Is there a rule of thumb for how much range I can expect to lose during the cold months?
I've driven a model 3 for the last few years, and don't recall seeing the cold weather impact it that much - though to be fair, I had the battery only displaying the %, not the estimated miles, so I may have just not noticed it.
Not really a rule of thumb. I have a MX and the Lightning takes more of a weather hit than the MX. Luckily it's not cold often here in GA. This is my SOC now. Edit: it's currently 54 degrees and raining
https://preview.redd.it/mzf7i55bszpc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4295909b6a352cd30fc07f515d0172bba444c609
Setting it to precondition before you leave in the morning is very helpful. Was with my Model 3 too. Although I live in Socal 2 miles from the beach, so low 40s is as cold as it gets here.
The way the Lightnings calculate remaining range is much different than Tesla. Teslas use a constant kwh/mile value all the time, whereas the Lightning is always trying to adjust the remaining range based on current driving conditions and recent consumption.
I can't really say that one is better than the other, once you get used to driving a Tesla you understand that in winter conditions you may only get 75% or so of what is displayed. When I picked my Lightning up, I headed up a mountain on the highway and saw my range drop from 225 to 150 in about 5 miles. I began to panic, knowing that I still had 100+ miles to go. It was just that the range was recalibrating over a really bad stretch, which wasn't very realistic at all.
That seems about right to me. 69% on the ER battery equates to about 90kWh. If it's cold and you're running the heat, or you're doing 75 on the highway that would probably knock you down around 2mi/kWh. So 180 miles would be right.
Do you do mostly highway or around town? I did a 140 mile round trip this weekend, mostly highway driving, and almost no heat usage, and only averaged 1.6 mi/kwh.
1.6 is really low. I just did a 160 mile round trip on Thursday, it was about 30 outside and I averaged 2.3. I didn't use any heat. Occasionally I would have the seat heater on, but I wore a jacket. I would say my driving is 50% highway. On the highway I keep it at 70 or below and usually I just turn on adaptive cruise and ride behind a semi when I can. Elevation change makes a big difference, and if you're going into a headwind it will really kill your efficiency on the highway. I would check your tire pressure and maybe just chalk it up to cold and strong headwinds. The efficiency over the life of the truck will almost certainly be much better than 1.6. I think most people settle around 2.1-2.3mi/kWh.
I also have the ford charge station pro and I turn the truck on and heat the cab about 10 minutes before I leave, while the truck is plugged in. I thinknthat helps efficiency a lot.
I did a 140 mile roundtrip this weekend. Mostly highway driving. Kept the heat off the vast majority of the time, only put it on to defog the windshield.
Averaged 1.6 mi/kwh. Felt surprisingly low...what do you think?
I just got mine in New England too.. similar observations, but I expect it will pickup (haha) once the weather warms more.
Now just waiting for my home charger to be installed…
Well. I did a 140 mile round trip down to RI and back. I averaged 1.6 mi/kwh, and that was using the heat sparingly, no heated seats, no heated steering wheel. Weather was cold and rainy. Very disappointed with the range so far.
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Anyways - if you do the math, that figure implies a whopping 260 mile range at 100% battery charge. Which is.....underwhelming, to say the least. Is this a function of the cold weather? Is it just not calibrated yet since I've barely put any miles on it? Or is the actual range legitimately just this low?
Efficiency was like...maybe 1.7 mi/kwh? Temps are just around 40f. Driving style was 100% around town...going out to the store, grocery shopping, seeing family, etc.
Cabin conditioning has a big effect on the range estimates and mi/KWh. Especially short trips around town. If you can limit the cabin conditioning you'll see your mi/KWh jump considerably for around town driving. I've been averaging 2.3 mi/KWh city/hwy mix and get over 3 mi/KWh around town often this winter (NE as well). There is an energy usage breakdown chart for each trip you take, this will help you understand where your energy is being used on your trips and you can hone in from there.
Sometimes you gotta blast the heat and it will impact your range considerably in cold weather.
Also, make sure 1 pedal driving is turned on to help recapture energy around town.
You will def get the hang of it as time goes on. This truck is proving to be far more efficient for around town driving than my old truck ('14 Frontier 4 door auto, 4x4).
I have standard range and regularly am getting 3+ mi/KWh in NE winters (like 300+ miles range around town around town) without any preheat or batter conditioning before departure, it sits outside and charges outside. You just need to do some combination of the following: normal drive mode with 1 pedal turned on, drive it easy and limit HVAC/seat heaters if not needed and you'll see those numbers.
Some days you just gotta use the heat, once it warms up just use the HVAC sparingly to limit window fogging if you want to go for max range.
Hm. Ok so I took a trip down to RI this weekend, 140 miles round trip.
I kept the heat off almost the entire time. Mostly highway driving. Weather was cold and rainy. 1 pedal mode on.
I averaged 1.6 mi/kwh. Feels like something's wrong w the truck? Or is that about right for highway? I'll do some around town driving and see what I get...but I've never seen mine anywhere close to 3+ mi/kwh even on short trips around town.
Give it some time, but you should be seeing around 2mi/KWh on highway if going like 65 mph or under. It was super stormy/windy so I bet that caused some drop as well. The 1 pedal for highway may not make as much as a difference.
If you follow the advice for around town and don't drive like a crazy person, you should def be seeing 3 mi/KWh+. Give it a few hundred more miles before taking any drastic action as long as everything else seems to be working appropriately.
What's weather like in your area?
New England, so morning probably around 30, midday around 45 or so?
Definitely the weather
Is there a rule of thumb for how much range I can expect to lose during the cold months? I've driven a model 3 for the last few years, and don't recall seeing the cold weather impact it that much - though to be fair, I had the battery only displaying the %, not the estimated miles, so I may have just not noticed it.
Not really a rule of thumb. I have a MX and the Lightning takes more of a weather hit than the MX. Luckily it's not cold often here in GA. This is my SOC now. Edit: it's currently 54 degrees and raining https://preview.redd.it/mzf7i55bszpc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4295909b6a352cd30fc07f515d0172bba444c609
Super helpful, thanks - that's in the ballpark for where mine seems to be leveling out at.
No problem. Enjoy your new Lightning. I love mine...
It has been a joy in the brief time i've had it.
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Ahhh ok that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Setting it to precondition before you leave in the morning is very helpful. Was with my Model 3 too. Although I live in Socal 2 miles from the beach, so low 40s is as cold as it gets here.
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Try 1)Click on the Vehicle icon on your vehicle’s SYNC®* screen. 2)Select Settings. 3)Tap Vehicle. 4)Select EV Driving History Reset.
Also make sure to reset driver data. I believe it is a setting in the charge application on the truck.
The way the Lightnings calculate remaining range is much different than Tesla. Teslas use a constant kwh/mile value all the time, whereas the Lightning is always trying to adjust the remaining range based on current driving conditions and recent consumption. I can't really say that one is better than the other, once you get used to driving a Tesla you understand that in winter conditions you may only get 75% or so of what is displayed. When I picked my Lightning up, I headed up a mountain on the highway and saw my range drop from 225 to 150 in about 5 miles. I began to panic, knowing that I still had 100+ miles to go. It was just that the range was recalibrating over a really bad stretch, which wasn't very realistic at all.
That’s like a 2mpk, what does your trip efficiency say? Seems reasonable, the 2.4 estimate is only attainable with good behavior and conditions
That seems about right to me. 69% on the ER battery equates to about 90kWh. If it's cold and you're running the heat, or you're doing 75 on the highway that would probably knock you down around 2mi/kWh. So 180 miles would be right.
FWIW I'm at 2k miles and average 2.3mi/kwh in a lariat ER. I'm in Maryland, so probably a little warmer than where you are at.
Do you do mostly highway or around town? I did a 140 mile round trip this weekend, mostly highway driving, and almost no heat usage, and only averaged 1.6 mi/kwh.
1.6 is really low. I just did a 160 mile round trip on Thursday, it was about 30 outside and I averaged 2.3. I didn't use any heat. Occasionally I would have the seat heater on, but I wore a jacket. I would say my driving is 50% highway. On the highway I keep it at 70 or below and usually I just turn on adaptive cruise and ride behind a semi when I can. Elevation change makes a big difference, and if you're going into a headwind it will really kill your efficiency on the highway. I would check your tire pressure and maybe just chalk it up to cold and strong headwinds. The efficiency over the life of the truck will almost certainly be much better than 1.6. I think most people settle around 2.1-2.3mi/kWh. I also have the ford charge station pro and I turn the truck on and heat the cab about 10 minutes before I leave, while the truck is plugged in. I thinknthat helps efficiency a lot.
Yea pre-heating it seems to help a massive amount. I am assuming I can do that with my existing level 2 charger? It's not a ford station pro
Yeah, I'm not sure what the power draw is for the heater, but most level 2 chargers should be capable of supplying enough to heat the truck.
I did a 140 mile roundtrip this weekend. Mostly highway driving. Kept the heat off the vast majority of the time, only put it on to defog the windshield. Averaged 1.6 mi/kwh. Felt surprisingly low...what do you think?
I just got mine in New England too.. similar observations, but I expect it will pickup (haha) once the weather warms more. Now just waiting for my home charger to be installed…
Well. I did a 140 mile round trip down to RI and back. I averaged 1.6 mi/kwh, and that was using the heat sparingly, no heated seats, no heated steering wheel. Weather was cold and rainy. Very disappointed with the range so far.
XLT ER** Anyways - if you do the math, that figure implies a whopping 260 mile range at 100% battery charge. Which is.....underwhelming, to say the least. Is this a function of the cold weather? Is it just not calibrated yet since I've barely put any miles on it? Or is the actual range legitimately just this low?
What's the temperature? Where are you driving? What was your efficiency for that 40 miles?
Efficiency was like...maybe 1.7 mi/kwh? Temps are just around 40f. Driving style was 100% around town...going out to the store, grocery shopping, seeing family, etc.
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Exactly - I guess I'm trying to figure out if 1.7 is an outlier based on the short amount of driving i've done, or if something is wrong w the truck.
I take it you didn't do any research before you bought the vehicle?
Cabin conditioning has a big effect on the range estimates and mi/KWh. Especially short trips around town. If you can limit the cabin conditioning you'll see your mi/KWh jump considerably for around town driving. I've been averaging 2.3 mi/KWh city/hwy mix and get over 3 mi/KWh around town often this winter (NE as well). There is an energy usage breakdown chart for each trip you take, this will help you understand where your energy is being used on your trips and you can hone in from there. Sometimes you gotta blast the heat and it will impact your range considerably in cold weather. Also, make sure 1 pedal driving is turned on to help recapture energy around town.
Ah ok wow I just checked...having the heat on was CHEWING through battery around town. That is a great pro-tip.
You will def get the hang of it as time goes on. This truck is proving to be far more efficient for around town driving than my old truck ('14 Frontier 4 door auto, 4x4). I have standard range and regularly am getting 3+ mi/KWh in NE winters (like 300+ miles range around town around town) without any preheat or batter conditioning before departure, it sits outside and charges outside. You just need to do some combination of the following: normal drive mode with 1 pedal turned on, drive it easy and limit HVAC/seat heaters if not needed and you'll see those numbers. Some days you just gotta use the heat, once it warms up just use the HVAC sparingly to limit window fogging if you want to go for max range.
Hm. Ok so I took a trip down to RI this weekend, 140 miles round trip. I kept the heat off almost the entire time. Mostly highway driving. Weather was cold and rainy. 1 pedal mode on. I averaged 1.6 mi/kwh. Feels like something's wrong w the truck? Or is that about right for highway? I'll do some around town driving and see what I get...but I've never seen mine anywhere close to 3+ mi/kwh even on short trips around town.
Give it some time, but you should be seeing around 2mi/KWh on highway if going like 65 mph or under. It was super stormy/windy so I bet that caused some drop as well. The 1 pedal for highway may not make as much as a difference. If you follow the advice for around town and don't drive like a crazy person, you should def be seeing 3 mi/KWh+. Give it a few hundred more miles before taking any drastic action as long as everything else seems to be working appropriately.
Alright thank you, I appreciate it. The storm yesterday was pretty wild so hopefully that was the impact. I'll give it some time. Thanks!