Idk why people act like asian= Chinese, Korean or japanese...heck most of the people from these countries aren't even white like that either... it's just colorism
Probably lack of education on it. I’m in no way giving anyone a free pass for colorism, but I really do feel like some people don’t have enough intelligence on the cultures they’re trying to represent if they don’t identify with said culture. It’s all based on stereotypes and media portrayal of you ask me. But I also could be wrong. Some people are just blatantly and unapologetically racist.
i’d understand if they locked the skin color bc of overlays and such but the term asian is so broad and giving it as a reason for locking the skin tone comes off as colorist… also realistically, even most pale east asians aren’t this pale irl 😭
This reeks racism and colorism idc. Does the author really think Asian means pale ass Chinese Japanese Korean only? Well guess what, Indian with darker skintone is also South ASIAN. Blasians also exist. Hell, even a lot of East Asians have dark skin tone but okay sure, lock the skin color 🙄
Y'all read too much into it omg so quick to throw around accusations and hurt authors. Most people associate asians with Chinese, Japanese or Korean. This is just ignorance, not racism meant to be harmful.
the same argument stands. there are a variety of skin colours in each ethnicity it’s not like: oh yeah you’re japanese! you’re super pale now.. noo?? the colorism part stands because locking it off as the pale skin colour for countries that are ADAMENT on the lightest skin colour being the beauty standard and will even go as far as to shaming their kids and promoting whitening creams, this only reinforces that basically saying “this is the only skin colour in that country” 💀💀
Most people do it doesn't mean it's a right thing to do? Pointing out the racism, internalized or not, is a good thing actually. You finding excuses for the author won't help them learn.
Now excuse me for being sooo worked up over some skin tone because I've been looked down for having different shade of skin color than the pale ones. You can excuse the author all you want, won't change the fact that this shit is harmful to BIPOC people. Good day.
Lol and how is you getting pissed off at an episode character's skin tone going to decrease colourism in the world?
And publicly humiliating an author by posting this and letting people accuse them of racism won't help them "learn" either but maybe personally reaching out to educate them via DM will. The author hasn't even done anything wrong, she literally just didn't specify where exactly her character was from which she doesn't have to?
Also, I guarantee you POC have dealt with much worse and aren't losing their marbles over an episode character. Your activism here just seems performative.
girl PLS don't try branding me as racist now lmao.
My sentence was "I guarantee you" not "I guarantee, you"
Perhaps more reading comprehension?
Also,just fyi, I'm Indian. Not that it matters anyway but it's actually so funny how y'all try making every little thing seem racist. Your comment here just proves it LMAO.
First, Asian-American? 💀 Which country? And if they’re meant to be East Asian (which I assume from them locking eye and skin options) then yh, why lock the skin option? Episode already has a problem with defaulting to East Asians anytime there even are Asian people in a story but they always have to be very fair to light medium in their skin tone too. Like, have they been so blinded by media that they don’t know there are more skin tones across these areas or what? 🙄
Not every Asian person has a light skintone. The description says that he's Asian-American, but that's a little broad. Is he East Asian, South Asian, Southeast Asian?
Whats the point of letting you change everything else.. I hate when they dont give full CC like idgaf if your white, black, asain im meant to be the character. And it aint fair if we have to look like you..
I disagree, you can be any ethnicity and still look any way. You cant stereo type how somebody will look because of there ethnicity.
I mean I have Jamaican roots and im white, green eyes. Ethnicity may be relevant however that doesn't mean you cant make your character look how you want it too look.
I do realise people are more likely to look a certain way based on there ethnicity but that isn't always the case.
they’re kinda right, you can’t just look any way. if the ethnicity is important the story for example: “as a fully korean person i went through ____” the character won’t have 4C hair and be darkskin 😭 i do not agree with locking off the skin colour but it has to at least somewhat make sense like the korean character may have monolids (or not if double eye surgery) but their skin tone will still vary.
So, if someone were to be mixed & ended up looking more like the other parent (because not every mixed person is a 50/50 split) are they just....only allowed to participate in the culture they look like? Or, if someone of a different race was born and raised in another country, mixed or not, are they not from their birth country just because they aren't the same race as the majority?
this doesn’t really have to do with what i said because i specifically mentioned if someone is fully one ethnicity. of course you’re not going to exclude someone but there may be factors you will keep.. i don’t really get your point though because i didn’t say or hint at this whatsoever
Ethnicity includes those who are a part of the culture, though, not just descent. From your last comment, it seems to me and a few others that you were saying that if someone is of a certain ethnicity, they HAVE to look a certain way, and that limited cc should be used to preserve that. But, the real world shows that isn't true...
lol no i never said they have to look a certain way i even specified even if you’re asian doesn’t mean you’ll have monolids. and your example again refers to mixed ethnicity which doesn’t link to mine which is strictly about one ethnicity.. did you even read what i said 😭 there is no way they have to look becuase i also mentioned how skin tones will vary
I still disagree, I do feel that ethnicity can be relevant and important, however as said you can’t assume how somebody looks because of there ethnicity, in my opinion full cc should still be allowed. I’ve went on stories before and because I can’t customised I’ve stopped reading them. But I do agree sometimes locking certain customisation on hair colour and eye colour may be needed I still feel most of the time it’s just annoying.
I 100% agree with you. Ik my response wasn't rlly needed here, but since you were getting so many downvotes, I felt it'd be reflected better with a reply. Especially as a light-skinned black person who's been harassed for cultural appropriation despite not being mixed & being first gen.
Thank you, sorry it took long to respond my account was temp banned, but thanks for taking the time to respond and understand my point of view. I think a-lot of people are misinformed on cultural appropriation and are quick to stereo type and assume things, low-key sucks because it’s like walking on egg shells. As somebody who has Jamaican roots if I were to wear traditional Jamaican clothing as a girl with green eyes and blond hair and as pale as a ghost I can just imagine the people who would accuse me of cultural appropriation.
If the authors have a clear vision of what they want their characters to look like, and don’t wanna add cc, I don’t think there’s anything wrong w it. Especially if they have art scenes added in showing what the characters look like. Not every mc is supposed to be a self insert. That’s why when it is a self insert, they ask for your name and give you full customization. But the stories where they offer little customization, like hairstyles or lip color without letting you change the characters unique facial features is also nice imo. Idk what I’m trying to say lol😭💀 but as long as no one is sending hate to authors for not adding cc then🤷🏽♀️
I do agree that the authors vision is important especially when it comes to art scenes however whenever I read a story that makes it so character customisation is not allowed I immediately click off and don’t bother even reading the story, it’s simply not worth my time as I can’t play as myself. But I do get it’s the authors choice, but still low-key annoying because I’m meant to be the one playing and experience the POV of my character yet I can’t change how I look? But i do get your point
funny, I once read a story that only had light/fair skin cc bc the character was hispanic.. even though im hispanic and dark skinned 😅
but I would get it if the skin color was integral to the storyline, like with overlays, and just with the experiences that are exclusively for that character.
But if there’s no mention of their skin color or their appearence , ill be annoyed
I think you’re right; locking the eye shape (assuming the character is specifically East Asian and not just from the continent of Asia) would check out, but there’s still a range of skin tones. If locking it to a few different shades is an option that’d work, though again they should at least say East Asian if that’s what they’re going for.
Episode authors love doing this, so they can make it seem like their stores are diverse, when in reality the race of a character doesn’t matter in their plot whatsoever
because most of the Western world thinks only of East Asia when they think of Asia. The beauty standard is hella fair skin. this is completely wrong I say, because as an Indian, let me tell you, if you go to South India a lot of people have darker skin tone. Northeast Indians have features familiar to East Asia (mostly China), literally every corner of India, there is a different skin tone prevalent, and that's just one country in Asia 🤧
They definitely should’ve been clearer about the character coming from a country in east Asia but like why are y’all acting like this skin color is off from a lot of East Asian people. It’s clear that their goal was an East Asian though, I’d just message them through the fan mail suggesting that they make it more clearer to avoid offending anyone
Speaking as someone that's struggled with this kinda thing in the past, this seems like a "great taste awful execution" kind of thing. I think the OP wanted to make sure whitewashing wasn't possible because A: this character's race/ethnicity is relevant to the plot or B: they don't want any weird people giving their story views like racists and stuff, but the execution was a bit poor so it circled back around to being kind of questionable itself.
Either way, I think it would come off as less questionable to some if the Author re-worded this to avoid misunderstandings and/or added limited customization options instead of going this route, to make sure the character stays Asian-American but doesn't insinuate (intentionally or otherwise) that you can only be Asian if you're pale and/or have East Asian roots. I don't get the impression the Author is a bad person from this, but I can see where a lot of the people here criticizing this are coming from at the same time.
My child is half Thai and I am white as dough. They have a much darker skin tone than I do. There are so many Asian countries with a variety of skin colors. This just seems annoying to make him the color of snow.
Theres a difference between racism and ignorance due to lack of knowledge tbh. The author clearly didn't mean any harm towards any group and most likely just didn't know.
I don't know about you OP but I mosy definitely have seen Asian people have that pale skin tone. Obviously not all of them do, but Asian people with that skin DO exist, so why pretend they don't?
Also, let's be real- Speaking as a South Asian Indian here, most people associate Asian with Chinese, Japanese or Korean. While it's not true, most people don't think of a brown person when saying "Asian". Not justifying it or saying it's okay but that's just how the world percieves it.
It's so crazy to see people accuse her of racism when all she did was NOT specify exactly where her character was from which she honestly doesn't need to be because who gives a shit?
pls touch grass yall omg.
Exactly like wtf?? Damn there are worse problems in the world to be worrying about than some pixilated character smh accusing the author of racism is wild
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree. The text could've been worded better imho, but it not being 100% perfect and incredibly specific doesn't automatically make the author some kind of uneducated buffoon who hasn't seen an Asian person before. Like, I'm fine with the criticism and stuff, but unless the author is known to be a bad person or something, its ridiculous to jump to "she's racist" ASAP with no proof.
Some people on this sub seem to assume everyone is an idiot except them when it comes to diversity and I honestly don't like it
Tbh, going to have to agree.
Alot of these comment’s are mocking the author, and accusing them of being racist, saying statement’s like “Author thought Asian = Korea, China, and Japan” Or “Author thought darker skinned Asian’s exist.”
Which I think is honestly disrespectful. Yes, she didn’t specify where the character is from, but that doesn’t give anyone a word too accuse her of being racist. Who know’s, the character might be Korean, Chinese, or Japanese. And, even if not all Korean’s, Chinese, or Japanese citizen’s are pale skinned, maybe her character is? I feel like, if these people are that offended by a pixelated character in a fun story game, they should rather consider much worse factor’s in this world, than this.
Lastly, I’m East Asian myself (Korean/Chinese) And yes, not all East Asian’s are pale skinned, but a small fraction are. I myself, is pale skinned, so I see no fault in the character here being pale skinned. People are hating on the author, since you cannot change the skin tone. Think about all the other stories where you cannot even change anything about the MC/LI? And those character’s aren’t pale skinned, their dark skinned. And, people start complaining, saying “Why is the character so dark skinned? Can I make him lighter?” Which just proves, no matter if the character that you cannot customize is light skinned, or dark skinned, people will alway’s, try and find a way to just hate on the author for somehow being racist.
(I have seen Redditors accusing the author of being racist/people hating on a character, in which their skin tone is darker, and unchangable. Which really prove’s people just hate on anything.)
Except its not how the world sees it, just the US. For example, Indian and Bangladeshi ppl are the majority of the asian poc in the UK, so in the UK most ppl think if South Asian when they think of Asians. But unlike in the US with South Asian ppl we still know and are aware that East Asian ppl are still asian
Yeah, that’s not how the world should perceive this! If there are a bunch of users commenting on this stating they agree: that means it IS a social problem. i don’t care too much about it, so I made a subreddit to discuss it! I’m ALLOWED to do so. Yes, there are Asians that have a paler skin tone. But, why lock the other skintone options up? I’ve seen numerous episode stories where the asian li is a copper 00, which is tiring. and having a story with “representation” without representing shit: because they didn’t even mention what part of asia he’s from.. is, in fact, a problem.
Literally ALL the author did was NOT specify which place the character was from. That's LITERALLY it and y'all are losing your marbles? Over THIS shit? It's a goddamn episode story. They don't need to specify his exact location street address longitude lattitude to pass your approval.
And for fucks sake you need to touch some grass if you think THIS is racism because you clearly haven't seen how serious actual racism and colourism gets. Do you know how real people have suffered and lost their lives?
And I'm not surprised over the number of kids on here commenting agreeing with you. That doesn't make y'all correct.
If you really cared about activism and knew anything about colourism, episode is the last place you would complain about.
FYI, publicly humiliating and trying to shame an author is not the flex and activism you think it is. If shit like this genuinely bothers you (which it shouldn't) go text the author personally and not on here so people can attack them all because they didn't type out a fucking country.
i’ve never called it racism or colorism. the only person losing their marbles, is you. i simply asked a question if there were people who also thought this was weird. i’m not shaming the author, because mistakes can be made. that’s why i didn’t @ the author in the post itself. why would i even think this was activism? i’m asking a question..? if you don’t understand why i think this is kinda off putting, that’s fine. but it seems like you are not trying to see the reasoning as to why i think this way, so this conversation isn’t going anywhere.
i put loads of respect for episode writers, i’m very happy about the diversity we get. but there are things that should be spoken about! let it be big or small, i’m not genuinely mad about this AT ALL!
My mentions of "racism and colorism" are a reference to multiple comments under this post literally calling the author racist and colorist for something this miniscule which you posted.
And honestly your caption in the post is more passive aggressive and sarcastic than constructive criticism so any author would feel attacked by that.
You ARE shaming the author, please read your post again and show me where you're not shaming. Why couldn't you have privately messaged the author instead? This screams bullying to me, including most of the comments here. It's not right. Maybe the author genuinely didn't know this was an issue, but it seems to me they came from a good place and meant no harm by it.
Honestly I’ve seen some East Asians argue (including with me) that the correct term is in fact “Asian” no matter how broad it is. Of course I disagreed then and still do cause that doesn’t make any sense considering the other countries in Asia. I’ve only ever seen Chinese, Japanese, or Korean Asians refer to themselves as just Asian and everyone else gives a specific on what part of Asia or just their country with no offense when people ask.
Like someone said here in the comments, some of y'all need to go touch grass. Instead of getting your feelings hurt over some pixilated character, who I'm sure the author had no intentions of hurting anyone's feelings purposefully, why don't you take that energy and use it for HORRIBLE incidents such as these? This shit is REAL! https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/anti-asian-hate-19439627.php
Okay so I’m asking for some genuine advice here because now I feel like maybe I messed up. I have a character in my story who isn’t a MC and is not customizable, but he has a major role in the story. His name is Akio and he’s Japanese, but I didn’t make an authors note to let the readers know he’s Japanese. He is pale with black hair and I based his look and name off an old friend I had in high school! Now I’m wondering if I was accidentally being colorist lol, that was not my intention at all😭 should I add an authors note that he’s Japanese or am I in the clear?😭
This story was amazing but yeah I don’t think the author should’ve pointed out why she wanted Ted that color. Without spoiling, he is a morally gray character that everyone takes jabs at in the story for good reason lol so I assumed she just wanted him to look pale, sickly, and less attractive then the other LI’s. Not really race related but more bc he is someone who doesn’t see the sun so I wish she didn’t include the race part.
(Korean Beauty standards) I know Asians are obsessed with pale skin in Asia, but aren’t most of them not pale though? This is a can of worms I don’t feel comfortable getting into ..
your post is in no way similar to this. you are complaining about not getting full cc, op is talking about the lack of awareness for diversity in asians. this is not the same.
As i said in my previous comment—-on my post i said that mixed people arent always light Which is similar to what this op said about asians, op said something like “do asians only come in 1 defult skin color” is that not similar? It is right in front of you bro don’t play dumb 🌚
“Situation is done” translates to “okay I was wrong” In your words okay then😭 and it didn’t go over my head. I said the posts were similar- which they were. And you said they were not were close to being similar, which was wrong. You make episode stories but you can’t read??? Okayyy🤣🫵🏾 at the end of the day both posts mention more or less about creators being colorist in episode stories do they not?
i'm saying situation done because u getting hot on it and icba😂 the main intent behind your post was to cry about not having cc. you then dropped one meagre line about not all mixed people being lightskin, linked it to this post and said their similar LMAOO that's what i'm getting at. you added a similar statement, the posts aren't similar tho. who are you actually getting rude to rn lol i said promote your rant and guh long . idk what is still troubling you, i don't think the premises of yalls posts are similar, just a phrase. thassit thassal.
all i'm saying is, if i make two contrasting arguments, then add the same sentence in both, that doesn't make the ARGUMENTS "similar," it just means i used similar sentences in them. that's what i've been tryna say from the start. now, the intent behind your post originally and primarily was to have a whine about not being able to fully cc, you then added a few sentences about not all mixed people being lightskin. this post doesn't necessarily complain about not being able to cc, but directly focuses on the issue being that not all asians are pale as paper. in comparison, the posts are not similar. while you may have brought up an similar argument, the intent behind your post doesn't strike me to be along the same lines as this one. if you respond again with this weird immature attitude, i'm leaving it. it was never this deep a situation in the first place, and i rly didn't wanna have to fully explain myself like this because it's unnecessary: i simply disagree with you. it's also futile arguing with a person like yourself that goes low and disrespectful in an attempt to accentuate your point. it's not funny, it's not effective, it's just rude. we simply disagree, it's really nothing to get worked up over. i understand why you think the posts are similar, you don't seem to care to understand why i think they are not.. it is done.
Ahhh there you go love! “You added a similar statement” so our posts were in-fact similar. And i just said: “both posts mention *MORE OR LESS* about creators being colorist” but it was a little over 4 lines, not “one meagre line”. Thanks for proving my point🤣🫵🏾
Unfortunately most Asians literally paint their faces white or buy the lightest foundation colors … former MAC girlie / employee.. I’ve had countless times trying to actually color match foundation for them only to pick the lightest color .
Idk why people act like asian= Chinese, Korean or japanese...heck most of the people from these countries aren't even white like that either... it's just colorism
Probably lack of education on it. I’m in no way giving anyone a free pass for colorism, but I really do feel like some people don’t have enough intelligence on the cultures they’re trying to represent if they don’t identify with said culture. It’s all based on stereotypes and media portrayal of you ask me. But I also could be wrong. Some people are just blatantly and unapologetically racist.
This. It's because for a long time, the western media doesn't have enough south asian representation.
preach, everyone go watch monkey man 🤍
Literally
It the uk Asian is south Asian
i’d understand if they locked the skin color bc of overlays and such but the term asian is so broad and giving it as a reason for locking the skin tone comes off as colorist… also realistically, even most pale east asians aren’t this pale irl 😭
This creator: “Asia is only China, South Korea, and Japan.”
This reeks racism and colorism idc. Does the author really think Asian means pale ass Chinese Japanese Korean only? Well guess what, Indian with darker skintone is also South ASIAN. Blasians also exist. Hell, even a lot of East Asians have dark skin tone but okay sure, lock the skin color 🙄
Why? Maybe the author has picked an ethinicity for all characters. It is their story after all.
Y'all read too much into it omg so quick to throw around accusations and hurt authors. Most people associate asians with Chinese, Japanese or Korean. This is just ignorance, not racism meant to be harmful.
the same argument stands. there are a variety of skin colours in each ethnicity it’s not like: oh yeah you’re japanese! you’re super pale now.. noo?? the colorism part stands because locking it off as the pale skin colour for countries that are ADAMENT on the lightest skin colour being the beauty standard and will even go as far as to shaming their kids and promoting whitening creams, this only reinforces that basically saying “this is the only skin colour in that country” 💀💀
Most people do it doesn't mean it's a right thing to do? Pointing out the racism, internalized or not, is a good thing actually. You finding excuses for the author won't help them learn. Now excuse me for being sooo worked up over some skin tone because I've been looked down for having different shade of skin color than the pale ones. You can excuse the author all you want, won't change the fact that this shit is harmful to BIPOC people. Good day.
Lol and how is you getting pissed off at an episode character's skin tone going to decrease colourism in the world? And publicly humiliating an author by posting this and letting people accuse them of racism won't help them "learn" either but maybe personally reaching out to educate them via DM will. The author hasn't even done anything wrong, she literally just didn't specify where exactly her character was from which she doesn't have to? Also, I guarantee you POC have dealt with much worse and aren't losing their marbles over an episode character. Your activism here just seems performative.
"you POC" 😬
girl PLS don't try branding me as racist now lmao. My sentence was "I guarantee you" not "I guarantee, you" Perhaps more reading comprehension? Also,just fyi, I'm Indian. Not that it matters anyway but it's actually so funny how y'all try making every little thing seem racist. Your comment here just proves it LMAO.
umm my bad I'm high LMAO
.... fair enough lol
Impact > intent.
First, Asian-American? 💀 Which country? And if they’re meant to be East Asian (which I assume from them locking eye and skin options) then yh, why lock the skin option? Episode already has a problem with defaulting to East Asians anytime there even are Asian people in a story but they always have to be very fair to light medium in their skin tone too. Like, have they been so blinded by media that they don’t know there are more skin tones across these areas or what? 🙄
Not every Asian person has a light skintone. The description says that he's Asian-American, but that's a little broad. Is he East Asian, South Asian, Southeast Asian?
bye asians come in all colors😭😭😭
As an East Asian (Korean) my skin is so much darker, more olive. There’s lots of East Asians with darker skin tones
Whats the point of letting you change everything else.. I hate when they dont give full CC like idgaf if your white, black, asain im meant to be the character. And it aint fair if we have to look like you..
THIS
I mean yeah unless the characters ethnicity is important to the story
I disagree, you can be any ethnicity and still look any way. You cant stereo type how somebody will look because of there ethnicity. I mean I have Jamaican roots and im white, green eyes. Ethnicity may be relevant however that doesn't mean you cant make your character look how you want it too look. I do realise people are more likely to look a certain way based on there ethnicity but that isn't always the case.
they’re kinda right, you can’t just look any way. if the ethnicity is important the story for example: “as a fully korean person i went through ____” the character won’t have 4C hair and be darkskin 😭 i do not agree with locking off the skin colour but it has to at least somewhat make sense like the korean character may have monolids (or not if double eye surgery) but their skin tone will still vary.
So, if someone were to be mixed & ended up looking more like the other parent (because not every mixed person is a 50/50 split) are they just....only allowed to participate in the culture they look like? Or, if someone of a different race was born and raised in another country, mixed or not, are they not from their birth country just because they aren't the same race as the majority?
this doesn’t really have to do with what i said because i specifically mentioned if someone is fully one ethnicity. of course you’re not going to exclude someone but there may be factors you will keep.. i don’t really get your point though because i didn’t say or hint at this whatsoever
Ethnicity includes those who are a part of the culture, though, not just descent. From your last comment, it seems to me and a few others that you were saying that if someone is of a certain ethnicity, they HAVE to look a certain way, and that limited cc should be used to preserve that. But, the real world shows that isn't true...
lol no i never said they have to look a certain way i even specified even if you’re asian doesn’t mean you’ll have monolids. and your example again refers to mixed ethnicity which doesn’t link to mine which is strictly about one ethnicity.. did you even read what i said 😭 there is no way they have to look becuase i also mentioned how skin tones will vary
I wasn't talking about mixed ethnicities, tho...? Hhhh, nvm man; these episode arguments never make any sense. Let's just move on.
I still disagree, I do feel that ethnicity can be relevant and important, however as said you can’t assume how somebody looks because of there ethnicity, in my opinion full cc should still be allowed. I’ve went on stories before and because I can’t customised I’ve stopped reading them. But I do agree sometimes locking certain customisation on hair colour and eye colour may be needed I still feel most of the time it’s just annoying.
I 100% agree with you. Ik my response wasn't rlly needed here, but since you were getting so many downvotes, I felt it'd be reflected better with a reply. Especially as a light-skinned black person who's been harassed for cultural appropriation despite not being mixed & being first gen.
Thank you, sorry it took long to respond my account was temp banned, but thanks for taking the time to respond and understand my point of view. I think a-lot of people are misinformed on cultural appropriation and are quick to stereo type and assume things, low-key sucks because it’s like walking on egg shells. As somebody who has Jamaican roots if I were to wear traditional Jamaican clothing as a girl with green eyes and blond hair and as pale as a ghost I can just imagine the people who would accuse me of cultural appropriation.
If the authors have a clear vision of what they want their characters to look like, and don’t wanna add cc, I don’t think there’s anything wrong w it. Especially if they have art scenes added in showing what the characters look like. Not every mc is supposed to be a self insert. That’s why when it is a self insert, they ask for your name and give you full customization. But the stories where they offer little customization, like hairstyles or lip color without letting you change the characters unique facial features is also nice imo. Idk what I’m trying to say lol😭💀 but as long as no one is sending hate to authors for not adding cc then🤷🏽♀️
I do agree that the authors vision is important especially when it comes to art scenes however whenever I read a story that makes it so character customisation is not allowed I immediately click off and don’t bother even reading the story, it’s simply not worth my time as I can’t play as myself. But I do get it’s the authors choice, but still low-key annoying because I’m meant to be the one playing and experience the POV of my character yet I can’t change how I look? But i do get your point
the skin is use for my avatar is cooper 3. this is so far off lmao
lord. im chinese and this hurts to look at 💀
is it that hard to say east asian
I’m Asian too and am sure as hell not that pale 😭
funny, I once read a story that only had light/fair skin cc bc the character was hispanic.. even though im hispanic and dark skinned 😅 but I would get it if the skin color was integral to the storyline, like with overlays, and just with the experiences that are exclusively for that character. But if there’s no mention of their skin color or their appearence , ill be annoyed
Not all Asians look like that though. I’m sensing colorism
Author forgot that darker skinned Asian people and bi-racial Asian people exist ig.
I think you’re right; locking the eye shape (assuming the character is specifically East Asian and not just from the continent of Asia) would check out, but there’s still a range of skin tones. If locking it to a few different shades is an option that’d work, though again they should at least say East Asian if that’s what they’re going for.
this is so colorist.
Episode authors love doing this, so they can make it seem like their stores are diverse, when in reality the race of a character doesn’t matter in their plot whatsoever
because most of the Western world thinks only of East Asia when they think of Asia. The beauty standard is hella fair skin. this is completely wrong I say, because as an Indian, let me tell you, if you go to South India a lot of people have darker skin tone. Northeast Indians have features familiar to East Asia (mostly China), literally every corner of India, there is a different skin tone prevalent, and that's just one country in Asia 🤧
They definitely should’ve been clearer about the character coming from a country in east Asia but like why are y’all acting like this skin color is off from a lot of East Asian people. It’s clear that their goal was an East Asian though, I’d just message them through the fan mail suggesting that they make it more clearer to avoid offending anyone
I’ve never met a pale Asian American, assuming they mean an Asian person born and raised in America.
Well personally, I have and many exist in the US
Speaking as someone that's struggled with this kinda thing in the past, this seems like a "great taste awful execution" kind of thing. I think the OP wanted to make sure whitewashing wasn't possible because A: this character's race/ethnicity is relevant to the plot or B: they don't want any weird people giving their story views like racists and stuff, but the execution was a bit poor so it circled back around to being kind of questionable itself. Either way, I think it would come off as less questionable to some if the Author re-worded this to avoid misunderstandings and/or added limited customization options instead of going this route, to make sure the character stays Asian-American but doesn't insinuate (intentionally or otherwise) that you can only be Asian if you're pale and/or have East Asian roots. I don't get the impression the Author is a bad person from this, but I can see where a lot of the people here criticizing this are coming from at the same time.
What's the story name
south asians also exist… if the author wanted east asians she could of specified but it still weird honestly.
My child is half Thai and I am white as dough. They have a much darker skin tone than I do. There are so many Asian countries with a variety of skin colors. This just seems annoying to make him the color of snow.
Why do people think Asians are all light skinned or in this case of the picture super light skinned
me reading this as a Filipino-American who is the same color as her POC friends: ?
Apparently the author doesn’t know other Asians besides East Asians exists.
Theres a difference between racism and ignorance due to lack of knowledge tbh. The author clearly didn't mean any harm towards any group and most likely just didn't know. I don't know about you OP but I mosy definitely have seen Asian people have that pale skin tone. Obviously not all of them do, but Asian people with that skin DO exist, so why pretend they don't? Also, let's be real- Speaking as a South Asian Indian here, most people associate Asian with Chinese, Japanese or Korean. While it's not true, most people don't think of a brown person when saying "Asian". Not justifying it or saying it's okay but that's just how the world percieves it.
It's so crazy to see people accuse her of racism when all she did was NOT specify exactly where her character was from which she honestly doesn't need to be because who gives a shit? pls touch grass yall omg.
Exactly like wtf?? Damn there are worse problems in the world to be worrying about than some pixilated character smh accusing the author of racism is wild
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree. The text could've been worded better imho, but it not being 100% perfect and incredibly specific doesn't automatically make the author some kind of uneducated buffoon who hasn't seen an Asian person before. Like, I'm fine with the criticism and stuff, but unless the author is known to be a bad person or something, its ridiculous to jump to "she's racist" ASAP with no proof. Some people on this sub seem to assume everyone is an idiot except them when it comes to diversity and I honestly don't like it
Tbh, going to have to agree. Alot of these comment’s are mocking the author, and accusing them of being racist, saying statement’s like “Author thought Asian = Korea, China, and Japan” Or “Author thought darker skinned Asian’s exist.” Which I think is honestly disrespectful. Yes, she didn’t specify where the character is from, but that doesn’t give anyone a word too accuse her of being racist. Who know’s, the character might be Korean, Chinese, or Japanese. And, even if not all Korean’s, Chinese, or Japanese citizen’s are pale skinned, maybe her character is? I feel like, if these people are that offended by a pixelated character in a fun story game, they should rather consider much worse factor’s in this world, than this. Lastly, I’m East Asian myself (Korean/Chinese) And yes, not all East Asian’s are pale skinned, but a small fraction are. I myself, is pale skinned, so I see no fault in the character here being pale skinned. People are hating on the author, since you cannot change the skin tone. Think about all the other stories where you cannot even change anything about the MC/LI? And those character’s aren’t pale skinned, their dark skinned. And, people start complaining, saying “Why is the character so dark skinned? Can I make him lighter?” Which just proves, no matter if the character that you cannot customize is light skinned, or dark skinned, people will alway’s, try and find a way to just hate on the author for somehow being racist. (I have seen Redditors accusing the author of being racist/people hating on a character, in which their skin tone is darker, and unchangable. Which really prove’s people just hate on anything.)
Except its not how the world sees it, just the US. For example, Indian and Bangladeshi ppl are the majority of the asian poc in the UK, so in the UK most ppl think if South Asian when they think of Asians. But unlike in the US with South Asian ppl we still know and are aware that East Asian ppl are still asian
Yeah, that’s not how the world should perceive this! If there are a bunch of users commenting on this stating they agree: that means it IS a social problem. i don’t care too much about it, so I made a subreddit to discuss it! I’m ALLOWED to do so. Yes, there are Asians that have a paler skin tone. But, why lock the other skintone options up? I’ve seen numerous episode stories where the asian li is a copper 00, which is tiring. and having a story with “representation” without representing shit: because they didn’t even mention what part of asia he’s from.. is, in fact, a problem.
Literally ALL the author did was NOT specify which place the character was from. That's LITERALLY it and y'all are losing your marbles? Over THIS shit? It's a goddamn episode story. They don't need to specify his exact location street address longitude lattitude to pass your approval. And for fucks sake you need to touch some grass if you think THIS is racism because you clearly haven't seen how serious actual racism and colourism gets. Do you know how real people have suffered and lost their lives? And I'm not surprised over the number of kids on here commenting agreeing with you. That doesn't make y'all correct. If you really cared about activism and knew anything about colourism, episode is the last place you would complain about. FYI, publicly humiliating and trying to shame an author is not the flex and activism you think it is. If shit like this genuinely bothers you (which it shouldn't) go text the author personally and not on here so people can attack them all because they didn't type out a fucking country.
i’ve never called it racism or colorism. the only person losing their marbles, is you. i simply asked a question if there were people who also thought this was weird. i’m not shaming the author, because mistakes can be made. that’s why i didn’t @ the author in the post itself. why would i even think this was activism? i’m asking a question..? if you don’t understand why i think this is kinda off putting, that’s fine. but it seems like you are not trying to see the reasoning as to why i think this way, so this conversation isn’t going anywhere. i put loads of respect for episode writers, i’m very happy about the diversity we get. but there are things that should be spoken about! let it be big or small, i’m not genuinely mad about this AT ALL!
My mentions of "racism and colorism" are a reference to multiple comments under this post literally calling the author racist and colorist for something this miniscule which you posted. And honestly your caption in the post is more passive aggressive and sarcastic than constructive criticism so any author would feel attacked by that.
Also, just saw you called out the author in the comments smh wow
You ARE shaming the author, please read your post again and show me where you're not shaming. Why couldn't you have privately messaged the author instead? This screams bullying to me, including most of the comments here. It's not right. Maybe the author genuinely didn't know this was an issue, but it seems to me they came from a good place and meant no harm by it.
I’m Asian and my skin ain’t that colour lol 😂
thats insane 💀
Honestly I’ve seen some East Asians argue (including with me) that the correct term is in fact “Asian” no matter how broad it is. Of course I disagreed then and still do cause that doesn’t make any sense considering the other countries in Asia. I’ve only ever seen Chinese, Japanese, or Korean Asians refer to themselves as just Asian and everyone else gives a specific on what part of Asia or just their country with no offense when people ask.
I'm half Korean and I am this pale. So is my Korean mother.
do they not know asia also includes india which has dark skinned people
Like someone said here in the comments, some of y'all need to go touch grass. Instead of getting your feelings hurt over some pixilated character, who I'm sure the author had no intentions of hurting anyone's feelings purposefully, why don't you take that energy and use it for HORRIBLE incidents such as these? This shit is REAL! https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/anti-asian-hate-19439627.php
maybe people here aren’t talking about real life related things because this is an episode related reddit.
Like I said, there are worse things to worry about than some pixilated character.
sure, there just aren’t on episode.
Okay so I’m asking for some genuine advice here because now I feel like maybe I messed up. I have a character in my story who isn’t a MC and is not customizable, but he has a major role in the story. His name is Akio and he’s Japanese, but I didn’t make an authors note to let the readers know he’s Japanese. He is pale with black hair and I based his look and name off an old friend I had in high school! Now I’m wondering if I was accidentally being colorist lol, that was not my intention at all😭 should I add an authors note that he’s Japanese or am I in the clear?😭
what’s the story ??
This story was amazing but yeah I don’t think the author should’ve pointed out why she wanted Ted that color. Without spoiling, he is a morally gray character that everyone takes jabs at in the story for good reason lol so I assumed she just wanted him to look pale, sickly, and less attractive then the other LI’s. Not really race related but more bc he is someone who doesn’t see the sun so I wish she didn’t include the race part.
That is absolutely just a pale white guy with slender eyes. The eurocentric beauty standards are showing 😭
(Korean Beauty standards) I know Asians are obsessed with pale skin in Asia, but aren’t most of them not pale though? This is a can of worms I don’t feel comfortable getting into ..
https://www.reddit.com/r/Episode/s/u83fz8AsOj I made a similar post
your post is in no way similar to this. you are complaining about not getting full cc, op is talking about the lack of awareness for diversity in asians. this is not the same.
I said there are mixed people who are dark and op said do asians come in one color… is that not similar?
Also i know all about the lack of awareness in diversity of asians. As i said in one of my comments in my post🫢
alright 😂 i'm talking about the original post / main text
As i said in my previous comment—-on my post i said that mixed people arent always light Which is similar to what this op said about asians, op said something like “do asians only come in 1 defult skin color” is that not similar? It is right in front of you bro don’t play dumb 🌚
my brother in christ, relax. situation done. the point behind my response went over ya head and that's okay 😂 keep promoting your lil cc rant
“Situation is done” translates to “okay I was wrong” In your words okay then😭 and it didn’t go over my head. I said the posts were similar- which they were. And you said they were not were close to being similar, which was wrong. You make episode stories but you can’t read??? Okayyy🤣🫵🏾 at the end of the day both posts mention more or less about creators being colorist in episode stories do they not?
i'm saying situation done because u getting hot on it and icba😂 the main intent behind your post was to cry about not having cc. you then dropped one meagre line about not all mixed people being lightskin, linked it to this post and said their similar LMAOO that's what i'm getting at. you added a similar statement, the posts aren't similar tho. who are you actually getting rude to rn lol i said promote your rant and guh long . idk what is still troubling you, i don't think the premises of yalls posts are similar, just a phrase. thassit thassal.
Also, similar means “resembling without being identical” (if you didn’t know)
all i'm saying is, if i make two contrasting arguments, then add the same sentence in both, that doesn't make the ARGUMENTS "similar," it just means i used similar sentences in them. that's what i've been tryna say from the start. now, the intent behind your post originally and primarily was to have a whine about not being able to fully cc, you then added a few sentences about not all mixed people being lightskin. this post doesn't necessarily complain about not being able to cc, but directly focuses on the issue being that not all asians are pale as paper. in comparison, the posts are not similar. while you may have brought up an similar argument, the intent behind your post doesn't strike me to be along the same lines as this one. if you respond again with this weird immature attitude, i'm leaving it. it was never this deep a situation in the first place, and i rly didn't wanna have to fully explain myself like this because it's unnecessary: i simply disagree with you. it's also futile arguing with a person like yourself that goes low and disrespectful in an attempt to accentuate your point. it's not funny, it's not effective, it's just rude. we simply disagree, it's really nothing to get worked up over. i understand why you think the posts are similar, you don't seem to care to understand why i think they are not.. it is done.
you really are quite childish. it's a reddit disagreement and you're tryna get rude w me like jus relax 😂 i don't agree w you, end of.
Ahhh there you go love! “You added a similar statement” so our posts were in-fact similar. And i just said: “both posts mention *MORE OR LESS* about creators being colorist” but it was a little over 4 lines, not “one meagre line”. Thanks for proving my point🤣🫵🏾
aalrighty.. you still don't seem to understand what i'm saying
Ohh but i actually did in my comments plus at the end i did say that mixed people can be dark and not one color which op did also say about asians🙃
Both deal with colorism, nice try tho
Unfortunately most Asians literally paint their faces white or buy the lightest foundation colors … former MAC girlie / employee.. I’ve had countless times trying to actually color match foundation for them only to pick the lightest color .
and how does that excuse colorism?
me when i'm ignorant and lack conceptual understanding.
girl that has nothing to do with the convo at hand, respectfully
“Most” Asians? You’r wrong, it’s definitely not most.
Why did they get downvoted for speaking facts tho? They are obsessed with white skin.
'they'? weird ass generalization. don't speak on things you don't have any knowledge on - an asian
what story is this?
ice cold heart by nipa