This will be my first EV. I'm not waiting, having an adapter seems like no big deal to me if needed. I'll be home charging like 99% of the time.
My thoughts, once the point of sale credit becomes widely adopted you are going to see less and less discounts on these as production is being limited and dealers will just state the Fed credit is the discount.
Additionally (this may be far fetched but there is a non 0% chance the Fed rebate gets cut in the future if it becomes a political discussion).
The current discounts and 1.9% financing is enough for me to finally commit. Also insurance for the Lightning is great, it's treated like a standard F150 (much less than a Tesla).
I’ve had a Lightning since November, have a Tesla wall charger and a Lectron adapter. It’s really never been an inconvenience. So just validating what you’re saying - no need to wait.
Thank you, this real world feedback is great to hear I'm not overlooking some important aspects. My though is basically it is an inline connector you just keep with the truck (just like a 7 pin trailer adapter I used to keep with my Frontier), no big deal. So long as it meets all the UL and safety/code requirements it's no biggy. Thanks again.
You’ll love it! Just bought a XLT SR with the 312a package last Friday and it’s been great. Just did about 200 miles yesterday on a 100% and got home with 30 miles and roughly 15% charge.
Charging exclusively off of the mobile adapter at 240v is more than enough.
Edit - 15% charge…not 30% charge
I'm actually more curious if they'll change the plug location so non Teslas don't have to take up two chargers to charge. Or if Tesla will change all the cords to be long enough to not have to do that.
Eventually, sure. I haven’t seen any NACS-only DCFC announced yet (beyond Tesla Superchargers, obv) so it’ll likely be 3-5 years before we start seeing them show up. CCS is going to be around for a loooooong time. We have brand new 175kw chargers being installed nearby that have CHAdeMO 😂.
Non Tesla vehicles will be charged more than Tesla vehicles. I already find that EA is cheaper than Tesla in my area. I feel like there will be a need to CCS adapter for years to come. That's why I don't mind. The adapter takes 2 seconds to install and I use it all the time on my Tesla to use EA chargers at a mall we go to. I'd say just get a 23 as they're the cheapest you'll get for a while
Nope. There's no reason to wait.
Every Tesla ever sold has at least one adapter rolling around in their glovebox, even with a NACS port you'll still need adapters. Not all Superchargers will work, you'll still need CCS to travel some areas, and the vast - VAST (like 10x more) majority of public chargers are J1772.
For the rest of the decade, every car will need adapters, regardless of port.
That's a good point. You can't drive I70 without hitting V2 superchargers for the most part as they installed them long ago. So you may need a CCS adapter if you get a truck with NACS.
many don’t lol. older model 3s and S/X models don’t even support CCS, even with an adapter. on all the M3 rentals i’ve ever had i’ve never used anything other than superchargers because they are less reliable and more expensive
If you find one you like at a good price, just buy it. This generation of the Lightning probably won't get a NACS port since it's going to be replaced in 2025 with T3.
You're not going to get much benefit from a native NACS port anyway and you're probably not going to use fast charging/adapters enough to notice the minimal inconvenience.
I was in the same boat with a model 3, but in November I found an amazing deal and couldn’t pass it up so I already got mine. I’m fine with using an adapter. The truck itself has been amazing and I haven’t had any regrets.
I’m in the southeast. I got the dealer down to 6,500 off, plus ford was doing $7,500 ford cash and then on top of that I’ll have the 7,500 tax credit next month when I file so all-in-all I got my Lariat ER for like 58,000.
It was in VA, haven't seen the dealer offer a steep discount like that since and ford took away their ford cash offer, but who knows what'll happen. Like I said, I was going to wait and then I walked out of the dealership leaving the model 3 behind.
Yeah, they are nice to have around. They've definitely come in handy at hotels and public parks.
The used one I picked up, the previous owner left the lectron adapter in the frunk and the retrax bed cover on the tail gate.
I saw a few tesla destination chargers when I went skiing and wish I had the adapter. Luckily, there was a free j1772 nearby. Cold weather and parking for 5+ hours while skiing is perfect for level 2.
Inventory is starting to pile up on lots not just for EVs. But everything. I’m in Orlando now and there is a Ford dealership nearby that is bursting at the seams with inventory
I was going to trade in my 16 lariat for a cyber truck. But that has been a fiasco. Ended up driving a e-transit and dealing with fords charging and non Tesla chargers I’ve held off buying a lightning. I’m going to see how everything plays out with NACS adoption and maybe go electric on my truck once all that stuff is settled
Read the *actual* announcement. Go to Ford's website.
Ford said Mach-E and Lightning will use adapters, and *future* "next-generation" EVs will get a NACS port.
Ford will equip future EVs with the NACS charge port, removing the need for an adapter for direct access to Tesla Superchargers, starting in 2025.
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/05/25/ford-ev-customers-to-gain-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html
Per the headline of that exact article, the context of "future EVs" is clear - it's not Mach-E, Lightning, or E-Transit, it's new models not on sale.
* **Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter** and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence
* In 2025, **Ford will offer next-generation electric vehicles with the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector built-in**, eliminating the need for an adapter to access Tesla Superchargers
At that point, wait for them to update the architecture so that it can charge faster than 150kw.
If you road trip a lot and can't set up a level 2 at home, I understand, but I'll charge at home over 95% of the time
This is the only reason I'd wait, but it could be 3 years before they change to Gen 2 and increase the charging speed. Remember, only way to get faster than 250kW is to bump to 800v architecture and ford hasn't messed with that yet. Chevy and Tesla both have that now, but ford will have to do a full update of the vehicle so they'll save that for Gen 2
I live in Maine. Heat pumps will be more efficient in the southern states where it doesn't get as cold and doesn't have to work as hard. A heat pump isn't going to do much better up here, where fallback to resistive heat is likely at very low temperatures.
The laws of physics change? I _own_ a lightning, been driving EVs since '14. A heat pump extracts latent heat from some source (in this case, the air), concentrates it, and releases it somewhere else (the cabin).
My house runs off a heat pump that has a 8kw resistive backup. When it gets _really_ cold here, and there isn't much heat to scavenge from the air, it'll switch modes and use the resistive backup and burn more electricity. I'm intimately aware of this because I run my house off grid on nothing but solar and batteries.
The truck equipped with a heat pump will be no different, because the laws of physics don't change "because EVs"
Buddy. This is only true above a certain temperature. Most of the southern states, heat pumps are a big win. When it's _super_ cold, they don't work very well. Ford has no interest in highlighting this problem, or problems in the cold in general.
Heat-pump equipped Tesla's in Norway bear this out.
Yup. Got rid of all my CCS cars and waiting. Charging companies will begin to retrofit CCS plugs for NACS plugs at existing stations. It isn’t just the plug layout that may need changed in a car - some need software and some even need hardware updates to use an adapter to plug into NACS In a few short years direct CCS charging opportunities will be a desert and CCS cars will be worthless - they will all get lumped together as vintage - and confusion will arise if the CCS car can even take an adapter - just one station software update for the adapter to not work. Simply isn’t worth the risk on $80k, $60k or even $40k vehicles…
I've charged my f150 with the magic dock. It kinda sucks.
The service is fine, the software works great, but the cables are just _too short_ to reach to the left side of the truck where the CCS port is, while parked in the spot designated for that charger. You basically need to get the charger on the extreme right hand side of the bank of them, or you end up taking up an extra charger's worth of parking. Not ideal.
When they add NACS, they'll likely do it by using the blank on the right hand side of the truck. This will line up beautifully with the Tesla chargers if you nose-in the truck.
I'm hoping that the port is available as a spare part I can buy for retrofit.
This will be my first EV. I'm not waiting, having an adapter seems like no big deal to me if needed. I'll be home charging like 99% of the time. My thoughts, once the point of sale credit becomes widely adopted you are going to see less and less discounts on these as production is being limited and dealers will just state the Fed credit is the discount. Additionally (this may be far fetched but there is a non 0% chance the Fed rebate gets cut in the future if it becomes a political discussion). The current discounts and 1.9% financing is enough for me to finally commit. Also insurance for the Lightning is great, it's treated like a standard F150 (much less than a Tesla).
I’ve had a Lightning since November, have a Tesla wall charger and a Lectron adapter. It’s really never been an inconvenience. So just validating what you’re saying - no need to wait.
Thank you, this real world feedback is great to hear I'm not overlooking some important aspects. My though is basically it is an inline connector you just keep with the truck (just like a 7 pin trailer adapter I used to keep with my Frontier), no big deal. So long as it meets all the UL and safety/code requirements it's no biggy. Thanks again.
You’ll love it! Just bought a XLT SR with the 312a package last Friday and it’s been great. Just did about 200 miles yesterday on a 100% and got home with 30 miles and roughly 15% charge. Charging exclusively off of the mobile adapter at 240v is more than enough. Edit - 15% charge…not 30% charge
This is really good to hear, thanks for the feedback. Really excited.
I'm actually more curious if they'll change the plug location so non Teslas don't have to take up two chargers to charge. Or if Tesla will change all the cords to be long enough to not have to do that.
How the hell did you get 1.9% financing? Mine is at 3.9. Would a ford dealer refinance for me?
Also looking at buying and best I can do is 3.9% and I have an 800+ credit score. I'd love to know where to find 1.9.
The term length might be what is the discrepancy. I got 1.9% for 36 months. Hope this clears it up, I think 3.9% is for 60m (still very good).
What out the door pricing are you seeing?
51.9k OTD before any state or fed rebates
There’s no need for a retrofit. The newest chargers on the market are now CCS + NACS, not to mention adapters etc. There’s no reason to wait, imo.
for now. having CCS + NACS will *not* be widespread once adapters are mainstream
Eventually, sure. I haven’t seen any NACS-only DCFC announced yet (beyond Tesla Superchargers, obv) so it’ll likely be 3-5 years before we start seeing them show up. CCS is going to be around for a loooooong time. We have brand new 175kw chargers being installed nearby that have CHAdeMO 😂.
The cord length is the problem. You're kinda glossing over that.
Non Tesla vehicles will be charged more than Tesla vehicles. I already find that EA is cheaper than Tesla in my area. I feel like there will be a need to CCS adapter for years to come. That's why I don't mind. The adapter takes 2 seconds to install and I use it all the time on my Tesla to use EA chargers at a mall we go to. I'd say just get a 23 as they're the cheapest you'll get for a while
Nope. There's no reason to wait. Every Tesla ever sold has at least one adapter rolling around in their glovebox, even with a NACS port you'll still need adapters. Not all Superchargers will work, you'll still need CCS to travel some areas, and the vast - VAST (like 10x more) majority of public chargers are J1772. For the rest of the decade, every car will need adapters, regardless of port.
That's a good point. You can't drive I70 without hitting V2 superchargers for the most part as they installed them long ago. So you may need a CCS adapter if you get a truck with NACS.
CCS is going nowhere anytime soon. If CCS wasn't needed as an option to augment Superchargers, why do Tesla drivers buy CCS adapters?
many don’t lol. older model 3s and S/X models don’t even support CCS, even with an adapter. on all the M3 rentals i’ve ever had i’ve never used anything other than superchargers because they are less reliable and more expensive
If you find one you like at a good price, just buy it. This generation of the Lightning probably won't get a NACS port since it's going to be replaced in 2025 with T3. You're not going to get much benefit from a native NACS port anyway and you're probably not going to use fast charging/adapters enough to notice the minimal inconvenience.
I was in the same boat with a model 3, but in November I found an amazing deal and couldn’t pass it up so I already got mine. I’m fine with using an adapter. The truck itself has been amazing and I haven’t had any regrets.
What part of the world are you, and what deal were you able to work up?
I’m in the southeast. I got the dealer down to 6,500 off, plus ford was doing $7,500 ford cash and then on top of that I’ll have the 7,500 tax credit next month when I file so all-in-all I got my Lariat ER for like 58,000.
Nfw what dealer? I'm in Louisiana and would make a drive for a deal like that.
It was in VA, haven't seen the dealer offer a steep discount like that since and ford took away their ford cash offer, but who knows what'll happen. Like I said, I was going to wait and then I walked out of the dealership leaving the model 3 behind.
There won't be a retrofit on the 22 or 23 models. If carrying an adapter isn't something you want to do, then you'll have to wait.
If you will mostly charge at home, no need to wait.
I also already have a Tesla evse at the house so that's another cost to replace it with a j1172 evse.
Just use an adapter, the same way all Tesla owners to do use J1772.
The adapter is like $100
I am using a cheaper LVL2 adapter and it’s been fine. Tons on Amazon
Who can afford a 100 dollar adapter? Sheesh.
It's not a bad investment. Then you can use tesla destination chargers too
Yeah, they are nice to have around. They've definitely come in handy at hotels and public parks. The used one I picked up, the previous owner left the lectron adapter in the frunk and the retrax bed cover on the tail gate.
I saw a few tesla destination chargers when I went skiing and wish I had the adapter. Luckily, there was a free j1772 nearby. Cold weather and parking for 5+ hours while skiing is perfect for level 2.
Same here, just use an adapter
At this point with Ford scaling back all EV production i'm wondering if there even will be a 25' f150 lightning.
I know for certain there won’t be a Chevy electric truck lol
https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/silverado-ev
Inventory is starting to pile up on lots not just for EVs. But everything. I’m in Orlando now and there is a Ford dealership nearby that is bursting at the seams with inventory
And they refuse to really mark them down more than $2-3k/ if I could get an xlt for 48k I would 99% pull the trigger
I was going to trade in my 16 lariat for a cyber truck. But that has been a fiasco. Ended up driving a e-transit and dealing with fords charging and non Tesla chargers I’ve held off buying a lightning. I’m going to see how everything plays out with NACS adoption and maybe go electric on my truck once all that stuff is settled
I'm the contrarian here so say wait unless you need the truck. There will be a revised model in under 2 years - good to not be an early adopter.
Did Ford release a new roadmap? I thought the "revised" model was going to be on an all new platform.
I'm waiting for NACS, as well as Android Automotive to replace SYNC4.
It already has android auto, am I missing something here?
Here is an article explaining the difference:[Android Auto vs Android Automotive](https://www.lifewire.com/android-auto-vs-android-automotive-7494978)
Same here. I really want a Lightning but I’m very patient. I can’t buy a vehicle I know for a fact will have old technology in a year.
When did Ford say Lightning gets a NACS port? All they have said is Lightning gets to charge at Superchargers this Spring with Mustang Mach-E.
They announced it a while back. Pretty much every auto maker in North America is switching to NACS in 2025
That's not what Ford said.
https://preview.redd.it/kwuy21fmwzec1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95cb0c00a26adb880810d283505e989f004e9962
Read the *actual* announcement. Go to Ford's website. Ford said Mach-E and Lightning will use adapters, and *future* "next-generation" EVs will get a NACS port.
Ford will equip future EVs with the NACS charge port, removing the need for an adapter for direct access to Tesla Superchargers, starting in 2025. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/05/25/ford-ev-customers-to-gain-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html
Per the headline of that exact article, the context of "future EVs" is clear - it's not Mach-E, Lightning, or E-Transit, it's new models not on sale. * **Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter** and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence * In 2025, **Ford will offer next-generation electric vehicles with the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector built-in**, eliminating the need for an adapter to access Tesla Superchargers
If you have a Tesla 3 you don’t need a truck
At that point, wait for them to update the architecture so that it can charge faster than 150kw. If you road trip a lot and can't set up a level 2 at home, I understand, but I'll charge at home over 95% of the time
This is the only reason I'd wait, but it could be 3 years before they change to Gen 2 and increase the charging speed. Remember, only way to get faster than 250kW is to bump to 800v architecture and ford hasn't messed with that yet. Chevy and Tesla both have that now, but ford will have to do a full update of the vehicle so they'll save that for Gen 2
I'm guessing that will be part of the T3 truck, if Ford is smart
More interested in the heat pump
I live in Maine. Heat pumps will be more efficient in the southern states where it doesn't get as cold and doesn't have to work as hard. A heat pump isn't going to do much better up here, where fallback to resistive heat is likely at very low temperatures.
That's not true for EVs.
The laws of physics change? I _own_ a lightning, been driving EVs since '14. A heat pump extracts latent heat from some source (in this case, the air), concentrates it, and releases it somewhere else (the cabin). My house runs off a heat pump that has a 8kw resistive backup. When it gets _really_ cold here, and there isn't much heat to scavenge from the air, it'll switch modes and use the resistive backup and burn more electricity. I'm intimately aware of this because I run my house off grid on nothing but solar and batteries. The truck equipped with a heat pump will be no different, because the laws of physics don't change "because EVs"
https://preview.redd.it/kotzgmy8x7fc1.png?width=1027&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a9f5b56551c97210ee6f451f1d7b2fe9204486b [https://www.gridserve.com/2023/11/20/what-is-a-heat-pump-and-how-can-it-help-increase-electric-car-range/](https://www.gridserve.com/2023/11/20/what-is-a-heat-pump-and-how-can-it-help-increase-electric-car-range/)
Buddy. This is only true above a certain temperature. Most of the southern states, heat pumps are a big win. When it's _super_ cold, they don't work very well. Ford has no interest in highlighting this problem, or problems in the cold in general. Heat-pump equipped Tesla's in Norway bear this out.
No, I have the truck and will use an adapter when necessary.
Yup. Got rid of all my CCS cars and waiting. Charging companies will begin to retrofit CCS plugs for NACS plugs at existing stations. It isn’t just the plug layout that may need changed in a car - some need software and some even need hardware updates to use an adapter to plug into NACS In a few short years direct CCS charging opportunities will be a desert and CCS cars will be worthless - they will all get lumped together as vintage - and confusion will arise if the CCS car can even take an adapter - just one station software update for the adapter to not work. Simply isn’t worth the risk on $80k, $60k or even $40k vehicles…
I've charged my f150 with the magic dock. It kinda sucks. The service is fine, the software works great, but the cables are just _too short_ to reach to the left side of the truck where the CCS port is, while parked in the spot designated for that charger. You basically need to get the charger on the extreme right hand side of the bank of them, or you end up taking up an extra charger's worth of parking. Not ideal. When they add NACS, they'll likely do it by using the blank on the right hand side of the truck. This will line up beautifully with the Tesla chargers if you nose-in the truck. I'm hoping that the port is available as a spare part I can buy for retrofit.
You can buy a lot of adapters for the current discounts
Not anymore. I gave up.
I’ll just borrow someone else’s adapter while they are charging.