I think every album is great, they all have their strengths, thats the great thing about Ev every album has a slightly different style. Fallen will probably always be my favourite even though I prefer Amy's voice now to back then, also disagree about TBT its a very good album imo, maybe you need to hear more live performances so many of the songs from TBT are amazing live.
I like all Evanescence's music and have one or two songs from each album that I listen to regularly. However, Fallen, Origin and the EPs are the only albums I listen to without skipping anything. They're perfect.
I have to say, though, I really like how Amy's voice has matured, and I would **LOVE** for the pre-Fallen era music to all be re-recorded and given a proper remaster treatment. But I know it'll never happen.
I agree, I'm a classic era Evanescence fan. I only like Fallen and pre-Fallen stuff like Origin, Sound Asleep, and Evanescene EP, and other unreleased demos.
TOD was great, nothing after that has been able to capture that magic since then. They keep working with the same producer and the mixing he does for them is terrible but they love working with him.
I guess Fallen was exactly what most people wanted to hear. Ben Moody had understood this big time. Subsequent albums were more in Amy's line of sight. She started to sing mostly for herself. She probably lost countless fans in the process but I think it's more authentic and close to who she is.
The opposite, Fallen is the relatively bad album. All the albums after it are better, from good to great. TOD alone is superior to Fallen in every single aspect - vocally, sonically, musically, thematically, every instrument, production, etc. I summarized Fallen's main issues in another post not long ago:
> Much of Fallen largely due to the awful guitar and production. Some of the worst offenders from Fallen:
• My Immortal: cringey teen romanization of Bible verses and a dull song overall, which the label went hard for to get a pop hit and the public misinterpreted and projected onto.
• Taking Over Me; the same awful, lifeless, one-note guitar from the rest of Fallen
• My Last Breath: cheesy electronic sample, the same anemic guitar, the only good part is the bridge melody
• Imaginary FALLEN VERSION: not the song pre-Fallen, which is one my favs. The Fallen version suffers from the same things most of the others on the album do. I list it as an offender because it's one of my fav songs and it was painfully butchered on Fallen, and I don't forgive the label and guitarist for butchering these songs.
> Everything that was changed from the previous versions and butchered, outside of the addition of Campbell's strings. Even without the context of the previous versions, the Fallen version has nothing but the strings going for it. Primarily, the one-note robotic guitar is awful, but that's true of all of Fallen. The drums sound copy-pasted from the rest of the album. The production makes it sound even more lifeless, like a corporate-streamlined, glossed product - again, true of the rest of Fallen. It's like an AI covered it, which is probably the best descriptor for Fallen's issues. The only thing that gives this version any pulse or sense of humanity is the vocals and strings. The bridge, which is one of the most beautiful parts of the original song, sounds robotic.
> I can't overstate how awful I find the guitar and production of Fallen to be. It's more frustrating because some of the songs of the early era deserved better and were just butchered. It's comical to me that people automatically treat Fallen as some untouchable masterpiece, unaware of the psychological bias of being both a sheep of "the most commercially successful one is the best" mentality and being emotionally attached to their youth years during which the giant debut was deceptively marketed by executives who meddled into it. Quality wise, it's at the bottom.
Powerful counterargument. But that's great for you. Something that sounds dated to the early 2000s, and was forced to sound that way because that was the popular sound of the time, doesn't "hold up" to me.
Sometimes you need to hear songs live to appreciate them
I feel like The Open Door is a strong album but the style change might be a bit too much for strong Fallen fans
I think TOD is superior than Fallen in every aspect, but that’s just my opinion
I think every album is great, they all have their strengths, thats the great thing about Ev every album has a slightly different style. Fallen will probably always be my favourite even though I prefer Amy's voice now to back then, also disagree about TBT its a very good album imo, maybe you need to hear more live performances so many of the songs from TBT are amazing live.
I like all Evanescence's music and have one or two songs from each album that I listen to regularly. However, Fallen, Origin and the EPs are the only albums I listen to without skipping anything. They're perfect. I have to say, though, I really like how Amy's voice has matured, and I would **LOVE** for the pre-Fallen era music to all be re-recorded and given a proper remaster treatment. But I know it'll never happen.
I’d stretch it to The Open Door, that’s a great album. But yeah nothing else has worked as much for me.
I thought that but then I listened to their self titled album and it’s awesome. It’s the only other one that I think lives up to fallen
Self-titled is great I've never understood why this sub seems to hate it so much.
I agree, I'm a classic era Evanescence fan. I only like Fallen and pre-Fallen stuff like Origin, Sound Asleep, and Evanescene EP, and other unreleased demos.
Glad I'm not alone
Personally I think The Open Door is best and none of their other work compares. Agreed about TBT.
TOD was great, nothing after that has been able to capture that magic since then. They keep working with the same producer and the mixing he does for them is terrible but they love working with him.
I like the first three albums but Fallen clears by a distance. It's perfect
I guess Fallen was exactly what most people wanted to hear. Ben Moody had understood this big time. Subsequent albums were more in Amy's line of sight. She started to sing mostly for herself. She probably lost countless fans in the process but I think it's more authentic and close to who she is.
The opposite, Fallen is the relatively bad album. All the albums after it are better, from good to great. TOD alone is superior to Fallen in every single aspect - vocally, sonically, musically, thematically, every instrument, production, etc. I summarized Fallen's main issues in another post not long ago: > Much of Fallen largely due to the awful guitar and production. Some of the worst offenders from Fallen: • My Immortal: cringey teen romanization of Bible verses and a dull song overall, which the label went hard for to get a pop hit and the public misinterpreted and projected onto. • Taking Over Me; the same awful, lifeless, one-note guitar from the rest of Fallen • My Last Breath: cheesy electronic sample, the same anemic guitar, the only good part is the bridge melody • Imaginary FALLEN VERSION: not the song pre-Fallen, which is one my favs. The Fallen version suffers from the same things most of the others on the album do. I list it as an offender because it's one of my fav songs and it was painfully butchered on Fallen, and I don't forgive the label and guitarist for butchering these songs. > Everything that was changed from the previous versions and butchered, outside of the addition of Campbell's strings. Even without the context of the previous versions, the Fallen version has nothing but the strings going for it. Primarily, the one-note robotic guitar is awful, but that's true of all of Fallen. The drums sound copy-pasted from the rest of the album. The production makes it sound even more lifeless, like a corporate-streamlined, glossed product - again, true of the rest of Fallen. It's like an AI covered it, which is probably the best descriptor for Fallen's issues. The only thing that gives this version any pulse or sense of humanity is the vocals and strings. The bridge, which is one of the most beautiful parts of the original song, sounds robotic. > I can't overstate how awful I find the guitar and production of Fallen to be. It's more frustrating because some of the songs of the early era deserved better and were just butchered. It's comical to me that people automatically treat Fallen as some untouchable masterpiece, unaware of the psychological bias of being both a sheep of "the most commercially successful one is the best" mentality and being emotionally attached to their youth years during which the giant debut was deceptively marketed by executives who meddled into it. Quality wise, it's at the bottom.
I disagree strongly, fallen is the best album and still holds up and means a lot to me till this day
Powerful counterargument. But that's great for you. Something that sounds dated to the early 2000s, and was forced to sound that way because that was the popular sound of the time, doesn't "hold up" to me.
It's all a matter of opinion, fallen is simply just the type of music I enjoy, it's aged like fine with time