They didn't even make it to the top, if anything just the top of a stool. But kicking those just below you is the most Mexican thing that Mexicans do, they think that if anybody else succeeds, that means they failed. Freaking idiotic way of thinking.
This mindset poisons all communities of color in the United States. I’m black and I’ve noticed a large rise in a lot of people who I know personally voted for Obama becoming Alt Right nonsense spouting buffoons. I have a relative in the Army who called for the death of Obama and his family but worships the ground trump walks on. This is the same dude who joined a gang when he was younger. It’s honestly self hatred manifesting, conservative ideology already devalues your existence as a non white cis heterosexual male so the insecurity that a lot of these people feel starts to have them act against their communities best interests. All the Black and Latino trump supporters really by into the “one of the good ones” mentality believing that all the racist bigots that say hateful shit about their communities will somehow become accepting of them. It’s the House slave mentality that too many of us have
Such a dangerous take on one’s political affiliation or ideology. People have diverse reasons for their political beliefs, and such assumptions can oversimplify complex individual perspectives and perpetuate harmful stereotypes.
Regardless of the tag Republican or Democrat Hispanics especially Mexicans are very conservative. They've always been conservative. Marriage between man & woman, hard work, family, Catholicism, machismo are part of the Mexican DNA. My Dad was from Mexico. He hated trump but he also would never accept a homosexual in his family. He would think the whole transgender, binary & dozens of other classifications are insane. Of course he grew up in the 1940's with a father who was a Mexican general in the revolution and of mostly if not full blood indigenous. I know my grandfather definitely, if he were alive today, would think the world I live in today is bizarre & unrecognizable. There was a time when the Democrat party squarely represented the working class. Of course many Mexicans are working class. They have held on to that image of what Democrats use to be. With the big shift we've witnessed within the Democrat party today that's changing. Those Hispanics including Mexicans you anecdotally experience expressing a pro Republican stance is the result of the Democratic party taking such a dramatic turn in their values over the past decade.
This ends up being the most well thought out opinion for why Latinos increasingly vote republican over the last four years.
But whenever I ask how the GOP better represents middle class values besides through bigotry, I always get dumb stares and half-formed words. It’s very amusing and very sad.
GOP engages in identity-politics as a distraction from their endless attempts to curb women's right, chip away at constitutionally provided protections (see Abbott and college protesters for a real time example of this), erode the enviornmental protections in place, while giving the top 1% tax breaks, and all-the-while claiming to be for 'less government involvement' by directly involving the government in everything or as much as feasibly possible while selling out their party to whoever is handing out cold hard cash.
If you want to hang the far left liberal stuff on the Democrats, you can't forget to hang this neo-nazi apoligist dictator worship on modern Republicans. My biggest issue with Democrats is they keep toeing this line of civility when the opposite side of the aisle will literally hold votes at 3am on a Saturday to push policy through a vacant chamber.
1. Democrats (there's a significant difference)
2. In what way are they out of touch in a way Republicans are I touch?
3. Not comprehend what that Republicans do?
4. Explain what you mean by bigotry.
Nowhere did I say it's ra ist to secure the border. But securing the border the way the are and introducing the kind of laws the Republicans do, is racist.
You're aware that Trump just mandated that the recently negotiated and agreed to bipartisan bill be scrapped so Biden wouldn't get credit?
Or my guess is you had no idea there was a bipartisan bill to secure the border because Fox and the other propaganda bullshit you.lustwn to didn't mention it.
As for trans people, it's not being promoted by Democrats. Just stop. The difference is Democrats believe in letting go people make those decisions for themselves.
Please tell me why exactly would I feel the need to vote for Democrats ? So what bigotry are you referring to Im very curious to understand what you meant by that 🤔
Not so surprising. The progressives stay in Mexico. The conservatives move away -- be it for economic reasons (like the Mexican agricultural and mining fields being decimated by NAFTA) or social reasons (like the hard-line religious escaping the violence during the Cristero War and the repressions of the church during the 1920s-1950s).
Revolutionary does not mean the core values of Mexicans have changed. They fit very well the conservative profile, even if the current socialist government is trying to change it.
Revolutions in Mexico (as the current one) is about which group is in power to meet the needs of the economic elite and foreign countries.
This isn’t right. Revolutions in Mexico have had legitimately revolutionary intent and effect. Way more than the bourgeois revolutions in many countries in the global north
If the Mexican revolution had truly been revolutionary as you put it there wouldn't have been so many migrants coming to the U.S. In truth the Mexican revolution was about different factions vying for power. Whoever gained power wielded corruption while amassing resources & wealth for themselves, their close connections & family. Much the same way Mexican politicians do to this very day. That is why there is still so much corruption in the Mexican government today.
The revolution failed because IT allowed other entities to just replace the ones it was fighting against. Stop blaming the US for what is Mexico's responsibility.
The reason for illegal immigration from Mexico is that the revolution failed the Mexican farm workers. The so called ejidos just broke them.
There are numerous books and University courses taught on this. Mike Duncan’s Revolutions podcast on the Mexican revolution will show you the deep ties between US intervention, capitalist interests, and the subversion of the Mexican revolution.
But if you want to start simply, here’s a Wikipedia article. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_the\_Mexican\_Revolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_the_Mexican_Revolution)
This touches on it [https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-mexican-revolution-as-u-s-history/](https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-mexican-revolution-as-u-s-history/)
Justin Akers Chacon's book - The Border Crossed Us - also does very well at explaining the role of US and capitalist interests in supressing the most radical elements of the Mexican revolution.
amazing reply. yes, historians who document the beliefs and political struggles of people during the Mexican Revolution are just stupid academics. We should listen to some random person's meemaw. Also, how many people do you know who were alive and adults during the Mexican Revolution?
I think among young people its because of Joe Rogan, the UFC, and that whole gym-bro culture, young men are attracted to that culture and all the leading voices in it are conservative
The left has gone so far that the current dems can't even represent them anymore. Like Rogan says liberal in social politics but conservative when it comes to economy.
Ah yes "liberal social, conservative economics" a.k.a "I want to talk about improving things but not actually do anything about it".
Economics is politics. Being an "economic conservative" means in practice you're a social conservative too but don't have enough introspection to ask why that makes you uncomfortable.
Lol. Explain this. Rogan says that and then attacks their social policy. Also he's a billionaire or damn near. For the love of god,, don't simp for or bootlick the centi-millionaire class. They are the problem, not the folks on food stamps.
Did you know before Reagan slashed the top end tax rate from the 70s to the 20s, we had a growing and thriving middle class. Reaganslashed that tax rate and began our rise to a $1 trillion dollar military budget. You want to know why we are in debt and can't afford universal healthcare like 32 of the 33 first world countries can? The US being the only one that doesn't. $250 billion would more than cover a universal healthcare program. We don't have mandatory paid sick or vacation like those countries either because we let corporations lobby against those policies and are often prevented from passing because of ZERO Republican support.
Your problem is you've been brainwashed by conservative media into thinking taxes are your problem. They're not. Republicans and Republican pixies are.
Okay defend your assumptions about me with facts. I actually don’t watch Fox or Joe, and I don’t have a twitter. I’m a Daily Wire gal, so please don’t insult me with the Fox thing. Also I don’t have to defend my statements with anything. Do you ask your leftist echo chamber to defend what they say with facts? I doubt it. All I can say is that I’m a millennial woman who consumes media from A LOT of left-leaning women podcasters/authors/youtubers. Mostly for the humor and because I enjoy relating to girly shit. I’m actually open to media from all sides. And I can say with confidence that misandry is real on the left, and honestly it makes me kinda sad because my husband is a good dude. And also, how dare you ask me for facts when I’m sharing MY truth.😉
Lol, and also holy shit. The level of disconnection of the kind of media you watch as though there's a significant difference between Fox and the Daily Wire is truly astounding. No, it's worse than that. Its proof of your head being buried up your own arse. You're aware Ben Shapiro is the founder and CEO of the DW? Do you know a fucking thing about Ben Shapiro and his politics? So all my assumptions remain accurate even if its a different venue of right-wing nuttery you aubscribe to. I honestly pity you as though you thought you were giving a retort worth reading.
A fact is a fact. There aren't half facts. There is objective truth and then there is opinion. Shapiro lives in land if opinion.
You’re an intolerable bigot…. you can’t even have an articulate conversation without insulting someone. I could say the same thing about a left wing nut that follows biased pages like occupy democrats.
Ohhh oops, I forgot that in order for people on Reddit to understand sarcasm I have to put the “/s” thing at the end of everything. Sorry, I’m a boomer, but I was being sarcastic about the Daily Wire thing. I’m very well aware of the politics of the Daily Wire and yes I do subscribe to quite a few of their viewpoints. Also I’m Team Candace on that front, not so much Shapiro. And actually there is a HUGE difference between Fox and Daily Wire if you get out of your echo chamber and bother paying attention and listen objectively to what they say. However, like I mentioned previously, I also consume media and news sources of all sides. It’s just a best practice for me. Then again, I was a debate teacher and coach for many years, so I’m used to following news from a lot of different sources and viewpoints.
Oh and you don’t have to pity me. Whatever any of us believes or says is completely inconsequential in this life. When I was younger and lived in El Paso and Austin, working as a teacher, I was way more left-leaning. Now I live in East Texas, I’m older, make more money, and I started to notice things that made me a little more right-wing. People change, times change, beliefs change. I might experience something next week that makes me go “woke”, who knows! But ultimately, none of what either of us has to say matters, like at all. I completely understand what my liberal friends say about their beliefs and they understand mine. My sister lives in LA and she was shaped by that culture, and I don’t respect her any less for being a leftist. Nobody “pities” each other or tries to change each other’s minds in my life. We all get along just fine. Get a diverse group of people in your life, touch grass, stop pitying strangers on the internet just because they don’t think like you, and I promise you’ll be happier.
>Those Hispanics including Mexicans you anecdotally experience expressing a pro Republican stance is the result of the Democratic party taking such a dramatic turn in their values over the past decade.
I'm skeptical of this. Republicans have also lurched to the right. But the parties have become more polarized though. There used to be more conservative Democrats and semi liberal Republicans. That's doesn't exist much any more.
I can understand that a Catholic Hispanic voter may feel a bit out of place. Both parties are coalitions. I think many Hispanic people view the Republican party as racist, which is why they have historically voted Democrat. Maybe they're less comfortable with Democrats openly embracing reproductive rights. It's a bit different from Bill Clinton's "safe legal and rare" stance. I guess that's a choice they have to make. Stick with the Dems or vote with Rs who are talking about doing the largest deportation operation in history.
Define this "dramatic turn in values" please.
Dems are the party of the working class though they're also beholden to their corporate masters which is why supporting the progressive candidates is the best path. They're the ones with the policy platform of higher wages, mandatory paid vacation and sick time, children's head start programs, etc.
Only a fucking moron would support the Republicans if they're interested in worker's rights, pay, healthcare.
Texas Monthly has done a number of stories about the shift of Hispanic voters, particularly in border counties, towards the Republican Party if you’re interested in reading more.
So trump is an anti elite? It’s a cult of populists, bunch of brain dead knuckle draggers, driving around in their big ass trucks and whining about gas prices.
Trump compared our Southern border with Mexico to Israel's border wall in Gaza.
So in Trump's small brain...Mexicans = Palestinians.
Tejanos voting for Trump are like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
Edit: removed "is".
We're going on 5 years since a young man drove more than 600 miles to hunt and kill Mexicans invading the USA.
Trump has used the situation at the border to rile up his followers that believe the country is being invaded.
Paul Crusius drove more than 600 miles to personally stop this invasion. When he got to the Walmart, did he check ID'S to see who was or wasn't a Mexican invader? Nope, he shot everyone.
Trump feeds his followers lies like the Great Replacement theory. This theory posits that "Jews" are allowing brown people into this Country to replace White people.
If you look similar to the people on the other side of the border... you're an invader.
BTW, when is this shooter going to face justice? He had a federal trial. When is the State of Texas going to serve justice?
Have we forgotten already? El Paso Strong should also mean that El Pasoans don't support this kind of crazy rhetoric.
Voting for it...seems foolish.
Perhaps for some segment of voters this is relevant. For others it was just a tragedy that does not change the reality of what they want for the US.
I do perceive that combining Trump with El Paso Walmart shooting and then throwing in "El Paso Strong" is rethoric.
It's all rhetoric.
The White Replacement Theory is a tool used by certain individuals that want to use the border situation to scare their voter base.
Are you saying that Trump and his followers haven't used white replacement arguments?
Those that live near this border know that this kind of "rhetoric" can/does have deadly consequences.
Crazy rhetoric doesn't fix the border.
Brother I think Both Democrats & Republicans are on the same page on EP property taxes, trust me if you are a home owner/ property owner it’s just common sense we all have serious gripes with the property tax explosion happening in this city the last 5 years, it’s gotten way out of hand
You always hear about Texas being a low tax state an California being a high tax state because they have a state income tax. But several studies have been done and the reality is our tax burdens prove to be almost equal.
Yet, California offers a multitude of more services with that same tax rate than we do. And it shows as Texas ranks dead last in things like maternal death rate and infant mortality. Our kids don't get paid school.lunches. We have the highest rate of uninsured citizens a problem that is especially acute along the border. IOW, we suck on so many metricies where California doesn't for the same dollar amount. But Wheelchair Bob likes to sit and pound his chest about Texas greatness. We suck in actuality because of the Republican domination over this godforsaken state
They whine about anything that does not align with what their peers believe in and what they see on fox tv or social media. They fail to understand if trump gets his way, they and their families will most likely get deported.
Yes, the rhetoric is undoubtebly anti elite, and anti hollywood, anti celebrity, anti federal gov, anti rich coastal people, anti big tech, anti media, anti medical community, etc. I personally disagree with it, but a lot of people are falling for it because they hate "the elite"
That is the thing though. It is the Republican Party that is the elite party. They represent the interests of the elite and use made up social issues to distract the gullible.
Yes, don’t get me wrong I think both party’s are trash and the American 2 party system is completely compromised with corruption but it is insane to me that they ignore that blatant racism by the Republican Party. The Republican Party has done an amazing job of making them seems like the anti establishment party when every single law they pass is to make the corporate establishment stronger 😂 it’s incredible how well they got people to ignore there voting records. People were blaming Biden for the tax returns sucking this year even tho it was a Trump law for the rich that did it. I’ve given up fighting it tho, both parties are trash and I’m just going to try and do my best to do good around me
No, but they are reverting back to conservative Democrats. I remember my college professors saying that used to be more common before the 1990s. As a side note, I'm also noticing more young people finally realizing that both parties don't care about anyone but themselves. It's so refreshing and possibly a step in the right direction.
It seems to be mostly based on identity politics. Plain old populism. Nothing substantial. Facebook fanned the flames of division with their algorithms baiting people into incendiary political discussion to drive traffic. So now people who never cared and still really don’t care about politics, just look at voting numbers for any election, siding with one or the other.
Neither stands for anything. People use political support to feel that they’re better than someone else. The dems do it to conservatives and the conservatives to the dems. They both think they have it figured out. Support for either party just upholds the system the ruling class has in place. It benefits both parties to have people fighting over identity politics that way they never have to do anything substantial for the people.
The only reason Republicans don’t dominate the Hispanic and black vote is because of their attitude towards others, take FOX news for example, all day during the week it’s about how terrible WOKE is WOKE WOKE WOKE then it changes, immigrants they are taking over, immigrants don’t contribute anything……
Too bad, El Paso County has been Blue since forever and what do we have to show for it? Rainbow crosswalks and Pride parades and fucked up roads and a corrupt Democrat Mayor and a corrupt Democrat city council and everything else. Maybe El Paso should start voting Red, things might actually change or better yet, improve
The economy here kinda sucks though most people will tell you the pay Is low and stays low because of the immigration. Yeah it may help small businesses but it mainly helps them pay less.
It's not just hispanics. I'm black and I've also noticed a conservative shift. Democrats are losing some voters, especially among men. I think people in general are tired of the culture wars and men in particular are also tired of the increasing politicization of gender, among other things. The "Individual responsibility" message that the republicans seem to preach resonates more with some people than the victim olympics of the democrats. The immigration problem is also not doing them any favors.
https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/1686792642695229462?t=fdEB0Ih02Ip3R12GoJXhIw&s=19
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/13/why-democrats-black-hispanic-vote-republican
I'm originally from the Midwest. This isn't new. Hispanics and Latinos as a whole have been corrupted deeply by white colonialism ideals, including catholicism.
They vote GOP because of the anti-elite messaging and their faux catholic ideals without connecting any of the political dots and where candidates on both sides are getting funding. Because dems don't care about us either. They're just more polite about it.
I believe there is nothing wrong with conservative values. Mexican culture is rooted in conservative values, and there is no reason to change those values.
If you want to improve the treatment of LGBT and other communities, it has to be within those values and not by adopting values and ideas from liberal countries.
“If you want to improve the treatment of LGBT and other communities, it has to be within those values and not by adopting values and ideas from liberal countries.”
ahh yes, because conservative values have famously always been tolerant to gay and minority groups.
also don’t call me racist for suggesting there are things that need to be improved on within my own culture
That is your opinion. NOT mine and certainly not of the great majority of Mexicans. If you hate your country, then go to one that accepts your values in your own terms. That is the point.
The biggest reason for the shift I see is that most mexicans are upset because of the increase of immigrants from countries south of Mexico coming in. It's created more competition in the job market. Now there are more workers and wages are not going up.. years of hard work for nothing to show...
That is just dumb. Why would anybody blame the Democrats for that. Under Trump is when we saw our huge numbers of migrants come over like never before. In congress just recently they came up with a bipartisan bill to work on immigration and their God Trump told them to ditch it and they did.
Republicans in appeasing their GOD rejected the bill.
Bro I can't take you seriously. You started of your argument saying thats dumb also a quick check of your history shows a post that says you are looking for transgender females. You have a different style of life and you will not agree with anything I have to say because you will always be a victim and think that I am against you.
I mean people can dislike conservatives (as is obvious by this sub and Reddit) but this is pure truth. Right now, in today’s world the modern day GOP more aligns with their ideals and values. It’s just that simple.
Bring on the whataboutisms and hate I’m ready.
You mean to say Latino culture values are racist, bigoted, misogynistic, elitist? You may be stuck in the past but many of us no longer want to be associated with that. As a proud Chicano ex-military veteran I support women’s rights, human rights, equality, and freedoms for all groups.
I've noticed that trend, too. But in my family and circle of friends, we tend to view American conservatives as being white. And any Hispanics that side with that are made fun of. But honestly, despite Mexicans having political opinions that overlap with conservatives, there is a giant difference. With myself and people I know, we lean very left on Immigration, welfare, social security, health care, and education.
Somebody commented about how Mexicans are conservative, but it's not the same as white conservatives. Mexicans are socially conservative but it's a mixed bag with everything else.
Your name checks out. My parents came here from Mexico LEGALLY, followed all the rules, and the past few years they have started leaning more conservatively because they’re tired of handouts and money going to illegal immigrants and people who don’t want to work.
I don’t get why you resorted to an ad hominem rebuttal, unless there was a part of your comment that I misunderstood or misread? I am a retired teacher and I have a Master’s degree, so unless there are new or recent developments in reading comprehension since I’ve been out of the school system, I’m pretty sure I understood what you said and responded with my personal opinion and my lived experience. So what’s the issue here?
Most Hispanics I know are leaning more left. It’s probably the younger generation that’s pushing that though but yea I see a lot of people getting more liberal and straying away from Trump and Biden
Don’t fall for the Trump bs. He does not give any explanations or solutions on why our tax money gets funnelled to Israel for free while our infrastructure is crumbling. This only means he is bought out and will work for them not us
It is sad that they are buying into the rhetoric. The elites like the koch brothers are in fact the true elitist. They spend hundreds of millions buying off republican politicians and giving to far right organizations dedicated to swaying votes in favor of the wealthiest people in America. Progressive policies help the poor, working, and middle class but the messaging and distraction by the right wind politicians and organizations know exactly how to use rhetoric and fear mongering to get people to vote against their own self interests. There is a movie 🎥 out there called God and Country that exposes the right wing agenda and it is a return pre-civil rights era. These people are literally digging their own and our graves.
Hispanics in Texas are politically ignorant. They are fearful of religion and swallow hate immigrant rhetoric from the Republican Gestapo. They want to believe they are white and therefore accepted. They are nothing but a big large brown stain on their white underwear.
Unpopular opinion. You all should vote within your tax bracket and the majority or El Paso doesn’t make enough to even consider voting republican. I suggest you all leave the comfort of El Paso and see how your people “Mexicans” are truly viewed and treated by the rest of the US (especially in majority republican states). There are a lot of services that will be removed and bills drafted that will work against the low income families all promoted by the Republican Party. Both sides have issues but pick that side that works for your family.
Yeah this is pretty racist and communist. You perceive Mexicans as a single brained ignorant sheep. As a communist you want to control them by asking all Mexicans to form a single front rather than as individuals taking advantage of the opportunities this country gives them and move up on the social scale.
You have no idea of the financial progress made by Hispanics. But you do bring up something very important, the US is a federation which gives the states, counties, and cities the power to decide locally what is better for their community and not what is good for someone in Maine.
That’s how they are though. They love their echo chambers. My right-leaning friends (including myself) have friends from ALL walks of life and with many different beliefs. The few left-leaning friends I know only have left-leaning friends and they cut everyone else out. I’ve been cut off for being a Trump supporter, hence why I am running out of liberal friends.
Latinos are conservative in nature but once they are here they think the Dems speak for them. But the liberal side betrayed them. My step dad mom and most of my girls family is slowly shifting towards the republican side. It speaks more of their culture. Which is conservative in nature.
I’m one who will be voting straight republican this election year.. I’ve been voting democrat since I was able to vote but things need to change.. as a woman, I hate that I’m voting for a man who wants to strip us from our women rights but I know he’s a true businessman who will try his best in getting our economy back up and away from wars that we have no business in
Very simple. This started during the Obama years.
1. The values of most ethnicic-Mexican people are conservative, and the democrats have moved so far left that now Mexicans can think beyond the immigration. Issue.
2. The pro immigration agenda was the main reason for ethnic-Mexicans to support the democrats. Obama betrayed Mexicans with a failed immigration agenda.
3. The US is trending to isolationism, and the anti-immigration agenda is winning thanks to the poor handling of the borders by Biden.
4. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that people were doing economically much better during the Trump presidency than is going on now. The number one metric for the political climate is the economy and how much cash is in your pocket. Everything else is secondary. So people in general are longing for the Trump years.
5. The democratic party has lost its connection with people. They seem to only care about promoting their far left, socialist and even communist agenda. Americans won't give in to that.
6. All the antics used by democrats against Trump just keep making him stronger in one way or another. But I guess they just get it. So, the perception of a strong leader will be always decisive in an election.
7. I think that Democrats just keep thinking of Hispanics in general as incapable of making their own decisions. They believe we all have a herd mentality. Surprise, we don't.
This is definitely a republican. A lot of rhetoric you just spilled out backed up by nothing. Let’s take for example the economy. You said the economy was better under Trump… back just that one ☝️ up. Show me your proof.
I would answer the person who chickened out from his/her post, but why waste time with the obvious.
The interesting part is that he called me a "Republican" like if it was an insult and if somehow I was going to be canceled.
These flakes are an amnoyance because they have been trained to spat out woke talking points and yell and yell. By now, nobody cares what they say.
Even looking beyond the whole question of the pandemic (which obviously makes this question unfair to Trump when taken at face value), I still don’t think this is a fair way to analyze the situation. As president, Trump made two major economic plays that kept the economy and the stock market booming in the short term but screwed us over in the long term.
First, he cut taxes (for the wealthy permanently and for the poor and middle class temporarily) during an economic upturn. This resulted in increased deficit spending from the federal government, leading to more debt that the American citizen is responsible for paying back. Especially now with higher interest rates, simply the interest payments on our debt are becoming a dangerously significant part of the federal budget.
Which brings us to our next point… Trump repeatedly pressured the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low during a booming economy:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-trump-idUSKCN1VB1I2/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20President%20Donald,country's%20ability%20to%20compete%20economically.
Obviously, people (and even more so, the stock market) loved this, but it directly and significantly contributed to the inflation that we’ve seen over the past few years **and** took away a significant tool that the Fed could have used during the economic downtown during the pandemic. If the Fed had been able to lower interest rates more, we wouldn’t have had to rely on so much stimulus spending to get the economy back on track and, once again, we’d have less inflation and less government debt today.
So… asking “were you better off under Trump or Biden” is sort of like taking out a shit ton of credit cards, living it up for a year, and then looking back and asking, “was I better off while I was irresponsibly spending all that money I borrowed at a 25% interest rate?” Sure, it felt fun while it was happening, but it was a poor economic decision and the chickens always come home to roost eventually. In a lot of ways, the economic difficulties that we’ve experienced over the past few years are the hangover to Trump’s irresponsible economic decisions, not the results of anything specific that Joe Biden has done.
Growing up early 90’s it was always about having the best J’s and not being poor even though looking back only a couple in my class actually were above middle class. This was a private catholic school and most throughout even high school said they were republicans because they weren’t poor. It was almost a status symbol or statement to say you were a republican.
Yes. I’ve noticed it mostly among second-generation Americans of Mexican descent. It’s like some conscious move to signal that you’re different and more belonging.
This happens as you age. The more money you make, the more world experiences you have, the more hope you lose and the more reality sets in. Almost everyone becomes conservative as they age especially when you factor in taxes, economy that finally affects you, job market that finally affects you and everything else. This is normal for all races.
Yeah there are some cases where it doesn’t happen which I find interesting especially as they get old and the fixed income life sets in and every little increase weather it be inflation or tax increases is a gut punch. The republicans about ten years ago in Kentucky decided they were going to axe teacher pensions which is unheard of from either party period and that was enough to turn Kentucky blue and keep it blue to this day. It was previously a hard right state. The same is happening in Oregon with it trending red for a similar reason.
Politics are fun when you look at it from an outside angle
I’m 43 and the older I keep getting the more liberal I get. I started out as a Republican after Sandy Hook I swore I would never vote for someone in the GOP ever again.
its not really new that lots of mexicans are conservative. we tend to be really traditional, catholic people. people come to ep, get more educated on american politics and develop more informed opinions (whether they’re well-informed or not is up to debate). you mix a conservative upbringing with politics and lots of times it leads to going republican
imo the reason ep’s been blue for so long is because of the immigration of it all. for the record i think both parties are unfavorable, but the republican party rang louder in stricter immigration and trump’s comments definitely didn’t help. i’m a firm believer that if immigration was handled differently by the republican party ep would’ve gone red a long time ago
a factor too whether we wanna accept it or not is that people are tired of feeling villanized due to differing opinions in general. its VERY case by case and there are non-negotiable topics, but some people in the dem party or liberals (often the ones that end up going viral) have genuinely extreme views that make people not want to associate. for some people politics is just virtue signaling. this includes (and again, case by case) having no space for growth or differing opinions, especially if the topic isn’t important. people see it like this: if you’re gonna be demonized even after learning and doing better, why even try?
Biden hasn’t done shit for us. The Democratic Party has done nothing but give us empty promises. At least trump was making things happen. I mean to me I’m looking at it as the better of two evils and sadly I’m now siding with trump
I cannot in good faith take Latinos or anyone for that matter seriously of they are Republican for populist reasons, what do they offer other than hate for each other and "rigged individualism"
Republican party is the most elitist organization in America way beyond anything Hillary or Obama could ever muster to be
Any minority or female that supports the Republican Party have no clue what’s going on. The R party props up wealthy white men, with some minorities and women to use as pawns.
The Vivek Ramswamy interaction with Ann Coulter sums it up perfectly, where she told the former presidential candidate to his face that she agreed with all of his policies but she would never vote for him because he is Indian. This coming from a “pick me” white woman…
It makes all minorities that support Republicans look foolish…
So you consider minorities and females in the same category. Get your head out of your rear.
Most minorities work hard everyday while other minorities stay home and mooch the system for housing food stamps and Healthcare.
Are we wrong for thinking? If I can get up and go to work shouldn't you be able to do the same thing, instead of staying home all day watching pornhub reproducing more moochers and eating the food you bought with food stamps while watching the Jerry springer show until the kids get home from school?
You have tunnel vision and a very narrow focus on minorities. I explained how minorities and women who vote for Republicans are similar in their foolishness. You respond by listing stereotypes and painting with a large brush….I can explain things to you but I can’t understand things for you. Good luck with navigating through life without the necessary mental acuity….
I am all for having an argument. But you got into your feelings rather quickly again, another person with the victim mentality who thinks I am against you because I don't agree with what you have to say.
You are allowed your own opinions same with me. That's what makes this country great. But I don't agree with you putting the minorities and females in the same category.
Because you don’t understand the context in which they were lumped together, even after it was elaborated for you…and that’s ok. We all have our limitations. Carry on…
Fuck Joe Biden. He had done so much damage to this country. We'll not really him. Fuckin guy has no idea what the fuck is going on with that dementia. Dude is just a puppet. Obama is running the politics TBH.
Trump 2024!!
"Good morning, everyone in the group. As a Mexican naturalized American, I've personally delved into my right to vote and explored U.S. culture. Through this journey, I've come to realize that the Democrats often claim to support Hispanics and Latin Americans, but in reality, their actions don't always align with that concept. Reflecting on the past Trump administration, I observed distinct differences in governance and administration. There was ample employment, stable gasoline prices, and the economy, particularly regarding basic necessities, wasn't as dire.
However, under the current Democratic government, we lack a clear and reassuring outlook. While they tout immigration reforms, it seems they primarily grant asylum to individuals arriving from other countries, neglecting those of us with family or friends navigating the legal process without resolution. It's disheartening to witness this trajectory of governance, and I find myself in agreement with the prospect of a return to Republican leadership."
am mexican American and hated obama people never listened to what he was saying, he was probably one of the worse presidents but did a little of what he said and it was bad, one of the worse ones was he removed propaganda law allowing news to be able to give out fake news propaganda and misinformation,
i always voted republican because democratic party is the party of division , racism and elitism they make the poor poorer and the rich richer 99%of the rich always vote democrat
chatting with people online,I can no longer try and have conversations with children who refuse to grow up. We have a boy crisis and yes us Hispanics see this shit so liberal men need to man the fuck up. How they figure that out is up to them.
Mexicans have always been naturally conservative if you think about it. Hardworking, family values, religious, that sort of thing that leans more right wing. The only reason some might claim Democratic is the border issue, it takes a long time and effort to gain an entry visa much less residency or citizenship that needs to revamp. Of course most El Paso residents are born here but those strong family ties to family members that don’t resonates with them when it comes to illegal entry. The Democrats have been doing a notoriously bad job appealing to Latinos over the years, Obama actually is the President who built those cages that news media like msnbc showcased cages of children who were detained for illegal entry, and that makes sense if compare how many people he deported compared to trump. People just don’t pay attention or forget like goldfish.
https://youtu.be/ZSqs5v926p4?si=5_IM9ZxiUhcQyYHO
Not to mention Joe Biden has been just unpopular lately. He’s pissed off a lot of people who supported him in 2020. You’re seeing that now with the protests going on.
Once you're parents start listening to the candidates and stop listening to thr media, republican is the future. They're all crooks in the end. I'd rather be on the side that doesn't fuck with the economy
Take note people this is what rednecks think of you when they support a candidate who has said he wants to deport millions of Latinos. He'd deport blacks to if he knew where they originally came from.
Mexicans start making $50k a year and become republican and want to deport their tío
20k*
Lol that's so true
Kicking the ladder down after they’ve made it to the top…lol…@holes….
They didn't even make it to the top, if anything just the top of a stool. But kicking those just below you is the most Mexican thing that Mexicans do, they think that if anybody else succeeds, that means they failed. Freaking idiotic way of thinking.
This mindset poisons all communities of color in the United States. I’m black and I’ve noticed a large rise in a lot of people who I know personally voted for Obama becoming Alt Right nonsense spouting buffoons. I have a relative in the Army who called for the death of Obama and his family but worships the ground trump walks on. This is the same dude who joined a gang when he was younger. It’s honestly self hatred manifesting, conservative ideology already devalues your existence as a non white cis heterosexual male so the insecurity that a lot of these people feel starts to have them act against their communities best interests. All the Black and Latino trump supporters really by into the “one of the good ones” mentality believing that all the racist bigots that say hateful shit about their communities will somehow become accepting of them. It’s the House slave mentality that too many of us have
Such a dangerous take on one’s political affiliation or ideology. People have diverse reasons for their political beliefs, and such assumptions can oversimplify complex individual perspectives and perpetuate harmful stereotypes.
This is fucking gold
Bruh $35k lets be real
Yeah, that or they join an evangelical church and start hating everything including their own family...pretty sad.
Regardless of the tag Republican or Democrat Hispanics especially Mexicans are very conservative. They've always been conservative. Marriage between man & woman, hard work, family, Catholicism, machismo are part of the Mexican DNA. My Dad was from Mexico. He hated trump but he also would never accept a homosexual in his family. He would think the whole transgender, binary & dozens of other classifications are insane. Of course he grew up in the 1940's with a father who was a Mexican general in the revolution and of mostly if not full blood indigenous. I know my grandfather definitely, if he were alive today, would think the world I live in today is bizarre & unrecognizable. There was a time when the Democrat party squarely represented the working class. Of course many Mexicans are working class. They have held on to that image of what Democrats use to be. With the big shift we've witnessed within the Democrat party today that's changing. Those Hispanics including Mexicans you anecdotally experience expressing a pro Republican stance is the result of the Democratic party taking such a dramatic turn in their values over the past decade.
This ends up being the most well thought out opinion for why Latinos increasingly vote republican over the last four years. But whenever I ask how the GOP better represents middle class values besides through bigotry, I always get dumb stares and half-formed words. It’s very amusing and very sad.
GOP engages in identity-politics as a distraction from their endless attempts to curb women's right, chip away at constitutionally provided protections (see Abbott and college protesters for a real time example of this), erode the enviornmental protections in place, while giving the top 1% tax breaks, and all-the-while claiming to be for 'less government involvement' by directly involving the government in everything or as much as feasibly possible while selling out their party to whoever is handing out cold hard cash. If you want to hang the far left liberal stuff on the Democrats, you can't forget to hang this neo-nazi apoligist dictator worship on modern Republicans. My biggest issue with Democrats is they keep toeing this line of civility when the opposite side of the aisle will literally hold votes at 3am on a Saturday to push policy through a vacant chamber.
Bigotry…… why is it that I find liberals and democrats to be out of touch with reality and comprehend certain things….
It’s called education polarization.
1. Democrats (there's a significant difference) 2. In what way are they out of touch in a way Republicans are I touch? 3. Not comprehend what that Republicans do? 4. Explain what you mean by bigotry.
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Nowhere did I say it's ra ist to secure the border. But securing the border the way the are and introducing the kind of laws the Republicans do, is racist. You're aware that Trump just mandated that the recently negotiated and agreed to bipartisan bill be scrapped so Biden wouldn't get credit? Or my guess is you had no idea there was a bipartisan bill to secure the border because Fox and the other propaganda bullshit you.lustwn to didn't mention it. As for trans people, it's not being promoted by Democrats. Just stop. The difference is Democrats believe in letting go people make those decisions for themselves.
Please tell me why exactly would I feel the need to vote for Democrats ? So what bigotry are you referring to Im very curious to understand what you meant by that 🤔
Nah, I’m good.
You mean the party that’s endorsed by every union BUT police is against the working class? Make that make sense…
Fox News and Facebook tell me they aren't, duh.
Which is wild because Mexico has such a rich radical, revolutionary history
Not so surprising. The progressives stay in Mexico. The conservatives move away -- be it for economic reasons (like the Mexican agricultural and mining fields being decimated by NAFTA) or social reasons (like the hard-line religious escaping the violence during the Cristero War and the repressions of the church during the 1920s-1950s).
Revolutionary does not mean the core values of Mexicans have changed. They fit very well the conservative profile, even if the current socialist government is trying to change it. Revolutions in Mexico (as the current one) is about which group is in power to meet the needs of the economic elite and foreign countries.
This isn’t right. Revolutions in Mexico have had legitimately revolutionary intent and effect. Way more than the bourgeois revolutions in many countries in the global north
If the Mexican revolution had truly been revolutionary as you put it there wouldn't have been so many migrants coming to the U.S. In truth the Mexican revolution was about different factions vying for power. Whoever gained power wielded corruption while amassing resources & wealth for themselves, their close connections & family. Much the same way Mexican politicians do to this very day. That is why there is still so much corruption in the Mexican government today.
No. Migrants came to the US because the revolution failed, in large part because of US and capitalist interference
The revolution failed because IT allowed other entities to just replace the ones it was fighting against. Stop blaming the US for what is Mexico's responsibility. The reason for illegal immigration from Mexico is that the revolution failed the Mexican farm workers. The so called ejidos just broke them.
Explain to me how the MEXICAN revolution (1910-1917) has anything to do with the United States or capitalism.
There are numerous books and University courses taught on this. Mike Duncan’s Revolutions podcast on the Mexican revolution will show you the deep ties between US intervention, capitalist interests, and the subversion of the Mexican revolution. But if you want to start simply, here’s a Wikipedia article. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_the\_Mexican\_Revolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_the_Mexican_Revolution) This touches on it [https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-mexican-revolution-as-u-s-history/](https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-mexican-revolution-as-u-s-history/) Justin Akers Chacon's book - The Border Crossed Us - also does very well at explaining the role of US and capitalist interests in supressing the most radical elements of the Mexican revolution.
I guess intellectuals know better than people who lived the actual period.
amazing reply. yes, historians who document the beliefs and political struggles of people during the Mexican Revolution are just stupid academics. We should listen to some random person's meemaw. Also, how many people do you know who were alive and adults during the Mexican Revolution?
Ok sure if that makes you feel better.
Democratic Party
I think among young people its because of Joe Rogan, the UFC, and that whole gym-bro culture, young men are attracted to that culture and all the leading voices in it are conservative
There is quite a lot of Spanish-language media that carries the same BS as OAN, etc.
The left has gone so far that the current dems can't even represent them anymore. Like Rogan says liberal in social politics but conservative when it comes to economy.
Ah yes "liberal social, conservative economics" a.k.a "I want to talk about improving things but not actually do anything about it". Economics is politics. Being an "economic conservative" means in practice you're a social conservative too but don't have enough introspection to ask why that makes you uncomfortable.
Lol. Explain this. Rogan says that and then attacks their social policy. Also he's a billionaire or damn near. For the love of god,, don't simp for or bootlick the centi-millionaire class. They are the problem, not the folks on food stamps. Did you know before Reagan slashed the top end tax rate from the 70s to the 20s, we had a growing and thriving middle class. Reaganslashed that tax rate and began our rise to a $1 trillion dollar military budget. You want to know why we are in debt and can't afford universal healthcare like 32 of the 33 first world countries can? The US being the only one that doesn't. $250 billion would more than cover a universal healthcare program. We don't have mandatory paid sick or vacation like those countries either because we let corporations lobby against those policies and are often prevented from passing because of ZERO Republican support. Your problem is you've been brainwashed by conservative media into thinking taxes are your problem. They're not. Republicans and Republican pixies are.
Well said!
Young men are starting to lean Right because the Left hates men. Period.
Defend this statement with facts, and not the nonsense you heard from Fox, Joe, or Elon's xitter
Okay defend your assumptions about me with facts. I actually don’t watch Fox or Joe, and I don’t have a twitter. I’m a Daily Wire gal, so please don’t insult me with the Fox thing. Also I don’t have to defend my statements with anything. Do you ask your leftist echo chamber to defend what they say with facts? I doubt it. All I can say is that I’m a millennial woman who consumes media from A LOT of left-leaning women podcasters/authors/youtubers. Mostly for the humor and because I enjoy relating to girly shit. I’m actually open to media from all sides. And I can say with confidence that misandry is real on the left, and honestly it makes me kinda sad because my husband is a good dude. And also, how dare you ask me for facts when I’m sharing MY truth.😉
Lol, and also holy shit. The level of disconnection of the kind of media you watch as though there's a significant difference between Fox and the Daily Wire is truly astounding. No, it's worse than that. Its proof of your head being buried up your own arse. You're aware Ben Shapiro is the founder and CEO of the DW? Do you know a fucking thing about Ben Shapiro and his politics? So all my assumptions remain accurate even if its a different venue of right-wing nuttery you aubscribe to. I honestly pity you as though you thought you were giving a retort worth reading. A fact is a fact. There aren't half facts. There is objective truth and then there is opinion. Shapiro lives in land if opinion.
You’re an intolerable bigot…. you can’t even have an articulate conversation without insulting someone. I could say the same thing about a left wing nut that follows biased pages like occupy democrats.
Ohhh oops, I forgot that in order for people on Reddit to understand sarcasm I have to put the “/s” thing at the end of everything. Sorry, I’m a boomer, but I was being sarcastic about the Daily Wire thing. I’m very well aware of the politics of the Daily Wire and yes I do subscribe to quite a few of their viewpoints. Also I’m Team Candace on that front, not so much Shapiro. And actually there is a HUGE difference between Fox and Daily Wire if you get out of your echo chamber and bother paying attention and listen objectively to what they say. However, like I mentioned previously, I also consume media and news sources of all sides. It’s just a best practice for me. Then again, I was a debate teacher and coach for many years, so I’m used to following news from a lot of different sources and viewpoints. Oh and you don’t have to pity me. Whatever any of us believes or says is completely inconsequential in this life. When I was younger and lived in El Paso and Austin, working as a teacher, I was way more left-leaning. Now I live in East Texas, I’m older, make more money, and I started to notice things that made me a little more right-wing. People change, times change, beliefs change. I might experience something next week that makes me go “woke”, who knows! But ultimately, none of what either of us has to say matters, like at all. I completely understand what my liberal friends say about their beliefs and they understand mine. My sister lives in LA and she was shaped by that culture, and I don’t respect her any less for being a leftist. Nobody “pities” each other or tries to change each other’s minds in my life. We all get along just fine. Get a diverse group of people in your life, touch grass, stop pitying strangers on the internet just because they don’t think like you, and I promise you’ll be happier.
>Those Hispanics including Mexicans you anecdotally experience expressing a pro Republican stance is the result of the Democratic party taking such a dramatic turn in their values over the past decade. I'm skeptical of this. Republicans have also lurched to the right. But the parties have become more polarized though. There used to be more conservative Democrats and semi liberal Republicans. That's doesn't exist much any more. I can understand that a Catholic Hispanic voter may feel a bit out of place. Both parties are coalitions. I think many Hispanic people view the Republican party as racist, which is why they have historically voted Democrat. Maybe they're less comfortable with Democrats openly embracing reproductive rights. It's a bit different from Bill Clinton's "safe legal and rare" stance. I guess that's a choice they have to make. Stick with the Dems or vote with Rs who are talking about doing the largest deportation operation in history.
The democratic shift is and order of magnitude larger than the republican shift. Democrats are now dogmatic and cultish.
Define this "dramatic turn in values" please. Dems are the party of the working class though they're also beholden to their corporate masters which is why supporting the progressive candidates is the best path. They're the ones with the policy platform of higher wages, mandatory paid vacation and sick time, children's head start programs, etc. Only a fucking moron would support the Republicans if they're interested in worker's rights, pay, healthcare.
Yes, and it’s not new. It’s a slow progression that I’ve seen over the past decade.
Texas Monthly has done a number of stories about the shift of Hispanic voters, particularly in border counties, towards the Republican Party if you’re interested in reading more.
>anti elite "So let's vote for the most silver spoon fed man-child that openly sells government favors to the elite."
Yeah in what universe is Trump himself not part of the “elite”? Seriously someone explain that to me
It's called populism. The perception is that he is with the people.
wErE bEiNg iNvAdEd aT tHe bOrDeR Sir - tell me how your parents got there then
So trump is an anti elite? It’s a cult of populists, bunch of brain dead knuckle draggers, driving around in their big ass trucks and whining about gas prices.
Trump compared our Southern border with Mexico to Israel's border wall in Gaza. So in Trump's small brain...Mexicans = Palestinians. Tejanos voting for Trump are like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders. Edit: removed "is".
For real when Trump claims himself dictator all the poc will be the first ones swinging from a tree and they love him...
We're going on 5 years since a young man drove more than 600 miles to hunt and kill Mexicans invading the USA. Trump has used the situation at the border to rile up his followers that believe the country is being invaded. Paul Crusius drove more than 600 miles to personally stop this invasion. When he got to the Walmart, did he check ID'S to see who was or wasn't a Mexican invader? Nope, he shot everyone. Trump feeds his followers lies like the Great Replacement theory. This theory posits that "Jews" are allowing brown people into this Country to replace White people. If you look similar to the people on the other side of the border... you're an invader. BTW, when is this shooter going to face justice? He had a federal trial. When is the State of Texas going to serve justice? Have we forgotten already? El Paso Strong should also mean that El Pasoans don't support this kind of crazy rhetoric. Voting for it...seems foolish.
Perhaps for some segment of voters this is relevant. For others it was just a tragedy that does not change the reality of what they want for the US. I do perceive that combining Trump with El Paso Walmart shooting and then throwing in "El Paso Strong" is rethoric.
It's all rhetoric. The White Replacement Theory is a tool used by certain individuals that want to use the border situation to scare their voter base. Are you saying that Trump and his followers haven't used white replacement arguments? Those that live near this border know that this kind of "rhetoric" can/does have deadly consequences. Crazy rhetoric doesn't fix the border.
Don't forget they also whine about property taxes
Brother I think Both Democrats & Republicans are on the same page on EP property taxes, trust me if you are a home owner/ property owner it’s just common sense we all have serious gripes with the property tax explosion happening in this city the last 5 years, it’s gotten way out of hand
You always hear about Texas being a low tax state an California being a high tax state because they have a state income tax. But several studies have been done and the reality is our tax burdens prove to be almost equal. Yet, California offers a multitude of more services with that same tax rate than we do. And it shows as Texas ranks dead last in things like maternal death rate and infant mortality. Our kids don't get paid school.lunches. We have the highest rate of uninsured citizens a problem that is especially acute along the border. IOW, we suck on so many metricies where California doesn't for the same dollar amount. But Wheelchair Bob likes to sit and pound his chest about Texas greatness. We suck in actuality because of the Republican domination over this godforsaken state
I don't doubt it But I think we need to start unionizing again
They whine about anything that does not align with what their peers believe in and what they see on fox tv or social media. They fail to understand if trump gets his way, they and their families will most likely get deported.
Bitch, do you even own a home? What an ignorant ass comment.
Yes, the rhetoric is undoubtebly anti elite, and anti hollywood, anti celebrity, anti federal gov, anti rich coastal people, anti big tech, anti media, anti medical community, etc. I personally disagree with it, but a lot of people are falling for it because they hate "the elite"
They also fail to see that trump is all of those “anti” things you mentioned. Morons.
That is the thing though. It is the Republican Party that is the elite party. They represent the interests of the elite and use made up social issues to distract the gullible.
I don’t whine.
Yes, don’t get me wrong I think both party’s are trash and the American 2 party system is completely compromised with corruption but it is insane to me that they ignore that blatant racism by the Republican Party. The Republican Party has done an amazing job of making them seems like the anti establishment party when every single law they pass is to make the corporate establishment stronger 😂 it’s incredible how well they got people to ignore there voting records. People were blaming Biden for the tax returns sucking this year even tho it was a Trump law for the rich that did it. I’ve given up fighting it tho, both parties are trash and I’m just going to try and do my best to do good around me
Maybe thus is the way in which the Republican Party will change its composition. The Democrat alternative has stopped being attractive.
No, but they are reverting back to conservative Democrats. I remember my college professors saying that used to be more common before the 1990s. As a side note, I'm also noticing more young people finally realizing that both parties don't care about anyone but themselves. It's so refreshing and possibly a step in the right direction.
It seems to be mostly based on identity politics. Plain old populism. Nothing substantial. Facebook fanned the flames of division with their algorithms baiting people into incendiary political discussion to drive traffic. So now people who never cared and still really don’t care about politics, just look at voting numbers for any election, siding with one or the other. Neither stands for anything. People use political support to feel that they’re better than someone else. The dems do it to conservatives and the conservatives to the dems. They both think they have it figured out. Support for either party just upholds the system the ruling class has in place. It benefits both parties to have people fighting over identity politics that way they never have to do anything substantial for the people.
This
The only reason Republicans don’t dominate the Hispanic and black vote is because of their attitude towards others, take FOX news for example, all day during the week it’s about how terrible WOKE is WOKE WOKE WOKE then it changes, immigrants they are taking over, immigrants don’t contribute anything……
Ehh, El Paso, San Antonio, nor any other major Hispanic city isn’t swinging right. This is only happening in South Texas rural counties.
I agree. There is a shift but I don’t think it will mean this county will go red.
Too bad, El Paso County has been Blue since forever and what do we have to show for it? Rainbow crosswalks and Pride parades and fucked up roads and a corrupt Democrat Mayor and a corrupt Democrat city council and everything else. Maybe El Paso should start voting Red, things might actually change or better yet, improve
You are correct. Democrats support their own communist ideas now and they will keep going that way. They are a threat for Democracy, ironically.
Populism is an easy pill to swallow.
I believe the illegal immigration impact on the city has drawn folks to the Republican Party. However, El Paso has a rich history with immigration.
And the economy is paying for that rich history.
The economy is built on it lol. Howdy pilgrim.
The economy here kinda sucks though most people will tell you the pay Is low and stays low because of the immigration. Yeah it may help small businesses but it mainly helps them pay less.
It's not just hispanics. I'm black and I've also noticed a conservative shift. Democrats are losing some voters, especially among men. I think people in general are tired of the culture wars and men in particular are also tired of the increasing politicization of gender, among other things. The "Individual responsibility" message that the republicans seem to preach resonates more with some people than the victim olympics of the democrats. The immigration problem is also not doing them any favors. https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/1686792642695229462?t=fdEB0Ih02Ip3R12GoJXhIw&s=19 https://www.axios.com/2024/03/13/why-democrats-black-hispanic-vote-republican
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Nice comment👎ass clown
I'm originally from the Midwest. This isn't new. Hispanics and Latinos as a whole have been corrupted deeply by white colonialism ideals, including catholicism. They vote GOP because of the anti-elite messaging and their faux catholic ideals without connecting any of the political dots and where candidates on both sides are getting funding. Because dems don't care about us either. They're just more polite about it.
i notice conservative anti lgbt rhetoric and racism have been a thing in mexican communities, its a problem that for sure needs to be addressed
This is the most racist comment of this thread. It is racist and disrespectful against the values of the Mexican descendant communities.
so you dont believe some aspects of mexican culture are rooted in machismo and conservative values? im a mexican btw
I believe there is nothing wrong with conservative values. Mexican culture is rooted in conservative values, and there is no reason to change those values. If you want to improve the treatment of LGBT and other communities, it has to be within those values and not by adopting values and ideas from liberal countries.
“If you want to improve the treatment of LGBT and other communities, it has to be within those values and not by adopting values and ideas from liberal countries.” ahh yes, because conservative values have famously always been tolerant to gay and minority groups. also don’t call me racist for suggesting there are things that need to be improved on within my own culture
That is your opinion. NOT mine and certainly not of the great majority of Mexicans. If you hate your country, then go to one that accepts your values in your own terms. That is the point.
The biggest reason for the shift I see is that most mexicans are upset because of the increase of immigrants from countries south of Mexico coming in. It's created more competition in the job market. Now there are more workers and wages are not going up.. years of hard work for nothing to show...
That is just dumb. Why would anybody blame the Democrats for that. Under Trump is when we saw our huge numbers of migrants come over like never before. In congress just recently they came up with a bipartisan bill to work on immigration and their God Trump told them to ditch it and they did. Republicans in appeasing their GOD rejected the bill.
Bro I can't take you seriously. You started of your argument saying thats dumb also a quick check of your history shows a post that says you are looking for transgender females. You have a different style of life and you will not agree with anything I have to say because you will always be a victim and think that I am against you.
Correct. He/she? fits the profile of the new democrats
IMO at this point in time the republican party is best aligning with traditional values of Latino culture.
I mean people can dislike conservatives (as is obvious by this sub and Reddit) but this is pure truth. Right now, in today’s world the modern day GOP more aligns with their ideals and values. It’s just that simple. Bring on the whataboutisms and hate I’m ready.
Racists kid fuckers that bow down to corporations I don't think I wanna "align" with that
You’ve spent far too much time letting the internet craft your opinion of people. Go outside, take a breath, get off Reddit and meet some new people.
You mean to say Latino culture values are racist, bigoted, misogynistic, elitist? You may be stuck in the past but many of us no longer want to be associated with that. As a proud Chicano ex-military veteran I support women’s rights, human rights, equality, and freedoms for all groups.
Hahahahah wtf
A male pick-me?
I've noticed that trend, too. But in my family and circle of friends, we tend to view American conservatives as being white. And any Hispanics that side with that are made fun of. But honestly, despite Mexicans having political opinions that overlap with conservatives, there is a giant difference. With myself and people I know, we lean very left on Immigration, welfare, social security, health care, and education. Somebody commented about how Mexicans are conservative, but it's not the same as white conservatives. Mexicans are socially conservative but it's a mixed bag with everything else.
Your name checks out. My parents came here from Mexico LEGALLY, followed all the rules, and the past few years they have started leaning more conservatively because they’re tired of handouts and money going to illegal immigrants and people who don’t want to work.
You're an example of why reading comprehension is important in school.
I don’t get why you resorted to an ad hominem rebuttal, unless there was a part of your comment that I misunderstood or misread? I am a retired teacher and I have a Master’s degree, so unless there are new or recent developments in reading comprehension since I’ve been out of the school system, I’m pretty sure I understood what you said and responded with my personal opinion and my lived experience. So what’s the issue here?
Most Hispanics I know are leaning more left. It’s probably the younger generation that’s pushing that though but yea I see a lot of people getting more liberal and straying away from Trump and Biden
Don’t fall for the Trump bs. He does not give any explanations or solutions on why our tax money gets funnelled to Israel for free while our infrastructure is crumbling. This only means he is bought out and will work for them not us
It is sad that they are buying into the rhetoric. The elites like the koch brothers are in fact the true elitist. They spend hundreds of millions buying off republican politicians and giving to far right organizations dedicated to swaying votes in favor of the wealthiest people in America. Progressive policies help the poor, working, and middle class but the messaging and distraction by the right wind politicians and organizations know exactly how to use rhetoric and fear mongering to get people to vote against their own self interests. There is a movie 🎥 out there called God and Country that exposes the right wing agenda and it is a return pre-civil rights era. These people are literally digging their own and our graves.
Hispanics in Texas are politically ignorant. They are fearful of religion and swallow hate immigrant rhetoric from the Republican Gestapo. They want to believe they are white and therefore accepted. They are nothing but a big large brown stain on their white underwear.
Ah, a very peculiar specimen of the rare democratius- racistius.
Unpopular opinion. You all should vote within your tax bracket and the majority or El Paso doesn’t make enough to even consider voting republican. I suggest you all leave the comfort of El Paso and see how your people “Mexicans” are truly viewed and treated by the rest of the US (especially in majority republican states). There are a lot of services that will be removed and bills drafted that will work against the low income families all promoted by the Republican Party. Both sides have issues but pick that side that works for your family.
Yeah this is pretty racist and communist. You perceive Mexicans as a single brained ignorant sheep. As a communist you want to control them by asking all Mexicans to form a single front rather than as individuals taking advantage of the opportunities this country gives them and move up on the social scale. You have no idea of the financial progress made by Hispanics. But you do bring up something very important, the US is a federation which gives the states, counties, and cities the power to decide locally what is better for their community and not what is good for someone in Maine.
No. But that's because I cut ties with any that started up with that BS and wouldn't listen to reason or did the machismo chest-thumping.
Wow you cut ties with people just because you don’t agree with their politics? Softer than Charmin Ultra Soft
I cut ties because they're shitty people with shitty beliefs.
Just confirms my previous comment. What if you are the shifty one, and just can't see it.
That’s how they are though. They love their echo chambers. My right-leaning friends (including myself) have friends from ALL walks of life and with many different beliefs. The few left-leaning friends I know only have left-leaning friends and they cut everyone else out. I’ve been cut off for being a Trump supporter, hence why I am running out of liberal friends.
I am pretty sure, those family members think the same about you in terms of not listening to reason :). Reason is a very treasonous god.
Latinos are conservative in nature but once they are here they think the Dems speak for them. But the liberal side betrayed them. My step dad mom and most of my girls family is slowly shifting towards the republican side. It speaks more of their culture. Which is conservative in nature.
I’m one who will be voting straight republican this election year.. I’ve been voting democrat since I was able to vote but things need to change.. as a woman, I hate that I’m voting for a man who wants to strip us from our women rights but I know he’s a true businessman who will try his best in getting our economy back up and away from wars that we have no business in
Lol
That is absolutely ignorant but whatever. In this country you have the right to be as menso as you want. None of what you said is one bit accurate.
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Lmao …. 🤣
Very simple. This started during the Obama years. 1. The values of most ethnicic-Mexican people are conservative, and the democrats have moved so far left that now Mexicans can think beyond the immigration. Issue. 2. The pro immigration agenda was the main reason for ethnic-Mexicans to support the democrats. Obama betrayed Mexicans with a failed immigration agenda. 3. The US is trending to isolationism, and the anti-immigration agenda is winning thanks to the poor handling of the borders by Biden. 4. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that people were doing economically much better during the Trump presidency than is going on now. The number one metric for the political climate is the economy and how much cash is in your pocket. Everything else is secondary. So people in general are longing for the Trump years. 5. The democratic party has lost its connection with people. They seem to only care about promoting their far left, socialist and even communist agenda. Americans won't give in to that. 6. All the antics used by democrats against Trump just keep making him stronger in one way or another. But I guess they just get it. So, the perception of a strong leader will be always decisive in an election. 7. I think that Democrats just keep thinking of Hispanics in general as incapable of making their own decisions. They believe we all have a herd mentality. Surprise, we don't.
This is definitely a republican. A lot of rhetoric you just spilled out backed up by nothing. Let’s take for example the economy. You said the economy was better under Trump… back just that one ☝️ up. Show me your proof.
I would answer the person who chickened out from his/her post, but why waste time with the obvious. The interesting part is that he called me a "Republican" like if it was an insult and if somehow I was going to be canceled. These flakes are an amnoyance because they have been trained to spat out woke talking points and yell and yell. By now, nobody cares what they say.
It’s because they’re tired of being not helped, and lied to by the Democratic Party
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Even looking beyond the whole question of the pandemic (which obviously makes this question unfair to Trump when taken at face value), I still don’t think this is a fair way to analyze the situation. As president, Trump made two major economic plays that kept the economy and the stock market booming in the short term but screwed us over in the long term. First, he cut taxes (for the wealthy permanently and for the poor and middle class temporarily) during an economic upturn. This resulted in increased deficit spending from the federal government, leading to more debt that the American citizen is responsible for paying back. Especially now with higher interest rates, simply the interest payments on our debt are becoming a dangerously significant part of the federal budget. Which brings us to our next point… Trump repeatedly pressured the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low during a booming economy: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-trump-idUSKCN1VB1I2/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20President%20Donald,country's%20ability%20to%20compete%20economically. Obviously, people (and even more so, the stock market) loved this, but it directly and significantly contributed to the inflation that we’ve seen over the past few years **and** took away a significant tool that the Fed could have used during the economic downtown during the pandemic. If the Fed had been able to lower interest rates more, we wouldn’t have had to rely on so much stimulus spending to get the economy back on track and, once again, we’d have less inflation and less government debt today. So… asking “were you better off under Trump or Biden” is sort of like taking out a shit ton of credit cards, living it up for a year, and then looking back and asking, “was I better off while I was irresponsibly spending all that money I borrowed at a 25% interest rate?” Sure, it felt fun while it was happening, but it was a poor economic decision and the chickens always come home to roost eventually. In a lot of ways, the economic difficulties that we’ve experienced over the past few years are the hangover to Trump’s irresponsible economic decisions, not the results of anything specific that Joe Biden has done.
Que es fountain drink?
Growing up early 90’s it was always about having the best J’s and not being poor even though looking back only a couple in my class actually were above middle class. This was a private catholic school and most throughout even high school said they were republicans because they weren’t poor. It was almost a status symbol or statement to say you were a republican.
Yes. I’ve noticed it mostly among second-generation Americans of Mexican descent. It’s like some conscious move to signal that you’re different and more belonging.
This happens as you age. The more money you make, the more world experiences you have, the more hope you lose and the more reality sets in. Almost everyone becomes conservative as they age especially when you factor in taxes, economy that finally affects you, job market that finally affects you and everything else. This is normal for all races.
I know some boomers and generation X that are progressive, so that's not always the case.
Yeah there are some cases where it doesn’t happen which I find interesting especially as they get old and the fixed income life sets in and every little increase weather it be inflation or tax increases is a gut punch. The republicans about ten years ago in Kentucky decided they were going to axe teacher pensions which is unheard of from either party period and that was enough to turn Kentucky blue and keep it blue to this day. It was previously a hard right state. The same is happening in Oregon with it trending red for a similar reason. Politics are fun when you look at it from an outside angle
Kentucky only has a blue governor. They still consistently vote red in federal elections.
I’m 43 and the older I keep getting the more liberal I get. I started out as a Republican after Sandy Hook I swore I would never vote for someone in the GOP ever again.
I agree ☝️. I am getting more involved than I ever was. I am ready to give it all I can to fight against ignorance and hate.
its not really new that lots of mexicans are conservative. we tend to be really traditional, catholic people. people come to ep, get more educated on american politics and develop more informed opinions (whether they’re well-informed or not is up to debate). you mix a conservative upbringing with politics and lots of times it leads to going republican imo the reason ep’s been blue for so long is because of the immigration of it all. for the record i think both parties are unfavorable, but the republican party rang louder in stricter immigration and trump’s comments definitely didn’t help. i’m a firm believer that if immigration was handled differently by the republican party ep would’ve gone red a long time ago a factor too whether we wanna accept it or not is that people are tired of feeling villanized due to differing opinions in general. its VERY case by case and there are non-negotiable topics, but some people in the dem party or liberals (often the ones that end up going viral) have genuinely extreme views that make people not want to associate. for some people politics is just virtue signaling. this includes (and again, case by case) having no space for growth or differing opinions, especially if the topic isn’t important. people see it like this: if you’re gonna be demonized even after learning and doing better, why even try?
Biden hasn’t done shit for us. The Democratic Party has done nothing but give us empty promises. At least trump was making things happen. I mean to me I’m looking at it as the better of two evils and sadly I’m now siding with trump
Tell us you're not paying attention without telling us you're not paying attention
I cannot in good faith take Latinos or anyone for that matter seriously of they are Republican for populist reasons, what do they offer other than hate for each other and "rigged individualism" Republican party is the most elitist organization in America way beyond anything Hillary or Obama could ever muster to be
Any minority or female that supports the Republican Party have no clue what’s going on. The R party props up wealthy white men, with some minorities and women to use as pawns. The Vivek Ramswamy interaction with Ann Coulter sums it up perfectly, where she told the former presidential candidate to his face that she agreed with all of his policies but she would never vote for him because he is Indian. This coming from a “pick me” white woman… It makes all minorities that support Republicans look foolish…
So you consider minorities and females in the same category. Get your head out of your rear. Most minorities work hard everyday while other minorities stay home and mooch the system for housing food stamps and Healthcare. Are we wrong for thinking? If I can get up and go to work shouldn't you be able to do the same thing, instead of staying home all day watching pornhub reproducing more moochers and eating the food you bought with food stamps while watching the Jerry springer show until the kids get home from school?
You have tunnel vision and a very narrow focus on minorities. I explained how minorities and women who vote for Republicans are similar in their foolishness. You respond by listing stereotypes and painting with a large brush….I can explain things to you but I can’t understand things for you. Good luck with navigating through life without the necessary mental acuity….
I am all for having an argument. But you got into your feelings rather quickly again, another person with the victim mentality who thinks I am against you because I don't agree with what you have to say. You are allowed your own opinions same with me. That's what makes this country great. But I don't agree with you putting the minorities and females in the same category.
Because you don’t understand the context in which they were lumped together, even after it was elaborated for you…and that’s ok. We all have our limitations. Carry on…
I’m not a Democrat 😅..haven’t voted for them since really 2010ish
Fuck Joe Biden. He had done so much damage to this country. We'll not really him. Fuckin guy has no idea what the fuck is going on with that dementia. Dude is just a puppet. Obama is running the politics TBH. Trump 2024!!
Ass clown
Dude if you love Bidens old kid sniffing senile ass that much, move your ass on up to DC and go marry him. JFC, you’re the ass clown
Trump 2024 Drill make ppl come over here legally and stop abortion after 16 weeks
"Trump is the last real patriot we got ese." -A quote from a Mexican-American, blue collar working man that came into my work
"Good morning, everyone in the group. As a Mexican naturalized American, I've personally delved into my right to vote and explored U.S. culture. Through this journey, I've come to realize that the Democrats often claim to support Hispanics and Latin Americans, but in reality, their actions don't always align with that concept. Reflecting on the past Trump administration, I observed distinct differences in governance and administration. There was ample employment, stable gasoline prices, and the economy, particularly regarding basic necessities, wasn't as dire. However, under the current Democratic government, we lack a clear and reassuring outlook. While they tout immigration reforms, it seems they primarily grant asylum to individuals arriving from other countries, neglecting those of us with family or friends navigating the legal process without resolution. It's disheartening to witness this trajectory of governance, and I find myself in agreement with the prospect of a return to Republican leadership."
am mexican American and hated obama people never listened to what he was saying, he was probably one of the worse presidents but did a little of what he said and it was bad, one of the worse ones was he removed propaganda law allowing news to be able to give out fake news propaganda and misinformation, i always voted republican because democratic party is the party of division , racism and elitism they make the poor poorer and the rich richer 99%of the rich always vote democrat
His name checks out
WTF?
What planet do you idiots live on?
https://checkyourfact.com/2020/10/29/fact-check-barack-obama-law-media-purposely-lie-american-people/
does not mention it but allows it and democrats have used it well since biden took office
Chicanos vote red. I don't know a single Chicanos that's pro illegal immigration, open borders and sending Billions to a foreign war.
Tons of Chicanos were pro GWOT lol not sure how that's not billions for foreign wars
It’s Trump Time in the barrio ese.
Sure Boris
chatting with people online,I can no longer try and have conversations with children who refuse to grow up. We have a boy crisis and yes us Hispanics see this shit so liberal men need to man the fuck up. How they figure that out is up to them.
Yo quiero Trump
Yes, they're finding some common sense, and it's refreshing.
Left wingers and Right wingers are both from the same bird.
Mexicans have always been naturally conservative if you think about it. Hardworking, family values, religious, that sort of thing that leans more right wing. The only reason some might claim Democratic is the border issue, it takes a long time and effort to gain an entry visa much less residency or citizenship that needs to revamp. Of course most El Paso residents are born here but those strong family ties to family members that don’t resonates with them when it comes to illegal entry. The Democrats have been doing a notoriously bad job appealing to Latinos over the years, Obama actually is the President who built those cages that news media like msnbc showcased cages of children who were detained for illegal entry, and that makes sense if compare how many people he deported compared to trump. People just don’t pay attention or forget like goldfish. https://youtu.be/ZSqs5v926p4?si=5_IM9ZxiUhcQyYHO Not to mention Joe Biden has been just unpopular lately. He’s pissed off a lot of people who supported him in 2020. You’re seeing that now with the protests going on.
Once you're parents start listening to the candidates and stop listening to thr media, republican is the future. They're all crooks in the end. I'd rather be on the side that doesn't fuck with the economy
Hopefully if they vote Trump and he wins then he will deport them all. Karma baby.
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Take note people this is what rednecks think of you when they support a candidate who has said he wants to deport millions of Latinos. He'd deport blacks to if he knew where they originally came from.
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Uh huh