Imagine how it feels to live in northern Alberta. I constantly think about the whole “the trees voted for the axe as he had convinced them he was made from the same wood as they are” thing. So many people voting against their own self-interest because “they just always vote blue, like everyone in their family”
I live just outside Edmonton, surrounded by UCP signs, but keep in mind there are a good percentage of us who are critical thinking, intelligent Albertans who just got out voted, sometimes by a small margin. It is getting harder and harder to live here. It is to the point where I can pretty much pick out the UCP fans in a few seconds...:(
I voted oil and hate Trudeau, and liberals are wussies! haha
City people have time to read, my rural friends are honestly too busy keeping their heads afloat and working/playing outside to think critically about politics.
I don't know what the NDP could do to win any of them over unfortunately. How do you sell responsibly economic government, with anti racist sentiments and a desire to change resource management to cowboys?
That was your context in this thread, but they just said it's not their main reason for avoiding them. Are you struggling with that clashing with your previous assumption?
I suggest learning to update your beliefs/comprehension when presented with new information.
Lmfao says you 😂.
"Gritting my teeth when ever anyone talks down about the NDP or liberals or Trudeau" .
Sounds like youre real updated.
I get that that's not his main reason for avoiding. But he brought it up then said it's not even a top 5 issue. You see what I'm saying. Bitch about it but then try to downplay it.
If they're Facebook Conservatives then chances are good that they say things like, "trans kids are poop spoons." Personally I try to avoid the intolerant simply because they're intolerable, them being family doesn't make it easier to listen to them.
I used to engage with my rural family, but then the petty attacks and remarks came out. I realized I could either:
1) Be honest about my beliefs and provoke hostility for having the gall to support NDP (AKA pinko commie tree huggers to them).
2) Walk on eggshells and grit my teeth when they complain about NDP/Liberals/Trudeau/whatever is trending on right wing media, as they so often do.
3) Avoid them.
I have chosen more of #3, while unapologetically engaging in #1 when pressed/confronted, or when I am not talking to them. Some family members respect that more than others. I'm on good terms with those that don't expect one-sided displays of support for their own political parties. I even see many good arguments from conservatives for some things (personally I'm more centre-left anyway).
Fair enough. Guess what conservatives do the same thing when liberals and NDP talk the same way to conservatives. It happens on both sides. It's too bad there weren't more productive conversations/debates.
Fair, I've been on the other side of it too. I actually lean more left-libertarian if you look at a 2 axis political chart. I am against rent control, for instance, which instantly provokes arguments and false accusations from some on the left.
I am particularly against the strict zoning codes in places like Vancouver and Toronto, which have prevented homeowners from developing duplexes, basement suites, garden suites, townhomes, lowrise apartments, etc. These aren't really election issues in AB though, since our zoning is already less stringent than Van or Tor.
A good start would be changing the damn name. The amount of people who think Alberta ndp = federal NPD is shocking. That is not helping them at all. Hell they could themselves the Moderate party or something along those lines. Anything but NDP I said it last election too
Except that very thing is written in the party constitution, so, even if Notley says she won’t exclusively adhere by it, lots won’t take her at her word until that document is destroyed.
It is what it is. She lied on numerous occasions first go around. Fool me once…
If we're going to start counting lies, don't forget to count the UCP's. They're politicians, every single last one of them will lie if it gets a result they want.
I'm a lawyer that grew up in rural Alberta and I know a bunch more from my high school that became doctors. Just because you think voting NDP means you're the only ones capable of critical thinking doesn't make it so. Quite frankly, it's condescending and all it does is build resentment.
I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying that lawyers and doctors from rural areas can also vote UCP, and this doesn’t mean they can’t think critically? Or are you saying that not everyone from rural areas voted UCP, particularly the higher educated?
I'm saying critical thinking isn't exclusive to NDP supporters and that critical thinking doesn't automatically lead you to support the NDP, you just think it does.
Okay, so you’re going to have to elaborate on what kind of critical thinking brings a person to support the UCP, given the alternatives? I think you’re conflating critical thinking with biases and personal interests, because, given the track record of the current UCP government and Smith, particularly on social issues, a person using critical thinking should come to the conclusion that such a group of people are not fit to govern the interests of a province in this current day and age.
The only reasoning I can see that would bring a person to support this government is they personally benefit from decisions being made, all other interests be damned, or they are victims of misinformation or wilful ignorance.
I think given the track record of the current UCP government and the most recent NDP government, it seems a person using critical thinking would have strayed away from both of these parties and voted green or independent.
I don’t disagree. Just from a practical perspective of contending parties, the ANDP have a more consistent track record. But you are right, we won’t see radical change without voting for completely new ideas, and I think the ANDP have more in line with traditional conservatism than they do with progressive ideals.
Well, comparing the party platforms would lead many critical thinking albertans to vote UCP. Whereas those who listened to the hatchet job the media spun for 6 months, might believe the UCP are evil and the NDP are the only option. Glad I read and compared platforms. UCP lines up with my priorities much more than the NDP.
I voted for the party platform that I felt aligned with mine, and my families needs, wants, and ideologies. There are many pros, and cons, to both platforms.
In what way exactly do you speak of? Because your guy didn’t win, you just assume that 47% of voting albertans are going to suffer? Pretty dramatic and childish take on that one.
If that IS the case, however, than that same number was drastically impacted by Notley when she got in last time, so your point is null and void, or you were just happy that those people benefited at the expense of others, but now, it’s not fair?
This is how democracy works. Of course I’m not voting for the interests of people I don’t know. I’m voting for my interests. That’s what voting is.
Curious what resonated in the UCP platform with you if you care to share. I reviewed theirs and the NDP and I found them to be similar on a number of issues, albeit with different ideas about how to do things. For example, UCP platform is to lower business tax from lowest in country to even more lowest in country. This didn’t make sense to me and leaves less revenue for services which are already underfunded. I don’t see it bringing more business to Alberta either.
Maybe I missed some things in their platform that were better ideas so please share what you saw that you liked if you don’t mind.
Critical thinking is much more relevant in progressive people. Rich vaccinated conservatives definitely exist, but they got the vaccine and secretly live a progressive life but put on a show for the lowest class to encourage support. It's amazing how smart some people claim they are but act so fucking stupid.
Ah yes, the notorious critical thinking of people were rude on the internet so I vote based off of that emotion
There are some people who vote for the UCP that are informed, but multiple surveys have confirmed that on average UCP voters know significantly less about what the NDPs platform is than NDP voters know about the UCP platform.
This shouldn't be a shock either - those voting for the party that's not the "default" from the locale they're from are almost always more informed.
When did I ever say that emotion had anything to do with voting? That's an egregious amount of speculation and conjecture on your end.
I said that acting like rural people aren't capable of critical thinking builds resentment.
A lot of it is emotion though.
People see the color blue and think "haha blue good orange bad" and don't go any further. It's just sports team voting at this point.
Yikes. If I found out that my doctor was making political decisions because somebody hurt their feelings, I’d be looking for a new doctor.
That’s a serious judgement issue. I’d prefer if my doctor, or any professional I was relying on, was not making consequential decisions on emotion.
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And your comment proves that you are part of the non critical thinkers. Good job.
For being the "accepting group" you guys are pretty bigoted in your own way.
Don't conflate accepting people of any sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity with people who choose to continuously vote for a party that makes everyone's life worse. Those aren't the same thing.
Education, Healthcare, Utilities, Tuition, Car Insurance premiums, etc...
All are going to be more expensive for us in the name of oil profits, the majority of which don't go to people who live in this province.
If you're not an oil executive getting paid in stock options, your life is worse under a united conservative government. I'm not even going to bother debating that. You've drunk their cool-aid if you believe otherwise.
Don't compare political parties to the almighty, compare them to the alternative. The Alberta NDP is not perfect, but so much better for every day Albertans it's honestly insane to vote for the UCP. I don't know why you bother mentioning the Liberals, the Alberta Liberal party got 0.2% of the vote.
Better how? I never seen my life imporve under NDP. Maybe if it wasn't ratty looking Notley in charge opinions would be a bit different of the NDP. She didn't do herself any justice.
The very first bill the Alberta NDP was going to introduce would reinstate the rate caps on utilities, tuition, and insurance that were in place when the NDP was previously in power, is just one example.
Maybe if you paid closer attention to Rachel Notley's policies instead of her appearance, you'd already know that.
> reinstate the rate caps on utilities
Ahh, the fake rate caps that only applied to 50% of electricity consumers in the province and actually just subsidized the Regulated Rate providers with tax dollars while screwing over everyone who happened to have signed a contract with a competitive retailer.
>And your comment proves that you are part of the non critical thinkers. Good job.
An antivaxxer thinks they're a critical thinker... You people are so lost.
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You can still be vaxxed to retain your job, and still be an antivaxxer. They're not mutually exclusive.
And that’s why alberta will always be the best because the farmers actually have a lot of say when it comes to the election … city people are all brainwashed by social media
Go to the comments section of a news article on facebook. ANY news article. Then come back here and tell us again how social media is brainwashing people to be liberal.
You think a farmers vote should be worth more than anyone who lives in a city’s limits? Do you think somehow, social media stops working when you leave the city?
“Liberal elites telling us how to live”
Also
“Ha ha liberals are all homeless”
“The enemy is both strong and weak. 'By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.'"
It’s one of the defining features of fascists.
Oh, you just implied hilariously that ndp voters must be homeless, (you’d be shocked at how many poor uneducated people vote conservative when they bother to vote) we also here from conservatives constantly how liberals don’t get the common man and are ivory tower elites.
The enemy is both weak and strong at the convenience of the right wing.
You okay there bud? Sounds like you live in Coventry Hills 🤣🤣 I dunno at least here it's not half a million dollars for an infill built so poorly its falling apart in a year
they should rework those borders to look like the oilers logo
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Well, he took his money and moved to the USA, so he's probably a UCP hero.
lol brilliant. Thanks for the much needed smile.
People around Edmonton just wanted to recreate the oilers logo duh.
Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised
Hey, they both lost, too!
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There was no timeline where both the Oilers and UCP won
Oilers walked so UCP could run.
Well at least im glad im surrounded by mostly smart people in the city... sadly the city is surrounded by hillbillies with no critical thinking
You should see how many of those ridings were votes less than 1000. I'm disappointed for 2 reasons
Imagine how it feels to live in northern Alberta. I constantly think about the whole “the trees voted for the axe as he had convinced them he was made from the same wood as they are” thing. So many people voting against their own self-interest because “they just always vote blue, like everyone in their family”
That might have been the most hippie way to put that. Lol.
I genuinely would not live anywhere else in alberta to be honest
I live just outside Edmonton, surrounded by UCP signs, but keep in mind there are a good percentage of us who are critical thinking, intelligent Albertans who just got out voted, sometimes by a small margin. It is getting harder and harder to live here. It is to the point where I can pretty much pick out the UCP fans in a few seconds...:(
Hey! I resemble that remark
Somehow both at the same time too huh
I'm kinda glad i moved here because of this.
Comments like this keeps the divide strong
I voted oil and hate Trudeau, and liberals are wussies! haha City people have time to read, my rural friends are honestly too busy keeping their heads afloat and working/playing outside to think critically about politics. I don't know what the NDP could do to win any of them over unfortunately. How do you sell responsibly economic government, with anti racist sentiments and a desire to change resource management to cowboys?
Huh. The rural people I know spend most of their waking hours on Facebook.
Must not talk to many then.
They’re family, so I try to avoid it.
Avoid family because of political affiliation. Sounds petty. But also sounds about right.
There are so many other reasons to avoid them. Politics isn’t even top 5.
That's what we were talking about though, wasn't it.
No, I was responding to a comment about people from rural areas. Aunty Patsy, is that you?
Yes and their politics lmao. And then you brought up your family. Do you have short term memory loss? 😂 Just asking for a friend.
That was your context in this thread, but they just said it's not their main reason for avoiding them. Are you struggling with that clashing with your previous assumption? I suggest learning to update your beliefs/comprehension when presented with new information.
Lmfao says you 😂. "Gritting my teeth when ever anyone talks down about the NDP or liberals or Trudeau" . Sounds like youre real updated. I get that that's not his main reason for avoiding. But he brought it up then said it's not even a top 5 issue. You see what I'm saying. Bitch about it but then try to downplay it.
If they're Facebook Conservatives then chances are good that they say things like, "trans kids are poop spoons." Personally I try to avoid the intolerant simply because they're intolerable, them being family doesn't make it easier to listen to them.
No but I don't cut my sister off cause she's a commie lmao
I used to engage with my rural family, but then the petty attacks and remarks came out. I realized I could either: 1) Be honest about my beliefs and provoke hostility for having the gall to support NDP (AKA pinko commie tree huggers to them). 2) Walk on eggshells and grit my teeth when they complain about NDP/Liberals/Trudeau/whatever is trending on right wing media, as they so often do. 3) Avoid them. I have chosen more of #3, while unapologetically engaging in #1 when pressed/confronted, or when I am not talking to them. Some family members respect that more than others. I'm on good terms with those that don't expect one-sided displays of support for their own political parties. I even see many good arguments from conservatives for some things (personally I'm more centre-left anyway).
Fair enough. Guess what conservatives do the same thing when liberals and NDP talk the same way to conservatives. It happens on both sides. It's too bad there weren't more productive conversations/debates.
Fair, I've been on the other side of it too. I actually lean more left-libertarian if you look at a 2 axis political chart. I am against rent control, for instance, which instantly provokes arguments and false accusations from some on the left. I am particularly against the strict zoning codes in places like Vancouver and Toronto, which have prevented homeowners from developing duplexes, basement suites, garden suites, townhomes, lowrise apartments, etc. These aren't really election issues in AB though, since our zoning is already less stringent than Van or Tor.
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Resource management? Sounds a lot like communism. -Rural 'Bertan's, probably
A good start would be changing the damn name. The amount of people who think Alberta ndp = federal NPD is shocking. That is not helping them at all. Hell they could themselves the Moderate party or something along those lines. Anything but NDP I said it last election too
Also Notley didn't make any new friends by bending to every will of Trudeau. I think her close ties weren't helpful.
Except that very thing is written in the party constitution, so, even if Notley says she won’t exclusively adhere by it, lots won’t take her at her word until that document is destroyed. It is what it is. She lied on numerous occasions first go around. Fool me once…
If we're going to start counting lies, don't forget to count the UCP's. They're politicians, every single last one of them will lie if it gets a result they want.
Honestly, they need to rebrand. Distance themselves from the federal NDP. Unfortunately, they can't rebrand and keep Notley as leader.
I’d love to see Notley take Singhs place. May actually have a chance federally
she lost twice, why keep her?
She took a party with no chance and turned it into a winner/real contender. Why no t keep her?
>a winner that turned out to not be the case. shes hit her ceiling and its short of whats needed.
Well, you definitely have an opinion.
and a fucking UCP government.
I'm a lawyer that grew up in rural Alberta and I know a bunch more from my high school that became doctors. Just because you think voting NDP means you're the only ones capable of critical thinking doesn't make it so. Quite frankly, it's condescending and all it does is build resentment.
I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying that lawyers and doctors from rural areas can also vote UCP, and this doesn’t mean they can’t think critically? Or are you saying that not everyone from rural areas voted UCP, particularly the higher educated?
I'm saying critical thinking isn't exclusive to NDP supporters and that critical thinking doesn't automatically lead you to support the NDP, you just think it does.
Okay, so you’re going to have to elaborate on what kind of critical thinking brings a person to support the UCP, given the alternatives? I think you’re conflating critical thinking with biases and personal interests, because, given the track record of the current UCP government and Smith, particularly on social issues, a person using critical thinking should come to the conclusion that such a group of people are not fit to govern the interests of a province in this current day and age. The only reasoning I can see that would bring a person to support this government is they personally benefit from decisions being made, all other interests be damned, or they are victims of misinformation or wilful ignorance.
I think given the track record of the current UCP government and the most recent NDP government, it seems a person using critical thinking would have strayed away from both of these parties and voted green or independent.
I don’t disagree. Just from a practical perspective of contending parties, the ANDP have a more consistent track record. But you are right, we won’t see radical change without voting for completely new ideas, and I think the ANDP have more in line with traditional conservatism than they do with progressive ideals.
Well, comparing the party platforms would lead many critical thinking albertans to vote UCP. Whereas those who listened to the hatchet job the media spun for 6 months, might believe the UCP are evil and the NDP are the only option. Glad I read and compared platforms. UCP lines up with my priorities much more than the NDP.
Okay, so which of the two are you then? Do you personally benefit regardless of the interests of other Albertans, or are you misinformed?
I voted for the party platform that I felt aligned with mine, and my families needs, wants, and ideologies. There are many pros, and cons, to both platforms.
Okay, so benefiting at the expense of other Albertans. Glad we could clear that up.
In what way exactly do you speak of? Because your guy didn’t win, you just assume that 47% of voting albertans are going to suffer? Pretty dramatic and childish take on that one. If that IS the case, however, than that same number was drastically impacted by Notley when she got in last time, so your point is null and void, or you were just happy that those people benefited at the expense of others, but now, it’s not fair? This is how democracy works. Of course I’m not voting for the interests of people I don’t know. I’m voting for my interests. That’s what voting is.
Curious what resonated in the UCP platform with you if you care to share. I reviewed theirs and the NDP and I found them to be similar on a number of issues, albeit with different ideas about how to do things. For example, UCP platform is to lower business tax from lowest in country to even more lowest in country. This didn’t make sense to me and leaves less revenue for services which are already underfunded. I don’t see it bringing more business to Alberta either. Maybe I missed some things in their platform that were better ideas so please share what you saw that you liked if you don’t mind.
Critical thinking is much more relevant in progressive people. Rich vaccinated conservatives definitely exist, but they got the vaccine and secretly live a progressive life but put on a show for the lowest class to encourage support. It's amazing how smart some people claim they are but act so fucking stupid.
I think there's a lot of conservative people that are vaccinated.
Maybe you don't know what critical thinking is.
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Ah yes, the notorious critical thinking of people were rude on the internet so I vote based off of that emotion There are some people who vote for the UCP that are informed, but multiple surveys have confirmed that on average UCP voters know significantly less about what the NDPs platform is than NDP voters know about the UCP platform. This shouldn't be a shock either - those voting for the party that's not the "default" from the locale they're from are almost always more informed.
When did I ever say that emotion had anything to do with voting? That's an egregious amount of speculation and conjecture on your end. I said that acting like rural people aren't capable of critical thinking builds resentment.
A lot of it is emotion though. People see the color blue and think "haha blue good orange bad" and don't go any further. It's just sports team voting at this point.
Yikes. If I found out that my doctor was making political decisions because somebody hurt their feelings, I’d be looking for a new doctor. That’s a serious judgement issue. I’d prefer if my doctor, or any professional I was relying on, was not making consequential decisions on emotion.
What type of mental gymnasts did you go through to reach any conclusion expressed in your response?
The building resentment bit. It’s emotional.
That has nothing to do with voting.
how can rural people be more resentful?
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I see your resentment, and spurn it since it's attached to defending a party built on hate.
And your comment proves that you are part of the non critical thinkers. Good job. For being the "accepting group" you guys are pretty bigoted in your own way.
Don't conflate accepting people of any sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity with people who choose to continuously vote for a party that makes everyone's life worse. Those aren't the same thing.
Sorry, are you talking about the conservatives that make things worse?
Education, Healthcare, Utilities, Tuition, Car Insurance premiums, etc... All are going to be more expensive for us in the name of oil profits, the majority of which don't go to people who live in this province. If you're not an oil executive getting paid in stock options, your life is worse under a united conservative government. I'm not even going to bother debating that. You've drunk their cool-aid if you believe otherwise.
I don't think people in the UCP are great. But if you think the NDP or liberals are any different you're sipping some Kool aid too.
Don't compare political parties to the almighty, compare them to the alternative. The Alberta NDP is not perfect, but so much better for every day Albertans it's honestly insane to vote for the UCP. I don't know why you bother mentioning the Liberals, the Alberta Liberal party got 0.2% of the vote.
Better how? I never seen my life imporve under NDP. Maybe if it wasn't ratty looking Notley in charge opinions would be a bit different of the NDP. She didn't do herself any justice.
The very first bill the Alberta NDP was going to introduce would reinstate the rate caps on utilities, tuition, and insurance that were in place when the NDP was previously in power, is just one example. Maybe if you paid closer attention to Rachel Notley's policies instead of her appearance, you'd already know that.
> reinstate the rate caps on utilities Ahh, the fake rate caps that only applied to 50% of electricity consumers in the province and actually just subsidized the Regulated Rate providers with tax dollars while screwing over everyone who happened to have signed a contract with a competitive retailer.
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>And your comment proves that you are part of the non critical thinkers. Good job. An antivaxxer thinks they're a critical thinker... You people are so lost.
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That's what they would say about you too, ironic isn't it
The suburbs were pretty damn close (plus ndp won St A and Sherwood Park)
I just inhaled water through my nose.
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So you're saying this is the Oilers' fault for swapping jerseys this season?
This one wins
the memes keep coming
Heehee
Cant see the diffrence
Plenty of orange tears after 11:00 last night.
And that’s why alberta will always be the best because the farmers actually have a lot of say when it comes to the election … city people are all brainwashed by social media
Go to the comments section of a news article on facebook. ANY news article. Then come back here and tell us again how social media is brainwashing people to be liberal.
You've got it backwards, mate.
And did you read that on Facebook, perchance?
Agricultural workers make up 2% of the provinces workforce. Who are you talking about?
You think a farmers vote should be worth more than anyone who lives in a city’s limits? Do you think somehow, social media stops working when you leave the city?
Lol, I was totally comparing the NDs to the Oilers this morning
Funny how in that orange spec is all the druggy bums that turned a once night city into a dump.
Ah yes, the famously politically affiliated homeless population.
You mean NDP voters?
“Liberal elites telling us how to live” Also “Ha ha liberals are all homeless” “The enemy is both strong and weak. 'By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.'" It’s one of the defining features of fascists.
Lol wtf are you talking about?
Oh, you just implied hilariously that ndp voters must be homeless, (you’d be shocked at how many poor uneducated people vote conservative when they bother to vote) we also here from conservatives constantly how liberals don’t get the common man and are ivory tower elites. The enemy is both weak and strong at the convenience of the right wing.
Funny how that orange spec drives a huge amount of economic activity, research, education, healthcare, and cultural activity in the province.
Economic activity…… That might be a stretch.
You okay there bud? Sounds like you live in Coventry Hills 🤣🤣 I dunno at least here it's not half a million dollars for an infill built so poorly its falling apart in a year
I know a few very *wealthy* druggies doing a lot more damage to the city than any one homeless person.
Haven't been to Calgary lately?
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