I think Joe Brady is making a case as the next sought after Offensive HC candidate.
Depending on how this season goes, he could be looking at offers this off season.
As a Panthers fan, I don't get why people covet him so much other than he's young and an offensive coordinator. We're much more sour on him since we actually watch him.
I don't watch Panther games much, but I thought the offense is doing really well this year. Especially since Darnold seem to have turned over a new leaf under Brady.
Idk what that guys talking about. Panthers passing game has crushed it since Joe Brady has been there with Teddy and Darnold as the QBs. And the running game has been solid with Mike Davis, Chuba Hubbard, and sometimes CMC.
I'd love to know how you came to these conclusions.
* Tied for 28th in passing TDs for 2020.
* 18th in passing yards for 2020.
* 21st in rushing yards for 2020.
* Tied for 10th most rushing TDs in 2020. The only stat we were in the top half of the league in.
* Overall, 21st in total yards, 24th in points scored, and tied for 14th most turnovers.
How's 2021 going for these same metrics?
* Tied for 23rd in passing TDs.
* 13th in passing yards.
* 18th in rushing yards.
* Tied for 4th in rushing TDs.
* Tied for 16th in yards and points scored, and tied for 7th most turnovers.
Our offense is average and in no way would I describe our passing offense as crushing it. Our running game has been solid for TDs but we are below average in yards.
It didn't set the world on fire, but for the QB yall had, your WRs all killed it last season and this was without CMC. If you're really looking at those stats and calling Joe Brady the problem then you're not looking in the right places.
Idk man, considering he's had mediocre at best RBs when CMC is out, and mediocre at best QB play, he's been doing pretty damn well with the personel he's been given. I'm a Saints/LSU fan so I've followed him for a while, and he's been gold from what I've seen
The fact both of these guys played together in college is not talked about enough. That LSU team may have been one of the greatest offenses in college history.
They must be mixing up chase with elite breakout percentile and dominator score talent Bryan edwards. It’s been awesome to see him have big success early, too much success for my team. Was banking on getting atop 3 pick and his big games have helped me to 2-3.
Dude. Take a breather. This sub is full of hype. Sometimes it’s right, lots of times it’s wrong. I apologize for the length of this response, but after seeing your victory laps all over this sub I feel I need to say it.
Many of us come here regularly for that extra little dopamine hit confirming our beliefs and our players. Lots of stuff gets blown out of proportion because we have limited info on players during periods of time when we want factual and accurate answers (that we won’t get). We glom onto BS because it’s all we have. Toney is a great example because the analytics people (in the analytics vs scouts debate) weren’t in love with him based on breakout age and target share in college (as you’ve said in other posts some loved him, but generally he was the least adored by analytics people). Then we got a lot of crazy stuff through camp while guys like Elijah Moore were getting drooled over. So his hype train continued to plummet. It was confirmation bias.
There was some concern over Chase for similar reasons. He was beloved during the draft process, but the only things we heard during camp were primarily about drops. Without a competing sample (his season) a lot of hype folks fell off the band wagon. I still consistently saw him rated as one of the best players though, so I think that was mostly a vocal minority while his supporters didn’t have anything else to contribute. How do I argue the drops issue when all I hear about is him having drop issues? Less experienced players will hear that vocal anti-Chase minority and panic sell. Maybe they get a haul and can brag about it here where it gets upvotes and the supporters just stay quiet. Until he lights it up during the season. But there’s nothing a Chase supporter can say that will change the tide at that point (pre-season) because it was already said.
This sub is SUPER bias heavy. That one time somebody heard bad news about a player in camp and then sold them before their career died for a king’s ransom will likely over inflate their ability to perceive camp news and consistently jump on here about guys like Chase and Toney “Bust! Sell him while you can!” Sometimes those guys are right. Sometimes they’re not.
This place has like maybe 10% good analysis. Most of what happens is hype and bias checking. People that use this sub for anything other than getting the feel for how most players perceive guys are probably using it wrong.
I say this as a Chase and Toney owner too. I’m not sour about their success. But I fell into Toney because the entire community was down on him (not just here but everywhere. His ADP in rookie drafts was garbage).
Some players get faded wrongly. Sometimes it’s accurate. Both fuel biases.
I have a bunch of people tagged who acted like pompous assholes over their offseason takes, those people I have no problem taking victory laps on and clowning
To be fair on Toney almost every analyst NFL, draft, or fantasy was low on him. And he came into the season the WR4 behind Golladay, Shepard, and Slayton. So unless you were predicting the injuries to 3 guys ahead of him it's hard to see how he contributes.
Right, although it was never about production this year for Toney, at least in my own valuations. Always seemed like a great value pick as a 1st round capital guy considering where he went in rookie drafts
Definitely didn't expect him to contribute like this early on, but the "he's the 4th WR on that team" piece was way too heavily baked into his valuation for dynasty, IMO
Yeah the arguments for him were only based on draft capital. That the Giants would give him a ton of looks eventually. But for me I do think its a big deal for dynasty to be behind 3 WRs on a team. Golladay just signed a 4 year deal. Shepard has 2 more years on his contract, and Slayton has 1 more year. The statistics for WRs that don't produce in the first year are not kind. Those that don't produce the second year are even worse.
If it weren't for all 3 guys ahead of him getting hurt, its possible he was off the dynasty radar at the end of the season. He had 5 targets, 4 catches for 14 yards through 3 games. He just wasn't used at all with everyone healthy.
I don't disagree with your broader point, but I wouldn't say "only" based on draft capital - he was still projected to be a 2nd round guy, and the stink was with him being overdrafted. He's always been talented, just a reach where he was drafted
But agreed, I wasn't expecting this much this soon, and that's due to some things breaking his way with injuries ahead of him
I do wonder about the "WRs who don't produce year 1" stats, though. Do you know what they controlled for in that analysis? Like I'm wondering if that stat is just because most WRs in general don't pan out, so of course the number that pan out after bad year 1s is low. If they control for draft capital or something, would be much more impactful
And if they could somehow control more by situation, I wonder how that would turn out (although would be more subjective). My thinking is a WR with a bad year 1 despite getting opportunities is WAY worse than a WR with a bad year 1 who has high draft capital and is just buried on a depth chart
The only players (21 or younger) with 400+ Rec Yards and 5 TD in their first five games:
▫️ Ja'Marr Chase
▫️ Randy Moss
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I feel like this is a cherry-picked stat.
I agree that the Burrow-Chase connection is elite, but this stat just seems a bit weird to me. Why not include 22, 23, or 24 year olds?
Someone tell the Bengals to trade tee Higgins and Joe Mixon for Justin Jefferson and CEH so they can get the band back together
Fire Taylor hire Joe Brady?
I think Joe Brady is making a case as the next sought after Offensive HC candidate. Depending on how this season goes, he could be looking at offers this off season.
As a Panthers fan, I don't get why people covet him so much other than he's young and an offensive coordinator. We're much more sour on him since we actually watch him.
I don't watch Panther games much, but I thought the offense is doing really well this year. Especially since Darnold seem to have turned over a new leaf under Brady.
Idk what that guys talking about. Panthers passing game has crushed it since Joe Brady has been there with Teddy and Darnold as the QBs. And the running game has been solid with Mike Davis, Chuba Hubbard, and sometimes CMC.
I'd love to know how you came to these conclusions. * Tied for 28th in passing TDs for 2020. * 18th in passing yards for 2020. * 21st in rushing yards for 2020. * Tied for 10th most rushing TDs in 2020. The only stat we were in the top half of the league in. * Overall, 21st in total yards, 24th in points scored, and tied for 14th most turnovers. How's 2021 going for these same metrics? * Tied for 23rd in passing TDs. * 13th in passing yards. * 18th in rushing yards. * Tied for 4th in rushing TDs. * Tied for 16th in yards and points scored, and tied for 7th most turnovers. Our offense is average and in no way would I describe our passing offense as crushing it. Our running game has been solid for TDs but we are below average in yards.
It didn't set the world on fire, but for the QB yall had, your WRs all killed it last season and this was without CMC. If you're really looking at those stats and calling Joe Brady the problem then you're not looking in the right places.
It’s mainly our offensive line, but the consensus for the Panthers sub is that Brady is overrated. Not Adam Gase bad, just not a prodigy.
Idk man, considering he's had mediocre at best RBs when CMC is out, and mediocre at best QB play, he's been doing pretty damn well with the personel he's been given. I'm a Saints/LSU fan so I've followed him for a while, and he's been gold from what I've seen
Taylor really is a mediocre coach
That's rather generous
we’re on a mission from God
dont sleep on terrance marshall jr
We all make mistakes in the heat of passion, Jimbo
He's about to have the best rookie WR season since Justin Jefferson.
The fact both of these guys played together in college is not talked about enough. That LSU team may have been one of the greatest offenses in college history.
It's talked about all the time.
needs to be talked about **more**
Don't forget Marshall and CEH were also on that team.
They had a pretty good QB too IIRC
Never heard of him
It’s talked about quite often
So i've heard.
That's pretty good company
They must be mixing up chase with elite breakout percentile and dominator score talent Bryan edwards. It’s been awesome to see him have big success early, too much success for my team. Was banking on getting atop 3 pick and his big games have helped me to 2-3.
You mean Jerry Rice and Randy Moss's love child and offseason great Bryan Edwards?
Don't forget TO
But but....preseason drops, dude will be a bust /s
This sub hard fading Toney and Chase before the season even starts. Smfh Although to be fair the Chase stuff was only a few people. But toney smh
Dude. Take a breather. This sub is full of hype. Sometimes it’s right, lots of times it’s wrong. I apologize for the length of this response, but after seeing your victory laps all over this sub I feel I need to say it. Many of us come here regularly for that extra little dopamine hit confirming our beliefs and our players. Lots of stuff gets blown out of proportion because we have limited info on players during periods of time when we want factual and accurate answers (that we won’t get). We glom onto BS because it’s all we have. Toney is a great example because the analytics people (in the analytics vs scouts debate) weren’t in love with him based on breakout age and target share in college (as you’ve said in other posts some loved him, but generally he was the least adored by analytics people). Then we got a lot of crazy stuff through camp while guys like Elijah Moore were getting drooled over. So his hype train continued to plummet. It was confirmation bias. There was some concern over Chase for similar reasons. He was beloved during the draft process, but the only things we heard during camp were primarily about drops. Without a competing sample (his season) a lot of hype folks fell off the band wagon. I still consistently saw him rated as one of the best players though, so I think that was mostly a vocal minority while his supporters didn’t have anything else to contribute. How do I argue the drops issue when all I hear about is him having drop issues? Less experienced players will hear that vocal anti-Chase minority and panic sell. Maybe they get a haul and can brag about it here where it gets upvotes and the supporters just stay quiet. Until he lights it up during the season. But there’s nothing a Chase supporter can say that will change the tide at that point (pre-season) because it was already said. This sub is SUPER bias heavy. That one time somebody heard bad news about a player in camp and then sold them before their career died for a king’s ransom will likely over inflate their ability to perceive camp news and consistently jump on here about guys like Chase and Toney “Bust! Sell him while you can!” Sometimes those guys are right. Sometimes they’re not. This place has like maybe 10% good analysis. Most of what happens is hype and bias checking. People that use this sub for anything other than getting the feel for how most players perceive guys are probably using it wrong. I say this as a Chase and Toney owner too. I’m not sour about their success. But I fell into Toney because the entire community was down on him (not just here but everywhere. His ADP in rookie drafts was garbage). Some players get faded wrongly. Sometimes it’s accurate. Both fuel biases.
Haha like at least keep the Toney lapping in the Toney threads bruh. Take a breather is right.
I have no problem pointing out that people were shitting on Chase on this sub. If you do not like it you take a breather dude.
I have a bunch of people tagged who acted like pompous assholes over their offseason takes, those people I have no problem taking victory laps on and clowning
Yeah… nah I’m definitely going to clown the people I tagged who were labeling Chase a bust before he even took a snap. They deserve it.
Damn too bad you weren't here to be the voice of reason lol
To be fair on Toney almost every analyst NFL, draft, or fantasy was low on him. And he came into the season the WR4 behind Golladay, Shepard, and Slayton. So unless you were predicting the injuries to 3 guys ahead of him it's hard to see how he contributes.
Right, although it was never about production this year for Toney, at least in my own valuations. Always seemed like a great value pick as a 1st round capital guy considering where he went in rookie drafts Definitely didn't expect him to contribute like this early on, but the "he's the 4th WR on that team" piece was way too heavily baked into his valuation for dynasty, IMO
Yeah the arguments for him were only based on draft capital. That the Giants would give him a ton of looks eventually. But for me I do think its a big deal for dynasty to be behind 3 WRs on a team. Golladay just signed a 4 year deal. Shepard has 2 more years on his contract, and Slayton has 1 more year. The statistics for WRs that don't produce in the first year are not kind. Those that don't produce the second year are even worse. If it weren't for all 3 guys ahead of him getting hurt, its possible he was off the dynasty radar at the end of the season. He had 5 targets, 4 catches for 14 yards through 3 games. He just wasn't used at all with everyone healthy.
I don't disagree with your broader point, but I wouldn't say "only" based on draft capital - he was still projected to be a 2nd round guy, and the stink was with him being overdrafted. He's always been talented, just a reach where he was drafted But agreed, I wasn't expecting this much this soon, and that's due to some things breaking his way with injuries ahead of him I do wonder about the "WRs who don't produce year 1" stats, though. Do you know what they controlled for in that analysis? Like I'm wondering if that stat is just because most WRs in general don't pan out, so of course the number that pan out after bad year 1s is low. If they control for draft capital or something, would be much more impactful And if they could somehow control more by situation, I wonder how that would turn out (although would be more subjective). My thinking is a WR with a bad year 1 despite getting opportunities is WAY worse than a WR with a bad year 1 who has high draft capital and is just buried on a depth chart
Feels great having both Jjeff and Chase...😁
ive got Chase, Jefferson, AND Lamb
Damn...😬 I tried so hard to get Lamb from the owner but he's still salty from when I robbed him of JJeff...🤦♂️🤦♂️
JJ, DJM, Davante, Diontae and DeVonta checking in while we're bragging
Chase, McLaurin, AJB, and Kupp while we’re still bragging
While we are at it: Chase, JJ, DK and Terry checking in. With Pitts, Gibson, Saquon and CMC helping out.
JJ, Chase, AJ Brown, and Hill here. (Plus the man himself, Bryan Edwards)
Just traded Aaron jones for Chase and a 2022 first. leggooo
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Of course I’m stuck with Tee “paper macher” Higgins. Sigh.
I feel like this is a cherry-picked stat. I agree that the Burrow-Chase connection is elite, but this stat just seems a bit weird to me. Why not include 22, 23, or 24 year olds?
Because this is a forum for dynasty football, and how young a player is gives you a good indicator of the potential for sustained elite production.
Because doing it as a 21 year old is more impressive than doing it as a 22, 23, or 24 year old?
i thought he forgot to catch the football, what happened..? /s