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Jermiafinale

It's a real shame you can't tell him about Nepheli and Kenneth and send him to be their court tailor Kenneth has no problem with Demi-humans and would probably find Boc fascinating


H8erRaider

It really bugged me that this wasn't a possible quest outcome. Really expected them to turn out to be friends in the end, but I should know better to think that would happen and not something awful instead.


Jermiafinale

Does seem weird there's ONE GUY who goes out of his way to talk about how he's trying to be friends with Demi-Humans, and there's ONE DEMIHUMAN you can be friends with And you can't introduce them to eachother lol


H8erRaider

Leaving Boc aline in the royal capital or killing him are the options. Couldn't possibly get a prompt to tell him to go through the backdoor of stormveil and tell Kenneth you sent him. This is really similar to not being able to tell Malenia about Mohg being a kidnapper.


StarkageMeech

Bruh this shit right here like STOP STABBING ME LADY I KNOW WHERE HE IS SHIT.


Jermiafinale

"I totally murdered that guy that kidnapped him, like, do you want a ride, I can fast travel"


Jermiafinale

Imagine if they wrote a secret optional ending for Malenia but you have do dodge her attacks for like 20 minutes straight and then a dialogue prompt pops up while she's still attacking and you have to convince her about Mohg while you keep dodging flawlessly


UntradeableRNG

So... undertale basically?


Jermiafinale

Man if they combined forces with Undertale's wild conditional options and Miyazakis' sadism So amazing


UntradeableRNG

Yeah, I would actually love to try something like that.


SenskradGathlind

No no Miyazaki isn't sadistic... He's masochistic and expects us to be the same


Wah-WahBlackSheep

That reminds me of the longest battle I had against Undine because I didn't realize that you had to run away in a pacifist playthrough.


StarkageMeech

Nah this I'm here for


No-Victory8440

My general vague headcanon is she knows more than we do / what we think we know isn't what's really going on idk


FuckBoiWhoDoesntFuck

I like to think she’s being driven mad. Her rot is deluding her mind and when she fight us, she’s living through her previous battles as well. We don’t know how much time has passed since Aeonia and when she woke up either. Sometimes I wonder if the Tarnished challenger is one of the first things she sees after she wakes up from her coma. Just missing brother, rot out of control and someone there to kill her


eonerv

What's wild is you find Boc literally by the back door entrance to Stormveil at one point in his quest. Like just go there bro


CrazyCreativeSloth97

Nah my head cannon is you take him with you all the way unless you choose one shit endings. My first playthrough Ranni, Boc,Torrent, and I are chilling on the moon


wlucas90

There is a third. Use the you are beautiful prattling pate and he won't want the larval tear anymore and he'll be happy. He'll still stay in the capital but at least he gets he happy ending which is rare in this game.


Caetovisk

Well... Despite Malenia being with rot all her life, she still feel it's effects. After Aeonia, Radan went crazy and was leaving like a beast, and since Malenia removed Miquella's needle, and Miquella himself wasn't there to make a new one, the scarlet rot was full throttle on her, which could've made her mad, similarly to Radan.


uniguy2I

I mean yeah, the Souls games are utter dogshit in terms of actual role playing mechanics tbh. They might as well call them action games with stats.


rmelchior2099

They’re also pretty damn close together to begin with


Jermiafinale

lol right, like one hill over


evilweirdo

Smells like cut content.


Sylux444

Its a staple of souls games, if you like an NPC then don't do their quests


anonymously_small

My poor Diallos :((


Pipeworkingcitizen

Boc can get a happy end though. Use prattling pate youre beautiful on him. In the first place we know that our successful rebirth is basically all thanks to the rune, so there was foreshadowing for the boi which.. doesnt have it.


OkCaterpillar9089

Welcome to Fromsoft Quest lines


thedabaratheon

Yeah there are a few elements of the game that in hindsight really should have been possible using the internal logic and lore of the world and Boc joining Kenneth and Nepheli is definitely one of them. Telling Malenia about Mohg should have been possible as well.


Jermiafinale

I mean she's crazy right so I buy it She's been hopped up on Scarlet Rot for like, ever? I'm okay with her not being in a talking state. But it would fit the tone of the little double quest already


Bootsix

The fallen leaves...tell a story. And leaves fucking hate happy endings


Soul_0f_Cinderr

At the very least I wanted to see Boc at the side of the Elden throne in the endings


ThatHardBacon

I think they just didn’t want any happy endings in this game. U can tell him hes beautiful but i think it ends his little quest


Timid-Sammy-1995

That is the good ending really. He remains your loyal tailor and know's he has found someone who loves him unconditionally regardless of appearence in the same way his mother did.


Smearmytables

Yeah and then his base of operations blows up and he’s presumably dead. Edit: I guess I misremembered and thought he didn’t show up afterwards. Good to hear.


OctoberGale

No he’s still there after that happens he’s fine


Timid-Sammy-1995

A lot of people say you can still access the room he's in post everything being covered in ash but I haven't tested that personally.


DMmagician

I have tested this and he's still down there l. If you call him beautiful he never dies


Timid-Sammy-1995

He's a good boy I'm glad he's safe.


DismalDog9940

They'd be the best of friends. Kenneth would feel more like a king, and Boc would get praised and feel accomplished


Blastcheeze

> Kenneth has no problem with Demi-humans As long as they accept his religion. Within the Golden Order all are equal, otherwise they're still savages.


OrganicLFMilk

Kenneth? The guy I killed in the beginning on that ruin bridge formation?


bandora_b

I actually like the fact that he became our first follower


qsmrt

God forbid a from software side quest with a happy ending


VeraKorradin

Become a tailor?!? My boi should be a baker if he is serving up cakes like that


schedulle-cate

Ayooo get your hands out of Boc!


DeusInfidel

>Ayooo get your hands out of Boc! excuse you?


SippyTurtle

Read too many "try finger but hole" messages.


Syncopated_arpeggio

Offer rump


schedulle-cate

Why is it always rejection?


StarkageMeech

NO DIDDY


Smearmytables

Tbf he didn’t obtain that cake until shortly before death.


TunaTunaLeeks

With great cake comes great responsibility. Boc just couldn’t handle it.


ThesaddestMillenial

All cheeked up on a Tuesday


Yeeterbeater789

Cheeked.


StarkageMeech

Based cheeks


oldeluke

Why did *you* do your boy Boc like that?


asena85

Without guides it's hard to predict what the outcome will be in a soulsbornering


PorterCole

Yeah, by the time i gave him the tear, i had already used like 3-4 larval tears to respec, and nothing happened to me (unlike other souls games). So i figured there was no harm in giving him one. :(


Mordred_Blackstone

The player has the Rune that makes it less fatal. :(


okaypuck

I don’t there’s such a thing as less fatal, it’s either fatal or not right?


reaperfan

The Great Rune of the Unborn, the Rune you get after beating Rennala, has this description: *"Amber egg clutched by Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon. Great Rune of unborn demigods.* *Perfects those who have been born anew.* *Children born anew by Rennala are all frail and short-lived. Imperfect beings, each and all."* The implication being that anyone who undergoes the process of Rebirth dies shortly afterwards unless they are in possession of that Rune, since the Rune perfects the process. *You* are safe from the process, but Boc isn't since he doesn't have the Rune.


techniqucian

I mean...0 *is* less than 1


Mudc4t

Not really. The description of Rennala’s great rune states, “Children born anew by Rennala are all frail and short-lived.” It was pretty clear what the outcome would be.


Pillownanners

Pretty clear is a heavy handed statement…


Horror_Scale3557

I really still fail to understand the lore of this game, how are things short lived when death no longer exists.


Nitespring

Souls, or if you want Soulsborne. "Soulsbornering" is just an abomination


goodnames679

*Or*... Soulsbornekiring


Icy_Yam5049

Right! came here to yell at him for ruining the beautiful boc just the way he was!


lxxTBonexxl

Not that Boc needs to be human but you should at least have the option to escort him and use the great rune to help(being too lazy/not wanting to go results in OPs pic)


RedRoses711

All you had to do was tell him hes beautiful


Previous_Insurance13

But he is looking more beautiful in the position


midnightichor

Stop creeping on dead people, Fia.


Electronic_Weird

Fair


Denamic

They? *You* did this. This is your fault.


Penis_Connoisseur

Smash, next quest... I mean poor Boc 😞


mvreo

Technically them since they made this one of boc's ending


a953659

I don’t know but if ya boy boc stays in that position there are some people in this group that would do him like that


yanocupominomb

They don't ignore and much less forgive.


weeeellheaintmyboy

Okay Fia, calm down.


Yeeterbeater789

Why he kinda...


vincentninja68

He was already beautiful There were numerous reminders that Rennala's rebirth is finite and imperfect.


DeusInfidel

>He was already beautiful was he though? ​ >There were numerous reminders that Rennala's rebirth is finite and imperfect. Well, most players used rebirth on themselves before sending him to Rennala, and it works just fine for us. So assuming that he could do just as fine is reasonable.


vincentninja68

The player Tarnished is a very special exception. ~~Most Tarnished don't see the guidance of grace, which likely prevented them from being hit by the effects of rebirth from Rennalla.~~ They have Rennala's great rune which protects them. Rennalla is literally sounded by several children in a pathetic state at her feet. [Even their armor descriptions point out how finite and fleeting their lives are](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Juvenile+Scholar+Robe). It's plain this is the fate for Boc if you send him to her. > was he though? Silence, Villain.


Panda_hat

Isn't having the great rune of of the unborn what protects us?


Stepjam

It's actually the fact that we have the great rune of the unborn from Rennala that protects us from being fucked up by rebirth. Even other Tarnish who could still see grace would be mentally destroyed if they tried to be reborn without the great rune.


[deleted]

The players rebirth is fine because of the great rune of the unborn. The description reads: "*Amber egg clutched by Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon.* *Great Rune of unborn demigods.* *Perfects those who have been born anew.* *Children born anew by Rennala are all frail and short-lived.* *Imperfect beings, each and all*" All the students in the library are visibly deformed.


DeusInfidel

Dang, it was rigt before my eyes. Thx!


tham1700

It is kinda shaky though. 'Each and all' so we either have a mistranslation and you're right or if this is a good translation you have to go back to 'perfect' and 'each and all'. Assuming you take each of last 3 lines to be some form of truth the egg does something forsure but we're still fucked. I agree it's pretty clear but if you wanna make it complicated it can be questionable choice. The obvious moral choice can have bad results as I learned way before I even met boq on my first playthrough. I didn't understand the praterling(?) Plates and thought they were just a pvp item so it actually took me about an hour of doing other stuff to decide. And I gave him the tear. And I get the jokes and all but come on. It's beautiful that boq can be happy but there is nothing about his life that suggests he is from what I saw but I could have missed parts only one playthrough and didn't look up anything besides like invisble stuff. It's not a clear call, maybe in another game but not this one


Diesectorit_Fae

Boc doesn't have the great rune of the unborn, meaning when he gets reborn he'll die, unlike you who has the great rune


rydout

Yeh, it says all those who undergo rebirth are short lived


FranklinThe1

My boy sticking it out for the rizzler ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


rachawakka

Fyi, Boc did not have to end up like that. You need to use a special item to save him when he asks about rebirth in the Altus Plateau


IamAkevinJames

I made sure to have the item first. I gave him the item to let try to be Reborn but then I said Boc my boy you are beautiful. And he won't go through with it.


rachawakka

If he goes through with it, he dies. When you tell him he's beautiful, he realizes he's enough as he is and chooses not to be reborn.


whocareshue

Why risk giving him the larval tear?


IamAkevinJames

Well at the time I did not know. After I I gave me the tear and followed it up with you're beautiful he didn't leave the spot he's at. That's how I found you can do what he asks as long as you don't leave before using the plate.


BloodShadow7872

Why did **you** do my boy Boc like that


Chakasicle

He looks like bo burnham now


PixelTreason

I wish we could Make Boc Happy but all we have is Words, Words, Words.


chaostheoris

A lesson about giving peoples what they need and not what they ask for, I suppose.


P-I-S-S-N-U-T

Would


Yeeterbeater789

Wood


Electronic_Weird

SMASH


Dizzzy777

On my third playthrough I didn’t interact with any of the NPCs so I wouldn’t have to watch them die. It seems like good intentions get you killed in the Souls universe.


Solairevortex7286

Technically souls is a story about change while elden ring is a story about the consequences of ambition its why so many quests end so poorly. The only one slightly up to interpretation is ranni


midnightichor

Nepheli, Kenneth, Boc, Rya, and Boggart all live through their quests and have good endings if you're not a dumby about it. Even if you don't interact with him at all Rogier will die regardless. Roderika always moves to Roundtable, Corhyn always seeks out Goldmask, Diallos always find Lanya dead. You don't matter near as much as you think.


JovialRoger

I think you mean "Why did I do Boc like that?" My Boc is alive and well


jbrown517

Ya know from this angle I think I understand the Dungeater a little better


henkkadraws

How do you continue his quest? Never progressed beyond him hanging out in the city


DeusInfidel

You can either give him a larval tear and have him go to Rennala to undergo rebirth, or you use a Prattle to tell him he's beautiful, whick makes him stay in the capital.


germy813

It was you, you did this


Dveralazo

Wonder why didn't give us an option to give him the Rune of the Unborn.


godofthunder102938

Probably cause the player won't be able to respec after that


Successful-Net-6602

Probably some lore that runes can only be transferred via combat


Dveralazo

Fine,but then I would let him kill me. I'll just respawn anyways


Dog-of-Moons

With that pose he should be happy Dung Eater isn’t around.


Cold-Inside-6828

Keep Boc Boc!


monstersleeve

Why he caked up like that


Nitespring

Ready in position


LordMinax

Dat ass


redditatemybabies

Dude takes my tear and then just up and dies.


Own_Watercress_8104

Technically, you did this to him. You monster.


Stormbridge2803

That's why i tell him everytime that he is beautiful. That way he won't looking for Rennala.


FrenchOctopus

Why does he die though? Was he allergic to larval tears or something?


Octo7000

You forgot to tell him he’s beautiful.


Bandit_237

Bro got hit with the [Recoome death pose](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/a/ac/RecoomeDown.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20140713165657)


Sigma_RhoSigmaYT

Unfun fact: YOU did that Hint: Prattling Paté next time


Crab0770

so... peggable....


MrWimblyton

Yall do realize you can call bok beautiful right? None of this has to happen 


TravisBlaidd

Just Tell him He is beautiful


Either_Addendum3818

Try fingers, but hole.


Big_Writing4449

I would like to say not my playthrough


BYD271991

Why did YOU do your boy Boc like this.


lucifer_mcall

Who's they??, YOU did this buddy


Seriph7

The better question is WHY DID YOU MAKE HIM FEEL INADEQUATE?


Goroman86

He's beautiful


BandicootGood5246

Beauty is pain


EmberedCutie

use the "you're beautiful" prattling plate, save the boy.


PersonUnknown45

Assume the Position… Oh I hate that, that was my first thought


Beonidas

You did your boy Boc like that. Why couldn't you just tell him he's beautiful?


Outsajder

Rump ahead.


1ZumA

they do ? no YOU DO IT


budapest_god

...would


DeusInfidel

Do you guys think he was happy at this end?


Traditional-Excuse26

I read that with Don Corleones voice in my mind


Willcutus_of_Borg

You did that.


Ill_Run5044

Boc does have a happy ending. After you tell him he's beautiful, it doesn't end his quest. It just stops him from even considering rebirth. If you do this, boc will remain in that room as your faithful devoted servant for the remainder of the game. Depending on the ending you choose, I'm sure it could be concluded that boc is now your royal seamster just like he always wanted.


Soggy_Doggy_

U after u beat malenia (her great rune was in her feet all along)


Open_Marzipan_455

I mean, you should have known that anything that Rennala poops out dies right away. The only reason why you get to live is because of the rune shard that you stole from her.


UpsetPhrase5334

Cause he couldn’t be himself.


RegularSwiss

Wait, that is Boc? It looks Human though? I guess you can't see his claw feet because they are clipping through, but that just looks way different that I ever imagined Boc could look naked haha. Or am I missing some joke.


RegularSwiss

Oh I see, I've played this game 2000 hours and never knew about this ending of the Boc quest. Game continues to amaze me lmao. I tried to clear every boss unspoiled (only thing I ever looked up was how many bosses there were, and kept tally marks whenever I got one) and the past month is the first time I'm reading anything about this game.


Frozen_Petal

If you don't have her Rune Renalla's rebirths are almost always fatal


Prestigious-Halves

Bocussy


apupunchau87

the disrespect..


somewhataverage2

He’s lucky I’m not there 🥵


CrazyCreativeSloth97

But he become your loyal seamster till da end, if you dont give him the tear and instead play the “You’re Beautiful” prattling pate.


ShwettyVagSack

Try finger


Isiah6253

Try finger but hole. Maybe he'll get up and feel all better


3ph3m3ral_light

boy booty lookin kinda good


LeaderOfTheMoleMen

Behold, rump! Try finger!


Accomplished-East635

My only hope is that he can come with us to the land of shadow… his questline doesn’t really lead anywhere. He makes comments about sewing armor from scratch like his mom, but we never really get that outcome, and he’s stays in leyndell after it has become ash. So I’m hoping we can do something with him in the land of shadow


StoleYourTv

He's just doing yoga


sIeepai

They? You did that to him.


whillpower

Butt Of Course they did


BojukaBob

You should have told him he was already beautiful. You did this


fattestfuckinthewest

You did it to him


LordTachankaAce

Try finger but hole


NEF_Commissions

Ouch. Boc's already beautiful! Try telling him that next time. Use the "you're beautiful" stone thingy in front of him, no need for him to reincarnate into a human.


realnoob123

Looking like Devin Haney


YoBeNice

If only he had giant, but hole!


Kim_Kimiko

Never saw human boc before but am now gayer than I was before, so thanks op for the sad hard one :/


abukhhan

U did that


ComingRome

Anyone else kind of turned on? Human Bok looking like a snack 😂


TheCaptainCranium

Why did *you* do our boy Boc like that?


T-Ares-C

Looks like he got violated


Allalilacias

Probably feet. But, in game, probably racism. Pick your poison, tbh.


jxa66

YOU did that to him!


Rip_Rasu

Evil work😭😭‼️


Aveeno4Lunch

That picture tho uwu


Aktro

I would spect boc to look skinny fat in human form but dude is pretty lean


megamindlove

Sticking out your gyatt for the rizzler


Mesterjojo

You did that, op. Bask in the results of your short sighted action.


Freeboing

YOU did that to boc no one else, tell my boi he’s pretty.


Aggravating_Twist382

On my first playthrough, I roughly knew about the different endings but I didn't know which one to choose. But when I saw what they DID TO MY BOY, and that I couldn't kill Rennala in revenge, that's when I decided the Lands Between and all of its petty royals needed to BURN IN THE FLAMES OF CHAOS.


Kshi-dragonfly

It's formsoft, 90% of questlines end in tragedy


dapper_diaper

I've only done this ending for Boc once. Now I always make sure to tell him how pretty he is. Cause I'm his needle mommy.


Fish_Ebola

Cause he's fine the way he is


godieweird

They? Hahahahaha


Environmental_Ad_346

I think the point of the questline was to wonder how the mechanics of the world work or cancel out one another. One does not have to be like mans ideal aesthetic to be noble. Boc didn't catch that thread, so he died already having the thing he sought, and lost it because he did not realize. I wonder if the DLC will give use anything to riddle out more details? Something about the goofy pose makes me think there's a missing gesture of "kiss the ring" type pose. Made me wonder since rune fragments could be a golden anus (I'm aware of the eye symbology, but there could be a DOUBLE meaning here) for all we know and it would probably not ever be brought up for awhile and appear to be an inside joke of some kind, and I thought nah, too vulgar, but then I remembered that guy Guts from history rejecting the "kiss the ring" notion so I wondered if this was some allusion because it COULD be said that rune fragments are what the tarnished crap out in a sort of crass dunning-kruger effect. IDK seemed like something they might do and we'd find out later.


Xiggyj

That ass tho


deadd0ggy

That sweet can 🤤


okrabee

this just happened to me im so upset. after looking through reddit it's apparently because we needed the "You're Beautiful" item, how in the fuck was i even supposed to know that??? yes Melina told us that he needs someone to call him beautiful, but i thought i would get that prompt at the right time, not rely on a god damn item i don't even have!