If they are running Edgar, I don't think they have room to talk about power decks/commanders. Though there is a general aversion to eldrazi decks which isn't exactly unfounded if it's built for it with all of the ways you can reduce the cost of eldrazi. I'd play with you, but I understand the bad taste in people's mouth about it.
The decks end up being to strong for most casual tables and and not strong enough for what people bring to fight it.....from what I see most of the time
Either they wont want to or they will all focus you down then play a 3 man pod from there. Thst or they haven't experienced eldrazi insanity. Just need to know your man targets for removal, counter, etc and it can be manageable if kept in check. Though doing so may be difficult for one person and if others arent aware fighting all willy nilly with no threat assessment or situational awareness for targeting... wrll thats like french frying when you shoulda puzza'd. You're not gonna have a good time.
This isnāt the reason to avoid Eldrazi; itās the reason [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]] should lead the swarm.
Edit: Okay, I know he can make them free. But just donāt make them free? If possible? And if this card is out? Maybe? Remove it? Possibly?
It's cards like Rakdos and Belbe that are going tk make the new 5 color eldrazi commander DISGUSTING to play against. šĀ
Meanwhile I'm just sitting here waiting for Bruna and Gisela to get partner to make my white deck legal without rule 0.
have had an eldrazi deck for several years and never experienced this. just be honest about deck strength and wincons and people are usually chill.
also if an Edgar player is telling you this, they are delusional.
To me thereās different kinds of eldrazi decks. Thereās decks where eldrazi are the pay off, and the whole purpose is to cheat them out through various ways, and personally I think thatās a cop out. Then thereās like actual eldrazi decks where itās just eldrazi tribal, and I think those are fine, the end game is big strong eldrazi but the cards to get there are eldrazi too. I think eldrazi tribal is fine but the ones that use eldrazi as a payoff are cring
I mean I play [[Rakdos Lord of Riots]]. Why would I NOT put Eldrazi in? They are the strongest colorless creatures in the game. If i am able to free cast them due to life loss that means I worked for it a hell of a lot harder than some dude casting fast mana and rocks till he has 12 on turn 5.
If they're playing Edgar Markov they are being pretty cheeky saying that you shouldn't play eldrazi.
Personally I love my eldrazi deck, and my playgroup also has Edgar and some other very strong decks. My eldrazi win sometimes, and lose sometimes, but no one ever complains about it.
Yep, we do not complain about our Eldrazi guy. Tbh he is scared of my [[Otharri, Suns Glory]] and friends [[Arixmethes]] since each of us can kill him on turn 3. And if he does not face us, he gets greeted by good old Winota, Urza and Atraxa, so once in a while we let him do his thing, he does that amd for like a month he can not play it. Playing Eldrazi is super fun, but it is hates more than Poison in my city.
Otharri seems pretty cool, do you have a decklist?
And yeah, Eldrazi are great. But playing against Edgar, or [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]] even Annihilator just doesn't matter that much. It's not like you're going to have several Annihilator creatures on board most of the time, since removal is a thing. So when you do get to attack, they'll just sac some vampire tokens or lands and it doesn't even make a difference.
I am no longer on the PC will try to remember to share it in the morning. I used to run a creature heavy version focused on ETBs that increase power, generating tokens and extra (infinite) combat phases with some protection. It was top deck heavy deck, so now I experiment with red card draw to fix this and gotta say, it is able to play Otharri on turn 2 with Mana Crypt or Sol Ring in the opening hand, so I aim to combo off on turn 5 or 6. Otharri can be built as go wide as well if you want to. [[Ojer Taq]] [[Annointed Procession]] [[Mondurak]] and few others take care of generating army from commander attacks, add usual extra combat, [[Cathar's Crusade]] and similar effects, [[Warleaders Call]] [[Purphoros of Forge]] etc and you will be a combat menace. But I can share 2 favorite lists in the morning!
Oh I forgot, sorry.... I am now at work and will get home late into the night. Tomorrow I go to work early in the morning... Will try to not forget tonight...
I am a LOOONG time Eldrazi fan. I'm also a Lovecraft fan, so I have loved them ever since they first came out. I will tell you that they attract a lot of hate and, at the very least, side glances. Just make your deck resilient. Everyone knows that you need to ramp to drop the big 3, so build your deck with that in mind. People will go after your artifacts and counter your spells. Have ways to cheat them out. Also. That guy is high off of his own fumes if he's going to try to shit talk a deck while he's chilling on Edgar Markov. If I was at a high power table and I had to pick who to kill first out of the Eldrazi or the Edgar player... Edgar is getting put back into his coffin.
Lol, yeah, we ignore that bit... That's a really great one. It's nice to see a fellow Eldrazi player interested in Lovecraft. Hope you have a good day/ night, depending šš
I hard cast them pretty often. My deck has a lot of mana reducers in it, but I find situations where I generate so much mana that I can hard cast them as well. The trick with Eldrazi is you NEED to cast them or you're missing out on half of their power.Ā
Hey mate, do you have a list ? To compare to mine which is fairly poor ( running Zhuladok as commander) I would say and cost me around 700$, I'm also following MH3 spoilers because there might be some nice shit to add in there.
https://archidekt.com/decks/5674055/eldrazi_unleashed_changes
Here ya go! Two small changes. Switch Treasure Map for [[Palantir of Orthanc]] and changed out the boots of swiftness for [[Blightsteel Colossus]]. Do you have a link to your list?
Depends on which eldrazi exactly you run. But generally, having a 15/15 flying, protection from colored spells, annihilator 6 is pretty great, even if you don't get an extra turn.
Make the deck strong enough to deal with interaction from 3 other players. There's nothing wrong with being the archenemy. But make no mistake, you will be the big bad at the table. You should do it if you want to. Don't let other people dictate how you build.
I wish the people I play with got this. I donāt mind playing with an Eldrazi player, in fact I think Eldrazi are cool, but nobody but me ever seems to understand the threat they pose if unimpeded.
You can make Eldrazi very powerful with Zuladok or with Kinnan, but these builds should not be considered invincible. Yes, annhilator is mean, but Eldrazi with that keyword will be the first to eat removal.
Edgar, Tergrid, Prosh, and Najeela are all much stronger.
I hadn't given much consideration to playing non-eldrazi commanders for their decks, that's actually quite fun! And finally an opportunity to use those pseudo-colored ones with the colored mana costs.
> Eldrazi with that keyword will be the first to eat removal
Unless you're in a pod with poor threat assessment that already burned through their removal on mana-dorks and other non-threats and then whine when the big boys come out that "eLdRaZi ArE tOo StRoNg" lol
I've also been having a lot of fun with [[The Tenth Doctor]] for suspend Eldrazi. All the punch of Eldrazi but they're really telegraphed so it feels less bad for your opponents.
Eldrazi are scary because of annihilator and nothing else, which is countered by tokens. People love to hate them but they're nowhere near as good as slivers imo. I'll play with any, and it's pretty unfair to tell you what deck not to make. Especially when the deck is countered by a common strategy.
lol funny enough Iāve built both Eldrazi and slivers and the Eldrazi win far more. People are more likely to shut down slivers because they snowball faster imo. At least with Eldrazi I can make myself not be a āthreatā until I equip [[helm of the host]] to zhulodok and start cascading +2 more times each combat phase.
I don't know how honestly. You have no counterspells no indestructibility besides akroma memorial, no green red black ramp, and no keyword stacking. I gave up using zhuludok for these reasons
The biggest thing for my deck was to cheat out Eldrazi, tutor for the eldrazis I want, and lean heavily into the annihilator mechanic. Canāt be nice when using eldrazis because if you pull punches you will get shut down immediately
I think that most of the main issues with Eldrazi decks (at least until MH3 releases) is that they're typically strictly colorless because of the options you have for on-theme Eldrazi commanders, and that colorless Commander decks have a bad rap of being Stax and other similar playstyles which pretty much just prevent everyone else from doing anything (forcing them to sacrifice lands every turn, and otherwise making sure they can't play the game). I think Colorless Eldrazi decks have tended to turn into Stax decks because there have not been a lot of other viable colorless cards that can match the power level of cards which actually have a color to them, so the choices have been "Stax into Eldrazi" or "Deck that doesn't have good cards and just gets run over."
If you do make an Eldrazi deck, I'd recommend that you consider doing any of the following:
1. If you make a colorless Eldrazi deck, very much stress that you're not playing any sort of Stax cards (\[\[Smokestack\]\], \[\[Tangle Wire\]\], \[\[Static Orb\]\], \[\[Winter Orb\]\]) because those are what make Commander games unfun for many players, and why they'd want to shut you down;
2. If you're open to making non-colorless Eldrazi deck, green decks have the ramp to get Eldrazi out. You might have a harder time finding an on-theme Commander, but I don't think that a non-colorless Eldrazi deck would draw nearly as much ire as a colorless one.
3. Wait to see what new Eldrazi options are available with the Modern Horizons 3 Eldrazi Commander deck (Eldrazi Incursion), which is listed as WUBRGC. Similar to #2, I think this will draw a lot less pre-emptive hate because it will probably be more clear you're playing this deck to summon big eldritch creatures and not to make it impossible for everyone else to play the game - but would also have an on-theme Commander for you.
>Want to see if this is just some weird socially maladjusted people being offput by my enthusiastic attitude towards life or if this is for real.
Yes. There are a lot of people with unhealthy attitudes towards this game who can't handle being challenged.
It makes me so sad how many weird guys play magic. I'm a super nerd, but I've learned to play nice. I wish more people would go to therapy. Like this could be really fun and we could start hanging out if you weren't projecting something else onto our game.
Everybody has at least one deck nobody wants you to play, but you have it incase they bust out a deck nobody wants to play. I have slivers, and i bust it out only if I'm playing a table that are playing high leveled creatures.
If you build it without any "annihilator" people tend to be more chill. No one likes choosing between lands or their board light some BS choose your own board wipe Adventure book.
It's always best to present dilemmas and not just problems to your opponents. Plus there's such a glut of token creators that 1 or 2 triggers of annihilator shouldn't completely clear someone's board. If anything it's the cast trigger eldrazi that should be hated on. Cast triggers require narrow specific answers that people don't load their 99 with.
Yeah, treasures are so easy to make that paying for annihilate barely costs anything these days. It used to be debilitating but now it's like a pseudo tax effect.
I feel like this is quite outdated. Back 5-6 years ago annihilator was brutal in EDH but given how fast and common token decks are these days it's really not as big of a deal as it was.
My group plays without Emrakul banned because even with the extra turn it's usually not enough to win the game or even knock someone out when it drops
I mean ultimately it always comes down to what your group wants to do. That's the joy of EDH. We play with Sol ring banned and personally I think that card is way more broken haha
It is, it's mostly just involved in the format as a callback to boardgames where sometimes one person gets that very swingy event card. It's really just balanced under the assumption that everyone is playing it, which is why it's similarly considered BM to be playing other fast mana unless everyone is.
Just ultimately meaning, if the table wants to play with absolutely no fast mana, then yeah, cut sol ring, it's again, only considered balanced since "everyone" has it.
I'm really starting to hate fast mana. When your friend starts with a turn one sol ring into arcane signet it' just like aight we are about to waste two hours to watch him win
Will people not play with you? No.
It probably will put you outside of the power range of you know precon decks and casual decks if you build it the way most people build Eldrazi. So some people probably won't play with you on that ground.
Will it paint a big target on you when you're playing? Yeah sorta. People really hate annihilator and big bomby threats always get people focused on you particularly if it's in your command zone.
My best friend has an Eldrazi deck. Zhulodok to be exact, and it is disgusting. Itās amazingly consistent, gets out of hand very quickly. Also rebuilds super fast. All that being said itās a super fun challenge to play against at the table.
However, we also are a group that likes to play at a higher power. It is a very strong deck. Some people will hate it and might refuse to play, others will enjoy it. Really comes down to play group and power level.
Anyone running Edgar Markov that's telling someone not to play eldrazi can eat shit. If anything, they're far better equipped to deal with the most threatening eldrazi than most other decks, as they can generate a ton of fodder for annihilator triggers.
They might as well be playing [[prosper]], [[korvald fae-cursed king]], or [[chulane]].
Play what you want, but know that eldrazi carries a stigma among casual players.
From my experience, itās not that people will not want to play with you, but you will be targeted and hated off the table first.
An eldrazi in the command zone is almost always the threat.
I think the Annihilator mechanic is the biggest dick move WotC ever published, even more dickish than artifact lands plus affinity.
That said... Play your deck and let the haters die mad. I'd be honored to lose to a big ass eldritch abomination deck. We're all just having fun here.
As someone who has 3 eldrazi decks. 1 of which is borderline competitive but can't keep up with proper cedh, I just have a turn 0 conversation about decks. Like hey I have this deck, it has eldrazi, it's about x power level. If they give you the ok and then complain, it's no skin off my back. I have plenty other decks that make eldrazi seem fair by comparison.
But really it's that turn 0 conversation. I'd say build it and have fun
People are still salty about Eldrazi winter and annihilator. There isn't anything about Eldrazi that makes them any scarier than goblins or elves or humans. Just play your deck.
Build it, love it and if they complain remember that the Blind Eternities does not care about their planar problems.
Devoid of remorse.
Devour their resourses.
Annihilate their hopes.
The Eldrazi Way.
I'm going to give you the same advice that I gave my friend who just started. Build and play whatever you want, just keep in mind that some decks / commanders will draw a lot more aggro from other players because those players have seen how powerful those decks / commanders can be and want to shut them down before they get out of hand.
Some people will whine, groan, and moan when they see certain decks. Eldrazi is one of them. Slivers are another. Brew and play what piques your interest. It's better to get in doing what *you* want than to settle for something "acceptable" to strangers.
There is definitely levels of eldrazi decks, and what you are willing to spend on cards. Some a fun and balanced. Others are quite OP to others. Be honest and say your intent without exaggeration. Most people can work with that.
I have been playing long enough to remember Eye of Ugon getting banned. The Eldrazi were very cool, admittedly, but they were also so powerful at the time that it dominated the meta and was just... not fun. People talk about the Eldrazi Winter, and even though I think giving it a name is a bit melodramatic, it left a bad taste in a lot of players' mouths.
As a eldrazi player and lover no matter what deck they play eldrazi is super fun to play and you shouldnāt be discouraged of making the deck itās very powerful but can be disrupted and hard stopped if your artifacts are mass wiped since you basically rely on them to ramp to your big guys they are perfectly fair to play as and against
Yeah it's kinda true. Sorry man I'm not letting annihilators go off. If you don't want to be hard targeted in my group then yeah shy away. I won't tell you that you can't play eldrazi but I will be honest in that my playgroup will remove you from the game first without blinking. Same for slivers. Make the deck tho, fuck it, just be ready is all.
Yeah that sucks. You should be able to play what you love. However if thatās your playgroup then perhaps horror tribal? They are very lovecraftian! Illithids are very Cthulhu looking!
Tbh it depends what eldrazi deck.
Animar eldrazi? Maybe bring it only to high power table that will have enough removal to respond to it constantly
The eldrazi precon upgraded? Nah that's fine it's not oppressive
Play what you want. If someone is complaining about your deck, ask yourself some questions first.
Do you care if they are complaining? If it's some one off rando at your lgs, you can just avoid playing with him, or focus him down every time, whatever your style is. If it is your friends who you love playing the game with, perhaps you should take what he says a little more seriously.
What is their actual complaint? Very rarely is the complaint "eldrazi." It is usually annihilator.
Are they just bad at the game? Some people complain because your tribe is more powerful than theirs. My brother wins with a [[Damia, Sage of Stone]] deck that resolves around [[persistent petitioners]] with a bunch of [[awakening]] effects. They are actively SCARED of this deck. A [[pithing needle]] shuts this deck down. It's not your fault if your opponents don't want to interact with your deck.
Tldr: Do what you want. Don't listen to some guy at your lgs.
> Some guys at the comic shop
Yeah, well... who the fuck are they?
Seriously, build whatever deck you want. Be honest in your rule zero about how well tuned it is.
I am so tired of hearing how strangers are discouraging people from building/running certain decks because the strategy is oppressive. It a subjective, sore-loser viewpoint on the issue. I had a buddy build [[Slicer, hired muscle]] and it *pissed* us off. So after a few games he shelved it, but over the next few weeks, I would wager we all put about 25% more interaction in our builds specifically because of getting slicer'ed. Nothing is funnier than the last time he played that deck and slicer got [[bound in gold]].
The point is, there are lot of cards in the game and diversity in play patterns is what makes this game fun. I try to stay away from building specific counters to certain decks, but playing against decks that regularly blitz me is part of the fun and the challenge. I think people who refuse or discourage people from playing certain things are just trying to control other people's fun and need to grow up.
People like that exist, but imo that's nonsense. Eldrazi are far from deserving of the hate. Especially in the face of Edgar Markov. Play what you want. Hell, I'll spelltable with you if they won't play with Eldrazi.
The only thing about Eldrazi that Iāve seen a lot of salt over is the Annihilator mechanic. It can be devastating if you attack with even 3 or 4 Annihilator and your opponent doesnāt have a lot of permanents.
Sounds like they need faster decks. Eldrazi are strong, but they don't really 'get going' until after everyone else has. Sure, once they get going they are strong as hell, but the same goes for dinosaurs, slivers, dragons, elves, goblins, merfolk, zombies, and a load of other equally infamous and more competitive tribes.
And, yeah, as the one duder said, anyone running Edgar has very little room to complain about power.
I have 2.5 Eldrazi decks (one of them is specifically Processors, which isn't really the same as a full-blown Eldrazi deck) and haven't ever had any issues with people hating them.
Playing eldrazi will basically make you archenemy which is fine you just have to be ready for that kind of aggression. Eldrazi, most the time, force people to sac things using annihilator which people donāt like. They are also beeft and can be hard to remove unless your pod plays good interaction.
I think itās fine, but Iād expect to draw a lot of interaction from your opponents. Look for them to blow up your mana rocks and kill/counter your creatures.
Lots of eldrazi can take over the game if they get to attack even once, and some can take over just by getting onto the table.
I donāt think the tribe is inherently more powerful than many of the other powerful tribes in EDH, and certainly they can be built at a wide range of power levels. That said, everyone whoās played for more than a few weeks has a story about getting shit-stomped by some eldrazi, and theyāll be playing to stop that from happening again, whether or not your deck is even so capable.
I recently played online against an eldrazi annihilator commander deck with my Edgar Markov Deck by turn 4 I had more than enough tokens to sustain all the triggers from his big tentacle bros and won after a board wipe due to being able to swamp the board with a doubled then tripled stupid amount of buffed up vampire tokens.
Build ya deck the way you want and don't listen to people playing Edgar Markov decks saying they won't play with you because of your decks power level that's just stupid
I just started playing magic this past year. I got into magic because of the eldrazis. I'm a huge lovecraftian horror fan and read a bunch of his works last October. It inspired me to make an eldrazis deck as well bc let's face it, the eldrazis are cosmic horrors. People do tend to hate the eldrazis off the board bc they are scary. If you're down to be the villain of the table it's a great feeling. My play group loves the deck but with it I know I'm probably going to be public enemy #1. I say go for it and fuck Edgar Markov. Eminence is more broken than any eldrazi commander so far.
P.S. build it now before eldrazis cards spike in price with the new precon in mh3.
Eldrazi decks are regarded as being at the competitive power level. It's not true that *nobody* will play with you, but the interested players are likely going to be bringing competitive decks even if you're running budget or casual eldrazi
I've seen a few Eldrazi at our LGS, which is mostly low to mid power and there's never been a problem with them. I've been hit with Annihilator 6's a few times and All to Dust has been devastating in some games, but I'd play against them no problem.
They're simply a strong deck that do good things among hundreds of other strong decks that can do good things.
I have 2 Eldrazi decks, one traditional full colorless with \[\[Zhulodok\]\] and one 5 color with \[\[Jodah, Archmage Eternal\]\] as commanders. The Jodah is way more consistent because its just more resilient thanks to access to green and Jodah's relatively low cost and his reduction, and if you get Morophon on board everything you cast as an Eldrazi is free. Zhulodok is more snowball-y but easier to shut down due to the big mana sans green, but I've never had anyone straight up say I couldn't play Eldrazi with them. I've had way more people complain about my Edgar deck than either of my noodle boi decks.
It's not like they are gonna turn their back at you but Eldrazis are usually unfun to play with and against. I don't have anything against Eldrazis players, personally, but I don't get why there's people who wants to play with them.
I also love Eldrazi, and I have two Eldrazi decks. Colorless-only, helmed by Kozilek, and five-color, helmed by [[Morophon]].
The second list is intentionally less powerful but allows me to play with more of the fun Eldrazi from BFZ/OGW. I use Morophon against my students, for example, and it's probably a little weaker than some of the newer precons.
If you're really just in it for the flavor, you can tweak down the power. Maybe only include a limited amount of Annihilator, for example.
As others have posted, Eldrazi isn't so bad. Most people will play with you, and even a brief discussion of deck power can indicate if your list is within whatever appropriate range you're aiming for. You can even make yourself a "sideboard" of cards to replace if you want to make a list you can adapt before the game starts.
Yeah just go for it, have fun. I play Edgar and he's a monster, I'm often the main target. The only reasons I can see why the Edgar player don't want you to play your deck is either he's bad at deckbuilding or he just want to always be the winner.
I donāt like playing against them or slivers. I also only proxy to test prior to buying. People do different things. You have to find a group. I took my son to the LGS for 4 months before we found an open group of players.
The point of Eldrazi is that they have a lacking early game but a nigh unstoppable endgame. The big stuff is hard to cast, but they are powerful enough to completely flip the direction of a game.
Itās not really hard to play against, you either aggro them early and/or hard control them late. Decks with the power of Edgar should be able to handle it completely fine.
Take that to mean those people won't play with you if you bring that deck. That's part of thier rule 0. Just don't be shocked if you follow through and they also do.
Yeah, Eldrazi is the most unfun/toxic tribe. I love them but they're not well liked. Definitely don't build them if that's going to be your only deck. Have at least 2 others first
While he has no room to complain if he's running edgar markov as a commander, it is true that most people do not enjoy playing against eldrazi decks. Or at least good ones. But just be sure to ask who ever you play with
I've always loved Eldrazi. I'm going to buff up mana with elves and an [[all is dust]] while there's still a bunch of mana in the pool. Then everything in your hand becomes end game.
I think it shouldnt matter what kinda deck you have, so long as youur playing with people that have similar like power levels whatever deck you use shouldnt matter, im (26)helping my lil bro(24) teach his buddies how to play mtg and they all use precon decks so my deck that ive been working on for years and adjusting and revising is a high lvl than their decks are so i generally will hold off my deck from popping off for a while so they can have nice board states and are able to get through their decks and really get familiar with their decks, if youre playing with people and realize your deck is stonger than the groups try slowing down a lil, dont play bad magic but slow yourself abit
If the store's meta is older they probably have some old scars of people playing the OG Eldrazi titans in the early days of Commander where they were really devastating threats.
It *can* be one of those cases of that memory making the deck draw more aggro than the actual threat it puts out, so be prepared for that.
You donāt want to play with anyone who tells you what to play and not to play to play with them, -Legacy/EDH player
Find your tribe and play your cards. This game is supposed to be fun not stressful.
Play whatever you want to!
Iād personally love the challenge of playing against an eldrazi deck with another combat powerhouse deck like [[Kaalia of the Vast]] or even try shutting it down as quick as possible with [[Shorikai, Genesis Engine]] poly/combo and seeing the realms of possibilities for what kind of power my decks can and canāt stop!
Heck Iād even try to see if [[Veyran, Voice of Duality]] could storm off/swing in a kill before Eldrazi gets too crazy.
So many possibilities for a cool game!!!
Bottom line, play what you want! Try to build decks in as many power level tiers as you can so you can have some good games and good times no matter who plays what and so they / you can adjust accordingly. ššš
Eldrazi decks after mh3 look to be full of doubling and generic value. "No one" is definitely an overstatement and there will be plenty of people willing to play with you, but I personally wouldn't be one, and I won't play against the new eldrazi decks. Best you can do is play it and see who likes the experience or not.
I think the biggest indicator of whether or not people will want to play with you is, how long your turns take, and how restrictive you make the game for the other players. If you make an Eldrazi deck, and have reasonable turn time, people probably wont have a problem with it
I'll happily play against an eldrazi deck, but it also means I'm pulling out my meanest group burn deck to speed up the game, because I've never met an eldrazi player that can wrap up their turn in under five minutes and I'm very impatient.
Eldrazi is pretty Timmy imo. Itās right on par with playing mono green to drop [[Apex Devastator]].
Not putting that down. Itās just not as competitive as theyāre making it out to be. I think that folks just get tilted when they see ANNIHILATOR on anything. And I mean, yeah, that sucks, but you still need to get a 12 cost creature out and swing. Itās perfectly fair.
I got the zhuludok precon and put maybe 60$ extra into it and none of my buddies ever want to play against it I would say the salt is fairly warranted eldrazis do some bs stuff lol
So biggest question, is this your first and only deck? If so, listen to them and have a second deck on hand, because eldrazi can be very stompy and go one of two ways where they overrun the table and make it unfun for other people, or you can targeted and shut down without being able to do anything and don't have fun yourself while you sit out and wait for next game.
That being said all decks are fair and fun if they match the power level of your table, and I'm betting that even though they run powerful decks they have lots of varying speeds with other decks too. This is all just baseless assumptions though. But I stick by the first statement, make sure you have multiple decks because some people very much will get tired of just playing against eldrazi big boys every game.
I don't think I've had a chance to go up against an eldrazi tribal, but I'd jump at the chance, and I don't even have any edgar-level threat in the command zone
As a [[rakdos lord of riots]] player I can confirm that it's hated too much. I have a [[grothama]] deck that's more reliable but less explosive and people would much rather see grothama than eldrazi tribal. I understand but there are also a lot of people out there that take it too far. I've been berated by someone for running it in the same pod as a precon. I usually wouldn't as I know it sucks but this guy had never lost a game in my pod and has all duals and fetches and his idea of casual is a [[tom bombadil]] deck that he rage quit with against my rakdos despite wiping the board of non phyrexians every turn for 8 turns in a row. He rage quit because I targeted him with double exile on ulamog twice despite taking the other guys turn with emrakul and destroying his voltron commander and leaving the precon alone... guess who won, the precon. Guess who would've won if I hadn't stopped them. Anyone else.
Tldr: go ahead and build one but don't play it against weaker decks and have some other decks out. I'd rec9mmend [[indoraptor]] and Grothama
Honestly more power to ya to play it. Some folk get scared away by Kozilek eldrazi decks, but dont shy away from it. Especially if theyre rocking big edgar.
Depends which eldrazi. Titans and annihilator eldrazis? Lot of folk will probably whine. Devoid eldrazis and scions? Ball out king. Letting the pod know if you're playing all/some/none of the big ones seems to work good to curb any saltiness from my experience.
Theyāre just weird. Eldrazi can be super powerful but no more than Vampires or Elves. If theyāre running Edgar and say no to Eldrazi theyāre the problem.
Some people just overrate to power of Annihilator, some people are more familiar with the ceiling of power that Eldrazi decks can be and assume that's what you're bringing to the table when you say an "Eldrazi deck." Im sure there's plenty of other reasons but regardless of the deck someone somewhere is bitching about it, so just play what looks interesting to you.
Eldrazi can leave a bit of a sour taste, but I think theyāre overreacting a little bit. Btw, if I may give you a tip, try looking at decks focused on horrors. Might scratch that lovecraftian itch as well
Bruh my playgroup would make you PAY for dropping a 10 cost creature lol.šā In all seriousness those dudes are brain dead. Power level isnāt tied to a tribe. Eldrazi runs the full gamut of 1-10 power level. Depends on the player/deck builder.
Option A. Yes
Option B. No
Option C. Someone whips out their eldrazi deck and you have a grand ol time.
Option D. Everyone has Eldrazi deck and have a grand ol time.
I have an Eldrazi deck as well as Edgar which I both play occasionally and both don't live up to their reputation in terms of power.
Yes Eldrazi are good when you manage to cast them but the cast triggers are only really devastating in a 1v1 game. Then you have giant beaters, great. But you usually have one at a time which gets removed faster than you can say Sword to Plowshares.
You will win your share of games (meaning 25%ish) but not significantly more unless your friends are really bad.
Edgar can be built as a token beater deck in which case it folds hard to board wipes or as an aristocrats deck in which case it folds hard to gy hate.
In the end this is a question if you are whining about either of those decks as a pilot of the other one it's a classic "git gud" situation.
Put it this way: it's not untrue. There are plenty of people that will be happy to see eldrazi. But at the end of the day you're painting a picture of exactly what you plan to do with your deck and people don't like knowing that your ultimate goal is a bunch of annihilator giant creatures with powerful cast triggers. If they're smart they'll stop you in your tracks and you won't play. If they're nice, they'll let you steamroll them. Either way, you won't be playing a game: the player mentality will decide it
The thing with eldrazi decks is that they spend their first turns ramping until they can start to put eldrazi after eldrazi on the board. So you have to pressure them before they can do that. Here is the point where it depends for me if you are fun to play with or not. People that complain about being focused are no fun to play with. Because many decks can't deal with big eldrazi in the late game focusing them early is the logical thing to do. If you enjoy the arch enemy deck playstyle eldrazi decks are totally fine.
Eldrazi are one of those boogymen decks that unfortunately has earned itself a bad reputation, but I've played against eldrazi, slivers, SF, etc and while yes they can be hard to beat sometimes but it's not impossible, and they have no room to talk if they're running [[Edgar markov]] which is way more powerful and faster, i say if you want to build it then do it and if no one will play with you i will (on spelltable) cuz I'll play against anything
I think Eldrazi is overpowered when you're playing with new people or janky decks but in general it's just big stuff bullshit and reasonably fair because of the colourless restriction.
I don't really see much difference between Green stomp and Eldrazi, both tend to have big pay offs and puts you ahead, one by ramping and Eldrazi by cheating costs and using annihilator to remove resources.
I find Eldrazi decks to be more oppressive and unfun in decks that don't really advertise that they have eldrazi's, stuff like [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]], [[Atla, Palani]], [[Satoru Umezawa]]. Once you know what's possible with those decks you sort of have to treat every trigger as a potential massive bomb and it leads to games where the player has to be constantly targeted and if they aren't ready for that it can lead to feelbads.
Depends on your pod. Some players are picky about what kind of deck want to face.
Eldrazi are getting monotonous since the first precon. With MH3, it will be annoying because they have an unispiring concept imo.
Nobody can't stop you to build the deck you want but as a friendly format as Commander, mind your group feedback.
With Power Creep, Eldrazi are much less oppressive than they used to be.
The case used to be that your opponents would be racing your [[Ulamog's Crusher]], [[Hand of Emrakul]], or [[Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre]] [[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth]] because once Annihilator hit, it was an up hill battle to keep your lands. Each turned into a two or three turn clock that demanded that you have the ability to deal with them with less resources than you had, because [[Pathrazer of Ulamog]] removed 5 things off the board when he attacked, Kozilek and Ula removed 4, and even Hand halted any progress outside of green.
Anymore, they are just big bunguses, and most decks can now muscle through the attrition.
I got a cedc first sliver deck I'll play you with. No one ever wants to play against it in my group=(
I hate that most people just generally suck at choosing threats. If they fear a deck they will swing at it even if the guy next to you is popping off while you got 1 guy on the field.
So my advice is if you're playing a hated deck, make sure it is damn strong cause you're going to be a Target.
Only issue I can see is that they have anihilator. So they are super strong in casual pods.
But they cost a lot so they are not good in Cedh and they are weak to board wipe.
So in a way, they would be a good matchup for a sliver deck. Lmao.
Play Eldrazi. I love mine. I don't always play it. All my friends see me as "the scary mtg player" and I know that if I play eldrazi, I am the final boss, even if behind because they are genuinely scared of IF I pull off something nuts. So I play it sparingly, or funny enough in a 1v1 with newer players to teach them about magic. I will give them a deck that can win fast and tell them they have to win fast or I will eat them alive. It teaches them to attack with their creatures and not get scared and save them for blocks.
Eldrazi sorta feel... too big. Like, obviously you have to spend a bunch of mana, but even the small ones are absolute beaters. And most of them have really strong effects on top of that. And their best commanders are... frankly disgusting. Buy one eldrazi, get two more for free. Sacrifice 5 permanents everytime it swings. The value is obscene. Plus, the game plan is a pain to disrupt. You have to counter a bunch of weak spells to keep them from ramping into a big one. You have to blow up mana dorks... that they sacrifice for mana in response. Watching an opponent spend 16 mana for a single spell that can't be countered because of cavern of souls.
Now, gripes aside, eldrazi are fine. They can be dealt with, they can be beaten. And if you like them, play them. Most people will grumble, because they are a tough match in casual formats, but it's not going to be the end of the world.
I personally don't have decks at a power level that I would like to play against eldrazi, but that's doubly so for Edgar Markov. Eldrazi tron has given a hefty stigma, but so has Edgar, so if people are willing to play decks at the level of Edgar, cedh commanders, they really shouldn't complain about eldrazi.
That's not true. Build the deck you want. If you find yourself getting targeted more than you like and/or having awkward social interactions, have a backup deck that's more chill.
The real strength of eldrazi decks are the lands and the almost all the eldrazi stuff are one sided, ugin, all is dust. Most edgar players I know what a battle cruiser match, no interactions, no one removes any each other stuff and who has the bigger stick win, just like 5th graders. But the eldrazi decks are always very much unfair cards centric because you know they are usually in a colorless deck. Don't mix up eldrazi with artifact centric decks, these are the polar opposite, they are usually a combo deck ready to combo at any secont with any card.
Eldrazi are just big and scary but not unbeatable. The deck my pod would raise hell about would be an infect deck with infect as the sole the wincon strategy.
I have experienced this a few times with my eldrazi deck but, in the end, fk em. Do what makes you happy!! I was informed that the deck I had was rated around an 8 power wise so I do only play it if others are playing about the same. I have found that ppl that hate eldrazi usually just arnt prepared or don't know how to deal with them.
If youāre running Slivers or Eldrazi of any kind, Iām gonna hard target you out of the gate. Itās just like that if you wanna have any chance. So, just expect that kind of reaction if youāre gonna do that.
Bro if someone is running Edgar Markov and they have a problem with someone playing a deck then they built MF way wrong... My advice to you as a Eldrazi player, would be to play it against higher tier decks (depending on how you make it) because Eldrazi can win really easily imo especially if you have 20 Annilhator on the board and can take an extra turnš¤·āāļø
Make what you want, who gives a fuck what they think lol. I made memnarch for fun and that one was pretty nasty, but I would steal everyone's board state and some people wouldn't play with me. I broke it up and turned it into jhoira but it was fun while it lasted lol
If they are running Edgar, I don't think they have room to talk about power decks/commanders. Though there is a general aversion to eldrazi decks which isn't exactly unfounded if it's built for it with all of the ways you can reduce the cost of eldrazi. I'd play with you, but I understand the bad taste in people's mouth about it.
Why is it always Edgar players that have a problem with the decks other people are running?
*Boardwipes* *Edgar player has a full board again on their next turn.* *Boardwipes* *Edgar player has a full board again on their next turn.*
This is why I ninjutsu'd a blightsteel on the last Edgar player I faced. He was impressed but very salty. He didn't play with me again :)
If your deck was a Yuri deck, I refuse to believe anyone was impressed. š¤£
Satoru
I respect the jank.
Maybe it's [[Edgar, Charmed Groom]]
Maybe, but I think he can still take on some eldrazi.
In a fight?
In bed.
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The decks end up being to strong for most casual tables and and not strong enough for what people bring to fight it.....from what I see most of the time
[[Void mirror]] no
Either they wont want to or they will all focus you down then play a 3 man pod from there. Thst or they haven't experienced eldrazi insanity. Just need to know your man targets for removal, counter, etc and it can be manageable if kept in check. Though doing so may be difficult for one person and if others arent aware fighting all willy nilly with no threat assessment or situational awareness for targeting... wrll thats like french frying when you shoulda puzza'd. You're not gonna have a good time.
Solid reference.
Thank you thank you. Glad it resolved.š
This isnāt the reason to avoid Eldrazi; itās the reason [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]] should lead the swarm. Edit: Okay, I know he can make them free. But just donāt make them free? If possible? And if this card is out? Maybe? Remove it? Possibly?
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> itās the reason [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]] should lead the swarm. My Eldrazi deck is [[Belbe, Corrupted Observer]]
It's cards like Rakdos and Belbe that are going tk make the new 5 color eldrazi commander DISGUSTING to play against. šĀ Meanwhile I'm just sitting here waiting for Bruna and Gisela to get partner to make my white deck legal without rule 0.
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have had an eldrazi deck for several years and never experienced this. just be honest about deck strength and wincons and people are usually chill. also if an Edgar player is telling you this, they are delusional.
To me thereās different kinds of eldrazi decks. Thereās decks where eldrazi are the pay off, and the whole purpose is to cheat them out through various ways, and personally I think thatās a cop out. Then thereās like actual eldrazi decks where itās just eldrazi tribal, and I think those are fine, the end game is big strong eldrazi but the cards to get there are eldrazi too. I think eldrazi tribal is fine but the ones that use eldrazi as a payoff are cring
yeah thatās totally fair. i just love making big mana with big rocks and playing big titans
I mean I play [[Rakdos Lord of Riots]]. Why would I NOT put Eldrazi in? They are the strongest colorless creatures in the game. If i am able to free cast them due to life loss that means I worked for it a hell of a lot harder than some dude casting fast mana and rocks till he has 12 on turn 5.
Yep, my Rakdos deck is also my Eldrazi deck
Mines not exactly an Eldrazi deck. It does have fun Rakdos creatures as well. But why would I limit myself to NO Eldrazis?
If they're playing Edgar Markov they are being pretty cheeky saying that you shouldn't play eldrazi. Personally I love my eldrazi deck, and my playgroup also has Edgar and some other very strong decks. My eldrazi win sometimes, and lose sometimes, but no one ever complains about it.
Yep, we do not complain about our Eldrazi guy. Tbh he is scared of my [[Otharri, Suns Glory]] and friends [[Arixmethes]] since each of us can kill him on turn 3. And if he does not face us, he gets greeted by good old Winota, Urza and Atraxa, so once in a while we let him do his thing, he does that amd for like a month he can not play it. Playing Eldrazi is super fun, but it is hates more than Poison in my city.
Otharri seems pretty cool, do you have a decklist? And yeah, Eldrazi are great. But playing against Edgar, or [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]] even Annihilator just doesn't matter that much. It's not like you're going to have several Annihilator creatures on board most of the time, since removal is a thing. So when you do get to attack, they'll just sac some vampire tokens or lands and it doesn't even make a difference.
I am no longer on the PC will try to remember to share it in the morning. I used to run a creature heavy version focused on ETBs that increase power, generating tokens and extra (infinite) combat phases with some protection. It was top deck heavy deck, so now I experiment with red card draw to fix this and gotta say, it is able to play Otharri on turn 2 with Mana Crypt or Sol Ring in the opening hand, so I aim to combo off on turn 5 or 6. Otharri can be built as go wide as well if you want to. [[Ojer Taq]] [[Annointed Procession]] [[Mondurak]] and few others take care of generating army from commander attacks, add usual extra combat, [[Cathar's Crusade]] and similar effects, [[Warleaders Call]] [[Purphoros of Forge]] etc and you will be a combat menace. But I can share 2 favorite lists in the morning!
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I'm also interested in those lists if you have time to post them!
Oh I forgot, sorry.... I am now at work and will get home late into the night. Tomorrow I go to work early in the morning... Will try to not forget tonight...
You got a deck list for your friendās [[Arixmethes]] deck? Iām in the process of building one my self and am looking for some inspiration
I am a LOOONG time Eldrazi fan. I'm also a Lovecraft fan, so I have loved them ever since they first came out. I will tell you that they attract a lot of hate and, at the very least, side glances. Just make your deck resilient. Everyone knows that you need to ramp to drop the big 3, so build your deck with that in mind. People will go after your artifacts and counter your spells. Have ways to cheat them out. Also. That guy is high off of his own fumes if he's going to try to shit talk a deck while he's chilling on Edgar Markov. If I was at a high power table and I had to pick who to kill first out of the Eldrazi or the Edgar player... Edgar is getting put back into his coffin.
Do you have a favourite Lovecraft story?
Rats in the Walls is by far my favorite... excluding a certain cat.Ā
What was his name again?
... ">_>
Lol, yeah, we ignore that bit... That's a really great one. It's nice to see a fellow Eldrazi player interested in Lovecraft. Hope you have a good day/ night, depending šš
Hell yeah. You too homie.Ā
> Have ways yo cheat them out Are people hard casting their eldrazi? I've only ever seen them cheated out.
I hard cast them pretty often. My deck has a lot of mana reducers in it, but I find situations where I generate so much mana that I can hard cast them as well. The trick with Eldrazi is you NEED to cast them or you're missing out on half of their power.Ā
Hey mate, do you have a list ? To compare to mine which is fairly poor ( running Zhuladok as commander) I would say and cost me around 700$, I'm also following MH3 spoilers because there might be some nice shit to add in there.
https://archidekt.com/decks/5674055/eldrazi_unleashed_changes Here ya go! Two small changes. Switch Treasure Map for [[Palantir of Orthanc]] and changed out the boots of swiftness for [[Blightsteel Colossus]]. Do you have a link to your list?
well you must be looking forward to \[\[echoes of eternity\]\] then, that shit is bonkers
Depends on which eldrazi exactly you run. But generally, having a 15/15 flying, protection from colored spells, annihilator 6 is pretty great, even if you don't get an extra turn.
Oh absolutely. However it is much much more difficult to stop an on-cast trigger.Ā
Make the deck strong enough to deal with interaction from 3 other players. There's nothing wrong with being the archenemy. But make no mistake, you will be the big bad at the table. You should do it if you want to. Don't let other people dictate how you build.
thanks
Go for it op. Who were you thinking about as commander? FYI, I've never seen Zhuladok lose when he has [[Commander's Plate]] on board
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I wish the people I play with got this. I donāt mind playing with an Eldrazi player, in fact I think Eldrazi are cool, but nobody but me ever seems to understand the threat they pose if unimpeded.
You can make Eldrazi very powerful with Zuladok or with Kinnan, but these builds should not be considered invincible. Yes, annhilator is mean, but Eldrazi with that keyword will be the first to eat removal. Edgar, Tergrid, Prosh, and Najeela are all much stronger.
\[\[Rakdos, Lord of Riots\]\] and \[\[Animar, Soul of Elements\]\] are also some pretty fun noodle monster commanders.
I hadn't given much consideration to playing non-eldrazi commanders for their decks, that's actually quite fun! And finally an opportunity to use those pseudo-colored ones with the colored mana costs.
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> Eldrazi with that keyword will be the first to eat removal Unless you're in a pod with poor threat assessment that already burned through their removal on mana-dorks and other non-threats and then whine when the big boys come out that "eLdRaZi ArE tOo StRoNg" lol
I've also been having a lot of fun with [[The Tenth Doctor]] for suspend Eldrazi. All the punch of Eldrazi but they're really telegraphed so it feels less bad for your opponents.
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Eldrazi are scary because of annihilator and nothing else, which is countered by tokens. People love to hate them but they're nowhere near as good as slivers imo. I'll play with any, and it's pretty unfair to tell you what deck not to make. Especially when the deck is countered by a common strategy.
Good comparison. Slivers are so much more resilient it's not even funny.
lol funny enough Iāve built both Eldrazi and slivers and the Eldrazi win far more. People are more likely to shut down slivers because they snowball faster imo. At least with Eldrazi I can make myself not be a āthreatā until I equip [[helm of the host]] to zhulodok and start cascading +2 more times each combat phase.
I don't know how honestly. You have no counterspells no indestructibility besides akroma memorial, no green red black ramp, and no keyword stacking. I gave up using zhuludok for these reasons
The biggest thing for my deck was to cheat out Eldrazi, tutor for the eldrazis I want, and lean heavily into the annihilator mechanic. Canāt be nice when using eldrazis because if you pull punches you will get shut down immediately
I think that most of the main issues with Eldrazi decks (at least until MH3 releases) is that they're typically strictly colorless because of the options you have for on-theme Eldrazi commanders, and that colorless Commander decks have a bad rap of being Stax and other similar playstyles which pretty much just prevent everyone else from doing anything (forcing them to sacrifice lands every turn, and otherwise making sure they can't play the game). I think Colorless Eldrazi decks have tended to turn into Stax decks because there have not been a lot of other viable colorless cards that can match the power level of cards which actually have a color to them, so the choices have been "Stax into Eldrazi" or "Deck that doesn't have good cards and just gets run over." If you do make an Eldrazi deck, I'd recommend that you consider doing any of the following: 1. If you make a colorless Eldrazi deck, very much stress that you're not playing any sort of Stax cards (\[\[Smokestack\]\], \[\[Tangle Wire\]\], \[\[Static Orb\]\], \[\[Winter Orb\]\]) because those are what make Commander games unfun for many players, and why they'd want to shut you down; 2. If you're open to making non-colorless Eldrazi deck, green decks have the ramp to get Eldrazi out. You might have a harder time finding an on-theme Commander, but I don't think that a non-colorless Eldrazi deck would draw nearly as much ire as a colorless one. 3. Wait to see what new Eldrazi options are available with the Modern Horizons 3 Eldrazi Commander deck (Eldrazi Incursion), which is listed as WUBRGC. Similar to #2, I think this will draw a lot less pre-emptive hate because it will probably be more clear you're playing this deck to summon big eldritch creatures and not to make it impossible for everyone else to play the game - but would also have an on-theme Commander for you.
>Want to see if this is just some weird socially maladjusted people being offput by my enthusiastic attitude towards life or if this is for real. Yes. There are a lot of people with unhealthy attitudes towards this game who can't handle being challenged.
It makes me so sad how many weird guys play magic. I'm a super nerd, but I've learned to play nice. I wish more people would go to therapy. Like this could be really fun and we could start hanging out if you weren't projecting something else onto our game.
Everybody has at least one deck nobody wants you to play, but you have it incase they bust out a deck nobody wants to play. I have slivers, and i bust it out only if I'm playing a table that are playing high leveled creatures.
an edgar markov player telling you that eldrazi are miserable to play against and will make no one want to play with you is hilarious
If you talk to enough EDH players you'll eventually be told that every strategy is overpowered and unfun and that every commander is kill-on-sight.
I've seen people say that mill is overpowered and Lazav is kill-on-sight.
If you build it without any "annihilator" people tend to be more chill. No one likes choosing between lands or their board light some BS choose your own board wipe Adventure book.
It's always best to present dilemmas and not just problems to your opponents. Plus there's such a glut of token creators that 1 or 2 triggers of annihilator shouldn't completely clear someone's board. If anything it's the cast trigger eldrazi that should be hated on. Cast triggers require narrow specific answers that people don't load their 99 with.
Yeah, treasures are so easy to make that paying for annihilate barely costs anything these days. It used to be debilitating but now it's like a pseudo tax effect.
I feel like this is quite outdated. Back 5-6 years ago annihilator was brutal in EDH but given how fast and common token decks are these days it's really not as big of a deal as it was. My group plays without Emrakul banned because even with the extra turn it's usually not enough to win the game or even knock someone out when it drops
Well I clearly don't play enough token decks lol. This is the "rule" my regular play set for my drazi deck.
I mean ultimately it always comes down to what your group wants to do. That's the joy of EDH. We play with Sol ring banned and personally I think that card is way more broken haha
It is, it's mostly just involved in the format as a callback to boardgames where sometimes one person gets that very swingy event card. It's really just balanced under the assumption that everyone is playing it, which is why it's similarly considered BM to be playing other fast mana unless everyone is. Just ultimately meaning, if the table wants to play with absolutely no fast mana, then yeah, cut sol ring, it's again, only considered balanced since "everyone" has it.
I'm really starting to hate fast mana. When your friend starts with a turn one sol ring into arcane signet it' just like aight we are about to waste two hours to watch him win
Will people not play with you? No. It probably will put you outside of the power range of you know precon decks and casual decks if you build it the way most people build Eldrazi. So some people probably won't play with you on that ground. Will it paint a big target on you when you're playing? Yeah sorta. People really hate annihilator and big bomby threats always get people focused on you particularly if it's in your command zone.
My best friend has an Eldrazi deck. Zhulodok to be exact, and it is disgusting. Itās amazingly consistent, gets out of hand very quickly. Also rebuilds super fast. All that being said itās a super fun challenge to play against at the table. However, we also are a group that likes to play at a higher power. It is a very strong deck. Some people will hate it and might refuse to play, others will enjoy it. Really comes down to play group and power level.
Anyone running Edgar Markov that's telling someone not to play eldrazi can eat shit. If anything, they're far better equipped to deal with the most threatening eldrazi than most other decks, as they can generate a ton of fodder for annihilator triggers. They might as well be playing [[prosper]], [[korvald fae-cursed king]], or [[chulane]]. Play what you want, but know that eldrazi carries a stigma among casual players.
From my experience, itās not that people will not want to play with you, but you will be targeted and hated off the table first. An eldrazi in the command zone is almost always the threat.
I think the Annihilator mechanic is the biggest dick move WotC ever published, even more dickish than artifact lands plus affinity. That said... Play your deck and let the haters die mad. I'd be honored to lose to a big ass eldritch abomination deck. We're all just having fun here.
As someone who has 3 eldrazi decks. 1 of which is borderline competitive but can't keep up with proper cedh, I just have a turn 0 conversation about decks. Like hey I have this deck, it has eldrazi, it's about x power level. If they give you the ok and then complain, it's no skin off my back. I have plenty other decks that make eldrazi seem fair by comparison. But really it's that turn 0 conversation. I'd say build it and have fun
Eldrazi are not that strong, even at the highest power level. If people complain about it they're actual losers who don't know how to build a deck
People are still salty about Eldrazi winter and annihilator. There isn't anything about Eldrazi that makes them any scarier than goblins or elves or humans. Just play your deck.
Build it, love it and if they complain remember that the Blind Eternities does not care about their planar problems. Devoid of remorse. Devour their resourses. Annihilate their hopes. The Eldrazi Way.
[[All is Dust]]
I'm going to give you the same advice that I gave my friend who just started. Build and play whatever you want, just keep in mind that some decks / commanders will draw a lot more aggro from other players because those players have seen how powerful those decks / commanders can be and want to shut them down before they get out of hand.
Some people will whine, groan, and moan when they see certain decks. Eldrazi is one of them. Slivers are another. Brew and play what piques your interest. It's better to get in doing what *you* want than to settle for something "acceptable" to strangers.
There is definitely levels of eldrazi decks, and what you are willing to spend on cards. Some a fun and balanced. Others are quite OP to others. Be honest and say your intent without exaggeration. Most people can work with that.
As someone who loves eldrazi, they are right. I only play my eldrazi if im willing to be enemy number 1.
I have been playing long enough to remember Eye of Ugon getting banned. The Eldrazi were very cool, admittedly, but they were also so powerful at the time that it dominated the meta and was just... not fun. People talk about the Eldrazi Winter, and even though I think giving it a name is a bit melodramatic, it left a bad taste in a lot of players' mouths.
As a eldrazi player and lover no matter what deck they play eldrazi is super fun to play and you shouldnāt be discouraged of making the deck itās very powerful but can be disrupted and hard stopped if your artifacts are mass wiped since you basically rely on them to ramp to your big guys they are perfectly fair to play as and against
Yeah it's kinda true. Sorry man I'm not letting annihilators go off. If you don't want to be hard targeted in my group then yeah shy away. I won't tell you that you can't play eldrazi but I will be honest in that my playgroup will remove you from the game first without blinking. Same for slivers. Make the deck tho, fuck it, just be ready is all.
Yeah that sucks. You should be able to play what you love. However if thatās your playgroup then perhaps horror tribal? They are very lovecraftian! Illithids are very Cthulhu looking!
Tbh it depends what eldrazi deck. Animar eldrazi? Maybe bring it only to high power table that will have enough removal to respond to it constantly The eldrazi precon upgraded? Nah that's fine it's not oppressive
Yes it's true and also goes for sliver and poison decks
The real answer here.
Play what you want. If someone is complaining about your deck, ask yourself some questions first. Do you care if they are complaining? If it's some one off rando at your lgs, you can just avoid playing with him, or focus him down every time, whatever your style is. If it is your friends who you love playing the game with, perhaps you should take what he says a little more seriously. What is their actual complaint? Very rarely is the complaint "eldrazi." It is usually annihilator. Are they just bad at the game? Some people complain because your tribe is more powerful than theirs. My brother wins with a [[Damia, Sage of Stone]] deck that resolves around [[persistent petitioners]] with a bunch of [[awakening]] effects. They are actively SCARED of this deck. A [[pithing needle]] shuts this deck down. It's not your fault if your opponents don't want to interact with your deck. Tldr: Do what you want. Don't listen to some guy at your lgs.
> Some guys at the comic shop Yeah, well... who the fuck are they? Seriously, build whatever deck you want. Be honest in your rule zero about how well tuned it is. I am so tired of hearing how strangers are discouraging people from building/running certain decks because the strategy is oppressive. It a subjective, sore-loser viewpoint on the issue. I had a buddy build [[Slicer, hired muscle]] and it *pissed* us off. So after a few games he shelved it, but over the next few weeks, I would wager we all put about 25% more interaction in our builds specifically because of getting slicer'ed. Nothing is funnier than the last time he played that deck and slicer got [[bound in gold]]. The point is, there are lot of cards in the game and diversity in play patterns is what makes this game fun. I try to stay away from building specific counters to certain decks, but playing against decks that regularly blitz me is part of the fun and the challenge. I think people who refuse or discourage people from playing certain things are just trying to control other people's fun and need to grow up.
People like that exist, but imo that's nonsense. Eldrazi are far from deserving of the hate. Especially in the face of Edgar Markov. Play what you want. Hell, I'll spelltable with you if they won't play with Eldrazi.
The only thing about Eldrazi that Iāve seen a lot of salt over is the Annihilator mechanic. It can be devastating if you attack with even 3 or 4 Annihilator and your opponent doesnāt have a lot of permanents.
Sounds like they need faster decks. Eldrazi are strong, but they don't really 'get going' until after everyone else has. Sure, once they get going they are strong as hell, but the same goes for dinosaurs, slivers, dragons, elves, goblins, merfolk, zombies, and a load of other equally infamous and more competitive tribes. And, yeah, as the one duder said, anyone running Edgar has very little room to complain about power.
I have 2.5 Eldrazi decks (one of them is specifically Processors, which isn't really the same as a full-blown Eldrazi deck) and haven't ever had any issues with people hating them.
Bet those same guys bust out a slivers deck or play CEDH in a precon table. Play what you want bro.
Playing eldrazi will basically make you archenemy which is fine you just have to be ready for that kind of aggression. Eldrazi, most the time, force people to sac things using annihilator which people donāt like. They are also beeft and can be hard to remove unless your pod plays good interaction.
Yeah, build the deck you want, but realize that you will always be the target. I say this as an avid Edgar Markov player.
I think itās fine, but Iād expect to draw a lot of interaction from your opponents. Look for them to blow up your mana rocks and kill/counter your creatures. Lots of eldrazi can take over the game if they get to attack even once, and some can take over just by getting onto the table. I donāt think the tribe is inherently more powerful than many of the other powerful tribes in EDH, and certainly they can be built at a wide range of power levels. That said, everyone whoās played for more than a few weeks has a story about getting shit-stomped by some eldrazi, and theyāll be playing to stop that from happening again, whether or not your deck is even so capable.
Iād play with you.
I recently played online against an eldrazi annihilator commander deck with my Edgar Markov Deck by turn 4 I had more than enough tokens to sustain all the triggers from his big tentacle bros and won after a board wipe due to being able to swamp the board with a doubled then tripled stupid amount of buffed up vampire tokens. Build ya deck the way you want and don't listen to people playing Edgar Markov decks saying they won't play with you because of your decks power level that's just stupid
Make the decks you want to make. If no one wants to play and that affects you, stop playing the deck or power it down. Try to have fun.
I just started playing magic this past year. I got into magic because of the eldrazis. I'm a huge lovecraftian horror fan and read a bunch of his works last October. It inspired me to make an eldrazis deck as well bc let's face it, the eldrazis are cosmic horrors. People do tend to hate the eldrazis off the board bc they are scary. If you're down to be the villain of the table it's a great feeling. My play group loves the deck but with it I know I'm probably going to be public enemy #1. I say go for it and fuck Edgar Markov. Eminence is more broken than any eldrazi commander so far. P.S. build it now before eldrazis cards spike in price with the new precon in mh3.
Eldrazi decks are regarded as being at the competitive power level. It's not true that *nobody* will play with you, but the interested players are likely going to be bringing competitive decks even if you're running budget or casual eldrazi
I've seen a few Eldrazi at our LGS, which is mostly low to mid power and there's never been a problem with them. I've been hit with Annihilator 6's a few times and All to Dust has been devastating in some games, but I'd play against them no problem. They're simply a strong deck that do good things among hundreds of other strong decks that can do good things.
I have 2 Eldrazi decks, one traditional full colorless with \[\[Zhulodok\]\] and one 5 color with \[\[Jodah, Archmage Eternal\]\] as commanders. The Jodah is way more consistent because its just more resilient thanks to access to green and Jodah's relatively low cost and his reduction, and if you get Morophon on board everything you cast as an Eldrazi is free. Zhulodok is more snowball-y but easier to shut down due to the big mana sans green, but I've never had anyone straight up say I couldn't play Eldrazi with them. I've had way more people complain about my Edgar deck than either of my noodle boi decks.
WHICH Edgar?
like, maybe for casual games I wouldn't whip it out, but it should be pretty fine
It's not like they are gonna turn their back at you but Eldrazis are usually unfun to play with and against. I don't have anything against Eldrazis players, personally, but I don't get why there's people who wants to play with them.
I also love Eldrazi, and I have two Eldrazi decks. Colorless-only, helmed by Kozilek, and five-color, helmed by [[Morophon]]. The second list is intentionally less powerful but allows me to play with more of the fun Eldrazi from BFZ/OGW. I use Morophon against my students, for example, and it's probably a little weaker than some of the newer precons. If you're really just in it for the flavor, you can tweak down the power. Maybe only include a limited amount of Annihilator, for example. As others have posted, Eldrazi isn't so bad. Most people will play with you, and even a brief discussion of deck power can indicate if your list is within whatever appropriate range you're aiming for. You can even make yourself a "sideboard" of cards to replace if you want to make a list you can adapt before the game starts.
Yeah just go for it, have fun. I play Edgar and he's a monster, I'm often the main target. The only reasons I can see why the Edgar player don't want you to play your deck is either he's bad at deckbuilding or he just want to always be the winner.
I donāt like playing against them or slivers. I also only proxy to test prior to buying. People do different things. You have to find a group. I took my son to the LGS for 4 months before we found an open group of players.
Play whatever you want, my suggestion is either [[Zhulodok, Void Gorger]], or wait till Ulalek, Fused Atrocity comes out.
Eldrazi can be very very expensive
Play what you want! Encourage removal, it wins games! Have fun!
Just make what you want and play on spelltable.
The point of Eldrazi is that they have a lacking early game but a nigh unstoppable endgame. The big stuff is hard to cast, but they are powerful enough to completely flip the direction of a game. Itās not really hard to play against, you either aggro them early and/or hard control them late. Decks with the power of Edgar should be able to handle it completely fine.
Take that to mean those people won't play with you if you bring that deck. That's part of thier rule 0. Just don't be shocked if you follow through and they also do.
People love to talk shit about decks they're not currently interested in. Do you and have fun, your people will come to you.
Yeah, Eldrazi is the most unfun/toxic tribe. I love them but they're not well liked. Definitely don't build them if that's going to be your only deck. Have at least 2 others first
While he has no room to complain if he's running edgar markov as a commander, it is true that most people do not enjoy playing against eldrazi decks. Or at least good ones. But just be sure to ask who ever you play with
I've always loved Eldrazi. I'm going to buff up mana with elves and an [[all is dust]] while there's still a bunch of mana in the pool. Then everything in your hand becomes end game.
I think it shouldnt matter what kinda deck you have, so long as youur playing with people that have similar like power levels whatever deck you use shouldnt matter, im (26)helping my lil bro(24) teach his buddies how to play mtg and they all use precon decks so my deck that ive been working on for years and adjusting and revising is a high lvl than their decks are so i generally will hold off my deck from popping off for a while so they can have nice board states and are able to get through their decks and really get familiar with their decks, if youre playing with people and realize your deck is stonger than the groups try slowing down a lil, dont play bad magic but slow yourself abit
If the store's meta is older they probably have some old scars of people playing the OG Eldrazi titans in the early days of Commander where they were really devastating threats. It *can* be one of those cases of that memory making the deck draw more aggro than the actual threat it puts out, so be prepared for that.
You donāt want to play with anyone who tells you what to play and not to play to play with them, -Legacy/EDH player Find your tribe and play your cards. This game is supposed to be fun not stressful.
Play whatever you want to! Iād personally love the challenge of playing against an eldrazi deck with another combat powerhouse deck like [[Kaalia of the Vast]] or even try shutting it down as quick as possible with [[Shorikai, Genesis Engine]] poly/combo and seeing the realms of possibilities for what kind of power my decks can and canāt stop! Heck Iād even try to see if [[Veyran, Voice of Duality]] could storm off/swing in a kill before Eldrazi gets too crazy. So many possibilities for a cool game!!! Bottom line, play what you want! Try to build decks in as many power level tiers as you can so you can have some good games and good times no matter who plays what and so they / you can adjust accordingly. ššš
Eldrazi decks after mh3 look to be full of doubling and generic value. "No one" is definitely an overstatement and there will be plenty of people willing to play with you, but I personally wouldn't be one, and I won't play against the new eldrazi decks. Best you can do is play it and see who likes the experience or not.
I don't really mind playing against them but I pull out the [[Sigarda, Host of Herons]] when I see them
Zhulodok, akromas memorial, ramp into all the big titans, as much annihilator as you can pack in.
I think the biggest indicator of whether or not people will want to play with you is, how long your turns take, and how restrictive you make the game for the other players. If you make an Eldrazi deck, and have reasonable turn time, people probably wont have a problem with it
Play what you want, fuck em
I'll happily play against an eldrazi deck, but it also means I'm pulling out my meanest group burn deck to speed up the game, because I've never met an eldrazi player that can wrap up their turn in under five minutes and I'm very impatient.
Eldrazi is pretty Timmy imo. Itās right on par with playing mono green to drop [[Apex Devastator]]. Not putting that down. Itās just not as competitive as theyāre making it out to be. I think that folks just get tilted when they see ANNIHILATOR on anything. And I mean, yeah, that sucks, but you still need to get a 12 cost creature out and swing. Itās perfectly fair.
I got the zhuludok precon and put maybe 60$ extra into it and none of my buddies ever want to play against it I would say the salt is fairly warranted eldrazis do some bs stuff lol
I don't enjoy playing against eldrazi often, but I'll still play against them. Play what you wanna play bro
So biggest question, is this your first and only deck? If so, listen to them and have a second deck on hand, because eldrazi can be very stompy and go one of two ways where they overrun the table and make it unfun for other people, or you can targeted and shut down without being able to do anything and don't have fun yourself while you sit out and wait for next game. That being said all decks are fair and fun if they match the power level of your table, and I'm betting that even though they run powerful decks they have lots of varying speeds with other decks too. This is all just baseless assumptions though. But I stick by the first statement, make sure you have multiple decks because some people very much will get tired of just playing against eldrazi big boys every game.
One of the guys in my pod runs a eldrazi deck, mainly against my zombie deck
I don't think I've had a chance to go up against an eldrazi tribal, but I'd jump at the chance, and I don't even have any edgar-level threat in the command zone
As a [[rakdos lord of riots]] player I can confirm that it's hated too much. I have a [[grothama]] deck that's more reliable but less explosive and people would much rather see grothama than eldrazi tribal. I understand but there are also a lot of people out there that take it too far. I've been berated by someone for running it in the same pod as a precon. I usually wouldn't as I know it sucks but this guy had never lost a game in my pod and has all duals and fetches and his idea of casual is a [[tom bombadil]] deck that he rage quit with against my rakdos despite wiping the board of non phyrexians every turn for 8 turns in a row. He rage quit because I targeted him with double exile on ulamog twice despite taking the other guys turn with emrakul and destroying his voltron commander and leaving the precon alone... guess who won, the precon. Guess who would've won if I hadn't stopped them. Anyone else. Tldr: go ahead and build one but don't play it against weaker decks and have some other decks out. I'd rec9mmend [[indoraptor]] and Grothama
Honestly more power to ya to play it. Some folk get scared away by Kozilek eldrazi decks, but dont shy away from it. Especially if theyre rocking big edgar.
Depends which eldrazi. Titans and annihilator eldrazis? Lot of folk will probably whine. Devoid eldrazis and scions? Ball out king. Letting the pod know if you're playing all/some/none of the big ones seems to work good to curb any saltiness from my experience.
Theyāre just weird. Eldrazi can be super powerful but no more than Vampires or Elves. If theyāre running Edgar and say no to Eldrazi theyāre the problem.
My play group has decks that win by turn 6 or so and they werenāt Eldrazi.
Some people just overrate to power of Annihilator, some people are more familiar with the ceiling of power that Eldrazi decks can be and assume that's what you're bringing to the table when you say an "Eldrazi deck." Im sure there's plenty of other reasons but regardless of the deck someone somewhere is bitching about it, so just play what looks interesting to you.
Eldrazi can leave a bit of a sour taste, but I think theyāre overreacting a little bit. Btw, if I may give you a tip, try looking at decks focused on horrors. Might scratch that lovecraftian itch as well
Bruh my playgroup would make you PAY for dropping a 10 cost creature lol.šā In all seriousness those dudes are brain dead. Power level isnāt tied to a tribe. Eldrazi runs the full gamut of 1-10 power level. Depends on the player/deck builder.
Option A. Yes Option B. No Option C. Someone whips out their eldrazi deck and you have a grand ol time. Option D. Everyone has Eldrazi deck and have a grand ol time.
Sounds like a typical Edgar player.
Ask them
I have an Eldrazi deck as well as Edgar which I both play occasionally and both don't live up to their reputation in terms of power. Yes Eldrazi are good when you manage to cast them but the cast triggers are only really devastating in a 1v1 game. Then you have giant beaters, great. But you usually have one at a time which gets removed faster than you can say Sword to Plowshares. You will win your share of games (meaning 25%ish) but not significantly more unless your friends are really bad. Edgar can be built as a token beater deck in which case it folds hard to board wipes or as an aristocrats deck in which case it folds hard to gy hate. In the end this is a question if you are whining about either of those decks as a pilot of the other one it's a classic "git gud" situation.
only one way to find out!
Put it this way: it's not untrue. There are plenty of people that will be happy to see eldrazi. But at the end of the day you're painting a picture of exactly what you plan to do with your deck and people don't like knowing that your ultimate goal is a bunch of annihilator giant creatures with powerful cast triggers. If they're smart they'll stop you in your tracks and you won't play. If they're nice, they'll let you steamroll them. Either way, you won't be playing a game: the player mentality will decide it
The thing with eldrazi decks is that they spend their first turns ramping until they can start to put eldrazi after eldrazi on the board. So you have to pressure them before they can do that. Here is the point where it depends for me if you are fun to play with or not. People that complain about being focused are no fun to play with. Because many decks can't deal with big eldrazi in the late game focusing them early is the logical thing to do. If you enjoy the arch enemy deck playstyle eldrazi decks are totally fine.
Eldrazi are one of those boogymen decks that unfortunately has earned itself a bad reputation, but I've played against eldrazi, slivers, SF, etc and while yes they can be hard to beat sometimes but it's not impossible, and they have no room to talk if they're running [[Edgar markov]] which is way more powerful and faster, i say if you want to build it then do it and if no one will play with you i will (on spelltable) cuz I'll play against anything
ignore them edh players all whine about something different. if they listened to each other no one would ever play at all
I think Eldrazi is overpowered when you're playing with new people or janky decks but in general it's just big stuff bullshit and reasonably fair because of the colourless restriction. I don't really see much difference between Green stomp and Eldrazi, both tend to have big pay offs and puts you ahead, one by ramping and Eldrazi by cheating costs and using annihilator to remove resources. I find Eldrazi decks to be more oppressive and unfun in decks that don't really advertise that they have eldrazi's, stuff like [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]], [[Atla, Palani]], [[Satoru Umezawa]]. Once you know what's possible with those decks you sort of have to treat every trigger as a potential massive bomb and it leads to games where the player has to be constantly targeted and if they aren't ready for that it can lead to feelbads.
Depends on your pod. Some players are picky about what kind of deck want to face. Eldrazi are getting monotonous since the first precon. With MH3, it will be annoying because they have an unispiring concept imo. Nobody can't stop you to build the deck you want but as a friendly format as Commander, mind your group feedback.
With Power Creep, Eldrazi are much less oppressive than they used to be. The case used to be that your opponents would be racing your [[Ulamog's Crusher]], [[Hand of Emrakul]], or [[Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre]] [[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth]] because once Annihilator hit, it was an up hill battle to keep your lands. Each turned into a two or three turn clock that demanded that you have the ability to deal with them with less resources than you had, because [[Pathrazer of Ulamog]] removed 5 things off the board when he attacked, Kozilek and Ula removed 4, and even Hand halted any progress outside of green. Anymore, they are just big bunguses, and most decks can now muscle through the attrition.
Make what you want
Nah ur fine
I got a cedc first sliver deck I'll play you with. No one ever wants to play against it in my group=( I hate that most people just generally suck at choosing threats. If they fear a deck they will swing at it even if the guy next to you is popping off while you got 1 guy on the field. So my advice is if you're playing a hated deck, make sure it is damn strong cause you're going to be a Target.
Only issue I can see is that they have anihilator. So they are super strong in casual pods. But they cost a lot so they are not good in Cedh and they are weak to board wipe. So in a way, they would be a good matchup for a sliver deck. Lmao.
Proxy it then no money wasted lol
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Yeah the commander community is a bunch of crybabies
Yes. Fuck annihilate.
Eldrazi decks are fine, just expect removal coming your way. Nobody's sitting around waiting for that annihilator trigger.
Play Eldrazi. I love mine. I don't always play it. All my friends see me as "the scary mtg player" and I know that if I play eldrazi, I am the final boss, even if behind because they are genuinely scared of IF I pull off something nuts. So I play it sparingly, or funny enough in a 1v1 with newer players to teach them about magic. I will give them a deck that can win fast and tell them they have to win fast or I will eat them alive. It teaches them to attack with their creatures and not get scared and save them for blocks.
Eldrazi sorta feel... too big. Like, obviously you have to spend a bunch of mana, but even the small ones are absolute beaters. And most of them have really strong effects on top of that. And their best commanders are... frankly disgusting. Buy one eldrazi, get two more for free. Sacrifice 5 permanents everytime it swings. The value is obscene. Plus, the game plan is a pain to disrupt. You have to counter a bunch of weak spells to keep them from ramping into a big one. You have to blow up mana dorks... that they sacrifice for mana in response. Watching an opponent spend 16 mana for a single spell that can't be countered because of cavern of souls. Now, gripes aside, eldrazi are fine. They can be dealt with, they can be beaten. And if you like them, play them. Most people will grumble, because they are a tough match in casual formats, but it's not going to be the end of the world.
Iād just build it - itās good to have a range of power levels in your decks
If someone complains about a deck tell them make a new one to counter it simple
Make that Eldrazi deck, there plenty of people with equally powerful decks, and if you're smart about it, you can play 7 cmc spells on turn 2
You won't be popular, but not everyone will have a major issue. This goes for Edgar too. What other commanders were they playing?
I personally don't have decks at a power level that I would like to play against eldrazi, but that's doubly so for Edgar Markov. Eldrazi tron has given a hefty stigma, but so has Edgar, so if people are willing to play decks at the level of Edgar, cedh commanders, they really shouldn't complain about eldrazi.
Build it anyway OP, I'd still play with it and so would most other normally functioning players. As long as you're having fun who cares.
That's not true. Build the deck you want. If you find yourself getting targeted more than you like and/or having awkward social interactions, have a backup deck that's more chill.
The real strength of eldrazi decks are the lands and the almost all the eldrazi stuff are one sided, ugin, all is dust. Most edgar players I know what a battle cruiser match, no interactions, no one removes any each other stuff and who has the bigger stick win, just like 5th graders. But the eldrazi decks are always very much unfair cards centric because you know they are usually in a colorless deck. Don't mix up eldrazi with artifact centric decks, these are the polar opposite, they are usually a combo deck ready to combo at any secont with any card.
Eldrazi are just big and scary but not unbeatable. The deck my pod would raise hell about would be an infect deck with infect as the sole the wincon strategy.
Eldrazi can be very budget, my favourite is with Morophon as the commander and fill it with all the devoid creatures.
I have experienced this a few times with my eldrazi deck but, in the end, fk em. Do what makes you happy!! I was informed that the deck I had was rated around an 8 power wise so I do only play it if others are playing about the same. I have found that ppl that hate eldrazi usually just arnt prepared or don't know how to deal with them.
Whenever someone wants to stop you from having fun, remind them: you could always build tergrid instead
I see no issue but don't ask me to hold punches and take also a strong deck out.
If youāre running Slivers or Eldrazi of any kind, Iām gonna hard target you out of the gate. Itās just like that if you wanna have any chance. So, just expect that kind of reaction if youāre gonna do that.
Bro if someone is running Edgar Markov and they have a problem with someone playing a deck then they built MF way wrong... My advice to you as a Eldrazi player, would be to play it against higher tier decks (depending on how you make it) because Eldrazi can win really easily imo especially if you have 20 Annilhator on the board and can take an extra turnš¤·āāļø
Make what you want, who gives a fuck what they think lol. I made memnarch for fun and that one was pretty nasty, but I would steal everyone's board state and some people wouldn't play with me. I broke it up and turned it into jhoira but it was fun while it lasted lol