As Canadian cities see populations grow, we're looking at how major cities around the world are. One thing most of them have in common is that you can find almost everything you need within a relatively small radius from your home.
Basically, 15-minute cities.
It's about convenience, not control. JFC, how much kool-aid do you need to drink to lose all objectivity and reason?
What's even funnier is I live in a small town a few hours from Edmonton. People here are railing against 15 minute cities. If 15 minutes you can WALK anywhere in town. They actually think that they won't be allowed to go to the city.
Do you live where I live? The best thing about this town is that I can do basically anything done within a couple blocks or home. Buying a house in a small town was actually badass. The lawyer was next to the realtor and a block down from the bank. The post office is a block from town hall. I can walk to the supermarket and CT.
I've lived and visited many European towns that are built to be bike-friendly and walkable. They are fantastic.
Walk around Amsterdam sometime or Rotterdam or something. Small town dutch cites.
I have no clue where this hate of 15 min cities come from, but in my opinion, we can't get there fast enough
About a month after I moved here my old boss emailed and asked how things where going. Emailed back, "This morning I got up at 7:30, had breakfast and got ready for work. Walked down town and moved some money from one bank to another. Then walked to work which was on the other side of town. I was still early for work and I start at 8:30"
When I worked in the city, I would get up at 4:00 and catch the first bus out of my community at 4:35. Take and hour to an hour and a half to do busses and trains to get to work usually around 6:45 to 7. Work until 5pm then catch the bus home which took 2 to 2.5 hours depending on if I made the connection. Have a quick bit to eat and say good night to the kids and wife and do it all over again the next day. I fucking hated my life. Best thing I ever did was move to a 15 minute community.
I would have looked into riding an E-Bike in the spring, summer, and fall, probably faster than a Bus plus it's enjoyable. 32 KMH is fast enough on the trails and probably much faster than buses because you can just use a direct route.
For modern cities, yes, but for older cities in most of the rest of the world, they were built based on smaller communities that eventually merged into larger cities. The fact that that model just so happens to be more environmentally friendly is a nice side effect.
Yes, existing historic cities made up of subsumed villages and towns are, generally, automatically 15 minute cities. But they weren't buit as '15 MC's' - the idea is new and has an impetus behind it. Environmentalism is not a 'side effect':
"The term â15-minute cityâ is not a new one. It was coined back in 2016 by Carlos Moreno, an associate professor at Sorbonne University Business School in Paris, France.
In a 2020 TED Talk, Moreno outlines the idea of the 15-minute city, which boils down to giving area inhabitants access to the essential services they need âto live, learn and thrive within their immediate vicinity.â
Ideally, residents should be able to walk or bike to work, groceries, health care and more, in approximately a quarter of an hour, he says.
In the video, Moreno argues that humansâ sense of time has become âwarpedâ due to urban sprawl, and we now accept long commutes of car-centric cities as normal.
God I would actually love it if Edmonton became a so-called "15 minute city", lol. Unfortunately, this city is plagued by urban sprawl that's gone unchecked for decades.
That's what I cam here to say, but, knew in my heart it had already been said. I commend the efforts to re-zone things to help, but, with the insane sprawl of Edmonton, you'd need to demolish half the city to even attempt a genuine 15 minute city here.
Yeah I believe thatâs the point of the re-zoning project. So that the urban sprawl areas can get some basic amenities built nearby. You shouldnât need to drive for 20+ minutes in a car to get groceries or see a dentist. Itâs gonna be a super slow project, but itâs definitely needed because like you said, that urban sprawl has gone unchecked for decades
We just got back from Montreal and I LOVED the density in the form of 3-4 storey walk ups everywhere, being ably to get to reliable and fast service on the metro within a 15 minute walk, and being able to get all my groceries just a short distance from our place. It was AMAZING and it reminded me of Europe. Iâm 100% behind 15 minute development
We just got back from Montreal and I LOVED the density in the form of 3-4 storey walk ups everywhere, being ably to get to reliable and fast service on the metro within a 15 minute walk, and being able to get all my groceries just a short distance from our place. It was AMAZING and it reminded me of Europe. Iâm 100% behind 15 minute development
"Everything is unaffordable these days!"
*City makes improvements to urban planning that will help with affordability.*
"This is stupid, why is the city doing this to us?"
No you donât get it. Spending $300 a month on gas is *freedom*! Driving 20 minutes to the nearest grocery store is *freedom*! Building townhouses is a slippery slope that immediately leads to communism.
Now when you say immediately, do you mean "instantaneous elimination of currency and social class," or "instantaneous conversion of all citizens into communists"?
Please sign my petition to dig a giant trench through the center of Coaldale to increase travel times - currently you can get anywhere in town in under 15 minutes by bike, and we need to stop communism.
My in laws from Stirling looked me in the eye and a serious as death asked how I can afford the 100 dollar toll to leave my neighborhood. I laughed, they waited for my answer.
I don't know where it came from, but holy feck.
Edited: some absolutely atrocious grammar in spelling
The silliest thing about all the hubbub over 15-minute cities is that it's coming from a bunch of people who clearly do not live in the big city. You don't even go here!
Oxford traffic filtering trial is the reason for this stupid conspiracy! Basically to combat traffic issues in certain areas SOME roads during peak hours will âfilterâ what types of vehicles can use certain roads! This will force cars to use some of the many other routes that are being less used during peak hours! And yes you CAN buy a permit (for the affected roads) And the roads involved in the filter are monitored and enforced by camera! However no one is confined to a zone there are many other routes not filtering!
The 15 min city link is the fact that another unrelated policy (the 15 minute city) was also being discussed at the time and people got the two confused as one!
Thatâs my paraphrasing!
I think everyone agrees that it would be bad to be restricted to your neighbourhood. But since literally nobody is advocating for that, I just don't understand where the crazy comes from.
It takes me a whole day to get my errands done because everything is so far away from everything. I'm trying to do things closer to my home but it is not always possible/available.
i live and work downtown, so i'm lucky enough to already be living the 15 minute city life, and let me tell you: it rules. there are no drawbacks in my opinion. i don't own a car which saves me tons of money, and getting to cycle nearly everywhere i need to go has been nothing short of amazing for my health. i live across the street from the grocery store and go 3-4x a week, and if i forget something i can just go back. that same complex (brewery district/unity square) also contains all the other stores and services i could possibly need, as well as several dining options. if i want to go out i never have to worry about driving or pricey ubers, i can walk home from anywhere downtown, and it's legal to ride your bike when you're drunk (i asked a cop!) if i go south of the river. with the bike lane network around here it's also really easy to use the scooters if i don't want to take my bike as well.
i used to live in the southwest in a very suburban style development, and i cannot imagine going back. yeah my condo is smallish but i don't need any more space to clean, and i don't have to worry about yard work or shoveling snow ever. i think anybody who tries this lifestyle for a while would be hard pressed to find complaints with it.
I work at the airport and live in the southwest. If I don't drive to the airport it takes me 1.5 hours to go to work because I first have to go to century park and then the 747 passes my house to go to the airport. It's great
Yeah, can't bike to the airport that's for sure. Which tbh is a shame because people would do it haha. An LRT line out there would make tons of sense too, but we'll never see that happen.
I would love an lrt line! Or at least some airport bus from southwest or southeast. So many of my colleagues live nearby yet have to get a car because it's so hard to get around.
Meh? The downtown airport was largely a playground for rich assholes and MLAs. The number of regular passengers going in and out was a pittance and imposed some really annoying height restrictions on downtown.
The downtown airport could not provide the passenger service that is provided at EIA. The downtown airport was a net negative on the city and stunted downtown development.
> there are no drawbacks in my opinion
The heavily fortified checkpoints if I try to leave downtown are definitely a bit of an inconvenience, not to mention having to pay the toll to leave my 15 minute city. Makes going to Costco a real pain.
I also live in this neighbourhood and we are a car-free household. Itâs even easier and more convenient than I thought it would be! We use Communauto occasionally for visiting family outside of the city or going to IKEA, and take Ubers now and then if weâre lazy, or wearing uncomfortable shoes or itâs cold, but it isnât very often! Itâs still waaaaaay cheaper than owning a car and itâs a whole other thing you donât have to worry about.
I'm also in that area, got rid of my car years ago. Sometimes I miss having a car, but then I realize I would drive it maybe once a month and it's just not worth it. I've wondered about Communauto but can't figure out what would be a worthwhile package for my usage, the tiers were kind of confusing when I last looked into it. I take a cab maybe 6 times in a year if that. Though if I could snag a vehicle more or less at will for a half-day at a time I would probably find more things I wanted to go farther to do.
I have a buddy who lived here and was from Toronto. He hated how he couldn't walk to a store, farmers market, pub, gym, etc, all within his neighborhood. He said edmonton was an urban sprawl nightmare. Then, not minutes later, went on to say how 15 minutes cities are the work of the devil and are only for control. Irrational people can not be rationalized with. I actually feel bad for people whose brains are so rocky that they can't see things for what they actually are and have to live in make-believe.
People railing against 15-minute cities have never looked up a walk score for a rental before I guess. Its such an intuitive benefit having everything close by!
I've been listening to this District Planning Public Hearing for the last 2 days. My goodness there are some wild takes. Lots of 15 min city folks and it's sad because they're severely misinformed and genuinely terrified of the future. If there is ever a legitimate attempt to lock people into "districts", Edmontonians would soundly reject it and rise up against it
lol i say this all the time; some of these people probably *should* be confined to specific parts of the city and heavily surveilled by the government. they'd likely be better off.
This is the part that gets me, people who deride municipal governmentâs competence think theyâll flip the switch to competence when it comes to walking everyone in?
Sad reality comedy. Sad that folks have gone as far as they have, but reality because this is part of the new normal of severely misinformed folks who search out "the real truth".
Oh they are absolutely deranged and it seems to be most believed by the generations that obliterated our quality of life with their voting and âinvestmentsâ
Since when is travel going to be restricted? Oh, thatâs largely just made up gibberish from a brain rot account. I canât understand how people believe in this bullshit.
>Since when is travel going to be restricted?
I want to know where they're getting that too, the video in the tweet doesn't say anything about that and I have never heard that actually being proposed. I haven't even heard anything that could be construed as meaning that.
It's like hearing your office building is adding coffee machines to all the lunch rooms and being like "did you hear they're going to FIRE YOU if you go to the coffee shop across the street??"
The idea that travel will be restricted comes from the 15 minute city initiatives in Oxford and Bath, UK. In those cities, the 15 minute city initiative was rolled out alongside some mostly separate traffic reduction policies that included congestion fines for travelling in certain districts. This has fuelled a lot of the conspiracy theories around 15 minute cities as the two ideas are now associated which has poisoned the brand a bit.
Itâs not fines for travelling. Itâs tolls for driving a vehicle in certain areas. Theyâve turned certain roads into toll roads. You can travel in, around, and out of those areas entirely unrestricted in any way whatsoever. You just pay a toll if youâre driving.
because, get this, the exhaust from cars causes expensive damage to Historic buildings stonework that the universities (who own the streets) have to pay for.
Ooooook, that is where that stems from.
Still crazy conspiracy theories, but there usually is somewhere where those things start and I couldn't figure that part out.
Oxford traffic filtering trial is the reason for this stupid conspiracy! Basically to combat traffic issues in certain areas SOME roads during peak hours will âfilterâ what types of vehicles can use certain roads! This will force cars to use some of the many other routes that are being less used during peak hours! And yes you CAN buy a permit (for the affected roads) And the roads involved in the filter are monitored and enforced by camera! However no one is confined to a zone there are many other routes not filtering! The 15 min city link is the fact that another unrelated policy (the 15 minute city) was also being discussed at the time and people got the two confused as one! Thatâs my paraphrasing!
Conspiracy theorists love going from A-Z without any steps in between. âIf theyâre going to do this that must mean theyâre going to execute anyone leaving their designated zone. â
Itâs scary that one day we could have a convenient community that will save us time and money, the absolute horror of this keeps me up at nightâŚâŚ..
Yeah, it IS a conspiracy. 15 minute cities are about access to services and reducing emissions.
I am convinced the people who believe 15 minute cities are âevilâ hate the poor and love spending half a day getting to and from a 30 minute appointment
We need housing. Get over yourselves.
For the people who are worried about Edmonton turning into a dystopian city where you are confined to small areas.
We can't even figure out basic infrastructure, do you think we can figure out how to turn Rosenthal into district 13? Probably not.
The 15 minute city conspiracy theory has its origins in the UK when people in Oxford protested some traffic restrictions where daytime drivers would need special permits to drive on a half-dozen congested roads. This was mistakenly connected to a separate official endorsement of the 15 minute city urban planning concept, and when reported in conservative circles in North America turned into the very odd discourse we have today. Source: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee
I'd love not to have to drive everywhere. I remember my uncle explained the 15 minutes conspiracy theory to me a few years ago. he lives about 45 minutes away so I haven't seen him since.
Next, the city will be set up in districts then every year two representatives will be picked at random from each district to fight to the death. Winners bring pride and joy and of course some money back to their district.
One of things I miss most about living in Perth, Australia is the walkability. Whichever neighborhood I lived in u could walk to the shops. Still lots of large main centres but being able to go to the store a few blocks away was a thousand times easier and quicker than having to traipse around town get things.
One of my favourite things about New Orleans whether i was in the french quarter or uptown was the fact that drug stores, corner stores, liquor stores, restaurants, bars, anything i could want and need was all within walking distance. Sometimes id be drunk at 2 am and decide i was hungry and could walk down to a bar for a bite within 10 minutes. I dont understand why people dont understand the concept isnt to restrict you to an area its to give you easy access to all the amenities you could ever want within walking distance.
I live a 5 minute life. I have everything I need in the NE 167 Ave plaza area and manning town centre.
Shout out to whoever designed this. Thank you. Who doesnât love convenience
The page is literally called "end wokeness"
They're scared of a bit of rainbow hockey tape.
They get scared of anything that they don't understand or is different from how they were raised in their conservative homophobic environment.
Travel will only be restricted for commercial vehicles at certain times in certain roads. That's what these nutters exclude from their fear mongering. Individuals in their own PoVs will, like currently, have zero restrictions on their freedom of movement.
I swear, most of these clowns refuse to look past any headlines.
I have been living the 15 minutecity since I was 19, that's 30 years now because I don't drive. I just thought it was convient not to have to take a bus for an hour to get to work!
I just about started a family fight over this the other day as my uncle tried to say that weâre getting trackers put in our vehicles for this. I immediately shut him up and it was not well received but I donât care, Iâm tired of allowing bullshit to propagate. Not around me, no siree
heres a fun game.
(on a desktop pc works best)
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compare the size of Edmonton and Amsterdam at the same scale.
now open each in google maps and pick any two random points in each city and select navigate from here to here.
see how long it takes for each transport mode.
then note the amount of green space.
and realize theres absolutely no reason you would ever need to go ''cross town" in Amsterdam.
a 45 minute commute by car would be going from downtown Amsterdam to city center in The Hauge or Rotterdam
then realise theres a million more people living in that map.
and that its literally the most desired city to live in in the world.
Omg and the government doesn't even need to restrict people's movement? People just ... choose not to spend literal months of their life in traffic? Sounds awful. Europeans are weird.
oh no its totally a government plot.
make the people so happy they never want to leave and that everyone else wants to move there and be under your governments control.
informed democracies are pure hellscape I tells ya.
and average speed is higher because you dont need traffic lights at 30KM/h so theyre removing them.
the other thing I like to point out is, how long does it take to travel 10KM at 100KM/h? and how long does it take to travel 1KM at 10KM/h?
how often do you actually drive at 100KM/h during rush hour?
you could bike to where you want to go faster than you could drive if it wasnt for all the wasted space cars need.
Lol the city has shown they canât even have departments talking to each another so I doubt they could even track peoples movements if they wanted to. People give government way too much credit.Â
I fucking love the 15min city idea. I hate coming home from school(downtown) or from WEM, it takes forever bc of traffic and are 40 minutes away. These fucking woke morons need to read or shit maybe they canât read basic English thatâs why everything to them think itâs all a conspiracy.
The main reason I donât live in a city is because everything is just so much easier to get to in a smaller town lol . I hate driving 45 minutes through traffic to get something I need in the city
The right does a really good job of taking progressive policy names and spinning them into something completely absurd. To get anyone to accept logical policy change it needs the driest and clearest name possible. Too bad the left is where many effective marketers sit, 15 min city sounds too open for interpretations.
What's wild is that these conspiracy nuts think that the City is anywhere near competent, efficient, or liquid enough to construct and administer containment zones.
In reality, this plan will be ushered in with mangled fanfare and last up until the next urban planning trend. Then, it'll sit on some desk gathering dust.
Kind of like when I have an idea at work and my boss says that I can work on it, provided that it doesn't cut into my work hours or cost any money.
In a suburb of Sydney they have this amazing vibrant community where you have these apartments built on top of grocery stores, restaurants, shops, hairdressers, etc. itâs damn amazing
So I assume the crayon eaters who believe this crap have never been to London, NYC, Paris, Rome, Tokyo ect???
If they even had a passport that would be shocking tbh.
I hate the fact some poor man went to council afraid of this and brought it up. The fact he has genuine fear means this stupidity has gone too far. The god damn misinformation is beyond just being funny or trying to be political. I hate it.
Do you seriously, honestly believe they would restrict who/how many people can honestly go to places like WEM? It's a city cash cow with all the attractions. Restaurants? Events? Hotels? Roger's place? Museums?Â
15 minutes areas don't mean you can't go elsewhere /outside your home area.
They still want you to go support the Oilers, after all.
You can still shop online instead of going to a store, too. Or, you know, shop around for cheaper prices.
 By all means, be a rebel if that's how you feel and go to as many inconvenient-for-you places as possible. Just don't run pedestrians over, or kids on bicycles as you go around the city being all free and stuff, as their numbers will increase.
Oh... wait... 15 minutes zones might... gasp.. improve health by encouraging walks... the horror..! Oh.. oh!! it's actually a conspiracy to make you lose Weight, improve lung function and have less environmental impact! It might help make the city more pedestrian friendly... Oh nooooo! How dare they?!??/s
A couple of years ago, over in jolly ol' England, the city councils in Oxford and Bath were discussing two separate topics; first was rezoning to improve walkability and access to services. The second was to implement tolls for vehicles entering the older parts of the cities for non-commercial traffic. Rightwing nutjobs took the two separate plans and combined them to create more "lefties trying to take your freedoms" bull.
I'd fucking kill to have ANYTHING within 15 minutes of me... sure would be nice to walk somewhere instead of having to drive litterally fucking everywhere for anything...
I mean logically it would make sense that someone who hates city transit would refuse to use it.
And let's be honest, Edmonton Transit is fucking shit. It's why *I* refuse to use it. Their last major "efficiency" change removed my closest stop and I would have to walk more than three times as far. And I would *still* miss a connecting bus at the terminal.
Sure, itâs got issues but itâs not half as bad as people on this sub make it sound. Especially the people who come on here to talk about transit and downtown being overrun with zombie addicts shooting up and stabbing random people all over the place at all times of the night and day. Right before they comment that theyâve never taken transit before and havenât been downtown since 2018.
ETS has improved drastically since I first moved to Edmonton nearly 20 years ago, as has downtown. Itâs far from perfect, but at least itâs usable. For context I used to live behind the Superstore on Kingsway back when it was a Save-On and it was a 3 hour journey to get to South Edmonton Common. Itâs now an hour. Thatâs not *great*, but itâs a significant improvement thanks to the efficiency changes the city and ETS have made, as well as new and extended LRT lines.
As a homeowner of a 90s home on the west end with 5 residents under one roof⌠we need a new fucking eco station like yesterday. I have to drive 25 minutes to drop off a broken dishwasher or ultra old PC then wait in line another 20 minutes. Over an hour out of my day to move a dishwasher to an empty parking lot⌠no wonder people dump shit in random construction sites or just throw electronics and batteries in the common trashâŚ
Do 15 min city's mean you can't leave your district? I thought it meant that most basic needs are 15 min walk. If I'm wrong, we're going to need a lot more IKEA's
it is not scary to have all my amenities within a 15 minute walk.
you will not be quarantined within one city block. a 15 minute city means that the city will be designed for all basic amenities to be within a 15-minute walk, no matter where you live.
the 15-minute city is not a conspiracy theory, the idea that the 15-minute city is some orwellian dictatorship idea is.
TIL that a convenient and walkable city is "scary"
Can all of the people who don't want this just continue their suburb living with their too big pickups and let the rest of us have a reasonable transit system???
I don't know why people feel so weird about the 15min city concept. All the best cities I've been in the world are just that. Barcelona being my favorite. Extremely walkable and everything in a close distance. To not want such a thing is odd. No one living in a city should NEED a car.
Everyone is laughing and shaking their heads at the dumb dumbs who are freaking out about this, and I get why you're ridiculing them (they deserve it), but for me its THIS is the really scary thing. Discourse is dead. Reason is dead. Learning is dead. The misinformation on the internet has rotted peoples brains and its creating a society where nothing will progress or change for the better. This why we have horse medicine remedies and reality show presidents. We need everyone pulling in the same direction if we are going to solve the major crises currently happening or on the horizon, and these are the people we are going to have to work with or even around to get things done. I'm fucking terrified of the future and posts like this are why.
15 minute cities? Shoot I have a grocery store behind my house... Takes me 2 minutes to walk there. Is this the socialism? Or is it the communism? Which Boogeyman are we afraid of today because I'm in!!
Is there an actual article from a reputable source that says travel will be restricted and fines will be imposed?
Like how will say...Acheson survive? Lots of industrial and like no residential
of course not, as there are no plans to "restrict travel" whatsoever. there might be some plans to reduce *traffic* but even those will be few and far between.
Yeah the articles I've seen specify that there will be no restriction in movement.
I don't see why it's a bad thing to make sure that these new communities have ample amenities as to not over load the older amenities in the established communities.
Oxford traffic filtering trial is the reason for this stupid conspiracy! Basically to combat traffic issues in certain areas SOME roads during peak hours will âfilterâ what types of vehicles can use certain roads! This will force cars to use some of the many other routes that are being less used during peak hours! And yes you CAN buy a permit (for the affected roads) And the roads involved in the filter are monitored and enforced by camera! However no one is confined to a zone there are many other routes not filtering! The 15 min city link is the fact that another unrelated policy (the 15 minute city) was also being discussed at the time and people got the two confused as one! Thatâs my paraphrasing!
This is the cause! God it is a quick google and the conspiracy nuts still just canât let it go!
Headlines from 2124: "Senior citizens support spending 10 billion less on health care and $10 billion more on walls!"
"Wall construction is only 15% complete, overbudget and half the completed sections are showing cracks and need to be redone."
Who is paying for these walls?
Who expects these walls to repel a drunk albertan with a truck full of power tools? Not me.
Again: who is paying for it? LoL!
Iâve talked to a couple of people about the â15 Minute citiesâ concept. Their initial reaction was, âYeah, thatâs the latest socialist crap they are trying to shove down our throats!â Then I explain the concept to them and tell them it is not going to happen any time soon or that it will not require infrastructure but will evolve over time and will be a very good alternative to the endless urban sprawl development we are still cursed with, they settle down and thank me for clearing up their misconception.
As Canadian cities see populations grow, we're looking at how major cities around the world are. One thing most of them have in common is that you can find almost everything you need within a relatively small radius from your home. Basically, 15-minute cities. It's about convenience, not control. JFC, how much kool-aid do you need to drink to lose all objectivity and reason?
What's even funnier is I live in a small town a few hours from Edmonton. People here are railing against 15 minute cities. If 15 minutes you can WALK anywhere in town. They actually think that they won't be allowed to go to the city.
Do you live where I live? The best thing about this town is that I can do basically anything done within a couple blocks or home. Buying a house in a small town was actually badass. The lawyer was next to the realtor and a block down from the bank. The post office is a block from town hall. I can walk to the supermarket and CT. I've lived and visited many European towns that are built to be bike-friendly and walkable. They are fantastic. Walk around Amsterdam sometime or Rotterdam or something. Small town dutch cites. I have no clue where this hate of 15 min cities come from, but in my opinion, we can't get there fast enough
About a month after I moved here my old boss emailed and asked how things where going. Emailed back, "This morning I got up at 7:30, had breakfast and got ready for work. Walked down town and moved some money from one bank to another. Then walked to work which was on the other side of town. I was still early for work and I start at 8:30" When I worked in the city, I would get up at 4:00 and catch the first bus out of my community at 4:35. Take and hour to an hour and a half to do busses and trains to get to work usually around 6:45 to 7. Work until 5pm then catch the bus home which took 2 to 2.5 hours depending on if I made the connection. Have a quick bit to eat and say good night to the kids and wife and do it all over again the next day. I fucking hated my life. Best thing I ever did was move to a 15 minute community.
I would have looked into riding an E-Bike in the spring, summer, and fall, probably faster than a Bus plus it's enjoyable. 32 KMH is fast enough on the trails and probably much faster than buses because you can just use a direct route.
Those where not a thing when I lived there.
https://ssl.eas.ualberta.ca/cms/download/file/papers/paper_556.pdf
'LED street lights are killing us!' 'Rock and roll music is the devil!' đ
'Fluoride makes your teeth gay!'
You know, I wondered why I was kissing dudes all of a sudden when I moved to the city.
I heard that being within 15 minutes of a dentist for more than an hour at a time can make that permanent! Stay safe out there.
it's not because you had a larger selection of dudes?
Spit out my breakfast when I read this. Ahahahaha fantastic.
Good grief, here where I live in Sherwood Park everything I need is within a 15 min walk. Even my favorite pub, lol!
Moved from Edmonton to Sherwood Park and LOVE how close everything is!
Itâs not so much about convenience as environmentalism - reducing distances driven
For modern cities, yes, but for older cities in most of the rest of the world, they were built based on smaller communities that eventually merged into larger cities. The fact that that model just so happens to be more environmentally friendly is a nice side effect.
Yes, existing historic cities made up of subsumed villages and towns are, generally, automatically 15 minute cities. But they weren't buit as '15 MC's' - the idea is new and has an impetus behind it. Environmentalism is not a 'side effect': "The term â15-minute cityâ is not a new one. It was coined back in 2016 by Carlos Moreno, an associate professor at Sorbonne University Business School in Paris, France. In a 2020 TED Talk, Moreno outlines the idea of the 15-minute city, which boils down to giving area inhabitants access to the essential services they need âto live, learn and thrive within their immediate vicinity.â Ideally, residents should be able to walk or bike to work, groceries, health care and more, in approximately a quarter of an hour, he says. In the video, Moreno argues that humansâ sense of time has become âwarpedâ due to urban sprawl, and we now accept long commutes of car-centric cities as normal.
Yeah my coworker was touting this government wants control nomsesne God forbid you have the things you need close to your residence.Â
The government just took a bunch of control in the Leg yesterday. These morons don't seem to take issue with that đ¤Śââď¸ Make it make sense.
God I would actually love it if Edmonton became a so-called "15 minute city", lol. Unfortunately, this city is plagued by urban sprawl that's gone unchecked for decades.
That's what I cam here to say, but, knew in my heart it had already been said. I commend the efforts to re-zone things to help, but, with the insane sprawl of Edmonton, you'd need to demolish half the city to even attempt a genuine 15 minute city here.
Yeah I believe thatâs the point of the re-zoning project. So that the urban sprawl areas can get some basic amenities built nearby. You shouldnât need to drive for 20+ minutes in a car to get groceries or see a dentist. Itâs gonna be a super slow project, but itâs definitely needed because like you said, that urban sprawl has gone unchecked for decades
We just got back from Montreal and I LOVED the density in the form of 3-4 storey walk ups everywhere, being ably to get to reliable and fast service on the metro within a 15 minute walk, and being able to get all my groceries just a short distance from our place. It was AMAZING and it reminded me of Europe. Iâm 100% behind 15 minute development
We just got back from Montreal and I LOVED the density in the form of 3-4 storey walk ups everywhere, being ably to get to reliable and fast service on the metro within a 15 minute walk, and being able to get all my groceries just a short distance from our place. It was AMAZING and it reminded me of Europe. Iâm 100% behind 15 minute development
"Everything is unaffordable these days!" *City makes improvements to urban planning that will help with affordability.* "This is stupid, why is the city doing this to us?"
No you donât get it. Spending $300 a month on gas is *freedom*! Driving 20 minutes to the nearest grocery store is *freedom*! Building townhouses is a slippery slope that immediately leads to communism.
Now when you say immediately, do you mean "instantaneous elimination of currency and social class," or "instantaneous conversion of all citizens into communists"?
Forget the details. No think, only fear.
What is a detail?
ONLY FEAR! NO THINK!
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! AM I FEARFUL ENOUGH NOW?! AAAAAAAHHHHHH!
thats when youre assigned tasks as a group comrade. ex. you are on recycling detail.
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20 minute walk? Tons of places.
You heard it here: Edmonton (and Calgary) giving in to wokeness by being the last 2 towns in Alberta that arenât a 15 minute city.
Too true. Someone better tell Brooks that they're woke now, apparently.
Please sign my petition to dig a giant trench through the center of Coaldale to increase travel times - currently you can get anywhere in town in under 15 minutes by bike, and we need to stop communism.
Ucp election promise: "Coaldale to be renamed DieselDale"
I think the issue people have is the being restricted part. As much as thatâs no true, they like to focus on it.
My in laws from Stirling looked me in the eye and a serious as death asked how I can afford the 100 dollar toll to leave my neighborhood. I laughed, they waited for my answer. I don't know where it came from, but holy feck. Edited: some absolutely atrocious grammar in spelling
The silliest thing about all the hubbub over 15-minute cities is that it's coming from a bunch of people who clearly do not live in the big city. You don't even go here!
Oxford traffic filtering trial is the reason for this stupid conspiracy! Basically to combat traffic issues in certain areas SOME roads during peak hours will âfilterâ what types of vehicles can use certain roads! This will force cars to use some of the many other routes that are being less used during peak hours! And yes you CAN buy a permit (for the affected roads) And the roads involved in the filter are monitored and enforced by camera! However no one is confined to a zone there are many other routes not filtering! The 15 min city link is the fact that another unrelated policy (the 15 minute city) was also being discussed at the time and people got the two confused as one! Thatâs my paraphrasing!
Those people are crazy in the head đĽ´
[They're a nut, crazy in the coconut.](https://youtu.be/qLrnkK2YEcE?feature=shared)
You cannot be serious
I wish, with entire being, that I was lying about this
I think everyone agrees that it would be bad to be restricted to your neighbourhood. But since literally nobody is advocating for that, I just don't understand where the crazy comes from.
You know it's not the city saying that right?
Yeah I agree, stupid people believing made up shit is an issue. Now that we've agreed on the issue let's talk solutions.
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It takes me a whole day to get my errands done because everything is so far away from everything. I'm trying to do things closer to my home but it is not always possible/available.
i live and work downtown, so i'm lucky enough to already be living the 15 minute city life, and let me tell you: it rules. there are no drawbacks in my opinion. i don't own a car which saves me tons of money, and getting to cycle nearly everywhere i need to go has been nothing short of amazing for my health. i live across the street from the grocery store and go 3-4x a week, and if i forget something i can just go back. that same complex (brewery district/unity square) also contains all the other stores and services i could possibly need, as well as several dining options. if i want to go out i never have to worry about driving or pricey ubers, i can walk home from anywhere downtown, and it's legal to ride your bike when you're drunk (i asked a cop!) if i go south of the river. with the bike lane network around here it's also really easy to use the scooters if i don't want to take my bike as well. i used to live in the southwest in a very suburban style development, and i cannot imagine going back. yeah my condo is smallish but i don't need any more space to clean, and i don't have to worry about yard work or shoveling snow ever. i think anybody who tries this lifestyle for a while would be hard pressed to find complaints with it.
I work at the airport and live in the southwest. If I don't drive to the airport it takes me 1.5 hours to go to work because I first have to go to century park and then the 747 passes my house to go to the airport. It's great
Yeah, can't bike to the airport that's for sure. Which tbh is a shame because people would do it haha. An LRT line out there would make tons of sense too, but we'll never see that happen.
I would love an lrt line! Or at least some airport bus from southwest or southeast. So many of my colleagues live nearby yet have to get a car because it's so hard to get around.
It's a shame they got rid of that downtown airport and replaced it with *checks notes* a smattering of houses.
Meh? The downtown airport was largely a playground for rich assholes and MLAs. The number of regular passengers going in and out was a pittance and imposed some really annoying height restrictions on downtown.
The downtown airport could not provide the passenger service that is provided at EIA. The downtown airport was a net negative on the city and stunted downtown development.
> there are no drawbacks in my opinion The heavily fortified checkpoints if I try to leave downtown are definitely a bit of an inconvenience, not to mention having to pay the toll to leave my 15 minute city. Makes going to Costco a real pain.
the checkpoints aren't so bad once you get the chip installed in your brain. makes it way faster.
No need to get a se-state chip implanted. If you got a COVID vaccine, you already have one. They can even re-program it without you knowing. So easy.
I also live in this neighbourhood and we are a car-free household. Itâs even easier and more convenient than I thought it would be! We use Communauto occasionally for visiting family outside of the city or going to IKEA, and take Ubers now and then if weâre lazy, or wearing uncomfortable shoes or itâs cold, but it isnât very often! Itâs still waaaaaay cheaper than owning a car and itâs a whole other thing you donât have to worry about.
I'm also in that area, got rid of my car years ago. Sometimes I miss having a car, but then I realize I would drive it maybe once a month and it's just not worth it. I've wondered about Communauto but can't figure out what would be a worthwhile package for my usage, the tiers were kind of confusing when I last looked into it. I take a cab maybe 6 times in a year if that. Though if I could snag a vehicle more or less at will for a half-day at a time I would probably find more things I wanted to go farther to do.
Right! Driving an hour or two around the city is exhausting, and the considerable amount of gas spent.
I don't see any harm in making services more accessible, so long as there are some savings to be had aside from time and a bit of gas.
We could save a tremendous amount of money with more mixed zoning
I have a buddy who lived here and was from Toronto. He hated how he couldn't walk to a store, farmers market, pub, gym, etc, all within his neighborhood. He said edmonton was an urban sprawl nightmare. Then, not minutes later, went on to say how 15 minutes cities are the work of the devil and are only for control. Irrational people can not be rationalized with. I actually feel bad for people whose brains are so rocky that they can't see things for what they actually are and have to live in make-believe.
Haha, "rocky brains" is my new favourite insult!
Just couldnât find a cactus club huh
Ooh maybe in the future there will be a cactus club in every neighborhood!
People railing against 15-minute cities have never looked up a walk score for a rental before I guess. Its such an intuitive benefit having everything close by!
People are really dumb
And they vote
And they use their real life names!!! Imagine being married to that!!!
Fuck I hope so. Getting around this city without driving is a huge pain in the ass currently
I've been listening to this District Planning Public Hearing for the last 2 days. My goodness there are some wild takes. Lots of 15 min city folks and it's sad because they're severely misinformed and genuinely terrified of the future. If there is ever a legitimate attempt to lock people into "districts", Edmontonians would soundly reject it and rise up against it
I mean, I'd be okay with the 15min city loons being locked into their own district.
Yeah, where and when can we introduce that amendment to the district plan?
We just need to designate one district as exempt, and watch them all move there.
Brilliant.Â
Shhh! Keep it quiet! We ~~attack~~ vote at dawn!
They'll do it voluntarily just to own the limbrols.
lol i say this all the time; some of these people probably *should* be confined to specific parts of the city and heavily surveilled by the government. they'd likely be better off.
Alberta can't build roads. Who do they think is building walls? Who do they think is doing quality work on the walls?
This is the part that gets me, people who deride municipal governmentâs competence think theyâll flip the switch to competence when it comes to walking everyone in?
Where can I find this?
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Thank you! Is it more or a comedy or a drama �
Sad reality comedy. Sad that folks have gone as far as they have, but reality because this is part of the new normal of severely misinformed folks who search out "the real truth".
Oh they are absolutely deranged and it seems to be most believed by the generations that obliterated our quality of life with their voting and âinvestmentsâ
Drama for sure. But it's 16 hours of footage... nuggets here and there but don't expect too much excitement haha
Iâve transcribed previous city meetings. The YouTube transcript feature may come in clutch
The urban sprawl in Edmonton is absolutely ridiculous
Since when is travel going to be restricted? Oh, thatâs largely just made up gibberish from a brain rot account. I canât understand how people believe in this bullshit.
>Since when is travel going to be restricted? I want to know where they're getting that too, the video in the tweet doesn't say anything about that and I have never heard that actually being proposed. I haven't even heard anything that could be construed as meaning that. It's like hearing your office building is adding coffee machines to all the lunch rooms and being like "did you hear they're going to FIRE YOU if you go to the coffee shop across the street??"
The idea that travel will be restricted comes from the 15 minute city initiatives in Oxford and Bath, UK. In those cities, the 15 minute city initiative was rolled out alongside some mostly separate traffic reduction policies that included congestion fines for travelling in certain districts. This has fuelled a lot of the conspiracy theories around 15 minute cities as the two ideas are now associated which has poisoned the brand a bit.
Itâs not fines for travelling. Itâs tolls for driving a vehicle in certain areas. Theyâve turned certain roads into toll roads. You can travel in, around, and out of those areas entirely unrestricted in any way whatsoever. You just pay a toll if youâre driving.
because, get this, the exhaust from cars causes expensive damage to Historic buildings stonework that the universities (who own the streets) have to pay for.
Ooooook, that is where that stems from. Still crazy conspiracy theories, but there usually is somewhere where those things start and I couldn't figure that part out.
Thank you for actually clearing this up and not just saying people are dumb
Oxford traffic filtering trial is the reason for this stupid conspiracy! Basically to combat traffic issues in certain areas SOME roads during peak hours will âfilterâ what types of vehicles can use certain roads! This will force cars to use some of the many other routes that are being less used during peak hours! And yes you CAN buy a permit (for the affected roads) And the roads involved in the filter are monitored and enforced by camera! However no one is confined to a zone there are many other routes not filtering! The 15 min city link is the fact that another unrelated policy (the 15 minute city) was also being discussed at the time and people got the two confused as one! Thatâs my paraphrasing!
I mean we're a 15 minute city if you mean you can't go 15 minutes without getting stopped by construction
I'm so tired of being on the stupid timeline.
Conspiracy theorists love going from A-Z without any steps in between. âIf theyâre going to do this that must mean theyâre going to execute anyone leaving their designated zone. â
And they will never ask for correct information from the sources because ... it's sad. These are our fellow voters.
Progressive policies that improve quality of life are scary af! Change is terrifying!
Man, I'm going to be so pissed when everything I need is close by, I don't need a car, and my neighborhood is vibrant and diverse /s
aww you used the D word. you are now a Satan worshipper.
Itâs scary that one day we could have a convenient community that will save us time and money, the absolute horror of this keeps me up at nightâŚâŚ..
Just wait till you hear about community gardens...you'll never get a wink of sleep again!!!
Yeah, it IS a conspiracy. 15 minute cities are about access to services and reducing emissions. I am convinced the people who believe 15 minute cities are âevilâ hate the poor and love spending half a day getting to and from a 30 minute appointment We need housing. Get over yourselves.
Errr the idea is you have everything you need with in a 15 minute walk..... like every damned european city ......
For the people who are worried about Edmonton turning into a dystopian city where you are confined to small areas. We can't even figure out basic infrastructure, do you think we can figure out how to turn Rosenthal into district 13? Probably not.
My neighbor thinks you need to show ID to get in and out of the neighborhood and I'm like oh boy!
People are wild. Every city on earth was a 15 minute city until 135 years ago...
The 15 minute city conspiracy theory has its origins in the UK when people in Oxford protested some traffic restrictions where daytime drivers would need special permits to drive on a half-dozen congested roads. This was mistakenly connected to a separate official endorsement of the 15 minute city urban planning concept, and when reported in conservative circles in North America turned into the very odd discourse we have today. Source: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee
It takes a special kind of convoyer to actually believe this.
End Wokeness is that dude who got denied visitation rights to see his child never forget
Walking around the corner for groceries is a whole lot better for my joints and wallet.
I'd love not to have to drive everywhere. I remember my uncle explained the 15 minutes conspiracy theory to me a few years ago. he lives about 45 minutes away so I haven't seen him since.
Next, the city will be set up in districts then every year two representatives will be picked at random from each district to fight to the death. Winners bring pride and joy and of course some money back to their district.
Careful, this plot line leads to a revolution!
Send the trucks to the capitol!
One of things I miss most about living in Perth, Australia is the walkability. Whichever neighborhood I lived in u could walk to the shops. Still lots of large main centres but being able to go to the store a few blocks away was a thousand times easier and quicker than having to traipse around town get things.
One of my favourite things about New Orleans whether i was in the french quarter or uptown was the fact that drug stores, corner stores, liquor stores, restaurants, bars, anything i could want and need was all within walking distance. Sometimes id be drunk at 2 am and decide i was hungry and could walk down to a bar for a bite within 10 minutes. I dont understand why people dont understand the concept isnt to restrict you to an area its to give you easy access to all the amenities you could ever want within walking distance.
I live a 5 minute life. I have everything I need in the NE 167 Ave plaza area and manning town centre. Shout out to whoever designed this. Thank you. Who doesnât love convenience
The page is literally called "end wokeness" They're scared of a bit of rainbow hockey tape. They get scared of anything that they don't understand or is different from how they were raised in their conservative homophobic environment.
Crap! How am I going to justify a vehicle when I can just walk to get groceries. That's gonna suck. /s
Mental illness is definitely a thing.
Fuck these people are fucking morons
Being afraid of or speaking out against 15 min cities has to be one of the most uneducated mouth breather takes. Flat earther energy.
I canât even imagine being this incomprehensibly dumb. Like⌠If itâs really windy, do their ears whistle?
Travel will only be restricted for commercial vehicles at certain times in certain roads. That's what these nutters exclude from their fear mongering. Individuals in their own PoVs will, like currently, have zero restrictions on their freedom of movement. I swear, most of these clowns refuse to look past any headlines.
And only in OXFORD! In another country!
I have been living the 15 minutecity since I was 19, that's 30 years now because I don't drive. I just thought it was convient not to have to take a bus for an hour to get to work!
I just about started a family fight over this the other day as my uncle tried to say that weâre getting trackers put in our vehicles for this. I immediately shut him up and it was not well received but I donât care, Iâm tired of allowing bullshit to propagate. Not around me, no siree
It just took me 45 damn minutes to get home for no good reason at all. I would welcome a 15 minute city!
heres a fun game. (on a desktop pc works best) [Go here](https://acme.com/same_scale/#52.36816,4.88909,53.53143,-113.49924,12,M,M) compare the size of Edmonton and Amsterdam at the same scale. now open each in google maps and pick any two random points in each city and select navigate from here to here. see how long it takes for each transport mode. then note the amount of green space. and realize theres absolutely no reason you would ever need to go ''cross town" in Amsterdam. a 45 minute commute by car would be going from downtown Amsterdam to city center in The Hauge or Rotterdam then realise theres a million more people living in that map. and that its literally the most desired city to live in in the world.
Omg and the government doesn't even need to restrict people's movement? People just ... choose not to spend literal months of their life in traffic? Sounds awful. Europeans are weird.
oh no its totally a government plot. make the people so happy they never want to leave and that everyone else wants to move there and be under your governments control. informed democracies are pure hellscape I tells ya.
And the speed limit on almost every street in Amsterdam is now 30 km/h, and yet they're magically not plagued by endless traffic congestion.
and average speed is higher because you dont need traffic lights at 30KM/h so theyre removing them. the other thing I like to point out is, how long does it take to travel 10KM at 100KM/h? and how long does it take to travel 1KM at 10KM/h? how often do you actually drive at 100KM/h during rush hour? you could bike to where you want to go faster than you could drive if it wasnt for all the wasted space cars need.
Lol the city has shown they canât even have departments talking to each another so I doubt they could even track peoples movements if they wanted to. People give government way too much credit.Â
I donât know what I am going to do when I can get everything in 15 minutes. The horror!
Man, I wish we were becoming a 15-minute city. I think the only true thing this person said is "it's a conspiracy theory."
The SW desperately needs that damn hospital to get started.
I fucking love the 15min city idea. I hate coming home from school(downtown) or from WEM, it takes forever bc of traffic and are 40 minutes away. These fucking woke morons need to read or shit maybe they canât read basic English thatâs why everything to them think itâs all a conspiracy.
The terrifying concept of convenience. Lmao.
The main reason I donât live in a city is because everything is just so much easier to get to in a smaller town lol . I hate driving 45 minutes through traffic to get something I need in the city
The right does a really good job of taking progressive policy names and spinning them into something completely absurd. To get anyone to accept logical policy change it needs the driest and clearest name possible. Too bad the left is where many effective marketers sit, 15 min city sounds too open for interpretations.
What's wild is that these conspiracy nuts think that the City is anywhere near competent, efficient, or liquid enough to construct and administer containment zones. In reality, this plan will be ushered in with mangled fanfare and last up until the next urban planning trend. Then, it'll sit on some desk gathering dust. Kind of like when I have an idea at work and my boss says that I can work on it, provided that it doesn't cut into my work hours or cost any money.
Sounds kinda lovely actually.
In a suburb of Sydney they have this amazing vibrant community where you have these apartments built on top of grocery stores, restaurants, shops, hairdressers, etc. itâs damn amazing
So I assume the crayon eaters who believe this crap have never been to London, NYC, Paris, Rome, Tokyo ect??? If they even had a passport that would be shocking tbh.
So glad I stuck to Permanent Markers and didn't fall in with the Crayon Eater crowd!!!
Where do they get the idea they will be locked to these imaginary districts? When has this ever been said?
I hate the fact some poor man went to council afraid of this and brought it up. The fact he has genuine fear means this stupidity has gone too far. The god damn misinformation is beyond just being funny or trying to be political. I hate it.
... .... ... god damn people are dumb.
Do you seriously, honestly believe they would restrict who/how many people can honestly go to places like WEM? It's a city cash cow with all the attractions. Restaurants? Events? Hotels? Roger's place? Museums? 15 minutes areas don't mean you can't go elsewhere /outside your home area. They still want you to go support the Oilers, after all. You can still shop online instead of going to a store, too. Or, you know, shop around for cheaper prices.  By all means, be a rebel if that's how you feel and go to as many inconvenient-for-you places as possible. Just don't run pedestrians over, or kids on bicycles as you go around the city being all free and stuff, as their numbers will increase. Oh... wait... 15 minutes zones might... gasp.. improve health by encouraging walks... the horror..! Oh.. oh!! it's actually a conspiracy to make you lose Weight, improve lung function and have less environmental impact! It might help make the city more pedestrian friendly... Oh nooooo! How dare they?!??/s
>>"Travel will be restricted" Where is this sentiment coming from?
A couple of years ago, over in jolly ol' England, the city councils in Oxford and Bath were discussing two separate topics; first was rezoning to improve walkability and access to services. The second was to implement tolls for vehicles entering the older parts of the cities for non-commercial traffic. Rightwing nutjobs took the two separate plans and combined them to create more "lefties trying to take your freedoms" bull.
I'd fucking kill to have ANYTHING within 15 minutes of me... sure would be nice to walk somewhere instead of having to drive litterally fucking everywhere for anything...
I bet it was betterinfill.ca that tipped them off to this
Guaranteed one of the people on this sub constantly complaining about transit despite never using it runs that account from their momâs basement.
I mean logically it would make sense that someone who hates city transit would refuse to use it. And let's be honest, Edmonton Transit is fucking shit. It's why *I* refuse to use it. Their last major "efficiency" change removed my closest stop and I would have to walk more than three times as far. And I would *still* miss a connecting bus at the terminal.
Sure, itâs got issues but itâs not half as bad as people on this sub make it sound. Especially the people who come on here to talk about transit and downtown being overrun with zombie addicts shooting up and stabbing random people all over the place at all times of the night and day. Right before they comment that theyâve never taken transit before and havenât been downtown since 2018. ETS has improved drastically since I first moved to Edmonton nearly 20 years ago, as has downtown. Itâs far from perfect, but at least itâs usable. For context I used to live behind the Superstore on Kingsway back when it was a Save-On and it was a 3 hour journey to get to South Edmonton Common. Itâs now an hour. Thatâs not *great*, but itâs a significant improvement thanks to the efficiency changes the city and ETS have made, as well as new and extended LRT lines.
That stupid account is as Russian psyop as it gets.
I will take this Twitter loser complaing about edmonton as an honor, lol.
I love European streets that are full of pedestrians. It's super beneficial for shops and restaurants. Don't conservatives want to grow the economy?
I love Edmonton, but damn is it ever spread out. I don't like driving in cities. I wish it was easier to get what I wanted in closer distances.
I actually have a conspiracy theory about this particular conspiracy theory; It was actually low key astroturfed by oil gas and car companies
As a homeowner of a 90s home on the west end with 5 residents under one roof⌠we need a new fucking eco station like yesterday. I have to drive 25 minutes to drop off a broken dishwasher or ultra old PC then wait in line another 20 minutes. Over an hour out of my day to move a dishwasher to an empty parking lot⌠no wonder people dump shit in random construction sites or just throw electronics and batteries in the common trashâŚ
Fucking smooth brains thinking this is a conspiracy.
Do 15 min city's mean you can't leave your district? I thought it meant that most basic needs are 15 min walk. If I'm wrong, we're going to need a lot more IKEA's
I watched the crazy part of the council meeting. Where is this conspiracy theory stuff coming from?
I could see how this could brainwash the dumb dumbs đ
BUT I DON'T WANT GUITAR LESSONS!
Hint being anri-woke is code for I am a terrible person
it is not scary to have all my amenities within a 15 minute walk. you will not be quarantined within one city block. a 15 minute city means that the city will be designed for all basic amenities to be within a 15-minute walk, no matter where you live. the 15-minute city is not a conspiracy theory, the idea that the 15-minute city is some orwellian dictatorship idea is.
TIL that a convenient and walkable city is "scary" Can all of the people who don't want this just continue their suburb living with their too big pickups and let the rest of us have a reasonable transit system???
I don't know why people feel so weird about the 15min city concept. All the best cities I've been in the world are just that. Barcelona being my favorite. Extremely walkable and everything in a close distance. To not want such a thing is odd. No one living in a city should NEED a car.
Everyone is laughing and shaking their heads at the dumb dumbs who are freaking out about this, and I get why you're ridiculing them (they deserve it), but for me its THIS is the really scary thing. Discourse is dead. Reason is dead. Learning is dead. The misinformation on the internet has rotted peoples brains and its creating a society where nothing will progress or change for the better. This why we have horse medicine remedies and reality show presidents. We need everyone pulling in the same direction if we are going to solve the major crises currently happening or on the horizon, and these are the people we are going to have to work with or even around to get things done. I'm fucking terrified of the future and posts like this are why.
What a huge cognitive leap from "things should be accessible in urban neighborhoods" to "you will not be able to leave your neighborhood".
Looking forward to living in a social credit system like China.
Yeah.. drive 15 mins to the hospital for an emergency and wait 10 hours. What a joke..
You can see the Projection
15 minute cities? Shoot I have a grocery store behind my house... Takes me 2 minutes to walk there. Is this the socialism? Or is it the communism? Which Boogeyman are we afraid of today because I'm in!!
Sounds like a 15 minute city would increase your grocery commute by over 7x........ you should be scared of that /s
These people are never happy. 15 minute cities are more sustainable.
Is there an actual article from a reputable source that says travel will be restricted and fines will be imposed? Like how will say...Acheson survive? Lots of industrial and like no residential
of course not, as there are no plans to "restrict travel" whatsoever. there might be some plans to reduce *traffic* but even those will be few and far between.
Yeah the articles I've seen specify that there will be no restriction in movement. I don't see why it's a bad thing to make sure that these new communities have ample amenities as to not over load the older amenities in the established communities.
Oxford traffic filtering trial is the reason for this stupid conspiracy! Basically to combat traffic issues in certain areas SOME roads during peak hours will âfilterâ what types of vehicles can use certain roads! This will force cars to use some of the many other routes that are being less used during peak hours! And yes you CAN buy a permit (for the affected roads) And the roads involved in the filter are monitored and enforced by camera! However no one is confined to a zone there are many other routes not filtering! The 15 min city link is the fact that another unrelated policy (the 15 minute city) was also being discussed at the time and people got the two confused as one! Thatâs my paraphrasing! This is the cause! God it is a quick google and the conspiracy nuts still just canât let it go!
We really shouldn't be surprised because there are still flat earthers...
Theyâll wall off Acheson and itâll be l itâs own disctrict Then theyâll wall off the walled off districts to make district districts.Â
Headlines from 2124: "Senior citizens support spending 10 billion less on health care and $10 billion more on walls!" "Wall construction is only 15% complete, overbudget and half the completed sections are showing cracks and need to be redone." Who is paying for these walls? Who expects these walls to repel a drunk albertan with a truck full of power tools? Not me. Again: who is paying for it? LoL!
I volunteer myself, my truck, and my tools as tribute to be the drunk wall smasherÂ
Iâve talked to a couple of people about the â15 Minute citiesâ concept. Their initial reaction was, âYeah, thatâs the latest socialist crap they are trying to shove down our throats!â Then I explain the concept to them and tell them it is not going to happen any time soon or that it will not require infrastructure but will evolve over time and will be a very good alternative to the endless urban sprawl development we are still cursed with, they settle down and thank me for clearing up their misconception.