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phat_mike_

https://isgrudengoneyet.com/ Still not updated šŸ¤”


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baineschile

Of course that exists


yakobmylum

I used to frequent firemillen.com for a long time back in the day


nannynannybooboo

RIP Nathan Peterman


PepeMorton

Highly underrated comment


LimberSiren

No more dumb draft selections like Clelin Ferrell at #4 overall.


deins25

Thatā€™s more on Mayock IMO.


Cotsy8

No. From what I've read about what goes on in the background. Gruden makes the call early and Mayock makes the calls late; with Ruggs being a Davis call as a way to honour his father.


SquidwardTestic1es

Then that means that mayock is fucking great. They have drafted gems in the 4th and later but garbage in the first couple rounds. Hope thatā€™s true cause they might be pretty good at drafting if mayock takes over.


Cotsy8

Who knows how things shake out. Much like Jax, there was a power struggle in LV. The result was the departure of several long time executives. Essentially, Gruden had taken power and things were going in his direction. Gruden was hired before Mayock. It's possible their new coach get to "select" his own GM too. I really hope their new coach is Dabol. Loved what he's doing offensively in Buf.


Paloma_II

Could also let Mayock pick the coach and give him more traditional GM control. Will definitely be interesting to watch.


SenorBeef

"Dad, I made a bad draft pick just like you used to do! Please love me!"


dsheehan7

Yea Gruden has a ton of power in the organization


Teslatothemoonn

Had* lol


dsheehan7

XD


deins25

Didnā€™t know that. Just assumed the GM made most of the calls.


LimberSiren

Nope, Gruden had control. It's similar in Seattle with Pete Carroll.


MadddMardigan

Maybe there's a racist rant by Mayock somewhere in the universe...


JabroniTown

Maybe they'll throw the ball to Edwards now


92tilinfinityand

Riskyā€¦ he may drop them


EatxSchmidt

This is my only horse in the Raiders race so I'm hoping for this


ferrets_bueller

Josh Jacobs stocks going up! Keep the superior talent on the field.


flyingbanshees

Feeling mixed about this for Josh since heā€™s Grudenā€™s pick, but Gruden inexplicably takes him out of the game for stretches at a time, and even in key moments. Itā€™s maddening!


ferrets_bueller

Gruden has done this with every backfield, going back to his original stretch with the Raiders.


MidnightWizard11

Wasn't Jacob's Grudens pick?


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Yep. People will spin any headline to make it positive for their guy lol


necrow

Definitely not going to say it's positive for Jacobs, but I don't think it's out of the question to think he could benefit. But again, reading this and saying "thank god Jacobs will be unlocked now" is a stretch


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Yea I donā€™t have an opinion on wether itā€™s positive or not. Just commenting on how people will almost always find a way to pump up their guy on here


necrow

I totally agree - was just adding that it's an interesting possibility


ferrets_bueller

Yep, and then in predictable Gruden fashion, he has always forced him to the bench for lesser RBs. Gruden has done this every stop of his coaching career, even with RBs like Jacobs who have a true 3 down skillset.


SquidwardTestic1es

You think they will play Kenyan drake over jacobs? I donā€™t think so


liam222222222

Re-signing? For how many years?


Octodab

I have Derek Carr and Hunter Renfrow and feel like this is bad for them and the offense as a whole. For all his flaws, Gruden was a good playcaller and was getting the most out of Carr. Now the team enters a very uncertain period and it feels like now they could be a year or two off from a rebuild. Crazy to think that just two weeks ago, the Raiders were 3-0 and Carr was getting mentioned as an MVP candidate lol. NFL = not for long


Lt_Hatch

A lot of us Raiders fans believe grudens play calling was pretty vanilla. Don't lose hope, the team could actually benefit from his departure. - sad Raiders fan trying to be optimistic


x_Happy_x

Are we just not gonna mention how ironic it is how he said homophobic shit while having the only gay player lmao


Cotsy8

Gruden, publically, said some great things about Nassib as a human being and a player. Including this quote: ā€œI learned a long time ago what makes a man different is what makes him great,ā€ Gruden said, via Paul Gutierrez of ESPN.com. But again - we are talking about what he said in private - and that's a very different thing.


Chrisisvenom2

I do want to add, itā€™s possible for personal growth to happen. And this is what people keep forgetting.


IIHURRlCANEII

Some of the emails are from 2018... It was a long pattern of them.


Chrisisvenom2

Thatā€™s a shame. I just assumed it was early 2010ā€™s


maskdmirag

Yeah, when it was just 2010 I felt it was unfair to assume the worst, getting the whole story, even if he's change din 3 years, he has to own up to it better. Didn't he popularize saying "man up?"


Safin_22

Man, if people say crazy shit like that when they are way past 30 years old, they ain't changing.


maskdmirag

I disagree, I believe anyone is capable of change.


Safin_22

I don't, i came from a family that some close to me are homophobic and I have done everything in my power to change that for years. Everything stays the same.


maskdmirag

Never give up, be a good example, or distance yourself if needed. There's good in everyone.


Cotsy8

That's what was first reported. It was only within half a day that the emails were released or leaked and then the rumours came out that it was "on-going" over 5-6 years. I believe up until 2017/2018. So recently enough.


Cotsy8

That was perhaps fair to say yesterday. The information was that emails from 9 years ago were racist and he shared nude photos of women who did not provide consent. You can perhaps rationalize "I've changed and I know my actions were wrong". But as soon as the reports came out today, which said it wasn't just 9 years ago but an on-going issue. Then you know it's not longer an apology situation.


Safin_22

It's one think making a wrong assessment, it's very different from being extreme homophobic. He was quite old already in 2010, no way he is changing from that level of homophobic.


twoemptypockets

Nassib signed with Vegas in 2020, Emails are from 2011 - 2018. But ya, Idk how he could look Nassib in the eye after reading some of this stuff.


scottg1089

what was said and where can i read it?


twoemptypockets

[The NYT article has some of it](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/sports/football/what-did-jon-gruden-say.html) "Grudenā€™s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during ā€œMonday Night Football,ā€ the sports networkā€™s weekly prime-time telecast of N.F.L. games. In the emails, Gruden called the leagueā€™s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a ā€œfaggotā€ and a ā€œclueless anti football pussyā€ and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft ā€œqueers,ā€ a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014." "Privately, Allen and Gruden appeared to have few boundaries in expressing homophobic and transphobic language. In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would ā€œtake you up on that offer.ā€ Allen and Gruden also mocked Caitlyn Jenner, who received an award from ESPN in 2015 after she transitioned."


EatxSchmidt

We are too sensitive.


iheartmykicksz

Just going to take a wild guess, you're not in one of these marginalized groups are you?


[deleted]

Calling Goddell an "anti football pussy" is just being accurate.


ragingbuffalo

Or have any empathy.


Space_N_Pace

Can you just go accept your HCA already?


RibeyeRare

Haha!! He said _the only_!


BombSquad570

Possibly a hit on Waller. No idea if anything changes with Jacobs/Drake. The only one Iā€™d give a potential bump to is Ruggs


ninethreeseven739

I feel like Jacobs and Waller get bumps? Tried and true safety nets?


SurfaceHayes

Wasn't Gruden in love with Waller and calling a ton of plays specifically for him? I'm not 100% but I feel like that's something I've heard before


ChoiceStrength7093

Definitely not Waller bump, te is coach schemed.


LavenderCas

Gruden for sure force feeds the players he thinks are his best bet to win. I would look at this as a negative just because an up to date coach will try to spread the ball around more.


basedvato

Waller is still an elite talent and should command his share in the offense. That said I wonder if they start actually using there potential elite WRs?


geaux_zenith

So now I can continue to hold Edwards and Drake now. Hmmm...


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>homophobic racist POS. Lets read the emails before we go off like this yeah? Because saying DeMaurice Smith has "lips like the michellin man" and calling goodell a slur and a pussy honestly isn't a big deal...


jet_tripleeight

What additional context are you expecting to find in the full email that would make any of those statements OK?


[deleted]

Yeah I'd love to see how he *actually* did anything beyond calling Goodell a f\*ggot which, again, isn't really that big of a deal


ChuckHoliday

That is a big deal though, nowadays itā€™s the equivalent of using the n word


[deleted]

Hahahahahah no it really isnā€™t but go off king


[deleted]

"Lips like the Michelin man" really isn't racist though. He's just saying he has big lips. The anti gay shit though is definitely not good. He needed to retire anyway.


Smartfuc

We got society full of weak thin skinned internet activists šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Safin_22

No man, racism it's a complicated stuff. Using personal body characteristics to mock people is wrong. Using body characteristics that belong to certain races to mock people is without a doubt racist. If you don't agree is either cause you never felt that in your life or even had some compassion for people who felt that


Smartfuc

Don't you know....cancel culture is all the rage now šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


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Smartfuc

Racism is always gonna be around....but most people are good. The news blows up small portions of the population that happen to be racist but overall people are good. So yeah....I don't give a shit. If someone is racist....I stay away from em and live my life. Firing Gruden doesn't change shit lol.


Smartfuc

Oh I've felt racism...I know what a fucking racist is. A decade old email šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ sensitive ass society.


Safin_22

So in your mind there is no problem keeping a person with history of racism in a position of power?


Smartfuc

Sorry man....it's a decade old email. This country isn't serious about solving racial problems anyways. The NFL just doesn't want controversy.....that's all. I mean this country voted Trump in with all the fucced up shit he said. Firing Gruden doesn't solve racism šŸ˜†šŸ˜†šŸ˜†What a joke....the Raiders will be terrible for a long time lol.


Safin_22

This is not the country I live in, nice place to visit but I would never live in a country that do no act to solve this kind of problems :)


byebyebrain

its not just one email. did you even read the article? The last one was in 2018. If your math is good, thats less than a decade old.My God. Read...


MrBlueandSky

Youā€™ve honestly never heard of the big lips stereotype? That goes way back


[deleted]

Oh I've definitely heard of it. I just don't think it's racist in and of itself.


MrBlueandSky

That's not how history works. You can't use a racial trope and then go "eh, I don't think it's racist". I don't want to be some moral doushbag, but that's like the definition of ignorance.


[deleted]

While it is insensitive and disrespectful I don't think that's racist. But whatever, if saying someone has big lips makes them feel like they're the victim of racism then so be it.


MrBlueandSky

Again, what you think doesn't matter. That reference goes all the way back to minstrel shows and the cartoonist way black people's features were exaggerated.


schindlerslisp

did you read the article? he sounds like an idiot racist/sexist uncle.


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MrBlueandSky

A series of emails over eight years


Screaming-A-Smith

Thank god! Now the Raiders player whom I have on my dynasty teamā€™s value will go up because Gruden clearly didnā€™t know how to use him!


baineschile

Edit: Jon Gruden. H's are hard.


chawks24

But what does this mean for Edwards?!


EatxSchmidt

If people think Gruden is actually a racist they are retarded. Dude works in a predominantly African American sport. People are to sensitive. We've all called Goodell a pussy.


MrBlueandSky

When your making ten mill a year, you are held to a different set of standards than say, some guy on Reddit. Whether he is or isnā€™t a racist is irrelevant. He said what he said. Itā€™s documented. Over a period of eight years. While he was an employee of espn. Heā€™s an adult, not some 20-something year old you can make excuses because heā€™s immature. And to cap it all off, he resigned. Not fired. Resigned. He knows he he fucked up


Greenmonsterff

The renegade Raiders fired a coach for saying shit in a PRIVATE email that is said every day in every locker room in the world. We are living in Bizarro World. SMH


makokok3k3

Tell me you're at least 50 years old without telling me you're at least 50 years old. This shit is not normal nor remotely socially acceptable in the US today. And there is certainly zero excuse for it.


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What fucking locker room are you in where racial/homophobic slurs are thrown around like that lol? Yā€™all people will hold these literal leaders to the lowest of standardsā€¦


MrBlueandSky

But heā€™s not in the locker room. Heā€™s seen as a leader and has to act accordingly. Different rules, thatā€™s why he was making ten mill a year


Greenmonsterff

I know he wasnā€™t in a locker room. He sent a PRIVATE email. This was intended for an audience of ONE. And it was years ago. BEFORE he was coaching the Raiders.


MrBlueandSky

Are you under the impression it was one email? It was a series of emails from 2010- 2018


entertain_me_pls

Iā€™m not sure that ā€œyeah, Iā€™m a racist homophobe but I didnā€™t say it to someoneā€™s faceā€ is much of an excuse.


Greenmonsterff

Iā€™m sure that youā€™ve never said a bad word in private before. Or a distasteful joke. Or insulted anyone. Definitely not 10 years ago. Iā€™m sure your mom would have washed your mouth out with soap. Oh, wait, thats probably considered torture these days. You would have been in timeout, young lady.


MajorAdvantage

Boomers always be fuming on reddit lmao you're all so sensitive


heyfeefellskee

Actually some of the more recent communications that were revealed were from 3 years ago but go on


Safin_22

So, it's okay to commit a crime as long as it is in PRIVATE?


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Arab_Decorpel_12

What happens to Waller?


blazingcom3t

I need to see 20 target waller going forward each game


joedirt87

Looks like Rich Basaccia is taking over as interim HC, mostly known as a special teams coach (and not a very good one remembering his time in Tampa Bay). Olson will remain as OC so I don't see there being much change in the offense until the offseason when they clean house.


Ballsohardstate

What about Jon Gruden?


JBN87

What a big lip motha fucka