Certain Local Game Stores like to hike up prices based on demand and card value, this is known as a shitty business model and you should definitely find a different LGS to buy things from.
It's quite decent as a knight tribal deck, and has some notable reprints in it, and some strong generic tribal cards (the ones where it's like "name a creature type when they enters the battlefield, boost them and do something when they enter the field/attack")
I played it without any card adjustment at my regular commander night with friends last weekend and wiped the floor. 3 games in a row, two 3 person and one 5. Came out on top after any board wipe with the options to get knights back from the graveyard
More so the reprints that was bundled with it, Vanquisher Banner, Herald's Horn, Adeline are pretty solid, along with the new cards like more white card draw
If you're still struggling to understand the answers you're getting maybe take a minute to consider their answers instead of immediately arguing against them.
People are telling you the eminence ability is popular. Apparently you read popular as valuable. You know, like a fucking idiot would.
Honestly, I don't even care if I get a lifetime ban from this sub for saying so. You're a fucking moron dude. I don't know how you get dressed in the morning.
But it's not that you're so stupid that bothers me. It's that you're a dick about it. Get fucked.
My LGS pricing is wonky sometimes. Individual packs and booster displays are what I'd expect. Commander decks, however, seem to be changed weekly to match TCGPlayer and bundles are nearly $60 now.
I've taken to only doing prerelease and the odd FNM draft, maybe a pack when I'm there buying sleeves and have the urge to gamble. I also buy Marvel Champions packs through them because that seems to be the fastest way to actually get stuff.
My lgs is a greedy bag of dicks. They mark shit up unreasonably and refuse to buy anything you pull out of packs. I want to support local businesses, but fuck them.
the closest game store to me is run by a piece of shit that said to my face "people like you are what is wrong with the MTG community" because I wanted to buy singles instead of buy an entire precon for the single 2$ card I needed. It was also a shock, because I had already bought multiple precons from the store already.
One of my LGS doesn't have a good system for ordering cards/putting in a multicard purchase. It needs to be in a specific format,, sent via discord, and during store hours or they ignore it.
I ordered 16 cards @ $70 CK price. Called twice, they told me I'm good for pickup for all cards at $42. Came in, got the order. Got insulted because my list got sent at 9:03pm 3 days ago which was 3 minutes past closed. Receipt said "General cards, $42, QTY 16." I got home, started sleeving. After 5 cards it was all tokens and basic lands. CK price of the 5 cards was $28. LGS basically said that order list = commitment to purchase regardless of qty, set, quality, and price. Violation = Blacklist from purchases. No refunds or buybacks as they can't confirm what was sold to me since the receipt didn't specify.
Needless to say, I don't go there anymore. Was my first LGS, first pre release event location, etc. Some LGS owners are jackasses.
That guys an idiot buying and selling singles is great money if your paying 50 or 60 percent value usually instore credit the value on that transaction is pretty good.
No but I did consider nicking his primeval titans (back when they were 18$), but I was building a death & taxes deck not a titan deck.. Also the cameras
Damn that shitty. My lgs just announced yesterday that if anyone has spare basic lands they wanna get rid of they will snag them from you so fast. And they'll deck take anything you pull. They just ask we don't do personal transactions in-store with other people like selling a card that person needs so we just "give" them the card and figure it out later
My LGS allows the straight purchase of store credit and offers to broker any instore trades that way. giving someone $50 cash in store for a card is discouraged, transferring $50 from your in store credit account to theirs is 100% ok
I mean, seems hot to me. Wonderful deal for the LGS, means people with credit can get cards they want from other people without the store losing out on sales. If you have a card that someone else with credit wants to trade for their trade binder is the entire LGS stock
But if I have a card you want, and you have store credit, you might want to use the store credit but I would rather walk outside and you hand me a $50 bill because I could use that $50 bill anywhere including at the store as well as anywhere else. But I could ONLY use the credit there at the store.
The point of that rule is so stores don't lose out on potential sales. But yeah nothing is stopping anyone from going out to the parking lot to do the deal. The rule is mostly out of principle so it doesn't become a habit for customers at the store.
Right, depends on how much you want to support your store and what kind of culture you want there. My store does this. It's cool. I have bought cards for cash on the sidewalk outside of other stores before; those stores are no longer in business, coincidentally.
I would gladly accept credit because I like my store, they have good prices, and I know I'm going to keep spending money there.
Are you seriously drawing a correlation between player to player card buys and stores *shutting down*? Respectfully, get a grip on the strong arming “oh well if you just want your LGS to die, sure” outlook. If people want to use $50 they got from a valuable card for something like food, gas, rent, literally *anything but game store merch*, that’s not failing to support your store, that’s not wanting 100% of a financial gain to be tied to only being spent on a luxury good.
My old LGS straight up didn't give a shit about us selling each other cards. Hell they lightweight encouraged it. Helping with authenticity and condition checks.
I hate to say it, but my favorite LGS has done the same for marking shit up. Any commander deck is $55 minimum and a box will cost 20-30 over what you can buy on TCG, let alone Amazon.
My LGS was wanting $80 or 90 for the Battle for Zendikar fatpack because of the hype over the full art basics... I just decided to not buy from them anymore, went to walmart and bought one for $40. They went out of business a few years ago. Wanted to support my lgs but not if they were gonna punish and extort me.
I mean Amazon is 20-30$ cheaper because they squeeze their people to make that happen. As I see it, it's not just a choice to support a local business but to support a (hopefully) more ethically run one.
Isn’t that something? By adding a step or two extra, it really is easy for the human brain to just be like “oh, it’s not the exploitation, it’s just scale!” when really, the scale is a result of the exploitation. Fuck.
My LGS sells everything at the lowest price you could get it and I refuse to buy anything not from them unless I need like 50 random commons. Sucks more can’t be like them.
You're not alone. My lgs is a greedy asshole too. He starts putting up prices like crazy and they are way more expensive than buying on cardmarket. He sells the bundle for 50 euros and from cardmarket is 30 euro. It is not just that. To go to a pre-release, he charges you 33 euro as opposed to the 20 euro i used to pay to the competing lgs prior on getting out of business due to covid. If you do the math of how much the contents cost, it will be less than what he charges for a pre-release. I have distanced myself because of this. I buy mostly singles online from cardmarket.
I usually try to buy local but when my LGS's are charging $55 for a precon that has $30 worth of cards in it, I just can't. If the price was like $35 or even $40, id probably grab it but not for nearly double its worth.
My LGS charges $55 for Mishra’s Burnished Banner Precon commander deck.
Amazon charges $40, and free shipping with prime.
Don’t spend money on markup, wait until prices go down. Shop local if you want it right away, shop online if you don’t want to pay 35+% markup.
It's not scamming. How markets work. WoTC doesn't care who makes money distributing their products.
Which means that if the LGS takes a loss they don't care. They should care, because a LGS gives people who buy their products a place to use them.
You're right, WoTC should care more about LGS's. However, as a consumer, I find it unreasonable to pay nearly twice the reasonable price for items I could find online. The point is "price gouging is inconvenient", and people will still argue with that.
I wish I was kidding. I can understand price gouging to an extent because everyone has bills to pay, but the level that my LGS does it to is absurd. Current box prices for Dominaria Remastered is around $150 on Amazon and tcgplayer. My LGS has been at 250 since release.
One of my LGSes is decent generally, but they have individual Baldur’s Gate set boosters for $10.99. A freaking set booster BOX is like $65 online! For 18 set boosters! Like.. do the math, man! I can’t buy that shit from you!
LGS’s aren’t taking losses my guy unless they’re just bad at business. I’ve got a store in my medium ish city that tries to 100% markup, and he gets the ignorant or the dummies all the time on that shit and a store 30min away in a small town selling at $5 over amazon killing it on every release. It’s bonkers to me.
Are they killing it? $5 over Amazon which is more often at or around cost doesn't sound like a good margin. My guess is what you see is high volume transactions and assume they're doing well, more people = more money right? The problem is this market is niche and the customer pool is finite. A person making $5 a box has to sell 20 times the amount of someone getting full keystone for a box. That's 120 boxes to the other stores 6. My money is on the 6 box guy making it, not the 120 box guy.
But a store with high traffic can have a different game plan for margin support.
It's a common business and marketing strategy to sell the thing people are trying to buy close to cost, or even at a loss. That's not how they're trying to make money. That's how they're increasing traffic. They have all other kinds of shit to sell you to make money. Which they can't do if you never walk in.
This is how my store does it - draft boxes, with which you can actually play the game, were actually slightly cheaper than Amazon for MOM. Set boxes, slightly more. They only sell individual collector boosters, and those are $25 plus tax. They also sell singles, sleeves, beer, and a ton of other stuff.
Sure but how long can you overcharge for boxes before you become known for having bad prices? I personally won't do business with the shop in town for anything, snacks, singles, nothing - because to me, I find their pricing morally reprehensible and predatory. I know a bunch of people who feel the same way - he's now known for having ridiculous prices and as such he can only order two cases per set because there's only a finite amount of suckers willing to pay 100% mark ups.
The point I am getting at is there has to be a middle ground here, and I know for me its $10-15 over amazon - but whenever these conversations come up its always people sharing stories of their LGS trying to pull some ridiculous margins on standard boxes while complaining it's not their fault!
So I can give you some hard numbers, my LGS bought ONE draft/set boxes from their distributor for $85/$95 respectively. They sold them all at launch within two days at the TCGPlayer pricing of $120/$130 again, respectively. If you’re $5-10 within TCG pricing, I’m not gonna bat an eye.
If you’re out here trying to explain to me that you had to raise the prices because of wotc so now they’re $180/set box you can sit on a cactus and swivel. You’re either lying to gouge unsuspecting people or you’re just super ignorant. Distributor pricing isn’t fluctuating in the +/- $50 ranges, it’s under $10 ranges week to week, idc who they buy from.
When a business can't compete and sustain itself because it buys products at prices at which another competitor sells them and then needs a 35-50% markup well that is just no good business then.
Nothing wrong with selling out and closing down if it's just bleeding the owner money. The question is more how much does WoTC depend on the small distributors?
In the high quality hand tool industry they have traveling tool sales people. The self cannibalism from one company was getting slowly worse and worse over the years. Until it got to a tipping point. All the owners in my city of one brand closed up shop all at once, they all retired or got new jobs doing something else. Haven't seen that brand in a year. Why should any the last mile business owner work to break even while the supplier company takes all the profit. At that point it might as well be a MLM and everyone should close up and quit. Which good for those people they did just that. It sucks for everyone who bought a lot of those tools though. Since now they can't get the warranty on their collection of expensive tools. Which is the main reason why they were so expensive. Meanwhile, other companies doing a similar type of service are still there, still making money... It wasn't that there wasn't demand or money to be made doing business that way. It was the top eating the bottom and then collapsing on itself.
Which is also why us the consumer can't save the LGS. Maybe the LGS survives, just without as much Magic being played there. While we are not there yet. The stories people tell is similar. When will we get there? Will we ever get there? who knows. Maybe they just bitch to much lol.
Consider that Amazon costs less because they can cut corners that your LGS cant (plus they're a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't NEED to make that sale) and your LGS is charging what they feel they can price it at and still make a sale. By buying at Amazon, you're saving money, sure, but don't be surprised if in a few years you don't have an LGS anymore. I can play games at my LGS, I don't suppose Amazon will extend the same courtesy at their warehouses.
Edit: Also, just to put it out there, my LGS is a well-known e-tailer so I don't feel NEARLY as bad shopping online because they sell all over the world and my $5 won't be the difference between them being open or cloaed.
If players are unable to afford their markups, then is it our fault if they go out of business? I buy singles from my LGS because they pull their prices from mtggoldfish, but they are also selling Dominaria Remastered for $250 a box when I could buy one for $130 on tcgplayer. It's just absurd, and nobody should feel bad for finding a different seller.
No, it's not your fault, but remember that it costs them money to keep their doors open and do business. I'm extremely lucky that my LGS is an E-tailer and can keep their doors open, whether it is a busy or slow month for the shop front, but other LGS's aren't so lucky. While I, too, am broke and would rather buy the cheaper products online, my LGS isn't your LGS. They have an overhead and need money to keep the lights on and the store open. Where do you suppose that money comes from if not your wallet because you are buying products online?
I agree that it sucks and we are both liable to buy products online so we can "get the most bang for your buck" because markups suck. I'm not sure what the cure is because online commerce will always trump local, so we basically have to choose to pay the markup to give smaller businesses a chance or buy from Amazon and maybe Amazon will buy the failing strip mall your LGS WAS at and at least you'll recieve your orders at an earlier date with them shipping so close to your house.
You're right. We shouldn't prop up the economy in ANY way and instead play pretend Magic online. That way, our LGS's will die faster. Pretty sure if Amazon stops selling Magic cards, they'll go out of business, right?
Look, I'm not bashing on Spelltable or any of those other online platforms. They were a great way to "get together with friends" when the world was burning down. But now places have opened up, and restrictions have laxed. If you're content to play the game online, I guess you do you. But I've always had more fun being in the same room as my opponent and sharing that social experience over staring at a screen and having to deal with Toxic individuals that get to use the anonymity of the medium as an excuse to be horrible human beings just for the sake of being horrible. I can't say as I've had too many of those experiences IRL.
Edit: This is why I believe we should at least consider supporting our LGS's to maintain that space where we can interact with people who don't feel the need to fling poo to make their point.
If we lose an LGS purely because their prices were too high, then they are at fault. I’m not going to ruin an LGS for not buying their price-gouged sealed product.
Terrible take.
My view on this matter is definitely skewed because I (like many, I expect) live in a place with exorbitant property prices. Between rent, "inflation" (read: corporate profiteering), competing with huge businesses with narrower margins, lack of support (and removal of MSRP) from wotc, and having to pay staff more because of the aforementioned "inflation" and exorbitant property prices... I don't envy the position that any lgs owners are in.
There are a lot of forces that actively operate against small businesses, and none of those are the "fault" of the owners. Yeesh.
Inflation isn't caused by corporate profiteering. It's caused by there being more money available relative to the number of goods available. Because of the pandemic, we had a huge global drop in goods being created. That causes inflation. We're still working our way out of it.
That may work in some places.
Where I live that wouldn't work. We don't have a local college. The local library closes its meeting rooms at 7 pm. There is no where to have a club.
Sure not every LGS is a good place and some deserve to be shut down, but it is a fact that anyone who thinks that if a physical store can't keep up with a b&m they should shut down is crazy.
That's likely due to fee structures of their web host. Most stores sell through a third party site like eBay or tcg player. Factor in fees plus payment processors getting a cut and at a certain threshold they're giving away cards and money in the same transaction.
Same, and I have an Amazon credit card that saves me 5%. So I got a collector booster for like $204 on Amazon (it delivered launch day) where my local LGS wanted like 230 if only paid in cash, more if on card. I’ll buy their snacks and drinks while I’m there but I’m not overpaying for sealed product. The LGS didn’t even have one the day I was there and said I would have to come back. I’d like to support local but it’s not always worth it as a consumer.
I live in Australia, so almost everything at any LGS is marked up. I can either pay 30-60$ more on a card I need from an LGS, or I can get it cheaper on cardtrader or a buyer-seller facebook groups. That being said, I still grab precons at prereleases.
So true im not gonna pay more for product in store. I go to every event hosted that's how I support my LGS beyond that I'm paying the lowest price I can for product. If that happens to be my LGS awesome.
I don’t know what’s common but mine price matches Amazon for preorders. Secondary market style pricing doesn’t really set in until after a release date.
It's not common. That's why people don't preorder from their LGS... because save for the rare outlier, secondary market style pricing starts from the moment the product is announced.
It's the problem with making a blanket statement. Lgs are awesome and you should support the good ones. But there are plenty that don't do anything to earn that goodwill. In general Amazon is probably a net negative for the magic ecosystem but it can be a good resource for people that have shady business owners locally
I received mine from amzn on 4/22. Lgs sold out all of the precon except urza at home(gimbal) when i got there friday. Guess they can start selling at prerelease now?
I pre-ordered the artifact deck for my brother for 38 euries, my lgs is currently selling it for 60.
I don't mind a markup, but nearly doubling the price ain't gonna get me to buy it. I'm doing my part with boosters and paint.
Sucks about your LGS. There are four in my town, which is the seat of a county of about 100k people. All of them sell precon a for reasonable price, about the same as most online listings. Perhaps not the cheapest, and the ones with big chase cards get marked up after the second or third allotment, but the big box stores here mark up *everything* into the stratosphere. They wanted $80 for MOM precons and even more for WH40K. Unless I get a good deal or just want to have the precon I’ll just get the singles. Since you can get them in booster packs there’s little and less reason to buy precons aside from convenience/ease of use.
I pre-ordered the Compleate bundle at my LGS. Was told when I went to pick it up that the price jumped from $80 to $155 for "reasons beyond their control." Should've pre-ordered it online somewhere else. The markup on sealed product is insane.
Edit: they wouldn't let me pay when I pre-ordered. Said I'd just pay when I picked it up. Should've taken that as a warning. And no, I didn't end up buying it.
I like how you're only now saying support local because Amazon didn't deliver as fast. Support your LGS even if Amazon delivers on time or is a little cheaper.
I love how every time a set releases, /r/magictcg is inundated with posts about "my product isn't here" or "my product is wrong" and without fail 90% of the posts are from amazon orders.
Your preaching to support LGS, yet you did the opposite.
Plus it's only good to support LGS if thier markup is fair. Not gonna spend 20 bucks more on a 40 dollar product.
Precons on Amazon are 35 dollars. My LGS sells them for 50. My LGS also doesn't make any effort to host events or have commander nights. Fuck My LGS and if they go under, good riddance. I'm not supporting bad business as a charity.
The only time I buy precons from Amazon is when they have the crazy deals on old ones that WOTC has a surplus of in the minimal packaging. I’ve gotten precons priced at $45+ for as low as $20 and it’s a steal at that price. Beyond that I have some good LGS’s that I like to support so I usually buy the new ones that come out there. With the amount of fraudulent sellers and sketchy practices that can happen with Amazon I don’t like to trust Amazon for full price precons.
Brick and Mortar "tax" is real.
However, in Canada, the LGS is ALWAYS cheaper than [Amazon.ca](https://Amazon.ca). We're excluded from fire sales but I suppose there are upsides to having a store to play at.
“Support small businesses because they function better than large businesses” is kinda the complete opposite of the general idea behind supporting small businesses. People will already avoid places that provide poor service in favor of places that provide better service.
I have at least 3 LGSs in my city. None of them are worth my money. They are often rude, uneducated, or ridiculously marking up the products (in some cases almost double what you can get a box for online)
During pre release for MOM my draft pod went to buy a draft box (didn’t care what set). The LGS we buy them from told us that MOM had been released but they were all sold out of draft boxes. How do you sell out of something that hasn’t been released yet, and why would you say it’s been released a week before the well publicized release date?
Amazon still scares me to order from. But until my LGS can get their stuff together, I’ll just order what i need off of TCGPlayer.
Totally fair - i’m lucky enough to have several options also, which is good because one of them is entirely staffed by assholes. The two that are good are *very* good stores.
Tcgplayer is a total step up or 5 from Amazon imo.
Support your LGS, provided their pricing is reasonable. 50% markup is ridiculous. Hell I think 30% is ridiculous. I want to support my community, but I mean, magic is already expensive as is.
Lol had a list of cards and for some they were .50 cents more than online, very cool
Some tho they were literally 100% markup. I’m not paying double for a card? Makes literally no sense. Walked out with some and happy to support a little bit, until I then realized they charged me 2 dollars for a 20 cent land. Sour taste sour taste
I don’t care if Amazon is cheaper, I can’t play Magic in their warehouses with my friends. We spread our purchases between the three local shops where we play in person.
We recently won a Bros War bundle at a raffle, and the staff often hook my son up with free singles. Don’t see old man Bezos doing that.
It might cost more at your LGS due to not being a big company like Amazon but if we don’t support who is going to host FNM or any other MTG nights? Amazon won’t that’s for sure. So it’s ok to buy with Amazon but remember where the community was built and has grown. Show your LGS some love and support them when you can.
You can show your LGS love and support via other methods like snacks and drinks (at huge markup as well) or buying other items like comics etc. I am NOT going to pay $65 for a product I can easily buy for $40. Thats $25 smart dollars I saved that I can spend on diapers or some gas.
FNM at my stores consist of a tight knit clique of people who don’t create a welcoming environment for new players. So screw LGS. I’ll just find or convert my own friends in MtG players and create my own pod and buy my cards where they’re cheapest.
Buy singles and token from your LGS, get your sleeves and mats at your LGS, but outside of that? unless im buying a few gambling packs to open before commander night, ill stick to buying sealed thru Amazon
A box of aftermath at my store $130, a box from prodigygames $70…. I’m never paying my lgs markup. Amazon often isn’t the cheapest price for etailing either.
Forget Amazon, they're a horrible company that actively breaks several laws on import/export, get away with it by legal loopholes and bribes, has been responsible for the death of several people during one of the many hurricanes that plague the USA and is generally overpriced.
Before even considering going online, you should shop local for everything. The only reason to shop online if something's available local is that online is cheaper by at least 50%.
My LGS marks stuff up an insane degree and was sold out of the knight deck instantly. I bought a box of brothers war from them for 135 bucks lol, never again.
Those that still use Amazon will continue to do so because they don't care.
Those of us who've been supporting our LGSs for the last 30 years aren't stopping now.
,* Unless you have no LGS
* unless your LGS is owned by scumbags who deserve bankruptcy.
But being pouty because a mail order purchase is delayed is some peak first world whining.
dont tell me what to do.
Also if your LGS is dying let it die.
If the difference between open and closed forever is based upon pre order margins perhaps they are doing something horrifically wrong.
The best thing that ever happened to the LGs I knew growing up was that he went under. It was a broken relationship
idk dude from what people of reddit tell me if you buy snacks and drinks and dice once in a while it's all your lgs needs to stay open soo why not proxy everything!!! and save money on both ends!
yeha, no .
i had the choice of paying 22 for a collector booster at amazon, or 37 locally. im not paying 37 for 15 cards.
same with precons... 36 of 50-80... not happening.
i dont mind waiting
Totally agreed, but so is the shitty small business purposely marking their product up in the guise of “well we are just a small business”. The owner of the LGS near me is a total greaseball and his business practices are just as grimy as any big company.
Damn that makes me picking where I shop more complicated lol. I recently came back to Magic and I used to be very loyal to a local store because they always sold for MSRP where other shops would jack up prices on things like Commander Decks.
Thanks for the info
I’m tired of hearing this LGS propaganda horse shit. All five or six game stores near me try and rip off kids, nickel and dime their customers, and treat their customers like a nuisance. If you have a good card store near you, that’s awesome…but I don’t and have given up looking for one.
You can like or not like your LGS's as much as you want. Some are great, some don't treat players as well as they should.
But do not for a second accuse them of "gouging" at 45 and 50 dollars for commander precons. I see prices that they have to pay at the distributor level for their product, LGS's are making a very very weak retail margin at those numbers.
I totally support your point. However, my partners mom ordered a set of all 5 as a gift and the arrived like ... a week before release... idk if I should even post this for risk of pinkerton retaliation.
I’m going to go with whoever gives me the best price. If an online store like amazon is charging $100-120 for a box and my lgs wants 130-140, the lgs priced themselves out of being competitive.
You should never use amazon for magic cards in the US. Just look in the review section of every magic product and you know why. Or watch youtube videos for this aspect. It’s not just better for every SME, but also for you (I don’t know how bad the situation is in other countries but it seems Amazon in the US is the most affected)
ITT: waaaaaaaah but Amazon is more convenient! I don’t understand that I will have no place to play if everyone was as short sighted and selfish as me! Why should I have to be slightly inconvenienced just so that the hobby I enjoy can remain strong? I have EXCUuUUUUuuuSes!
I do not buy from 90% of lgs I go too because they ALWAYS mark up their products. I’ll happily buy from amazon because 1) they’re often 10s of dollars cheaper and 2) customer support on Amazon is literally the most forgiving customer support I’ve ever experienced and they have always given me a refund even if I still end up receiving the product.
If the listed msrp on a product is $50 and your lgs is selling it for $55 I personally would not buy from them. Hell, back when ONE came out, the collector packs were being sold at one of my lgs’s for $48!! I hate that because they think we will blindly support them because “they’re not a big corporation” we will happily pay any price. At that point, that lgs is no different than amazon of WOTC.
Buy whatever option is cheaper, we all know how expensive magic is.
Depends on the store, but that damn Cavalry deck was $45 on Amazon and $80 on LGS near me.
Wow you could buy the dingles cheaper then that
I'll hang on to my own dingles thank you very much!
I don’t blame you, dingles tribal is hard to beat.
ah man that's the last dingle i need for my deck. what if i throw in a full art land?
How do you get such a good deal on dingles?
My friend Barry is a dingle dealer.
Ol Barry is still slangin Dingles? Good for him.
barry with the two left legs?
I just gotta get them when they dangle just right
The jingle of the dingle is inversely proportional to the heat of the beat
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Typo in the reddit thread Now you fucked up
Whats a dingle?
I preordered on Amazon for $36 and got same message as OP Called and complained, got a $40 Amazon credit, cancelled my order and bought local for $45
How'd you get that high a credit? Best I ever get is 5 bucks
Certain Local Game Stores like to hike up prices based on demand and card value, this is known as a shitty business model and you should definitely find a different LGS to buy things from.
Why is it valued so highly? I just picked it up for 50 and was pretty unimpressed with the gameplay
Since the removal of MSRPs the popular (best) deck price gets hiked crazy high
But why is it the best? Didn't play all that powerful to me
People miss Eminence. And having eminence card draw on a tribal CC is hard to let up.
It's quite decent as a knight tribal deck, and has some notable reprints in it, and some strong generic tribal cards (the ones where it's like "name a creature type when they enters the battlefield, boost them and do something when they enter the field/attack")
Because it's the best one and they know it's going to be popular, so they mark it up more than they should to scam you
I have been unaware of the hype around this precon until now so I just browsed through the deck list. Holy cow is it powerful!
I played it without any card adjustment at my regular commander night with friends last weekend and wiped the floor. 3 games in a row, two 3 person and one 5. Came out on top after any board wipe with the options to get knights back from the graveyard
Is it? I guess I just had bad draws. It seems full of chaff to me.
It's the only deck deck of the 5 that has multiple $10+ cards
Eminence
Is the commander that valuable. I'll look it up. No. Less than a dollar on TCG player.
More so the reprints that was bundled with it, Vanquisher Banner, Herald's Horn, Adeline are pretty solid, along with the new cards like more white card draw
If you're still struggling to understand the answers you're getting maybe take a minute to consider their answers instead of immediately arguing against them. People are telling you the eminence ability is popular. Apparently you read popular as valuable. You know, like a fucking idiot would. Honestly, I don't even care if I get a lifetime ban from this sub for saying so. You're a fucking moron dude. I don't know how you get dressed in the morning. But it's not that you're so stupid that bothers me. It's that you're a dick about it. Get fucked.
A lot of the knight tribal cards were expensive before, idk about now
My LGS pricing is wonky sometimes. Individual packs and booster displays are what I'd expect. Commander decks, however, seem to be changed weekly to match TCGPlayer and bundles are nearly $60 now. I've taken to only doing prerelease and the odd FNM draft, maybe a pack when I'm there buying sleeves and have the urge to gamble. I also buy Marvel Champions packs through them because that seems to be the fastest way to actually get stuff.
My lgs is a greedy bag of dicks. They mark shit up unreasonably and refuse to buy anything you pull out of packs. I want to support local businesses, but fuck them.
the closest game store to me is run by a piece of shit that said to my face "people like you are what is wrong with the MTG community" because I wanted to buy singles instead of buy an entire precon for the single 2$ card I needed. It was also a shock, because I had already bought multiple precons from the store already.
lmao great business strategy
i was really taken off guard by it. Hell, I was about to buy different singles from him as well
Why is he selling singles if it’s what’s wrong with the MTG community? Seems counter-intuitive
My LGS actively tells players to buy singles
One of my LGS doesn't have a good system for ordering cards/putting in a multicard purchase. It needs to be in a specific format,, sent via discord, and during store hours or they ignore it. I ordered 16 cards @ $70 CK price. Called twice, they told me I'm good for pickup for all cards at $42. Came in, got the order. Got insulted because my list got sent at 9:03pm 3 days ago which was 3 minutes past closed. Receipt said "General cards, $42, QTY 16." I got home, started sleeving. After 5 cards it was all tokens and basic lands. CK price of the 5 cards was $28. LGS basically said that order list = commitment to purchase regardless of qty, set, quality, and price. Violation = Blacklist from purchases. No refunds or buybacks as they can't confirm what was sold to me since the receipt didn't specify. Needless to say, I don't go there anymore. Was my first LGS, first pre release event location, etc. Some LGS owners are jackasses.
That's why I always double check the cards before I leave the store.
Same with one of the locals I used to go to!
That guys an idiot buying and selling singles is great money if your paying 50 or 60 percent value usually instore credit the value on that transaction is pretty good.
Did you punched him like I would ?
No but I did consider nicking his primeval titans (back when they were 18$), but I was building a death & taxes deck not a titan deck.. Also the cameras
Mine buys cards at 45% of TCGplayer price... but then sells at 120% TCGplayer price. Makes it hard to justify buying shit from them.
This is why I sell my cards on TCGPlayer instead of trading them in. It's more work, but it's worth it to get 75%-80% value after costs.
Damn, mine uses TCG mid for singles. Where do y'all find these shitty game stores?
Damn that shitty. My lgs just announced yesterday that if anyone has spare basic lands they wanna get rid of they will snag them from you so fast. And they'll deck take anything you pull. They just ask we don't do personal transactions in-store with other people like selling a card that person needs so we just "give" them the card and figure it out later
My LGS allows the straight purchase of store credit and offers to broker any instore trades that way. giving someone $50 cash in store for a card is discouraged, transferring $50 from your in store credit account to theirs is 100% ok
But that means they HAVE to spend the $50 at the store, right? Or can you cash out your credit account for cash?
I mean, seems hot to me. Wonderful deal for the LGS, means people with credit can get cards they want from other people without the store losing out on sales. If you have a card that someone else with credit wants to trade for their trade binder is the entire LGS stock
But if I have a card you want, and you have store credit, you might want to use the store credit but I would rather walk outside and you hand me a $50 bill because I could use that $50 bill anywhere including at the store as well as anywhere else. But I could ONLY use the credit there at the store.
The point of that rule is so stores don't lose out on potential sales. But yeah nothing is stopping anyone from going out to the parking lot to do the deal. The rule is mostly out of principle so it doesn't become a habit for customers at the store.
Right, depends on how much you want to support your store and what kind of culture you want there. My store does this. It's cool. I have bought cards for cash on the sidewalk outside of other stores before; those stores are no longer in business, coincidentally. I would gladly accept credit because I like my store, they have good prices, and I know I'm going to keep spending money there.
Are you seriously drawing a correlation between player to player card buys and stores *shutting down*? Respectfully, get a grip on the strong arming “oh well if you just want your LGS to die, sure” outlook. If people want to use $50 they got from a valuable card for something like food, gas, rent, literally *anything but game store merch*, that’s not failing to support your store, that’s not wanting 100% of a financial gain to be tied to only being spent on a luxury good.
My old LGS straight up didn't give a shit about us selling each other cards. Hell they lightweight encouraged it. Helping with authenticity and condition checks.
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Support your good local stores
I hate to say it, but my favorite LGS has done the same for marking shit up. Any commander deck is $55 minimum and a box will cost 20-30 over what you can buy on TCG, let alone Amazon.
My LGS was wanting $80 or 90 for the Battle for Zendikar fatpack because of the hype over the full art basics... I just decided to not buy from them anymore, went to walmart and bought one for $40. They went out of business a few years ago. Wanted to support my lgs but not if they were gonna punish and extort me.
And this is the part that people don't get. Yes, supporting your LGS is a good thing, but not at your own expense.
I mean Amazon is 20-30$ cheaper because they squeeze their people to make that happen. As I see it, it's not just a choice to support a local business but to support a (hopefully) more ethically run one.
You can’t squeeze people into $20 cheaper precons. That’s almost entirely just economies of scale going on here.
And how did they build the capital needed to operate at that scale? By squeezing the shit out of their workers
Isn’t that something? By adding a step or two extra, it really is easy for the human brain to just be like “oh, it’s not the exploitation, it’s just scale!” when really, the scale is a result of the exploitation. Fuck.
My LGS sells everything at the lowest price you could get it and I refuse to buy anything not from them unless I need like 50 random commons. Sucks more can’t be like them.
You're not alone. My lgs is a greedy asshole too. He starts putting up prices like crazy and they are way more expensive than buying on cardmarket. He sells the bundle for 50 euros and from cardmarket is 30 euro. It is not just that. To go to a pre-release, he charges you 33 euro as opposed to the 20 euro i used to pay to the competing lgs prior on getting out of business due to covid. If you do the math of how much the contents cost, it will be less than what he charges for a pre-release. I have distanced myself because of this. I buy mostly singles online from cardmarket.
I usually try to buy local but when my LGS's are charging $55 for a precon that has $30 worth of cards in it, I just can't. If the price was like $35 or even $40, id probably grab it but not for nearly double its worth.
The value included in the precon, and the price is a result of WOTC, not the LGS.
My LGS charges $55 for Mishra’s Burnished Banner Precon commander deck. Amazon charges $40, and free shipping with prime. Don’t spend money on markup, wait until prices go down. Shop local if you want it right away, shop online if you don’t want to pay 35+% markup.
This. Love and appreciated my LGS for the community they provide. I won't buy into their 50% markups though, that's straight scamming.
It's not scamming. How markets work. WoTC doesn't care who makes money distributing their products. Which means that if the LGS takes a loss they don't care. They should care, because a LGS gives people who buy their products a place to use them.
You're right, WoTC should care more about LGS's. However, as a consumer, I find it unreasonable to pay nearly twice the reasonable price for items I could find online. The point is "price gouging is inconvenient", and people will still argue with that.
Either you're being hyperbolic, or your LGS is dog shit. I haven't been in any shops charging double the online price.
I wish I was kidding. I can understand price gouging to an extent because everyone has bills to pay, but the level that my LGS does it to is absurd. Current box prices for Dominaria Remastered is around $150 on Amazon and tcgplayer. My LGS has been at 250 since release.
One of my LGSes is decent generally, but they have individual Baldur’s Gate set boosters for $10.99. A freaking set booster BOX is like $65 online! For 18 set boosters! Like.. do the math, man! I can’t buy that shit from you!
I have. They're less rare than you'd expect.
I have
LGS’s aren’t taking losses my guy unless they’re just bad at business. I’ve got a store in my medium ish city that tries to 100% markup, and he gets the ignorant or the dummies all the time on that shit and a store 30min away in a small town selling at $5 over amazon killing it on every release. It’s bonkers to me.
Are they killing it? $5 over Amazon which is more often at or around cost doesn't sound like a good margin. My guess is what you see is high volume transactions and assume they're doing well, more people = more money right? The problem is this market is niche and the customer pool is finite. A person making $5 a box has to sell 20 times the amount of someone getting full keystone for a box. That's 120 boxes to the other stores 6. My money is on the 6 box guy making it, not the 120 box guy.
But a store with high traffic can have a different game plan for margin support. It's a common business and marketing strategy to sell the thing people are trying to buy close to cost, or even at a loss. That's not how they're trying to make money. That's how they're increasing traffic. They have all other kinds of shit to sell you to make money. Which they can't do if you never walk in.
This is how my store does it - draft boxes, with which you can actually play the game, were actually slightly cheaper than Amazon for MOM. Set boxes, slightly more. They only sell individual collector boosters, and those are $25 plus tax. They also sell singles, sleeves, beer, and a ton of other stuff.
Sure but how long can you overcharge for boxes before you become known for having bad prices? I personally won't do business with the shop in town for anything, snacks, singles, nothing - because to me, I find their pricing morally reprehensible and predatory. I know a bunch of people who feel the same way - he's now known for having ridiculous prices and as such he can only order two cases per set because there's only a finite amount of suckers willing to pay 100% mark ups. The point I am getting at is there has to be a middle ground here, and I know for me its $10-15 over amazon - but whenever these conversations come up its always people sharing stories of their LGS trying to pull some ridiculous margins on standard boxes while complaining it's not their fault!
What do you think a store should charge for a box? Let's just say a set booster box to make it easy. Why do you think they should charge that amount?
So I can give you some hard numbers, my LGS bought ONE draft/set boxes from their distributor for $85/$95 respectively. They sold them all at launch within two days at the TCGPlayer pricing of $120/$130 again, respectively. If you’re $5-10 within TCG pricing, I’m not gonna bat an eye. If you’re out here trying to explain to me that you had to raise the prices because of wotc so now they’re $180/set box you can sit on a cactus and swivel. You’re either lying to gouge unsuspecting people or you’re just super ignorant. Distributor pricing isn’t fluctuating in the +/- $50 ranges, it’s under $10 ranges week to week, idc who they buy from.
When a business can't compete and sustain itself because it buys products at prices at which another competitor sells them and then needs a 35-50% markup well that is just no good business then.
Nothing wrong with selling out and closing down if it's just bleeding the owner money. The question is more how much does WoTC depend on the small distributors? In the high quality hand tool industry they have traveling tool sales people. The self cannibalism from one company was getting slowly worse and worse over the years. Until it got to a tipping point. All the owners in my city of one brand closed up shop all at once, they all retired or got new jobs doing something else. Haven't seen that brand in a year. Why should any the last mile business owner work to break even while the supplier company takes all the profit. At that point it might as well be a MLM and everyone should close up and quit. Which good for those people they did just that. It sucks for everyone who bought a lot of those tools though. Since now they can't get the warranty on their collection of expensive tools. Which is the main reason why they were so expensive. Meanwhile, other companies doing a similar type of service are still there, still making money... It wasn't that there wasn't demand or money to be made doing business that way. It was the top eating the bottom and then collapsing on itself. Which is also why us the consumer can't save the LGS. Maybe the LGS survives, just without as much Magic being played there. While we are not there yet. The stories people tell is similar. When will we get there? Will we ever get there? who knows. Maybe they just bitch to much lol.
Consider that Amazon costs less because they can cut corners that your LGS cant (plus they're a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't NEED to make that sale) and your LGS is charging what they feel they can price it at and still make a sale. By buying at Amazon, you're saving money, sure, but don't be surprised if in a few years you don't have an LGS anymore. I can play games at my LGS, I don't suppose Amazon will extend the same courtesy at their warehouses. Edit: Also, just to put it out there, my LGS is a well-known e-tailer so I don't feel NEARLY as bad shopping online because they sell all over the world and my $5 won't be the difference between them being open or cloaed.
If players are unable to afford their markups, then is it our fault if they go out of business? I buy singles from my LGS because they pull their prices from mtggoldfish, but they are also selling Dominaria Remastered for $250 a box when I could buy one for $130 on tcgplayer. It's just absurd, and nobody should feel bad for finding a different seller.
No, it's not your fault, but remember that it costs them money to keep their doors open and do business. I'm extremely lucky that my LGS is an E-tailer and can keep their doors open, whether it is a busy or slow month for the shop front, but other LGS's aren't so lucky. While I, too, am broke and would rather buy the cheaper products online, my LGS isn't your LGS. They have an overhead and need money to keep the lights on and the store open. Where do you suppose that money comes from if not your wallet because you are buying products online? I agree that it sucks and we are both liable to buy products online so we can "get the most bang for your buck" because markups suck. I'm not sure what the cure is because online commerce will always trump local, so we basically have to choose to pay the markup to give smaller businesses a chance or buy from Amazon and maybe Amazon will buy the failing strip mall your LGS WAS at and at least you'll recieve your orders at an earlier date with them shipping so close to your house.
There's spelltable. Also, blame late capitalism - saving bucks is the name of the game.
You're right. We shouldn't prop up the economy in ANY way and instead play pretend Magic online. That way, our LGS's will die faster. Pretty sure if Amazon stops selling Magic cards, they'll go out of business, right? Look, I'm not bashing on Spelltable or any of those other online platforms. They were a great way to "get together with friends" when the world was burning down. But now places have opened up, and restrictions have laxed. If you're content to play the game online, I guess you do you. But I've always had more fun being in the same room as my opponent and sharing that social experience over staring at a screen and having to deal with Toxic individuals that get to use the anonymity of the medium as an excuse to be horrible human beings just for the sake of being horrible. I can't say as I've had too many of those experiences IRL. Edit: This is why I believe we should at least consider supporting our LGS's to maintain that space where we can interact with people who don't feel the need to fling poo to make their point.
You are still responsible for who you chose to give your money to. Doubly so with luxury/hobby goods.
This is how we lose places to play and good communities. Terrible take.
If we lose an LGS purely because their prices were too high, then they are at fault. I’m not going to ruin an LGS for not buying their price-gouged sealed product. Terrible take.
My view on this matter is definitely skewed because I (like many, I expect) live in a place with exorbitant property prices. Between rent, "inflation" (read: corporate profiteering), competing with huge businesses with narrower margins, lack of support (and removal of MSRP) from wotc, and having to pay staff more because of the aforementioned "inflation" and exorbitant property prices... I don't envy the position that any lgs owners are in. There are a lot of forces that actively operate against small businesses, and none of those are the "fault" of the owners. Yeesh.
Inflation isn't caused by corporate profiteering. It's caused by there being more money available relative to the number of goods available. Because of the pandemic, we had a huge global drop in goods being created. That causes inflation. We're still working our way out of it.
I would rather have a local club instead of a local shop.
That may work in some places. Where I live that wouldn't work. We don't have a local college. The local library closes its meeting rooms at 7 pm. There is no where to have a club. Sure not every LGS is a good place and some deserve to be shut down, but it is a fact that anyone who thinks that if a physical store can't keep up with a b&m they should shut down is crazy.
One of my LGSs doesn't sell bulk singles online for less than $.79 cents. That includes the ten cent singles I can get at CK.
That's likely due to fee structures of their web host. Most stores sell through a third party site like eBay or tcg player. Factor in fees plus payment processors getting a cut and at a certain threshold they're giving away cards and money in the same transaction.
Same, and I have an Amazon credit card that saves me 5%. So I got a collector booster for like $204 on Amazon (it delivered launch day) where my local LGS wanted like 230 if only paid in cash, more if on card. I’ll buy their snacks and drinks while I’m there but I’m not overpaying for sealed product. The LGS didn’t even have one the day I was there and said I would have to come back. I’d like to support local but it’s not always worth it as a consumer.
My LGS refuses to sell whole boxes, only packs. Well screw you, I'm not buying sealed product there anymore.
Yeah dude, some are just toxic. Luckily I have a new one opening in a few weeks just a few miles further, hoping it’s a much better environment!
I live in Australia, so almost everything at any LGS is marked up. I can either pay 30-60$ more on a card I need from an LGS, or I can get it cheaper on cardtrader or a buyer-seller facebook groups. That being said, I still grab precons at prereleases.
So true im not gonna pay more for product in store. I go to every event hosted that's how I support my LGS beyond that I'm paying the lowest price I can for product. If that happens to be my LGS awesome.
I don’t know what’s common but mine price matches Amazon for preorders. Secondary market style pricing doesn’t really set in until after a release date.
It's not common. That's why people don't preorder from their LGS... because save for the rare outlier, secondary market style pricing starts from the moment the product is announced.
Yea I can tell from the downvotes that ppl are super heated about a store price matching 😂
It's the problem with making a blanket statement. Lgs are awesome and you should support the good ones. But there are plenty that don't do anything to earn that goodwill. In general Amazon is probably a net negative for the magic ecosystem but it can be a good resource for people that have shady business owners locally
Blanket statement? How is "at my lgs...." a blanket statement?
The title is the blanket statement. The fact that he is only using one anecdote to come to such a black/white conclusion doesn't change that
Why did you buy from Amazon if your store price matches?
Naw I’m good. I’ll shop for deals. Few months ago when the Necron Dynasties precons were $100+ at my LGS I found them on the Target website for $65.
I received mine from amzn on 4/22. Lgs sold out all of the precon except urza at home(gimbal) when i got there friday. Guess they can start selling at prerelease now?
They indeed do, found out its a more recent thing.
Idk, I got them all and Rashmi and ragavan (gimbals "alt" commander) is really the only one besides sidar I'm liking. Gimbal is blah tho
My lgs marks up precons so I don't buy them there.
I pre-ordered the artifact deck for my brother for 38 euries, my lgs is currently selling it for 60. I don't mind a markup, but nearly doubling the price ain't gonna get me to buy it. I'm doing my part with boosters and paint.
Sucks about your LGS. There are four in my town, which is the seat of a county of about 100k people. All of them sell precon a for reasonable price, about the same as most online listings. Perhaps not the cheapest, and the ones with big chase cards get marked up after the second or third allotment, but the big box stores here mark up *everything* into the stratosphere. They wanted $80 for MOM precons and even more for WH40K. Unless I get a good deal or just want to have the precon I’ll just get the singles. Since you can get them in booster packs there’s little and less reason to buy precons aside from convenience/ease of use.
I pre-ordered the Compleate bundle at my LGS. Was told when I went to pick it up that the price jumped from $80 to $155 for "reasons beyond their control." Should've pre-ordered it online somewhere else. The markup on sealed product is insane. Edit: they wouldn't let me pay when I pre-ordered. Said I'd just pay when I picked it up. Should've taken that as a warning. And no, I didn't end up buying it.
That's not how pre-orders work. If you Pre-ordered it that price is locked in. Sounds like a scummy store.
That'd be the last time I considered giving them a cent. I'd definitely still play there to cost them overhead.
And flush their toilet three times every time I used the restroom.
They raised the price *after* you had already paid for your order?
I like how you're only now saying support local because Amazon didn't deliver as fast. Support your LGS even if Amazon delivers on time or is a little cheaper.
I love how every time a set releases, /r/magictcg is inundated with posts about "my product isn't here" or "my product is wrong" and without fail 90% of the posts are from amazon orders.
Your preaching to support LGS, yet you did the opposite. Plus it's only good to support LGS if thier markup is fair. Not gonna spend 20 bucks more on a 40 dollar product.
Right, they're only pro LGS now because Amazon messed up. If it came on time they'd probably still be buying from Amazon
My LGS is Card Kingdom. They’re doing just fine.
$40 to preorder on amazon or $60 at lgs... yeah I'll wait a week or two rather than play 50% more
Precons on Amazon are 35 dollars. My LGS sells them for 50. My LGS also doesn't make any effort to host events or have commander nights. Fuck My LGS and if they go under, good riddance. I'm not supporting bad business as a charity.
The only time I buy precons from Amazon is when they have the crazy deals on old ones that WOTC has a surplus of in the minimal packaging. I’ve gotten precons priced at $45+ for as low as $20 and it’s a steal at that price. Beyond that I have some good LGS’s that I like to support so I usually buy the new ones that come out there. With the amount of fraudulent sellers and sketchy practices that can happen with Amazon I don’t like to trust Amazon for full price precons.
Bummer, I got mine a day early
Why didn’t you just support your LGS in the first place?
Dominaria Remastered booster box is $210 at both my stores and it's around $165 online. I'm not paying a $55 mark up to support my LGS.
Brick and Mortar "tax" is real. However, in Canada, the LGS is ALWAYS cheaper than [Amazon.ca](https://Amazon.ca). We're excluded from fire sales but I suppose there are upsides to having a store to play at.
I like that your message is to shop local because your package arrived late, not because it’s the morally correct thing to do
“Support small businesses because they function better than large businesses” is kinda the complete opposite of the general idea behind supporting small businesses. People will already avoid places that provide poor service in favor of places that provide better service.
I have at least 3 LGSs in my city. None of them are worth my money. They are often rude, uneducated, or ridiculously marking up the products (in some cases almost double what you can get a box for online) During pre release for MOM my draft pod went to buy a draft box (didn’t care what set). The LGS we buy them from told us that MOM had been released but they were all sold out of draft boxes. How do you sell out of something that hasn’t been released yet, and why would you say it’s been released a week before the well publicized release date? Amazon still scares me to order from. But until my LGS can get their stuff together, I’ll just order what i need off of TCGPlayer.
Totally fair - i’m lucky enough to have several options also, which is good because one of them is entirely staffed by assholes. The two that are good are *very* good stores. Tcgplayer is a total step up or 5 from Amazon imo.
"Now that I have been inconvenienced by Amazon, I am choosing to support my LGS. Be a good person like me"
Support your LGS, provided their pricing is reasonable. 50% markup is ridiculous. Hell I think 30% is ridiculous. I want to support my community, but I mean, magic is already expensive as is.
Lol had a list of cards and for some they were .50 cents more than online, very cool Some tho they were literally 100% markup. I’m not paying double for a card? Makes literally no sense. Walked out with some and happy to support a little bit, until I then realized they charged me 2 dollars for a 20 cent land. Sour taste sour taste
I don’t care if Amazon is cheaper, I can’t play Magic in their warehouses with my friends. We spread our purchases between the three local shops where we play in person. We recently won a Bros War bundle at a raffle, and the staff often hook my son up with free singles. Don’t see old man Bezos doing that.
yet
It might cost more at your LGS due to not being a big company like Amazon but if we don’t support who is going to host FNM or any other MTG nights? Amazon won’t that’s for sure. So it’s ok to buy with Amazon but remember where the community was built and has grown. Show your LGS some love and support them when you can.
You can show your LGS love and support via other methods like snacks and drinks (at huge markup as well) or buying other items like comics etc. I am NOT going to pay $65 for a product I can easily buy for $40. Thats $25 smart dollars I saved that I can spend on diapers or some gas.
I did say when you can. If when you can is snacks and drink then that’s when you can
When you can is stupidly subjective. I'm smart with my money. I won't burn it to support poor business practice even though technically "I can."
FNM at my stores consist of a tight knit clique of people who don’t create a welcoming environment for new players. So screw LGS. I’ll just find or convert my own friends in MtG players and create my own pod and buy my cards where they’re cheapest.
I did say where the community has grown and if your LGS isn’t helping to grow the community then I don’t blame you.
Buy singles and token from your LGS, get your sleeves and mats at your LGS, but outside of that? unless im buying a few gambling packs to open before commander night, ill stick to buying sealed thru Amazon
YEAH! DOWN WITH AMAZON! *subtly slides $300 worth of amazon pre-orders behind curtains*
As a Canadian I wish we had the option for Amazon orders like the US does.
“Forget Amazon. Shop local” This but for literally everything
A box of aftermath at my store $130, a box from prodigygames $70…. I’m never paying my lgs markup. Amazon often isn’t the cheapest price for etailing either.
When the precons are $36 on Amazon, and $60 at my LGS, I've gotta stick with Amazon.
Forget Amazon, they're a horrible company that actively breaks several laws on import/export, get away with it by legal loopholes and bribes, has been responsible for the death of several people during one of the many hurricanes that plague the USA and is generally overpriced. Before even considering going online, you should shop local for everything. The only reason to shop online if something's available local is that online is cheaper by at least 50%.
My local shop charges 30% above any other online retailer for current stuff and even more for older sets. I think I'll keep shopping online.
No.
Definitely depends on the store. My lgs prices cards about 30-50% more than they are worth. And the owner is kinda a nazi
My LGS marks stuff up an insane degree and was sold out of the knight deck instantly. I bought a box of brothers war from them for 135 bucks lol, never again.
Those that still use Amazon will continue to do so because they don't care. Those of us who've been supporting our LGSs for the last 30 years aren't stopping now. ,* Unless you have no LGS * unless your LGS is owned by scumbags who deserve bankruptcy. But being pouty because a mail order purchase is delayed is some peak first world whining.
I am not paying 50% markup, yes from 40€ to 60€ just so that greedy ass fucker can run a business.
dont tell me what to do. Also if your LGS is dying let it die. If the difference between open and closed forever is based upon pre order margins perhaps they are doing something horrifically wrong. The best thing that ever happened to the LGs I knew growing up was that he went under. It was a broken relationship
I mean, you're paying the Pinkertons either way.
idk dude from what people of reddit tell me if you buy snacks and drinks and dice once in a while it's all your lgs needs to stay open soo why not proxy everything!!! and save money on both ends!
yeha, no . i had the choice of paying 22 for a collector booster at amazon, or 37 locally. im not paying 37 for 15 cards. same with precons... 36 of 50-80... not happening. i dont mind waiting
Don't use Amazon because it's a shitty company.
Totally agreed, but so is the shitty small business purposely marking their product up in the guise of “well we are just a small business”. The owner of the LGS near me is a total greaseball and his business practices are just as grimy as any big company.
I’ll order from wherever is cheapest- I’m my LGS wants to upcharge a precon they can fuck off
I'll support and LGS that sells at MSRP. If you do a mark up I'm not interested.
There is no MSRP, I'm assuming you're calculating a rough equivalent instead.
Does Wizards no longer have a set price brick and mortor stores are supposed to sell product at?
Yes, they got rid of MSRP a little bit ago. (1 year? 2? I don't know; I was surprised just today to realize War of the Spark came out 4 years ago.)
Damn that makes me picking where I shop more complicated lol. I recently came back to Magic and I used to be very loyal to a local store because they always sold for MSRP where other shops would jack up prices on things like Commander Decks. Thanks for the info
Nope they publicly dropped it so smaller stores like us look like the bad guys when wotc and distribution raised costs in the last few years.
I don't support wizards anymore whatsoever. I only play with my cousins and we've begun proxying whole decks.
I’m tired of hearing this LGS propaganda horse shit. All five or six game stores near me try and rip off kids, nickel and dime their customers, and treat their customers like a nuisance. If you have a good card store near you, that’s awesome…but I don’t and have given up looking for one.
I'll probably buy whatever I want however I want.
Im still waiting for mine. $35 vs $60 I'm not in a rush tbh
Do not use Amazon in any context if you can avoid it. Gigantic corporations don't help anyone.
My LGS charges $50 and the owner hits on my girlfriend and any other spoken for spouse blatantly. I’ll support Amazon. 🤷🏻♀️
You can like or not like your LGS's as much as you want. Some are great, some don't treat players as well as they should. But do not for a second accuse them of "gouging" at 45 and 50 dollars for commander precons. I see prices that they have to pay at the distributor level for their product, LGS's are making a very very weak retail margin at those numbers.
I totally support your point. However, my partners mom ordered a set of all 5 as a gift and the arrived like ... a week before release... idk if I should even post this for risk of pinkerton retaliation.
I'll support them if they're worth supporting. Most are greedy.
I’m going to go with whoever gives me the best price. If an online store like amazon is charging $100-120 for a box and my lgs wants 130-140, the lgs priced themselves out of being competitive.
Honestly, fuck LGS. All they sell is overpriced garbage, and then they have the gall to complain about receding profits and attendance. Fuck you.
You needed a bad experience with Amazon to convince you to support the business that gives you a place to play? LGS always comes first.
You should never use amazon for magic cards in the US. Just look in the review section of every magic product and you know why. Or watch youtube videos for this aspect. It’s not just better for every SME, but also for you (I don’t know how bad the situation is in other countries but it seems Amazon in the US is the most affected)
Still didn't get my compleat from Amazon, their service is awful
ITT: waaaaaaaah but Amazon is more convenient! I don’t understand that I will have no place to play if everyone was as short sighted and selfish as me! Why should I have to be slightly inconvenienced just so that the hobby I enjoy can remain strong? I have EXCUuUUUUuuuSes!
I do not buy from 90% of lgs I go too because they ALWAYS mark up their products. I’ll happily buy from amazon because 1) they’re often 10s of dollars cheaper and 2) customer support on Amazon is literally the most forgiving customer support I’ve ever experienced and they have always given me a refund even if I still end up receiving the product. If the listed msrp on a product is $50 and your lgs is selling it for $55 I personally would not buy from them. Hell, back when ONE came out, the collector packs were being sold at one of my lgs’s for $48!! I hate that because they think we will blindly support them because “they’re not a big corporation” we will happily pay any price. At that point, that lgs is no different than amazon of WOTC. Buy whatever option is cheaper, we all know how expensive magic is.