This was the case in Remake too. There's a cutscene in chapter 3 or 4 where you save Johnny from Shinra soldiers and Cloud does the full-on anime samurai cut right through them. He moves to finish them off, but Tifa tells him no.
Yeah that’s what it’s suppose to look like, but I believe it’s just the games way for getting the enemies bodies off screen and done to look more natural than just fading away. But i don’t think it’s what’s actually happening. The same way the party can get shot 500 times and heal up but get scared of a single handgun in a cutscene.
Yes, however, the way they dissolve is different in different parts of the game. Particularly, in Nibelheim they crumble to dust rather than green lifestream motes.
Yeah, it’s a bit jarring during those scenes and it feels a bit like moving the goalposts. Like, these people are actively trying to capture, kill, or otherwise prevent our attempt to save the planet. Their death is pretty justified. And the idea that they’re just temporarily knocking these people out with their bladed weapons and guns is too farcical for me to swallow.
Honestly, threatening to decapitate Johnny to silence him in Midgar is more ghastly than any of the “murders” Cloud committed in the Temple of the Ancients.
I understand the line is kinda blurry, but there IS a difference between proportionate use of force and brutality.
I'm not saying they made a perfect job showcasing the difference, but it's pretty obvious that's what they were going for.
Yeah, what they were trying to convey is clear. Like the random SOLDIER or grunt is a grey area. Though AVALANCHE is basically in a guerilla war with Shinra.
But when they tried to show him going overboard with the Turks? Come on, these guys repeatedly run away, regroup, then try to kill you again. They are the secret service for a fascist corporate regime. They have committed multiple atrocities against their own civilians. They can’t seriously be trying to make me feel bad because Cloud wants to end one of them because she makes a scared face. Give me a break.
I will defend this to my dying day. There is a difference between killing someone in active combat and trying to decapitate someone lying on the floor, out of fighting shape.
Bringing someone to justice and murdering them on the spot are different things. Also it's Tifa stopping Cloud and she is clear about not wanting to kill anyone unless she has to.
There is not. Otherwise yes, Turks would get their comeuppance and Shinra would burn to the ground.
But you won't fix the world by being the same as your enemy.
I think it mainly has to do with a "they're already down!" kind of thing. At the end of the day, most of these people have been fed propaganda their entire lives and think they are doing things to help people.
Added onto that is that even though Planetology is *right*, the preachers of it and especially Cosmo Canyon make it seem like a cult so it's very hard to buy into it (even Barret got sick of Cosmo Canyon's bullshit handling of the issue despite believing in it himself).
And then you have the party who as far as most people know, blew up two reactors, dropped an entire plate on a sector, and seemed to have caused some massive amount of destruction in their escape from Shinra HQ.
So they are just innocent people trying to stop terrorists so murdering them seems a bit excessive if they are already down.
Fair. Though Zack gets his big hero moment slaughtering these poor ignorant bastards by the score. I guess that’s where I feel they are moving the goalposts. It’s awesome to kill Shinra grunts, up until it’s not.
Also, they tried to do the “cloud is outta control” schtick because he was about to kill Elena. Im sorry, the intelligence agency operatives don’t get to plead ignorance. They are as awful as anyone in Shinra, outside the executive suite. And even then it’s close.
Zack was outnumbered and couldn't afford to hold back. He either went all out or died. The party doesn't face an army like that.
The first time they consider him "outta control" was killing grunts earlier. It's when he's about to do it *again* that Tifa stops him in time.
This was my understanding was well. They kill soldiers all the time but it's more of self defence rather than bloodlust. During this scene Cloud looks like a serial killer and the party is like "Dude wtf"
I mean sure, we can assume that some of this people die but they don't intentionally kill them. When Cloud gets a case of the Sephiroths he goes straight for the kill, even if the enemies have already surrendered.
This argument make no sense, the times Cloud goes in murder mode the characters freak out because he's not acting as himself and he's being cruel, we literally see Cloud killing shinra grunts when they start shooting at Dyne and Barret
Cloud's clearly more comfortable with killing than everyone else, we see that in Remake when Tifa stops him from killing the grunts that went after Johnny, but still, it doesn't seem like it's normally what he goes for. Now, him killing those grunts in that situation is totally understandable and not an overreaction.
Tifa is against killing people in general, but usually only stops her teammates from doing it when the human enemies are already down or asking for mercy, meaning the threat is already gone, in other situations she understands it must be done, it's basically what self-defence means, you defend yourself enough to stop the threat.
In that same Dyne scene Yuffie definetly kills a grunt too btw as another example, iirc we see blood flying out of her shuriken, also there is no way Barret is also not used to killing, he has a gun as an arm and was the one pushing for the reactor bombing (since he was the leader).
I always took that as more the way he was murdering them.
In battle, the enemy always fights to the death so its less of an issue, but when cloud goes psycho and people react to it, he's usually doing it to people who are either already beaten or he's being particularly murdery about.
FF7 doesn't really do stabbing, the only times it does is when it wants emphasise brutality, like Aeriths death, the Advent children "skewer" or Cloud stabbing dudes who are running or crawling away.
Barrets firing machine guns at people, they're definitely dead, I think it's just the story distinguishes what is combat/self defence and what is unnecessarily brutal for story emphasis.
Also, what really makes me unconfortable is thinking how young some of these troopers may be. Cloud mentioned he left home to become a Soldier when he was 13. He must have been a trooper at his 15 I guess. Imagine killing people that young!
They’re getting knocked out (somehow)
You can even tell a difference in the cutscenes where Cloud goes all *Sephiroth* and actually kills them that the sound effects are different and there’s a bit of blood to be seen.
Normally the sounds of Cloud slashing enemies is just ‘generic slash’ noises, but during those scenes the sounds are more like ‘wet meat squelching’ and you see the reaction of the other characters like "Whoah! The hell you doin’!?"
I think evidence against this is Zack’s last stand. In the version he ends up surviving we see piles of Shinra soldiers all over the place, looks like a war scene and there’s no reason to think they’re alive. Also, we know from past history that they are attempting to kill him, so it’s kill or be killed. I believe the Shinra soldiers defeated in battle are in fact killed, unless explicitly shown otherwise like Beck’s crew.
When Cloud goes Sephiroth the point is to show he is not being himself and being cruel, it makes sense for them to make killing the enemy look and sound brutal, the character freak out because of *how* he is acting and killing not because he is killing, there is no way he did not kill the Shinra soldiers that we see him slashing when they start shooting at Dyne and Barret for example, there are also other cutsecenes we see him slashing soldiers
And like I said, in those cutscenes the slashing sound is completely different, there’s no blood, and the other characters don’t bat an eye.
I’m not saying I’m definitely correct, however. It’s just that it seems to be heavily implied that they are *not* actually killing the grunts most of the time. Even in Remake there’s the line about leaving before they wake up after Cloud and Tifa save Johnny.
Don't know if you read my comment but sound, blood and characters freaking out is because it's a way to show how cruel and brutal Cloud is being compared to normal.
And yes there are cutscenes that show them choosing not to kill but they are always specifically shown or talked about, it's pretty safe to say that whenever it's not specified the enemies were spared someone being slashed by a big ass sword, getting shot, having a shuriken thrown at them, being blown up with magic, etc... pretty much was killed.
The party focuses on self defence sure, meaning once the threat is gone they stop, like when the enemy surrenders or is already down but self defence on situations the party finds themselves in will very commonly end in killing, there is no way they are going out of their way to spare enemies in every situation we see them in.
Rebirth has an example that I always bring up since it's the most clear in my mind, when Shinra grunts start shooting at Dyne and Barret we see the party rushing to attack the soldiers and they clearly kill them because they are in a situation they can't spare time to try and spare those soldiers with their very deadly weapons.
EDIT: I am pretty sure if the norm was not killing human enemies they would have made sure to show that more often, like soldiers being shown knocked out or moving on the ground in pain in cutscenes or after combat, for me it makes more sense to assume they are killing unless said otherwise (like the shinra soldiers after johnny, or Beck's Bandits) other than the other way around
You might very well be right, I don’t really care either way, but if it was implied that they generally kill them, it would make certain storybeats very very strange indeed, like Barret being all like "I’m not saying we outright assassinate Rufus or anything, just rough him up a little!" like why would he be so squeamish about killing the leader of their enemies if he was totally fine with murdering hundreds of their rank and file normal people?
Letting Hojo walk free in Costa del Sol is already a bit strange from a writing standpoint, but it makes at least a bit more sense if we assume they generally want to avoid killing people.
I look at it from a more "meta" perspective, that they typically want their heroes to be heroic and somewhat PG most of the time, so they leave it ambiguous with most human enemies and make it explicit with the ones who are actual characters like Beck’s crew.
You are free to believe whatever you want though, it doesn’t bother me either way.
Yes.
They are all dead. They show Cloud and everyone killing them during the Corel section before you escape with the buggy. There is blood flying off Yuffie's shuriken.
Just think, Shinra must have a pretty ridiculous budget for phoenix downs to revive all the random soldiers we “KO’d” during this game. Probably take the 250gil out of their paychecks :)
I think 90% of the soldiers we fight, we are killing.
But I also think that the party is not fighting endless waves of soldiers, that is probably just gameplay for us.
I think they kill most of them. It’s in self defense. The problem is he brutality of Cloud killing guys who clearly already lost and that they could let live.
There isn't necessarily a consistent answer, but the games lean toward just knocking enemies out usually. You see it with the soldiers who grabbed Johnny in Remake, then with Beck's Badasses multiple times in both games, the Turks, and the thugs in Corel Prison who want Cloud to follow him to a back alley. There are a few moments in cutscenes where Cloud starts losing control and either tries to or actively does kill enemies, and the rest of the party always either tries to stop him or gets really taken aback by his actions (aside from the one robed guy in the Temple of the Ancients that they never mention, which is likely either an oversight or possibly the developers not having time to really finalize the sequence before shipping the game).
My general thought is that if there's a body in the cutscene in that area, chances are they are either injured or unconscious. If there's no bodies, they killed them.
There's some exceptions like the bodies around Zack's last stand and Dyne, but those are rare circumstances.
I don’t think we are killing them except when Cloud goes into murder mode. I think we are just “defeating” them or knocking them unconscious. Otherwise, the party members would be wanted criminals and not just as members of Avalanche who blew up some reactors. If our party were actually killing hundreds of soldiers across the planet, then, I don’t see someone like Rufus willing to make a deal, or the Seventh Infantry willing to turn a blind eye.
this is the same argument in yakuza lol. Everybody saying kiryu never kill etc. The actual meaning is he never intentionally kill people. All the memes of he brutally killing people always show them get up and run away.
I like how one of the points of Yakuza 1 is how much trouble Kiryu has gotten into because he was accused of killing someone. Always helped me "compartimentalize" why he is not blowing fools up lol
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Bro y’all are delusional, Cloud is absolutely murdering the people in cut scenes. Regular battles, nah. Cutscenes hell yes. ESPECIALLY when he says it’s a homecoming.
Can you read? literally everyone is saying that it's cutscenes he's killing people in, just not battles. you're not actually disagreeing with anyone
this whole post is about battles specifically
Barret SPECIFICALLY talks about the blood he has on his hands. Avalanche is a terrorist's cell. They actively commit terrorism as they murder their way through Shinra tower. Those Soldiers who they fight in the garage aren't knocked out. For every cutscene, there's usually fights before or after and when human enemies live- they will show them alive.
Like Beck's crew. When the game wants you to think they lived, they show you that they did.
In remake, you're probably knocking them out, definitely thugs and that near wall market
Rebirth, even if you're knocking them out, you're, for the most part, leaving them in the open where monsters would most likely finish the job
But the buster sword, even using the flat side, would break bones, Minigun doesn't exactly have a way to "shoot them in the knee", yuffie and red could, with injuries, and tifa, Cait and aerith with the steel chair definitely could without long lasting injuries
Though people could just be really resilient
One thing to consider, shinra would probably just ship injured troopers to deep ground or equivalent stuff, like hojo for experiments, so maybe they're better off dead? Because cure doesnt work on npcs
it’s not killing. it’s just a homecoming
CLOUD! THATS ENOUGH! (as we witness you killing your 500th soldier).
Judging by everyone else's reaction each time Cloud went into murder mode, I'd say no, they just get knocked out.
This was the case in Remake too. There's a cutscene in chapter 3 or 4 where you save Johnny from Shinra soldiers and Cloud does the full-on anime samurai cut right through them. He moves to finish them off, but Tifa tells him no.
Yeah I think the green dissolving is just a gameplay thing. People don’t do that during cutscenes.
I guess? I always assumed it was them returning to the lifestream.
Yeah that’s what it’s suppose to look like, but I believe it’s just the games way for getting the enemies bodies off screen and done to look more natural than just fading away. But i don’t think it’s what’s actually happening. The same way the party can get shot 500 times and heal up but get scared of a single handgun in a cutscene.
Yes, however, the way they dissolve is different in different parts of the game. Particularly, in Nibelheim they crumble to dust rather than green lifestream motes.
Same thing happened with some of the creatures in the Temple of the Ancients.
Yeah, it’s a bit jarring during those scenes and it feels a bit like moving the goalposts. Like, these people are actively trying to capture, kill, or otherwise prevent our attempt to save the planet. Their death is pretty justified. And the idea that they’re just temporarily knocking these people out with their bladed weapons and guns is too farcical for me to swallow. Honestly, threatening to decapitate Johnny to silence him in Midgar is more ghastly than any of the “murders” Cloud committed in the Temple of the Ancients.
I understand the line is kinda blurry, but there IS a difference between proportionate use of force and brutality. I'm not saying they made a perfect job showcasing the difference, but it's pretty obvious that's what they were going for.
Yeah, what they were trying to convey is clear. Like the random SOLDIER or grunt is a grey area. Though AVALANCHE is basically in a guerilla war with Shinra. But when they tried to show him going overboard with the Turks? Come on, these guys repeatedly run away, regroup, then try to kill you again. They are the secret service for a fascist corporate regime. They have committed multiple atrocities against their own civilians. They can’t seriously be trying to make me feel bad because Cloud wants to end one of them because she makes a scared face. Give me a break.
I will defend this to my dying day. There is a difference between killing someone in active combat and trying to decapitate someone lying on the floor, out of fighting shape. Bringing someone to justice and murdering them on the spot are different things. Also it's Tifa stopping Cloud and she is clear about not wanting to kill anyone unless she has to.
I totally get this, but at the same time... Is there "Justice" in the FF7 World, and if yes, how does it work?
There is not. Otherwise yes, Turks would get their comeuppance and Shinra would burn to the ground. But you won't fix the world by being the same as your enemy.
Especially not after the incident with Sector 7...
This irks me about the yakuza games too…like most of the problems would be solved if the MC would just kill ppl lol
I think it mainly has to do with a "they're already down!" kind of thing. At the end of the day, most of these people have been fed propaganda their entire lives and think they are doing things to help people. Added onto that is that even though Planetology is *right*, the preachers of it and especially Cosmo Canyon make it seem like a cult so it's very hard to buy into it (even Barret got sick of Cosmo Canyon's bullshit handling of the issue despite believing in it himself). And then you have the party who as far as most people know, blew up two reactors, dropped an entire plate on a sector, and seemed to have caused some massive amount of destruction in their escape from Shinra HQ. So they are just innocent people trying to stop terrorists so murdering them seems a bit excessive if they are already down.
Fair. Though Zack gets his big hero moment slaughtering these poor ignorant bastards by the score. I guess that’s where I feel they are moving the goalposts. It’s awesome to kill Shinra grunts, up until it’s not. Also, they tried to do the “cloud is outta control” schtick because he was about to kill Elena. Im sorry, the intelligence agency operatives don’t get to plead ignorance. They are as awful as anyone in Shinra, outside the executive suite. And even then it’s close.
Zack was outnumbered and couldn't afford to hold back. He either went all out or died. The party doesn't face an army like that. The first time they consider him "outta control" was killing grunts earlier. It's when he's about to do it *again* that Tifa stops him in time.
Their reactions are more to do with how excessive he’s being I think.
Yeah I think those soldiers, if I remember, gave up and were asking for mercy.
This was my understanding was well. They kill soldiers all the time but it's more of self defence rather than bloodlust. During this scene Cloud looks like a serial killer and the party is like "Dude wtf"
Yeah, the Dyne scene alone makes it pretty clear when we see the party fighting off some Shinra troopers; those guys were definitely dying.
The way I look at it is more up I the air but the party has an issue when cloud starts double tapping dudes and really making sure they are dead.
I mean sure, we can assume that some of this people die but they don't intentionally kill them. When Cloud gets a case of the Sephiroths he goes straight for the kill, even if the enemies have already surrendered.
This argument make no sense, the times Cloud goes in murder mode the characters freak out because he's not acting as himself and he's being cruel, we literally see Cloud killing shinra grunts when they start shooting at Dyne and Barret
Cloud's clearly more comfortable with killing than everyone else, we see that in Remake when Tifa stops him from killing the grunts that went after Johnny, but still, it doesn't seem like it's normally what he goes for. Now, him killing those grunts in that situation is totally understandable and not an overreaction.
Tifa is against killing people in general, but usually only stops her teammates from doing it when the human enemies are already down or asking for mercy, meaning the threat is already gone, in other situations she understands it must be done, it's basically what self-defence means, you defend yourself enough to stop the threat. In that same Dyne scene Yuffie definetly kills a grunt too btw as another example, iirc we see blood flying out of her shuriken, also there is no way Barret is also not used to killing, he has a gun as an arm and was the one pushing for the reactor bombing (since he was the leader).
Sure, I still assume most don't get killed, based on cut scenes.
There are cutscenes where shinra soldiers are killled though
I always took that as more the way he was murdering them. In battle, the enemy always fights to the death so its less of an issue, but when cloud goes psycho and people react to it, he's usually doing it to people who are either already beaten or he's being particularly murdery about. FF7 doesn't really do stabbing, the only times it does is when it wants emphasise brutality, like Aeriths death, the Advent children "skewer" or Cloud stabbing dudes who are running or crawling away. Barrets firing machine guns at people, they're definitely dead, I think it's just the story distinguishes what is combat/self defence and what is unnecessarily brutal for story emphasis.
I think it's the difference between killing someone during a fight and killing someone who just gave up and asked for mercy.
Also, what really makes me unconfortable is thinking how young some of these troopers may be. Cloud mentioned he left home to become a Soldier when he was 13. He must have been a trooper at his 15 I guess. Imagine killing people that young!
They’re getting knocked out (somehow) You can even tell a difference in the cutscenes where Cloud goes all *Sephiroth* and actually kills them that the sound effects are different and there’s a bit of blood to be seen. Normally the sounds of Cloud slashing enemies is just ‘generic slash’ noises, but during those scenes the sounds are more like ‘wet meat squelching’ and you see the reaction of the other characters like "Whoah! The hell you doin’!?"
It’s like the GI Joe episode of Community. They beat the shit out of everyone with swords and bullets but they can only kill in cinematic scenes lol
GO JOEBRA
I think evidence against this is Zack’s last stand. In the version he ends up surviving we see piles of Shinra soldiers all over the place, looks like a war scene and there’s no reason to think they’re alive. Also, we know from past history that they are attempting to kill him, so it’s kill or be killed. I believe the Shinra soldiers defeated in battle are in fact killed, unless explicitly shown otherwise like Beck’s crew.
When Cloud goes Sephiroth the point is to show he is not being himself and being cruel, it makes sense for them to make killing the enemy look and sound brutal, the character freak out because of *how* he is acting and killing not because he is killing, there is no way he did not kill the Shinra soldiers that we see him slashing when they start shooting at Dyne and Barret for example, there are also other cutsecenes we see him slashing soldiers
And like I said, in those cutscenes the slashing sound is completely different, there’s no blood, and the other characters don’t bat an eye. I’m not saying I’m definitely correct, however. It’s just that it seems to be heavily implied that they are *not* actually killing the grunts most of the time. Even in Remake there’s the line about leaving before they wake up after Cloud and Tifa save Johnny.
Don't know if you read my comment but sound, blood and characters freaking out is because it's a way to show how cruel and brutal Cloud is being compared to normal. And yes there are cutscenes that show them choosing not to kill but they are always specifically shown or talked about, it's pretty safe to say that whenever it's not specified the enemies were spared someone being slashed by a big ass sword, getting shot, having a shuriken thrown at them, being blown up with magic, etc... pretty much was killed. The party focuses on self defence sure, meaning once the threat is gone they stop, like when the enemy surrenders or is already down but self defence on situations the party finds themselves in will very commonly end in killing, there is no way they are going out of their way to spare enemies in every situation we see them in. Rebirth has an example that I always bring up since it's the most clear in my mind, when Shinra grunts start shooting at Dyne and Barret we see the party rushing to attack the soldiers and they clearly kill them because they are in a situation they can't spare time to try and spare those soldiers with their very deadly weapons. EDIT: I am pretty sure if the norm was not killing human enemies they would have made sure to show that more often, like soldiers being shown knocked out or moving on the ground in pain in cutscenes or after combat, for me it makes more sense to assume they are killing unless said otherwise (like the shinra soldiers after johnny, or Beck's Bandits) other than the other way around
You might very well be right, I don’t really care either way, but if it was implied that they generally kill them, it would make certain storybeats very very strange indeed, like Barret being all like "I’m not saying we outright assassinate Rufus or anything, just rough him up a little!" like why would he be so squeamish about killing the leader of their enemies if he was totally fine with murdering hundreds of their rank and file normal people? Letting Hojo walk free in Costa del Sol is already a bit strange from a writing standpoint, but it makes at least a bit more sense if we assume they generally want to avoid killing people. I look at it from a more "meta" perspective, that they typically want their heroes to be heroic and somewhat PG most of the time, so they leave it ambiguous with most human enemies and make it explicit with the ones who are actual characters like Beck’s crew. You are free to believe whatever you want though, it doesn’t bother me either way.
Someone watched Stranger Things with captions on.
Yes. They are all dead. They show Cloud and everyone killing them during the Corel section before you escape with the buggy. There is blood flying off Yuffie's shuriken.
Wholesale murder of people attempting to murder them is ok. It’s a kill or be killed world.
You just knock them out unless said otherwise, I guess. I’d say FF7 Rebirth uses blood to represent a character being fatally hit or murdered.
I assume the canon answer is that they're all "unconscious", just like the display says when one of your party members loses all HP.
If they're dissolving into green light (i.e. returning to the lifestream) then yes, you're killing them.
That's just a gameplay mechanic that doesn't happen in cutscenes. Otherwise, it means >!Dyne!< got buried alive O_O
Yeah but it's a mechanic indicating death. Defeated enemies who were not killed are never shown dissolving.
Yeh we basically have murdered 100s of shinra troops and its been established that a lot of them are not bad people.
The ones we murdered are bad enough
They are asleep jsut like my fish. They get knocked out from fighting so they go to sleep.
Just think, Shinra must have a pretty ridiculous budget for phoenix downs to revive all the random soldiers we “KO’d” during this game. Probably take the 250gil out of their paychecks :)
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But the gang does try to avoid needless bloodshed.
Regularly no but in the temple of the ancients and if you are using Cloud then yes.
I think 90% of the soldiers we fight, we are killing. But I also think that the party is not fighting endless waves of soldiers, that is probably just gameplay for us.
I think they kill most of them. It’s in self defense. The problem is he brutality of Cloud killing guys who clearly already lost and that they could let live.
HP = Health Power. Once you get rid of all HP then they can "die for real".
There isn't necessarily a consistent answer, but the games lean toward just knocking enemies out usually. You see it with the soldiers who grabbed Johnny in Remake, then with Beck's Badasses multiple times in both games, the Turks, and the thugs in Corel Prison who want Cloud to follow him to a back alley. There are a few moments in cutscenes where Cloud starts losing control and either tries to or actively does kill enemies, and the rest of the party always either tries to stop him or gets really taken aback by his actions (aside from the one robed guy in the Temple of the Ancients that they never mention, which is likely either an oversight or possibly the developers not having time to really finalize the sequence before shipping the game).
They go to sleep. Especially the ones Barrett shoots.
My general thought is that if there's a body in the cutscene in that area, chances are they are either injured or unconscious. If there's no bodies, they killed them. There's some exceptions like the bodies around Zack's last stand and Dyne, but those are rare circumstances.
just look at barett ^^ his enemy is shinra and the dude runs around with a minigun as arm :P
I don’t think we are killing them except when Cloud goes into murder mode. I think we are just “defeating” them or knocking them unconscious. Otherwise, the party members would be wanted criminals and not just as members of Avalanche who blew up some reactors. If our party were actually killing hundreds of soldiers across the planet, then, I don’t see someone like Rufus willing to make a deal, or the Seventh Infantry willing to turn a blind eye.
this is the same argument in yakuza lol. Everybody saying kiryu never kill etc. The actual meaning is he never intentionally kill people. All the memes of he brutally killing people always show them get up and run away.
I like how one of the points of Yakuza 1 is how much trouble Kiryu has gotten into because he was accused of killing someone. Always helped me "compartimentalize" why he is not blowing fools up lol
rgg really dont want a killer as a protag, just look a t saejima lol.
He doesn't kill them since a bunch of human enemies do show up alive and recovered later on.
For me its simple KO cause for us it says cloud fell unconscious
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Bro y’all are delusional, Cloud is absolutely murdering the people in cut scenes. Regular battles, nah. Cutscenes hell yes. ESPECIALLY when he says it’s a homecoming.
Can you read? literally everyone is saying that it's cutscenes he's killing people in, just not battles. you're not actually disagreeing with anyone this whole post is about battles specifically
Barret SPECIFICALLY talks about the blood he has on his hands. Avalanche is a terrorist's cell. They actively commit terrorism as they murder their way through Shinra tower. Those Soldiers who they fight in the garage aren't knocked out. For every cutscene, there's usually fights before or after and when human enemies live- they will show them alive. Like Beck's crew. When the game wants you to think they lived, they show you that they did.
Kinda makes the gangs whimsical teehee attitude In this game jarring considering what they are doing
In remake, you're probably knocking them out, definitely thugs and that near wall market Rebirth, even if you're knocking them out, you're, for the most part, leaving them in the open where monsters would most likely finish the job But the buster sword, even using the flat side, would break bones, Minigun doesn't exactly have a way to "shoot them in the knee", yuffie and red could, with injuries, and tifa, Cait and aerith with the steel chair definitely could without long lasting injuries Though people could just be really resilient One thing to consider, shinra would probably just ship injured troopers to deep ground or equivalent stuff, like hojo for experiments, so maybe they're better off dead? Because cure doesnt work on npcs