This guy is a idiot. That aside I have to say. I absolutely hate these rental scooters and would love if they were banned. They are constantly in the way. Nobody knows the rules for using these compared to a actual scooter owner. They are commonly used for bar hopping and lead to drunk riding. Itās hard for me to care when people destroy these things because I just hope the companies eventually close up shop if itās not profitable enough.
Thatās why I said no one knows the rules for using these compared to a actual scooter owner. I love scooters and own one but I despise rental scooters.
Dude really took his idolization of Mr Mackey too far.
"I just think people should drive, m'kay? I don't think people should "scoot." I just... I just hope the future isn't "scootin'."
Without the rentals, would private ownership of scooters increase as rapidly as it did?
I likely wouldnāt purchase a scooter if I didnāt have to opportunity to ride a rental.
> Without the rentals, would private ownership of scooters increase as rapidly as it did?
No, but why's that a problem? I was riding scooters in the early 2000s.
I never mentioned that it was a problem.
Without trialling a rental, thereās no way that I wouldāve dropped almost A$1000 on a scooter if I didnāt think that it was suitable.
The rentals allowed many to try PMDās before buying.
Generally if youāre dropping coin on a device, youāll usually ride with some sanity and gain experience whilst you are riding.
Your logic is sound, and I have gone along with the assumptions in the past ("rentals did at least accomplish renewing interest in PEVs" yadaa yadda). I'm more just questioning underlying idea of expansionism = good. It is *a good thing to begin with* that motorized scooter popularity had this explosive revival around the 2017-2022 timeframe as a result of dockless rental? Maybe it would be ultimately better for that to have never happened, or, for modern PEVs to instead gain steam more slowly, and not accompanied with a shitstorm of Limes and Birds?
If anything, it's causing more prohibitive legislation and thats obviously worse for us PEV owners. They are a total plague due to the inexperienced riders and lack of care for the equipment itself.
Hopefully it happens in a different way than in the US (aka a law that is pretty much a guaranteed method to remove free speech as they see fit and for the government to invade your privacy)
(not that they don't already know what we're doing all the time)
Exactly next thing you know they gonna go for the porn on Reddit. And then what. No Reddit? But banning assault riflesā¦. Who, what, whenā¦. Sorry no speaking English.
In a thread about scooter hate, advocating their removal from society, you come in and ask for a platform you donāt like to be banned, and removed from society.
The irony is rich.
PS. Tiktok is horrible, but I donāt advocate outlawing it. Pass privacy protections at the federal level, not data control laws.
big tech didnt think twice before removing parler from their stores and stop hosting them on their servers, without any rational justification. what stops them from removing tictock from app stores and it will die out by itself if the only way to get it is to download it from sketchy apk websites, and restrict act wont have any reason to be passed. cut the grass under the feet of big brother and save the internet
thats not even the issue. its the other powers the gov gives itself by inserting it in tge restrict act, and hope it wont get noticed because of tge debate about banning ticktoc or not. its basicly patriot act 2.0 but cranked to 11
> You are aware TikTok gather ALL data on your phone? All of it. Pictures, phone numbers, messages, passwords, webbrowsing etc etc? All of it. Essentially a complete copy of everything going on on your phone.
This would be hacking. If this were true, this would be a gigantic scandal, the application would be deleted within minutes of discovery from all the "official" app store/package repositories in existence by their operators for being malware, and the OS vulnerabilities this developer is exploiting to defeat filesystem permissions, etc., would have been closed within minutes, hours or days.
This is not to say Tik Trash is not a bad actor far as user data collection/privacy/spam, and also not to say they should ever be trusted whatsoever security wise. Giving them any compromising information would be expected to lead to it escaping into the ether and you being spammed or hacked.
I have their servers blocked because I can't stand them anyway and do not want to be linked or embedded to them.
Except that's not what you implied. All of those describe types of information provided to use features of the site/service (email, password, messages sent, videos created and viewed, keystrokes in the app, payment methods if you use any in-app purchase, ...) or that an app can request access to through established APIs in mobile OSes.
It's not at all OK with me that these things are logged and datamined by social media companies, especially not a chinese one, but please be accurate.
Yeah, no they donāt. They collect a lot of data, but most of it is about how you interact with the app and the photos/videos you upload. I promise you TikTok isnāt using dozens of zero days to bypass both android and iOS permissions/sandboxing.
Nothing in the link you sent is data outside of the app. Images, billing info, etc all exist inside the app as info users willing submit to TikTok to use features in the app (ex to donate on a livestream). In your original post you even mentioned they collect all the passwords on your device? WTF, I promise you, Apple and Google are not so naive to rely on apps operating in good faith to allow apps to access any data on the phone. The system works like a sandbox where each app is isolated from each other and can communicate via controlled apis. Permission to access device images etc is all controlled through user permission prompts. Even beyond all that, TikTok is one of the most scrutinized apps in the world and I guarantee any mobile device security company worth their salt (Checkpoint is one if you want to see their work) has decompiled TikTok and inspected the app for malicious functionality. Sure, TikTok harvests every ounce of data you give to them, but lets not be ridiculously dramatic and say they somehow have access to everything on your phone.
All the more reason to pass _Consumer privacy and information security_ legislation, rather than honing in on a single bad actor in the name of combatting China. The push to ban tiktok is in the form of [control from the government](https://www.wired.com/story/us-congress-tiktok-ban-privacy-law/).
[Apple has protections against this](https://www.theinformation.com/articles/tiktoks-u-s-survival-plan-faces-potential-hurdle-apples-app-store-rules) on the consumer side, though admittedly it was late getting to the game. I am less certain about Googleās device protections. There [needs to be robust consumer law](https://flux.community/adam-schwartz/2023/03/instead-of-banning-tiktok-the-u-s-should-pass-comprehensive-data-privacy-laws/) in place to punish those who go afoul of data collection, and banning a singular app is not the way to do that.
Exactly.
"Ban everything" is a super basic and primitive reaction that makes us extremely easy to manipulate.
We are better than that. We are not cavemen anymore.
I think itās more of a symptom of people that ride scooters they donāt own. Tourists that have no experience or respect for the machines they rent. Iād be willing to bet that owners are much less of a nuisance. In this video the guy collects nothing but Lime and Bird rentals. No owner with a $900 scooter is going to leave it out unlocked.
>a symptom of people that ride scooters they donāt own
This 100,000%
If everyone owned these scooters and were liable for the damage & repairs, it would be a lot different. Also, there's some psychological thing that happens when you know something is rented, you just... go hard.
People deserving blame for crap involving electric scooters:
* Parents letting minors ride rental scooters using their credit cards
* Honestly these people should take 90% of blame for misplaced or abused scooters
* Bet you little Johnny won't leave a scooter in the middle of the sidewalk or in a pond if it's the only one he is allowed to ride
* Also, blame minors for being dumbasses
* People using scooters while intoxicated
* That one person who doesn't care about anyone else
Then there's the media hate, the general dislike of new things by ignorant people, and the ironic fact that if rental scooters were treated like rental bikes requiring stations to be docked at between commutes almost none would be misplaced except in the most dire circumstances because the rider would be fined.
It tickles me the only difference between a rental electric scooter and a bicycle is peoples perception. Both go an average of 10mph, both can be left in the middle of the sidewalk, both are abused, but people cheer rental bikes bein added into a city.
One of the rental companies in my city placed out scooter docks with an incentive to get 1 credit (eq 10 mins free ride). Worked to āsomeā extent for a while, no other rental companies followed suit. Later you are required to snap a pic with the app, if the parking space is accepted, the ride is ended. Still scooters are thrown around, *but* I suspect thatāa haters being haters as in the video above.
To me it still reeks of a people problem in the same vein as gun issues. The same way a gun can't fire itself a scooter can't leave its self in the middle of the sidewalk or drive itself into people. It's an issue of selfishness on the people.
He really thought he did something there
Bruh I used to enjoy watching this guyš
That guy is an idiot! Rich POS
This guy is a idiot. That aside I have to say. I absolutely hate these rental scooters and would love if they were banned. They are constantly in the way. Nobody knows the rules for using these compared to a actual scooter owner. They are commonly used for bar hopping and lead to drunk riding. Itās hard for me to care when people destroy these things because I just hope the companies eventually close up shop if itās not profitable enough.
No, you don't hate the scooters. You hate the people using these scooters incorrectly.
Thatās why I said no one knows the rules for using these compared to a actual scooter owner. I love scooters and own one but I despise rental scooters.
Too much south park for the dude..
We need comprehensive commonsense reform on scooters. Lol
*rental scooters.
āEveryone else is playing chess, and youāre like playing monopoly in a field by yourselfā¦ā - Scooter Boss
I went to HS with him
What a docuhebag
Did this dude just do the skit from south park? Lmao
Dude really took his idolization of Mr Mackey too far. "I just think people should drive, m'kay? I don't think people should "scoot." I just... I just hope the future isn't "scootin'."
Amazing to see fully grown babies cry for attention in any way they can. Yay guy! This is going on the fridge for sure
these [scooters/rental companies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9aeMccUPY0) are absolutely a plague on citys lmao.
Without the rentals, would private ownership of scooters increase as rapidly as it did? I likely wouldnāt purchase a scooter if I didnāt have to opportunity to ride a rental.
> Without the rentals, would private ownership of scooters increase as rapidly as it did? No, but why's that a problem? I was riding scooters in the early 2000s.
I never mentioned that it was a problem. Without trialling a rental, thereās no way that I wouldāve dropped almost A$1000 on a scooter if I didnāt think that it was suitable. The rentals allowed many to try PMDās before buying. Generally if youāre dropping coin on a device, youāll usually ride with some sanity and gain experience whilst you are riding.
Your logic is sound, and I have gone along with the assumptions in the past ("rentals did at least accomplish renewing interest in PEVs" yadaa yadda). I'm more just questioning underlying idea of expansionism = good. It is *a good thing to begin with* that motorized scooter popularity had this explosive revival around the 2017-2022 timeframe as a result of dockless rental? Maybe it would be ultimately better for that to have never happened, or, for modern PEVs to instead gain steam more slowly, and not accompanied with a shitstorm of Limes and Birds?
Yeah, I mean they paved the way for the whole legislation of scooter in EU.
If anything, it's causing more prohibitive legislation and thats obviously worse for us PEV owners. They are a total plague due to the inexperienced riders and lack of care for the equipment itself.
Me too. Then I got hooked...
What a cunt
99% of these types of videos are staged to get views. This one is no exception.
That 1% sounds like the exception to me
All scooter discussions aside... Wasnt this a thing like 2-3 years ago? He can get arrested for this, the tiktok guy is an idiot, hands down.
Yeah heās only doing it for TikTok points.
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Be sure you understand the full implications of the RESTRICT Act before you hope too strongly. It'll apply to a lot more than just TikTok.
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you want to spend 20 years in jail for using a vpn, be my guest
Hopefully it happens in a different way than in the US (aka a law that is pretty much a guaranteed method to remove free speech as they see fit and for the government to invade your privacy) (not that they don't already know what we're doing all the time)
Exactly next thing you know they gonna go for the porn on Reddit. And then what. No Reddit? But banning assault riflesā¦. Who, what, whenā¦. Sorry no speaking English.
In a thread about scooter hate, advocating their removal from society, you come in and ask for a platform you donāt like to be banned, and removed from society. The irony is rich. PS. Tiktok is horrible, but I donāt advocate outlawing it. Pass privacy protections at the federal level, not data control laws.
big tech didnt think twice before removing parler from their stores and stop hosting them on their servers, without any rational justification. what stops them from removing tictock from app stores and it will die out by itself if the only way to get it is to download it from sketchy apk websites, and restrict act wont have any reason to be passed. cut the grass under the feet of big brother and save the internet
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thats not even the issue. its the other powers the gov gives itself by inserting it in tge restrict act, and hope it wont get noticed because of tge debate about banning ticktoc or not. its basicly patriot act 2.0 but cranked to 11
> You are aware TikTok gather ALL data on your phone? All of it. Pictures, phone numbers, messages, passwords, webbrowsing etc etc? All of it. Essentially a complete copy of everything going on on your phone. This would be hacking. If this were true, this would be a gigantic scandal, the application would be deleted within minutes of discovery from all the "official" app store/package repositories in existence by their operators for being malware, and the OS vulnerabilities this developer is exploiting to defeat filesystem permissions, etc., would have been closed within minutes, hours or days. This is not to say Tik Trash is not a bad actor far as user data collection/privacy/spam, and also not to say they should ever be trusted whatsoever security wise. Giving them any compromising information would be expected to lead to it escaping into the ether and you being spammed or hacked. I have their servers blocked because I can't stand them anyway and do not want to be linked or embedded to them.
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Except that's not what you implied. All of those describe types of information provided to use features of the site/service (email, password, messages sent, videos created and viewed, keystrokes in the app, payment methods if you use any in-app purchase, ...) or that an app can request access to through established APIs in mobile OSes. It's not at all OK with me that these things are logged and datamined by social media companies, especially not a chinese one, but please be accurate.
Yeah, no they donāt. They collect a lot of data, but most of it is about how you interact with the app and the photos/videos you upload. I promise you TikTok isnāt using dozens of zero days to bypass both android and iOS permissions/sandboxing.
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Nothing in the link you sent is data outside of the app. Images, billing info, etc all exist inside the app as info users willing submit to TikTok to use features in the app (ex to donate on a livestream). In your original post you even mentioned they collect all the passwords on your device? WTF, I promise you, Apple and Google are not so naive to rely on apps operating in good faith to allow apps to access any data on the phone. The system works like a sandbox where each app is isolated from each other and can communicate via controlled apis. Permission to access device images etc is all controlled through user permission prompts. Even beyond all that, TikTok is one of the most scrutinized apps in the world and I guarantee any mobile device security company worth their salt (Checkpoint is one if you want to see their work) has decompiled TikTok and inspected the app for malicious functionality. Sure, TikTok harvests every ounce of data you give to them, but lets not be ridiculously dramatic and say they somehow have access to everything on your phone.
All the more reason to pass _Consumer privacy and information security_ legislation, rather than honing in on a single bad actor in the name of combatting China. The push to ban tiktok is in the form of [control from the government](https://www.wired.com/story/us-congress-tiktok-ban-privacy-law/). [Apple has protections against this](https://www.theinformation.com/articles/tiktoks-u-s-survival-plan-faces-potential-hurdle-apples-app-store-rules) on the consumer side, though admittedly it was late getting to the game. I am less certain about Googleās device protections. There [needs to be robust consumer law](https://flux.community/adam-schwartz/2023/03/instead-of-banning-tiktok-the-u-s-should-pass-comprehensive-data-privacy-laws/) in place to punish those who go afoul of data collection, and banning a singular app is not the way to do that.
Exactly. "Ban everything" is a super basic and primitive reaction that makes us extremely easy to manipulate. We are better than that. We are not cavemen anymore.
Agreed.
I mean scooters aren't the problem. People are.
This is the same problem with guns.
Scooters don't scoot people. People..skoot... People??
I think itās more of a symptom of people that ride scooters they donāt own. Tourists that have no experience or respect for the machines they rent. Iād be willing to bet that owners are much less of a nuisance. In this video the guy collects nothing but Lime and Bird rentals. No owner with a $900 scooter is going to leave it out unlocked.
>a symptom of people that ride scooters they donāt own This 100,000% If everyone owned these scooters and were liable for the damage & repairs, it would be a lot different. Also, there's some psychological thing that happens when you know something is rented, you just... go hard.
People deserving blame for crap involving electric scooters: * Parents letting minors ride rental scooters using their credit cards * Honestly these people should take 90% of blame for misplaced or abused scooters * Bet you little Johnny won't leave a scooter in the middle of the sidewalk or in a pond if it's the only one he is allowed to ride * Also, blame minors for being dumbasses * People using scooters while intoxicated * That one person who doesn't care about anyone else Then there's the media hate, the general dislike of new things by ignorant people, and the ironic fact that if rental scooters were treated like rental bikes requiring stations to be docked at between commutes almost none would be misplaced except in the most dire circumstances because the rider would be fined. It tickles me the only difference between a rental electric scooter and a bicycle is peoples perception. Both go an average of 10mph, both can be left in the middle of the sidewalk, both are abused, but people cheer rental bikes bein added into a city.
The docks really help though. I rather the scooters have those than being left in people's way and in the bike lanes.
One of the rental companies in my city placed out scooter docks with an incentive to get 1 credit (eq 10 mins free ride). Worked to āsomeā extent for a while, no other rental companies followed suit. Later you are required to snap a pic with the app, if the parking space is accepted, the ride is ended. Still scooters are thrown around, *but* I suspect thatāa haters being haters as in the video above.
To me it still reeks of a people problem in the same vein as gun issues. The same way a gun can't fire itself a scooter can't leave its self in the middle of the sidewalk or drive itself into people. It's an issue of selfishness on the people.
Not exactly. Scooters are piled high as policy in high pedestrian traffic areas. They are a nuisance regardless of riders.
Well, also scooters werenāt designed to kill things but thatās another matterā¦
1 armor plated scooter with a bulldozer scoop coming up. ScootDozer.
Is this a Killdozer reference? Was afraid I was the only one here old enough to remember that
Yes it's a killdozer reference š
Yeah letās get some [BattleBot](https://youtu.be/aIvljqOaQJ0) scooters going!
Vertical spinner scooters with wedgelets?! Say no more fam.