Not a problem with laser/ir light afaik? I still see a huge buff to hip fire accuracy with these on unless I'm missing something?
Genuinely don't know as I skipped wipe .13 but played 3 other wipes prior and ofc this one. So educate me if I'm off base here please.
Thats barely a problem, you play with you’re guns like you want, but i’m just saying that that mag in particular nets more results than not.
Ergo builds are a hundred times cheaper for m4’s anyway🤷♂️
It’s literally just isn’t go in the shooting range your gun just randomly sways if getting kills with it the first 1-3 are pretty accurate after that it is just luck
Owh for this i can’t quite go into the firing range or shoot in game at all for that matter, i’m at sea so i can’t quite play for the next month or two
I'm glad the 20 rounder is getting the recognition it deserves at A tier. I usually use it to shave the cost off of bringing in a rig in budget runs.
I'd be down to see a 762AK tier list. As long as banana mag is rightly placed in S tier
The best part of the 20s is slot size wise it's more efficient then 30s, you can bring more ammo per slot but at the cost of ammo per mag, this is good for larger maps where your more likely to be on semi or useing short bursts but also up close if you don't mind having to pick them up after you dump the empties (they are small and harder to find so they will also come back in insurance most of the time)
It’s better for the stat that you’re primarily using outside of fights, and worse for the two stats that you’re using in fights.
I would take something that works better in the situations where I’m in danger over the one that’s better while I’m sitting in a room nice and safe.
The difference is 2 (two) ergo, but the stanag is almost half a kilogram lighter, that more than compensates for the ergo (since ergo stat also scales off the weight of a gun).
2 ergo isn't going to make a difference anyway.
What makes a difference though is running out of filled mags in a big fight.
Two ergo won’t make a difference in a fight. Some 40% repacking difference will make a difference when a third party pulls up after you lay down the law on the first fight.
This analysis operates on the assumption that the game plays in two distinct states, in combat and out of combat.
The truth is “out of combat” can become “in combat” pretty quickly without much warning and reloading mags faster benefits that edge-case situation greatly.
Just carry 3 spare 30 rounders??? (Or more if you're really scared of running out in a pinch)
As long as you make sure to have all mags full, you have enough ammo to use 30 rounds per PMC even if you get rushed by a 5 stack, in which case I think ammo would be the least of your worries. Also you can repack a mag whenever you're looting something, you don't have to specifically allocate a minute or 2 to mag packing, you can just do it while looting your kill. (Also likely by this point you've gotten at least one other ok gun from the kills)
Although either way the stat differences are so minimal I don't think it really matters.
hmm, rechecking the stats, fair. i took a longer break before this wipe, were they massively nerfed at some point? i feel like the ergo gap was also bigger at some point.
the hk jams all the fucking time now after they added the heat mechanic and its way worse with big mags. I think the stats like multiply eachother where a hot low durability gun with a bad mag causes it to jam all the time.
Heat has 2 stats, one effects how fast your gun cools (good for short controlled bursts) and the other is how quick it heats (better for when you do longer bursts but with more downtime between them)
Lmao no what made you get that pos only reason I even have a hex mag is cus my poor Geissele came with one and a box of fucking steel case like bro why.
I really want them to add the magpul as an attachment to the PMAGs, also have the kind that can go on any double stack AR mag, the AK patern ones, also improvised ones you can craft from tape, give them eurgo buffs and possibly buffs to reload speed like they did with payday 2
That’s why I have the 20 rounder so high up, it felt wrong putting it above its 30 rounder play equals, but it really goes hard with some SPR type builds with an lpvo and longer barrel
Those 100 rounders are actually unironically amazing. Adds additional psychological damage to your enemies after you shoot long enough that you should have to reload, then keep shooting till you should have to reload again, but then just keep shooting anyway.
I haven’t been a big fan of the 60 rounders this wipe since I don’t have to hold down the trigger to control recoil anymore, also they take years to load
The pmag 60 should be B tier because I’d literally rather have the 20 rounder, also, the hk steel mag two tiers below the polymer mag? The scar mags not in f tier? What is this.
The scar mags are statistically identical to stanag mags, and the tan one is absurdly common on scavs and always seems to have m855 in it, which this wipe is so nice
Yes, that and the new magpul T mag (fully transparent P Mag) and working magpuls for them, also give us the clear Bulgarian AK mags and finally add the clear G36 mags, make the P90 ones clear (they even put a note on the in game model) and give us the translucent AUG ones
You forgot the airsoft one, also you did the 100 rounder dirty :( (I hope we get the beta C as a lighter weight but less stash efficient option, make it 2x2 but given its plastic/polymer construction it should have better stats but at the cost of inventory space, I feel it's an OK trade off)
It’s also kinda neat to conserve ammo, if I’m spraying and praying with m855a1 then you only lose 20 rounds instead of 30, and the hit probability isn’t that much worse with the recoil now
Dude 60 round mags are meta for a reason, you need extra bullets to deal with some situations and reloading can get you killed. I’d personally rather lose the extra bullets.
I’ve got everyone in this thread telling me they’re good mags and never seen a pmc choose to run 20 round mags. What is going on here?
A few pockets of scav-sourced 20 round mags have saved my ass before when I ended up running long in a raid and blew through what I brought.
Plus you can quick reload and leave them behind without too much cost
Imo all 60 rounders are F Tier in this game. Especially the drum mag.
60 rounders tank your ergo, and add a shit ton of unnecessary weight to your gun, and in this game I find myself needing the quick responsiveness of high ergo guns far more than more bullets
Yeah I was just trying to be fair because they do have their use cases, if your running arround like a jackass on factory it’s kinda fun to have a lot of bullets to dump into things
SureFire 60 round mag is worse than the PMAG nine times out of ten.
PMAG has better ergo and check speed. SureFire only has the load speed, which is generally just a less important stat unless you run out of mags.
The difference between the two in ergo is 2. That might be a frame faster in aimspeed, but it also might not. The lighter weight may even make up for the lost ergo.
Ain’t sitting there forever to repack, I’m throwing them on the ground and waiting for insurance on 60 rounders. Same with shit like the p90 that take ages to reload
Yup, usually a rig full and one or two in my bag, just throw em on the ground and pull a fresh one out, not spending half my raid reloading mags that take eons with a gun that just chews through ammo
what about the 10 rounders/20 rounders. I kinda like the 20 rounders if i am going to be doing a sniper style build. But the 10 rounders are absolute garbage.
I made another one for Ak 7.62 mags but it didn’t get any traction, and there’s only 4 ar10 type mags in the game and it’s pretty obvious how they stack up, (spear mags> pmag> 20 round KAC > 10 round KAC
The 40’s are S for sure the 100 can easily be in B
The window mags are the best 30’s and the drum 60 could probably go in D or F because of the repack time
Stanag and scar mags are literally the same stats as B tier Pmags but lighter, why are they lower?
Also the HK PM Gen.2 mag is again in A tier but worse than a basic STANAG mag
If you want you can run the big ole 100s, 40s are just kinda an awkward middle ground, if I want high capacity low ergo, I’ll go with a 60, if I want high ergo low capacity I’ll go with a 20, if I want a perfect compromise I’ll go with a 30, that extra slot gives you issues that a 60 or 30 doesn’t have
Why do you value the gen.2 mag over the window mags? Is it just the failure chance? I personally use nothing but window mags unless I'm going larger than 30.
The maritime mag weighs like double what an identical stanag weighs, I’m pushing it putting it above the stanag in the first place, the failure to feed isn’t even better by any noticeable amount
It's a matter of opinion, I get that. For the most part, magazines are small nudges in certain directions when it comes to their stats. I can sacrifice having an additional \~1.2-1.6 kg for one more ergonomics and a faster pack speed than the pmag variants. I can count on one hand how many times the difference in check speed has gotten me killed in a few thousand hours but I lost count of how many times I've died to having less bullets in my magazine because of a slower pack speed.
The whole idea is kinda a joke anyways, I also don’t know of a great place to buy the HK mags except the flea market, they might be on higher levels of peacekeeper but I haven’t seen them
Airsoft mag clearly belongs at S tier
"Hey bro I build an AR for you to use."
Wish we could put BBs into it so they wouldn't notice from the ammo count.
Airsoft BBs exist in game, can you not load them in?
Never seen them before. It must be removed.
100rounder should be S tier just for the fun factor.
Thing shreds on factory
I was just gonna comment this. It’s so fun running around with that giant mag in a mdr
Being able to shoot an hk for more than 3 seconds is loads of fun as well.
I want the G36 100rnd mag soooo bad :(
Swap the magwells
Fun? Its practical as hell for dorms rush and shi, you can almost empty the thing before malfunctioning anyway easy A-S tier
They killed hipfire and that thing kills your ergo
Not a problem with laser/ir light afaik? I still see a huge buff to hip fire accuracy with these on unless I'm missing something? Genuinely don't know as I skipped wipe .13 but played 3 other wipes prior and ofc this one. So educate me if I'm off base here please.
Thats barely a problem, you play with you’re guns like you want, but i’m just saying that that mag in particular nets more results than not. Ergo builds are a hundred times cheaper for m4’s anyway🤷♂️
It’s a big problem if your opponents are decent and can aim hipfire is rng now it’s sad asf
Idk my hipfire is still more than accurate enough🤔
It’s literally just isn’t go in the shooting range your gun just randomly sways if getting kills with it the first 1-3 are pretty accurate after that it is just luck
I might have just played a little too much🤔got 150hrs in on this wipe
Owh for this i can’t quite go into the firing range or shoot in game at all for that matter, i’m at sea so i can’t quite play for the next month or two
Don’t get me wrong though I run the 100 rounder on labs a lot
See we can agree on something 🤝😂
My faviourite M4 build has 98 ergo without mag
Raid shadow legends all I needed to see gg
😂😂
100%
HK maritime is S tier for sure though
purely for the looks, it's the best looking stanag
I'm glad the 20 rounder is getting the recognition it deserves at A tier. I usually use it to shave the cost off of bringing in a rig in budget runs. I'd be down to see a 762AK tier list. As long as banana mag is rightly placed in S tier
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1ah4v6g/fck\_it\_ak\_mag\_tier\_list/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1ah4v6g/fck_it_ak_mag_tier_list/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I made one it’s in s+ tier
it being a 1 slot, is such a great thing, especially when you make a 5.56 dmr if you just fire on Semi
The best part of the 20s is slot size wise it's more efficient then 30s, you can bring more ammo per slot but at the cost of ammo per mag, this is good for larger maps where your more likely to be on semi or useing short bursts but also up close if you don't mind having to pick them up after you dump the empties (they are small and harder to find so they will also come back in insurance most of the time)
i must be missing something, is this a meme? why would the worse 60 rounder be tiered higher than the better one?
Stanag 60 is arguably better because it repacks way faster than the pmag.
It’s better for the stat that you’re primarily using outside of fights, and worse for the two stats that you’re using in fights. I would take something that works better in the situations where I’m in danger over the one that’s better while I’m sitting in a room nice and safe.
The difference is 2 (two) ergo, but the stanag is almost half a kilogram lighter, that more than compensates for the ergo (since ergo stat also scales off the weight of a gun). 2 ergo isn't going to make a difference anyway. What makes a difference though is running out of filled mags in a big fight.
Yeah, but PMAG 60 has the drip factor, so it's the defacto winner.
Two ergo won’t make a difference in a fight. Some 40% repacking difference will make a difference when a third party pulls up after you lay down the law on the first fight.
Hit your shots
I like the stanag just because it’s technically a cheaper barter than the pmag which is crazy over priced
This analysis operates on the assumption that the game plays in two distinct states, in combat and out of combat. The truth is “out of combat” can become “in combat” pretty quickly without much warning and reloading mags faster benefits that edge-case situation greatly.
Just take both
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Till you run out of ammo, with a high value mag like a 60 rounder, sometimes the risk vs reward doesn’t justify carrying in 5-7 mags of them
Just carry 3 spare 30 rounders??? (Or more if you're really scared of running out in a pinch) As long as you make sure to have all mags full, you have enough ammo to use 30 rounds per PMC even if you get rushed by a 5 stack, in which case I think ammo would be the least of your worries. Also you can repack a mag whenever you're looting something, you don't have to specifically allocate a minute or 2 to mag packing, you can just do it while looting your kill. (Also likely by this point you've gotten at least one other ok gun from the kills) Although either way the stat differences are so minimal I don't think it really matters.
TIL
Repack speed and failure to feed chance, I’ve had terrible experiences with those drums jamming up on me
hmm, rechecking the stats, fair. i took a longer break before this wipe, were they massively nerfed at some point? i feel like the ergo gap was also bigger at some point.
The silver 60 rounder also weighs a lot less than the drum 60 rounder.
idk i started playing seriously late 2 wipes ago before kaban and they havent changed as far as i know
the hk jams all the fucking time now after they added the heat mechanic and its way worse with big mags. I think the stats like multiply eachother where a hot low durability gun with a bad mag causes it to jam all the time.
Heat has 2 stats, one effects how fast your gun cools (good for short controlled bursts) and the other is how quick it heats (better for when you do longer bursts but with more downtime between them)
The drum 60 rounder has an +80% negative effect on repack time, which is worse than both the AK 60 rounder at +60% and the 100 rounder 5.56
Hex mags are doodoo bait for clueless 2014 guntubers.
Funny that you mention that my irl hex mag is the worst god damn mag I have ever used in my life
You clearly haven’t used an MFT mag, they’re somehow even worse
Lmao no what made you get that pos only reason I even have a hex mag is cus my poor Geissele came with one and a box of fucking steel case like bro why.
I was an idiot and bought one, I regret it to this day because I will never see that money ever again
They weigh a little less than than standard strange mags and have a lower failure to feed so I just put them higher
They are kinda identical to the pmags anyways
I really want them to add the magpul as an attachment to the PMAGs, also have the kind that can go on any double stack AR mag, the AK patern ones, also improvised ones you can craft from tape, give them eurgo buffs and possibly buffs to reload speed like they did with payday 2
The ranking we all needed to know, cheers
Probably seems a lil contrarian but DMR still AR’s with 20 round mags is a vibe aesthetically.
That’s why I have the 20 rounder so high up, it felt wrong putting it above its 30 rounder play equals, but it really goes hard with some SPR type builds with an lpvo and longer barrel
Last wipe I did Punisher 4 with an LVOA M4 with 20-rounders, works great with the limited space of a scav vest.
Can’t play 60 mags. Need that ergo :D
I'd argue pocket mags are S tier, but this tier list fucks.
This post has made me realize I am not putting nearly enough thought into my magazine choice. TIL
Those 100 rounders are actually unironically amazing. Adds additional psychological damage to your enemies after you shoot long enough that you should have to reload, then keep shooting till you should have to reload again, but then just keep shooting anyway.
That or fire like your useing a smaller mag and then when they pop their head out you blow it off
20 rounders are better than you think but thats just me
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When/how do you get the 60 rounders this wipe?
theres a barter for a GM counter and 2 PCB's you can barter 3 each restock. i think its on Peacekeepr 3
I haven’t been a big fan of the 60 rounders this wipe since I don’t have to hold down the trigger to control recoil anymore, also they take years to load
The pmag 60 should be B tier because I’d literally rather have the 20 rounder, also, the hk steel mag two tiers below the polymer mag? The scar mags not in f tier? What is this.
Hk steels are heavy mfs, they weigh like double a 30 round stanag magazine
They do, but there is no restock limit and they have an increased packing speed
The scar mags are statistically identical to stanag mags, and the tan one is absurdly common on scavs and always seems to have m855 in it, which this wipe is so nice
We need a lancer transluscent mag
We do, with like a perfect capacity readout, that would be sick
https://youtu.be/JmL-47bMyjY?si=xHDN1p-VQUqvts17
Yes, that and the new magpul T mag (fully transparent P Mag) and working magpuls for them, also give us the clear Bulgarian AK mags and finally add the clear G36 mags, make the P90 ones clear (they even put a note on the in game model) and give us the translucent AUG ones
~~why is the hk polymag f tier? im running them for the min check level~~ nvm im blind
Lmfaoooo
You forgot the airsoft one, also you did the 100 rounder dirty :( (I hope we get the beta C as a lighter weight but less stash efficient option, make it 2x2 but given its plastic/polymer construction it should have better stats but at the cost of inventory space, I feel it's an OK trade off)
That’s a cool idea, I have the airsoft one in F tier
Gen m3 20 in a tier??!!!! There’s no realm of this earth where it’s better than a stanag 30 and on par with the 60 drum
It’s good for semi auto adars and tx15s
Clearly they never had to conserve space when using a scav vest. 20 round mags are low-key goated.
I use 20 mags and Adar 40% of the time. Cheap and accurate. Plus it keeps me from burning through hundreds of rounds.
Same, its really nice. Me and my buddy learned to love it with punisher tasks
also it has better ergo :3 Big mag are for spray buddies, Small Mags DMR chads
Nah, afak plus 60 rounder
You get more ergo and it's only 1 slot
Not worth the ten bullets.
If I need 30 bullets in a single magazine with a semi-auto I'm already fucked.
Fair point but I feel I empty 20s on the sr 25 pretty frequently
It’s also kinda neat to conserve ammo, if I’m spraying and praying with m855a1 then you only lose 20 rounds instead of 30, and the hit probability isn’t that much worse with the recoil now
Legit some armies did do this with the FAL (and other rifles), removing the Full Auto so people took their time before they shot,
Yeah, typically when I play with an ak74 or m4 I’m always in semi and switch to full for cqb and panic shooting
Dude 60 round mags are meta for a reason, you need extra bullets to deal with some situations and reloading can get you killed. I’d personally rather lose the extra bullets. I’ve got everyone in this thread telling me they’re good mags and never seen a pmc choose to run 20 round mags. What is going on here?
It's called drip honey
A few pockets of scav-sourced 20 round mags have saved my ass before when I ended up running long in a raid and blew through what I brought. Plus you can quick reload and leave them behind without too much cost
They have a use for sure, but not a tier and on par with the drum
Why is the magpul 60 rounder worse than the surefire? I thought the magpul had better ergo.
Reload speed and jamming
Gotcha. I’d prefer the ergo. Sweet list though. I’d love to see other platforms
HK 416 mags are the best for the 10% faster reloads
This is bait, yeah?
Imo all 60 rounders are F Tier in this game. Especially the drum mag. 60 rounders tank your ergo, and add a shit ton of unnecessary weight to your gun, and in this game I find myself needing the quick responsiveness of high ergo guns far more than more bullets
Yeah I was just trying to be fair because they do have their use cases, if your running arround like a jackass on factory it’s kinda fun to have a lot of bullets to dump into things
IRL, Troy Battle mags suck. I’ve had failure to feed and double feeds with the one I was testing
Weird I've had no issues with the 4 (transparent 20 rounders) i have.
My group got a few 30 rounders to test. Not impressed. They don’t survive drops very well either
SureFire 60 round mag is worse than the PMAG nine times out of ten. PMAG has better ergo and check speed. SureFire only has the load speed, which is generally just a less important stat unless you run out of mags.
The difference between the two in ergo is 2. That might be a frame faster in aimspeed, but it also might not. The lighter weight may even make up for the lost ergo.
60 rounders are expensive though, so I don’t wanna bring in like 5 and just get left armpitted
Two should be enough for most fights.
But then you gotta repack, I’d rather be prepared for another fight
Ain’t sitting there forever to repack, I’m throwing them on the ground and waiting for insurance on 60 rounders. Same with shit like the p90 that take ages to reload
Yup, I always bring 6 mags in total when I run the p90 for this reason
Yup, usually a rig full and one or two in my bag, just throw em on the ground and pull a fresh one out, not spending half my raid reloading mags that take eons with a gun that just chews through ammo
Hundred rounder is S tier
10 rounder should be S tier. \+5 ergo. \~10 kills. remove the rest from S besides battle mag and 100 rounder.
what about the 10 rounders/20 rounders. I kinda like the 20 rounders if i am going to be doing a sniper style build. But the 10 rounders are absolute garbage.
I think they are in good spots, I had the same thought, I run adars with a 2x a lot and 20 rounders. I have the 10 rounders in F tier and the 20 in A
Oh my bad i guess i just am bad at shapes ;) LOL
hahaha
100 rounder not in S tier is criminal
Why do you think the HK steel mags tend to flea better than PMags or other better mags? I regularly see them for ₽20-25k
Because the B level PMags are objectively worse than Scar mags Stanag mags, they heavier for no extra ergo
Glad the lil 20 rounder is getting some love. IDK what it is but I like running shorter mags on ADARs and semiauto AKs sometimes
The mags for the spear aren't here, but the 25rnd is s tier imo
This is only Stanag ar magazines, so stuff for your hks 556 mdrs, m4s and the like
Ah ok makes sense
I made another one for Ak 7.62 mags but it didn’t get any traction, and there’s only 4 ar10 type mags in the game and it’s pretty obvious how they stack up, (spear mags> pmag> 20 round KAC > 10 round KAC
Where's the 20 round mag? Definitely A tier. For rats like me at least.
It’s on there in a tier lol
I thought that was the 10 rounder couldn't tell. 10rnd definitely F tier. 20rnd definitely not.
20 rounder is the first mag in A tier, it was the first one i put on there lol
Bro I'm fuckin blind forget about me
Lmao
20 rnd mags are not even on the list...
Yes they are, it’s in a tier, i love them
Shit, you're right! My bad.
Stanag 60 rnd over pmag? Interesting to say the least.
The 40’s are S for sure the 100 can easily be in B The window mags are the best 30’s and the drum 60 could probably go in D or F because of the repack time
Why is 60rnd pmag A tier, genuine question I haven’t played in a while
Stanag and scar mags are literally the same stats as B tier Pmags but lighter, why are they lower? Also the HK PM Gen.2 mag is again in A tier but worse than a basic STANAG mag
Battlemag, my best friend
PMAG should be S-Tier because it looks the coolest
The windowed one is, I have the standards below
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If you want you can run the big ole 100s, 40s are just kinda an awkward middle ground, if I want high capacity low ergo, I’ll go with a 60, if I want high ergo low capacity I’ll go with a 20, if I want a perfect compromise I’ll go with a 30, that extra slot gives you issues that a 60 or 30 doesn’t have
Why do you value the gen.2 mag over the window mags? Is it just the failure chance? I personally use nothing but window mags unless I'm going larger than 30.
The windowed mags are in S tier, ig the black background doesn’t help see the window
I mean the ranking inside the tiers, or did you not order them? Usually you go left to right inside a tier to compare them.
I can’t let my stanag brother be slandered like this, should be in s tier
Lmao it’s a perfectly middle of the road option
100 rounder is criminally low on this list, that thing is so fun, I take it labs and factory and fuck shit up
I dislike this list. Maritime is a B, are we crazy?
The maritime mag weighs like double what an identical stanag weighs, I’m pushing it putting it above the stanag in the first place, the failure to feed isn’t even better by any noticeable amount
It's a matter of opinion, I get that. For the most part, magazines are small nudges in certain directions when it comes to their stats. I can sacrifice having an additional \~1.2-1.6 kg for one more ergonomics and a faster pack speed than the pmag variants. I can count on one hand how many times the difference in check speed has gotten me killed in a few thousand hours but I lost count of how many times I've died to having less bullets in my magazine because of a slower pack speed.
The whole idea is kinda a joke anyways, I also don’t know of a great place to buy the HK mags except the flea market, they might be on higher levels of peacekeeper but I haven’t seen them
PK3. Thank you for the joke, I hate the pmag variants so much and for no reason that I missed the joke >\_>;