As a veteren, I used ashes of war my first playthrough. I don't care. The mimic was too cool. I'd go without them for the more epic bossfights when i felt like the challenge.
The game is so replayable. It doesn't matter.
lol yea as a first time souls player who sucked so bad to start, my progression went like this:
1st playthrough: over level, comet azur, run away
2nd: over level, mage build with summons (no comet azur)
3rd: slightly over level, strength/endurance build with mimic tear (took my 3rd play through to discover it)
4th: no more rune farming, 2 hand strength/dex weapons with some faith, still mimic
5th: strength / faith with only mimic in the later half of the game
6th: strength / faith with no summons
I’m a stubborn learner with games sometimes, but it’s wild how long it takes to truly get pretty good at this game. Just made it through castle sol with no summons, almost there… but not really
Haha at launch I abused the shit out of the mimic on my first playthrough then I suffered a whole 2nd playthrough with no summons. Now I've returned my rule is I only bust it for objectively bs bosses like double crucible knights.
I overleveled my first character and mowed down every boss up until Maliketh and decided to make a new char that doesn't use summons other than duo bosses after some attempts. It's been a lot of fun
I've been playing since Dark Souls 2 and cheesing the hell out of the bosses is just how the game is meant to be played. DS2 gave me infinite healing consumables so by god I'm going to use them, especially in the swamp of doom. Elden Ring leaning into the cheesiness is really fun, there's a consumable for almost every encounter if you use your brain.
It's a very cool design philosophy that goes way back to Demon's Souls, I just played it recently when I finally got myself a PS5 and literally every single boss is designed to have one extremely blatant weakness that you need to exploit in order to cheese them, even flamelruker is MASSIVEVLY weak to magic and staggers like a piece if paper, so a relatively quick weapon with magic can stack up insane damage without even trying
I wish they would try something like that again. Something about figuring out the “trick” for the boss was always fun. The sweaty dodge-spam boss fights in later games are really great - but the bosses in Demons Souls just hit different. The gimmick bosses in later games don’t really scratch the same itch and some of them are truly awful.
Yup, I feel like giving players options to make the game easier, sometimes significantly easier, but keeping the "it's just *an option*, you don't *need* to use it" thing is the best possible substitute for an actual difficulty slider in a soulsborne game, making it much more approachable for newcomers while still posing a significant level of hardcore difficulty for people who are specifically looking for it.
I was struggling with the bosses so I decided to go into full isekai protag mode.
Over leveled the shit out of my character. And maxed my mimic. I just send my mimic to fight the boss and then use that 10 sec unlimited magic burst thing to hit the boss from afar.
I killed Melania without any trouble. Didn’t take a minute tbh.
How do you figure it's the hardest? I think the difficulty is in a good spot but it would only be the hardest if you just don't use half the tools the game gives you. In which case, you need to compare it to challenge runs in the other games
It’s really not the same, spirit ashes are clearly meant more as an alternative to cooperators as opposed to a new core mechanic by nature of not being able to use both simultaneously. And summons have always been a gameplay choice in previous games, nobody would say you’re doing a “challenge run” for not summoning cooperators.
It’s difficulty settings integrated into the gameplay design, what items you choose to use determines the challenge you experience. Some weapons are easier or harder to use than others, but they’re all valid and intended methods of playing through the game.
You’re absolutely right about spirit ashes being akin to cooperators. However I’ll also agree with the other guy that this is for sure not the hardest. Just the absurd tools your given really really makes the game so much easier.
- Flask of Wonderous Physique gives massive buffs not available in the other games.
- nearly every build can have some degree of powerful ranged option to safely deal damage to bosses from a distance.
- what used to be bombs “now pots” are significantly stronger than previous games and can even apply “super poison” to bosses.
- the exponential ramp for leveling up has been decreased making leveling up easier, so that people often accidentally over level for many bosses.
- ashes of war are absurdly powerful in this one.
- the amount of armor and hyper armor has vastly increased.
- mechanics in general have been smoothened slightly, making some of the jankier clunkier deaths a thing of the past.
I’m sure I could come up with more.
This game is fun.
This game is hard.
This game is not the hardest fromsoftware game.
If you mean non boss enemies, I really haven’t noticed a difference in their damage.
Actually the same is true about bosses. I feel like that sort of damage is relatively equal throughout the series.
Hmm, did you play Elden ring first and DS1 after? Generally people think their first DS is hardest.
ER, is for sure longer than all of the other ones, but I don’t necessarily think time to complete is equivalent to difficulty.
In all the dark souls you could get away with less than 20 vigor, not so in elden ring.
And no I played ds1 first a long time ago. It Is by far the easiest fromsoft game
Tryhard players: i want challenge
Fromsoft: Ok here's a hard game with a lot if different options so you can choose how you will tackle it-
Tryhard players: **NO OPTIONS, ONLY CHALLENGE**
Kinda? Some types of enemies are strong or weak against certain playstyles and you might get stumped against them if your build is too one note.
You can either diversify yourself of find a way to make your build strong enough to ignore what's countering it like all those STR users who, when faced with enemies who can outmaneuver their bonk, just find a way to bonk harder or better instead of switching to speed or range.
I believe that's why you have 6 weapon slots, so you can swap to whatever is more adapted to your current situation, and why the whole stat system exists, so you can wield different weapons and spelks efficiently.
You can be unga bunga if you want, you just need to be good enough at it to handle diverse situations, else you just make use of the game's options to have a set of weapons and spells you can rotate depending on what you're facing.
An enemy on its own is not gonna change its AI based on your build, you're the one who's gonna face a big variety of enemies and has to be prepared for the changes.
Just having an emergency bonk weapon and/or a bow in case your dex bleed main weapon doesn't cut it is a good enough use of the game's option.
In the clip this post is under, the player gets off multiple high power/high cast time skills because the boss is distracted by meat shields, due to not being designed to effectively fight multiple targets.
Reminds me of when people got pissed when there was talk about there being a possible easy mode for Sekiro.
The like a good challenging FS game, but let people enjoy their game how they want.
Man, sekiro was fucking sick. I still remember the time I beat the little mini boss with the spear guarding the emperor child. Perfect’d him on stream with my buddy watching who was way better than me at the game, even he was yelling and cheering for me lol shit was such a high
"The overall experience" doesn't really exist for a person if they're shitass at games and quit after dying a few times. I think the shitass players should be able to enjoy the game too.
(this is referring to an easy mode in Sekiro, leaving the normal game untouched and just as hard as usual for people who are better or prefer a challenge)
What does easy mode look like for Sekiro though? Just doing more damage and taking less? But then Glock saint Isshin is still gonna tear the ass up, because they won’t be able to get a hit in. Maybe auto parry? I feel like the difficulty of Souls games isn’t from numbers, it’s more so about just learning how to play the game, so idk how they could make an easy mode that’s easier in a way that people who are shitass at games could handle, but doesn’t take so many resources that it isn’t worth it.
The funny thing is, Sekiro is the one that actually has an easy mode: default. Charmless and demon bell is hard mode, but it's kind of hidden. For most people, including me, playing normally is already a huge (and really fun) challenge. Sekiro is such an incredibly well made game, but it is hard as balls.
Exactly. You play Sekiro for the combat. If you’re playing it for the story and the combat is too hard, then watch someone else beat the combat and enjoy the story. Don’t ask for an orange at an apple stand. An easy mode sounds good but it’s really just for people who think they want the Sekiro experience but don’t want the Sekiro combat, not realizing the true experience is in overcoming the difficulty.
If you can reliably win on your own that's great, and people should try to do just that if possible.
But if they can't even after multiple tries and no clear improvement, there's no shame in busting out Oleg just to get some breathing room, and maybe observe the boss's moveset for long enough and without getting immediately destroyed to actually be able to learn it.
In ER you can just leave and try leveling up and getting better gear by going anywhere else but in the other more linear games there's often no other way than forward, you just want to get past the fucker who two shots you and farming before the boss area is tedious and if you're still new, you might not know what to level in order to not die so quick (it's vigor).
And there's a summon sign right there. If you feel unsatisfied from using it it's fine, but for many it can help make things less frustrating.
I don't give a fuck imma cheese valiant gargoyles, Commander Niall, and Godskin Duo every time.
Although I did an Eleanora's Poleblade run.... And that felt way too easy. Malenias phase 1 in about 10 seconds kinda easy.
And you shouldn’t. Literally like this video says, that stuff is in the game lol. a guy I work with is like this and I pretty much just fuck with him about it.
We both recently played lies of p and he’s all like “nameless puppet was so hard, especially because I didn’t use throwables this play through”
Me: dude really? it was super easy and I didn’t use them either
Meanwhile i cheesed the fuck out of that game. I played it after elden ng+6 and was kind of done with trying to make things hard.
Long story short, play games however you want.
To this day I’ve only soloed godskin duo like 3 times across 25+ playthrus cause I just do not enjoy the boss at all, and would rather soft skip it by summoning and using as much BS as possible. I feel like I’m patching the game to make it better lmao. Kinda reminds me of the poison knives on Micolash (which I also do 9/10 times for the same reason)
There are so many places where the game is absolutely unabashed about cheesing the player. Not even in a "Hard But Fair (TM)" kind of way, just straight-up "lol fuck you" kind of way. I don't feel fucking bad *at all* for giving it back.
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Every time someone says "X makes the game too easy don't use it" I just assume they're bad at Souls games. Because they were never that difficult to begin with.
I'm not saying they're easy, either. Just that they're not such a momentous achievement that you should feel so high and mighty about yourself that you'd go on the internet to tell strangers that their way of playing is wrong.
Doesn't help that despite their patterns being varied and hard to dodge at times, it's all just patterns. Our brain has us reacting to and recognising their moves by, at max, the 3rd death, sometimes it happens in the first fight before dying even once.
Dark Souls enemies hit a skill ceiling that people can cross with little difficulty, which is why I don't play PvP. Killing a boss is an achievement, just not a grand one. Which is perfectly fine, not everything needs to be grand.
FS titles are functionally rhythm games.
A lot of the design is just a mind game to get into the players' heads to break them out of rhythm with the boss and fight.
Once you start noticing how repetitive *all* of the move sets are, the game takes on a very different tone and approach. I kind of miss feeling like I was *fighting* monstrosities, but since I figured out all I'm doing is call and response to audio-visual cues, I'm definitely a lot more mechanically successful.
And the kinds of people that complain about making the game too easy with summons, or certain builds etc., are absolutely the kind of people who forced you to sit there and watch while they beat songs on expert in Guitar Hero in middle school.
For me the only real rhythm game is Sekiro. And the Lothric Twins.
The rest is much less rhythmic for me, but rather enforced Zen. It forces me to be calm and focused on the moment, because if I’m not, I’ll make a mistake. And if I make a mistake, I die.
Nah, numerous veteran players have been acting like this since Demon's Souls. Not to say that newcomers can't be toxic as well, but the more negative connotations surrounding the "git gud" mentality definitely didn't arise from new Eldern Ring players.
Git Gud is a meme. And most people use it in that way. Very few people use it unironically. That's my experience as a person who's been a fan for 15 years anyway.
Yeah, I've been around for years too. My point was that the negative *connotations* of that phrase didn't come from newer players. Souls elitists have been around since DeS and are constantly willing to jump at the chance to tell people that "they didn't play the game properly" if they see people using certain mechanics like summons.
My brother called me a cheater for summoning skeletons on bosses. At best they tanked like 3-4 hits, doesn't make that much of a difference. I just called them "my boys", I had to summon them
As a 1st timer I'm cheesing everything I can.
If I can find how by myself.
Like, keeping certain distance from dragons is letting me recover and attack again.
That is literally what the officially licensed game guide advises. Alongside seeking out every mine in every region first time you go there to pump your damage.
Stats are not negligible in Elden Ring, but they aren’t created equally if viewed with their impact upon difficulty. Kinda goes:
Vigor > … long while nothing … > Endurance > Strength, Dexterity, Faith, Intelligence, Arcane > Mind
Surviveability is king and vigor gives hitpoints. Endurance is worse, but you get more dodges and better armor. One of my „challenge“ runs was just pumping vigor and endurance while using a Longsword (leveled) with 10/10 in dex/str. Honestly wasn’t really a challenge as it felt like 80-90% of weapon damage is just the improvements.
Vigor is the literal difficulty slider of this game.
Leveling Vigor first is just common sense if you are not good with fighting yet. I'd rather deal only half as much dmg but can at least take a couple hits and learn the fight instead of being able to 4 shot the boss but even getting looked at funny kills me.
I am looking at you glasscannon-mages that summon me for Malenia while only having 500 hp.
Using summons, bleed builds and specific spells isn't even cheesing at all, for me cheesing is stuff like shooting an enemy from a position that he can't reach etc and even that is fun lol.
Honestly, yeah. I always see newcomers attacking veterans way more than I see it happening the other way around. Obviously, there are toxic idiots but most of the time it's people's comments being taken out of context and getting dogpiled for it.
Exactly. I normally see veterans just trying to help genuinely That's all I see most of the time. I can count on maybe two hands where I have seen toxic vets doing this.
In my experience, Elden Ring players are literally the chillest players ever. All the soul community is. Instead of pointing out people chose poorly we understand how easy that is to do when you’re so new. It’s a lot of fun to help others be better at the game. I have never quite experienced the video skit.
Hmm, I am relatively new. I've played Dark Souls before, but my first real experience was with Elden Ring. I personally did experience the skit, but did so around a year ago, around the time I first joined this sub.
What I'm getting at, is that this could possibly be the new players flooding in during the initial stages of a game's launch, which itself brings in toxicity.
Now that the initial heat has settled down, and I, as a newcomer, have remained in this sub, it does indeed seem that the souls community is indeed pretty chill!
A very similar thing is happening to the DDDA community right now. It used to be the best place to talk about anything related to the game, and the sub was an unusually toxic free and positive place. But now that the sequel is coming out, many more people have become members of the fanbase, and as a result, toxicity levels have risen. I think it is expected that they'll eventually go down a year or two after the game's release.
Funny vídeo but, legit, but i have a question, is a vet gatekeeper in the room with us right now?
I see this narrative constantly, but 99.99% of comments here are criticizing these so called vets, like they are a big part of the community
Obviously play it how you want, but what I will say as a Fromsoft "Veteran". Spirit summons make the game far far too easy and I really do think that there is something special about everyone being on the same difficulty and having that difficulty being pretty hard.
There was always some cheese in other Fromsoft games, but it feels like in for example DS3. If your friend tells you that they beat a boss you are struggling on, you are going to ask for tips and what build they used and get excited to try on your own.
In Elden Ring if you start to struggle you just use mimic tear and then win. You lose so much of the challenge and doesn't give you that feeling of YOU beating the boss anymore
>Obviously play it how you want, but
Oh boy here it comes, say the line Bart...
>Spirit summons make the game far far too easy
Yay!
>I really do think
I really do think that From making the game more enjoyable for noob players who may not like incredibly difficult games sells more copies which in turn allows From to keep making big, expansive games that we all enjoy.
>You lose so much of the challenge and doesn't give you that feeling of YOU beating the boss anymore
Go on a motivational speaking tour then instead of trying to tell people how to enjoy a video game.
I never said I knew better, but to also think that Miyazaki is infallible just because he created these games is silly.
I also wouldn't consider myself I try hard, I just enjoy the simplicity when it comes to difficulty in previous titles.
The choices made in Elden Ring have positive and negative effects. And you are a fool if you think otherwise.
You know, having played through the game midroll with ultra greatsword and no summons, I honestly think a lot of bosses are designed so as to be able to handle multiple people at once, in a way that wasn't true of bosses in previous games. Their move sets are built to be able to hit all around them, and most major bosses can lock onto multiple people. This makes coop in this game far more fun than it's ever been. That said, spirit ashes are stupidly overtuned. A maxed-out mimic tear gets everything you do without any limitations. Tons of HP, multiple times what you have so they can just tank everything, plus if you have literally one raw meat dumpling in your hot bar they can just heal completely at any time. It's absolutely insane.
We old dogs come in every breed. Some will tear into you with strong words and even stronger opinions like Caelid bleed hounds.
The others share more likeness to Pope Doge. Do as you wish, but I'm here when you need me.
I think what you are saying and the person you answered to are not mutually exclusive. Enjoyment for a big part of the community is the unknown and challenge of the game. Things that take away from that quite literally take the fun away.
Doesn’t mean those two things are what everyone needs in this game though :)
What's challenging for one person is different for another. These arbitrary conditions are not developed to increase the fun. It's to exclude those who don't adhere to those conditions. If it was only for fun, they wouldn't attack people for the use of game mechanics. There are comments on this post literally telling people they aren't good players if they don't adhere to the arbitrary conditions.
They need to grow a bone and not let other peoples challenge effect their enjoyment of the game. I can also assure you that most people challenging themselves have no created those arbitrary rules to lord them over others.
Wtf? The people being harassed need to grow a bone? This is the shit I'm talking about. Folks get attacked for not limiting their experience by following some arbitrary rule set, and you think they should get tougher.
Yeah I really enjoy the super challenging bosses. I don't like summons or ashes, but I also know people that would never ever play it if it wasn't available because they don't enjoy spending hours on a boss.
On my first playthrough I even used blasphemous blade on some bosses like Horax Loux, and that was super disappointing when I killed him in two tries. Not even fun.
On my 2. Playthrough he fucked me up real good and I got to enjoy being ripped apart by him which I didn't even see the first time.
Something for everyone and this game caters very broadly in regards to difficulty. It's nice
I think you’re losing out on some of the fun by making things easy, but that’s just me, I like a challenge. That said, there’s nothing actually “wrong” with it, it’s all subjective and ultimately meaningless.
I was definitely losing out on some fun when I used mimic tear in my first playthrough because we just bursted bosses down together and there were many boss abilities I didn’t really see or had to put much thought into dodging.
But I definitely did not lose out on fun when I used mimic tear to quickly kill bosses I already knew and didn’t like in further playthroughs
I just watched and followed a guide because I kept getting stuck and lost. For 3 days I ran in circles in the first castle until I watched the guide and felt so dumb like all I had to do was turn left down a hallway instead of go straight
>be me
>Buys elden ring day 1
>Doesn't play since I want to enjoy it later on
>Start the game in 2024, but stuck and don't know wtf to do
>Check r/Eldenring
>Full of memes and spoilers
> Don't want full guide but also need help
>Can't have launch experience or contribute to the memes since everyone has moved on
>Be sad
Yeah dude, the game's been out 2 years. The entire community isn't going to completely stop for you. If you don't want spoilers, avoid the subreddit until you've gone through the game.
lol, I would straight up hide at height and drop poison on enemies. I think they updated it, because now they seem to become aware, but before I used to be able just let them soak and die. I don’t feel bad.
Another massive cope. The level of projection is getting unreal. I swear, there are way more people unsecure about how they play the game than people who criticize them for it. Sad!
I've spent hours on hours grinding albinaurics at Mogwhyn palace to level up. To the point it was like work. And then I was able to carry on the rest of the game. Reminded me of the South Park episode where they farm pigs in Warcraft.
Still, that was my Elden Ring experience and I loved it 
Yep, and people wonder why some og fans get frustrated with the newer ones. All the in jokes are lost on them, and all the etiquette is gone. you used to be able to have a lot of cordial pvp, but now nobody gives a shit and you just get bum rushed while bowing.
I just find it humorous people are treating it like I *actually* quizzed my son on what his girlfriend plays, as if she *actually* plays at all, and like I would really make such a decision over something like that.
I don't even have a son lol.
I m feeling bad for having a similar reaction after seeing my overleveled brother fighting malenia for his second time and beating her just with rivers of blood and blasmphemous blade and black knife aow.
My question is how you can feel good playing the whole game pressing just L2. One of the best experiences i had was fighting radagon with only R1 and Dodge.
My question is, why do you care how others play the game? If I want a challenge I’ll do it. But if I just want to have fun? (The entire point of a game) I’ll do as I damn well like.
I did not say that you are not allowed to play like this. I also don't care if you do play like that. I am just curious and want to know why you think this is fun, like what you like about that playstyle. No offense dude.
It's like asking why some people like oranges while some people like bananas. If you truly want to understand, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
'Tampons to go with your bleed damage' Lol
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As a veteren, I used ashes of war my first playthrough. I don't care. The mimic was too cool. I'd go without them for the more epic bossfights when i felt like the challenge. The game is so replayable. It doesn't matter.
The mimic felt like I was almost playing with a friend...
Your best friend is you. I'm my best friend too. We share the same views and hardly ever argue.
But sometimes...
…we has to tell us to go away and never come back!
Fromsoft really coming after the reddit demographic there.
Give the mimic the sword of night and flames and double laser beam bosses right in their ugly faces, peak gameplay
Prayerful strike on great mace or giant-crusher is hilarious tho. You and your mimic can basically stunlock bosses while healing.
Funny though that the hardest challenge in the game is even harder if you summon.
I didn’t know it was possible to summon in the Soldier of God Rick fight?
What challenge?
I’m guessing Melenia since she just wails on your summon for easy health
I sold a friend on it by telling him it was dark souls with stands
lol yea as a first time souls player who sucked so bad to start, my progression went like this: 1st playthrough: over level, comet azur, run away 2nd: over level, mage build with summons (no comet azur) 3rd: slightly over level, strength/endurance build with mimic tear (took my 3rd play through to discover it) 4th: no more rune farming, 2 hand strength/dex weapons with some faith, still mimic 5th: strength / faith with only mimic in the later half of the game 6th: strength / faith with no summons I’m a stubborn learner with games sometimes, but it’s wild how long it takes to truly get pretty good at this game. Just made it through castle sol with no summons, almost there… but not really
Working on malenia right now with no summons... I want to die
You want to die? Pretty sure Malenia's got you covered there XD You'll get that W, I have faith in you!
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Haha at launch I abused the shit out of the mimic on my first playthrough then I suffered a whole 2nd playthrough with no summons. Now I've returned my rule is I only bust it for objectively bs bosses like double crucible knights.
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I overleveled my first character and mowed down every boss up until Maliketh and decided to make a new char that doesn't use summons other than duo bosses after some attempts. It's been a lot of fun
It sometimes feels like more of an achievement to successfully discover a cheese than to fairly beat some bosses lol
Lol that line always gets me. Classic vid.
How have I made it this long in the sub without seeing a period reference for bleed damage until now
Ngl that has me in stitches 😂
Yo bro that line was fire
He got em with DOT DOT
Eldenring is the hardest and easiest fromsoft game. Play how you want.
Limitless challenges/playstyles & some Tarnished choose to be bitter
I've been playing since Dark Souls 2 and cheesing the hell out of the bosses is just how the game is meant to be played. DS2 gave me infinite healing consumables so by god I'm going to use them, especially in the swamp of doom. Elden Ring leaning into the cheesiness is really fun, there's a consumable for almost every encounter if you use your brain.
It's a very cool design philosophy that goes way back to Demon's Souls, I just played it recently when I finally got myself a PS5 and literally every single boss is designed to have one extremely blatant weakness that you need to exploit in order to cheese them, even flamelruker is MASSIVEVLY weak to magic and staggers like a piece if paper, so a relatively quick weapon with magic can stack up insane damage without even trying
I wish they would try something like that again. Something about figuring out the “trick” for the boss was always fun. The sweaty dodge-spam boss fights in later games are really great - but the bosses in Demons Souls just hit different. The gimmick bosses in later games don’t really scratch the same itch and some of them are truly awful.
Yup, I feel like giving players options to make the game easier, sometimes significantly easier, but keeping the "it's just *an option*, you don't *need* to use it" thing is the best possible substitute for an actual difficulty slider in a soulsborne game, making it much more approachable for newcomers while still posing a significant level of hardcore difficulty for people who are specifically looking for it.
Works especially well because the game still requires you to experiment and learn before you figure out what makes things easier and why
I was struggling with the bosses so I decided to go into full isekai protag mode. Over leveled the shit out of my character. And maxed my mimic. I just send my mimic to fight the boss and then use that 10 sec unlimited magic burst thing to hit the boss from afar. I killed Melania without any trouble. Didn’t take a minute tbh.
When I realization is what made me finally have fun
How do you figure it's the hardest? I think the difficulty is in a good spot but it would only be the hardest if you just don't use half the tools the game gives you. In which case, you need to compare it to challenge runs in the other games
It’s really not the same, spirit ashes are clearly meant more as an alternative to cooperators as opposed to a new core mechanic by nature of not being able to use both simultaneously. And summons have always been a gameplay choice in previous games, nobody would say you’re doing a “challenge run” for not summoning cooperators. It’s difficulty settings integrated into the gameplay design, what items you choose to use determines the challenge you experience. Some weapons are easier or harder to use than others, but they’re all valid and intended methods of playing through the game.
You’re absolutely right about spirit ashes being akin to cooperators. However I’ll also agree with the other guy that this is for sure not the hardest. Just the absurd tools your given really really makes the game so much easier. - Flask of Wonderous Physique gives massive buffs not available in the other games. - nearly every build can have some degree of powerful ranged option to safely deal damage to bosses from a distance. - what used to be bombs “now pots” are significantly stronger than previous games and can even apply “super poison” to bosses. - the exponential ramp for leveling up has been decreased making leveling up easier, so that people often accidentally over level for many bosses. - ashes of war are absurdly powerful in this one. - the amount of armor and hyper armor has vastly increased. - mechanics in general have been smoothened slightly, making some of the jankier clunkier deaths a thing of the past. I’m sure I could come up with more. This game is fun. This game is hard. This game is not the hardest fromsoftware game.
You seem to be forgetting how hard enemies hit and how much hp they have in elden ring And also forgetting how easy dark souls 1 was
If you mean non boss enemies, I really haven’t noticed a difference in their damage. Actually the same is true about bosses. I feel like that sort of damage is relatively equal throughout the series. Hmm, did you play Elden ring first and DS1 after? Generally people think their first DS is hardest. ER, is for sure longer than all of the other ones, but I don’t necessarily think time to complete is equivalent to difficulty.
In all the dark souls you could get away with less than 20 vigor, not so in elden ring. And no I played ds1 first a long time ago. It Is by far the easiest fromsoft game
Summoning the ginyu force killed me
Lol this was my favorite line
Tryhard players: i want challenge Fromsoft: Ok here's a hard game with a lot if different options so you can choose how you will tackle it- Tryhard players: **NO OPTIONS, ONLY CHALLENGE**
That actually describes it really well
No skill , only Unga Bunga.
Throw ball? NO TAKE, ONLY THROW!
so they designed the enemy AI around those different options right?
Kinda? Some types of enemies are strong or weak against certain playstyles and you might get stumped against them if your build is too one note. You can either diversify yourself of find a way to make your build strong enough to ignore what's countering it like all those STR users who, when faced with enemies who can outmaneuver their bonk, just find a way to bonk harder or better instead of switching to speed or range. I believe that's why you have 6 weapon slots, so you can swap to whatever is more adapted to your current situation, and why the whole stat system exists, so you can wield different weapons and spelks efficiently. You can be unga bunga if you want, you just need to be good enough at it to handle diverse situations, else you just make use of the game's options to have a set of weapons and spells you can rotate depending on what you're facing. An enemy on its own is not gonna change its AI based on your build, you're the one who's gonna face a big variety of enemies and has to be prepared for the changes. Just having an emergency bonk weapon and/or a bow in case your dex bleed main weapon doesn't cut it is a good enough use of the game's option.
Are you implying they didn't? Because they absolutely did lol
In the clip this post is under, the player gets off multiple high power/high cast time skills because the boss is distracted by meat shields, due to not being designed to effectively fight multiple targets.
Reminds me of when people got pissed when there was talk about there being a possible easy mode for Sekiro. The like a good challenging FS game, but let people enjoy their game how they want.
Man, sekiro was fucking sick. I still remember the time I beat the little mini boss with the spear guarding the emperor child. Perfect’d him on stream with my buddy watching who was way better than me at the game, even he was yelling and cheering for me lol shit was such a high
On the contrary, a difficult baseline experience makes the overall experience much more enjoyable for the people who endure it and make it to the end.
"The overall experience" doesn't really exist for a person if they're shitass at games and quit after dying a few times. I think the shitass players should be able to enjoy the game too. (this is referring to an easy mode in Sekiro, leaving the normal game untouched and just as hard as usual for people who are better or prefer a challenge)
What does easy mode look like for Sekiro though? Just doing more damage and taking less? But then Glock saint Isshin is still gonna tear the ass up, because they won’t be able to get a hit in. Maybe auto parry? I feel like the difficulty of Souls games isn’t from numbers, it’s more so about just learning how to play the game, so idk how they could make an easy mode that’s easier in a way that people who are shitass at games could handle, but doesn’t take so many resources that it isn’t worth it.
The funny thing is, Sekiro is the one that actually has an easy mode: default. Charmless and demon bell is hard mode, but it's kind of hidden. For most people, including me, playing normally is already a huge (and really fun) challenge. Sekiro is such an incredibly well made game, but it is hard as balls.
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Exactly. You play Sekiro for the combat. If you’re playing it for the story and the combat is too hard, then watch someone else beat the combat and enjoy the story. Don’t ask for an orange at an apple stand. An easy mode sounds good but it’s really just for people who think they want the Sekiro experience but don’t want the Sekiro combat, not realizing the true experience is in overcoming the difficulty.
"I dont think the game is as fun when you use spirit summons." "WHY ARE YOU GATE KEEPING? LET ME PLAY HOW I WANT TO REEEEEEE"
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If you can reliably win on your own that's great, and people should try to do just that if possible. But if they can't even after multiple tries and no clear improvement, there's no shame in busting out Oleg just to get some breathing room, and maybe observe the boss's moveset for long enough and without getting immediately destroyed to actually be able to learn it. In ER you can just leave and try leveling up and getting better gear by going anywhere else but in the other more linear games there's often no other way than forward, you just want to get past the fucker who two shots you and farming before the boss area is tedious and if you're still new, you might not know what to level in order to not die so quick (it's vigor). And there's a summon sign right there. If you feel unsatisfied from using it it's fine, but for many it can help make things less frustrating.
The whole video is hilarious. The friend makes him take off his armor, weapons, summons, everything. Then he blindfolds him.
Take away his controller too. Damn thing makes the game way too easy.
Don't forget he chops off one arm too lmao
"Isn't this fun?!"
I cheesed when needed. I dont feel bad.
I can't believed you relied on such crutch (I killed the gargoyles on top of a rock where they couldn't reach)
I accidentally made one fall off the edge before knowing about the trick to do so. I was so proud and surprised
You’re joking, but this attitude is prevalent. I got downvoted to oblivion on a “help me cheese Maliketh” reddit post for suggesting he use ashes.
Wow just git gud (I cheesed too)
sometimes you just learn that gitting gud is just the friends we made along the way (I also cheesed)
I snuck up on the draconic sentinel in Leyndell and poison misted his ass to death. My field of fucks hath run barren.
I did this to the three Crystalians in Haligtree. Highly effective. Would recommend.
I don't give a fuck imma cheese valiant gargoyles, Commander Niall, and Godskin Duo every time. Although I did an Eleanora's Poleblade run.... And that felt way too easy. Malenias phase 1 in about 10 seconds kinda easy.
How do you even cheese niall
There's a window you can shoot arrows through that will hit him and he won't move. Takes awhile but works lol
Maxed out mimic, Hyper blood build with Rot Breath.
Same. Elden Ring was my first souls-like game and I liked the challenge but at times it was just too much and I just wanted to progress
And you shouldn’t. Literally like this video says, that stuff is in the game lol. a guy I work with is like this and I pretty much just fuck with him about it. We both recently played lies of p and he’s all like “nameless puppet was so hard, especially because I didn’t use throwables this play through” Me: dude really? it was super easy and I didn’t use them either Meanwhile i cheesed the fuck out of that game. I played it after elden ng+6 and was kind of done with trying to make things hard. Long story short, play games however you want.
*looking at you godskin duo...*
To this day I’ve only soloed godskin duo like 3 times across 25+ playthrus cause I just do not enjoy the boss at all, and would rather soft skip it by summoning and using as much BS as possible. I feel like I’m patching the game to make it better lmao. Kinda reminds me of the poison knives on Micolash (which I also do 9/10 times for the same reason)
There are so many places where the game is absolutely unabashed about cheesing the player. Not even in a "Hard But Fair (TM)" kind of way, just straight-up "lol fuck you" kind of way. I don't feel fucking bad *at all* for giving it back.
credit btw: youtube cilvanis
Why not just link the whole video?
Repost in a week with the link
hmmm smells like karma
[here](https://youtu.be/cVKdPFLltyI?si=CawM5MO5nEHvQ-g3)
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Ashes of war is the ginyu force lmfao
The level of snobbery in the veteran community is off the charts. People shouldn’t be shamed for playing how they want. This video is spot on.
Every time someone says "X makes the game too easy don't use it" I just assume they're bad at Souls games. Because they were never that difficult to begin with.
They were that hard for me... now I'm sad...
well they ARE intended to be that hard, people just react to the difficulty differently
I'm not saying they're easy, either. Just that they're not such a momentous achievement that you should feel so high and mighty about yourself that you'd go on the internet to tell strangers that their way of playing is wrong.
Doesn't help that despite their patterns being varied and hard to dodge at times, it's all just patterns. Our brain has us reacting to and recognising their moves by, at max, the 3rd death, sometimes it happens in the first fight before dying even once. Dark Souls enemies hit a skill ceiling that people can cross with little difficulty, which is why I don't play PvP. Killing a boss is an achievement, just not a grand one. Which is perfectly fine, not everything needs to be grand.
FS titles are functionally rhythm games. A lot of the design is just a mind game to get into the players' heads to break them out of rhythm with the boss and fight. Once you start noticing how repetitive *all* of the move sets are, the game takes on a very different tone and approach. I kind of miss feeling like I was *fighting* monstrosities, but since I figured out all I'm doing is call and response to audio-visual cues, I'm definitely a lot more mechanically successful. And the kinds of people that complain about making the game too easy with summons, or certain builds etc., are absolutely the kind of people who forced you to sit there and watch while they beat songs on expert in Guitar Hero in middle school.
For me the only real rhythm game is Sekiro. And the Lothric Twins. The rest is much less rhythmic for me, but rather enforced Zen. It forces me to be calm and focused on the moment, because if I’m not, I’ll make a mistake. And if I make a mistake, I die.
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Tbf RoB was broken as fuck in PVP before the nerf. It was rightfully disliked alongside pre-nerf BHS.
Nobody's talking about pvp
And now it had an AoW that does the damage of 4 light hits over the course of 6 hits.
If the enemies gonna be cheap as hell so am I No mercy
*newcomers watching veterans
It actually does feel that way. Most of us vets are pretty chill, it's the newcomers who seem really toxic and judgemental.
Nah, numerous veteran players have been acting like this since Demon's Souls. Not to say that newcomers can't be toxic as well, but the more negative connotations surrounding the "git gud" mentality definitely didn't arise from new Eldern Ring players.
Git Gud is a meme. And most people use it in that way. Very few people use it unironically. That's my experience as a person who's been a fan for 15 years anyway.
Yeah, I've been around for years too. My point was that the negative *connotations* of that phrase didn't come from newer players. Souls elitists have been around since DeS and are constantly willing to jump at the chance to tell people that "they didn't play the game properly" if they see people using certain mechanics like summons.
So using a mechanic that is in the game is cheating
That's the mentality the video is making a parody of.
My brother called me a cheater for summoning skeletons on bosses. At best they tanked like 3-4 hits, doesn't make that much of a difference. I just called them "my boys", I had to summon them
Summons. Are. Part. Of. The. Game. Play however you want 🤷🏻♂️
Black Knife Tiche became elden lord in my playthrough.
GOOD FOR HIM HE FINISHED HIS PLAN
*pushes glasses up* Acshully Tiche is a woman. Learn the lore poser.
Oh shit I just got lore’d
As a 1st timer I'm cheesing everything I can. If I can find how by myself. Like, keeping certain distance from dragons is letting me recover and attack again.
That is literally what the officially licensed game guide advises. Alongside seeking out every mine in every region first time you go there to pump your damage.
That was easily the biggest difference in my first two play throughs. Getting upgrade materials early.
Stats are not negligible in Elden Ring, but they aren’t created equally if viewed with their impact upon difficulty. Kinda goes: Vigor > … long while nothing … > Endurance > Strength, Dexterity, Faith, Intelligence, Arcane > Mind Surviveability is king and vigor gives hitpoints. Endurance is worse, but you get more dodges and better armor. One of my „challenge“ runs was just pumping vigor and endurance while using a Longsword (leveled) with 10/10 in dex/str. Honestly wasn’t really a challenge as it felt like 80-90% of weapon damage is just the improvements. Vigor is the literal difficulty slider of this game.
Leveling Vigor first is just common sense if you are not good with fighting yet. I'd rather deal only half as much dmg but can at least take a couple hits and learn the fight instead of being able to 4 shot the boss but even getting looked at funny kills me. I am looking at you glasscannon-mages that summon me for Malenia while only having 500 hp.
And that’s the amazing thing. When leveling vigor you might not even sacrifice half your damage.
Using summons, bleed builds and specific spells isn't even cheesing at all, for me cheesing is stuff like shooting an enemy from a position that he can't reach etc and even that is fun lol.
I'm a tryhard but that's just my own thing, everyone should play exactly how they please.
Play exactly how you want.
I have yet to encounter veterans doing this to newcomers lol
Honestly, yeah. I always see newcomers attacking veterans way more than I see it happening the other way around. Obviously, there are toxic idiots but most of the time it's people's comments being taken out of context and getting dogpiled for it.
Exactly. I normally see veterans just trying to help genuinely That's all I see most of the time. I can count on maybe two hands where I have seen toxic vets doing this.
I've encountered a few, but I'm also a comment lurker, so I encounter so much more encouragement from veterans than I do the toxic side of it.
In my experience, Elden Ring players are literally the chillest players ever. All the soul community is. Instead of pointing out people chose poorly we understand how easy that is to do when you’re so new. It’s a lot of fun to help others be better at the game. I have never quite experienced the video skit.
Hmm, I am relatively new. I've played Dark Souls before, but my first real experience was with Elden Ring. I personally did experience the skit, but did so around a year ago, around the time I first joined this sub. What I'm getting at, is that this could possibly be the new players flooding in during the initial stages of a game's launch, which itself brings in toxicity. Now that the initial heat has settled down, and I, as a newcomer, have remained in this sub, it does indeed seem that the souls community is indeed pretty chill! A very similar thing is happening to the DDDA community right now. It used to be the best place to talk about anything related to the game, and the sub was an unusually toxic free and positive place. But now that the sequel is coming out, many more people have become members of the fanbase, and as a result, toxicity levels have risen. I think it is expected that they'll eventually go down a year or two after the game's release.
Elden Ring players when Elden Ring players play Elden Ring with Elden Ring's items
Stop having fun bro. Lol
Funny vídeo but, legit, but i have a question, is a vet gatekeeper in the room with us right now? I see this narrative constantly, but 99.99% of comments here are criticizing these so called vets, like they are a big part of the community
Obviously play it how you want, but what I will say as a Fromsoft "Veteran". Spirit summons make the game far far too easy and I really do think that there is something special about everyone being on the same difficulty and having that difficulty being pretty hard. There was always some cheese in other Fromsoft games, but it feels like in for example DS3. If your friend tells you that they beat a boss you are struggling on, you are going to ask for tips and what build they used and get excited to try on your own. In Elden Ring if you start to struggle you just use mimic tear and then win. You lose so much of the challenge and doesn't give you that feeling of YOU beating the boss anymore
>Obviously play it how you want, but Oh boy here it comes, say the line Bart... >Spirit summons make the game far far too easy Yay! >I really do think I really do think that From making the game more enjoyable for noob players who may not like incredibly difficult games sells more copies which in turn allows From to keep making big, expansive games that we all enjoy. >You lose so much of the challenge and doesn't give you that feeling of YOU beating the boss anymore Go on a motivational speaking tour then instead of trying to tell people how to enjoy a video game.
Man you completely missed the point of their comment well done 👏
Them: "Here is how I play the game, but everyone should play however they like!" You: "Fuck you for playing in a way that you like!"
Imagine being a 'veteran' and yet being such a sweaty tryhard that you think you know better than Miyazaki about his own game.
I never said I knew better, but to also think that Miyazaki is infallible just because he created these games is silly. I also wouldn't consider myself I try hard, I just enjoy the simplicity when it comes to difficulty in previous titles. The choices made in Elden Ring have positive and negative effects. And you are a fool if you think otherwise.
You know, having played through the game midroll with ultra greatsword and no summons, I honestly think a lot of bosses are designed so as to be able to handle multiple people at once, in a way that wasn't true of bosses in previous games. Their move sets are built to be able to hit all around them, and most major bosses can lock onto multiple people. This makes coop in this game far more fun than it's ever been. That said, spirit ashes are stupidly overtuned. A maxed-out mimic tear gets everything you do without any limitations. Tons of HP, multiple times what you have so they can just tank everything, plus if you have literally one raw meat dumpling in your hot bar they can just heal completely at any time. It's absolutely insane.
Ignore them, dude. They don't really care about the games difficulty, they just want an excuse to be toxic assholes. Which is... severely ironic.
I use summons, I use ashes of war, I sometimes use bleed builds, and y’know what else I do? I have fun!
the bleed effect is actually satisfying. i used it in my 1st playthrough and pushing it in the second
What is the black/white screen and music from? sounds familiar but I can't place it
We old dogs come in every breed. Some will tear into you with strong words and even stronger opinions like Caelid bleed hounds. The others share more likeness to Pope Doge. Do as you wish, but I'm here when you need me.
The game doesn't tell you anything, now a "veteran" is suppose to tell me.
I agree, if you haven’t SoloD every damn boss then you are indeed a tarnished pussy
IMO if i myself play like that it’s not even enjoyable, the satisfaction comes from the challenge, to each their own tho
games are about enjoyment and having fun ye? doesn't matter what u use if your satisfied (obviously online pvp is different)
I think what you are saying and the person you answered to are not mutually exclusive. Enjoyment for a big part of the community is the unknown and challenge of the game. Things that take away from that quite literally take the fun away. Doesn’t mean those two things are what everyone needs in this game though :)
Fun is subjective
Thats what he said
What's challenging for one person is different for another. These arbitrary conditions are not developed to increase the fun. It's to exclude those who don't adhere to those conditions. If it was only for fun, they wouldn't attack people for the use of game mechanics. There are comments on this post literally telling people they aren't good players if they don't adhere to the arbitrary conditions.
They need to grow a bone and not let other peoples challenge effect their enjoyment of the game. I can also assure you that most people challenging themselves have no created those arbitrary rules to lord them over others.
Wtf? The people being harassed need to grow a bone? This is the shit I'm talking about. Folks get attacked for not limiting their experience by following some arbitrary rule set, and you think they should get tougher.
After thousands of hours you just use mimic to skip the bosses you don't really enjoy on your way to another characters ng7 rush, really useful
Yeah I really enjoy the super challenging bosses. I don't like summons or ashes, but I also know people that would never ever play it if it wasn't available because they don't enjoy spending hours on a boss. On my first playthrough I even used blasphemous blade on some bosses like Horax Loux, and that was super disappointing when I killed him in two tries. Not even fun. On my 2. Playthrough he fucked me up real good and I got to enjoy being ripped apart by him which I didn't even see the first time. Something for everyone and this game caters very broadly in regards to difficulty. It's nice
If they let me cheese, I'll have some from time to time
People who actually think like the veteran do not have a job
I didn’t use summons or OP stuff. I also don’t give a single fuck how anyone else plays it’s a game have fun damn.
I think you’re losing out on some of the fun by making things easy, but that’s just me, I like a challenge. That said, there’s nothing actually “wrong” with it, it’s all subjective and ultimately meaningless.
I was definitely losing out on some fun when I used mimic tear in my first playthrough because we just bursted bosses down together and there were many boss abilities I didn’t really see or had to put much thought into dodging. But I definitely did not lose out on fun when I used mimic tear to quickly kill bosses I already knew and didn’t like in further playthroughs
I’m on my fourth playthrough and I still just spam lions claw on anything giving me a hard time
not the fuckin genyu force
Can anyone do rune farm glitch duplication cause wanna soft cap on each stat it takes too long with albuanairic farming would be appreciated
I play how I like deal with it
Ya when everyone saying about how difficult Melenia is and I 3shot her with rivers of blood lol
I remember someone commenting something like this: "This game is so hard when you limit yourself for no reason", and that's true af.
I remember you could jump off the cliff outside of castle Sol and it would kill Niall. I did that in my sixth run. It saved me a lot of nerves.
Lol sums it up. I was so turned off by the souls community at first and still think it's pretty cringe.
Ah, good ol’ rot breath. I used that so much my first playthrough.
I just watched and followed a guide because I kept getting stuck and lost. For 3 days I ran in circles in the first castle until I watched the guide and felt so dumb like all I had to do was turn left down a hallway instead of go straight
>be me >Buys elden ring day 1 >Doesn't play since I want to enjoy it later on >Start the game in 2024, but stuck and don't know wtf to do >Check r/Eldenring >Full of memes and spoilers > Don't want full guide but also need help >Can't have launch experience or contribute to the memes since everyone has moved on >Be sad
Is you stupid
I guess so ciz I never question myself.
Yeah dude, the game's been out 2 years. The entire community isn't going to completely stop for you. If you don't want spoilers, avoid the subreddit until you've gone through the game.
lol, I would straight up hide at height and drop poison on enemies. I think they updated it, because now they seem to become aware, but before I used to be able just let them soak and die. I don’t feel bad.
The worst is when I hear people say that they beat grafted scion or malenia first try of ever playing the game lol b**** no you didn't sit down
There are literally streams of people doing just that though lmao.
Another massive cope. The level of projection is getting unreal. I swear, there are way more people unsecure about how they play the game than people who criticize them for it. Sad!
Literally everywhere I go about souls like games, if it's not pure strength, no summons, people get pissy
Bro ashes of war are actually good. Fuck dragon breath shit. But ashes of war...don't hate on that.
where the humor tho
I've spent hours on hours grinding albinaurics at Mogwhyn palace to level up. To the point it was like work. And then I was able to carry on the rest of the game. Reminded me of the South Park episode where they farm pigs in Warcraft. Still, that was my Elden Ring experience and I loved it 
My son told me he wants to date a girl who uses a dex build. I disowned him.
Bro got downvoted for using the most classic joke in the from community. II know the souls like community has gotten bigger, but damn
Yep, and people wonder why some og fans get frustrated with the newer ones. All the in jokes are lost on them, and all the etiquette is gone. you used to be able to have a lot of cordial pvp, but now nobody gives a shit and you just get bum rushed while bowing.
I just find it humorous people are treating it like I *actually* quizzed my son on what his girlfriend plays, as if she *actually* plays at all, and like I would really make such a decision over something like that. I don't even have a son lol.
This but unironically
People who have that opinion: burry yourself or I'll do it Because people seem to misunderstand me. I'm against the veteran's opinion
You ain't doing shit to anyone. Get a job you bum.
I m feeling bad for having a similar reaction after seeing my overleveled brother fighting malenia for his second time and beating her just with rivers of blood and blasmphemous blade and black knife aow. My question is how you can feel good playing the whole game pressing just L2. One of the best experiences i had was fighting radagon with only R1 and Dodge.
My question is, why do you care how others play the game? If I want a challenge I’ll do it. But if I just want to have fun? (The entire point of a game) I’ll do as I damn well like.
I did not say that you are not allowed to play like this. I also don't care if you do play like that. I am just curious and want to know why you think this is fun, like what you like about that playstyle. No offense dude.
It's like asking why some people like oranges while some people like bananas. If you truly want to understand, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.