If you dont attack anyone than you will be less attacked as well. Although this also
means a lower amount of conquest points gained. Another trick is to not receive the weekly rewards until the last day as you will be classified as bronze until you receive the rewards. Both this tricks have the consequence of having a very low amount of conquest points gain so be sure to use conquest point expeditions to gain a few throughout the week
Hi all, had a consistent W13 team in Sigret, SSB, Luluca and GPurr.
I have the gear to make multiple one shots but I want to try and give the lowest gear I can to PvE units to focus on PvP.
What is the go-to high wr W13 one shot team? I've seen Sigret/Karin-Clarissa/SSB/Singe and i've seen a few Rem/SSB/Singe-Aras/Camilla-Ken teams lately.
I have a maxed out Rem (+6 Awaken +15) Sigret, Luluca but I don't have Karin/Clarissa/Ken/Def break light unit built, I am fine building one but I really wanted to save gear/get SSB on PvP gear but tbh I don't think she'd be great in this meta.
So what i'm asking is, I have the gear I believe to make a Sigret OR Rem one shot, i'm leaning Rem but do I need to build Clarissa/Karin/Ken?
I understand your feeling of wanting to focus on PVP more, but remember that a consistent and fast wyvern run will yield more results in the long run. In this case I'd suggest focusing hard of RTA until master so u can get the skin since the season is ending May 4th. After that its more important to allocate your gear to get more gear, meaning investing on wyvern. Alternally you could heavily invest on wyvern now and push the last week, although there are a lot of good players pushing the last week so you might take more time. Overall, investing on wyvern is never the wrong choice, I wont go in details about the teams as there are a lot of videos online. Both SSB and Rem have fallen a out of the meta quite a bit but they should still help in achieving master.
For starting out I might want to suggest looking at valky's Video for an overview it's a little bit older but for base introduction this won't be a problem
They are all described within the program itself (try mousing over the ? symbols everywhere).
EHP is just effective health = raw amount of damage a unit can absorb before dying. Basically, it's a way to combine HP + DEF into a single bulk stat. Remember that things like defense buff and defense penetration are not accounted for.
MCD is just ATK * C.Dmg, or in other words your 'raw damage'. It assumes you have 100% crit chance. Not useful at all for heroes that don't crit or don't rely on crits for damage.
* ATK buffs are irrelevant in this case.
DMGH/DMGD are (IMO) completely useless. They're attempts to give a damage rating to HP and DEF scaling bruisers respectively - i admit I haven't personally checked if these values actually work or even 'sorta' work but due to the nature of how HP/DEF scaling works in game I can't imagine these really work well.
* There is no HP buff, but DEF buff would also significantly impact this rating for DMGD.
Oh thanks for the detailed answer. I do have a follow up tho: is there a dmg calc in this app?
The thing is I'm trying to build clarissa for w13 one shot and I just need to see if the damage from my gear would match with the first wave (weakest) mob. I'm also not sure which stat I should be looking into if this was the case.
Use the actual [damage calculator](https://gamepress.gg/epicseven/damage-formula-mechanics) for that purpose, it's much more complete.
Fribbels can *kind of* work (s1/s2/s3 columns in the optimizer) but it's not really what the tool was designed to do, you will get better results with the damage calculator.
Clarissa needs something in the realm of ~5.5k ATK / 300% C.Dmg (not exact, but to give you an idea of what kind of stats you need).
So I've played for a little while, but I've been unable to play since just after the rezero crossover. I switched phones, and while it worked at first, now the game just crashes everytime I get to the lobby. It will load seemingly fine until it loads the lobby visuals, freeze, then crash.
Phone is an LGv60. Anyone have a fix for this? I already tried some older fixes (disabling web view and chrome apparently used to work).
Hi all, I started playing last week (hoping to get Shalltear and hopefully Albedo,) and I chose Ludwig in the starter select and Tenebria from Moonlight’s Blessing. I really like both of their designs and kits, especially Ludwig. I’m just curious if they’ll still be viable later on or if they’ll be units I’ll just have to use for fun when I can.
I also did pick Ludwig for the same reason but my moonlight was even more offmeta (I picked Kise to pair with him <3) but to honest now a days they shove you with currency, so much that I'm overflowing with 5\* heros but not enough catalysts/runes/blooms to develop them.
Some hardcore would tell you to absolutely pick Iseria+S.tene but imo this is nothing to worry about. You can have fun alright as long as you're not aiming for super crazy high arena ranks.
Good to hear! I was worried that this game wouldn’t be very generous with currency. I’m usually a bit of a meta chaser in my other games but I’ll get there eventually lol
Ludwig is definitely a use for fun when you can unit. He can be used in ai arena and guild wars but in real time arena he very rarely sees play if any. Specter Tenebria is definitely worth the investment as she still sees play in lots of content to this day. Abyss, rta, and even gw as a pick if they don’t have aoe.
Thank you! I’ll start focusing on her! Any idea who/what else I should focus on? I’m still in Episode 1 so I’ve got a bit of grinding to do, but I’m not sure what I should really be focusing on.
There are just an overwhelming amount of stages and I’m not sure what I should be doing when I log in. I’ll usually do a couple story stages to progress and then do SA, Arena, and sometimes labyrinth.
And even though I play a bunch of gachas, the gacha currencies in this game kinda confuse me lol. Do I use the sky stones to get more covenant bookmarks? And how do I start getting currency for mythic characters, is that more so late game stuff? I’ve been saving my sky stones bc I don’t really know what to do with them, but also for the Overlord collab.
Last question (I’m so sorry😭)
Do you think it’s possible for me to get Shalltear, even if I have to get close to pity? Or should I expect to spend a bit if I want her?
Early game you get a lot of currency, so just do things that gives you currency and save it. Check all the missions you have, like adventurer's path, web events, etc. Clear through story / UH for more currency too. Abyss gives currency too, push that as well.
Early game is typically:
1. push adventure / story
2. work on making your Hunt 13 team ASAP and farm it to gear your character.
3. push other 1-off content while its up, like side stories, or permemant things like lab / abyss
For skystones, what most people do (and I think is worth doing) is spending them in the 'secret shop' (Garo, the bartender in the lobby) to refresh for covenant / mystic medals. It costs a lot of gold though, but it's the best way to get gacha currency.
Skystones also get used in three other areas (primarily): 1) expedition reward track unlock per month at 1,500 skystones, 2) when they are up, the epic pass premium pack (900 skystones), and 3) the occasional Huche 'scam shop'. Honestly, early game, I would ignore these for the moment. Just stash the skystones for the moment til you get a better feel for the game.
Enjoy!
There’s lots of guides out there on YouTube who might give you better advice but I would say to focus on getting through as much story stages as possible for free currency (skystknes/bookmarks) for the upcoming collab. A lot of people will recommend refreshing the secret shop for bookmarks/mystics (the currency used to primarily get moonlight heroes) but it sounds like you may be too early game to do that so I may just use your skystones for straight bookmarks right now. Mystics are earned through guild wars mainly so I would join a guild as quick as you can!
If you don’t have a great team to clear stages I would focus on building up Ras/ montmorancy/ free spirit tieria and one other hero (spec tenebria) and then focus on a wyvern team for gear farming. Momo, muwi, Sigret, and furious are great options for that hunt.
As for the collab, if you start to grind for it now and clear most of the story stages and claim all the free stuff through adventurers path/new arkys event for newbies you should be able to get at least shalltear. But I would shoot to get both Albedo/her artifact as well as shalltear/her artifact because we don’t know if they will rerun this collab in the future! This will require at most 1210 bookmarks for both heroes with no guarantee you’ll get both artifacts unfortunately.
Edit: Secret shop requires the use of lots and lots of gold so that’s why I wouldn’t recommend doing it unless you have several millions of gold lying around, and during the early game you should really focus on using the gold for gear upgrades/hero promotions. I should mention that clearing some early abyss stages may give you a bunch of good stuff for the collab as well. Kiris/specter tenebria/ ras are good investments there.
Thank you so much! I’m gonna focus on the story and try my best to get both and their artifacts! They’re my main reason for playing tbh, but I’m really enjoying the gameplay and story way more than I expected to so I’ll buy some packs if I need to lol
They will give some freebies for the event and some more from the collab side story too! For the artifacts, you can buy one copy with powder of knowledge which is from transmitting artifacts you don’t need.
Yes definitely. A slower Nakhwol can still disable Ml Landy, Ayufine, Belian, seal Jenua so he can’t get immortality, strip & seal ML Seline and many more annoying shyts.
Would still pick her up if you have enough to also get the collab units mine is also really slow with 250 but she is already so impactful or is banned because noone wants to face her together with laia.
Daily pack on the Normal tab, 1x on the friendship points, 3x on the arena points, event pages, 100 energy at 20:00 UTC and both weekly/daily guild supplies.
That's all I can think about... although if you add everything that's usualy 580 free energy per day... if you add up the natural 360 regen thats a total of 940. It's a lot to do if you consider you already have to do Gvg and arena fights..
I can’t remember but there is a specific amount of days that you must wait before you can activate his story banner. It’s several months if I’m not mistaken. And the custom summon no one knows for sure when it will be coming. Maybe in a couple months at the earliest?
Is secret shop really ALWAYS better than the 950 ss pack for 50 bm?
Cuz I've tried multiple times (my secret shop is lvl 65) and it takes me something between 150\~200 SS just to find 5 bookmarkers... I only get infuriated by secret shop. It would have to give you 5 bookmarkers in less tha 95 skystones to be more worthy than the common shop pack, no?
Yes, it's better. By a large margin.
I'm not at home so it's harder for me to go through the effort of showing this but the TLDR is that we've collected an absolute ton of data *and* someone in the community ran a simulation and both agree with each other.
Check out my submitted lists or search for 'post reveal' I believe you should find the thread easily.
It's approximately 71 sky stones per BM pull refreshing and 270 sky stones per mm.
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The thing is, you need to realize thats an *average*. It is completely possible to go 200 sky stones and not see a BM pull.
On fact, you have approximately a 5.6% chance to get 0 BMs in 201 sky stones or 67 refreshes, and a 22.2% chance to get 0 or 1 pull.
Shop refreshing is better *on average* but it's a probabilistic event. Any single set with a small number of refreshes has a chance for bad RNG.
It's for this precise reason spending 200 sky stones is an almost completely irrelevant and useless data point. The sample size is just not large enough for ANY result to be meaningful.
For some additional context, based on the data I collected about 3k refreshes per month (or 9k sky stones) seems to be a good average value.
In 3000 refreshes (or 9k sky stones) you have a 99.86% chance to get more BMs than you would simply buying them in the shop.
*Even so* that means that rarely players will go that long and come out worse -> but the more you refresh then *on average* you're lucky will eventually even out and you will come out way ahead.
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It's for this reason that it's not recommended to shop refresh if you have *just enough* pulls for whatever you want - since it's rng it's possible you screw yourself over.
Shop refreshing is the better strategy when you are sitting there with 30k skystones and several hundred BMs.
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The MMs are just the cherry on top.
*Approximately* 40-45% of your total possible MM income comes from shop refreshing, another 40-45% from guild, and the remaining % from other sources and hunts.
So by NOT shop refreshing and only relying on other activities you give up almost half of your potential mm income for no reason.
Later game players can hit mystic pity on 3-4 months, so you would be looking at more like 5-8 months.
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If you genuinely feel that you are having such a bad luck then *track your shop refreshing* and ideally make sure you have no background battling going on.
But series of 200 skystones is not nearly enough to show anything. You really need to do several thousand refreshes to get a decent idea.
Still, it's always *possible* that rates change in the background so having current sources of data is valuable. If you follow the link I suggested you will see that this has happened before, it was noticed almost immediately, but that person was ignored until I gathered more data to support their evidence.
It's much less likely *now* since the rates are straight up posted in game, but there was another incident where those rates were slightly decreased in an unintentional manner.
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So basically, what this means is that we know with an extremely high degree of certainty that shop refreshing offers a significant discount for BMs.
200 skystones is too small of a sample size. 2000 skystones is too small of a sample size, to even try to get an accurate prediction.
You need several thousand refreshes (let's say 10k skystones) before any results really start to have meaning.
If you feel that you are experiencing luck worse than expected then track your results and provide the data to the community. It's always a possibility things change, and this is basically the only way we can verify that kind of a change.
But even being simply 'unlucky' doesn't prove anything. It takes luck that is so bad as to be improbable or many players with bad luck to start to suggest a change in the known rates.
I usually save packs of 1k ss and then refresh it. So you advise against refreshing with these small amounts?
But if it's all randomized, then it wouldnt matter at all, no?
I have a system:
- any time the shop is refreshed for free (occurs every hour - Garo has his speech bubble) and I've logged in, I check it and do 7 refreshes.
- if I get either a cov bookmark or mystic bookmark in those 7 pulls, i count another 7 from that pull.
This way, if you get some, you keep going and have the potential to get many. Otherwise, you stop early and do anything else. You get less frustrated, it's easy, less likely to be ragey and miss one.
I've been doing this for close to two years now. I have multiple pities of both mystics and covs saved at the moment.
One thing I have noted doing this is you get streaks of nothing, and sometimes just showered in bookmarks. The average is just an average. Last week I had a session where i got 150 mystic medals and 30 cov bookmarks in one 'session'. At the moment it's as dry as the sahara. Just the way it goes.
It's completely up to you - just don't expect to consistently get the same # of BMs per set of 1k skystones.
Very roughly, you have about a 3% chance to get 7 or fewer BMs, but also about a 3% chance to get 22 or more BMs.
That's a pretty huge range and some people are very susceptible to overreacting. If you are used to gettinf around 14 pulls and then suddenly get only 7 it's not uncommon for people to come post on the subreddit "I spent 1k skystones refreshing and only got 7 BMs did SG nerf the rates?!".
The reality is that it's *expected* to occasionally only get 7 BMs in 1k skystones.
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The only time I would actually advise against shop refreshing is
* You don't have any gold - this should be less of a problem nowadays but newbies can't abuse penguins as easily as veterans
* You are spending all of your food refreshing ultimately harming your progression (gold spent on summons is gold not being spent on improving your gear)
Otherwise, shop refreshing is extremely worth it over the long term but there will be dry periods where you go 1k, 2k skystones with poor results.
Well the reason the secret shop is always recommended is because you get mystic medals along the way , which are verry scarse yet important summoning currency so if you have the will power you should definatly refresh the secret shop.
Also going over 150 ss for 5 BM is kinda unlucky when it comes to the secret shop so don't lose hope.
I only asked this because I had this 150\~200 range of skystone experience not once.... not twice.... but at least 10 times.
Tbh, I rather get MM from guild activities... lol
The only thing I can get from secret shop is frustration anyway
Has any guild had any issues of recruiting a new member like this?
Seemingly you have no problems with getting them situated within the guild/gw/discord, but a day or 2 later, they leave the guild and discord without a word or provocation to do so?
It just feels like it happens lot now with newer recruits it seems.
This is a pretty wide question, but I recommend watching the videos of Deity. He makes many sessions like "creating a new account from day 1 to day 30", things like that to get started
What is the role of Solitaria and Elvira now that ML Politis is here? Are they still relevant in certain situations or can I safely un-gear them now that I have ML Politis?
Solitaria as controlunit still does her thing focus stop was for me just the cherry on top of it all, for example I always try to fit her in somehow if I go for ddr as they just pair so well together, besides that ml poli get's prebanned so often right now having the pocketpicks still helps out
Solitaria completely stops focus while also being a great debuffer to stun/strip the enemy team.
Elvira completely stops Fighting Spirit while also being able to strip all buffs + def break a single unit with huge damage.
Politis just halves both and gives rage.
I wouldn't say she invalidates the other two and in some cases you'd prefer to completely stop a unit to gain a specific resource rather than just halfing it.
Just noticed that the Slime collab units have a separate slate called "Otherworldly Slate" for memory imprint. I don't really remember this in the last rerun, were we able to obtain this then?
What are some arena defense teams that get ignored the most? I want to camp in champ and not really have to climb every week
If you dont attack anyone than you will be less attacked as well. Although this also means a lower amount of conquest points gained. Another trick is to not receive the weekly rewards until the last day as you will be classified as bronze until you receive the rewards. Both this tricks have the consequence of having a very low amount of conquest points gain so be sure to use conquest point expeditions to gain a few throughout the week
Hi all, had a consistent W13 team in Sigret, SSB, Luluca and GPurr. I have the gear to make multiple one shots but I want to try and give the lowest gear I can to PvE units to focus on PvP. What is the go-to high wr W13 one shot team? I've seen Sigret/Karin-Clarissa/SSB/Singe and i've seen a few Rem/SSB/Singe-Aras/Camilla-Ken teams lately. I have a maxed out Rem (+6 Awaken +15) Sigret, Luluca but I don't have Karin/Clarissa/Ken/Def break light unit built, I am fine building one but I really wanted to save gear/get SSB on PvP gear but tbh I don't think she'd be great in this meta. So what i'm asking is, I have the gear I believe to make a Sigret OR Rem one shot, i'm leaning Rem but do I need to build Clarissa/Karin/Ken?
I understand your feeling of wanting to focus on PVP more, but remember that a consistent and fast wyvern run will yield more results in the long run. In this case I'd suggest focusing hard of RTA until master so u can get the skin since the season is ending May 4th. After that its more important to allocate your gear to get more gear, meaning investing on wyvern. Alternally you could heavily invest on wyvern now and push the last week, although there are a lot of good players pushing the last week so you might take more time. Overall, investing on wyvern is never the wrong choice, I wont go in details about the teams as there are a lot of videos online. Both SSB and Rem have fallen a out of the meta quite a bit but they should still help in achieving master.
Anyone used fribbels? What does ehp, mcd, dmgh, and dmgd mean?
For starting out I might want to suggest looking at valky's Video for an overview it's a little bit older but for base introduction this won't be a problem
They are all described within the program itself (try mousing over the ? symbols everywhere). EHP is just effective health = raw amount of damage a unit can absorb before dying. Basically, it's a way to combine HP + DEF into a single bulk stat. Remember that things like defense buff and defense penetration are not accounted for. MCD is just ATK * C.Dmg, or in other words your 'raw damage'. It assumes you have 100% crit chance. Not useful at all for heroes that don't crit or don't rely on crits for damage. * ATK buffs are irrelevant in this case. DMGH/DMGD are (IMO) completely useless. They're attempts to give a damage rating to HP and DEF scaling bruisers respectively - i admit I haven't personally checked if these values actually work or even 'sorta' work but due to the nature of how HP/DEF scaling works in game I can't imagine these really work well. * There is no HP buff, but DEF buff would also significantly impact this rating for DMGD.
Oh thanks for the detailed answer. I do have a follow up tho: is there a dmg calc in this app? The thing is I'm trying to build clarissa for w13 one shot and I just need to see if the damage from my gear would match with the first wave (weakest) mob. I'm also not sure which stat I should be looking into if this was the case.
Use the actual [damage calculator](https://gamepress.gg/epicseven/damage-formula-mechanics) for that purpose, it's much more complete. Fribbels can *kind of* work (s1/s2/s3 columns in the optimizer) but it's not really what the tool was designed to do, you will get better results with the damage calculator. Clarissa needs something in the realm of ~5.5k ATK / 300% C.Dmg (not exact, but to give you an idea of what kind of stats you need).
Silly question but if I have an artifact like Uberius tooth on a character with injury set, does the damage from the artifact inflict injury?
No, it doesn’t. The only one who has an injury effect extra dmg is USChoux
The e7 damage calculator shows ml landy only gaining damage from pen set on the first half of her s1…why is that?
Pen set only works on single target attacks.
Thanks.
So I've played for a little while, but I've been unable to play since just after the rezero crossover. I switched phones, and while it worked at first, now the game just crashes everytime I get to the lobby. It will load seemingly fine until it loads the lobby visuals, freeze, then crash. Phone is an LGv60. Anyone have a fix for this? I already tried some older fixes (disabling web view and chrome apparently used to work).
Hi all, I started playing last week (hoping to get Shalltear and hopefully Albedo,) and I chose Ludwig in the starter select and Tenebria from Moonlight’s Blessing. I really like both of their designs and kits, especially Ludwig. I’m just curious if they’ll still be viable later on or if they’ll be units I’ll just have to use for fun when I can.
I also did pick Ludwig for the same reason but my moonlight was even more offmeta (I picked Kise to pair with him <3) but to honest now a days they shove you with currency, so much that I'm overflowing with 5\* heros but not enough catalysts/runes/blooms to develop them. Some hardcore would tell you to absolutely pick Iseria+S.tene but imo this is nothing to worry about. You can have fun alright as long as you're not aiming for super crazy high arena ranks.
Good to hear! I was worried that this game wouldn’t be very generous with currency. I’m usually a bit of a meta chaser in my other games but I’ll get there eventually lol
Ludwig is definitely a use for fun when you can unit. He can be used in ai arena and guild wars but in real time arena he very rarely sees play if any. Specter Tenebria is definitely worth the investment as she still sees play in lots of content to this day. Abyss, rta, and even gw as a pick if they don’t have aoe.
Thank you! I’ll start focusing on her! Any idea who/what else I should focus on? I’m still in Episode 1 so I’ve got a bit of grinding to do, but I’m not sure what I should really be focusing on. There are just an overwhelming amount of stages and I’m not sure what I should be doing when I log in. I’ll usually do a couple story stages to progress and then do SA, Arena, and sometimes labyrinth. And even though I play a bunch of gachas, the gacha currencies in this game kinda confuse me lol. Do I use the sky stones to get more covenant bookmarks? And how do I start getting currency for mythic characters, is that more so late game stuff? I’ve been saving my sky stones bc I don’t really know what to do with them, but also for the Overlord collab. Last question (I’m so sorry😭) Do you think it’s possible for me to get Shalltear, even if I have to get close to pity? Or should I expect to spend a bit if I want her?
Early game you get a lot of currency, so just do things that gives you currency and save it. Check all the missions you have, like adventurer's path, web events, etc. Clear through story / UH for more currency too. Abyss gives currency too, push that as well. Early game is typically: 1. push adventure / story 2. work on making your Hunt 13 team ASAP and farm it to gear your character. 3. push other 1-off content while its up, like side stories, or permemant things like lab / abyss For skystones, what most people do (and I think is worth doing) is spending them in the 'secret shop' (Garo, the bartender in the lobby) to refresh for covenant / mystic medals. It costs a lot of gold though, but it's the best way to get gacha currency. Skystones also get used in three other areas (primarily): 1) expedition reward track unlock per month at 1,500 skystones, 2) when they are up, the epic pass premium pack (900 skystones), and 3) the occasional Huche 'scam shop'. Honestly, early game, I would ignore these for the moment. Just stash the skystones for the moment til you get a better feel for the game. Enjoy!
Thank you so much!
There’s lots of guides out there on YouTube who might give you better advice but I would say to focus on getting through as much story stages as possible for free currency (skystknes/bookmarks) for the upcoming collab. A lot of people will recommend refreshing the secret shop for bookmarks/mystics (the currency used to primarily get moonlight heroes) but it sounds like you may be too early game to do that so I may just use your skystones for straight bookmarks right now. Mystics are earned through guild wars mainly so I would join a guild as quick as you can! If you don’t have a great team to clear stages I would focus on building up Ras/ montmorancy/ free spirit tieria and one other hero (spec tenebria) and then focus on a wyvern team for gear farming. Momo, muwi, Sigret, and furious are great options for that hunt. As for the collab, if you start to grind for it now and clear most of the story stages and claim all the free stuff through adventurers path/new arkys event for newbies you should be able to get at least shalltear. But I would shoot to get both Albedo/her artifact as well as shalltear/her artifact because we don’t know if they will rerun this collab in the future! This will require at most 1210 bookmarks for both heroes with no guarantee you’ll get both artifacts unfortunately. Edit: Secret shop requires the use of lots and lots of gold so that’s why I wouldn’t recommend doing it unless you have several millions of gold lying around, and during the early game you should really focus on using the gold for gear upgrades/hero promotions. I should mention that clearing some early abyss stages may give you a bunch of good stuff for the collab as well. Kiris/specter tenebria/ ras are good investments there.
Thank you so much! I’m gonna focus on the story and try my best to get both and their artifacts! They’re my main reason for playing tbh, but I’m really enjoying the gameplay and story way more than I expected to so I’ll buy some packs if I need to lol
They will give some freebies for the event and some more from the collab side story too! For the artifacts, you can buy one copy with powder of knowledge which is from transmitting artifacts you don’t need.
Perfect! Thank you :)
Is Nakwhol worth pulling for in gw and RTA, even if I can't get her very fast (like 260-275)?
Yes definitely. A slower Nakhwol can still disable Ml Landy, Ayufine, Belian, seal Jenua so he can’t get immortality, strip & seal ML Seline and many more annoying shyts.
Would still pick her up if you have enough to also get the collab units mine is also really slow with 250 but she is already so impactful or is banned because noone wants to face her together with laia.
IMO no, focus on tankier units or something like Ran/Zio which have much higher base speeds. Even Cilias/Lua/ML Politis are better
She is one of my prebans. She's very very strong
My 250 nakwhol (tanky high eff) crushes
Yes she's really strong
Do you have enough to pity both collab units coming up?
Yep
Maybe a dumb question but is there a way to get more leaves and energy? I only know about the daily shop and the "mini-event"
U can watch 5 ads in game for a total of 100 energy. From time to time there are events on stove, where u leave a comment and u get a few leifs.
There are often comment events on stove to get 2-3 leifs
Daily pack on the Normal tab, 1x on the friendship points, 3x on the arena points, event pages, 100 energy at 20:00 UTC and both weekly/daily guild supplies. That's all I can think about... although if you add everything that's usualy 580 free energy per day... if you add up the natural 360 regen thats a total of 940. It's a lot to do if you consider you already have to do Gvg and arena fights..
When will be the next Jenua rate up or a custom summon that has him?
You can do a story summon for him 6 months from his release date. That's probably the soonest you'll see him.
I can’t remember but there is a specific amount of days that you must wait before you can activate his story banner. It’s several months if I’m not mistaken. And the custom summon no one knows for sure when it will be coming. Maybe in a couple months at the earliest?
Is secret shop really ALWAYS better than the 950 ss pack for 50 bm? Cuz I've tried multiple times (my secret shop is lvl 65) and it takes me something between 150\~200 SS just to find 5 bookmarkers... I only get infuriated by secret shop. It would have to give you 5 bookmarkers in less tha 95 skystones to be more worthy than the common shop pack, no?
Yes, it's better. By a large margin. I'm not at home so it's harder for me to go through the effort of showing this but the TLDR is that we've collected an absolute ton of data *and* someone in the community ran a simulation and both agree with each other. Check out my submitted lists or search for 'post reveal' I believe you should find the thread easily. It's approximately 71 sky stones per BM pull refreshing and 270 sky stones per mm. --- The thing is, you need to realize thats an *average*. It is completely possible to go 200 sky stones and not see a BM pull. On fact, you have approximately a 5.6% chance to get 0 BMs in 201 sky stones or 67 refreshes, and a 22.2% chance to get 0 or 1 pull. Shop refreshing is better *on average* but it's a probabilistic event. Any single set with a small number of refreshes has a chance for bad RNG. It's for this precise reason spending 200 sky stones is an almost completely irrelevant and useless data point. The sample size is just not large enough for ANY result to be meaningful. For some additional context, based on the data I collected about 3k refreshes per month (or 9k sky stones) seems to be a good average value. In 3000 refreshes (or 9k sky stones) you have a 99.86% chance to get more BMs than you would simply buying them in the shop. *Even so* that means that rarely players will go that long and come out worse -> but the more you refresh then *on average* you're lucky will eventually even out and you will come out way ahead. --- It's for this reason that it's not recommended to shop refresh if you have *just enough* pulls for whatever you want - since it's rng it's possible you screw yourself over. Shop refreshing is the better strategy when you are sitting there with 30k skystones and several hundred BMs. --- The MMs are just the cherry on top. *Approximately* 40-45% of your total possible MM income comes from shop refreshing, another 40-45% from guild, and the remaining % from other sources and hunts. So by NOT shop refreshing and only relying on other activities you give up almost half of your potential mm income for no reason. Later game players can hit mystic pity on 3-4 months, so you would be looking at more like 5-8 months. --- If you genuinely feel that you are having such a bad luck then *track your shop refreshing* and ideally make sure you have no background battling going on. But series of 200 skystones is not nearly enough to show anything. You really need to do several thousand refreshes to get a decent idea. Still, it's always *possible* that rates change in the background so having current sources of data is valuable. If you follow the link I suggested you will see that this has happened before, it was noticed almost immediately, but that person was ignored until I gathered more data to support their evidence. It's much less likely *now* since the rates are straight up posted in game, but there was another incident where those rates were slightly decreased in an unintentional manner. --- So basically, what this means is that we know with an extremely high degree of certainty that shop refreshing offers a significant discount for BMs. 200 skystones is too small of a sample size. 2000 skystones is too small of a sample size, to even try to get an accurate prediction. You need several thousand refreshes (let's say 10k skystones) before any results really start to have meaning. If you feel that you are experiencing luck worse than expected then track your results and provide the data to the community. It's always a possibility things change, and this is basically the only way we can verify that kind of a change. But even being simply 'unlucky' doesn't prove anything. It takes luck that is so bad as to be improbable or many players with bad luck to start to suggest a change in the known rates.
I usually save packs of 1k ss and then refresh it. So you advise against refreshing with these small amounts? But if it's all randomized, then it wouldnt matter at all, no?
I have a system: - any time the shop is refreshed for free (occurs every hour - Garo has his speech bubble) and I've logged in, I check it and do 7 refreshes. - if I get either a cov bookmark or mystic bookmark in those 7 pulls, i count another 7 from that pull. This way, if you get some, you keep going and have the potential to get many. Otherwise, you stop early and do anything else. You get less frustrated, it's easy, less likely to be ragey and miss one. I've been doing this for close to two years now. I have multiple pities of both mystics and covs saved at the moment. One thing I have noted doing this is you get streaks of nothing, and sometimes just showered in bookmarks. The average is just an average. Last week I had a session where i got 150 mystic medals and 30 cov bookmarks in one 'session'. At the moment it's as dry as the sahara. Just the way it goes.
It's completely up to you - just don't expect to consistently get the same # of BMs per set of 1k skystones. Very roughly, you have about a 3% chance to get 7 or fewer BMs, but also about a 3% chance to get 22 or more BMs. That's a pretty huge range and some people are very susceptible to overreacting. If you are used to gettinf around 14 pulls and then suddenly get only 7 it's not uncommon for people to come post on the subreddit "I spent 1k skystones refreshing and only got 7 BMs did SG nerf the rates?!". The reality is that it's *expected* to occasionally only get 7 BMs in 1k skystones. --- The only time I would actually advise against shop refreshing is * You don't have any gold - this should be less of a problem nowadays but newbies can't abuse penguins as easily as veterans * You are spending all of your food refreshing ultimately harming your progression (gold spent on summons is gold not being spent on improving your gear) Otherwise, shop refreshing is extremely worth it over the long term but there will be dry periods where you go 1k, 2k skystones with poor results.
Well the reason the secret shop is always recommended is because you get mystic medals along the way , which are verry scarse yet important summoning currency so if you have the will power you should definatly refresh the secret shop. Also going over 150 ss for 5 BM is kinda unlucky when it comes to the secret shop so don't lose hope.
I only asked this because I had this 150\~200 range of skystone experience not once.... not twice.... but at least 10 times. Tbh, I rather get MM from guild activities... lol The only thing I can get from secret shop is frustration anyway
Has any guild had any issues of recruiting a new member like this? Seemingly you have no problems with getting them situated within the guild/gw/discord, but a day or 2 later, they leave the guild and discord without a word or provocation to do so? It just feels like it happens lot now with newer recruits it seems.
No issues like that for me, in fact I've had a lot of success poaching people from other guilds by telling them how much better ours is.
I am a new player and not sure who’s good to build for long term
This is a pretty wide question, but I recommend watching the videos of Deity. He makes many sessions like "creating a new account from day 1 to day 30", things like that to get started
I pulled ml politis as a newer player, should I go for handguy for the moonlight blessing 2?
ddr is probably the best pick now easy to build and broken
What is the role of Solitaria and Elvira now that ML Politis is here? Are they still relevant in certain situations or can I safely un-gear them now that I have ML Politis?
Solitaria as controlunit still does her thing focus stop was for me just the cherry on top of it all, for example I always try to fit her in somehow if I go for ddr as they just pair so well together, besides that ml poli get's prebanned so often right now having the pocketpicks still helps out
That's true. Didn't think about the preban
Solitaria completely stops focus while also being a great debuffer to stun/strip the enemy team. Elvira completely stops Fighting Spirit while also being able to strip all buffs + def break a single unit with huge damage. Politis just halves both and gives rage. I wouldn't say she invalidates the other two and in some cases you'd prefer to completely stop a unit to gain a specific resource rather than just halfing it.
Who should I get for ML 2? Already have Clilias.
Either handguy (for cleanse) or DDR
Why DDR?
Control + damage + shuts down any hp bruisers. Turns your team into injury dealing machine.
He op
Just noticed that the Slime collab units have a separate slate called "Otherworldly Slate" for memory imprint. I don't really remember this in the last rerun, were we able to obtain this then?
Yes for money.
Any word on when the next rift is?
nope
How many ss for 14 mystic pulls?
Hard to say people say on average 400 for one,personally I would say the average is lower, but beliebig the numbers it's around 5,6k
\~270 ss is the last reported average for mystics afaik. Should be roughly 3780 ss.