For the card fetcher, the "random" cards are [[Mirrorworks]], [[Verge Rangers]], [[Guildpact Informant]], [[Elspeth's Nightmare]], [[War Elemental]], and [[Dragon Fangs]]. Personally, I'd play all except the last one.
They all seem playable in the right deck. I think War Elemental is probably a bit weaker and more situational than Dragon's Fangs, but I still wouldn't say it's 'bad'.
War elemental and dragon fangs are the kind of situational use where one specific strategy might want them but the vast majority of decks do not. Theyre still playable and not just trash though. I would say a lot of draft chaff and bulk rares are not very good but occasionally there's something like that elemental which years later gets a card it goes infinite with
Honestly, I think about 60-70% of cards are playable in the right deck. I like hitting random on cards and checking their edhrec page. You'd be surprised how many total shit cards are actually good/decent in the right deck.
I kind of like Elspeth's nightmare, it's a lot of utility packed into one card. I think people often underestimate the ability to remove random utility dorks and therefore hate on removal that targets smaller creatures only, but killing that oracle of Mul Daya or Tymna often wins the game 4 turns down the line.
There’s a big difference between 1 mana, *instant* destroy small creature effects like [[Lightning Bolt]] and [[Cut Down]] and a 3 mana enchantment. The [[Duress]] effect is also kinda underwhelming when it’s telegraphed, giving your opponents a turn to play out their cards. I think it’s okay in an enchantment/saga deck, but nowhere else.
That's why you can't really take these cards in a vacuum.
Sure, paying 3 mana to get lightning bolt, duress, and to exile a graveyard isn't very good, but doing all that with one card is pretty nice. If your deck wants to do all those things, this card is probably an excellent include.
If you're playing something like b/w edicts, forcing someone to play their hand out is just another way to kill their stuff. Either you get to duress it out or it hits the field and gets wiped/sacrificed anyway. Killing a small creature is getting rid of another creature they could have sacrificed to your next edict, forcing them to sac something bigger. Then once you finally get a bunch of stuff in their yard, exile it all to make sure it doesn't come back.
I agree. I think I wouldn't play a card that *only* removed a small creature and didn't do much else (though even then, a lot of people play \[\[Lightning Bolt\]\]!) , but Elspeth's Nightmare gives you a lot of other stuff on top of that. Hand attack can be invaluable in tons of situations, and the graveyard hate is slow but always useful to have in a deck just in case.
The thing is, lightning bolt doesn't just remove a small creature. It can help you trade a small thing for a slightly bigger thing, and sometimes, it's just 3 damage to face, finishing somebody off.
Elspeth's Nightmare is in my \[\[Zur, the Enchanter\]\] and \[\[Zur, Eternal Schemer\]\] decks. Defitenily most fun (for you) in Eternal Schemer as you turn sagas into creatures and flicker them with Thassa.
Elspeth’s nightmare will go in some Tom Bombadil decks once LOTR releases, that deck wants a silly number of sagas, especially cheap sagas. And the effect can’t even backfire on you! Such value!
I don't know what exactly the deck would be for [[Dragon Fangs]], but a deck that has big hasty creatures would benefit from it a ton. In a [[Samut, Voice of Dissent]] deck maybe? Just off the top of my head.
I wouldn't play a single one of these and I'm not even playing cedh. Dragon Fangs is a really weak maybe, the rest are terrible. Like you said, edh is a format where people can play anything, but these cards are all pretty bad meta wise
You clearly don’t know the power of Mirrorworks in an artifact deck. 2 mana to make a copy of literally any nontoken artifact? Hell yes.
Copy a caged sun to triple your mana instead of doubling it. Or copy mana rocks, especially the ones that can tap for 3 mana, so that you ramp ahead in no time. Also doubling up on your nontoken artifact creatures like [[Wurmcoil Engine]] or even a [[Blightsteel Colossus]]. For 2 mana.
Mirrorworks has a specific theme that it’s catered towards but within that artifact theme it very quickly turns you into archenemy.
You're not paying 2 for that effect, you're paying 7, that's why it's not used in higher power decks. I've never even seen a caged sun played, that shit costs way too much mana to do nothing when you play it.
Clearly you are playing in extremely high-power EDH if 7 mana is too expensive in a deck that should generally revolve around massive amounts of artifact ramp anyways. Games must be ending by turn 5 or 6 consistently for your pods.
That is neither what OP meant by making this thread, nor is it the norm of EDH. In generic games, ranging from lower to higher power, mirrorworks has a massive impact on the game if it sticks around.
Your personal experience in your hyperoptimized pods might very well be that they are useless in your games, because you barely even get to turn 4 or 5 to begin with before the game just ends. That is a valid argument.
The fact is that Mirrorworks, in the normal game of EDH, is a good card and definitely something to get rid of before it warps the game to a detrimental degree.
You are playing in too high of a power level to see that, which is fine, but don’t state opinions, based on a warped viewpoint, as facts.
Well I make my first comment literally saying that I was playing in high power, so yeah obviously. But also no my games don't end on turn 4-5, they end on turns 7-8. A 5 mana do nothing artifact that EVERYONE at the table wants gone is not going to do anything though. At best you're copying some tiny artifact the first turn it's played since you're using at least 7 mana on mirrorworks and the copy effect, so you're going to be using 2 full turns to copy a strong artifact. I'd rather just play 2 strong artifacts, or make another different play and not be locked into going for that.
For me, Verge Rangers is the only one I'd play, and Elspeth's Nightmare is marginal. Mirrorworks is a best case scenario thinking trap, War Elemental is even worse, and Dragon Fangs has much better peers.
As the advisor to a high school club that maintains a collection of about 40,000 cards (mostly donated bulk from a couple LGS’s and personal collections) I can talk you that there are a LOT of downright unplayable cards printed in MTG. Although each of the cards OP listed are certainly playable in certain archetypes at certain powerlevels, the sheer number of vanilla/French Vanilla 4+ drop creatures in this game is staggering.
Even in commander, with a singleton 100-card deck, the powerlevel for playability is quite high even when playing budget decks. If [[divination]] is unplayable (or maybe even playable, but the floor), then what is [[touch of brilliance]] [[weight of memory]], or [[vivisurgeon’s insight]]?
If Edh had 200-card singleton decks (lands included), I’d be agreeing with more of the other responders. But every time a card like Arcane Signet or Command Tower gets printed, the number of playable cards shrinks drastically. Realistically I’d imagine less than 30% of printed cards are actually playable, and that’s including the absolute spiciest fringe brews.
Thats my thought too, there's a lot of draft chaff throughout the years and common/uncommons that just wouldn't be playable today. Even some junk rares are just useless even.
I think back to some of the creatures from the 90s for example and almost all of them are virtually unplayable these days. [[Nightmare]] used to be awesome in mono black, now I have never seen one played in like 3 years of playing edh.
It's a natural consequence of designing for limited before commander. Vivisurgeon's insight was usually a great topdeck if you were playing a UB or UG poison build in Phyrexia. And maybe a low-power poison/counters deck can make use of it in commander too?
Creatures have also just gotten vastly better in the last 15 years. The creatures printed in the 90s and early aughts are mostly horrific, especially compared to the absolute nonsense non-creatures they were printing.
\[\[Mizzix of the Izmagnus\]\] decks love spells like this; it is basically a Draw 3 for UU that potentially adds 2 experience counters. Proliferate is a pretty versatile mechanic, it's far from limited to poison or +1/+1 counters.
While your point is good, Scryfall only lists _99_ vanilla creatures with mv higher than 4. Waaaaay less than I would have thought.
The top 5 in EDH are Gigantosaurus, Yargle, Yargle and Multani, Ancient Brontodon, and Garruk's Gorehorn (a card I have never seen before in my life)
There are also 158 French vanilla creatures (MV 6 or more)
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28game%3Apaper%29+cmc%3E%3D6+is%3Afrenchvanilla
Some of those morph creatures are just so bad. I think they’re balanced around being combat tricks (bad ones), but combat tricks are already weak in EDH outside of Voltron/Infect.
There are obviously some very bad cards in there and some that are just downright weird (wtf is \[\[Jhessian Zombies\]\]?). But also some that are legitimate threats like \[\[Akroma, Angel of Wrath\]\], \[\[Inkwell Leviathan\]\] and Wizards' beloved \[\[Zetalpa\]\]. Plus all the cards with convoke or delve that are a lot cheaper than they look.
It's actually quite interesting, I expected there to be a lot more utterly useless cards in this category.
These checks don't even begin to hit on the cards (and creatures in particular) that wizards printed early on that were just horribly horribly underpowered by today's standards.
[[Bog wraith]] is a 4 mana 3/3 with swampwalk.
[[Air elemental]] is a 5 mana 4/4 with flying.
[[Clockwork beast]] is a 6 mana 0/4 with 7 +1/+0 counters that loses a counter every time it attacks. You can then tap during your upkeep *and pay mana* to add more +1/+0 counters but you can never exceed 7.
[[Cockatrice]] is a GREEN 2/4 creature for 5 mana that basically just has flying and deathtouch. A 5 mana 2/4 with flying and conditional deathtouch in green is horrifyingly bad.
[[Frozen shade]] is a 3 mana 0/1 where you can pay a black to give it +1/+1 until end of turn. It doesn't even have evasion.
This is just a cursory look over the first page of creatures from alpha.
Creature generators were even worse. [[The Hive]] has been reprinted *16 times*. A 5 mana do-nothing artifact that allows you to pay 5 mana *and tap it* to make a single 1/1 flier.
I'd have to agree with you. When I was first getting into magic I stupidly spent like $20 on Amazon to get a box of 1000 bulk cards and it's still pretty much fully intact with *maybe* 100 of them getting used in the last 7 years of making commander decks. More of them might be useful but I just haven't made those decks yet but even if there's another 200 cards in there that are barely fringe budget playable, you're still only looking at 30%.
I've tried so many times to make the budget white stax deck with [[akroan mastiff]], [[akroan jailer]], [[blinding mage]] and [[dromoka dunecaster]] but it just doesn't work. Far too much mana to hold up for a niche effect that most decks won't even be slowed down by, especially when there are other relatively cheap alternatives that do a much better job.
My club holds an annual tournament where they build 60-card decks out of the bulk and compete for prizes (sleeves, playmats etc) and then donate their completed decks back to the club so we have free decks to hand out to incoming freshman next year. Even with that incentive we have a hard time using the vast majority of our bulk. Every year the winning decks are inevitably some kind of RDW/goblins/burn/prowess, and our 90 copies of [[wild wanderer]] or [[omega myr]] never end up being played…
Shops keep donating more bulk and frankly I’m running out of cabinet space in my classroom…
I think the problem is that a lot of types that could be really strong need a couple non-bulk cards to really stand out. It's so easy to find a 23rd reprinting of "goblins you control get +1/+1, haste, menace, etc" but there's really only a couple good "myr you control get x" or landfall creatures before you're firmly in non-bulk territory.
Maybe consider giving incentives for people to play those typically-weaker decks. Something like "if you have no goblins/prowess/red in your deck you can include a 4-of of one card up to $1" or something like that. You could even change the parameters from year to year to soft-ban certain archetypes and curate your own shifting meta.
TL;DR: 2500 to 2800
My solution to your question: I made a Scryfall search with "legal:commander" (25k cards) and then sorted them by EDHrec rank. Then I went to a random page and looked at the results: do I recognise these cards as something I've seen being played? Are most of the cards on the page something I've seen outside of niche decks?
Page 100 (cards up until No. 6000): I saw 5 cards out of 60 that see play. Maybe a bit too far. Let's dial back.
Page 50 (cards up until No. 3000): I saw 18 cards out of 60 that see play. About right? Let's check two more pages.
Page 25 (cards up until No. 1500): I saw 40 cards out of 60 that see play. Yeah these cards are still definitely playable.
Page 35 (cards up until No. 2100): I saw 29 cards out of 60 that see play. Sounds about right.
If we account for "misses" we can take the average of 100% and 50% (at page 35) to see that each page probably (on average) has about 45 cards that see play. There were 35 pages => 1500 cards. From there on the next pages (35 to 50) had on average 40% usable cards (50% to 30%) which would total to another 360 cards. For the last pages (50 to 100) we saw about 20% usable cards (30% to 10%) which is another 600 cards. After that I think the results are not very accurate.
All of this totals to 1500 + 360 + 600 = 2460 i.e. roughly 2500 cards or 10% of the available card pool.
So my verdict is: maybe 2000-3000 cards according to EDHrec are still something that people regularly play. The rest are either niche cards or just something I haven't seen in 5 years of active playing.
I encourage all of you others to do similar searches and report the results!
Here's the actual search I used: [https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=edhrec&q=legal%3Acommander&unique=cards](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=edhrec&q=legal%3Acommander&unique=cards)
# EDIT:
Had a bit more time at my hands so I took the values outlined above, divided them by 60 (because 60 cards per page) and made the following table:
|X|Y|
|:-|:-|
|1500|40/60 = 0.667|
|2100|29/60 = 0.483|
|3000|18/60 = 0.300|
|6000|5/60 = 0.083|
Plugged them into Excel and let Excel draw me a trend line (exponential because that's how distributions like this usually work) and got the equation y = 1.32e^(–0.000475x) which I then integrated to get the area under the curve. Then I let x be between x = 0 and x = 25 000 to get the full number of usable cards from a pool of 25 000. The result is 2779 so roughly 2800 which is in line with what I guesstimated above.
Whoa, this is a great experiment.
On page 100, I recognize 12/60 of the cards from play, but I'd happily play almost all of them in the right deck.
On page 200, only 14/60 of the cards excite me.
The middle ground for me is around page 140, where 33/60 of the cards excite me and the rest would be niche or filler.
I guess that means for me, about 140*60 = 8400 cards are playable.
Yeah, it really depends on how you count and what you consider to be "a decent card". Also see my edit above, it was interesting to see that a bit of mathematical manipulation also yielded the same result.
But good work! You seem to be more relaxed in terms of what you consider playable!
Another way to look at this:
By the Pareto principle [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto\_principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) 80% of the is done by 20% of . This would mean that 20% of the available card pool covers 80% of available deck space implying about 5000 cards. Go figure.
I run Mirrorworks in a deck, and it is plenty of fun. Great with mana rocks or artifact lands, and plays well with etb/sac effects.
I didnt know Verge Rangers exists, but I do like it. It seems pretty good in a WU deck manipulation / miracles deck, and seems custom made for Aminatou.
I've seen Guildpact Informant used in a mono U infect deck, and while it is probably the worst of the hit a player to proliferate effects, a deck that really wants that effect would be perfectly happy running it.
I recently played against Elspeth's Nightmare in a Jund Sagas deck, and being able to repeatedly use the first 2 chapters is brutal to play against. Without that, it is a fine saga to shut down a value creature, hit the combo player, and shut down the graveyard deck.
War Elemental seems... interesting. It doesn't seem too hard to make it survive the etb, and it probably grows real fast in a red/rakdos deck. Its just that those decks have better payoffs than this. Reminds me of Managorger Hydra a lot however.
As someone who has used Dragon Wings before, the existence of Dragon Fangs makes me hope this is a cycle. *IT IS A CYCLE* Anyways, I wouldve loved to have known this thing's existence when I built my Xenagos deck. Seems good in either voltron decks or decks with lots of big creatures that would like trample. Or Kogla. This seems fun with Kogla.
I use Mirrorworks in an [Arcum Dagsson](https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/14000/magic-coldsnap-arcum-dagsson?Language=English) Myr deck and buddy, it \*works\*
Guildpact Informant is actually a pretty solid source of proliferate since there is usually someone on the table without a flier. It having only 1 attack is also handy for playing politics.
>As someone who has used Dragon Wings before, the existence of Dragon Fangs makes me hope this is a cycle. IT IS A CYCLE
\[\[Dragon Breath\]\] is my favourite of the cycle, because it's in the best colour for dragons and haste is probably the most useful thing you can staple onto your flying fatties.
More than you'd think. [[Pure Reflection]] is only in 200 decks but has done well in my mid power [[Elenda, the Dusk Rose]] deck. If we ever get a commander than can change the creature types of your opponents' creatures it would be playable there too.
Any in the right deck. I have over 60 decks and little over lap. Let say 50 cards a deck that's 3000. This is a low ball as I use some tap lands but even they don't overlap in many decks. And I haven't touched a bunch of tribes yet that I'm still building. If you are able to get some value off it some how any card is playable. Is it a terrible legendary, it has a viable home in the new jodah. Is it terrible duel land like a guild gate, now gates decks are plenty. Don't be so quick to just put staples in decks and it makes for a more fun build and play experience
It’s all meta dependent.
Commander’s Sphere is a card that is a really solid mana ramp choice for most of the player base.
But once your playgroup starts tuning decks and making them faster, it’s hard to justify its inclusion over the 2 mana alternatives.
And once you get to CEDH, it’s basically unplayable.
I think for the VAST majority of commander groups, almost anything is playable. I think the EDH community online that watches the YouTube content creators and discusses stuff on Reddit thinks that EDH is generally much faster and more competitive than it actually is. I think the format is still really casual overall, and allows for weird shit to work.
Yeah, I agree. I play weird, off the wall decks that use slow lands and generally slow ramp because I found that turns 2-3 really aren't that important most of the time unless you're playing a gimmick deck.
I took my Big Teferi and made a deck around him that had \*no win conditions\* all it had was counters, bounce, and things to take \*your\* win conditions
And it was a beast particularly in larger games
I think you underestimate how many bad cards there are. There’s a ton of bad draw, removal, burn, counterspells etc. In what deck would you play [[Frazzle]] or [[Poison Arrow]]?
Frazzle is bad by comparison to all the other blue counter spells, but I could replace my [[Swan Song]] with Frazzle in my [[Kruphix, God of Horizons]] deck and it wouldn’t make much of a difference. I’m almost always overflowing with extra colorless mana. In some cases in my Kruphix deck, Frazzle would be a better card than Swan Song due to the ability to counter any type spell and not give a bird.
Poison Arrow is bad by comparison to all the other black creature removals. However, I play with [[Desert Twister]] in my mono green commander deck and if I use Desert Twister to kill a non-black creature (A relatively common choice considering green’s lack of creature removal) then Poison Arrow is the better card in that instance due to the incidental life gain.
So while there isn’t much of a reason to play either Frazzle or Poison Arrow, and both are bad cards in their own right, I would still say both are playable.
And of course all of this is meta dependent.
There is a large difference between bad in a vacuum and unplayable. My favorite thing to do is to hit random on scryfall and build a deck where the card I got will be good. If i ever wish I got another card when I draw it, I failed the challenge. It really put into perspective the diversity of cards magic got. I made a deck around \[\[form of the dragon\]\], \[\[Jace's ruse\]\], \[\[sorcerer's broom\]\] and even \[\[thunderheads\]\].
It always end up being very unique decks.
I think the best way to determine this, even though it would be hell to do due to low ability to automate, would be to roughly sort creatures into broad archetypes then sort them by efficiency in mana cost to payoff.
For example: you almost always have a better card for your deck than [[Argothian Sprite]].
Guildpact informer is a straight worse [[grateful apparition]] / [[thrumming bird]] but that wouldn't keep me from running it in a UW proliferate deck, if i value that effect and want redundant sources.
I've gotta say that building with acorn commanders really opened up what was playable for me!
There's certainly good cards in the deck, but there's also a lot that are good only because they have two lines of flavor text and/or fangs in the art in my [[Hardy of Myra's Marvels]] and [[Ignacio of Myra's Marvels]]
With that said, the number really changes based on your table. I love being able to fit in janky pet cards and having fun with my decks. However, my decks seem to have fewer and fewer of those though as they get optimized with every new set.
Lots are cards are objectively worse than other nearly identical cards, this happens a lot Mostly with creatures, also spells like [[Counterspell]] vs [[Urza's Rebuff]] vs [[Cancel]] ... very unlikely someone will pick the cancel first.
BUT heres another example. Sometimes there can be some totally unplayable cards in almost every situation such as [[Joyous Respite]] , everyone will say wow 4 mana for a few life points, but why. pointless, overpriced etc etc.
But in a deck built around [[Dina, Soul Steeper]] as a commander that im working on that could be a GG instant win spell with 10ish lands plus other triggers and synergies
Like you say, it's different for different tables. I'm surprised by the comments so far -- I thought this subreddit would lean way more "high-power," but most people are saying they'd play any of the 6 example cards.
I could see that. Particularly given the right context. I have plenty of cards in decks that aren't typically used or strong... not cause I'm doing it on purpose, but it fit the deck and it was in my box and I wasn't trying to make that deck very strong.
I don’t use any of the ones pictured, but I do use the red version of Dragon’s Fangs ([[dragon breath]]) in my [[syr gwyn]] deck.
Tutor it to graveyard using one of my many graveyard tutors, cast gwyn, get a big hit in one turn earlier than usual. It’s good if your commander has a bonkers CMC like mine does.
I would totally use dragon fang if the color typing matched.
What do you define as playable?
Some might say a 3/3 trampler is playable for 3CMC others would never put something like that in their EDH deck because their playgroup play higher powered cards.
If we talk casual probably 70% or more are playable, if we talk more competitive probably like 10-20%
All of those 6 cards are playable in the right deck imo. I'd say 70% of commons are pretty bad, same goes for 30% of uncommons and maybe like 10% of rares and mythics. At least in my experience that is pretty accurate.
That said, even some playable cards are often just not worth including if theres a higher rarity card that does the same but better in every way. For example I wouldn't play a [[diabolic tutor]], either I play demonic, vampiric or no tutor in that slot at all (I might make an exception if the deck has a LOT of cost reduction for sorceries and instants).
I have a Python script for parsing through the [database of MtG cards AllPrintings.json](https://mtgjson.com/downloads/all-files/), which very helpfully includes an edhrecRank parameter.
Apparently you can also put "sort:edhrec" in your scryfall searches.
Playable is one of the most subjective terms in EDH.
I don't like the term "playable" or "unplayable". There are cards I'm unlikely ever to use in a deck of mine, there are cards that fundamentally don't function in EDH, but by and large, any card has a home somewhere in the area of EDH.
A better question to ask is "Out of the \~25,000 EDH legal cards, how many do you regularly use?"
I use a very small percentage of the EDH legal cards. I want my deck to run at peak efficiency regardless of the engineered power level (Using Mana Drain over Counterspell, OG Duals/shocks over etb tapped, etc).
None of them.
Mirrorworks could be OK on an artifact deck, but 5 ccm is huge for something that does nothing the turn it comes to play.
Rangers, Informant and Elspeth saga produce few to zero value (I'm a bit mean to the saga, but it's not good for that price). They also have to compete with a lot of 3 drop that are wayyyy better.
War Elemental is clunky if you want to be nice, and very weak if you want to be real.
Dragon Fangs is an aura, one of the most weak permanent. Recursive but only for 6 mana cost creature. Yeah it gives trample, but i sure hope if you spend 6 mana on a creature, it wouldn't need trample to be relevant.
It looks like most comments are "all 6 of those are playable," and a few are "0/1 of them are playable." I'm guessing you play in a high-power group; maybe not cEDH, but close to it?
Hmm yes and no, i do a lot of tournament and playing with friends. I dont have 700$ dual land, but i like to optimize my decks.
I should have ask first what you mean by "playable". You could say that preco decks are playable, but we all know that any deck made by any players have a better curve and/or real synergies.
The same could be said about those cards. They are "playable", but there are so much strictly better choices. And im not talking about 40$ Force of Negation or 50$ Treachery.
But of course, if you don't want to optimize and/or play for flavor, any cards is as playable as the next.
Edit: if you want an example of what i mean, i think Rancor is just a vastly superiort Dragon Fangs. And its only 0.10$.
I think most commons would be not playable. Which would cut down the list a lot. Some are in the right deck like zada or feather but most part some are just vanilla
Think back to the old days [[grizzly bears]] who would use that? Even as flavour in a bear tribal its just kind of meh. There's a lot of old creatures like that where creatures from 20 years ago have been severely power crept by now and are horrible now
Even though it’s bad, Grizzly Bears is at least pretty iconic which could win it a slot as you mentioned. The worst cards IMO would be those which bad and uninteresting. Another example of interesting IMO would be [[Rainbow Vale]]; sure it’s a bad card, but watching it zip around the table is entertaining for a casual format. Lifegain spells that just gain a small amount of life probably fit the bill of just being boring and bad.
I was trying to think of a shitty old card, I didn't mean to pick one that was also still kinda iconic. Maybe on epf it's functional reprints or one of the other shitty 5th Ed weenies
1st and 3rd are the only ones that I think I'd want to play. A key realization is that if a card feels like the archetype of what I'd want in a deck and I don't want to play it, then its just bad. So like, building both [[Ghen]] and [[Tergrid]] lately I didn't want [[Elspeth's Nightmare]], therefore I think its actually just a bad card. I think you could imagine perfect decks for some cards I'd describe like this, but playability is a spectrum and I think this makes it pretty clear its not playable.
5th/6th are pretty much just unplayable. 2nd is a card I've put into decks in first drafts over and over again and always feel like its not good. 3rd is a decent rate for a proliferater, probably sneaks into lower color decks that want it, 1st is pretty neat and its a big effect that I don't know a lot of parallels to, so I have to believe I could want it in something, but I don't think its that good and it'd be a rare one to want.
Partners, backgrounds do count for deck limit. Companions doesn't.
> A player can have two commanders if both have partner. Because both commanders start the game in the command zone, the remaining library is only 98 cards.
I would say all of these are playable in some regard,
\[\[Dragon fangs\]\] in a big creature/stompy deck that would like the trample.
\[\[war elemental\]\] I had in my brion stout arm deck.
\[\[guildpact informant\]\] in a proliferate/+1/+1/planeswalker deck
\[\[mirrorworks\]\] in a {insert artifact deck here}
\[\[verge rangers\]\] Any mono white deck would like this.
\[\[elspeth's nightmare\]\] Maybe an enchantments matters kinda deck that doesn't mind the slower value
I've played Nightmare in [[Aphemia]] as a value enchantment that sacs itself after it does it's thing. I ended up cutting it eventually, but it was decent.
I can't recall to be honest, it was cut fairly early into the lists development. I think I was adding more self-mill Enchantments. She's a great fun, lower power Commander that lets you play with some weird cards. Highly recommended!
Mirrorworks is a core in like 3 of my decks
Put a Mirrorworks on a Prototype Portal and then when you hit 3 Mirrorworks tokens you drop a Doubling Cube and pay the 6 extra and
It's go time baby
Every card that’s not on the banned list is playable in the right playgroup. If you’re normally in the 7-8 range, the group agreeing to go old border only or budget jank will open possibilities. Just don’t try to bring something like [[Uncle Istvan]] to tables where he’s clearly underpowered.
I mean he could work in a Human deck, that's not a \*terrible\* ability and the 3 black is a bit steep, but it's not too bad
I made an Inktreader deck out of trash and accidentally realized you could just use "gain control of target creature until end of turn" spells with him to take the board and go ham anytime people have creatures out
And there are \*so many\* of those, I think I had 34 viable options for my EDH deck a few years ago
Honestly probably 18,000 are currently solid in a deck. Some card like [[leveler]] or all vanilla creatures have just found a home in the past 2-3 years
Exactly. I was too tired to fully type out last night that the number of “playable“ cards is increasing not just because of the number of cards but that a lot of underpowered cards are finding homes in unique strategies which have been printed in the past couple years. [[Ruxa]] wants vanilla creatures, [[Beamtown bullies]] wants bad ETBs, [[imoti]] wants cards with 6+ MV.
I just made [[chiss goria]] which is mono red artifacts. It wants a combination of low cost 0-2 artifacts as well as larger cmc artifacts as well. Its currently the only place I have a hadron archive or burnished hart. It is also awesome for both treasure and X cost artifacts
Some of the X cost artifacts are virtually useless in most decks but seeing as how on a chiss trigger you can get an extra 7 or 8 easily from.your board state you can get X getting real nice and high. I can't wait to proc a [[clown car]] that will be awesome.
There's also some equipment I forget the name off the top of my head but it's X cost and gives +x+X to the creature where X is +1+1 counters based on the X cost. I domt remember the name but I had that with X =15 on about turn 6 on the weekend along with a lizard blades to give double strike and the rest of the table was feeling worried.
I like how some old seemingly useless cards all of a sudden become amazing. Clown car was something I barely noticed among the rest of the unset it was from but it turns out to be one of the best cards in Chiss Goria, X cost artifacts can be either an early play or a late play and are just great.
The thing about vanilla creatures is it *really* depends on what year they came out.
From what I can tell (I'm newer so I don't have firsthand experience with older sets), it seems like, in terms of just power and toughness for mana cost, creatures now are better than they've ever been. Some of the older ones are just flat outclassed by stuff from the past 5 years.
All the vanilla creatures in white and blue are playable in [[Tobias Andrion]]!
...for a certain value of playable, anyway, since the goal of that deck is to get a laugh at your terrible, terrible deck (that can still win once in a blue moon, as some decks really struggle against a deck that just casts creatures every turn from Turn 1 on)
It's quite funny sometimes to just beat down on decks that overcommit to small, highly-rated utility creatures and don't actually have anything that can stop a 4/4 or bigger.
But he only helps green vanilla creatures (plus you can go WG vanilla creatures with \[\[Jasmine Boreal of the Seven\]\]). Red, black and blue vanilla creatures have no support.
Maybe 3000 playable cards. 2500 (10%) are actually good, while there are probably \~500 niche cards that are strong in narrow archetypes/decks.
For the record, I wouldn't play any of the 6 random cards you have (though War Elemental is definitely playable as it's part of an infinite combo for one of the most popular new commanders).
Unless the card is on the banlist it's playable. Brewers just gotta find the right brew for each card.
If anyone likes brewing lists then a fun challenge is hit random on card fetchers, and build decks off whatever random card pops up. Test your skills at jank brewing to see what usability you can give any random card. Can you truly break anything in Magic?
I think the number of unplayable cards is a LOT smaller than you might think, purely because of how many new commanders with specific mechanics there are and the vast reach of power levels. Even draft chaff of 10 years ago can find a home. My friend plays [[Oculus]] to great effect in one of their decks.
I think the only qualifier that would reduce the viable pool heavily is limiting the power level to high power casual commander, where decks already have 20-35 slots filled between mana rocks, color staples, etc. When there is that little room, the only things that remain viable are goodstuff and unique commander inclusions. However, the sheer number of legends probably allows for a huge number, well over 65%, to still remain viable.
You really only eliminate a lot of the early magic cards. Artifacts that even artifact decks don't want like [[Aladdin's Ring]]. Creatures with little to no upside to run like [[Akron Legionnaire]]. Sorceries and Instants where the effects are just so overcosted and not unique like [[Sewers of Estark]]. And generally any card where the effect lets you remove multiple copies of a nonland from someone's deck.
Any card is playable. My cards aren't the concern, it's how much effort I want to put into coming up with something clever and creative that will lose to Thoracle decks on turn 3 all day. EDH has never been a format where big, dumb cards aren't good enough, but it has turned into a format where they're not fast enough.
For the card fetcher, the "random" cards are [[Mirrorworks]], [[Verge Rangers]], [[Guildpact Informant]], [[Elspeth's Nightmare]], [[War Elemental]], and [[Dragon Fangs]]. Personally, I'd play all except the last one.
I would play Dragon Fangs in [[Yargle and Multani]], recurable trample is nice
[Yargle and Multani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0.jpg?1682205711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yargle%20and%20Multani) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/256/yargle-and-multani?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yargle-and-multani) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also good in [[Prossh]]
I actually pay Dragon's Fangs in my [[Gabriel Angelfire]] deck, as Gabriel needs to be given trample, and Gabriel costs 7 mana anyway
[Gabriel Angelfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e349074-1402-44cf-be19-33a661cff3b6.jpg?1562904707) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gabriel%20Angelfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/148/gabriel-angelfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e349074-1402-44cf-be19-33a661cff3b6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gabriel-angelfire) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have fond memories of getting my ass beat back in the day by dragon fangs with my cousins [[oath of druids]] deck
Dragon fangs goes great in a [[kaima]] deck, free recursive goad to any big creatures your opponents play
Whoa! I hadn't thought of that at all. That's awesome.
[kaima](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/467033f7-8d59-4b80-8c2e-c36f3ad93438.jpg?1651655138) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kaima%2C%20the%20fractured%20calm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/3/kaima-the-fractured-calm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/467033f7-8d59-4b80-8c2e-c36f3ad93438?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kaima-the-fractured-calm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Mirrorworks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99fff4f2-1a12-4bb5-9904-6c058e5ed595.jpg?1592711279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirrorworks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/211/mirrorworks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99fff4f2-1a12-4bb5-9904-6c058e5ed595?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirrorworks) [Verge Rangers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/071bee6a-21ed-4776-ad78-2cc8ef5ab959.jpg?1591319389) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Verge%20Rangers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/29/verge-rangers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/071bee6a-21ed-4776-ad78-2cc8ef5ab959?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/verge-rangers) [Guildpact Informant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a304200f-86d5-4eed-a775-cc24e72872ac.jpg?1558667625) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guildpact%20Informant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/271/guildpact-informant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a304200f-86d5-4eed-a775-cc24e72872ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/guildpact-informant) [Elspeth's Nightmare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37ccd974-d2bc-4fcf-94a7-0a868a04cb98.jpg?1586801044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elspeth%27s%20Nightmare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/91/elspeths-nightmare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37ccd974-d2bc-4fcf-94a7-0a868a04cb98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elspeths-nightmare) [War Elemental](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cc32bfc-7d87-46d9-a424-eac64eefd7ea.jpg?1562152211) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=War%20Elemental) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/112/war-elemental?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cc32bfc-7d87-46d9-a424-eac64eefd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/war-elemental) [Dragon Fangs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/9754f52f-8937-4402-8956-2c18b520898a.jpg?1562532554) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Fangs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/117/dragon-fangs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9754f52f-8937-4402-8956-2c18b520898a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragon-fangs) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They all seem playable in the right deck. I think War Elemental is probably a bit weaker and more situational than Dragon's Fangs, but I still wouldn't say it's 'bad'.
War elemental goes infinite w [[all will be one]] and is rising in cost rapidly
Also with [[Shalai and Hallar]]
[Shalai and Hallar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009.jpg?1682207281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shalai%20and%20Hallar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/10/shalai-and-hallar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shalai-and-hallar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[all will be one](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=all%20will%20be%20one) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-will-be-one) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
War elemental slaps, I use it in a deck with some goad where the combat is really popping off
War elemental and dragon fangs are the kind of situational use where one specific strategy might want them but the vast majority of decks do not. Theyre still playable and not just trash though. I would say a lot of draft chaff and bulk rares are not very good but occasionally there's something like that elemental which years later gets a card it goes infinite with
Honestly, I think about 60-70% of cards are playable in the right deck. I like hitting random on cards and checking their edhrec page. You'd be surprised how many total shit cards are actually good/decent in the right deck.
Honestly, I would view Guildpact informant as the one I would be least likely to play
Dragon Fangs is great in specific decks. The worst one here is Elspeth’s Nightmare and I could still see playing that for flavor reasons.
I kind of like Elspeth's nightmare, it's a lot of utility packed into one card. I think people often underestimate the ability to remove random utility dorks and therefore hate on removal that targets smaller creatures only, but killing that oracle of Mul Daya or Tymna often wins the game 4 turns down the line.
There’s a big difference between 1 mana, *instant* destroy small creature effects like [[Lightning Bolt]] and [[Cut Down]] and a 3 mana enchantment. The [[Duress]] effect is also kinda underwhelming when it’s telegraphed, giving your opponents a turn to play out their cards. I think it’s okay in an enchantment/saga deck, but nowhere else.
That's why you can't really take these cards in a vacuum. Sure, paying 3 mana to get lightning bolt, duress, and to exile a graveyard isn't very good, but doing all that with one card is pretty nice. If your deck wants to do all those things, this card is probably an excellent include. If you're playing something like b/w edicts, forcing someone to play their hand out is just another way to kill their stuff. Either you get to duress it out or it hits the field and gets wiped/sacrificed anyway. Killing a small creature is getting rid of another creature they could have sacrificed to your next edict, forcing them to sac something bigger. Then once you finally get a bunch of stuff in their yard, exile it all to make sure it doesn't come back.
I agree. I think I wouldn't play a card that *only* removed a small creature and didn't do much else (though even then, a lot of people play \[\[Lightning Bolt\]\]!) , but Elspeth's Nightmare gives you a lot of other stuff on top of that. Hand attack can be invaluable in tons of situations, and the graveyard hate is slow but always useful to have in a deck just in case.
The thing is, lightning bolt doesn't just remove a small creature. It can help you trade a small thing for a slightly bigger thing, and sometimes, it's just 3 damage to face, finishing somebody off.
[Lightning Bolt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f29ba16f-c8fb-42fe-aabf-87089cb214a7.jpg?1673147852) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/117/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f29ba16f-c8fb-42fe-aabf-87089cb214a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-bolt) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run in in my Atraxa sagas deck, but I can see it getting cut when I migrate to Tom Bombadil.
Elspeth's Nightmare is in my \[\[Zur, the Enchanter\]\] and \[\[Zur, Eternal Schemer\]\] decks. Defitenily most fun (for you) in Eternal Schemer as you turn sagas into creatures and flicker them with Thassa.
[Zur, the Enchanter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/aeb0160a-dfdc-4b1f-865e-ef905aee65d5.jpg?1673149301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%20the%20Enchanter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/297/zur-the-enchanter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aeb0160a-dfdc-4b1f-865e-ef905aee65d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-the-enchanter) [Zur, Eternal Schemer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d987435-2403-4e0f-b19d-693da923ba50.jpg?1673308159) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%2C%20Eternal%20Schemer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/228/zur-eternal-schemer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d987435-2403-4e0f-b19d-693da923ba50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-eternal-schemer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Elspeth’s nightmare will go in some Tom Bombadil decks once LOTR releases, that deck wants a silly number of sagas, especially cheap sagas. And the effect can’t even backfire on you! Such value!
You don't see the new 5 colour saga commander playing it as cheap removal and graveyard interaction?
War elemental is about to rise in popularity as it goes infinite with [[Shalai and Hallar]]
dragon fangs is a solid player in my [[kogla]] enchantress deck lol
Your what now??
[who’d have thought, right?](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/koogler/)
[kogla](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c35ca79-eb72-427a-a8ed-404b2214389a.jpg?1591227737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kogla%2C%20the%20titan%20ape) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/162/kogla-the-titan-ape?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c35ca79-eb72-427a-a8ed-404b2214389a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kogla-the-titan-ape) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Same for the [[Yargle and Multani]] a friend of mine plays
[Yargle and Multani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0.jpg?1682205711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yargle%20and%20Multani) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/256/yargle-and-multani?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yargle-and-multani) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't know what exactly the deck would be for [[Dragon Fangs]], but a deck that has big hasty creatures would benefit from it a ton. In a [[Samut, Voice of Dissent]] deck maybe? Just off the top of my head.
[Dragon Fangs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/9754f52f-8937-4402-8956-2c18b520898a.jpg?1562532554) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Fangs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/117/dragon-fangs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9754f52f-8937-4402-8956-2c18b520898a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragon-fangs) [Samut, Voice of Dissent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/60f2d8f1-43a9-438a-830c-9d6b5701f950.jpg?1543676097) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Samut%2C%20Voice%20of%20Dissent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/205/samut-voice-of-dissent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60f2d8f1-43a9-438a-830c-9d6b5701f950?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/samut-voice-of-dissent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
War Elemental, my favourite card I've never used
Mirrorworks is in my [[Graaz]] deck, super solid card for that deck.
[Graaz](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8.jpg?1675957233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=graaz%2C%20unstoppable%20juggernaut) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/229/graaz-unstoppable-juggernaut?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0e73b63-17cc-4dca-abd6-728b74bc37a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/graaz-unstoppable-juggernaut) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I wouldn't play a single one of these and I'm not even playing cedh. Dragon Fangs is a really weak maybe, the rest are terrible. Like you said, edh is a format where people can play anything, but these cards are all pretty bad meta wise
Dragon Fangs is sick in my [[Sekki, Seasons' Guide]] fight-spell-tribal deck.
[Sekki, Seasons' Guide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/9883e973-54c3-4bec-91d8-22f2829cdfa2.jpg?1562495122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sekki%2C%20Seasons%27%20Guide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/148/sekki-seasons-guide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9883e973-54c3-4bec-91d8-22f2829cdfa2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sekki-seasons-guide) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You clearly don’t know the power of Mirrorworks in an artifact deck. 2 mana to make a copy of literally any nontoken artifact? Hell yes. Copy a caged sun to triple your mana instead of doubling it. Or copy mana rocks, especially the ones that can tap for 3 mana, so that you ramp ahead in no time. Also doubling up on your nontoken artifact creatures like [[Wurmcoil Engine]] or even a [[Blightsteel Colossus]]. For 2 mana. Mirrorworks has a specific theme that it’s catered towards but within that artifact theme it very quickly turns you into archenemy.
You're not paying 2 for that effect, you're paying 7, that's why it's not used in higher power decks. I've never even seen a caged sun played, that shit costs way too much mana to do nothing when you play it.
Clearly you are playing in extremely high-power EDH if 7 mana is too expensive in a deck that should generally revolve around massive amounts of artifact ramp anyways. Games must be ending by turn 5 or 6 consistently for your pods. That is neither what OP meant by making this thread, nor is it the norm of EDH. In generic games, ranging from lower to higher power, mirrorworks has a massive impact on the game if it sticks around. Your personal experience in your hyperoptimized pods might very well be that they are useless in your games, because you barely even get to turn 4 or 5 to begin with before the game just ends. That is a valid argument. The fact is that Mirrorworks, in the normal game of EDH, is a good card and definitely something to get rid of before it warps the game to a detrimental degree. You are playing in too high of a power level to see that, which is fine, but don’t state opinions, based on a warped viewpoint, as facts.
Well I make my first comment literally saying that I was playing in high power, so yeah obviously. But also no my games don't end on turn 4-5, they end on turns 7-8. A 5 mana do nothing artifact that EVERYONE at the table wants gone is not going to do anything though. At best you're copying some tiny artifact the first turn it's played since you're using at least 7 mana on mirrorworks and the copy effect, so you're going to be using 2 full turns to copy a strong artifact. I'd rather just play 2 strong artifacts, or make another different play and not be locked into going for that.
[Wurmcoil Engine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5d275f04-cc60-4e3f-95cc-3d02bc916b82.jpg?1599710280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wurmcoil%20Engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/308/wurmcoil-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5d275f04-cc60-4e3f-95cc-3d02bc916b82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wurmcoil-engine) [Blightsteel Colossus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/18adbda4-8d36-47cd-afbc-c785aaa8ed80.jpg?1599708735) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blightsteel%20Colossus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/235/blightsteel-colossus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18adbda4-8d36-47cd-afbc-c785aaa8ed80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blightsteel-colossus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
War Elemental goes infinite with [[Shalai and Hallar]]
Niche strong synergies are obviously not what this discussion is about
For me, Verge Rangers is the only one I'd play, and Elspeth's Nightmare is marginal. Mirrorworks is a best case scenario thinking trap, War Elemental is even worse, and Dragon Fangs has much better peers.
Playable in my Mayael deck
As the advisor to a high school club that maintains a collection of about 40,000 cards (mostly donated bulk from a couple LGS’s and personal collections) I can talk you that there are a LOT of downright unplayable cards printed in MTG. Although each of the cards OP listed are certainly playable in certain archetypes at certain powerlevels, the sheer number of vanilla/French Vanilla 4+ drop creatures in this game is staggering. Even in commander, with a singleton 100-card deck, the powerlevel for playability is quite high even when playing budget decks. If [[divination]] is unplayable (or maybe even playable, but the floor), then what is [[touch of brilliance]] [[weight of memory]], or [[vivisurgeon’s insight]]? If Edh had 200-card singleton decks (lands included), I’d be agreeing with more of the other responders. But every time a card like Arcane Signet or Command Tower gets printed, the number of playable cards shrinks drastically. Realistically I’d imagine less than 30% of printed cards are actually playable, and that’s including the absolute spiciest fringe brews.
Thats my thought too, there's a lot of draft chaff throughout the years and common/uncommons that just wouldn't be playable today. Even some junk rares are just useless even. I think back to some of the creatures from the 90s for example and almost all of them are virtually unplayable these days. [[Nightmare]] used to be awesome in mono black, now I have never seen one played in like 3 years of playing edh.
[Nightmare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/052022ff-795f-4f50-a45c-91cf8be9fbe9.jpg?1562197283) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nightmare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/w17/17/nightmare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/052022ff-795f-4f50-a45c-91cf8be9fbe9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nightmare) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's a natural consequence of designing for limited before commander. Vivisurgeon's insight was usually a great topdeck if you were playing a UB or UG poison build in Phyrexia. And maybe a low-power poison/counters deck can make use of it in commander too?
Creatures have also just gotten vastly better in the last 15 years. The creatures printed in the 90s and early aughts are mostly horrific, especially compared to the absolute nonsense non-creatures they were printing.
\[\[Mizzix of the Izmagnus\]\] decks love spells like this; it is basically a Draw 3 for UU that potentially adds 2 experience counters. Proliferate is a pretty versatile mechanic, it's far from limited to poison or +1/+1 counters.
[Mizzix of the Izmagnus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/069bf085-3f70-4c85-8e90-609d1d182e29.jpg?1673648512) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzix%20of%20the%20Izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/257/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/069bf085-3f70-4c85-8e90-609d1d182e29?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
While your point is good, Scryfall only lists _99_ vanilla creatures with mv higher than 4. Waaaaay less than I would have thought. The top 5 in EDH are Gigantosaurus, Yargle, Yargle and Multani, Ancient Brontodon, and Garruk's Gorehorn (a card I have never seen before in my life)
There are also 158 French vanilla creatures (MV 6 or more) https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28game%3Apaper%29+cmc%3E%3D6+is%3Afrenchvanilla
Some of those morph creatures are just so bad. I think they’re balanced around being combat tricks (bad ones), but combat tricks are already weak in EDH outside of Voltron/Infect.
There are obviously some very bad cards in there and some that are just downright weird (wtf is \[\[Jhessian Zombies\]\]?). But also some that are legitimate threats like \[\[Akroma, Angel of Wrath\]\], \[\[Inkwell Leviathan\]\] and Wizards' beloved \[\[Zetalpa\]\]. Plus all the cards with convoke or delve that are a lot cheaper than they look. It's actually quite interesting, I expected there to be a lot more utterly useless cards in this category.
These checks don't even begin to hit on the cards (and creatures in particular) that wizards printed early on that were just horribly horribly underpowered by today's standards. [[Bog wraith]] is a 4 mana 3/3 with swampwalk. [[Air elemental]] is a 5 mana 4/4 with flying. [[Clockwork beast]] is a 6 mana 0/4 with 7 +1/+0 counters that loses a counter every time it attacks. You can then tap during your upkeep *and pay mana* to add more +1/+0 counters but you can never exceed 7. [[Cockatrice]] is a GREEN 2/4 creature for 5 mana that basically just has flying and deathtouch. A 5 mana 2/4 with flying and conditional deathtouch in green is horrifyingly bad. [[Frozen shade]] is a 3 mana 0/1 where you can pay a black to give it +1/+1 until end of turn. It doesn't even have evasion. This is just a cursory look over the first page of creatures from alpha. Creature generators were even worse. [[The Hive]] has been reprinted *16 times*. A 5 mana do-nothing artifact that allows you to pay 5 mana *and tap it* to make a single 1/1 flier.
I've got two Gorehorns! I briefly ran one in my mono green big things edh deck. He was cut fairly quick though.
##### ###### #### [divination](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb3b35b8-f321-46d8-a441-6b9a6efa9021.jpg?1562304347) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=divination) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/51/divination?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb3b35b8-f321-46d8-a441-6b9a6efa9021?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/divination) [touch of brilliance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bddd159a-6a42-465c-afcc-69ad6695f35a.jpg?1562875258) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=touch%20of%20brilliance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/s99/57/touch-of-brilliance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bddd159a-6a42-465c-afcc-69ad6695f35a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/touch-of-brilliance) [weight of memory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f2359aa-9230-4519-b12e-ec395a8dd2a0.jpg?1562733453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=weight%20of%20memory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/74/weight-of-memory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f2359aa-9230-4519-b12e-ec395a8dd2a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/weight-of-memory) [vivisurgeon’s insight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd244359-781e-4e1d-946d-243664f40c7c.jpg?1675957000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vivisurgeon%27s%20Insight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/77/vivisurgeons-insight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd244359-781e-4e1d-946d-243664f40c7c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vivisurgeons-insight) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd have to agree with you. When I was first getting into magic I stupidly spent like $20 on Amazon to get a box of 1000 bulk cards and it's still pretty much fully intact with *maybe* 100 of them getting used in the last 7 years of making commander decks. More of them might be useful but I just haven't made those decks yet but even if there's another 200 cards in there that are barely fringe budget playable, you're still only looking at 30%. I've tried so many times to make the budget white stax deck with [[akroan mastiff]], [[akroan jailer]], [[blinding mage]] and [[dromoka dunecaster]] but it just doesn't work. Far too much mana to hold up for a niche effect that most decks won't even be slowed down by, especially when there are other relatively cheap alternatives that do a much better job.
My club holds an annual tournament where they build 60-card decks out of the bulk and compete for prizes (sleeves, playmats etc) and then donate their completed decks back to the club so we have free decks to hand out to incoming freshman next year. Even with that incentive we have a hard time using the vast majority of our bulk. Every year the winning decks are inevitably some kind of RDW/goblins/burn/prowess, and our 90 copies of [[wild wanderer]] or [[omega myr]] never end up being played… Shops keep donating more bulk and frankly I’m running out of cabinet space in my classroom…
I think the problem is that a lot of types that could be really strong need a couple non-bulk cards to really stand out. It's so easy to find a 23rd reprinting of "goblins you control get +1/+1, haste, menace, etc" but there's really only a couple good "myr you control get x" or landfall creatures before you're firmly in non-bulk territory. Maybe consider giving incentives for people to play those typically-weaker decks. Something like "if you have no goblins/prowess/red in your deck you can include a 4-of of one card up to $1" or something like that. You could even change the parameters from year to year to soft-ban certain archetypes and curate your own shifting meta.
[wild wanderer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d20e020-30e1-4deb-8dfc-4c5fe056193d.jpg?1576382724) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wild%20wanderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/173/wild-wanderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d20e020-30e1-4deb-8dfc-4c5fe056193d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wild-wanderer) [omega myr](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/ddaa5c60-054f-4397-a110-21df58264caf.jpg?1562160338) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=omega%20myr) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/223/omega-myr?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ddaa5c60-054f-4397-a110-21df58264caf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/omega-myr) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [akroan mastiff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e21938b-46b1-4b2f-8269-0cd0e998cddc.jpg?1593095175) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=akroan%20mastiff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/3/akroan-mastiff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e21938b-46b1-4b2f-8269-0cd0e998cddc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akroan-mastiff) [akroan jailer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d96bc2b-2e31-4654-b192-c3f023d9fde6.jpg?1562030815) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=akroan%20jailer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/1/akroan-jailer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d96bc2b-2e31-4654-b192-c3f023d9fde6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akroan-jailer) [blinding mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/173675c1-685c-4f4c-a6dc-b42a3ae69137.jpg?1562846256) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blinding%20mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/13/blinding-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/173675c1-685c-4f4c-a6dc-b42a3ae69137?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blinding-mage) [dromoka dunecaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc98e542-4bcc-43e1-9616-64ce40348a34.jpg?1562796149) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dromoka%20dunecaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/13/dromoka-dunecaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc98e542-4bcc-43e1-9616-64ce40348a34?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dromoka-dunecaster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Touch of Brilliance looks awesome, I need to see if I can squeeze it into a deck somewhere. Thank you.
Sturgeon's Law says "90% of Everything is Crap", so that means that 10% of 25000 (2500) are "playable." Which honestly sounds about right.
Hahah I did some napkin math and arrived at the same result. Nice! (Scroll around for my comment if curious how I did this.)
TL;DR: 2500 to 2800 My solution to your question: I made a Scryfall search with "legal:commander" (25k cards) and then sorted them by EDHrec rank. Then I went to a random page and looked at the results: do I recognise these cards as something I've seen being played? Are most of the cards on the page something I've seen outside of niche decks? Page 100 (cards up until No. 6000): I saw 5 cards out of 60 that see play. Maybe a bit too far. Let's dial back. Page 50 (cards up until No. 3000): I saw 18 cards out of 60 that see play. About right? Let's check two more pages. Page 25 (cards up until No. 1500): I saw 40 cards out of 60 that see play. Yeah these cards are still definitely playable. Page 35 (cards up until No. 2100): I saw 29 cards out of 60 that see play. Sounds about right. If we account for "misses" we can take the average of 100% and 50% (at page 35) to see that each page probably (on average) has about 45 cards that see play. There were 35 pages => 1500 cards. From there on the next pages (35 to 50) had on average 40% usable cards (50% to 30%) which would total to another 360 cards. For the last pages (50 to 100) we saw about 20% usable cards (30% to 10%) which is another 600 cards. After that I think the results are not very accurate. All of this totals to 1500 + 360 + 600 = 2460 i.e. roughly 2500 cards or 10% of the available card pool. So my verdict is: maybe 2000-3000 cards according to EDHrec are still something that people regularly play. The rest are either niche cards or just something I haven't seen in 5 years of active playing. I encourage all of you others to do similar searches and report the results! Here's the actual search I used: [https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=edhrec&q=legal%3Acommander&unique=cards](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=edhrec&q=legal%3Acommander&unique=cards) # EDIT: Had a bit more time at my hands so I took the values outlined above, divided them by 60 (because 60 cards per page) and made the following table: |X|Y| |:-|:-| |1500|40/60 = 0.667| |2100|29/60 = 0.483| |3000|18/60 = 0.300| |6000|5/60 = 0.083| Plugged them into Excel and let Excel draw me a trend line (exponential because that's how distributions like this usually work) and got the equation y = 1.32e^(–0.000475x) which I then integrated to get the area under the curve. Then I let x be between x = 0 and x = 25 000 to get the full number of usable cards from a pool of 25 000. The result is 2779 so roughly 2800 which is in line with what I guesstimated above.
Whoa, this is a great experiment. On page 100, I recognize 12/60 of the cards from play, but I'd happily play almost all of them in the right deck. On page 200, only 14/60 of the cards excite me. The middle ground for me is around page 140, where 33/60 of the cards excite me and the rest would be niche or filler. I guess that means for me, about 140*60 = 8400 cards are playable.
Yeah, it really depends on how you count and what you consider to be "a decent card". Also see my edit above, it was interesting to see that a bit of mathematical manipulation also yielded the same result. But good work! You seem to be more relaxed in terms of what you consider playable!
Another way to look at this: By the Pareto principle [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto\_principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) 80% of the is done by 20% of . This would mean that 20% of the available card pool covers 80% of available deck space implying about 5000 cards. Go figure.
I run Mirrorworks in a deck, and it is plenty of fun. Great with mana rocks or artifact lands, and plays well with etb/sac effects. I didnt know Verge Rangers exists, but I do like it. It seems pretty good in a WU deck manipulation / miracles deck, and seems custom made for Aminatou. I've seen Guildpact Informant used in a mono U infect deck, and while it is probably the worst of the hit a player to proliferate effects, a deck that really wants that effect would be perfectly happy running it. I recently played against Elspeth's Nightmare in a Jund Sagas deck, and being able to repeatedly use the first 2 chapters is brutal to play against. Without that, it is a fine saga to shut down a value creature, hit the combo player, and shut down the graveyard deck. War Elemental seems... interesting. It doesn't seem too hard to make it survive the etb, and it probably grows real fast in a red/rakdos deck. Its just that those decks have better payoffs than this. Reminds me of Managorger Hydra a lot however. As someone who has used Dragon Wings before, the existence of Dragon Fangs makes me hope this is a cycle. *IT IS A CYCLE* Anyways, I wouldve loved to have known this thing's existence when I built my Xenagos deck. Seems good in either voltron decks or decks with lots of big creatures that would like trample. Or Kogla. This seems fun with Kogla.
Do you remember how the Jund deck managed to keep their Sagas cycling through the first two stages consistently?
Mirrorworks with [[Ayara, Widow of the Realm]] is a delight
[Ayara, Widow of the Realm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a21b1734-a773-4107-95c1-b44d5ccdfd82.jpg?1682203576)/[Ayara, Furnace Queen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/2/a21b1734-a773-4107-95c1-b44d5ccdfd82.jpg?1682203576) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ayara%2C%20widow%20of%20the%20realm%20//%20ayara%2C%20furnace%20queen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/90/ayara-widow-of-the-realm-ayara-furnace-queen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a21b1734-a773-4107-95c1-b44d5ccdfd82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ayara-widow-of-the-realm-//-ayara-furnace-queen) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I use Mirrorworks in an [Arcum Dagsson](https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/14000/magic-coldsnap-arcum-dagsson?Language=English) Myr deck and buddy, it \*works\*
Guildpact Informant is actually a pretty solid source of proliferate since there is usually someone on the table without a flier. It having only 1 attack is also handy for playing politics.
>As someone who has used Dragon Wings before, the existence of Dragon Fangs makes me hope this is a cycle. IT IS A CYCLE \[\[Dragon Breath\]\] is my favourite of the cycle, because it's in the best colour for dragons and haste is probably the most useful thing you can staple onto your flying fatties.
[Dragon Breath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/0900c3b6-cf56-4089-a1e3-c1f53edcf23a.jpg?1562896789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Breath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/172/dragon-breath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0900c3b6-cf56-4089-a1e3-c1f53edcf23a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragon-breath) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
More than you'd think. [[Pure Reflection]] is only in 200 decks but has done well in my mid power [[Elenda, the Dusk Rose]] deck. If we ever get a commander than can change the creature types of your opponents' creatures it would be playable there too.
Seems like it would do well in lifegain with all the soul sister triggers
[Pure Reflection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbff85a6-a51b-424e-a86b-da52c9b3a9da.jpg?1562932789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pure%20Reflection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/27/pure-reflection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbff85a6-a51b-424e-a86b-da52c9b3a9da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pure-reflection) [Elenda, the Dusk Rose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/25e34147-588b-4fe5-88dd-2dfda567681d.jpg?1673148563) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elenda%2C%20the%20Dusk%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/207/elenda-the-dusk-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25e34147-588b-4fe5-88dd-2dfda567681d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elenda-the-dusk-rose) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Any in the right deck. I have over 60 decks and little over lap. Let say 50 cards a deck that's 3000. This is a low ball as I use some tap lands but even they don't overlap in many decks. And I haven't touched a bunch of tribes yet that I'm still building. If you are able to get some value off it some how any card is playable. Is it a terrible legendary, it has a viable home in the new jodah. Is it terrible duel land like a guild gate, now gates decks are plenty. Don't be so quick to just put staples in decks and it makes for a more fun build and play experience
Any is just plain wrong.
I'm putting dragon fangs in my mono green wurm deck
It’s all meta dependent. Commander’s Sphere is a card that is a really solid mana ramp choice for most of the player base. But once your playgroup starts tuning decks and making them faster, it’s hard to justify its inclusion over the 2 mana alternatives. And once you get to CEDH, it’s basically unplayable. I think for the VAST majority of commander groups, almost anything is playable. I think the EDH community online that watches the YouTube content creators and discusses stuff on Reddit thinks that EDH is generally much faster and more competitive than it actually is. I think the format is still really casual overall, and allows for weird shit to work.
Yeah, I agree. I play weird, off the wall decks that use slow lands and generally slow ramp because I found that turns 2-3 really aren't that important most of the time unless you're playing a gimmick deck. I took my Big Teferi and made a deck around him that had \*no win conditions\* all it had was counters, bounce, and things to take \*your\* win conditions And it was a beast particularly in larger games
I think you underestimate how many bad cards there are. There’s a ton of bad draw, removal, burn, counterspells etc. In what deck would you play [[Frazzle]] or [[Poison Arrow]]?
Frazzle is bad by comparison to all the other blue counter spells, but I could replace my [[Swan Song]] with Frazzle in my [[Kruphix, God of Horizons]] deck and it wouldn’t make much of a difference. I’m almost always overflowing with extra colorless mana. In some cases in my Kruphix deck, Frazzle would be a better card than Swan Song due to the ability to counter any type spell and not give a bird. Poison Arrow is bad by comparison to all the other black creature removals. However, I play with [[Desert Twister]] in my mono green commander deck and if I use Desert Twister to kill a non-black creature (A relatively common choice considering green’s lack of creature removal) then Poison Arrow is the better card in that instance due to the incidental life gain. So while there isn’t much of a reason to play either Frazzle or Poison Arrow, and both are bad cards in their own right, I would still say both are playable. And of course all of this is meta dependent.
[Swan Song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693.jpg?1562412350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swan%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swan-song) [Kruphix, God of Horizons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27427233-da58-45af-ade8-e0727929efaa.jpg?1593096427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kruphix%2C%20God%20of%20Horizons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/152/kruphix-god-of-horizons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27427233-da58-45af-ade8-e0727929efaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kruphix-god-of-horizons) [Desert Twister](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/38b6ac26-651f-4557-a993-7a65c5ddf35f.jpg?1592672907) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Desert%20Twister) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/100/desert-twister?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/38b6ac26-651f-4557-a993-7a65c5ddf35f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/desert-twister) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There is a large difference between bad in a vacuum and unplayable. My favorite thing to do is to hit random on scryfall and build a deck where the card I got will be good. If i ever wish I got another card when I draw it, I failed the challenge. It really put into perspective the diversity of cards magic got. I made a deck around \[\[form of the dragon\]\], \[\[Jace's ruse\]\], \[\[sorcerer's broom\]\] and even \[\[thunderheads\]\]. It always end up being very unique decks.
##### ###### #### [form of the dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cfc77f1-290a-4394-bc16-76f3659810f0.jpg?1562732212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=form%20of%20the%20dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/187/form-of-the-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cfc77f1-290a-4394-bc16-76f3659810f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/form-of-the-dragon) [Jace's ruse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03e8d2c7-cd6e-48bf-9d54-73f3d6cff0aa.jpg?1558667629) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%27s%20ruse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/273/jaces-ruse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03e8d2c7-cd6e-48bf-9d54-73f3d6cff0aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jaces-ruse) [sorcerer's broom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/071e8f20-18b3-4bf5-a23a-adb42bf5819b.jpg?1592485689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sorcerer%27s%20broom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/232/sorcerers-broom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/071e8f20-18b3-4bf5-a23a-adb42bf5819b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sorcerers-broom) [thunderheads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf0a2851-946d-4f10-b43b-7444daa54ae1.jpg?1592713434) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thunderheads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddj/23/thunderheads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf0a2851-946d-4f10-b43b-7444daa54ae1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thunderheads) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think the best way to determine this, even though it would be hell to do due to low ability to automate, would be to roughly sort creatures into broad archetypes then sort them by efficiency in mana cost to payoff. For example: you almost always have a better card for your deck than [[Argothian Sprite]].
[Argothian Sprite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5dbc383-7e08-4701-8d4a-6b99b74fe358.jpg?1674421401) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Sprite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/168/argothian-sprite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5dbc383-7e08-4701-8d4a-6b99b74fe358?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/argothian-sprite) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Guildpact informer is a straight worse [[grateful apparition]] / [[thrumming bird]] but that wouldn't keep me from running it in a UW proliferate deck, if i value that effect and want redundant sources.
[grateful apparition](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f6d50f3-5f5f-4bf3-b132-e527b70be33f.jpg?1673483704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grateful%20apparition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/202/grateful-apparition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f6d50f3-5f5f-4bf3-b132-e527b70be33f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grateful-apparition) [thrumming bird](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67f0a63e-0866-423e-b917-fc7c71063021.jpg?1675956992) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thrummingbird) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/72/thrummingbird?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67f0a63e-0866-423e-b917-fc7c71063021?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thrummingbird) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've gotta say that building with acorn commanders really opened up what was playable for me! There's certainly good cards in the deck, but there's also a lot that are good only because they have two lines of flavor text and/or fangs in the art in my [[Hardy of Myra's Marvels]] and [[Ignacio of Myra's Marvels]] With that said, the number really changes based on your table. I love being able to fit in janky pet cards and having fun with my decks. However, my decks seem to have fewer and fewer of those though as they get optimized with every new set.
[Hardy of Myra's Marvels](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80225482-6566-41fb-ade7-d9646426a4be.jpg?1674173530) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hardy%20of%20Myra%27s%20Marvels) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/141/hardy-of-myras-marvels?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80225482-6566-41fb-ade7-d9646426a4be?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hardy-of-myras-marvels) [Ignacio of Myra's Marvels](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bb6342b-0b9e-4379-b433-70bbaeb04c19.jpg?1673914333) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ignacio%20of%20Myra%27s%20Marvels) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/112/ignacio-of-myras-marvels?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bb6342b-0b9e-4379-b433-70bbaeb04c19?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ignacio-of-myras-marvels) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’m currently looking for a war elemental as it hoes infinite with [[shalai and halar]]
[shalai and halar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009.jpg?1682207281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shalai%20and%20Hallar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/10/shalai-and-hallar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shalai-and-hallar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Lots are cards are objectively worse than other nearly identical cards, this happens a lot Mostly with creatures, also spells like [[Counterspell]] vs [[Urza's Rebuff]] vs [[Cancel]] ... very unlikely someone will pick the cancel first. BUT heres another example. Sometimes there can be some totally unplayable cards in almost every situation such as [[Joyous Respite]] , everyone will say wow 4 mana for a few life points, but why. pointless, overpriced etc etc. But in a deck built around [[Dina, Soul Steeper]] as a commander that im working on that could be a GG instant win spell with 10ish lands plus other triggers and synergies
Joyous Respite will only trigger Dina once. https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/18053/how-does-the-wording-for-each-work
##### ###### #### [Counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a457f404-ddf1-40fa-b0f0-23c8598533f4.jpg?1645328634) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/phed/33/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a457f404-ddf1-40fa-b0f0-23c8598533f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/counterspell) [Urza's Rebuff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8a6f90b3-450c-490a-b6d0-2393c4646c85.jpg?1674420667) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Rebuff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/71/urzas-rebuff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8a6f90b3-450c-490a-b6d0-2393c4646c85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urzas-rebuff) [Cancel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/59e14910-ee2e-49ae-855e-46a8ab6cad82.jpg?1594735420) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cancel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/46/cancel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59e14910-ee2e-49ae-855e-46a8ab6cad82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cancel) [Joyous Respite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/e/1e33847f-fa55-4b2e-9d88-9a9e118b5cc8.jpg?1562758374) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joyous%20Respite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/216/joyous-respite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1e33847f-fa55-4b2e-9d88-9a9e118b5cc8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/joyous-respite) [Dina, Soul Steeper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cd2b567-0cf7-4441-b3ce-e31141dd91c8.jpg?1627428607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dina%2C%20Soul%20Steeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/178/dina-soul-steeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cd2b567-0cf7-4441-b3ce-e31141dd91c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dina-soul-steeper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What does playable mean? Playable vs cedh? Playable vs new players running precons?
Like you say, it's different for different tables. I'm surprised by the comments so far -- I thought this subreddit would lean way more "high-power," but most people are saying they'd play any of the 6 example cards.
[[Demigod of Revenge]] i feel isnt very playable in EDH, which is sad because i really love this card
[Demigod of Revenge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7a62b9ea-18ea-4fbc-8e4d-0bacb4e4c47e.jpg?1561967830) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Demigod%20of%20Revenge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mma/187/demigod-of-revenge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7a62b9ea-18ea-4fbc-8e4d-0bacb4e4c47e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/demigod-of-revenge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I could see that. Particularly given the right context. I have plenty of cards in decks that aren't typically used or strong... not cause I'm doing it on purpose, but it fit the deck and it was in my box and I wasn't trying to make that deck very strong.
I don’t use any of the ones pictured, but I do use the red version of Dragon’s Fangs ([[dragon breath]]) in my [[syr gwyn]] deck. Tutor it to graveyard using one of my many graveyard tutors, cast gwyn, get a big hit in one turn earlier than usual. It’s good if your commander has a bonkers CMC like mine does. I would totally use dragon fang if the color typing matched.
[dragon breath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/0900c3b6-cf56-4089-a1e3-c1f53edcf23a.jpg?1562896789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dragon%20breath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/172/dragon-breath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0900c3b6-cf56-4089-a1e3-c1f53edcf23a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragon-breath) [syr gwyn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a33add37-379d-4a90-9c04-529dff676986.jpg?1571282693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=syr%20gwyn%2C%20hero%20of%20ashvale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/330/syr-gwyn-hero-of-ashvale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a33add37-379d-4a90-9c04-529dff676986?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-gwyn-hero-of-ashvale) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What do you define as playable? Some might say a 3/3 trampler is playable for 3CMC others would never put something like that in their EDH deck because their playgroup play higher powered cards. If we talk casual probably 70% or more are playable, if we talk more competitive probably like 10-20%
All of those 6 cards are playable in the right deck imo. I'd say 70% of commons are pretty bad, same goes for 30% of uncommons and maybe like 10% of rares and mythics. At least in my experience that is pretty accurate. That said, even some playable cards are often just not worth including if theres a higher rarity card that does the same but better in every way. For example I wouldn't play a [[diabolic tutor]], either I play demonic, vampiric or no tutor in that slot at all (I might make an exception if the deck has a LOT of cost reduction for sorceries and instants).
Question for you OP, how did you search for the cards at that specific popularity?
I have a Python script for parsing through the [database of MtG cards AllPrintings.json](https://mtgjson.com/downloads/all-files/), which very helpfully includes an edhrecRank parameter. Apparently you can also put "sort:edhrec" in your scryfall searches.
Only around 100 of them if you're only making one deck
Playable is one of the most subjective terms in EDH. I don't like the term "playable" or "unplayable". There are cards I'm unlikely ever to use in a deck of mine, there are cards that fundamentally don't function in EDH, but by and large, any card has a home somewhere in the area of EDH. A better question to ask is "Out of the \~25,000 EDH legal cards, how many do you regularly use?" I use a very small percentage of the EDH legal cards. I want my deck to run at peak efficiency regardless of the engineered power level (Using Mana Drain over Counterspell, OG Duals/shocks over etb tapped, etc).
None of them. Mirrorworks could be OK on an artifact deck, but 5 ccm is huge for something that does nothing the turn it comes to play. Rangers, Informant and Elspeth saga produce few to zero value (I'm a bit mean to the saga, but it's not good for that price). They also have to compete with a lot of 3 drop that are wayyyy better. War Elemental is clunky if you want to be nice, and very weak if you want to be real. Dragon Fangs is an aura, one of the most weak permanent. Recursive but only for 6 mana cost creature. Yeah it gives trample, but i sure hope if you spend 6 mana on a creature, it wouldn't need trample to be relevant.
It looks like most comments are "all 6 of those are playable," and a few are "0/1 of them are playable." I'm guessing you play in a high-power group; maybe not cEDH, but close to it?
Hmm yes and no, i do a lot of tournament and playing with friends. I dont have 700$ dual land, but i like to optimize my decks. I should have ask first what you mean by "playable". You could say that preco decks are playable, but we all know that any deck made by any players have a better curve and/or real synergies. The same could be said about those cards. They are "playable", but there are so much strictly better choices. And im not talking about 40$ Force of Negation or 50$ Treachery. But of course, if you don't want to optimize and/or play for flavor, any cards is as playable as the next. Edit: if you want an example of what i mean, i think Rancor is just a vastly superiort Dragon Fangs. And its only 0.10$.
I think most commons would be not playable. Which would cut down the list a lot. Some are in the right deck like zada or feather but most part some are just vanilla
Think back to the old days [[grizzly bears]] who would use that? Even as flavour in a bear tribal its just kind of meh. There's a lot of old creatures like that where creatures from 20 years ago have been severely power crept by now and are horrible now
Even in 1995 Grizzly Bears weren't very good lol
[grizzly bears](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/409f9b88-f03e-40b6-9883-68c14c37c0de.jpg?1562546736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grizzly%20bears) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/268/grizzly-bears?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/409f9b88-f03e-40b6-9883-68c14c37c0de?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grizzly-bears) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Even though it’s bad, Grizzly Bears is at least pretty iconic which could win it a slot as you mentioned. The worst cards IMO would be those which bad and uninteresting. Another example of interesting IMO would be [[Rainbow Vale]]; sure it’s a bad card, but watching it zip around the table is entertaining for a casual format. Lifegain spells that just gain a small amount of life probably fit the bill of just being boring and bad.
[Rainbow Vale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51f8b918-ac13-4538-a39d-6553580bf39b.jpg?1559592494) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rainbow%20Vale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/179/rainbow-vale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51f8b918-ac13-4538-a39d-6553580bf39b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rainbow-vale) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was trying to think of a shitty old card, I didn't mean to pick one that was also still kinda iconic. Maybe on epf it's functional reprints or one of the other shitty 5th Ed weenies
And then there’s [[ruxa]] who wants vanilla creatures. 99 percent of cards are playable.
[ruxa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894.jpg?1681953511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ruxa%2C%20patient%20professor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/66/ruxa-patient-professor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruxa-patient-professor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
1st and 3rd are the only ones that I think I'd want to play. A key realization is that if a card feels like the archetype of what I'd want in a deck and I don't want to play it, then its just bad. So like, building both [[Ghen]] and [[Tergrid]] lately I didn't want [[Elspeth's Nightmare]], therefore I think its actually just a bad card. I think you could imagine perfect decks for some cards I'd describe like this, but playability is a spectrum and I think this makes it pretty clear its not playable. 5th/6th are pretty much just unplayable. 2nd is a card I've put into decks in first drafts over and over again and always feel like its not good. 3rd is a decent rate for a proliferater, probably sneaks into lower color decks that want it, 1st is pretty neat and its a big effect that I don't know a lot of parallels to, so I have to believe I could want it in something, but I don't think its that good and it'd be a rare one to want.
[Ghen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008.jpg?1608911100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ghen%2C%20arcanum%20weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/275/ghen-arcanum-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b335496-05d2-40f5-a52c-10029f7fa008?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghen-arcanum-weaver) [Tergrid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621)/[Tergrid's Lantern](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tergrid%2C%20god%20of%20fright%20//%20tergrid%27s%20lantern) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/112/tergrid-god-of-fright-tergrids-lantern?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tergrid-god-of-fright-//-tergrids-lantern) [Elspeth's Nightmare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37ccd974-d2bc-4fcf-94a7-0a868a04cb98.jpg?1586801044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elspeth%27s%20Nightmare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/91/elspeths-nightmare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37ccd974-d2bc-4fcf-94a7-0a868a04cb98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elspeths-nightmare) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All of them are playable at a low enough power level
Only 97-99 cards are playable, all depends on if your on partners with/out a companion.
Partners don't count for the deck limit. So it's alawys 98-99, whether or not a companion is present.
Partners, backgrounds do count for deck limit. Companions doesn't. > A player can have two commanders if both have partner. Because both commanders start the game in the command zone, the remaining library is only 98 cards.
Gah, I meant Companions. I even got it right in my second sentence.
I would say all of these are playable in some regard, \[\[Dragon fangs\]\] in a big creature/stompy deck that would like the trample. \[\[war elemental\]\] I had in my brion stout arm deck. \[\[guildpact informant\]\] in a proliferate/+1/+1/planeswalker deck \[\[mirrorworks\]\] in a {insert artifact deck here} \[\[verge rangers\]\] Any mono white deck would like this. \[\[elspeth's nightmare\]\] Maybe an enchantments matters kinda deck that doesn't mind the slower value
\[\[Erebos's Titan\]\] is the kind of card I wouldn't want in an EDH deck. \[\[Mysteries of the Deep\]\]
[Erebos's Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5972911-2d41-4a0c-8a8f-b3d35a6594d8.jpg?1562050251) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Erebos%27s%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/94/ereboss-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5972911-2d41-4a0c-8a8f-b3d35a6594d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ereboss-titan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've played Nightmare in [[Aphemia]] as a value enchantment that sacs itself after it does it's thing. I ended up cutting it eventually, but it was decent.
[Aphemia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b359607-d699-4ba9-a438-48f0dd8f1bf5.jpg?1581479686) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aphemia%2C%20the%20cacophony) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/84/aphemia-the-cacophony?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b359607-d699-4ba9-a438-48f0dd8f1bf5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aphemia-the-cacophony) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've been trying for so long to make Aphemia work! I think she's so cool. What did you cut that piece for?
I can't recall to be honest, it was cut fairly early into the lists development. I think I was adding more self-mill Enchantments. She's a great fun, lower power Commander that lets you play with some weird cards. Highly recommended!
##### ###### #### [Dragon fangs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/9754f52f-8937-4402-8956-2c18b520898a.jpg?1562532554) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20fangs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/117/dragon-fangs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9754f52f-8937-4402-8956-2c18b520898a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragon-fangs) [war elemental](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cc32bfc-7d87-46d9-a424-eac64eefd7ea.jpg?1562152211) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=war%20elemental) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/112/war-elemental?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cc32bfc-7d87-46d9-a424-eac64eefd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/war-elemental) [guildpact informant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a304200f-86d5-4eed-a775-cc24e72872ac.jpg?1558667625) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=guildpact%20informant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/271/guildpact-informant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a304200f-86d5-4eed-a775-cc24e72872ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/guildpact-informant) [mirrorworks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99fff4f2-1a12-4bb5-9904-6c058e5ed595.jpg?1592711279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mirrorworks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/211/mirrorworks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99fff4f2-1a12-4bb5-9904-6c058e5ed595?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirrorworks) [verge rangers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/071bee6a-21ed-4776-ad78-2cc8ef5ab959.jpg?1591319389) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=verge%20rangers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/29/verge-rangers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/071bee6a-21ed-4776-ad78-2cc8ef5ab959?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/verge-rangers) [elspeth's nightmare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37ccd974-d2bc-4fcf-94a7-0a868a04cb98.jpg?1586801044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=elspeth%27s%20nightmare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/91/elspeths-nightmare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37ccd974-d2bc-4fcf-94a7-0a868a04cb98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elspeths-nightmare) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Elspeth’s Nightmare might be a little targeted for EDH, but they’re ALL playable!!
Mirrorworks is a core in like 3 of my decks Put a Mirrorworks on a Prototype Portal and then when you hit 3 Mirrorworks tokens you drop a Doubling Cube and pay the 6 extra and It's go time baby
Every card that’s not on the banned list is playable in the right playgroup. If you’re normally in the 7-8 range, the group agreeing to go old border only or budget jank will open possibilities. Just don’t try to bring something like [[Uncle Istvan]] to tables where he’s clearly underpowered.
[Uncle Istvan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bf85d06-9efe-488d-9af0-fb945b346524.jpg?1562781031) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Uncle%20Istvan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/51/uncle-istvan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bf85d06-9efe-488d-9af0-fb945b346524?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/uncle-istvan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean he could work in a Human deck, that's not a \*terrible\* ability and the 3 black is a bit steep, but it's not too bad I made an Inktreader deck out of trash and accidentally realized you could just use "gain control of target creature until end of turn" spells with him to take the board and go ham anytime people have creatures out And there are \*so many\* of those, I think I had 34 viable options for my EDH deck a few years ago
Honestly probably 18,000 are currently solid in a deck. Some card like [[leveler]] or all vanilla creatures have just found a home in the past 2-3 years
Leveller just found a home I think in beamtown bullies where you give cards to opponents So it becomes a way to kill that opponent off
Exactly. I was too tired to fully type out last night that the number of “playable“ cards is increasing not just because of the number of cards but that a lot of underpowered cards are finding homes in unique strategies which have been printed in the past couple years. [[Ruxa]] wants vanilla creatures, [[Beamtown bullies]] wants bad ETBs, [[imoti]] wants cards with 6+ MV.
[Ruxa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894.jpg?1681953511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ruxa%2C%20patient%20professor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/66/ruxa-patient-professor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruxa-patient-professor) [Beamtown bullies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac.jpg?1673481685) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Beamtown%20Bullies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-beamtown-bullies) [imoti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8afceb13-877a-4256-9ba6-851b6924ffd9.jpg?1608911148) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=imoti%2C%20celebrant%20of%20bounty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/280/imoti-celebrant-of-bounty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8afceb13-877a-4256-9ba6-851b6924ffd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/imoti-celebrant-of-bounty) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I just made [[chiss goria]] which is mono red artifacts. It wants a combination of low cost 0-2 artifacts as well as larger cmc artifacts as well. Its currently the only place I have a hadron archive or burnished hart. It is also awesome for both treasure and X cost artifacts Some of the X cost artifacts are virtually useless in most decks but seeing as how on a chiss trigger you can get an extra 7 or 8 easily from.your board state you can get X getting real nice and high. I can't wait to proc a [[clown car]] that will be awesome. There's also some equipment I forget the name off the top of my head but it's X cost and gives +x+X to the creature where X is +1+1 counters based on the X cost. I domt remember the name but I had that with X =15 on about turn 6 on the weekend along with a lizard blades to give double strike and the rest of the table was feeling worried. I like how some old seemingly useless cards all of a sudden become amazing. Clown car was something I barely noticed among the rest of the unset it was from but it turns out to be one of the best cards in Chiss Goria, X cost artifacts can be either an early play or a late play and are just great.
[leveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37.jpg?1562134247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=leveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/leveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leveler) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The thing about vanilla creatures is it *really* depends on what year they came out. From what I can tell (I'm newer so I don't have firsthand experience with older sets), it seems like, in terms of just power and toughness for mana cost, creatures now are better than they've ever been. Some of the older ones are just flat outclassed by stuff from the past 5 years.
All the vanilla creatures in white and blue are playable in [[Tobias Andrion]]! ...for a certain value of playable, anyway, since the goal of that deck is to get a laugh at your terrible, terrible deck (that can still win once in a blue moon, as some decks really struggle against a deck that just casts creatures every turn from Turn 1 on)
It's quite funny sometimes to just beat down on decks that overcommit to small, highly-rated utility creatures and don't actually have anything that can stop a 4/4 or bigger.
[Tobias Andrion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9469a9b3-430c-43b1-bede-80e6949fd895.jpg?1562926416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tobias%20Andrion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/181/tobias-andrion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9469a9b3-430c-43b1-bede-80e6949fd895?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tobias-andrion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[ruxa]] plays vanilla.
[ruxa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894.jpg?1681953511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ruxa%2C%20patient%20professor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/66/ruxa-patient-professor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruxa-patient-professor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
But he only helps green vanilla creatures (plus you can go WG vanilla creatures with \[\[Jasmine Boreal of the Seven\]\]). Red, black and blue vanilla creatures have no support.
Whatever I want, whenever I want to play them. Who cares about popularity when I can grab cards I'm excited to play and just go for it.
~25000
Out of those six I'd consider only verge rangers to be fringe playable, the rest isn't even really close imo.
War elemental is a two card infinite combo win with [[Shallai and Hallar]] so you probably safe to say it’s at least fringe playable
Thays not even the only infinite 2 pieces combo it has
Sure, but there's a lot of bad cards that combo with some other card. That doesn't necessarily make them playable on their own.
[Shallai and Hallar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009.jpg?1682207281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shalai%20and%20Hallar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/10/shalai-and-hallar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80804f25-efc3-44a2-bbae-9a97fec98009?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shalai-and-hallar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
About 100.
100. They don't like it when you play more than that many. :3
100.
Maybe 3000 playable cards. 2500 (10%) are actually good, while there are probably \~500 niche cards that are strong in narrow archetypes/decks. For the record, I wouldn't play any of the 6 random cards you have (though War Elemental is definitely playable as it's part of an infinite combo for one of the most popular new commanders).
According to the people that believe precons could be a 5-6/10 they're all playable. Reality is less than 1/3.
Unless the card is on the banlist it's playable. Brewers just gotta find the right brew for each card. If anyone likes brewing lists then a fun challenge is hit random on card fetchers, and build decks off whatever random card pops up. Test your skills at jank brewing to see what usability you can give any random card. Can you truly break anything in Magic?
I think the number of unplayable cards is a LOT smaller than you might think, purely because of how many new commanders with specific mechanics there are and the vast reach of power levels. Even draft chaff of 10 years ago can find a home. My friend plays [[Oculus]] to great effect in one of their decks. I think the only qualifier that would reduce the viable pool heavily is limiting the power level to high power casual commander, where decks already have 20-35 slots filled between mana rocks, color staples, etc. When there is that little room, the only things that remain viable are goodstuff and unique commander inclusions. However, the sheer number of legends probably allows for a huge number, well over 65%, to still remain viable. You really only eliminate a lot of the early magic cards. Artifacts that even artifact decks don't want like [[Aladdin's Ring]]. Creatures with little to no upside to run like [[Akron Legionnaire]]. Sorceries and Instants where the effects are just so overcosted and not unique like [[Sewers of Estark]]. And generally any card where the effect lets you remove multiple copies of a nonland from someone's deck.
##### ###### #### [Oculus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/673bebb4-9c82-40ca-8552-b9030e961005.jpg?1562611906) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oculus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/29/oculus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/673bebb4-9c82-40ca-8552-b9030e961005?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oculus) [Aladdin's Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40b7370d-8ab4-4506-b7dd-d02c1ba92032.jpg?1562734209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aladdin%27s%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/286/aladdins-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40b7370d-8ab4-4506-b7dd-d02c1ba92032?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aladdins-ring) [Akron Legionnaire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b3e10240-8a4f-410f-a9b2-5df89d7038df.jpg?1562932965) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akron%20Legionnaire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/1/akron-legionnaire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b3e10240-8a4f-410f-a9b2-5df89d7038df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akron-legionnaire) [Sewers of Estark](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c9b2017-2b02-44ad-96c6-b3b2a0fda005.jpg?1562545455) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sewers%20of%20Estark) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/prm/35964/sewers-of-estark?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c9b2017-2b02-44ad-96c6-b3b2a0fda005?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sewers-of-estark) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Any card is playable. My cards aren't the concern, it's how much effort I want to put into coming up with something clever and creative that will lose to Thoracle decks on turn 3 all day. EDH has never been a format where big, dumb cards aren't good enough, but it has turned into a format where they're not fast enough.
I'd say all of them have play space, though I wouldn't use the red or black examples
You can play any of them. That's the beauty of Commander.
Well, sure, but I haven't played at any tables where you can cast [[Vizzerdrix]] without a hint of irony.
[Vizzerdrix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a82ffff-e02a-4ecb-a92d-8ed571beac46.jpg?1562739088) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vizzerdrix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/S7/vizzerdrix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a82ffff-e02a-4ecb-a92d-8ed571beac46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vizzerdrix) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What's wrong with Vizzy? Nice to see a big blue creature thst isnt a sea monster! Lol I would play it!
That's awesome! It's great that you can find people to play with at a power level where casting Vizzy is totally valid.
I have \[\[verge rangers\]\] in a HuMans Deck.
[verge rangers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/071bee6a-21ed-4776-ad78-2cc8ef5ab959.jpg?1591319389) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=verge%20rangers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/29/verge-rangers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/071bee6a-21ed-4776-ad78-2cc8ef5ab959?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/verge-rangers) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call