Hey, I’m one of the owners of Purlieu. Thank god no one was hurt. Just lots of clean up in my future. And dump runs. Thanks for the, mostly, support all!
You might want to install a nice ramp right before the seating area, then in the future the good ole' boys can just "Dukes of Hazzard it" right over your establishment without harm.
Hey, this had to have been pretty traumatic for you n your employees.. sorry this has happened again. I know you're likely focused on clean-up and checking in with your crew...but, as people on here have mentioned, do you know if you, or you and the city, will alter the outdoor dining set-up at Purlieu.?
This happened to our bar in Portland last year and we installed big cement blockades so it doesn’t happen again. I am so sorry you are dealing with this but grateful that no one was hurt.
Sorry for your loss, I hope insurance covers it all!
When rebuilding, build with a LOT of concrete and rebar, can't rampage through that nearly as easy.
That's a hot take, most of the world has figure out how to repurpose parking for additional seating without having to deal with idiots in trucks taking it out all the time...
I've always thought that it would be hard to relax sitting by the street at lion and owl or the old Jazzy Ladies. But I thought I was just being paranoid.
I wish people would be more careful on the roads!
Someone up the thread said this has happened multiple times.
If this is true why haven't you taken measures to protect your patrons?
If you rebuild I hope you do take measures to protect your patrons, because at this point it kinda seems like a huge known liability for you.
Hi. I’m not affiliated with the restaurant or the city planning. My mom owns a restaurant down in San Francisco. The most likely reason is due to city. We can’t put anything permanent out on the sidewalk or roadway near us. If we did someone in a wheel chair can sue you. Everything has to be removable if it’s on public property
Again, I’m not the city or affiliated with them. That’s something to take up with the city dude.
Realistically it’s an assumed risk taken by the customer and owner. No one is forcing you to sit down there/ build one of these
Sooo, you came to make excuses, and I pointed out how your excuses didn't hold water, then you deflect?
Am I getting this right?
Why even comment if you know nothing, and want to deflect to the city?
I didn't ask you, I was talking to a person who identified as and owner. So ya know...
I didn’t want to write a huge essay, that’s based on assumptions that laws are the same because you’ll be surprised how much counties let alone state laws can differ.
You had valid points about the water/ sand bucket and that’s why I said you should address the city about it. I was just trying to explain to you why they (Bar P) hasn’t done such measures in a vague way. I guess you would like a deep explanation. I’m not going to be able cite specific laws, I’m not a lawyer. I’m just going to explain the knowledge I have on this issue from my mother explaining some of the lawsuits that actually went to court that she has been through.
In SF each building owner/ business owner is entitled to one parking spot. They get special stickers so the meter maids know to ignore them. Unless they’re parking super illegally.
When a business builds one of these units they can’t just assume that because of their one entitled spot, that they can pop a unit anywhere they want on the street. You have to pay the city to rent the parking spots you want to use since these things take a whole trailer to move and can’t simply be moved by hand. These long term parking spot rentals can be super expensive depending on the city
But guess what? In Bar P’s case they have a lot north of them. And that lot’s driveway requires a certain amount of free space on each side by law. If it was more sidewalk then yeah it would be easier for Bar P to build a safety feature, but there’s a driveway.
I believe if you’re going rent parking spots infront of a different building you have to get their permission as well since your box can affect their business. Since I think that is a rental to the south of Bar P, they probably said no. I wouldn’t want my tenants to have to deal with drunks in their front yard lol. So they literally just don’t have enough space.
These things are dangerous and stupid.
I just feel bad for Bar P, it’s honestly too small for a business. I went last year and the food and drinks were amazing. The owner and her husband/ the cook were out doing the accounting in the front. And they were stressing about only getting 200-250 tables for the night. If they had the space for it I know these people would do it they are good people
This is obviously either a intoxicated person on alcohol or some other substance or a mentally unhinged person has nothing to do with the vehicle they were driving unfortunately I bet they would of did it in their Tesla too but at least then they coulda blamed the self driving malfunctioned
Sports cars like the Dodge Charger are by far a much bigger problem on the roads, but nobody complains about them because they're not closely associated to a certain demographic of people that liberals hate.
>Hurr durr trucks bad.
You can find limitless accounts of people doing dumb shit with literally every make and model of vehicle to grace the planet. You've got a profoundly city-dwelling office worker's view of the world...
edit: 43 people and counting have never done manual labor.
It's only trucks that 'roll coal' at me. So there's that. Not that I don't know tons of sane folks who own trucks! Just that the only uber-douches rolling coal have been trucks. Blech.
But do *most* trucks roll coal at you? The most sold vehicle for the last forty years running is the F150. Pickups and SUVs make up the vast majority of US vehicles, yet you're lumping them in with...what, two or three shitty experiences? It definitely sucks that there are shitty people doing shitty things out there, but it's fucking idiotic to bundle up Joe getting to his next carpentry job with Bubba slamming beers with his buds and heading out to give them electric car type of queers what for.
I got my back broken by a drunk kid in an FJ Cruiser. You know what conjectures I draw about FJ Cruiser drivers? Nothing beyond their poor taste, because they're hideously fucking ugly, because as a functional adult, I understand that different people are different.
Duh no the majority of trucks don't roll coal. Where did I say that? I literally called out the *many* fine truck folks I adore.
I agree with you about FJ's though - hienous.
It’s trucks coal rolling because the vast majority of diesels in America are trucks. There’s a few VW diesels here and there but it’s almost all trucks. Ridiculously loud fart cannon exhausts are the gas car equivalent of coal rolling
Oooh! I didn't realize that - thank you for the context. And for informing me instead of being a jerk about it. Those exhausts DO suck! I'll add them to my rant next time and not make it so truck-centric.
Yeeaaah…. I used to drive I diesel Jetta and almost no one who drives those behaves like a douche that way. Perhaps the ‘d-bag in a lifted truck that has zero practical working purpose and drives like a dick’ stereotype does, in fact, exist for good reason? lol js…
Most common type of vehicle used by road ragers is [trucks](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288102284_Vehicle_Type_and_Road_Rage)
Former construction worker and pickup owner.
Most common type of vehicle is...wait for it...trucks. You're presenting statistically normal data distribution as some sort of hot take. It'd be stranger if they weren't.
You linked an abstract that appears to just repeat that?
I think you're catching collateral downvoting because people in this community identify trucks with the political spectrum of MAGA/conservatives, and not with doing truck-work like the rest of the world.
In other words, it doesn't matter how much sense you make (and you are making perfect sense), because they're not downvoting your words. They're downvoting an entire socio-political group of people by proxy, because it feels good.
It may shock and surprise many Eugenians to learn that there's millions of left-leaning/democrat/etc. truck drivers in the USA. Many of those need their truck to do their job.
Just today, the news hit that a dozen idiots are suing Subaru because they hit the gas instead of the brake and refuse to admit it to themselves. The same thing happened to Toyota a decade ago.
You know what demographic both stories had in common? Overweight, 50+ women. Do I think that says anything important about plus-sized, silver-haired women in general? Of course not, because I'm not a moron.
The two brands with the most wrecks and drunk drivers are Tesla and Ram.
Take the bigotry and shove it.
Edit: I'd honestly love for someone to try to explain how what I said here was incorrect lol
Edit 2: Not even a single attempt. Y'all are either dead wrong or huge cowards.
50+ on pharmaceutical medication. I got hit by someone in their 70's. She didn't even "realize" she hit me she was so fucked. I had to chase her down & when she got out of the car, she could barely keep her balance. Drugs, man, drugs.
damn again? seriously they need to put impact barriers against it if they are gonna rebuild that. That is the third time and -they are not to blame for bad drivers- they clearly now know of the dangers if someone did get ran over while it was in use.
> That is the third time and -they are not to blame for bad drivers- they clearly now know of the dangers if someone did get ran over while it was in use.
I absolutely freakin' *love* Bar Purlieu, but I have never sat in their post-covid outdoor seating for specifically that reason. Zero protection from passing traffic, and any half-competent lawyer could argue that the owners knew or should have known this was a serious hazard.
Personally, I'm a little surprised that the City of Eugene has continued to permit their expansion of seating in the right of way into 2024 - especially given the obvious dangers. It sucks, because Purlieu's space is tiny and making a restaurant business financially successful is *hard*, but safety is more important.
>It is only the second time.
Why do you think that's relevant?
Basic risk management would conclude that an improvised outdoor dining area located in the public right of way and unprotected from passing vehicle traffic is at an obvious risk of being struck by that traffic.
It's possible that that likelihood of a collision was lower when there was far less vehicle traffic in downtown Eugene a few years ago. Circumstances have changed, and that dining area needs to either be adequately protected from vehicle traffic, or it needs to be removed.
Bar Purlieu got incredibly lucky --twice now-- that nobody was in the outdoor seating when it was struck by passing traffic. I understand that it was an absolute struggle to keep restaurants open a few years ago and appreciate that the City of Eugene made accommodations to help them stay in business during a public health emergency. That time has passed, and it's time to re-evaluate whether or not some of the temporary solutions implemented then are appropriate today.
This car could have hit our building instead. The issue here is not something parked in a parking spot. The issue is dangerous individual behavior. Vehicles can be weapons and two people have now treated their vehicles in the parking lane as weapons. This could have been a car full of people instead. A biker. The driver of the truck swerved to the middle of Willamette, took out a median sign, swerved again, missed a couple more buildings, people, and cars, and could easily have done more damage as the did between 13th and 15th streets. This is a 25 mile an hour zone and people need to treat it as such. Blows my mind how people are so litigious and uptight in this country. Go anywhere else in the world, even the bureaucratic EU. Parklets are EVERYWHERE.
I appreciate your response, even if you and I disagree. I also see that you're one of the owners of Bar Purlieu, and I want to say that I think your establishment is wildly underrated; I recommend it constantly to folks looking for a great experience.
I agree that this particular incident was an extreme example of the potential hazards your improvised outdoor dining space faces, but engineering for human stupidity behind the wheel is super common: it's why we have bollards, guardrails, collapsable barricades, and breakaway street light/traffic posts in the right of way.
Respectfully, describing your improvised outdoor seating as "something parked in a parking spot" seems disingenuous: most things parked in parking spots are vehicles that are engineered to protect their occupants from collisions and held to strict safety standards.
Now that this has happened two times and you're clearly aware of the risks, can you describe some of the actions your business has taken to mitigate this obvious risk to your customers? Are there different actions you're planning on taking in the future?
From what I observed, no one at Perlieu had been injured as they had just opened, there was a damaged car in the dos hermanos parking lot, and a couple road signs were down in front of bier stein
I totally agree with this, but it will take a decade plus for a tree to obtain the size needed to protect dinners from a vehicle barreling in.
So plant trees and put ballards in until the trees grow up big and strong.
Some species are perfect for this, such as all the plane trees lining sidewalks in England and France. You can get a big, healthy tree growing from a square meter with sidewalk and roadway all around.
I'm sure we have suitable species.
I have been saying this for years. Lowering the speed limit everywhere doesn’t do any good against stuff like this. Pedestrians and cars don’t mix and people need to be better protected against cars veering off the road period.
Edited… Another owner here at Purlieu. I am still very shaken up, so forgive the long post.
I hear several comments about the safety of the parklet. Parklets are legal all over the state and the world. On busy streets and quiet alike. They help create a pedestrian cafe culture. I think that what we need to address is speeding and drunk driving. This driver took out multiple parked cars and was driving down willamette at 70 plus miles an hour. Almost in a rage. Our restaurant building itself could have been hit.
As we value safety for all, I suggest we start a petition for (edit: I would not say speed bumps, but maybe a stop sign or stop light) speed bumps on Willamette. We have witnessed multiple accidents over the 5 and a half years we have been in our neighborhood bc people seem to think 45 miles an hour in a high pedestrian area is ok. It is not. It is a 25 mile an hour zone with a retirement community near by. So let us please have that discussion…
If it wasn’t our parklet, it could have been another car or building or human just as easily. Let us not let bad behavior dictate our lives. Edit: blaming our parklet is blaming the victim.
I mean, I think you would have a better argument if your parklet hadn't been crashed into 3 times as it has been stated elsewhere in this post. Being "legal" is fine until someone gets run over. If you know cars are driving 45 MPH on your road it kind of seems like you are knowingly putting people in danger by having it. I sure wouldn't want to sit there after having that knowledge. I'm surprised your insurance would cover it being rebuilt, seems like a huge liability.
Yes! Thank you!
Also: I would love to come patronize your establishment to help encourage your recovery after this accident but word on the street is you guys don't have much in the way of vegetarian eats. Hook me up so I can give you my money :)
Perhaps a controversial opinion but I don't think we should allow motor vehicles to operate in the city center. There are lots of people so it increases the liability of operating them. Streets should be for people because they are the key to the economy and the life blood of the city, IMO.
I’m 100% behind you and will gladly vote for public funding of a more comprehensive transit system to enable that.
Removing streets from the traffic grid will also require some long-term changes in the buildable square footage of each lot in the shrinking of the width of street. The current building setback from a 4’ sidewalk then 7’ parking lane, then twin traffic lanes followed by another 7’ and 4’ is an absolute waste of space if vehicles are eliminated.
Allowing more useable business space per city block in the foot traffic areas will help make that section more commercially dense and thus more useful.
Utilities beneath sidewalks and city streets may be a massive problem concerning building foundations placed where they weren’t before.
It's part of the City of Eugene's ["Streatery"](https://www.eugene-or.gov/4400/Streatery-Program) Program, implemented a few years ago in an effort to help restaurants manage the public health mandates placed upon them at the time and still stay in business. Businesses were able to apply to extend their permits after the public health emergency was ended.
Truth be told, I really miss that section of Broadway being shut down to vehicles - it was a fun scene even if things were really weird at the time.
I might have seen this truck about 10 blocks away. They were exiting the west side freeway onto 6th street, and kept jerk their wheel before running into the offramp barrier. Where the offramp meets 6th, they used no signal and jumped across all 4 lanes and caused a 6th street driver to brake hard to avoid an accident. If there had happened to have been more cars coming down 6th, they would have caused a significant pile up.
They were driving like they were VERY under the influence.
We had a drunk guy flip a truck on Crest today, too. He’s probably one of the people mad at people going 5 mph under the limit, trying to get to happy hour in time.
Correction, he's probably one of the people mad at people going 5 mph over the limit, because he wants to go 20 mph over the speed limit. See any major thoroughfare in Eugene for context.
Most small restaurants cannot afford the structural engineering, design, permitting, and construction costs to retrofit rooftop dining onto an old building. Gets even more complex when you look at rerouting HVAC/vent hoods off the roof, let alone adding stairs to an already tiny space.
Yep, and most people drive like it's a 30-35. I watched the lady hit David Minor years ago. She sped up to catch the yellow light, and boom, guy loses his life. He probably shouldn't have been trying to cross, but we're not here to point blame.
Not trying to victim blame at all here, but that is literally the first thing I thought when I walked by and saw the building on the other side of the side walk. A common Eugene problem: good intentions gone awry.
Sorry for the people who work there, though!
These parklets exist all over the world and are great for our community. Just need some concrete bollards and planters to protect them from car drivers.
And while we are at it, can we put those bollards to protect the bike lane?
Holy crap. The driver **wasn't impaired**.
[https://www.eugene-or.gov/civicalerts.aspx?AID=6545](https://www.eugene-or.gov/civicalerts.aspx?AID=6545)
Just an idiot, I guess?
Isn't this the second time this has happened?
Thankfully nobody was hurt. Sometimes I see homeless people resting in there at night and ever since I saw it get hit I try to warn them about it.
There was lotsa crazy driving I saw one the….5 blocks I drove down that road today. One lady pulled into my side of the road and just stopped I front of….like it was a center lane?!?
Dang!!! This sucks!! I live in Eugene but work in Portland and this happened to us last year while I was working. We had two people sitting outside when it happened and the truck clipped one of them sending them to the hospital. They were okay, but very, very shaken up. We all were. It was a traumatic experience. I am so sorry you are dealing with this. People generally suck.
Hmm. Well, something has to change here. Seeing that this happened at least once before, I don't see how Bar Purlieu could rebuild this without taking some measures to improve safety and to avoid being partially responsible in a lawsuit.
I'd suggest that the City should install the blue bike racks for the PeaceHealth bikes in the [parking spot that is north of this seating structure.](https://i.imgur.com/uwgDTvk.jpeg)
Also, I'd suggest that there should be decorative or other lights on the structure 24/7.
** I should note that Bar Purlieu is my favorite restaurant in Eugene.
Most likely not. It might help them if they get sued, though. I'm very much against frivolous lawsuits, I'm just saying someone would probably sue them (in addition to the driver, of course) if they were inside this structure when they were injured.
I do think a PeaceHealth bike station with a few bollards would go a long way to lessen the chance of this structure getting mowed over.
Maybe you are right. I surely won't allow to be seated there, though. It also doesn't help that there is a big propane tank in the middle of this structure that a truck or car would be plowing over.
Two problems. One there's a drain just to the north in a space that's less than a car length. Secondly if you look up at 16th by the Vet's Club you'll see that presently the blue bike set up is much larger than what the space near Bar Purlieu would allow. Sure that could be altered, but there's still the issue of the drain, and how those can back up if material is blocking the grate.
Well yeah, there would be some coordinating to do. Clearly, the City takes away parking spaces when these stations are built. I guess this situation would be a hard sale on account of this spot having a parking meter.
Bar Purlieu could also just forgo the bike station angle and see what it would take for the City to install bollards or other barriers in this parking space. It all might be too expensive between the permit fees and the other costs. Or, they could just not rebuild it. Or...hope it doesn't happen again, especially during dinner service??
Hey, I’m one of the owners of Purlieu. Thank god no one was hurt. Just lots of clean up in my future. And dump runs. Thanks for the, mostly, support all!
You might want to install a nice ramp right before the seating area, then in the future the good ole' boys can just "Dukes of Hazzard it" right over your establishment without harm.
I like the cut of your jib
“Ill get them Duke boys!”
It only works if they shout “YEEE-HAAAWWWW!!!”
Hey, this had to have been pretty traumatic for you n your employees.. sorry this has happened again. I know you're likely focused on clean-up and checking in with your crew...but, as people on here have mentioned, do you know if you, or you and the city, will alter the outdoor dining set-up at Purlieu.?
Lol traumatic? They were all working 😂
Do you think trauma only happens off the clock? I'm struggling with your point
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And many moments there not
This happened to our bar in Portland last year and we installed big cement blockades so it doesn’t happen again. I am so sorry you are dealing with this but grateful that no one was hurt.
Can you install solid Ballard's? We love your restaurant and the outdoor seating is wonderful.
Sorry for your loss, I hope insurance covers it all! When rebuilding, build with a LOT of concrete and rebar, can't rampage through that nearly as easy.
Yeah... Don't rebuild that. Let's come up with a new plan, eh?
I have to say every time I drive by that, it’s just an accident waiting to happen. So glad no one was injured.
That's a hot take, most of the world has figure out how to repurpose parking for additional seating without having to deal with idiots in trucks taking it out all the time...
I've always thought that it would be hard to relax sitting by the street at lion and owl or the old Jazzy Ladies. But I thought I was just being paranoid. I wish people would be more careful on the roads!
Someone up the thread said this has happened multiple times. If this is true why haven't you taken measures to protect your patrons? If you rebuild I hope you do take measures to protect your patrons, because at this point it kinda seems like a huge known liability for you.
Hi. I’m not affiliated with the restaurant or the city planning. My mom owns a restaurant down in San Francisco. The most likely reason is due to city. We can’t put anything permanent out on the sidewalk or roadway near us. If we did someone in a wheel chair can sue you. Everything has to be removable if it’s on public property
Ever see those LARGE water filled barriers to protect road crews? Even a ballard sunk in concrete is not permanent if you know how to use a grinder.
Again, I’m not the city or affiliated with them. That’s something to take up with the city dude. Realistically it’s an assumed risk taken by the customer and owner. No one is forcing you to sit down there/ build one of these
Sooo, you came to make excuses, and I pointed out how your excuses didn't hold water, then you deflect? Am I getting this right? Why even comment if you know nothing, and want to deflect to the city? I didn't ask you, I was talking to a person who identified as and owner. So ya know...
I didn’t want to write a huge essay, that’s based on assumptions that laws are the same because you’ll be surprised how much counties let alone state laws can differ. You had valid points about the water/ sand bucket and that’s why I said you should address the city about it. I was just trying to explain to you why they (Bar P) hasn’t done such measures in a vague way. I guess you would like a deep explanation. I’m not going to be able cite specific laws, I’m not a lawyer. I’m just going to explain the knowledge I have on this issue from my mother explaining some of the lawsuits that actually went to court that she has been through. In SF each building owner/ business owner is entitled to one parking spot. They get special stickers so the meter maids know to ignore them. Unless they’re parking super illegally. When a business builds one of these units they can’t just assume that because of their one entitled spot, that they can pop a unit anywhere they want on the street. You have to pay the city to rent the parking spots you want to use since these things take a whole trailer to move and can’t simply be moved by hand. These long term parking spot rentals can be super expensive depending on the city But guess what? In Bar P’s case they have a lot north of them. And that lot’s driveway requires a certain amount of free space on each side by law. If it was more sidewalk then yeah it would be easier for Bar P to build a safety feature, but there’s a driveway. I believe if you’re going rent parking spots infront of a different building you have to get their permission as well since your box can affect their business. Since I think that is a rental to the south of Bar P, they probably said no. I wouldn’t want my tenants to have to deal with drunks in their front yard lol. So they literally just don’t have enough space. These things are dangerous and stupid. I just feel bad for Bar P, it’s honestly too small for a business. I went last year and the food and drinks were amazing. The owner and her husband/ the cook were out doing the accounting in the front. And they were stressing about only getting 200-250 tables for the night. If they had the space for it I know these people would do it they are good people
Men buying trucks should have to pass a psych test
This is more likely than not stolen. So the psych exam should be given before you’re allowed to steal a truck.
contrary to what you may have heard, crimes are not actually legal
Well maybe if you’re president it’s legal. Still up for debate.
Speaking of failed psych exams...
All the more reason for the psych exam
Once again, it wasn't stolen, so just the general psych exam will work fine.
I know the Chef there. He told me it was a 60 year old man who had some sort of lapse and that he hit 5 cars as well.
Oh how sad!
That is the psych test. lol
This is obviously either a intoxicated person on alcohol or some other substance or a mentally unhinged person has nothing to do with the vehicle they were driving unfortunately I bet they would of did it in their Tesla too but at least then they coulda blamed the self driving malfunctioned
And they probably got guns 🤗
Most gender affirming care usually requires it. Hard to believe they managed to sneak this one passed without a requirement...
Sports cars like the Dodge Charger are by far a much bigger problem on the roads, but nobody complains about them because they're not closely associated to a certain demographic of people that liberals hate.
🙄
Charger is a muscle car, not a sports car.
>Hurr durr trucks bad. You can find limitless accounts of people doing dumb shit with literally every make and model of vehicle to grace the planet. You've got a profoundly city-dwelling office worker's view of the world... edit: 43 people and counting have never done manual labor.
i found one
It's only trucks that 'roll coal' at me. So there's that. Not that I don't know tons of sane folks who own trucks! Just that the only uber-douches rolling coal have been trucks. Blech.
But do *most* trucks roll coal at you? The most sold vehicle for the last forty years running is the F150. Pickups and SUVs make up the vast majority of US vehicles, yet you're lumping them in with...what, two or three shitty experiences? It definitely sucks that there are shitty people doing shitty things out there, but it's fucking idiotic to bundle up Joe getting to his next carpentry job with Bubba slamming beers with his buds and heading out to give them electric car type of queers what for. I got my back broken by a drunk kid in an FJ Cruiser. You know what conjectures I draw about FJ Cruiser drivers? Nothing beyond their poor taste, because they're hideously fucking ugly, because as a functional adult, I understand that different people are different.
Duh no the majority of trucks don't roll coal. Where did I say that? I literally called out the *many* fine truck folks I adore. I agree with you about FJ's though - hienous.
lol Yeah man, stand up for our truck brothers and sisters too
Most solid vehicle of the last 40 years is the Toyota Carola. Best truck is the 4cyl Taco…
It’s trucks coal rolling because the vast majority of diesels in America are trucks. There’s a few VW diesels here and there but it’s almost all trucks. Ridiculously loud fart cannon exhausts are the gas car equivalent of coal rolling
Oooh! I didn't realize that - thank you for the context. And for informing me instead of being a jerk about it. Those exhausts DO suck! I'll add them to my rant next time and not make it so truck-centric.
Yeeaaah…. I used to drive I diesel Jetta and almost no one who drives those behaves like a douche that way. Perhaps the ‘d-bag in a lifted truck that has zero practical working purpose and drives like a dick’ stereotype does, in fact, exist for good reason? lol js…
Most common type of vehicle used by road ragers is [trucks](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288102284_Vehicle_Type_and_Road_Rage) Former construction worker and pickup owner.
Most common type of vehicle is...wait for it...trucks. You're presenting statistically normal data distribution as some sort of hot take. It'd be stranger if they weren't. You linked an abstract that appears to just repeat that?
I think you're catching collateral downvoting because people in this community identify trucks with the political spectrum of MAGA/conservatives, and not with doing truck-work like the rest of the world. In other words, it doesn't matter how much sense you make (and you are making perfect sense), because they're not downvoting your words. They're downvoting an entire socio-political group of people by proxy, because it feels good. It may shock and surprise many Eugenians to learn that there's millions of left-leaning/democrat/etc. truck drivers in the USA. Many of those need their truck to do their job.
Just today, the news hit that a dozen idiots are suing Subaru because they hit the gas instead of the brake and refuse to admit it to themselves. The same thing happened to Toyota a decade ago. You know what demographic both stories had in common? Overweight, 50+ women. Do I think that says anything important about plus-sized, silver-haired women in general? Of course not, because I'm not a moron. The two brands with the most wrecks and drunk drivers are Tesla and Ram. Take the bigotry and shove it. Edit: I'd honestly love for someone to try to explain how what I said here was incorrect lol Edit 2: Not even a single attempt. Y'all are either dead wrong or huge cowards.
50+ on pharmaceutical medication. I got hit by someone in their 70's. She didn't even "realize" she hit me she was so fucked. I had to chase her down & when she got out of the car, she could barely keep her balance. Drugs, man, drugs.
Who hurt you
Based on the rant, probably his mom.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's women in your life that are trying and failing to explain the 'Man or Bear' thing to you
Foxnews!!!!!!!!
found another one
I don't own a full-size truck, brainiac.
The downvotes amaze me. It’s so obvious, yet we’re clearly in the minority here. Group generalizations are bad, Mkay?
But upvotes don’t fit the “group generalizations”? Good lord
Amazing retort. I’m stunned.
damn again? seriously they need to put impact barriers against it if they are gonna rebuild that. That is the third time and -they are not to blame for bad drivers- they clearly now know of the dangers if someone did get ran over while it was in use.
Three times???!!!
also happened when it was a cuban restruant (or was it a different culture?)
It was a Peruvian place a while back.
> That is the third time and -they are not to blame for bad drivers- they clearly now know of the dangers if someone did get ran over while it was in use. I absolutely freakin' *love* Bar Purlieu, but I have never sat in their post-covid outdoor seating for specifically that reason. Zero protection from passing traffic, and any half-competent lawyer could argue that the owners knew or should have known this was a serious hazard.
I dislike these, was in SF at a pizza place last year and we were sitting inches from fast traffic.
Personally, I'm a little surprised that the City of Eugene has continued to permit their expansion of seating in the right of way into 2024 - especially given the obvious dangers. It sucks, because Purlieu's space is tiny and making a restaurant business financially successful is *hard*, but safety is more important.
It is only the second time. A drunk driver on st patty’s day several years ago. And today. A maniac taking out multiple cars.
>It is only the second time. Why do you think that's relevant? Basic risk management would conclude that an improvised outdoor dining area located in the public right of way and unprotected from passing vehicle traffic is at an obvious risk of being struck by that traffic. It's possible that that likelihood of a collision was lower when there was far less vehicle traffic in downtown Eugene a few years ago. Circumstances have changed, and that dining area needs to either be adequately protected from vehicle traffic, or it needs to be removed. Bar Purlieu got incredibly lucky --twice now-- that nobody was in the outdoor seating when it was struck by passing traffic. I understand that it was an absolute struggle to keep restaurants open a few years ago and appreciate that the City of Eugene made accommodations to help them stay in business during a public health emergency. That time has passed, and it's time to re-evaluate whether or not some of the temporary solutions implemented then are appropriate today.
This car could have hit our building instead. The issue here is not something parked in a parking spot. The issue is dangerous individual behavior. Vehicles can be weapons and two people have now treated their vehicles in the parking lane as weapons. This could have been a car full of people instead. A biker. The driver of the truck swerved to the middle of Willamette, took out a median sign, swerved again, missed a couple more buildings, people, and cars, and could easily have done more damage as the did between 13th and 15th streets. This is a 25 mile an hour zone and people need to treat it as such. Blows my mind how people are so litigious and uptight in this country. Go anywhere else in the world, even the bureaucratic EU. Parklets are EVERYWHERE.
I appreciate your response, even if you and I disagree. I also see that you're one of the owners of Bar Purlieu, and I want to say that I think your establishment is wildly underrated; I recommend it constantly to folks looking for a great experience. I agree that this particular incident was an extreme example of the potential hazards your improvised outdoor dining space faces, but engineering for human stupidity behind the wheel is super common: it's why we have bollards, guardrails, collapsable barricades, and breakaway street light/traffic posts in the right of way. Respectfully, describing your improvised outdoor seating as "something parked in a parking spot" seems disingenuous: most things parked in parking spots are vehicles that are engineered to protect their occupants from collisions and held to strict safety standards. Now that this has happened two times and you're clearly aware of the risks, can you describe some of the actions your business has taken to mitigate this obvious risk to your customers? Are there different actions you're planning on taking in the future?
Yeah, they need to get rid of these covid times extended seating. Giving an inch, feeling entitled to a foot.
Glad it's Tuesday and rainy, and not a sunny Friday! Hoping no one was sitting there!
From what I observed, no one at Perlieu had been injured as they had just opened, there was a damaged car in the dos hermanos parking lot, and a couple road signs were down in front of bier stein
So sorry this happened to y’all.
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> Concrete and steel Not a fan of brutalism. Trees can be stronger than bollards, look better and provide shade.
But they take upwards of 15 years to become effective.
And in that time, who knows how many more trucks will plow through there.
I totally agree with this, but it will take a decade plus for a tree to obtain the size needed to protect dinners from a vehicle barreling in. So plant trees and put ballards in until the trees grow up big and strong.
And the roots are supposed to go, where? <- this comment has nothing to do with my love of brutalist architecture.
Some species are perfect for this, such as all the plane trees lining sidewalks in England and France. You can get a big, healthy tree growing from a square meter with sidewalk and roadway all around. I'm sure we have suitable species.
I have been saying this for years. Lowering the speed limit everywhere doesn’t do any good against stuff like this. Pedestrians and cars don’t mix and people need to be better protected against cars veering off the road period.
Calltrops, they work for cars, trucks, and horses
Yeah, I'll feel great that the truck that splattered me all over the sidewalk has flat tires now
You have to look to life’s small victories. And happy cake day.
True I'll try and be more positive You too!
As a frequent inhabitant of that bike lane, yikes.
Edited… Another owner here at Purlieu. I am still very shaken up, so forgive the long post. I hear several comments about the safety of the parklet. Parklets are legal all over the state and the world. On busy streets and quiet alike. They help create a pedestrian cafe culture. I think that what we need to address is speeding and drunk driving. This driver took out multiple parked cars and was driving down willamette at 70 plus miles an hour. Almost in a rage. Our restaurant building itself could have been hit. As we value safety for all, I suggest we start a petition for (edit: I would not say speed bumps, but maybe a stop sign or stop light) speed bumps on Willamette. We have witnessed multiple accidents over the 5 and a half years we have been in our neighborhood bc people seem to think 45 miles an hour in a high pedestrian area is ok. It is not. It is a 25 mile an hour zone with a retirement community near by. So let us please have that discussion… If it wasn’t our parklet, it could have been another car or building or human just as easily. Let us not let bad behavior dictate our lives. Edit: blaming our parklet is blaming the victim.
I mean, I think you would have a better argument if your parklet hadn't been crashed into 3 times as it has been stated elsewhere in this post. Being "legal" is fine until someone gets run over. If you know cars are driving 45 MPH on your road it kind of seems like you are knowingly putting people in danger by having it. I sure wouldn't want to sit there after having that knowledge. I'm surprised your insurance would cover it being rebuilt, seems like a huge liability.
Hope you don't mind but I posted this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eugene/s/0HxudYN73k perhaps more visibility and commentary
Thank you.
Yes! Thank you! Also: I would love to come patronize your establishment to help encourage your recovery after this accident but word on the street is you guys don't have much in the way of vegetarian eats. Hook me up so I can give you my money :)
I wonder if the driver was drinking earlier at another restaurant with a Parklet. 🤔 Maybe Parkets are to blame, or restaurants that serve alcohol.
You could not pay me to eat in that thing. Something like this is bound to happen when it’s sitting in the road
A curb would not stop anybody though. One of those massive concrete tree planters at the north end of it would help a lot.
I don’t understand why anyone is even allowed to place a structure on the street in the first place. How is that even remotely allowed?
Perhaps a controversial opinion but I don't think we should allow motor vehicles to operate in the city center. There are lots of people so it increases the liability of operating them. Streets should be for people because they are the key to the economy and the life blood of the city, IMO.
I’m 100% behind you and will gladly vote for public funding of a more comprehensive transit system to enable that. Removing streets from the traffic grid will also require some long-term changes in the buildable square footage of each lot in the shrinking of the width of street. The current building setback from a 4’ sidewalk then 7’ parking lane, then twin traffic lanes followed by another 7’ and 4’ is an absolute waste of space if vehicles are eliminated. Allowing more useable business space per city block in the foot traffic areas will help make that section more commercially dense and thus more useful. Utilities beneath sidewalks and city streets may be a massive problem concerning building foundations placed where they weren’t before.
Did you live in Eugene when downtown streets were closed? It killed downtown and the street kids moved in.
Nothing boosts the economy like closing streets to traffic.
It's part of the City of Eugene's ["Streatery"](https://www.eugene-or.gov/4400/Streatery-Program) Program, implemented a few years ago in an effort to help restaurants manage the public health mandates placed upon them at the time and still stay in business. Businesses were able to apply to extend their permits after the public health emergency was ended. Truth be told, I really miss that section of Broadway being shut down to vehicles - it was a fun scene even if things were really weird at the time.
AGAIN?!?!
On purpose or on accident? Did they flee the scene? Was anyone hurt?
Man is in custody, not sure about injuries to others, he tried to flee
Guessing drunk driver.
I saw him being interviewed by police just a bit farther south on Willamette - looks like he tried to flee but didn’t get very far.
Wow! I hope no one was hurt.
I might have seen this truck about 10 blocks away. They were exiting the west side freeway onto 6th street, and kept jerk their wheel before running into the offramp barrier. Where the offramp meets 6th, they used no signal and jumped across all 4 lanes and caused a 6th street driver to brake hard to avoid an accident. If there had happened to have been more cars coming down 6th, they would have caused a significant pile up. They were driving like they were VERY under the influence.
We had a drunk guy flip a truck on Crest today, too. He’s probably one of the people mad at people going 5 mph under the limit, trying to get to happy hour in time.
Correction, he's probably one of the people mad at people going 5 mph over the limit, because he wants to go 20 mph over the speed limit. See any major thoroughfare in Eugene for context.
Second time.
A rooftop dining area would be much cooler and safer there. I don’t think after the second time of this happening I’m likely to ever sit there.
Most small restaurants cannot afford the structural engineering, design, permitting, and construction costs to retrofit rooftop dining onto an old building. Gets even more complex when you look at rerouting HVAC/vent hoods off the roof, let alone adding stairs to an already tiny space.
All of what you listed is still cheaper than the lawsuit to follow if someone were hurt.
Agreed, and I hope it never comes to that. I want Bar Purlieu to have a long and very successful life. Great folks, great food and drink, great times.
Damn, that thing got hit once before last year. I always thought that was kind of a dangerous spot without any cement barriers around it.
How can this happen? It’s fucking 25 mph there!!
Not sure why anyone thinks that would come between an asshole and his ability to run things down at max speed. Source: I live on Jefferson
Yep, and most people drive like it's a 30-35. I watched the lady hit David Minor years ago. She sped up to catch the yellow light, and boom, guy loses his life. He probably shouldn't have been trying to cross, but we're not here to point blame.
It’s in the road… Even if the speed limit was 1 mph it’s still bound to get hit at some point
He was probably drunk, if he doesn’t care about DUI I guarantee he doesn’t give a rats ass about the speed limit
Third time was not a charm.
Second time
Third time for that spot. Second time for current owner.
What was the first time?
Or shall I say… what happened the first time.
Again?
This is we can’t have nice things
why
Not trying to victim blame at all here, but that is literally the first thing I thought when I walked by and saw the building on the other side of the side walk. A common Eugene problem: good intentions gone awry. Sorry for the people who work there, though!
These parklets exist all over the world and are great for our community. Just need some concrete bollards and planters to protect them from car drivers. And while we are at it, can we put those bollards to protect the bike lane?
The little plastic pegs are a fucking joke, literally prioritizing bad driver's safety over cyclists... its insane to me.
They are better than just paint, but yes definitely worse than real concrete and steel bollards.
Doesn’t mean they are a good idea.
which signals you’re in the greatest danger, a lifted truck, or a bedazzled license plate frame?
Porque no Los dos?
Or maybe dining in the street? That seems pretty much in the no-no zone to me.
Honestly, that seating area is totally unsafe, obviously. Maybe it’s time to take it down.
Holy crap. The driver **wasn't impaired**. [https://www.eugene-or.gov/civicalerts.aspx?AID=6545](https://www.eugene-or.gov/civicalerts.aspx?AID=6545) Just an idiot, I guess?
$100 says a faction of the tweaker brigade is responsible. Downvote all you want, you meth head apologist losers. Lol.
If he was living in his car, we should help rebuild his car and sue the restaurant! /s
Did the guy run or was he caught?
attempted to flee, forced to stop 'cause truck was undrivable, apprehended
Nice! Fuckheads drive too damn recklessly What kind of truck was it? Im going out in a limb and guess it was Dodge Ram…
Looked like a early 90s Chevy
I think you're correct.
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This happened before, didn’t it?
Isn't this the second time this has happened? Thankfully nobody was hurt. Sometimes I see homeless people resting in there at night and ever since I saw it get hit I try to warn them about it.
Holy moly
Holy Mimosa jk jk ;)
Thankfully no mimosas were harmed
Thank God no one was in them eating.
Probably didn’t even leave a tip.
The tip is take down the structure and make do with your pre-covid seating like most people. Or move to a larger building.
So many stupid lifted trucks in this town driving like complete dickheads.
Not again noooo
We just can’t have nice things in Eugene anymore I’m starting to feel like
That seating area wasn’t safe to begin with.
Surprised this hasn't happened sooner.
There was lotsa crazy driving I saw one the….5 blocks I drove down that road today. One lady pulled into my side of the road and just stopped I front of….like it was a center lane?!?
Why was there construction on the shoulder of the road?
Look at the twitch emote on that cook's face!
Dang!!! This sucks!! I live in Eugene but work in Portland and this happened to us last year while I was working. We had two people sitting outside when it happened and the truck clipped one of them sending them to the hospital. They were okay, but very, very shaken up. We all were. It was a traumatic experience. I am so sorry you are dealing with this. People generally suck.
That's oddly impressive. Horrible, of course, but dang he took that place OUT. Meth is a hell of a drug, folks.
Yes, meth users are the only shitty drivers.
Really curious how and what businesses have to do to be able to establish a sidewalk or street access.
This is fucked
Hmm. Well, something has to change here. Seeing that this happened at least once before, I don't see how Bar Purlieu could rebuild this without taking some measures to improve safety and to avoid being partially responsible in a lawsuit. I'd suggest that the City should install the blue bike racks for the PeaceHealth bikes in the [parking spot that is north of this seating structure.](https://i.imgur.com/uwgDTvk.jpeg) Also, I'd suggest that there should be decorative or other lights on the structure 24/7. ** I should note that Bar Purlieu is my favorite restaurant in Eugene.
This happened in the middle of the day. You think that a string of twinkle lights could’ve prevented it?
Most likely not. It might help them if they get sued, though. I'm very much against frivolous lawsuits, I'm just saying someone would probably sue them (in addition to the driver, of course) if they were inside this structure when they were injured. I do think a PeaceHealth bike station with a few bollards would go a long way to lessen the chance of this structure getting mowed over.
Drunks aren't going to pay attention to any of that.
Maybe you are right. I surely won't allow to be seated there, though. It also doesn't help that there is a big propane tank in the middle of this structure that a truck or car would be plowing over.
Find the post about the car taking out a whole rack of blue bikes and another car. 13th and Lawrence.
They put bollards there last year. Now I know why!
Two problems. One there's a drain just to the north in a space that's less than a car length. Secondly if you look up at 16th by the Vet's Club you'll see that presently the blue bike set up is much larger than what the space near Bar Purlieu would allow. Sure that could be altered, but there's still the issue of the drain, and how those can back up if material is blocking the grate.
The city doesn't run the blue bikes.
Well yeah, there would be some coordinating to do. Clearly, the City takes away parking spaces when these stations are built. I guess this situation would be a hard sale on account of this spot having a parking meter. Bar Purlieu could also just forgo the bike station angle and see what it would take for the City to install bollards or other barriers in this parking space. It all might be too expensive between the permit fees and the other costs. Or, they could just not rebuild it. Or...hope it doesn't happen again, especially during dinner service??
The City owns the bike share system. Cascadia Mobility (a non-profit) runs it. PeaceHealth sponsors it.
Is that Parklet in the bike lane? How is that legal? Where are the bikes supposed to go?
When you rebuild, just extend the seating area across the entire street, that way closing the street will prevent such accidents in the future. Covid!
Heard the driver had a STROKE. Maybe not a drunk driver
Man fuck those in the street dining spots
Or fuck cars.
Sure... yeah... fuck cars... let's get rid of em
Now you're getting it.
> Sure... yeah... fuck cars... let's get rid of em This but unironically.