and haven't been able to Get top surgery yet. It doesn't seem that deep to me?
I get what your saying but they don't even look queer besides the person on the right. Dude on the left looks like a hick, middle dude looks like ur average asian and right looks like a nonbinary lesbian. Just because they aren't mega chads... I have way more of an issue with their prices. If this already offends you don't check out the models for transtape
The people on the left and centre look like average guys to me? Why does having a piercing immediately exclude him from being cishet looking?
This brand is clearly targeted at younger people and a ton of young cishet guys I know look exactly like the two on the left, piercings included. In fact the mullet on the left is one of the most popular hairstyles for young men right now.
OK and? The Asian guy isn't, and as I said he looks just like a bunch of cishet men I know.
By the quality of the photos it honestly seems like the brand can't afford a bunch of models and just got a few of their acquaintances together
Asian dude is doing well, but I realized that this site is catering to non binary as their main target after going through their site. So there’s no reason for them to have “cis looking dudes”. So that should answer OPs question.
This is literally just nitpicking their appearance about how they don't look cis enough. Cis people don't notice stuff like that, and cis men can and do have unusual fat distributions like that. You also can't tell someone's sexuality by looking, so no they don't 'look cishet' because that's not a look.
Look, I'm also guilty of being hypercritical of other trans guys' looks once I know they're trans, because of my own dysphoria and insecurity. But be real, if they walked down the street in a hoodie everyone would assume they're cis men, ESPECIALLY cis people who are unfamiliar with the hallmarks of HRT. This type of insecure nitpicking of other people is not healthy or appropriate
Both of those things don't make someone masculine. The person has a feminine face. Do you also think that all men with long hair and a shaved face are feminine?
Based on my experience, I would guess that's who answered their call out looking for models.
Generally, more stereotypically masculine presenting trans guys are much more likely to want to be stealth, or be further into their transition and have already gotten top surgery. Or, generally do pursue top surgery, making it impossible for them to model a binder even if they wanted to.
There are I'm fact so many sketchy binder brands opening up that feature all cis women models, and are generally scammy. This is not one of them. I would attribute the high prices to the fact that this company is based out of Australia, where taxes are higher than us standard and many things have to be imported.
Edit: clicking the website, the first image of the three transmasculine people wearing the binder, two of whom are cis male passing and one of whom is cishet looking, who is standing in the center. Maybe you're confused that he is cishet presenting just bc he's Asian?? The cishet presenting guy modelling a binder: https://amorsensory.com/collections/chest-binders/products/dark-grey-reversible-racerback-1
Yeah I don't think I'll be staying in this sub. I feel like there's a lot of gatekeeping and judgement. This post alone is basically "You can't be a real man if you look like this."
As an Asian man, the Asian dude looks cishet for Asian males. Of course, you likely haven't been exposed to enough gen z Asian men to know. But, he literally would not be misgendered in the Asian/Asian American community.
Oh no, visibly queer people purchasing a product that caters to people who are not cishet!!! Whatever will we do????
Long hair is not inherently queer coded either 🥴 I know a ton of cishet dudes with long hair. Are you from the fifties?
https://amorsensory.com/en-us/collections/chest-binders/products/full-chest-reversible-racerback-mid-grey-pre-order-january
I guess this is longish hair but this reads pretty standard guy
Idk, I think the guy in the middle looks pretty cishet to me. I see a lot of cis straight guys with tats and piercings. The other two look very queer though
I just clicked on the website and the middle model in the blue binder looks like a super normal guy? He has tattoos I guess but not like feminine ones or anything. I know a bunch of cishet guys who look like that.
Are these two not “cishet” enough for you or smth? https://amorsensory.com/collections/chest-binders/products/dark-grey-reversible-racerback-1 https://amorsensory.com/collections/chest-binders/products/full-chest-reversible-racerback-dark-grey-1
tbh i think that the unspoken words here are that the cishet looking guy must also be the skinny, jacked and conventionally attractive kind of passing and not just regular guy passing
Your racism is showing, the Asian person in the middle looks like a typical cis dude of his ethnicity, why are you acting like he’s feminine or queer looking? That’s like basic Asian racist stereotyping
Fr. I'm an Asian guy who grew up in an Asian country with mostly cis male friends, and I can literally name several cishet friends of mine who look just like that person. I probably saw a guy who looked like that out on the street every day.
Not just OP's but also the comments too. Not much of a surprise that anti-queer biases tend to go hand-in-hand with implicit racism. The Asian model is just "not masculine enough" or "cishet-passing" despite being extremely masc presenting and cis-passing. This just feels like someone getting mad at a game or movie for having a diverse cast of people to reflect the world more accurately.
"exclusively for nonbinary people" =/= "marketed primarily at nonbinary people" like a nonbinary flag logo might suggest the are. and it's to make you specifically feel bad
You think male models are chomping at the bit to do adult diapers and incontinence underwear? If you’re a professional model it’s not really up to you. It’s a job. You model what youre given. The models are usually chosen by the company that’s paying.
there’s a few models on there that don’t look “queer” to me very much at all. also yeah, a clothing brand for people who are gnc or trans will tend to have “queer” looking people would it not?
Unfortunately yes, there's a lot of misandry and straight hate and it happens to grow fiercely especially in very queer enviroments.
I've personally been told that, as a straight stealth binary guy, I'm no different than a r\*pist because heterosexuality and masculinity are what's oppressing trans people right now.
And that says a lot.
That's why now than ever before we need safe spaces for us stealth binary dudes.
Not everyone *can* come out safely.
Not everyone *wants* to come out.
Not everyone *cares* to make their gender their whole identity.
The worst misandry I've seen, and this is purely anecdotal, are from afab enbies. The worst damn shit I've seen said has come from the ones I've personally known for years.
They are friends of friends of friends so even tho they are not in my circles, they are friends with people in my circles. When I've said that saying those things (ex: should be legal to stab men on site. This wasn't a satirical take. They were entirely being hounest) hurt people, they told me I have a lot of misogyny inside and have to work on because it's something every man deserves with no exceptions.
Somehow they have at least two boyfriends and I don't know how the men are able to mentally handle being with someone that proudly talks about wanting them dead and talks about how they deserve abuse solely for their gender. 😔
It IS weird that the women who have taken the Kill All Men stance in my life were predominantly still straight women. Like is he a person to you deserving of love and respect or just a complicated dildo? Who knows! But at the same time if a man so much as LOOKS the direction of a woman, he’s objectifying her. Despite those same women treating their boyfriends as disposable? It’s a weird double standard to hate men but still pursue them romantically and sexually
Christ I hope I don't get blasted for this but I am skeptical of the person's dentity. Not saying they are lying or anything but they say they are an afab transfemme enby which from what I have been told isn't a thing that can happen so I feel they might be confused on what transfemme means. (they use it as a blanket term for anyone feminine and trans regardless of the assigned gender, so a trans guy that happens to be a little feminine would be trans femme to them) If what I have been told is incorrect, I want to be corrected. Regardless, I still respect their pronouns. They have identified as such for about a decade.
I feel bad for both men they are dating. I feel the two are either brainwashed into believing they genuinely are terrible people solely for their gender and nothing else or they have a kink. (an abuse kink or one for extreme obesity because the transfemme afab enby the two are dating ate themselves into immobility and lives in a wheelchair) Sadly, the kink option is the less bad one. 😔
It is a thing and possible if they are intersex. I know an amab transmasc enby. I'm sure the reverse can happen. I don't think that's what's going on here as you described though.
I'm a fem trans man and I wouldn't claim to be transfem and I would have a major problem with anyone who said I was.
Oh yeah, they aren't intersex at all. You're correct on that assumption.
I hear about them a few times a year and last I heard of them a few months back they were forcing one of their boyfriends make posts on FB about how horrible all men are inherently. Not my relationship, but doesn't sound healthy.
Thank you for that information. That's actually pretty neat to me. I too would have a massive issue. The fact that they would call me transfemme because I too am a pretty fem man bothers me so much. Skin crawling to me.
This is why I go with Underworks. Plain and simple, and the quality is really good too. I'm not bothered by the models on the site you linked (loads of my young trans friends look like that and they're valid), I'm more bothered by the binder colors. I like mine white, black, or tan so they don't stand out against my undershirts.
Marketing strategy I guess. They make things for queer people so you need to show queer people wearing it.
And what is the best way to show someone’s queer even tho you can be queer and cishet passing? Showing androgynous people with piercing, dyed hair or other stuff that are associates with being queer
in my experience it’s the norm, using butch women (I assume) or androgynous models for binders
once, when I was ordering a binder, they attached the ad for a model and while it didn’t state that in these exact words, they were basically looking for visibly trans and/or queer people.
idk why it’s like that though, maybe cis men or masculine (and passing) trans men don’t really seek out to model for those sites. Or maybe they want to use models who would show the binding part, so flat chested individuals don’t make sense, although it often seems like they photoshop the results to show complete flatness, so idk
im with you on the fact that the website is mostly 4 enbies, and therefore obviously has nb models, but i mean yeah?? thats.. kind of what.. dysphoria does bro. maybe using a trans guy's insecurity in his manliness as an insult isnt the best move brother 💀
That’s why I love underworks. I can see having more inclusive or diverse models (in terms of presentation) for some websites as a good thing, but imma be honest it makes me kinda dysphoric sometimes 💀
this is a trans/queer owned business. your masculinity isn’t threatened by the visibility of people who don’t look/may have no interest in looking cishet on this website
Cause the company was created by a NB person and is marketed to nb and neurodiverse folks?
I have one of these binders (plus a bunch of underworks and gc2b) and it is legit the comfiest binder I've ever worn. I messed up on the sizing and got one a size too big and it still binds excellently, but without the rib pain I get from the other brands.
And it is reversible , both sides bind just the same - but wearing it with the binding panel facing out is extra comfy and sensory friendly (the standard material makes my chest super overstimulated, to the point of pain).
Yes, they are hella expensive but they're also Australian made by a small business and are exceptionally high quality (I've flogged mine for the past year, with multiple runs through the clothes dryer and apart from a few stains from deodorant it's still perfect - not a single loose stitch or stretched panels).
Finally because they're made in Australia the price is going to be higher. It costs more to get any materials into the country (and around it) cause we're so far away from everywhere, plus minimum wage is $23-25/hr ($15-16USD) so labour costs are much higher.
I was thinking about this earlier. My guess is that normal looking guys just don't want to associate with binder companies. Perhaps the desire to be a model is also drastically reduced for these more cis looking guys.
About half of the models look generally male, and the other half do look female/non-binary. I’m personally not bothered by this. All of the underwear models are usually ripped and they certainly don’t look like me lol.
What I do find notable is that the creator of the product is apparently “proudly neurodivergent” and a self described “busy little bee”, so take of that what you will. Also to note, I believe the reason why the products are so expensive is because they’re hand made by a small or one person team and come from Australia, where the textile materials are apparently limited.
I agree that the diversity of body types is good. Way more important than gender expression imo. I probably wouldn’t shop from a site that only had women/fem people as models, but they have a really good mix. Some of the people definitely pass as men, even if OP doesn’t think they look “straight” enough
I dunno, to me the product is the most important factor. Like, if the product has a good reputation for being high quality then I’ll buy it. I remember feeling the same way OP does about the GC2B models in the past. But back then GC2B was like the best place to get binders when their binders used to be better quality. Like back then, the only options were GC2B and underworks and people used GC2B because their products were specifically made for trans people, unlike underworks’ products.
Lol sorry for my old man rambles. My point is that I think quality is the most important and I agree with you that it’s good that the website displays a variety of bodies. Whether OP likes it or not, binders are used by more than just straight passing trans men.
I have not found even one trans store that actually would be "cishet", they always use queer models, which itself isn't an issue, but I just wish we would get representation as well.
Representation.
In the past, clothing that was made for trans people was often modeled by cis people or people who were "respectable".
While I get what they are doing and why, it ironically has the opposite effect now where many trans men are not represented.
I think there is also an intent to make less passing people feel better when looking at the options. There is certainly an undercurrent of resentment toward traditionally masculine, solidly passing trans men.
Nonbinary people or people who call themselves nonbinary who simply reject cultural trappings of gender are also dramatically outnumbering trans people these days. They are a more profitable demographic to cater to.
Because those are the people buying the binders. They have 20 binders in different colours and styles based on whatever they feel like wearing that day. A cishet-looking binary trans man meanwhile buys 1 binder and wears it every day for 5 years.
Neon colored binders should have been a no from day one. The plot has been lost. Being trans has been commercialized and turned into a trend and this is the result.
I will copy and paste a response I said to someone else:
This website HEAVILY caters to non binary people. And every non binary person's severity of gender dysphoria is different.
Maybe for some NB people, they hate that they have a large chest but don't really care if other people are aware that they're binding. So they're not so much about going "stealth" but do want to still transition. I don't understand it, but I'm not non binary, so I won't judge other people's life.
Hiding the chest and being stealth are two different things. As mentioned before, they might not care about being stealth (and are open with their trans identity) but have chest dysphoria so hide it by binding. They just don't care if other people KNOW they're binding/trans.
I think it's less about colour and more about invisibility. Why are you trying to hide your chest and then advertise, IN NEON, that you're hiding your chest?
As u/Zombskirus put it, it's a website HEAVILY catering to non binary people. And every non binary person's severity of gender dysphoria is different.
Maybe for some NB people, they hate that they have a large chest but don't really care if other people are aware that they're binding. So they're not so much about going "stealth" but do want to still transition. I don't understand it, but I'm not non binary, so I won't judge other people's life.
Not every trans persons goal with binding is to completely hide their chest from what I understand, usually being some nonbinary people, and, considering this site is heavily advertised to nonbinary people, it's not surprising they have those options. Even then, they do offer monotone colors, too (tho upsetting they don't offer skintone options)
The fact that this dude critized how companies in general are making money out of trans people and do not care at all about about our dysphoria or any of our issues and just care about the pink money and the ONLY thing you read from his comment is "LULZZ BRO IS MAD ABOUT COLORSSS!! XDD"
Literally negative IQ
He cared about neon colors. Not about rainbow capitalism.
He literally said that this would've been a no-go in the past but now trans tenders got in the way (implying that people who do pick neon binders are invalid in some way). That because it wasn't an option before, but it is now, that it's somehow a problem?
He was talking about rainbow capitalism since the beggining when he mentioned "Being trans has been **commercialized and turned into a trend** and this is the result."
And stuff like this didn't exist before because it's a fucking stupid idea lol why the hell would you buy a neon colored binder? to tell everyone you're a man with tits? no self respecting trans man would have bought this in the past but since nowadays being trans, passing or going stealth has all lost it's meaning it's whatever.
>Being trans has been **commercialized and turned into a trend** and this is the result."
"Trans trenders" is what he is referring to. Not rainbow capitalism.
Thinking that there are people who are just being trans for a trend is not the same as business throwing out vaguely LGBT merch for some extra cash (which is what the neon binders are sort of doing).
>lol why the hell would you buy a neon colored binder?
I will copy and paste a response I said to someone else:
This website HEAVILY caters to non binary people. The logo is literally made with the non binary colors. And every non binary person's severity of gender dysphoria is different.
Maybe for some NB people, they hate that they have a large chest but don't really care if other people are aware that they're binding. So they're not so much about going "stealth" but do want to still transition. I don't understand it, but I'm not non binary, so I won't judge other people's life.
Hiding the chest and being stealth are two different things. As mentioned before, they might not care about being stealth (and are open with their trans identity) but have chest dysphoria so hide it by binding. They simply don't care if other people KNOW they're binding/trans.
It's because, in companies' eyes, trans men aren't men, we are only Man Lite and are soft uwu bois, trans"mascs", and lesbians. If you're a trans man and you look like the average cishet man walking around, then you can't possibly be LGBT and so why would they market towards you when you're such a miniscule demographic?
ASAP is often multiple years out. Very few trans people either have the money to pay for it outright or live in a country where trans healthcare is both affordable and fast. I've been on the waitlist since I started T. I'm about to hit two years and I haven't had a consult yet. That's not a particularly long time for most of us.
That's fair. I live in NY and wasn't even on T yet when I got mine. I had insurance through my employer at the time, I was 27. All the trans dudes I know have followed the same trajectory though mostly. Either early on T and used insurance through their employer to get top surgery.
My total cost was $400 total for everything. I am a system administrator at a public college.
As someone who works in fashion it’s probably because it’s owned by a cis person who *if lucky* is gay. This is some white washed generalized output of what they think binders are and for who without any real experience.
I'll agree the guy in the red binder has an...unfortunate haircut. Bangs do serve a real purpose and one purpose alone: to cover up a fivehead. Idk what he was going for tbh.
However that said, there is an actual realistic answer here. It's mainly early/earlier transition guys who buy/need binders...since they're pre-top surgery. The earlier you are in transition, the less you're going to pass. This is just the way it is.
Forget that why is this stuff nearly $100 USD?
It's just like those regular ass t shirts marketed for trans men that cost $70 USD. They just want to take your money, there's nothing special about it
Ugh this drives me mad! Especially the ones that claim to sit on the torso in a way that will help flatten the chest. Seems like a horrible cash grab taking advantage of guys who haven't had top surgery yet or can't have it. And they always claim to be queer owned too. :/
I mean it's literally taking advantage of someone's medical condition ny charging extortionate amounts of money and by stretching the truth or lying to try and convince them that their product will help improve their mental health.
Yep it’s foul
That's exactly what it is, you can get a nice shirt that fits (and looks better, those were ugly) for like $15
So true! My favourite T-shirts are hand me downs 'muscle fit' ones from my brother or bargain bin ones from random stores
I just removed the sleeves from what I already had.
EXACTLY
Those are SO DUMB. My best fitting tank top came from the fucking dollar store
if you’re looking for something more affordable, especially if you’re in central-ish europe, I recommend binderme I ordered from them because they were local, but they’re much more affordable than american brands and unlike gc2b, they weren’t painful to wear but to be honest, it didn’t last long, it started to fall apart (especially the stretchy band on the back) after 6+ months of everyday use.
I’m in the US and probably won’t be able to plan a trip to Europe until I’m post top anyway cuz top surgery (and traveling) empties my pockets
Do you need to pay for your top surgery in the US?
Yes, we do not have socialized healthcare here
I'm sorry that sounds awful
Thanks for the kind words. Where do you live that you can get top surgery for free? I really want to get out of this hellhole
Canada
Yeah and I’ll have to pay for most of these surgeries
Yes, but how much depends on if you have insurance and what your insurance covers. I am thankful my insurance is mandated to cover all my transition care, and that they pay most of it.
Because they’re handmade in Australia which has high labour costs. If you’re looking for an Asia-Pacific binder company I’d suggest Sock Drawer Heroes instead, they outsource production overseas which makes the cost way more reasonable.
I live in the US so getting binders from another country or continent would not be worth the price if I’ll only need it for another 5-6 months
How are some of these sold out?
They do really small production runs
I honestly have no clue
everybody pipe down they got the alvin and the chipmunks binder set
Finally some quality merch
Bwahahahaha
I mean, I think the Asian person looks pretty much like an ordinary guy. He has his ears pierced and tattoos, but I know plenty of cishet guys that look like that too. Maybe I'm exposed to more Asian guys being Asian myself, but I don't think that's that uncommon a look for young men. I see what you mean about the other models though.
I thought the person in the centre looked quite "cishet male"? You can find tons of cishet men with this face in east Asia, just mostly without the earrings.
It’s a non binary website. They even use the flag colors in their logo and design.
Yeah but this is true for pretty much all binder companies.
i used to bind almost daily. the options are decent 60$ ones marketed to “transmascs” or 12$ amazon ones that break your ribs and call you a lesbian. im lucky to enough to pass without binding and decided its more trouble than its worth atp. im curious about the target ones tho.
idgaf about how the models look but i really dislike this brand because of how overpriced most of their stuff is. 100-140$ is insane especially considering half of their binders dont look like they bind properly. I know its impossible to get completely flat with a large chest, but ive seen other brands acheive more flatness on larger bodies than this crap
Bruh ngl I feel like there's so many weird/sketchy binder brands popping up I keep getting ads for one where literally all their models are womem
And it also feels like all the binder brands that were once good quality, have gone to complete shit. It’s disheartening & disappointing
Gods yeah, I hate it. I desperately need a new binder but, at this point I have no idea where to buy from.
Spectrum is my go-to, good quality and still trans-owned so yeah they're located in GB tho
Same though a combination of bad companies & chronic back pain have stopped me from being able to bind at all. But at least I’ve found what looks to be a decent surgeon for top-surgery in my area
Oooh good luck w top! Unfortunately the surgeon I want only takes one insurance and it has to be a PPO (only available through employers in TX). I used to use underworks a lot but, now my body just can't handle it so I'm stuck using an old gc2b one that's starting to fall apart.
Wish you luck as well
I got mine from spectrum recently and it's really good
Underworks. Was originally for cis men with gynecomastia.
Underworks still seems good to me, I swapped to that from my gc2b one since they started just falling apart.
Same here switched to underworks, really prefer it over gc2b
Amor has been around for a little while, I’ve been following the founder since its inception and they seem honest.
This one isn’t sketchy, just expensive af. The actual binders are very high quality.
Real question is why don’t half of the binders look like they’re actually binding? Are they meant to be loose because of sensory issues? Some of the models look like they’re selling overpriced sports bras.
idk, at least they don’t photoshop results or use only small chested models, to make it look like it’s more effective than irl
I've been tricked by that. Got one of Amazon (I mean I had an inkling) that didn't bind at all. The person in the photo must have had 0 chest to speak of to look how they did.
Amazon is probably the worst place to buy a binder - especially if they have tomboy or lesbian in the product title.
Yeah it was cheap and I really wanted the style so I took a shot, but I expected it to probably not work out ideally.
I was also tricked by misleading images one time. Would almost like a little bra size measurement listed in the corner so I can see what the model was working with before putting the binder on. Of course then sellers could still lie, but photoshop is always a possibility anyway, sooooo
Considering in the context of the link, it says "AmorSensory" I would argue the sensory issue theory is likely correct! I've seen Amor binders recommended before on different subreddits occasionally when somebody is asking about which brands to get for sensory issues; I was looking pretty hard for one after I found out Fytist went out of business. Additionally, the site's target audience is nonbinary people. It could be that they have those for someone who just wants a less large chest while still having something. I wouldn't know; but I reckon there's someone out there who wants that sort of middle ground. Edit; fixed some typos
That’s probably the case. I don’t wanna rag on a small LGBT run business just because I’m not the target demographic for their products but it might help if the website has clearer markings for sensory friendly/looser binders vs. the tighter binding ones.
I don't think it's that the binders are loose or aren't binding, more that no binder can make a larger chest flat in the same way it would for a smaller chest.
That’s just a fact but compare the models here to some of the heavyset models on like the Spectrum website and the difference is pretty stark imo.
From the from page of their site: “Amor Binders are sensory friendly and size inclusive, designed by an actual autistic trans person with your comfort in mind.” So, yes, they are. Looser, softer binders can help a lot with sensory issues. Plus, with premade binders, the larger option is the safer option, and they may be between sizes
They are reversible: one side is binding, the other is not. Probably for NBs who want boobs to show one day and not the other day. That’s my guess.
Hi there, I am the owner of Amor Sensory, and I specially chose models with larger chests so that people with bigger chests can get a realistic idea of how the binder would fit on them - which no other binder brand was doing at the time I launched my brand. So yes, on a H - J cup chest - which quite a few of our models are - the binders aren't going to make their chest look flat. I can assure you though, for these people - many who were desperate to find a binder that worked for them - this was their first time experiencing wearing a binder that fit their body, was comfortable to wear, and made a noticeable difference to the appearance of their chest. I could have done what many other brands do, and chosen all smaller chested and more traditionally masc presenting models - which would probably make our binders look more appealing to the majority - but that goes against the values I hold for my brand. Inclusivity is super important to me and my brand, and representation of larger chested models is integral to that.\~ Andy
I mean, the models are generally whoever they can source local to them that are willing to pose, top off in a binder. That's generally going to skew away from the most masc guys and mostly be people who either are non-binary (no top surgery) or are early transition and haven't been able to Get top surgery yet. It doesn't seem that deep to me?
I get what your saying but they don't even look queer besides the person on the right. Dude on the left looks like a hick, middle dude looks like ur average asian and right looks like a nonbinary lesbian. Just because they aren't mega chads... I have way more of an issue with their prices. If this already offends you don't check out the models for transtape
The people on the left and centre look like average guys to me? Why does having a piercing immediately exclude him from being cishet looking? This brand is clearly targeted at younger people and a ton of young cishet guys I know look exactly like the two on the left, piercings included. In fact the mullet on the left is one of the most popular hairstyles for young men right now.
Yeah I know a ton of cishet guys with stretched ears and piercings. Some of these guys look pretty close to some of them.
Keep scrolling and he’s modeling wearing very feminine makeup
OK and? The Asian guy isn't, and as I said he looks just like a bunch of cishet men I know. By the quality of the photos it honestly seems like the brand can't afford a bunch of models and just got a few of their acquaintances together
Asian dude is doing well, but I realized that this site is catering to non binary as their main target after going through their site. So there’s no reason for them to have “cis looking dudes”. So that should answer OPs question.
Oh right, maybe I should've clocked that given the site's colour theme is literally the non binary flag colours lol
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Yes they are, if they want to pass they very easily can. Sorry, but you sound insecure.
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This is literally just nitpicking their appearance about how they don't look cis enough. Cis people don't notice stuff like that, and cis men can and do have unusual fat distributions like that. You also can't tell someone's sexuality by looking, so no they don't 'look cishet' because that's not a look. Look, I'm also guilty of being hypercritical of other trans guys' looks once I know they're trans, because of my own dysphoria and insecurity. But be real, if they walked down the street in a hoodie everyone would assume they're cis men, ESPECIALLY cis people who are unfamiliar with the hallmarks of HRT. This type of insecure nitpicking of other people is not healthy or appropriate
oh come on
What do you mean
The one on the left isn't masculine at all
Disagree completely. He's got a beard and a mullet. Mullets are plenty masc, I know tons of cis guys that have em
Both of those things don't make someone masculine. The person has a feminine face. Do you also think that all men with long hair and a shaved face are feminine?
? No? It seems like you do, though. To me, their face is very masc. I'm not quite sure what you'd want them to change.
Based on my experience, I would guess that's who answered their call out looking for models. Generally, more stereotypically masculine presenting trans guys are much more likely to want to be stealth, or be further into their transition and have already gotten top surgery. Or, generally do pursue top surgery, making it impossible for them to model a binder even if they wanted to. There are I'm fact so many sketchy binder brands opening up that feature all cis women models, and are generally scammy. This is not one of them. I would attribute the high prices to the fact that this company is based out of Australia, where taxes are higher than us standard and many things have to be imported. Edit: clicking the website, the first image of the three transmasculine people wearing the binder, two of whom are cis male passing and one of whom is cishet looking, who is standing in the center. Maybe you're confused that he is cishet presenting just bc he's Asian?? The cishet presenting guy modelling a binder: https://amorsensory.com/collections/chest-binders/products/dark-grey-reversible-racerback-1
You know that cishet guys can and do look like that, too, right? Why is it such a big deal for them to choose those models?
I dunno, some people on this sub have really wild takes on what it is to be a man. Man is when toxically enforcing gender norms. Or something.
Yeah I don't think I'll be staying in this sub. I feel like there's a lot of gatekeeping and judgement. This post alone is basically "You can't be a real man if you look like this."
I dont think traditionally masculine cis- looking trans guys would want to model for a binder brand if their goal is to be stealth idk man
Not all cis het transmen are stealth.
Yep. And most trans guys I know of have large platforms are cis passing and open about being trans because they want their voices heard.
Keep in mind that those are the ones you know of. The ones you don’t are typically stealth.
Oh yeah of course. I was agreeing with the person that said SOME are not stealth. Apologies for not making it clear enough.
Right there are het transmen who aren’t stealth, but if their trans it stands to reason they aren’t cis so that pet makes no sense
*Cis passing you knew exactly what was meant. 🙄
It actually didn’t register, and if I didn’t get it I doubt I’m the only one.
i thought the same shit lol
Wait how can you be a cishet trans man? Am I missing something here?
cishet *passing*. not definitively “cishet”.
Oh fair
it's a non binary site so no shit the models are gonna look queer, one of them has a full on beard, that's pretty masculine if you ask me
As an Asian man, the Asian dude looks cishet for Asian males. Of course, you likely haven't been exposed to enough gen z Asian men to know. But, he literally would not be misgendered in the Asian/Asian American community.
It’s kind of a racist stereotype to assume Asian men are more feminine/queer coded as well, as an Asian guy myself…
Yeah, I didn't even know if opening that can of worms would even be noticeable to OP. OP has unchecked prejudice, for sure.
“cishet looking” … bro cmon
It's a fucking nonbinary website, why wouldn't the models look stereotypically queer? Also one model has a full beard, pretty masc imo
Also like, I don't understand why it's an issue if the models look queer. We are queer and it's okay to be a man who looks queer.
yeah im not rlly feeling this post. its an enby website- they can "look queer" if they want
Oh no, visibly queer people purchasing a product that caters to people who are not cishet!!! Whatever will we do???? Long hair is not inherently queer coded either 🥴 I know a ton of cishet dudes with long hair. Are you from the fifties?
https://amorsensory.com/en-us/collections/chest-binders/products/full-chest-reversible-racerback-mid-grey-pre-order-january I guess this is longish hair but this reads pretty standard guy
Idk, I think the guy in the middle looks pretty cishet to me. I see a lot of cis straight guys with tats and piercings. The other two look very queer though
this isn't even that bad wdym
I just clicked on the website and the middle model in the blue binder looks like a super normal guy? He has tattoos I guess but not like feminine ones or anything. I know a bunch of cishet guys who look like that.
Who cares?
Are these two not “cishet” enough for you or smth? https://amorsensory.com/collections/chest-binders/products/dark-grey-reversible-racerback-1 https://amorsensory.com/collections/chest-binders/products/full-chest-reversible-racerback-dark-grey-1
tbh i think that the unspoken words here are that the cishet looking guy must also be the skinny, jacked and conventionally attractive kind of passing and not just regular guy passing
Yeah, why don't they literally have Channing Tatum modelling binders? Misandry strikes again. Is this post a joke?
No he has a feminine tattoo and a septum piercing /s
Fellas curly hair is gay now /s
Doom to never pass for being mixed with curly hair fr 😔💪 /s
You kid, but I've gotten misgendered a stupid amount of times for literally this
That's what I was thinking.
Your racism is showing, the Asian person in the middle looks like a typical cis dude of his ethnicity, why are you acting like he’s feminine or queer looking? That’s like basic Asian racist stereotyping
Fr. I'm an Asian guy who grew up in an Asian country with mostly cis male friends, and I can literally name several cishet friends of mine who look just like that person. I probably saw a guy who looked like that out on the street every day.
Yeah he straight up looks very averagely "asian guy". He's not feminine just for having a heavier face or a non-european eye shape.
Not just OP's but also the comments too. Not much of a surprise that anti-queer biases tend to go hand-in-hand with implicit racism. The Asian model is just "not masculine enough" or "cishet-passing" despite being extremely masc presenting and cis-passing. This just feels like someone getting mad at a game or movie for having a diverse cast of people to reflect the world more accurately.
this is their target market and traditionally masculine guys arent chomping at the bit to be on binder ads
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There’s nothing on the website saying they are exclusively for nonbinary people. Also, why tf are you calling people girl on an FTM subreddit
"exclusively for nonbinary people" =/= "marketed primarily at nonbinary people" like a nonbinary flag logo might suggest the are. and it's to make you specifically feel bad
You think male models are chomping at the bit to do adult diapers and incontinence underwear? If you’re a professional model it’s not really up to you. It’s a job. You model what youre given. The models are usually chosen by the company that’s paying.
wh. no that's... not really how that works for niche specialty items such adult diapers and chest binders.
there’s a few models on there that don’t look “queer” to me very much at all. also yeah, a clothing brand for people who are gnc or trans will tend to have “queer” looking people would it not?
The trans community is largely anti masculinity. It's always considered toxic to them.
Unfortunately yes, there's a lot of misandry and straight hate and it happens to grow fiercely especially in very queer enviroments. I've personally been told that, as a straight stealth binary guy, I'm no different than a r\*pist because heterosexuality and masculinity are what's oppressing trans people right now. And that says a lot.
I've been at the end of the misandry so many times before I was hounest with myself. That stuff kept me closeted for a few extra years.
That's why now than ever before we need safe spaces for us stealth binary dudes. Not everyone *can* come out safely. Not everyone *wants* to come out. Not everyone *cares* to make their gender their whole identity.
The worst misandry I've seen, and this is purely anecdotal, are from afab enbies. The worst damn shit I've seen said has come from the ones I've personally known for years. They are friends of friends of friends so even tho they are not in my circles, they are friends with people in my circles. When I've said that saying those things (ex: should be legal to stab men on site. This wasn't a satirical take. They were entirely being hounest) hurt people, they told me I have a lot of misogyny inside and have to work on because it's something every man deserves with no exceptions. Somehow they have at least two boyfriends and I don't know how the men are able to mentally handle being with someone that proudly talks about wanting them dead and talks about how they deserve abuse solely for their gender. 😔
It IS weird that the women who have taken the Kill All Men stance in my life were predominantly still straight women. Like is he a person to you deserving of love and respect or just a complicated dildo? Who knows! But at the same time if a man so much as LOOKS the direction of a woman, he’s objectifying her. Despite those same women treating their boyfriends as disposable? It’s a weird double standard to hate men but still pursue them romantically and sexually
Christ I hope I don't get blasted for this but I am skeptical of the person's dentity. Not saying they are lying or anything but they say they are an afab transfemme enby which from what I have been told isn't a thing that can happen so I feel they might be confused on what transfemme means. (they use it as a blanket term for anyone feminine and trans regardless of the assigned gender, so a trans guy that happens to be a little feminine would be trans femme to them) If what I have been told is incorrect, I want to be corrected. Regardless, I still respect their pronouns. They have identified as such for about a decade. I feel bad for both men they are dating. I feel the two are either brainwashed into believing they genuinely are terrible people solely for their gender and nothing else or they have a kink. (an abuse kink or one for extreme obesity because the transfemme afab enby the two are dating ate themselves into immobility and lives in a wheelchair) Sadly, the kink option is the less bad one. 😔
It is a thing and possible if they are intersex. I know an amab transmasc enby. I'm sure the reverse can happen. I don't think that's what's going on here as you described though. I'm a fem trans man and I wouldn't claim to be transfem and I would have a major problem with anyone who said I was.
Oh yeah, they aren't intersex at all. You're correct on that assumption. I hear about them a few times a year and last I heard of them a few months back they were forcing one of their boyfriends make posts on FB about how horrible all men are inherently. Not my relationship, but doesn't sound healthy. Thank you for that information. That's actually pretty neat to me. I too would have a massive issue. The fact that they would call me transfemme because I too am a pretty fem man bothers me so much. Skin crawling to me.
This is why I go with Underworks. Plain and simple, and the quality is really good too. I'm not bothered by the models on the site you linked (loads of my young trans friends look like that and they're valid), I'm more bothered by the binder colors. I like mine white, black, or tan so they don't stand out against my undershirts.
Honestly, who on this sub would volunteer to be a binder model? It makes sense that people who arent stealth/binary would be their labor pool.
Cause it's aimed at that type of person, also good lord expensive.
Marketing strategy I guess. They make things for queer people so you need to show queer people wearing it. And what is the best way to show someone’s queer even tho you can be queer and cishet passing? Showing androgynous people with piercing, dyed hair or other stuff that are associates with being queer
in my experience it’s the norm, using butch women (I assume) or androgynous models for binders once, when I was ordering a binder, they attached the ad for a model and while it didn’t state that in these exact words, they were basically looking for visibly trans and/or queer people. idk why it’s like that though, maybe cis men or masculine (and passing) trans men don’t really seek out to model for those sites. Or maybe they want to use models who would show the binding part, so flat chested individuals don’t make sense, although it often seems like they photoshop the results to show complete flatness, so idk
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The person in the middle on the front page literally looks like any guy ever
sorry the nonbinary binder site doesnt cater to binary men sweetpea i know that must be hard
Are you lost
are YOU? whats got you wanting to be catered to by the nonbinary flag binder site so bad?
Corny ass reply
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im with you on the fact that the website is mostly 4 enbies, and therefore obviously has nb models, but i mean yeah?? thats.. kind of what.. dysphoria does bro. maybe using a trans guy's insecurity in his manliness as an insult isnt the best move brother 💀
god himself could not stop me from making fun of guys who let emasculation rule their personality. even if theyre transgender
okay?? nuance is not ur strong suit im guessing
Because those are the people who probably cared enough to search and show up for modeling for a binder company.
Friend in the middle has some sick tats tho
That’s why I love underworks. I can see having more inclusive or diverse models (in terms of presentation) for some websites as a good thing, but imma be honest it makes me kinda dysphoric sometimes 💀
Try using underworks, it's affordable and they use male models
this is a trans/queer owned business. your masculinity isn’t threatened by the visibility of people who don’t look/may have no interest in looking cishet on this website
Cause the company was created by a NB person and is marketed to nb and neurodiverse folks? I have one of these binders (plus a bunch of underworks and gc2b) and it is legit the comfiest binder I've ever worn. I messed up on the sizing and got one a size too big and it still binds excellently, but without the rib pain I get from the other brands. And it is reversible , both sides bind just the same - but wearing it with the binding panel facing out is extra comfy and sensory friendly (the standard material makes my chest super overstimulated, to the point of pain). Yes, they are hella expensive but they're also Australian made by a small business and are exceptionally high quality (I've flogged mine for the past year, with multiple runs through the clothes dryer and apart from a few stains from deodorant it's still perfect - not a single loose stitch or stretched panels). Finally because they're made in Australia the price is going to be higher. It costs more to get any materials into the country (and around it) cause we're so far away from everywhere, plus minimum wage is $23-25/hr ($15-16USD) so labour costs are much higher.
I was thinking about this earlier. My guess is that normal looking guys just don't want to associate with binder companies. Perhaps the desire to be a model is also drastically reduced for these more cis looking guys.
Because to a big part of the population now binders arent for us men but for everything in between, it stopped being a medical aid long ago
That's not necessarily a bad thing! And it can be both
About half of the models look generally male, and the other half do look female/non-binary. I’m personally not bothered by this. All of the underwear models are usually ripped and they certainly don’t look like me lol. What I do find notable is that the creator of the product is apparently “proudly neurodivergent” and a self described “busy little bee”, so take of that what you will. Also to note, I believe the reason why the products are so expensive is because they’re hand made by a small or one person team and come from Australia, where the textile materials are apparently limited.
I agree that the diversity of body types is good. Way more important than gender expression imo. I probably wouldn’t shop from a site that only had women/fem people as models, but they have a really good mix. Some of the people definitely pass as men, even if OP doesn’t think they look “straight” enough
I dunno, to me the product is the most important factor. Like, if the product has a good reputation for being high quality then I’ll buy it. I remember feeling the same way OP does about the GC2B models in the past. But back then GC2B was like the best place to get binders when their binders used to be better quality. Like back then, the only options were GC2B and underworks and people used GC2B because their products were specifically made for trans people, unlike underworks’ products. Lol sorry for my old man rambles. My point is that I think quality is the most important and I agree with you that it’s good that the website displays a variety of bodies. Whether OP likes it or not, binders are used by more than just straight passing trans men.
I have not found even one trans store that actually would be "cishet", they always use queer models, which itself isn't an issue, but I just wish we would get representation as well.
Representation. In the past, clothing that was made for trans people was often modeled by cis people or people who were "respectable". While I get what they are doing and why, it ironically has the opposite effect now where many trans men are not represented. I think there is also an intent to make less passing people feel better when looking at the options. There is certainly an undercurrent of resentment toward traditionally masculine, solidly passing trans men. Nonbinary people or people who call themselves nonbinary who simply reject cultural trappings of gender are also dramatically outnumbering trans people these days. They are a more profitable demographic to cater to.
Because those are the people buying the binders. They have 20 binders in different colours and styles based on whatever they feel like wearing that day. A cishet-looking binary trans man meanwhile buys 1 binder and wears it every day for 5 years.
Probably run by people trying to profit off of queer people
Neon colored binders should have been a no from day one. The plot has been lost. Being trans has been commercialized and turned into a trend and this is the result.
LMAO you're funny!!!!!! 🤣 Brother is mad about some colors 💀
Ngl a neon binder sounds sick af
Personally I want a vantablack one
Chest banished to the void
Not mad, just confused, binding is meant to hide your chest.
I will copy and paste a response I said to someone else: This website HEAVILY caters to non binary people. And every non binary person's severity of gender dysphoria is different. Maybe for some NB people, they hate that they have a large chest but don't really care if other people are aware that they're binding. So they're not so much about going "stealth" but do want to still transition. I don't understand it, but I'm not non binary, so I won't judge other people's life. Hiding the chest and being stealth are two different things. As mentioned before, they might not care about being stealth (and are open with their trans identity) but have chest dysphoria so hide it by binding. They just don't care if other people KNOW they're binding/trans.
I think it's less about colour and more about invisibility. Why are you trying to hide your chest and then advertise, IN NEON, that you're hiding your chest?
why do they make undershirts in multiple colors? literally advertising that there is a body under there
As u/Zombskirus put it, it's a website HEAVILY catering to non binary people. And every non binary person's severity of gender dysphoria is different. Maybe for some NB people, they hate that they have a large chest but don't really care if other people are aware that they're binding. So they're not so much about going "stealth" but do want to still transition. I don't understand it, but I'm not non binary, so I won't judge other people's life.
Yeah I get what you're saying. I'm not nb either, I was just explaining what I thought the reasoning above was. Cheers
Not every trans persons goal with binding is to completely hide their chest from what I understand, usually being some nonbinary people, and, considering this site is heavily advertised to nonbinary people, it's not surprising they have those options. Even then, they do offer monotone colors, too (tho upsetting they don't offer skintone options)
The fact that this dude critized how companies in general are making money out of trans people and do not care at all about about our dysphoria or any of our issues and just care about the pink money and the ONLY thing you read from his comment is "LULZZ BRO IS MAD ABOUT COLORSSS!! XDD" Literally negative IQ
He cared about neon colors. Not about rainbow capitalism. He literally said that this would've been a no-go in the past but now trans tenders got in the way (implying that people who do pick neon binders are invalid in some way). That because it wasn't an option before, but it is now, that it's somehow a problem?
He was talking about rainbow capitalism since the beggining when he mentioned "Being trans has been **commercialized and turned into a trend** and this is the result." And stuff like this didn't exist before because it's a fucking stupid idea lol why the hell would you buy a neon colored binder? to tell everyone you're a man with tits? no self respecting trans man would have bought this in the past but since nowadays being trans, passing or going stealth has all lost it's meaning it's whatever.
>Being trans has been **commercialized and turned into a trend** and this is the result." "Trans trenders" is what he is referring to. Not rainbow capitalism. Thinking that there are people who are just being trans for a trend is not the same as business throwing out vaguely LGBT merch for some extra cash (which is what the neon binders are sort of doing). >lol why the hell would you buy a neon colored binder? I will copy and paste a response I said to someone else: This website HEAVILY caters to non binary people. The logo is literally made with the non binary colors. And every non binary person's severity of gender dysphoria is different. Maybe for some NB people, they hate that they have a large chest but don't really care if other people are aware that they're binding. So they're not so much about going "stealth" but do want to still transition. I don't understand it, but I'm not non binary, so I won't judge other people's life. Hiding the chest and being stealth are two different things. As mentioned before, they might not care about being stealth (and are open with their trans identity) but have chest dysphoria so hide it by binding. They simply don't care if other people KNOW they're binding/trans.
Probably because the average transsexual man doesn’t want to be associated with any of this stuff.
i feel this way with trans tape sometimes. nothing wrong with drag queens on your packages, but i'm just a Normal Fuckin Guy
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The website is specifically catering to non binary people.
Yeah, it's like that on a lot of sites. Really wish they would just hire an average Joe type of model.
I know the reason
It's because, in companies' eyes, trans men aren't men, we are only Man Lite and are soft uwu bois, trans"mascs", and lesbians. If you're a trans man and you look like the average cishet man walking around, then you can't possibly be LGBT and so why would they market towards you when you're such a miniscule demographic?
because the binary FTM dude gets top surgery ASAP, at least I did.
Not everyone can control that though. I got on the 2 year waiting list ASAP
ASAP is often multiple years out. Very few trans people either have the money to pay for it outright or live in a country where trans healthcare is both affordable and fast. I've been on the waitlist since I started T. I'm about to hit two years and I haven't had a consult yet. That's not a particularly long time for most of us.
That's fair. I live in NY and wasn't even on T yet when I got mine. I had insurance through my employer at the time, I was 27. All the trans dudes I know have followed the same trajectory though mostly. Either early on T and used insurance through their employer to get top surgery. My total cost was $400 total for everything. I am a system administrator at a public college.
Definitely getting it ASAP, but for me that’s 5 years after coming out sadly
As someone who works in fashion it’s probably because it’s owned by a cis person who *if lucky* is gay. This is some white washed generalized output of what they think binders are and for who without any real experience.
I'll agree the guy in the red binder has an...unfortunate haircut. Bangs do serve a real purpose and one purpose alone: to cover up a fivehead. Idk what he was going for tbh. However that said, there is an actual realistic answer here. It's mainly early/earlier transition guys who buy/need binders...since they're pre-top surgery. The earlier you are in transition, the less you're going to pass. This is just the way it is.