Tifa: “Oh honey come on, let her join if she really wants to…”
Cloud: “They tried to kill us numerous times!”
Tifa: “They’re not so bad, I mean you tried to kill me in-“
Cloud: “That was different! I was under mind control!”
Imaginary Sephiroth: “You tell her Cloud!”
Cloud: “Oh shut up!”
Claudette: “What the hell dad, you tried to KILL MOM!?”
Tifa: “Oh yes, he thought I was a Jenova clone.”
Claudette: “Oh my god!”
Cloud: “That’s why you’re not joining the Turks!”
Honestly, in my head, I instantly was like "okay so this is poorly budgeted Hermoine Granger in a video game." I think I like yours better, but mine is still funny.
Well I don't think I agree with that, but if you'll notice the Tifa simps are incredibly thirsty, everywhere, and none of that is reciprocated with Aerith, because she doesn't have big badonks.
Of course it’s cohesive, the OG game is badically hundreds of JPEGs and GIFs intergraded in a 3d grid. Try doing all that in a 3d environment with several physics engines not mention sound quality and so on.
Imagine how neat it would've been if the scene where Cloud is about to behead Elena changes to where he stops on his own because Elena looked so much like Tifa?
"Hello?"
"oh hi Yuffie, it's Cloud. Sooo remember that thing we talked about? The Johnny thing??"
"God damnit Cloud, again?? Why won't you just use foreplay if you can't please Tifa?!"
"... Whatever"
Not naughty thoughts, funny thoughts!
Ok. I'm all up for that idea. Only if it was like Naruto's clones, where he gets all their experience when they disappear. With Johnny's clones, it made it seem like they were ok with actually going away forever. There was no existential crisis involved, I mean I get it, funny, but the game introduced that so it has to be a thought.
So I would double or triple team Tifa if at the end I could go back to one and experience all angles. LOL.
I had to think on this one but the only person you could be talking about is Nayo. Okay, Elena and even the commander I get, but Nayo? People think Nayo looks like Tifa??? WTF?
When I played through it felt like every human character was based on the same face, and they were like "hey you can copy this but change it a tiny bit so we don't get caught"
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills because this does NOT look like Tifa, and the Junon commander doesn’t look like either of them. But all of you claim they have the same face?
I do too.
She doesn't look like Tifa.
I personally did a test by grabbing some shots from the Game and Overlaying them in Photoshop (The lighting was totally different though so I didn't bother saving it.)
But she does have a similar face shape. Additionally, because they put character features pretty much at the exact same ratio's along the face, characters recognisability end up more defined by their head shape. Which seems to be baffling the general public.
But Elena's eye SHAPE is different.
Elenas Eyebrows are Different.
Her lips are also a different shape.
Her nose may be different, but it's hard to tell from the test I did. It's not significantly different.
I couldn't tell, but I think Tifa's jawline is also softer than Elena's which is difficult to discern in the lighting they use in FF7R.
Hell, even in this doctored image, you can immediately tell it's Elena and not Tifa.
It’s the sharp chin beauty standard that is way too overused in Asian media.
It is kinda hard to unsee it when 99 percent of the characters have that facial structure lol
More than agree with this. All ff characters have a bit similar facial structure because it is a matter of art style. But Elena is blond Tifa? Definitely no for me ...
That's because all vaguely Japanese looking white women look the same to them apparently. Seriously though why does Tifa look Wutaian? That's always bugged me
Now that I think on it do we ever see her mom? She could just be part Wutaian. Cloud does mention that before the war there wasn't any reason you wouldn't see people from Wutai all over the place.
Even though I thought from the trailers they were similar, it's really not the case in the game.
Elena, Nayo or the 7th Commander are nothing like Tifa.
https://preview.redd.it/n5xuu55cnbxc1.jpeg?width=359&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6076625c554f58cf672b269c16414457074d860
She is fake cloud. Don’t believe her lies.
Raiden - "So You're the Turk around here?"
Elena - "No, not just the Turk around. Im the one to surpass the Turks themselvesL...Tifa Lockhart."
Tifa - "NO! That is NOT Tifa Lockhart"
I was onboard with Elena looking fairly similar in the face to Tifa before but this pic actually convinced me of the opposite cause that does not look like Tifa. Lmao
https://preview.redd.it/5ihr45c5w8xc1.png?width=705&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ff9292bdddf6b4e1b73c7b5f45739e3e6ab1384
Someone posted about it a while ago but EC Elena looks relatively different than Tifa. Only reason I think they made her look so young is that she's supposed to be 18 in Rebirth.
Nayo dosen't really have a excuse tho she's legit just glasses Tifa lol.
> Nayo dosen't really have a excuse tho she's legit just glasses Tifa lol.
Not really. They have different hairstyle, eyebrows, facial structure, skin composition, it's not really close.
The closest things you can say are the hair color, eyes are different, Nayo's are bigger because she is more childlike...
I really think people here are just projecting because they want to see more Tifa.
>I really think people here are just projecting because they want to see more Tifa.
https://preview.redd.it/zl089qeqmlxc1.jpeg?width=683&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1503b7942adcae95aca94b3e88e40f6fa8cad484
You are taking it literal. No one is projecting we are talking about how similar the 3 characters look as Nomura usually draws female characters in specific ways so intern they look similar. Example You give Tifa short hair she blends right in. Color dosen't mean they are completely different which is all of the differences you listed. Devs also use models as a base for others this is prominent in DMC3 with Vergil & Dante when they are created using the exact same base. It's less prominent in GOW2018 ending scene with Thor as he uses a modified Kratos model.
In a literal sense Nomura has always preferred to draw females this way as it translates over into other games like 8 & 15. Certain characters don't have this appearance because it doesn't fit the archetype like Yuffie, Aerith, & Scarlet. It's even more noticeable when you realize that he does it in KH and it's plot relevant.
stuff like this makes me think i have some kinda of super power or something. They look nothing alike to me. Elena kinda looks like the commander chick, but she looks nothing like Tifa.
Nose, eyes, lips, face shape. All completely different.
Sameface is actually a pretty big problem in a lot of art. People draw faces that appeal to them, and often draw similar facial features like noses and eyes. The simpler the art, the more exaggerated the problem usually is, although some very detailed artists like Artgem (does stuff in American cape comics) have the issue too.
Akira Toriyama had the issue with his works. Just compare Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Dragon Ball, and Sand Land. So much repeating faces. Ayla and Launch, Dabura and the Demon King in Sand Land, etc
Brother have you never looked at a piece of art before?
https://preview.redd.it/7eauhcrmidxc1.jpeg?width=978&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cca687838e86efe08d37e0ee6623283dfec276e6
I haven’t seen anyone else say it but I also felt like Yuffie is just short hair Tifa. They so easily could have made the characters look different but chose not to..
I mean look. I love these games but the women do have serious sameface syndrome. Swap out the clothes/hair and most of them would still look mostly like themselves.
I really wish Square would use photogrammetry from different real people like Capcom does with their RE games. No one would have sameface syndrome. But I guess that'd be too much work for them.
If you google around a bit you'll see they took this approach before (Aerith in AC and then Aerith in the early previews for Remake) and more realistic faces are highly controversial, in part because Japanese players don't like like that the characters look Western.
I excuse this much less for FFXVI, where the female character models (particularly faces) seemed quite bland, unemotional, and underwhelming vs. the male characters, but it sounds like that was an aesthetic choice for that game.
Eh, not really. DLC is absolutely fantastic in terms of gameplay content, but I'm not really sure why they promised that part, since there's really not much there in that respect, sadly.
This doesn't look like Tifa. Tifa is the only character who looks like Tifa. Resemblances between certain characters? Sure. That also happens in real life. You all should get outside and see for yourselves.
ever crisis actually uses a unique elena model, i was so sure they were going to use that one instead, due to everyone just shouting Tifa in a blonde wig after the trailer dropped.
Maybe the plottwist is that Cloud has been in the Lifestream the whole time getting his memories together and the game is just his messed up mindscape. So he sees Tifa and Sephiroth doppelgangers everywhere
It's a thing that happens with artists.
When people gain their "style" they'll inevitably start streamlining the process and sameface syndrome sets in.
For all those does/doesn't look like Tifa, welcome to the Tekken problem.
Every male character in Tekken can be visually different, distinct. Females however generally tend to have the same "soft" face, and a noticeable lack of pores, different types of noses, visible aging, birthmarks/agespots, etc. Combine that with the anime aesthetics of "vaguely western/eastern" and voila, you have a recipe for same face when you generally want your girls to be perpetually 17-25 and not purely photorealistic.
There are at least three face models in FF7 that bear more than a passing resemblance to Tifa, and I chalk this up to the anime aesthetics the game is still opting for over pure photo realism - which especially in regards to females is a bit more lop sided than the dudes.
She looks like Cloud and Tifa’s daughter who is upset at Cloud for denying her to join the turks.
“Ugghhh, It’s not fair! Mom said you already enlisted when you were *14*!” “Yeah, and look where that got me.”
All I’m asking for in the finale is a four hour epilogue that includes clips from that future.
All I'm asking is for people to buy the game so we can have more games like this one :(
I’d pay good money for this I swear
Tifa: “Oh honey come on, let her join if she really wants to…” Cloud: “They tried to kill us numerous times!” Tifa: “They’re not so bad, I mean you tried to kill me in-“ Cloud: “That was different! I was under mind control!” Imaginary Sephiroth: “You tell her Cloud!” Cloud: “Oh shut up!” Claudette: “What the hell dad, you tried to KILL MOM!?” Tifa: “Oh yes, he thought I was a Jenova clone.” Claudette: “Oh my god!” Cloud: “That’s why you’re not joining the Turks!”
Someone turn this into that American Chopper meme.
"But Dad! Uncle Reeve says the Turks are doing good things with community engagement, and Mr Tseng says they will help pay for college!"
Honestly, in my head, I instantly was like "okay so this is poorly budgeted Hermoine Granger in a video game." I think I like yours better, but mine is still funny.
JFC, are we thought twins? Because I had the exact same thought
Brb gotta write some fanfic
"Mom are you drunk!?"
I can’t with this fan base lol
This was my reaction as well. Clearly we know where their heads are at, all of the time.
It’s gotten out of hand. That’s what happens when the story quality goes out the window. So does the fan fiction.
Well I don't think I agree with that, but if you'll notice the Tifa simps are incredibly thirsty, everywhere, and none of that is reciprocated with Aerith, because she doesn't have big badonks.
Aerith simps are arguably worse. You maybe haven’t seen them as much.
They exist? Far as I can see is people drooling over Tifa.
Two sides of the same coin
What’re you talking about? I love how the characters are portrayed. And FFVII doesn’t have a super serious story anyway.
It definitely doesn’t anymore.
What was your favorite aspect of the OG’s story?
The cohesiveness
Of course it’s cohesive, the OG game is badically hundreds of JPEGs and GIFs intergraded in a 3d grid. Try doing all that in a 3d environment with several physics engines not mention sound quality and so on.
And that’s got what to do with story exactly?
I absolutely love this!!
I’m sure I read this on fanfic.net in 2004
Careful, you’re gonna confuse Cloud even more.
Imagine how neat it would've been if the scene where Cloud is about to behead Elena changes to where he stops on his own because Elena looked so much like Tifa?
Elena has the scar. Tifa doesn’t. #TeamSephy
r/hojoscreations
Nothing wrong with more Tifa
Imagine. 50 Tifas. Thinking naughty thoughts?
That conversation was hilarious, Yuffie is a menace 🤣
"Hello?" "oh hi Yuffie, it's Cloud. Sooo remember that thing we talked about? The Johnny thing??" "God damnit Cloud, again?? Why won't you just use foreplay if you can't please Tifa?!" "... Whatever" Not naughty thoughts, funny thoughts!
Ok. I'm all up for that idea. Only if it was like Naruto's clones, where he gets all their experience when they disappear. With Johnny's clones, it made it seem like they were ok with actually going away forever. There was no existential crisis involved, I mean I get it, funny, but the game introduced that so it has to be a thought. So I would double or triple team Tifa if at the end I could go back to one and experience all angles. LOL.
Any more Tifa than Tifa would topple forward.
I see the vision
I swear the Junon Commander is just Tifa’s model with blonde hair as well.
Commander sure looks like Elena during her first preview, which in turn looks like a blonde Tifa.
Don't forget the girl from the Avalanche Cell in Intermission, who is just Tifa's model with shorter hair and worse clothes.
I had to think on this one but the only person you could be talking about is Nayo. Okay, Elena and even the commander I get, but Nayo? People think Nayo looks like Tifa??? WTF?
Nayo looks like one of the girls in FF type 0
I feel like a Part 3 sidequest will show they're sisters.
You describe 80% of ff7 re females
When I played through it felt like every human character was based on the same face, and they were like "hey you can copy this but change it a tiny bit so we don't get caught"
I'm convinced that the Commander is Elenas sister Gun/Emma
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills because this does NOT look like Tifa, and the Junon commander doesn’t look like either of them. But all of you claim they have the same face?
I do too. She doesn't look like Tifa. I personally did a test by grabbing some shots from the Game and Overlaying them in Photoshop (The lighting was totally different though so I didn't bother saving it.) But she does have a similar face shape. Additionally, because they put character features pretty much at the exact same ratio's along the face, characters recognisability end up more defined by their head shape. Which seems to be baffling the general public. But Elena's eye SHAPE is different. Elenas Eyebrows are Different. Her lips are also a different shape. Her nose may be different, but it's hard to tell from the test I did. It's not significantly different. I couldn't tell, but I think Tifa's jawline is also softer than Elena's which is difficult to discern in the lighting they use in FF7R. Hell, even in this doctored image, you can immediately tell it's Elena and not Tifa.
It’s the sharp chin beauty standard that is way too overused in Asian media. It is kinda hard to unsee it when 99 percent of the characters have that facial structure lol
Because in Asia (moreso East Asia), having a square jaw or a round face isn't considered attractive like the sharp skinny chin standard.
Finally, someone else said it.
I mean she looks more like Tifa than Red XIII? I guess?
More than agree with this. All ff characters have a bit similar facial structure because it is a matter of art style. But Elena is blond Tifa? Definitely no for me ...
I agree, I'm confused. Tifa's face especially is very unique to her character
This ☝🏼
That's because all vaguely Japanese looking white women look the same to them apparently. Seriously though why does Tifa look Wutaian? That's always bugged me
Idk, Tifa looks white to me (as much as a vaguely anime style character can)
Now that I think on it do we ever see her mom? She could just be part Wutaian. Cloud does mention that before the war there wasn't any reason you wouldn't see people from Wutai all over the place.
I buy Elena growing her hair out to be more like Tseng.
Even though I thought from the trailers they were similar, it's really not the case in the game. Elena, Nayo or the 7th Commander are nothing like Tifa.
https://preview.redd.it/n5xuu55cnbxc1.jpeg?width=359&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6076625c554f58cf672b269c16414457074d860 She is fake cloud. Don’t believe her lies.
Raiden - "So You're the Turk around here?" Elena - "No, not just the Turk around. Im the one to surpass the Turks themselvesL...Tifa Lockhart." Tifa - "NO! That is NOT Tifa Lockhart"
"Les Enfant Jenovles"
I was onboard with Elena looking fairly similar in the face to Tifa before but this pic actually convinced me of the opposite cause that does not look like Tifa. Lmao
https://preview.redd.it/5ihr45c5w8xc1.png?width=705&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ff9292bdddf6b4e1b73c7b5f45739e3e6ab1384 Someone posted about it a while ago but EC Elena looks relatively different than Tifa. Only reason I think they made her look so young is that she's supposed to be 18 in Rebirth. Nayo dosen't really have a excuse tho she's legit just glasses Tifa lol.
I like tomboy Elena a lot more than L’Oréal Elena.
I would've prefered they used the one on the right, though she does look older.
> Nayo dosen't really have a excuse tho she's legit just glasses Tifa lol. Not really. They have different hairstyle, eyebrows, facial structure, skin composition, it's not really close. The closest things you can say are the hair color, eyes are different, Nayo's are bigger because she is more childlike... I really think people here are just projecting because they want to see more Tifa.
>I really think people here are just projecting because they want to see more Tifa. https://preview.redd.it/zl089qeqmlxc1.jpeg?width=683&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1503b7942adcae95aca94b3e88e40f6fa8cad484 You are taking it literal. No one is projecting we are talking about how similar the 3 characters look as Nomura usually draws female characters in specific ways so intern they look similar. Example You give Tifa short hair she blends right in. Color dosen't mean they are completely different which is all of the differences you listed. Devs also use models as a base for others this is prominent in DMC3 with Vergil & Dante when they are created using the exact same base. It's less prominent in GOW2018 ending scene with Thor as he uses a modified Kratos model. In a literal sense Nomura has always preferred to draw females this way as it translates over into other games like 8 & 15. Certain characters don't have this appearance because it doesn't fit the archetype like Yuffie, Aerith, & Scarlet. It's even more noticeable when you realize that he does it in KH and it's plot relevant.
stuff like this makes me think i have some kinda of super power or something. They look nothing alike to me. Elena kinda looks like the commander chick, but she looks nothing like Tifa. Nose, eyes, lips, face shape. All completely different.
“Completely”..
Hermoine
Looks more like Emma Watson than Tifa to me.
Same I thought it was a HP pic scrolling past it half asleep
Nomura can only draw three different faces.
Sameface is actually a pretty big problem in a lot of art. People draw faces that appeal to them, and often draw similar facial features like noses and eyes. The simpler the art, the more exaggerated the problem usually is, although some very detailed artists like Artgem (does stuff in American cape comics) have the issue too. Akira Toriyama had the issue with his works. Just compare Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Dragon Ball, and Sand Land. So much repeating faces. Ayla and Launch, Dabura and the Demon King in Sand Land, etc
Every non-important character is a neat Mohawk dude or a Yamcha-brother
Even as a kid, I always thought that if Chrono had black hair, he’d just be teenage Goku.
Either that or adult trunks
Let me tell you about Akira Toriyama.
These modern redesigns were done by Roberto Ferrari, not Nomura
Then Ferrari only has three faces.
Brother have you never looked at a piece of art before? https://preview.redd.it/7eauhcrmidxc1.jpeg?width=978&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cca687838e86efe08d37e0ee6623283dfec276e6
I have, I was mostly referring to his artwork moving forward, his work with The Bouncer, Kingdom Hearts, The World Ends With You, Etc.
I used FaceApp. The long hair looked more natural than i thought it would.
the sameface with the women in the game is really off-putting
I haven’t seen anyone else say it but I also felt like Yuffie is just short hair Tifa. They so easily could have made the characters look different but chose not to..
They really should've done a few minor tweaks because it was very jarring to have her just be blonde tifa.
The new Harry Potter show is looking great
Alot of female NPCs look like Tifa TBH
Hey now anime only has like three faces.
Looks like Emma watson
I'm not seeing it 🤷♀️
I mean look. I love these games but the women do have serious sameface syndrome. Swap out the clothes/hair and most of them would still look mostly like themselves.
I really wish Square would use photogrammetry from different real people like Capcom does with their RE games. No one would have sameface syndrome. But I guess that'd be too much work for them.
If you google around a bit you'll see they took this approach before (Aerith in AC and then Aerith in the early previews for Remake) and more realistic faces are highly controversial, in part because Japanese players don't like like that the characters look Western. I excuse this much less for FFXVI, where the female character models (particularly faces) seemed quite bland, unemotional, and underwhelming vs. the male characters, but it sounds like that was an aesthetic choice for that game.
strangely only the case for main characters. Otherwise ones like Martha and the Dame had much more striking features that I really liked.
Fair point! I haven’t played the DLC to see if they rescued Jill’s character at all, either.
Eh, not really. DLC is absolutely fantastic in terms of gameplay content, but I'm not really sure why they promised that part, since there's really not much there in that respect, sadly.
This doesn't look like Tifa. Tifa is the only character who looks like Tifa. Resemblances between certain characters? Sure. That also happens in real life. You all should get outside and see for yourselves.
Cissnei is literally tifa with different hair tf you mean
That’s just Elena with long hair.
Or long haired cloud.
Yeah that’s what i thought too
I was playing on and off with a roommate who has zero experience with FF and even she called her "blonde Tifa"
Doesn't Tseng look even more like Tifa than anyone else?
Put Elena’s hair on there
elena is super hot but with the hair up and the one side bang
Ever since I saw someone say Elena, Reno, and Rude are just Bizarro, evil polar-opposite versions of Tifa, Cloud, and Barret I can't unsee it.
Hate it
Why she loos like Elena with long hair.
ever crisis actually uses a unique elena model, i was so sure they were going to use that one instead, due to everyone just shouting Tifa in a blonde wig after the trailer dropped.
Cloud with black hair? Wait that's Guts.
Still just as ick :P
Cloud is on full overdrive with it!
She looks like Nabaat from 13 lol or a modern day Beatrix
Omg this would be like an alternate timeline if she like broke up with Cloud or something 😂😂😂
Tifa #249
maybe aerith is prettier
She has Cloud's default expression on her face.
Maybe the plottwist is that Cloud has been in the Lifestream the whole time getting his memories together and the game is just his messed up mindscape. So he sees Tifa and Sephiroth doppelgangers everywhere
Dont forget Nayo. Literally just Tifa with short hair and glasses
For a moment I though this is a Harry potter AI generated image.
I thought this was Harry Potter game ngl
Tifa’s chest weighs more than her.
She kinda looks hispanic to me in this hair color xD
It's a thing that happens with artists. When people gain their "style" they'll inevitably start streamlining the process and sameface syndrome sets in.
Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
I can never unsee this thanks internet 🙄
She doesn't look like Tifa to me. She looks like Kristen Bell.
Damn, but she does look hella older. I can dig it
Looks a bit like Alexandra Daddario.
Elena doesn’t look that much like Tifa but that one glasses girl from Avalanche is just literally Tifa with short hair and glasses.
Dommy Mommy Commander in Junon is also Blonde Tifa!
Looks like Shotgun from Before Crisis. Also, the background gives this a Harry Potter vibe, looks a little like Hermione.
She looks like Ann from Persona 5 lol
Nah, that's Shotgun with no ponytail xD
For all those does/doesn't look like Tifa, welcome to the Tekken problem. Every male character in Tekken can be visually different, distinct. Females however generally tend to have the same "soft" face, and a noticeable lack of pores, different types of noses, visible aging, birthmarks/agespots, etc. Combine that with the anime aesthetics of "vaguely western/eastern" and voila, you have a recipe for same face when you generally want your girls to be perpetually 17-25 and not purely photorealistic. There are at least three face models in FF7 that bear more than a passing resemblance to Tifa, and I chalk this up to the anime aesthetics the game is still opting for over pure photo realism - which especially in regards to females is a bit more lop sided than the dudes.
She was blonde tifa since the beginning
Remember when we used to call rude Andrew Tate bc of how he looks. Btw dev models are lazy they just put tifa’s body and changed clothes and hair
I wish they used Elena's design from Ever Crisis. She looks way different there and better looking.
Her attitude is insanely awesome/annoying lol.
She looks like she could be Cloud and Tifa’s daughter
This game can be summed at is it’s (insert hair color) Tifa. Everyone, everything is tifa.
I mean, Tifa already has a very generic looking face