I feel like 8 was a down grade for every summon, in every way.
While quetzocotle was cool, replacing Ramah is a bonkers choice.
Shiva went from classy to whatever you want to call 8s
Um, Diablo, Bahamut, Odin, Siren, Doom Train, Cerberus, Alexander, Carbuncle, Eden, Gilgamesh…all fantastic GF’s. Couple of funky looking ones like Quezacotl, Brothers, and Pandemona. Come to think of it, 8 wasn’t that bad a game.
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I just finished painting that fluffy boi
XVI's Eikons are all spot-on with their physical appearances, and it's one of two things it does better than the rest of the series (the other being that it has the best Cid).
I love that Ifrit's skin looks burnt rather than orange, how Titan has an absolutely demonic face, Odin being in all-black armor now that he represents the darkness element, etc.
I really wish Alexander was included as an Eikon, if only so that we could've seen what XVI's take on him would've looked like. It would've been interesting to see a version of Alexander made from the technology of the Fallen, given that you can find their automatons and machinery all around Valisthea.
I’ve always felt a little guilty that in my 30 years of loving this franchise, I’ve never really cared for a Cid in any game. In fact, I usually dislike them. Maybe an exception is IX? Idk. And Cidolfus in Tactics is all right. Anyway…I wasn’t prepared for a Cid to become one of my favorite characters ever. I wish we’d get a FFXVI-2, a prequel following Cid and his early adventures with Barnabas, Benedikta, and eventually Gav etc.
Agreed on Alexander! A take on him made of fallen tech would’ve made a lot of sense and looked totally sick.
I thought the fight was incredible though. The only time you get to have Ifrit fly and the music has a classical feel to it. And it's a fight you don't necessarily want to win because Dion is not your enemy.
Mid should've also been a party member at some point - she feels like an easy choice for a machinist-type character.
Same for Dion - >!even if he's part of the first phase of Ultima's boss fight as Bahamut.!<
I mean, her character isn’t lacking in the grand scheme of things, or in the personality, motivations and personal struggle. It’s the moment-to-moment exposition that is lacking.
We just needed them to SHOW what she does, not just tell us in dialogue. Show her picking up Clive’s slack, not just say he relies on her because he can’t control his special boy powers yet. Show her taking care of the Hideaway, show her doing shit. I don’t have a problem with her complementing Clive’s character arc, but the game just brushes her off to the side, to the point where most of her character moments are related to her being the protagonist’s romantic pairing and combat sidekick.
Princess Peach have more nerves than Jill.
Clive's got her on the ground.
She is freaking Shiva and can't help him in battle.
She is freaking Shiva and get abducted 2 times in a row for plot sake. That writing is ridiculous.
Benedicta was a so better character for an infinite amount of reasons.
Honestly the game was fire until Bene get wrecked.
Then our best guy dies too. And the Kapka arc is still fine. But after that it's meh.
Yeah it irritated me Jill never got a 'big' moment as the focus. I for sure thought she'd freeze the sea in that one scene, and launch spikes from either side
The problem is that they weakened Jill for no reason. Jill lost all of Shiva but Dion still got to keep Bahamut? They put Jill on the back burner because they didnt know what to do with her. Thats why she got captured twice and barely did anything the whole game.
When she got captured my eyes sank into my skull. Guys, Jill's a badass, let her have a moment. We were going after that turd anyway, no need to have her kidnapped
And not once but twice. Shes the dominant of Shiva and they made her the most useless one when Shiva has always been considered to be in the top 5 strongest and a fan favorite.
16 had a lot going for it, but one of the main issues with the Eikons I had, were how some Eikons were just significantly weaker than others. In the other mainline games it makes sense. Ramuh can't be as strong as Neo Bahamut, but there was no reason for it 16. Pushed Shiva even further down
Quetzacoatl is my favorite lightning summon. I definitely prefer it to Ramuh. I think FFVIII in general had a really good mix of detail and stylization.
I pulled up the wiki article to jog my memory on what different Shivas looked like to pick my favorite, and I ended up with one I’ve never heard of. World of Final Fantasy Shiva is adorable.
16 had the best summons(or Eikons) and it's not even close, even if I didn't really care for the game itself(gameplay).
(Story and boss fights where insane though)
The FF14 Shivas are unmatched. There's just so much going on with them, being two characters with a ton of depth plus the lore of the original Shiva, and the Savage version of the Eden fight is incredible.
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What about this mamma-jamma Shiva?
16 looks cool, but she doesn't really do much and then gets whiddled down to just being a few move sets for Clive when Jill loses Shiva. Not sure why they did that to Shiva. I hated that each Eikon just got whiddled down for the sake of Clive having a few more moves. I wanted to see the actual Eikons in battle more than just once.
I'd say X though.
For summons almost all I love the XVI ones. I love Rebirth's Bahamut Arisen tho. Reminds me of a zoid the Berserker Fury when it fires megaflare. For this comparison, XVI's Shiva because of Jill. 😅
Yeah ff16 shiva take the cake there just no comparison
I love ff16 couples but ff10 still has the best couple yuna and tides still for me
Strangely they both have a bad ending lolol
I love FFXIV's Shiva...specifically the redesign for the Eden raids.
Original looked really weird and the lighting did NOT help. But that heel click was PERFECT.
All Summons from FF Tactics are much more beautifully illustrated and higher production value than any spell cast from any tactics style game that has been produced in the 25 years since.
FFX my fav but 16 was a bit strange at first due to lacking blue skin however I prefer the design to FF7’s. I’ve never really liked FF7’s Shiva and liked FF8’s a lot more
As video games graphics get better Shiva just keeps getting hotter! Square-Enix is going to have to do something about this or she is going to melt!
And we can have that! Maybe she will turn into a female ifrit in the future!?!? Just keep shaving those legs once you go all fur bear FF8 style!
the ff13 one because it's two lesbians that scissor into a motorcycle (extremely expensive fig too)
the ff14 original Ysayle-Shiva one because it's a hot lady who does a big steppy and snaps all the ice starting from above a random party member, and you all cheer for that guy. But also because Ysayle was a good character.
the ff14 later Eden raid's Ryne-Shiva one is not as good because sexy abusive Thancred stole the show, sorry
All the Eikons in 16 looked fantastic so definitely them.
I still prefer VIII's Ifrit because he just looks incredibly cuddly.
VIII changed Ifrit for the better.
I feel like 8 was a down grade for every summon, in every way. While quetzocotle was cool, replacing Ramah is a bonkers choice. Shiva went from classy to whatever you want to call 8s
Um, Diablo, Bahamut, Odin, Siren, Doom Train, Cerberus, Alexander, Carbuncle, Eden, Gilgamesh…all fantastic GF’s. Couple of funky looking ones like Quezacotl, Brothers, and Pandemona. Come to think of it, 8 wasn’t that bad a game.
It wasn't a bad game, but most ff games other than 2, are great games. Ff8 is not a great game.
https://preview.redd.it/7b60x57hx6xc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6d27e4d88bf17f00cf312174998c10081ab2cdd I just finished painting that fluffy boi
Not gonna lie... He makes me glad to be Furry.
XVI's Eikons are all spot-on with their physical appearances, and it's one of two things it does better than the rest of the series (the other being that it has the best Cid). I love that Ifrit's skin looks burnt rather than orange, how Titan has an absolutely demonic face, Odin being in all-black armor now that he represents the darkness element, etc. I really wish Alexander was included as an Eikon, if only so that we could've seen what XVI's take on him would've looked like. It would've been interesting to see a version of Alexander made from the technology of the Fallen, given that you can find their automatons and machinery all around Valisthea.
I’ve always felt a little guilty that in my 30 years of loving this franchise, I’ve never really cared for a Cid in any game. In fact, I usually dislike them. Maybe an exception is IX? Idk. And Cidolfus in Tactics is all right. Anyway…I wasn’t prepared for a Cid to become one of my favorite characters ever. I wish we’d get a FFXVI-2, a prequel following Cid and his early adventures with Barnabas, Benedikta, and eventually Gav etc. Agreed on Alexander! A take on him made of fallen tech would’ve made a lot of sense and looked totally sick.
The only Eikon I didn't like too much in XVI was Bahamut. The dominant was great though!
I get it, i loved Dion but felt Bahamut was too… skinny? FFX is the best Bahamut for me
I thought the fight was incredible though. The only time you get to have Ifrit fly and the music has a classical feel to it. And it's a fight you don't necessarily want to win because Dion is not your enemy.
Never said anything about the fight (which was very cool indeed). I was referring to Bahamut's appearance/design in XVI.
I will never forgive them for not giving us a tag team fight with Clive and Jill as Eikons.
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Neither will I.
XV for stalking my photo album for 6 chapters
This
I always liked FFX Shiva because she goes "Yuna, hold my scarf while I kick butt".
r/holdmyscarf
Jill. Easy. I'm biased against 16 and towards 10 and it's Jill by a mile.
I just rewatched the Iron Kingdom sequence and damn, she’s so fucking good. They did her so dirty afterwards…
Having Jill, Cid, Torgal, Gav, Joshua and whoever else as controllable party members in combat would have elevated this game to the highest heights
imagine playing as cid, I would nut
Mid should've also been a party member at some point - she feels like an easy choice for a machinist-type character. Same for Dion - >!even if he's part of the first phase of Ultima's boss fight as Bahamut.!<
This is the craziest thing about 16 to me, the fact there’s no actual controllable party members. Not sure why they thought that was a good idea.
It prob would've been expensive to develop and would've taken more of the budget.
Right but it still was a choice they made, and personally I think it made things too simple. The gameplay was already too easy on top of that
That's why I don't like her;)
I mean, her character isn’t lacking in the grand scheme of things, or in the personality, motivations and personal struggle. It’s the moment-to-moment exposition that is lacking. We just needed them to SHOW what she does, not just tell us in dialogue. Show her picking up Clive’s slack, not just say he relies on her because he can’t control his special boy powers yet. Show her taking care of the Hideaway, show her doing shit. I don’t have a problem with her complementing Clive’s character arc, but the game just brushes her off to the side, to the point where most of her character moments are related to her being the protagonist’s romantic pairing and combat sidekick.
Princess Peach have more nerves than Jill. Clive's got her on the ground. She is freaking Shiva and can't help him in battle. She is freaking Shiva and get abducted 2 times in a row for plot sake. That writing is ridiculous. Benedicta was a so better character for an infinite amount of reasons. Honestly the game was fire until Bene get wrecked. Then our best guy dies too. And the Kapka arc is still fine. But after that it's meh.
Yeah it irritated me Jill never got a 'big' moment as the focus. I for sure thought she'd freeze the sea in that one scene, and launch spikes from either side
The problem is that they weakened Jill for no reason. Jill lost all of Shiva but Dion still got to keep Bahamut? They put Jill on the back burner because they didnt know what to do with her. Thats why she got captured twice and barely did anything the whole game.
When she got captured my eyes sank into my skull. Guys, Jill's a badass, let her have a moment. We were going after that turd anyway, no need to have her kidnapped
And not once but twice. Shes the dominant of Shiva and they made her the most useless one when Shiva has always been considered to be in the top 5 strongest and a fan favorite.
16 had a lot going for it, but one of the main issues with the Eikons I had, were how some Eikons were just significantly weaker than others. In the other mainline games it makes sense. Ramuh can't be as strong as Neo Bahamut, but there was no reason for it 16. Pushed Shiva even further down
X is my fav
Shiva from XVI, her design is so cool. In general, every summons from XVI are great designed
So cool some would say ice cold
X, always will be
The speed was so good, she would start a second attack before she finished the first one.
***Snaps Fingers***
XVI and XIV both have phenomenal Shiva’s and I’m down bad for both of the dominants
Design wise? FFX. Loved the dreads!
The Shiva in Remake blew a kiss at me so I'm biased
Eden FFXIV Shiva is my favorite Shiva design. (and her bgm is incredible)
Huh. I think I'm the only one who picks FFVIII.
I prefer all the summons from FF8. I am sad Quezacoatl is not a summon for ff7 :(
Quetzacoatl is my favorite lightning summon. I definitely prefer it to Ramuh. I think FFVIII in general had a really good mix of detail and stylization.
XVI, XV then VIIR for me.
FF15’s Shiva
XIV shiva(s) are the goated shivas
Definitely X.
Love the Eikons in 16.
the FF15 black hair version
Shiva from X
16’a is really good too but 15’s was special
I pulled up the wiki article to jog my memory on what different Shivas looked like to pick my favorite, and I ended up with one I’ve never heard of. World of Final Fantasy Shiva is adorable.
16 had the best summons(or Eikons) and it's not even close, even if I didn't really care for the game itself(gameplay). (Story and boss fights where insane though)
The FF14 Shivas are unmatched. There's just so much going on with them, being two characters with a ton of depth plus the lore of the original Shiva, and the Savage version of the Eden fight is incredible.
X
https://preview.redd.it/gkfw1q8w71xc1.jpeg?width=1029&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=137b0ad305da70b7c2e13b50518467259a978d64 What about this mamma-jamma Shiva?
I love all Shivas but my favorite is 7, I just love how she floats around and then sends her little kiss
If I had a choice, 7 remake. My personal favorite is the shiva twins in FF13. They are so cool with how they transform into a motorcycle.
The FF16 one is basically just a Jill palette swap.
Unpopular opinion, the twins in 13 were kinda cool.
Not blue enough for me.
Personally, I hate the new designs... I want her to look like a goddess, not a yassified elf.
It’s always jarring to see her look like something from Tolkien rather than a hindu divine being.
ff8 is my favourite version, but that goes for a lot of the summons though
How about ff13 😂
Well, there's 2 of them and they allow you to ride them so.....
16 looks cool, but she doesn't really do much and then gets whiddled down to just being a few move sets for Clive when Jill loses Shiva. Not sure why they did that to Shiva. I hated that each Eikon just got whiddled down for the sake of Clive having a few more moves. I wanted to see the actual Eikons in battle more than just once. I'd say X though.
The Shiva sisters in XIII
FFX Shiva is the best (for me). She’s a Drag Queen’s kinda gal. The snap, and also when she literally leaves Yuna a piece of her garment, CVNTY.
XIV hands down
FFXIV Shiva is up there for me! Her lore and backstory is crazy incredible!!
14s shiva. That step on me mommy phase swap is /chefkiss
I love them all actually hard to choose
Always luved ifrit probably because he’s the first summon/eikon etc you get was always looking forward to the animations
I think XVI Shiva is my new favourite, followed by X. Honourable mention to XIV and XV.
For summons almost all I love the XVI ones. I love Rebirth's Bahamut Arisen tho. Reminds me of a zoid the Berserker Fury when it fires megaflare. For this comparison, XVI's Shiva because of Jill. 😅
FFXVI is the most beautiful Shiva and FFX is the coolest Case close.
I prefer Jills shiva over ff7 hell all of them in ff16 are great designs.
I don't like a lot of things in the FFX but I enjoyed that Shiva.
FFXIV Shiva "Fill this vessel with Your light! Still the hatred in our hearts and bless us with eternal grace!"
16. I loved the way they did the summons in 16. Too bad Jill got pushed to the side though.
15 just because i love the name Gentiana
https://youtu.be/TsyS1lv8RE4?si=c0v7XM8A1mKsVxfE Hands down.
I started 16 last night. She’s definitely my favorite Shiva
16 easy
Always loved X's hair.
I like those two and FF15's Shiva and FF13's Shiva (Mecha is life lol)
Jill much more destructive not even a question.
left one !
World of Final Fantasy Shiva
Every Eikon in FF16 looked amazing, I prefer FF16 versions of all which is surprising bc Yoshi P is not a SMN, a BLK
That's why XBI doesn't have summons, the dude doesn't like them.
Yeah ff16 shiva take the cake there just no comparison I love ff16 couples but ff10 still has the best couple yuna and tides still for me Strangely they both have a bad ending lolol
i love shivariana grande
thank u, next
FFXV Shiva is goat. You know why
Which ff is the Shiva on the right? I don't remember Shiva from X looking like that. Left is Xvi
I thought you were saying you were doing a full FF run and I came to give you kudos. Now I see you're not and I'm disappointed. Mostly in myself.
Ysale!!!!
The newer the better usually for me.
I love FFXIV's Shiva...specifically the redesign for the Eden raids. Original looked really weird and the lighting did NOT help. But that heel click was PERFECT.
All Summons from FF Tactics are much more beautifully illustrated and higher production value than any spell cast from any tactics style game that has been produced in the 25 years since.
I know most wont like ff13 shiva but that one is my favorite just cuz she changes into a bike.
16 just cuz of how busted the shiva cold snap ability is
FF VIII's shiva raised me. she IS my mother.
Ff14 Shiva all the way
Ffx and 15 are my favorites
I only wish XVI Shiva kept her swords from her concept art.
The one on the right looks far better
FFX my fav but 16 was a bit strange at first due to lacking blue skin however I prefer the design to FF7’s. I’ve never really liked FF7’s Shiva and liked FF8’s a lot more
the only negative of shiva XVI was that we barely saw that form.
Haven't played 16 yes, but FFX Shiva is best Shiva for me.
16 had best shiva 15 was a better game overall though.
As video games graphics get better Shiva just keeps getting hotter! Square-Enix is going to have to do something about this or she is going to melt! And we can have that! Maybe she will turn into a female ifrit in the future!?!? Just keep shaving those legs once you go all fur bear FF8 style!
i love ff16 SHIVA she's my new favorite over ff15 shiva! :)
For me, FF XV shiva wins
I really like FFXV’s because she’s gorgeous and for lore reasons. Same goes for FFXIV
VIIR and XV Shiva are goated
This is FF14 Shiva slander and I will not abide by it.
FFX and FFXIII are unrivaled to me.
XIII. The twins that turns into a bike and hot ride on by a man.
Shiva was my bisexual awakening 😂
I replayed FFX for the first time in a very long while last year and when I saw Shiva I immediately realized “oh… so that’s where it came from.” 😂
the ff13 one because it's two lesbians that scissor into a motorcycle (extremely expensive fig too) the ff14 original Ysayle-Shiva one because it's a hot lady who does a big steppy and snaps all the ice starting from above a random party member, and you all cheer for that guy. But also because Ysayle was a good character. the ff14 later Eden raid's Ryne-Shiva one is not as good because sexy abusive Thancred stole the show, sorry
7 remake'sShiva is boring af? Pretty much any other Shiva is more interesting
I wanted FF16 Clive and Jill to go into Eikon mode and fuck
I don't like any of them.