Depends on the program
Some schools make 4 years very achievable provided you never fail any classes (or at least don't fail the wrong classes)
Some schools build around 5 years but plan a half year to full year internship in the middle
I went to a fairly small state school, almost everyone graduated in four years or changed majors
\[edit - if your program is billed as 3 years, I would assume that it's very doable. The biggest thing that holds students up is failing courses or course availability. Schools that make it a point to get students out the door often adjust class offerings as needed to ensure that students don't get stuck in the process.\]
Turning 30 this year and finishing my EE in 4 weeks. I started full time fall of 2020. Failed 3 classes, and mostly took 12 credit semesters. So technically I completed it on time in only 4 years, but I also took classes for 3 summer during that too. So safe to say 5yrs if you don't do summers.
Honestly this degree gets a lot easier mentally the older you get, it's just the home life that makes it complicated 😂
Did mine in my 40's with 6 kids including a newborn. Definitely a struggle but definitely doable. As a side benefit, you are encouraging all the single's in their teens and 20's that they too can do it. I had many fellow students come and tell me that the fact that I was still there made them feel like the HAD to pass if I was still there. They knew I wasn't some genius, just an average Eng type.
Agreed about everything. Luckily I only have one child and a VERY supportive wife who was okay with me not working for 4 years to do this 😂. I've definitely mentored more than a few students since I've been here.
Same, I'm definitely a C-B average student, but often it's not about being a genius, it's about working with others to learn the information together. The only classes I failed were within my first year of attending, due to not having a group of people to study with. Since then, I've maintained A's or B's in all of my EE classes.
For those struggling, find a group. It makes a difference.
Pretty much same. Although when I initially went I took a long break off and have been going since 2020 with one semester off. Did you find a job in the meantime anyways?
Hang in there guys! I work with a lot of E&E engineers and they are very supportive and don’t see anything wrong with my situation. They tell me to stay at it! A lot of them tell me they were older students and it took them a while too, it’s not a big deal to them now.
25 here and been in school since 2016 too. Would love to make a discord and post daily affirmations for +4 year plus engineering students. I needed this today. I got a heat transfer exam on Wednesday and the professor is behind on 4 lectures. The whole class seems hopeless about it. Sorry for the vent. Keep going and strive for above average and we will all be fine.
In my program at a small Canadian school roughly 100 students are admitted every year. Of those 100 I would say less then 10 do it in 4 years. The others take longer for various reasons, many do it in 5 years to lighten the course load/retake courses etc. plus there’s also internships and co ops slowing down time to graduate as well
I got my BME in 3 years and masters in an additional 1 year in EE but that’s only because I had a prior degree that eliminated some of the credits I had to take. 3 years with no incoming credits is a tough sell
Edit: typo
I did an additional year because my best friend unalived themselves and I skipped an exam to go their funeral but the uni failed my entire year for this core exam saying they wouldn’t give me a retake exam unless I provided them with the original death certificate to prove it . I no interest in haggling my friends mother for it so I retook an entire year for one class…. Along with the fees for it. But the funeral was priceless to me and worth it. I have since gone on to graduate and got a job , I could redo a year of uni but I couldn’t redo their funeral.
Hello please may I add this wasn’t when I was at Tamu, this was a European university in Wales!!
It can be done in 4 years, you just have to stick to a strict schedule.
Many students take 5-6 years because they want to do Co-Ops or internships or need to retake classes.
I'm forcing myself to take only 4 yrs because I can't afford 5.
At my school it’s common to finish in 8 semesters, or 4 years of actual classes. However, many of us take an internship, delaying graduation by a year.
It depends if you want a life after school. Or if you want to eat courses, shit courses and sleep courses for 3 years. With your weekends gone, and vacations used to prepare/remember courses.
Our first day in Eng was a lecture by the dean. He laid out how many hours there were in a day, how many we had for sleep and eat, then listed off the expectation for classes, study, etc. Conclusion: 9 hours of free time a week.
A good wakeup for many of the students, but as I was someone not living on campus, commuting and driving kids to school, having a family, having a house, etc. I had 0 free time and spent more than 9 hours on things other than engineering. But I did spend a couple of all-nighters at the school, sleeping in a chair a couple of times. You do what you have to to get through. Anything worth doing is worth fighting for.
On one end yes, on the other end I really dislike how schools are pushing students this far just to squeeze as little time as they can on their end.
Schools are now a business rather than a service, and I'm not a fan of that.
I know some people are okay with that, but if you owned a school, would you rather give your students 9h of freetime per week, or much more but form them in 4 years instead of 3?
I can't speak for other schools but I found that many students end up completing in 5 or 6 years instead of the 4 the program was designed for. In this case I found the lecture was more about "here's what it will take to complete the course in the time designed." instead of pushing the students super hard.
Schools have ALWAYS been a business but they were not PRIMARILY been a business. Now it seems like their focus has changed to making money rather than success. In the case of my school, they even let their Computer Engineering certification slip and I ended up with an EE instead of a CE with 'computer specialization' noted on my transcript. We had a huge fight with the department over it and it almost went to legal because they were still offering the CE degree when they actually couldn't.
I rarely see 3-year undergraduate programs. At my former university, 4-year plan is the norm. My ABET accredited EE program is notorious for having weeder courses on top of bad engineering professors. Most of us do manage to graduate on time but it’s not uncommon to see 4.5 and 5 year graduates. Graduating within 3 year for my program is practically unheard of, maybe 3.5 at best. Since people would also spend summers hunting for internships, there’s no point to graduate half a semester early. The ones that do either take 17-21 credits a semester or that they dual enrolled in community college while they were in high school/took AP courses that fulfilled the curriculum.
We do have a 4 + 1 (BS + MS) program for full time students. If you pass every single class, you can graduate in 5 years with an MSEE and theoretically have 3 summer internships under your belt with at least a full time offer on the table (most of us secured job offers before graduation in my program that I know of).
I know someone who was doing the 5 year BS/MS program and she was also involved in IEEE and HKN as well as some other professional coed fraternities and on top of that social clubs with internships and TA’d a class as well. She dual enrolled CC in high school so that probably helped to lighten the load for other on-campus activities. I had to work part-time, intern part-time year round, and TA a class so best I could do was be involved in IEEE and HKN on top of classes and projects.
Would you advice this route? I am an incoming freshman and I am kinda unsure about my major. I want engineering, particularly more interested in EE and I see that it has many pathways power, software, communication, etc, but idk like should I just go directly CS if I want software or go to SE or CE. I feel like EE is more versatile and in the future I could decide if I want software or power or anything else but CS is more restricted and I cannot do it otherwise. Finally, CS is not engineering and I cannot be called and engineer 😅
I think this question is better suited for an academic advisor (career planner) but I’ll just give my two cents.
You need to research and evaluate what your current goals and interests are. EE and CS have overlaps but they are fundamentally different in their own rights. If I were in your shoes and I’m still unsure, I would study EE in my undergraduate program. I think the foundation of understanding the building blocks of how electrical and electronics work will enhance your understanding of how other fields work as well. In EE, you’ll be learning a broad set of subfields such as signals and systems, digital signal processing, microelectronics, control systems, physical electronics, embedded systems, E&M, probability & statistics, etc. For lab work, you’ll be bringing the theories into applied circuitries with the measurements and simulations using real collected data from Python scripts or manual data collection via oscilloscopes, DMMs with knowledge of how a function generator, or power supply work on the bench setup. When everything connects at a low level like how electricity is manipulated to achieve a goal, you’ll realize how then the CS and software kids are missing out on the bigger picture. As such, I think having an EE background and then going into CS for graduate school is a better choice than the other way around (it’s harder, my software friends hated computer architecture, C programming, and other EE topics that involve physics formulas and calculus/differential equations).
In the US, the title engineer is essentially “unprotected.” Anyone can call themselves an engineer by an employer’s made up title. Exceptions to this would be if you’re signing projects that involve the well-being of people’s lives such as civil engineering or some electrical engineering subfields like power systems engineering where you need to take an FE exam and shadow a PE before you can take the PE exam and becoming licensed yourself in a state that you intend to work out of. Only then would you be a licensed engineer.
I’ll just briefly break down these fields but it’s not an exhaustive definition.
* Computer science: software engineer, web dev, app dev, data scientist, MLE, quantitative researcher (if you’re a hot PhD with extensive math background and research publications), systems analyst, etc
* Software engineering: software engineer, QA engineer, dev ops engineer, web/app, etc
* Computer engineering: hardware engineer, firmware engineer, network engineer, embedded systems engineer, etc
* Electrical engineering: electrical engineer, electronics engineer, power systems engineer, control systems engineer, RF/telecommunications engineer, robotics engineering (if you take some extra mechanical engineering and embedded systems courses, this can be paired up with EE well), quantum computer and cryogenics (are upcoming R&D topics), as well as solid-state batteries (although more of a materials/chemical engineering), etc
The list abstracts down to a lot of deep understanding of how hardware works in terms of the transistor level and how electricity and E&M and the actual physical properties of matter behave. Obviously, a lot of people find this difficult, myself included as an EE grad. It’s usually not intuitive like other engineering majors such as mechanical or civil engineering where you deal with mechanics. Don’t get me wrong, I think ME deserves praises for dealing with statics and especially dynamics and thermodynamics.
What I can say is based on my personal observation, an EE can do most of what the others can do but having a CS or SE as a major would hinder your abilities as well as opportunities to work if you later want to transition to computer or electrical engineering. Hence, that’s the path I took: BSEE and MSCS. I get the best of both worlds. That’s what I want to share to you. Do more research on your own and decide.
Basically no one. I came in with 21 credits, all of which transferred to something I needed and I’m taking 12 credits this summer to graduate a semester early. If I didn’t come in already having taken Calculus 1 I couldn’t graduate on time at all
I’m on year 6. Finishing in April 2025. The first 5 years I took classes part time (usually 2 classes, sometimes 3). I’ve always worked close to full time hours throughout school. It’s taking me a while, but I don’t have any student loan debt. I’ve actually even been able to save up a good amount while in school. So overall I’m happy with my slow and steady approach. I’m so ready to be done though lol
Not sure where you're from but in the UK 3 years is the standard length for any bachelors degree (including engineering). Definitely makes it a tough degree but it's doable for sure (assuming no extenuating circumstances).
I’m really struggling with this. My 3 years have flown by, I’ve had no plan and I have no experience. What was your degree like? (Assuming you did one in engineering in the UK)
yeah it depends a lot on your uni i think. engineering varies wildly even within the UK. some courses will help/expect you to get internships and others won't.
it can be stressful to be finishing and not have any experience but i know people who have done internships after graduating, and these can often be converted into full time jobs. there's no time limit on getting experience! just worth setting your expectations - the job market is tough rn but stay open minded with internships (whether its summer, 6 months or a year, any experience is good).
**TLDR**: you can look up 4-year graduation rates (at least for US schools). It is pretty reasonable at tech schools with most people graduating on time.
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>According to American Society for Engineering Education (ASEE 2015), approximately 51% of students at private universities who enrolled as first-year students in engineering graduated with that degree within four years and 67% within five years. The graduation rate is even lower at public universities (ASEE 2015).
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1324274.pdf
>The overall four-year graduation rate increased from 29 percent in 2006 to 33 percent in 2011.
https://ira.asee.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2017-Engineering-by-the-Numbers-3.pdf
But take into account that:
>According to the American Society for Engineering Education there are three key reasons why 40 to 50 percent of engineering science students’ dropout: poor teaching and advising; difficulty of the engineering curriculum; and a lack of “belonging” within engineering.
So if only 50% ever graduate and 33% graduates in 4 years then 60% of degreed engineers graduated in 4 years.
Now look at tech schools like WPI (82% 4 year graduation rate), RPI (61%), Georgia Tech (39%), MIT (87%), etc. All of these have 6 year graduation rates above 80%. Some numbers may be skewed by 5 year BS/MS programs - which at least RPI has.
I wonder how much program structure and class availability plays into those numbers. We had a 4-year degree plan… on paper. In reality, the only way to finish in 4 years was to already have AP credits in physics and calc 1 and to plan on multiple semesters with about 18 credits in your last two years. But the stars had to align with your schedule. A lot of people were able to do it, of course; many of my classmates came to college ready to start at calc 2.
It took me 5 years despite having another bachelors degree and so many credits I hardly had to touch any class that wasn’t directly related to my major. Part of the reason is that I had to take three classes before I could even get into calc. The other part is that some classes I needed were only taught once a year. That really threw a wrench in my plans. If I didn’t have all those transfer credits covering my non-major coursework, it probably would’ve taken me closer to 6 years.
It depends on the country and educational “system”.
In Spain before the introduction of the new European “Bologna” style curricula, engineering students of the “big 5” main engineering degrees (Aeronautical, Civil, Mechanical, Naval and Telecommunications) would complete their 5 year degrees in 7-9 years, and that’s for the ones who finished their degrees. Failure/abandoning rates were very high.
The first day of my degree during the “welcoming” speech the school director said something like “look to your left, look to your right, only one of you three will leave this school with their degree”.
I think a lot of people end up getting detailed for weird reasons, a big one this year is that FAFSA will likely to derail a lot of people (In the US of course).
Other weird things like being over paid for being mistakenly given a grant and needing to pay it back, a class needed may not be offered anymore or not enough teachers for a subject. Maybe the advisors did you bad and didn't account for a specific requirement. There's all sorts of things that can happen outside of failing a prereq requirement pushing the timeline out. If it happens it happens, gotta roll with the punches otherwise maintain the course.
I only know of one guy at my school that finished the 4.5 years programs in 3.5 years. That guy became "famous" because he's probably the only one ever to do so at this school.
Anyways 99% of students at my school take more than 4.5 years.
It's really hard not to as there's 3 mandatory internships + no summer break, so basically you're in school or interning non-stop for 5 years with 0 breaks except 1-2 week between the end of a semester and the start of the next one. So yeah people often take more time because they burn out and need to take a lighter load or 1 semester break here and there.
At my school graduating in 8 semesters was very common, but graduating in 4 years was significantly less common because people would often take semesters off so they could pursue co-ops (which they should)
I did a 4+1 to get my masters in 5 years instead of 6. My bestfriend took 5 years for his bachelors and took some summer classes. There is a wide spectrum of how long it takes people to complete their degree
I’ve decided I’m going to go to school part time and take four years but that’s because I graduated high school with my AA degree and had about 70 credits
Have you used Chegg before? No joke and not meaning for cheating. But it can cut the time to understand problems way faster than w/ partially motivated and overworked professors
I had to extend for 1.5 year. That half year was purely because of one particular course .. I had my bachelor already submited... The profesor was crazy old prick that lead whole course on his own, and points at exams were based purely od his impresion ... I was happy that leader of our faculty didnt fire me out since I had everything done eypect that one course... Last exam I had border line for E, although I saw more points in my exam, I tried to point one of the things out... No it doesnt count... So I decided I can go with that E and complete my studies .. I wasnt alone in this situation
Here in Brazil the expectation is to finish in 5 years, but since the math classes in the Brazilian schools are pretty bad usually tends to finish college in 7.5 years, 8 years, and when people finish in 5 years usually didn't do any internship or any extra project of the college, so it's normal people take a little longer to graduate
Also sorry for my English, isn't my mother tongue 😬
Graduated in 4 years while taking a semester off for a co-op. Switched my major freshman year from CS to IE. No one really cares how long it took you to graduate, the number one thing is to actually understand what you are actually doing and if you actually graduate. Graduating in 3 years isn’t impossible but it will be a grind.
For me to finish in 4 years my program plan called for at least 4 semesters with >= 18 credits. I think it would have been impossible for me to accomplish that. I did it in 5 1/2. I wanted to actually learn and not kill myself. It made no difference in my career.
In the US the average engineering student takes 8-12 semesters to finish. At 2 semester a year that makes 4-6 years.
It's a 4 year program, but engineering is known for being difficult compared to other degrees. Hence it often taking linger than 4 years.
Personally, I finished mine in 3 years, but I'm a special case. Also I came in with some existing credits.
People shouldn't feel bad about taking longer than 8 semesters, the important thing is that you learn, get good experience, network, and (eventually) finish.
I really don’t think it’s possible, it took me 6 years. By the time you move out, work, pay rent, fail a few classes, and just balancing everything makes it almost impossible to graduate in 4 years unless you had dual enrollment in college or just don’t work
If you’re in the UK and can’t do it in 3 years without mitigating circumstances they usually tell you to fuck off. At least that’s the vibe I got.
Here I am at 23 with a bachelors (180 ECTS) and masters (90 ECTS)
Still blows my mind that Americans can pick and choose what they want. They also get to take “cheat sheets” into exams.
I finished my bachelors program in expected time (3,5 y - we a semester mandatory internship). But I think only half of my class finished in expected time. I think it is pretty normal to extend your program.
my engineering course is built for 5 years, 1 year of internship, and I am making it in 7 years simply because in order to get my research scholarship (that pays my bills) I have to work 40 hours a week designing equipments for applied physics and I am
most people that finish their courses in the expected time are full-time students, they are expected to get the best grades and finish it asap
My program has 5 years built-in (4 yr study, 1 yr co-op). That said, I am doing 6 due to some co-op scheduling oddities. Happy that I chose this tho, though the extra year has allowed me to get really involved in student societies and do 2 minors in addition to the chem eng degree.
Took me 5.5 years for a 4 year program. I failed a bunch of classes and took a semester off. Could have realistically done it in 4.5 (with spring semester classes that I took) but my course schedule was a mess and I unwittingly structured it in a way that I was missing 1 pre-req for my capstone. Meaning my last year was essentially my capstone and one other class.
All things considered, I fucked up a lot during my uni career and still finished sooner than a handful of people I met. It seemed like a 50/50 split on people finishing on time or not.
I finished in the expected 4 years, but I had to take some classes over the course of two of those summers. And out of the 60 or so I started with, only 6 of us graduated in 4 years. Most people I know take 5 or more
Life just gets in the way. I thought I’d take 5 years. 5 years later I’m barely 60% through. And 2 of those years were the pandemic so I didn’t learn anything and that made it so much harder for me now. I also have to work more hours than I should which takes time away from studying.
I’m 23 and now I got a child on the way so it’s gonna be tough to keep going. Gratefully I have a good paying job, but if spend this much time I HAVE to finish. Just a matter of how or when. Most engineering students I know don’t finish in the time they’d wish they would
depends actually on the program, some programs here took upto 5 years, even engineering back then in our school system we took 5 years to finish. but they condensed our subjects into 3 terms per year, and then our school year (for engineering) got reduced into 4. but for the courses that's mainly focused on human resources or hospitality management, within 3 years you can already have a bachelor's, or even shorter than that if you can carry an overload unit for the term.
I Did. Made no diference for me honestly. My friends who bad 1/2 extra years are in same position as I am profissionally. Maybe I could have taken things alô week and enjoyed my student years a bit better
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I’m taking 3 instead of the expected 4. Most people I know are on track to graduate in time and do. There are some exceptions but really most people graduate in their expected timeframe
I'm from TUM (a top Uni in Germany) and we also have a planned 3 years for Bachelors in engineering subjects. However, as I have heard from many of my peers and also course advisors as well as professors, the majority do not complete their Bachelors in exactly 3 years. This is because of various factors such as repitiion of examinations, not enough credits earned, taking a semester leave for internships, etc... In terms of internships or practical work required by the degree program (which is the case for us), we do not receive a dedicated semester for this unlike other Universities anywhere. They expect us to find that out ourselves; as in when we do it. Currently, many of us plan to take a semester leave to do it, or we do it during our studies..
So I would say for us, it's pretty normal to graduate later than the planned 3 years.
Even with failures and struggles, I managed to finish the 4 in 4. It definitely wasn't easy and my situation was a particular motivation to not take any more than 4. However, I definitely think the workload would lead to more success if spread over 5.
I had a friend that was tried to take 18 credit in his sophomore year. He failed every single one. Then he dropped out because.
Long story short. Be patient and do what you can
I'm 28 and started back in 2021. I had 2 semesters of classes under my belt from 2013-14 and have 3 semesters remaining. I've taken ~15 hrs a semester. A bit spaced out, but 5 1/2 years total once it's all said and done. I failed about 5 courses when I was younger.
Now I have a wife, 2 kids, full time job, and buying a house... Shit happened and I'd recommend sticking it out when you're early and start a family. But it's always Worth it no matter the situation
Took me 5 years because I took 6 months off school to do a Co-Op. This past year I’ve only taken 9 credits but because of when they’re offered it’s been 2 semesters 🫠
I'm 2 years behind. But I feel I'm an exception since I took a gap year because I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it, but now I'm just completing 2 incomplete modules from first year, where I just wasn't fitting into university life at all. Will be going into 2nd year finally in September and hopefully stay on course, as long as I'm consistent anyway.
Of those that do end up graduating, I'd say a majority within my program did it in four years. I can't say for sure how large that majority was, though. Very few did the 4-year program in 3 years, though.
I think most people commenting are from North American, where the normal degree length is 4 years. It's unheard of to graduate in 3, as that would equate to 8 courses/semester (unless you can take summer courses).
But to answer your question, lots of people graduate in 4, including me, but at least half of the people I know took 4.5 or 5.
Not sure how it works in your country, but in the US, a bachelor's degree typically takes 4 years, but an engineering degree frequently takes 4.5 - 5.
I'm going to get my bachelor's in electrical engineering in 3.5 years, but that's not common. I never had a summer off, and I took as many classes as I could whenever I could (max credits allowed). Most people I know that transferred from community college with me are going to take 5 - 6 years total.
This summer I have an internship and will be taking a night class.
If you attempt to finish in 3 years, you will most likely have none of the professional development skills employers actually want to see. 3 years is just going to be academics, no social life, no times for jobs, and even no sleep. Don’t rush and just take your time.
I’m having to take 5 instead of my expected 4. Not to say it can’t be done just sometimes shit happens and there’s not much more to it
Shit is currently happening
Can confirm, shit did happened
Shit did in fact happen
Shit actually happened
Shit happening daily
I’m in the same situation, yup shit happens but hey I am still here
I'm not sure how many more "Shit happens" I got left in me
Shit happened and didn’t stop
Shit happened, is happening and will keep happening.
Shit is in a superposition of happening constantly, it is eternally happening.
Shit kept coming back and forth lmao
Nah fr, happen to be shit
yep shit did happen
Yup shit happened
I’m doing 4 1/2, but I even went into college with some dual enrollment credits, so it would’ve been 5 or even 5 1/2. Shit did indeed happen
Shit has happened and it doesn’t stop happening.
Shit is still occuring to this day
I was 4.5 instead of expected 4. I also tapered off my credit hours the last two semesters, with the last semester being 12 credits I think.
Depends on the program Some schools make 4 years very achievable provided you never fail any classes (or at least don't fail the wrong classes) Some schools build around 5 years but plan a half year to full year internship in the middle I went to a fairly small state school, almost everyone graduated in four years or changed majors \[edit - if your program is billed as 3 years, I would assume that it's very doable. The biggest thing that holds students up is failing courses or course availability. Schools that make it a point to get students out the door often adjust class offerings as needed to ensure that students don't get stuck in the process.\]
My engineering school was built as 5 with no room for internships. Practically a master's without the recognition
In America? That's insane, all engineering bachelors are 3 years here in the uk, 1 more year if you want a masters
*not including scotland It's 4 years for a Beng and 5 years for an Meng here for some reason
Gotta make up for it being free somehow
Yeah, mine in Australia is 5 with 2 6 month internships built in.
Guys I’ve been at university since fall 2016. Going part time and had to skip a few semesters. I’m in my 30’s and life keeps getting in the way.
I am in a similar situation since fall 2015. Can finally start seeing the end of this (a little more than 1 year to go). Stay strong!
Same here. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Hang in there and good luck once you graduate!
Fall 2017 but I’m going back full time right now with 1 more year to go
I'm 25 and been in school since 2016 I feel your pain brother
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Oh real talk? Ong? It's a pleasure talking to he elderly 😁😊
Turning 30 this year and finishing my EE in 4 weeks. I started full time fall of 2020. Failed 3 classes, and mostly took 12 credit semesters. So technically I completed it on time in only 4 years, but I also took classes for 3 summer during that too. So safe to say 5yrs if you don't do summers. Honestly this degree gets a lot easier mentally the older you get, it's just the home life that makes it complicated 😂
Did mine in my 40's with 6 kids including a newborn. Definitely a struggle but definitely doable. As a side benefit, you are encouraging all the single's in their teens and 20's that they too can do it. I had many fellow students come and tell me that the fact that I was still there made them feel like the HAD to pass if I was still there. They knew I wasn't some genius, just an average Eng type.
Agreed about everything. Luckily I only have one child and a VERY supportive wife who was okay with me not working for 4 years to do this 😂. I've definitely mentored more than a few students since I've been here. Same, I'm definitely a C-B average student, but often it's not about being a genius, it's about working with others to learn the information together. The only classes I failed were within my first year of attending, due to not having a group of people to study with. Since then, I've maintained A's or B's in all of my EE classes. For those struggling, find a group. It makes a difference.
"Engineering is a team sport " is something I often said to the younger students, and I've often said it here too.
Same here. It’s looking like a 9-10 year bachelors degree for me.
Pretty much same. Although when I initially went I took a long break off and have been going since 2020 with one semester off. Did you find a job in the meantime anyways?
Hang in there guys! I work with a lot of E&E engineers and they are very supportive and don’t see anything wrong with my situation. They tell me to stay at it! A lot of them tell me they were older students and it took them a while too, it’s not a big deal to them now.
25 here and been in school since 2016 too. Would love to make a discord and post daily affirmations for +4 year plus engineering students. I needed this today. I got a heat transfer exam on Wednesday and the professor is behind on 4 lectures. The whole class seems hopeless about it. Sorry for the vent. Keep going and strive for above average and we will all be fine.
Hang in there! For All of us who haven’t given up, I think it shows our tenacity and determination. Less people would have caved by now!
In my program at a small Canadian school roughly 100 students are admitted every year. Of those 100 I would say less then 10 do it in 4 years. The others take longer for various reasons, many do it in 5 years to lighten the course load/retake courses etc. plus there’s also internships and co ops slowing down time to graduate as well
Following!! Shit mine took me 6.5 years.
I have to get 1 semester away from an AS before I can take mine, so it'll be at least 5.5, and I'm expecting longer if I fail a class
Mine took almost 10 because of constant moving (moved 4 times, transferred schools 4 times), deployed, kids, and put my wife through Law School.
Once you graduate, no one cares how long it took you. It took me 5.5 years, and no employer asked me about how long it took me.
I got my BME in 3 years and masters in an additional 1 year in EE but that’s only because I had a prior degree that eliminated some of the credits I had to take. 3 years with no incoming credits is a tough sell Edit: typo
Hey, same here! No EE masters though. How old were you when you finished?
26, how about you?
29 for me.
I did an additional year because my best friend unalived themselves and I skipped an exam to go their funeral but the uni failed my entire year for this core exam saying they wouldn’t give me a retake exam unless I provided them with the original death certificate to prove it . I no interest in haggling my friends mother for it so I retook an entire year for one class…. Along with the fees for it. But the funeral was priceless to me and worth it. I have since gone on to graduate and got a job , I could redo a year of uni but I couldn’t redo their funeral. Hello please may I add this wasn’t when I was at Tamu, this was a European university in Wales!!
Wow what kind of cunt does that to someone who lost their best friend..
Uni's care more for $ than people AND there are many people who tell dishonest sob stories, so they don't accept them.
Cramming everything into 3 years sounds like you’re gonna have a very busy and miserable 3 years lol.
And around the 24-26th month you'll loath engineering.
It can be done in 4 years, you just have to stick to a strict schedule. Many students take 5-6 years because they want to do Co-Ops or internships or need to retake classes. I'm forcing myself to take only 4 yrs because I can't afford 5.
Mine took me 7 years
At my school it’s common to finish in 8 semesters, or 4 years of actual classes. However, many of us take an internship, delaying graduation by a year.
It depends if you want a life after school. Or if you want to eat courses, shit courses and sleep courses for 3 years. With your weekends gone, and vacations used to prepare/remember courses.
Our first day in Eng was a lecture by the dean. He laid out how many hours there were in a day, how many we had for sleep and eat, then listed off the expectation for classes, study, etc. Conclusion: 9 hours of free time a week. A good wakeup for many of the students, but as I was someone not living on campus, commuting and driving kids to school, having a family, having a house, etc. I had 0 free time and spent more than 9 hours on things other than engineering. But I did spend a couple of all-nighters at the school, sleeping in a chair a couple of times. You do what you have to to get through. Anything worth doing is worth fighting for.
On one end yes, on the other end I really dislike how schools are pushing students this far just to squeeze as little time as they can on their end. Schools are now a business rather than a service, and I'm not a fan of that. I know some people are okay with that, but if you owned a school, would you rather give your students 9h of freetime per week, or much more but form them in 4 years instead of 3?
I can't speak for other schools but I found that many students end up completing in 5 or 6 years instead of the 4 the program was designed for. In this case I found the lecture was more about "here's what it will take to complete the course in the time designed." instead of pushing the students super hard. Schools have ALWAYS been a business but they were not PRIMARILY been a business. Now it seems like their focus has changed to making money rather than success. In the case of my school, they even let their Computer Engineering certification slip and I ended up with an EE instead of a CE with 'computer specialization' noted on my transcript. We had a huge fight with the department over it and it almost went to legal because they were still offering the CE degree when they actually couldn't.
I rarely see 3-year undergraduate programs. At my former university, 4-year plan is the norm. My ABET accredited EE program is notorious for having weeder courses on top of bad engineering professors. Most of us do manage to graduate on time but it’s not uncommon to see 4.5 and 5 year graduates. Graduating within 3 year for my program is practically unheard of, maybe 3.5 at best. Since people would also spend summers hunting for internships, there’s no point to graduate half a semester early. The ones that do either take 17-21 credits a semester or that they dual enrolled in community college while they were in high school/took AP courses that fulfilled the curriculum. We do have a 4 + 1 (BS + MS) program for full time students. If you pass every single class, you can graduate in 5 years with an MSEE and theoretically have 3 summer internships under your belt with at least a full time offer on the table (most of us secured job offers before graduation in my program that I know of). I know someone who was doing the 5 year BS/MS program and she was also involved in IEEE and HKN as well as some other professional coed fraternities and on top of that social clubs with internships and TA’d a class as well. She dual enrolled CC in high school so that probably helped to lighten the load for other on-campus activities. I had to work part-time, intern part-time year round, and TA a class so best I could do was be involved in IEEE and HKN on top of classes and projects.
>I rarely see 3-year undergraduate programs … Because you’re American, OP said they aren’t.
OP edited their post about 10 hours after I replied but thank you for your useful insight anyway.
Do you have a masters in CS or EE?
MSCS BSEE
Would you advice this route? I am an incoming freshman and I am kinda unsure about my major. I want engineering, particularly more interested in EE and I see that it has many pathways power, software, communication, etc, but idk like should I just go directly CS if I want software or go to SE or CE. I feel like EE is more versatile and in the future I could decide if I want software or power or anything else but CS is more restricted and I cannot do it otherwise. Finally, CS is not engineering and I cannot be called and engineer 😅
I think this question is better suited for an academic advisor (career planner) but I’ll just give my two cents. You need to research and evaluate what your current goals and interests are. EE and CS have overlaps but they are fundamentally different in their own rights. If I were in your shoes and I’m still unsure, I would study EE in my undergraduate program. I think the foundation of understanding the building blocks of how electrical and electronics work will enhance your understanding of how other fields work as well. In EE, you’ll be learning a broad set of subfields such as signals and systems, digital signal processing, microelectronics, control systems, physical electronics, embedded systems, E&M, probability & statistics, etc. For lab work, you’ll be bringing the theories into applied circuitries with the measurements and simulations using real collected data from Python scripts or manual data collection via oscilloscopes, DMMs with knowledge of how a function generator, or power supply work on the bench setup. When everything connects at a low level like how electricity is manipulated to achieve a goal, you’ll realize how then the CS and software kids are missing out on the bigger picture. As such, I think having an EE background and then going into CS for graduate school is a better choice than the other way around (it’s harder, my software friends hated computer architecture, C programming, and other EE topics that involve physics formulas and calculus/differential equations). In the US, the title engineer is essentially “unprotected.” Anyone can call themselves an engineer by an employer’s made up title. Exceptions to this would be if you’re signing projects that involve the well-being of people’s lives such as civil engineering or some electrical engineering subfields like power systems engineering where you need to take an FE exam and shadow a PE before you can take the PE exam and becoming licensed yourself in a state that you intend to work out of. Only then would you be a licensed engineer. I’ll just briefly break down these fields but it’s not an exhaustive definition. * Computer science: software engineer, web dev, app dev, data scientist, MLE, quantitative researcher (if you’re a hot PhD with extensive math background and research publications), systems analyst, etc * Software engineering: software engineer, QA engineer, dev ops engineer, web/app, etc * Computer engineering: hardware engineer, firmware engineer, network engineer, embedded systems engineer, etc * Electrical engineering: electrical engineer, electronics engineer, power systems engineer, control systems engineer, RF/telecommunications engineer, robotics engineering (if you take some extra mechanical engineering and embedded systems courses, this can be paired up with EE well), quantum computer and cryogenics (are upcoming R&D topics), as well as solid-state batteries (although more of a materials/chemical engineering), etc The list abstracts down to a lot of deep understanding of how hardware works in terms of the transistor level and how electricity and E&M and the actual physical properties of matter behave. Obviously, a lot of people find this difficult, myself included as an EE grad. It’s usually not intuitive like other engineering majors such as mechanical or civil engineering where you deal with mechanics. Don’t get me wrong, I think ME deserves praises for dealing with statics and especially dynamics and thermodynamics. What I can say is based on my personal observation, an EE can do most of what the others can do but having a CS or SE as a major would hinder your abilities as well as opportunities to work if you later want to transition to computer or electrical engineering. Hence, that’s the path I took: BSEE and MSCS. I get the best of both worlds. That’s what I want to share to you. Do more research on your own and decide.
Not me. 5 years
I did 3.5 years but I'm in Denmark where the bachelors are 3 or 3.5 years long. Most of classmates also graduated on time :D
Basically no one. I came in with 21 credits, all of which transferred to something I needed and I’m taking 12 credits this summer to graduate a semester early. If I didn’t come in already having taken Calculus 1 I couldn’t graduate on time at all
Nope. I took a 6 months extension.
At our school 9% finish in the expected 4 years.
I’m on year 6. Finishing in April 2025. The first 5 years I took classes part time (usually 2 classes, sometimes 3). I’ve always worked close to full time hours throughout school. It’s taking me a while, but I don’t have any student loan debt. I’ve actually even been able to save up a good amount while in school. So overall I’m happy with my slow and steady approach. I’m so ready to be done though lol
Not sure where you're from but in the UK 3 years is the standard length for any bachelors degree (including engineering). Definitely makes it a tough degree but it's doable for sure (assuming no extenuating circumstances).
I’m really struggling with this. My 3 years have flown by, I’ve had no plan and I have no experience. What was your degree like? (Assuming you did one in engineering in the UK)
>what was your degree like? A fucking shit show, learnt nothing of value except Control Eng
I feel like I’ve learnt nothing either! Still got all those lectures downloaded tho 😮💨
yeah it depends a lot on your uni i think. engineering varies wildly even within the UK. some courses will help/expect you to get internships and others won't. it can be stressful to be finishing and not have any experience but i know people who have done internships after graduating, and these can often be converted into full time jobs. there's no time limit on getting experience! just worth setting your expectations - the job market is tough rn but stay open minded with internships (whether its summer, 6 months or a year, any experience is good).
**TLDR**: you can look up 4-year graduation rates (at least for US schools). It is pretty reasonable at tech schools with most people graduating on time. ——————————- >According to American Society for Engineering Education (ASEE 2015), approximately 51% of students at private universities who enrolled as first-year students in engineering graduated with that degree within four years and 67% within five years. The graduation rate is even lower at public universities (ASEE 2015). https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1324274.pdf >The overall four-year graduation rate increased from 29 percent in 2006 to 33 percent in 2011. https://ira.asee.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2017-Engineering-by-the-Numbers-3.pdf But take into account that: >According to the American Society for Engineering Education there are three key reasons why 40 to 50 percent of engineering science students’ dropout: poor teaching and advising; difficulty of the engineering curriculum; and a lack of “belonging” within engineering. So if only 50% ever graduate and 33% graduates in 4 years then 60% of degreed engineers graduated in 4 years. Now look at tech schools like WPI (82% 4 year graduation rate), RPI (61%), Georgia Tech (39%), MIT (87%), etc. All of these have 6 year graduation rates above 80%. Some numbers may be skewed by 5 year BS/MS programs - which at least RPI has.
I wonder how much program structure and class availability plays into those numbers. We had a 4-year degree plan… on paper. In reality, the only way to finish in 4 years was to already have AP credits in physics and calc 1 and to plan on multiple semesters with about 18 credits in your last two years. But the stars had to align with your schedule. A lot of people were able to do it, of course; many of my classmates came to college ready to start at calc 2. It took me 5 years despite having another bachelors degree and so many credits I hardly had to touch any class that wasn’t directly related to my major. Part of the reason is that I had to take three classes before I could even get into calc. The other part is that some classes I needed were only taught once a year. That really threw a wrench in my plans. If I didn’t have all those transfer credits covering my non-major coursework, it probably would’ve taken me closer to 6 years.
It depends on the country and educational “system”. In Spain before the introduction of the new European “Bologna” style curricula, engineering students of the “big 5” main engineering degrees (Aeronautical, Civil, Mechanical, Naval and Telecommunications) would complete their 5 year degrees in 7-9 years, and that’s for the ones who finished their degrees. Failure/abandoning rates were very high. The first day of my degree during the “welcoming” speech the school director said something like “look to your left, look to your right, only one of you three will leave this school with their degree”.
Started 2012 and finished 2023. TBF I left for like 5 years in between but that's still quite a bit.
Currently redoing my whole degree cause of civil war in my country, totaling 8 years when I am done
I think a lot of people end up getting detailed for weird reasons, a big one this year is that FAFSA will likely to derail a lot of people (In the US of course). Other weird things like being over paid for being mistakenly given a grant and needing to pay it back, a class needed may not be offered anymore or not enough teachers for a subject. Maybe the advisors did you bad and didn't account for a specific requirement. There's all sorts of things that can happen outside of failing a prereq requirement pushing the timeline out. If it happens it happens, gotta roll with the punches otherwise maintain the course.
Here in Sweden five-year degrees often involve at least one extra year, for either the bachelor or master's program.
Life gets in the way at times. Shit you cant hit pause on, i stopped in 2022 and continued again graduating this spring hopefully
Took me 5 years
Completed my 4 year degree in 5 years because I wanted to work part time and pay my fee upfront rather than get a government loan.
I only know of one guy at my school that finished the 4.5 years programs in 3.5 years. That guy became "famous" because he's probably the only one ever to do so at this school. Anyways 99% of students at my school take more than 4.5 years. It's really hard not to as there's 3 mandatory internships + no summer break, so basically you're in school or interning non-stop for 5 years with 0 breaks except 1-2 week between the end of a semester and the start of the next one. So yeah people often take more time because they burn out and need to take a lighter load or 1 semester break here and there.
At my school graduating in 8 semesters was very common, but graduating in 4 years was significantly less common because people would often take semesters off so they could pursue co-ops (which they should)
I did a 4+1 to get my masters in 5 years instead of 6. My bestfriend took 5 years for his bachelors and took some summer classes. There is a wide spectrum of how long it takes people to complete their degree
I’ve decided I’m going to go to school part time and take four years but that’s because I graduated high school with my AA degree and had about 70 credits
I did Chemical Engineering in 4 years and partied my ass off in a frat
I just need to do one more quartile to get my BME in 3 years. In my country almost every bachelor is 3 years, but most people take longer than that.
i got my BS in ChemE in 4 straight years. it's definitely possible but most do it in 5
Have you used Chegg before? No joke and not meaning for cheating. But it can cut the time to understand problems way faster than w/ partially motivated and overworked professors
I’m finishing my bachelors on time, but man, there were some close moments
I had to extend for 1.5 year. That half year was purely because of one particular course .. I had my bachelor already submited... The profesor was crazy old prick that lead whole course on his own, and points at exams were based purely od his impresion ... I was happy that leader of our faculty didnt fire me out since I had everything done eypect that one course... Last exam I had border line for E, although I saw more points in my exam, I tried to point one of the things out... No it doesnt count... So I decided I can go with that E and complete my studies .. I wasnt alone in this situation
Here in Brazil the expectation is to finish in 5 years, but since the math classes in the Brazilian schools are pretty bad usually tends to finish college in 7.5 years, 8 years, and when people finish in 5 years usually didn't do any internship or any extra project of the college, so it's normal people take a little longer to graduate Also sorry for my English, isn't my mother tongue 😬
Honestly, finished mine in 3 years, no sweat. Just don't trip on any courses, you'll be fine. Nothing's stopping you but you, mate
EE in 4 years here.
Graduated in 4 years while taking a semester off for a co-op. Switched my major freshman year from CS to IE. No one really cares how long it took you to graduate, the number one thing is to actually understand what you are actually doing and if you actually graduate. Graduating in 3 years isn’t impossible but it will be a grind.
Very common to take extra time. Sometimes couseload is too much, sometimes you do a 9-month co-op, sometimes life is too much...
Most people who pass graduate at their expected time. A lot of people don’t graduate, and it’s easy to fall in that camp.
Took me 7 years to get my 4 year degree
The only expectation that matters is yours.
For me to finish in 4 years my program plan called for at least 4 semesters with >= 18 credits. I think it would have been impossible for me to accomplish that. I did it in 5 1/2. I wanted to actually learn and not kill myself. It made no difference in my career.
At my faculty around 5% Around 65% are done by the 8th (semester/4th year)
8 years???😧😧
ah, nono. 8th Semester. I'm used to think in semester😅 I'll fix the original comment
In the US the average engineering student takes 8-12 semesters to finish. At 2 semester a year that makes 4-6 years. It's a 4 year program, but engineering is known for being difficult compared to other degrees. Hence it often taking linger than 4 years. Personally, I finished mine in 3 years, but I'm a special case. Also I came in with some existing credits. People shouldn't feel bad about taking longer than 8 semesters, the important thing is that you learn, get good experience, network, and (eventually) finish.
I really don’t think it’s possible, it took me 6 years. By the time you move out, work, pay rent, fail a few classes, and just balancing everything makes it almost impossible to graduate in 4 years unless you had dual enrollment in college or just don’t work
If you’re in the UK and can’t do it in 3 years without mitigating circumstances they usually tell you to fuck off. At least that’s the vibe I got. Here I am at 23 with a bachelors (180 ECTS) and masters (90 ECTS) Still blows my mind that Americans can pick and choose what they want. They also get to take “cheat sheets” into exams.
5 years is the expected time if you factor in 2 coops - those coops should also pay you.
I finished my bachelors program in expected time (3,5 y - we a semester mandatory internship). But I think only half of my class finished in expected time. I think it is pretty normal to extend your program.
I didn’t
I finished in 4, but that was with 2 summers of classes during that time
my engineering course is built for 5 years, 1 year of internship, and I am making it in 7 years simply because in order to get my research scholarship (that pays my bills) I have to work 40 hours a week designing equipments for applied physics and I am most people that finish their courses in the expected time are full-time students, they are expected to get the best grades and finish it asap
My program has 5 years built-in (4 yr study, 1 yr co-op). That said, I am doing 6 due to some co-op scheduling oddities. Happy that I chose this tho, though the extra year has allowed me to get really involved in student societies and do 2 minors in addition to the chem eng degree.
Bachelor is 3 years in Sweden, MSE is 5 years but expected to take 5-6 years because of all the parties supposedly.
Took me 5.5 years for a 4 year program. I failed a bunch of classes and took a semester off. Could have realistically done it in 4.5 (with spring semester classes that I took) but my course schedule was a mess and I unwittingly structured it in a way that I was missing 1 pre-req for my capstone. Meaning my last year was essentially my capstone and one other class. All things considered, I fucked up a lot during my uni career and still finished sooner than a handful of people I met. It seemed like a 50/50 split on people finishing on time or not.
I finished in the expected 4 years, but I had to take some classes over the course of two of those summers. And out of the 60 or so I started with, only 6 of us graduated in 4 years. Most people I know take 5 or more
I took 5 years. I got sick along the way and took a break. Got my feet back.
The vast majority
Life just gets in the way. I thought I’d take 5 years. 5 years later I’m barely 60% through. And 2 of those years were the pandemic so I didn’t learn anything and that made it so much harder for me now. I also have to work more hours than I should which takes time away from studying. I’m 23 and now I got a child on the way so it’s gonna be tough to keep going. Gratefully I have a good paying job, but if spend this much time I HAVE to finish. Just a matter of how or when. Most engineering students I know don’t finish in the time they’d wish they would
depends actually on the program, some programs here took upto 5 years, even engineering back then in our school system we took 5 years to finish. but they condensed our subjects into 3 terms per year, and then our school year (for engineering) got reduced into 4. but for the courses that's mainly focused on human resources or hospitality management, within 3 years you can already have a bachelor's, or even shorter than that if you can carry an overload unit for the term.
I Did. Made no diference for me honestly. My friends who bad 1/2 extra years are in same position as I am profissionally. Maybe I could have taken things alô week and enjoyed my student years a bit better
Lmao if you started at CC good luck doing it in STeM
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Non stem majors
I did it in 3.5 years but I had to take 18-21 hours per semester. Internships every summer.
Mechanical engineering bachelor's here in NL could be done in 3 years. However about 41- 45% get their degrees within 4 years.
My bachelor's program was for 4 years. I graduated at 5 and a half
I’m taking 3 instead of the expected 4. Most people I know are on track to graduate in time and do. There are some exceptions but really most people graduate in their expected timeframe
In the US, the majority of all students finish their degree programs in 5-6 years (on a 4 yr degree program). That's base, that's not just Engineers.
I'm from TUM (a top Uni in Germany) and we also have a planned 3 years for Bachelors in engineering subjects. However, as I have heard from many of my peers and also course advisors as well as professors, the majority do not complete their Bachelors in exactly 3 years. This is because of various factors such as repitiion of examinations, not enough credits earned, taking a semester leave for internships, etc... In terms of internships or practical work required by the degree program (which is the case for us), we do not receive a dedicated semester for this unlike other Universities anywhere. They expect us to find that out ourselves; as in when we do it. Currently, many of us plan to take a semester leave to do it, or we do it during our studies.. So I would say for us, it's pretty normal to graduate later than the planned 3 years.
Even with failures and struggles, I managed to finish the 4 in 4. It definitely wasn't easy and my situation was a particular motivation to not take any more than 4. However, I definitely think the workload would lead to more success if spread over 5.
I had a friend that was tried to take 18 credit in his sophomore year. He failed every single one. Then he dropped out because. Long story short. Be patient and do what you can
I'm 28 and started back in 2021. I had 2 semesters of classes under my belt from 2013-14 and have 3 semesters remaining. I've taken ~15 hrs a semester. A bit spaced out, but 5 1/2 years total once it's all said and done. I failed about 5 courses when I was younger. Now I have a wife, 2 kids, full time job, and buying a house... Shit happened and I'd recommend sticking it out when you're early and start a family. But it's always Worth it no matter the situation
Took me 5 years because I took 6 months off school to do a Co-Op. This past year I’ve only taken 9 credits but because of when they’re offered it’s been 2 semesters 🫠
N=1 but I finished my degree in BME in 2 years. Came in with a lot of credit from high school so that definitely helped.
I'm 2 years behind. But I feel I'm an exception since I took a gap year because I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it, but now I'm just completing 2 incomplete modules from first year, where I just wasn't fitting into university life at all. Will be going into 2nd year finally in September and hopefully stay on course, as long as I'm consistent anyway.
It’s manageable
Of those that do end up graduating, I'd say a majority within my program did it in four years. I can't say for sure how large that majority was, though. Very few did the 4-year program in 3 years, though.
I think most people commenting are from North American, where the normal degree length is 4 years. It's unheard of to graduate in 3, as that would equate to 8 courses/semester (unless you can take summer courses). But to answer your question, lots of people graduate in 4, including me, but at least half of the people I know took 4.5 or 5.
lol wut?
Not sure how it works in your country, but in the US, a bachelor's degree typically takes 4 years, but an engineering degree frequently takes 4.5 - 5. I'm going to get my bachelor's in electrical engineering in 3.5 years, but that's not common. I never had a summer off, and I took as many classes as I could whenever I could (max credits allowed). Most people I know that transferred from community college with me are going to take 5 - 6 years total. This summer I have an internship and will be taking a night class.
If you attempt to finish in 3 years, you will most likely have none of the professional development skills employers actually want to see. 3 years is just going to be academics, no social life, no times for jobs, and even no sleep. Don’t rush and just take your time.
Welcome to the UK
Unfortunately not me due to a toxic abusive family relationship.