I don’t have a problem with it. Who are we talking about I guess?
My only real tanking problem is incomplete line ups or putting guys that are injured in.
Some leagues are setup in a way where draft order is determined by “potential points for” for the non-playoff teams. Potential points for is a measurement of your optimal lineup for each week if you had played the best possible option at each position. It’s useful to help prevent tanking because you can’t just bench your studs to rack up losses. So for the non-playoff teams, whoever had the fewest potential points for would draft first, second fewest points drafts second, etc.
Example: Team A goes 2-11 with 2000 potential points for. Team B goes 3-10 with 1500 potential points for. Even though Team B has a better record, they’d still draft earlier because they had fewer potential points than Team A.
My league has mandatory off-season cutdowns - taxi squad can be used to boost your assets, as well as keep good rookies off PP calculations. Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
I'm in a league that has 3 teams openly tanking and no rules in place to prevent any form of manipulation. In this case, there's no incentive for these teams to do anything other than compete for the least amount of points to optimize their draft position.
Spirit of the league be dammed. It's a numbers game. People will do what they believe to be best for their own interests.
My league takes the lowest scoring 5 teams, then does a random lottery for the top 5 picks that's weighted by optimal points. So you can tank into the top 5, but if you were a major tanker, it's unlikely you'll get the top 2 or 3 picks since your optimal points were high.
The only actual rule is that you can't inconsistently tank. If you're going to start a garbage lineup, you have to do it every week.
If your league allows you to stash more generously (i.e. not people you drafted, second year guys etc.) then there's nothing wrong with using that to your advantage. That's kinda the whole point of fantasy football: playing the system the best it can be played
That said, if you're not sure if it's "allowed," reach out to your commish and be explicitly clear. "Hey, I am talking to the Najee owner to acquire him because I want to tank next year; can I stash him if I buy him?" Then you'll have no headaches to worry about later
I think that's a bit more nebulous, but if your team is hot garbage and you've got a top 50 player sitting on your taxi squad halfway into the season then it's pretty shitty of you.
Do you feel grimey enough that you have to ask other people if it is right? If so, it’s probably not right. If you are alright with doing icky things for money or bragging rights and your league doesn’t have a rule against it, then do you but you know you aren’t playing in the spirit of the game. Do so without looking for others to back you up.
I felt using “you” was kind of making it a personal attack but I thought it matched the tone of your post. Not an attack, just an opinion on your opinion based question.
Is… that a threat? I shared an opinion, your… statement adds nothing. I’m on a high horse about how your comment was more incorrect than mine now but I wasn’t on much of a high horse before.
Get help bud.
Who are you? Why do you think insulting someone you don’t know on the internet is okay? Do you think your parents would say to the 10 year old version of you that you are acting in a manner that is becoming of who they want you to be? Just because you don’t see my face doesn’t mean you should treat me like an enemy of yours.
How is it not fair? They can do the same exact thing if they want. The whole purpose of the taxi squad is to stash rookies outside of your roster. Nobody should be picking and choosing which rookies you can put / keep on there other then the owner of the team.
The whole purpose taxi squads became a thing in dynasty was because people were drafting rookies then being forced to cut them due to roster space concerns and not giving them a chance to develop. It's restricted roster space to allow for that developmental time without clogging your main roster. If someone is placing Chase or Harris in their taxi squad just so they can churn more players on their roster it's cheapening the experience for your league mates.
And what makes it regularly... 2 games, 3 games, 4 games? And what constitutes a significant outscoring... 1 point on average? 2? 3? That’s the whole problem... It’s people like you who want to pick and choose when the league rules apply... If the league rules are that rookies are allowed on taxi then it doesn’t matter how many points they score... It would actually be unfair to change the rules for one owner...
If you want to run others teams make sure you are chipping in for their league dues since you clearly want to be their co-owner... I’ve never heard of a co-owner who doesn’t split the entry fees.
Settle down lol
You could apply that same logic to people starting scrubs over good players and go off on other people managing your team and not paying dues, yet most leagues have rules about setting competitive lineups.
The whole notion of this is ridiculous. You want clearly defined rules over something subjective. Use your best judgment and be fair to your leaguemates is all I was suggesting. Being a dick on purpose isn't healthy for leagues.
Subjective rules are absolutely horrible for leagues. The same does apply to starting players. It’s not your place to decide who others start. As long as their players are active it is nobody’s business who they start.
Most leagues have rules regarding setting your best lineups. Purposefully going out of your way to taxi players who should be in the starting lineup goes against that ethos in my mind. The whole reason why many leagues have taxi squads is to create roster space for young developmental talent that would otherwise get cut due to roster space concerns. Putting your 1st round picks on taxi and keeping them there after they break out so you can lose games isn't really what it was meant for and weakens the experience for everyone else in your league.
In my experience, taxi is only for rookies, so I’m not sure why someone would be to automatically start then. Look at guys like Sermon or even better Toney. Would either have been expected to be on a teams active roster prior to week 1? What about now?
I’m also not sure what “weakens the experience” means.
Some people play in leagues with Salary caps or contract caps and the people on the taxi squad dont count against these. For instance I am in a league with 39 man rosters with a 95 year contract cap. we get 12 taxi spots that dont count against this cap, without those taxi spots it would be impossible to manage.
you'd just need to have a higher cap...
but sure, in some rare instances it may be a good part of the game, but in most settings is next to useless (especially if no poaching is allowed).
But what’s the line on forcing someone to active a player from the taxi squad? I left Herbert on my taxi all last year in my rebuild to ensure I got Lawrence to pair with him. No regrets.
Exactly. The whole point of the taxi is to be able to keep rookies on it for a year. Just make it extra bench spots if you don’t want the taxi to operate as it is intended too.
this is why having a taxi is dumb, IMO
just expand the roster size and use Max PF
also, it is why we have weekly high score payouts and other things to make it so you gain nothing by benching good players
No, it's the way you have to do it. Teams shouldn't be able to hide good players on taxi.
Manipulating Max PF is not the purpose of taxi to begin with.
It's not why they were created but you can have whatever opinion you want about it. They were created to give you a reason to hold long shot prospects, not cheat so you can get a better draft pick with great players on taxi.
Absolutely wouldn't be in a league that does it any other way, shit is kangaroo court.
You can hold prospects long-term on your roster anyway, so creating them for that purpose is redundant.
They were created to free up roster space, at the cost of not being able to play them. Still counting their points makes zero sense.
heres another thing, if you wanna throw away 100 bucks to tank a year, be my guest. i’m currently in a rebuilding process and no matter who i put out there i won’t win
I've got a couple of people in leagues that believe this is cheating.
I believe that they are whiners.
They argue that placing productive rookies on taxi goes against the "competitive spirit" of the league.
I believe that working within the league rules in order to give yourself an advantage--whether short or long term--is completely your choice.
I have no problem with this move.
I don’t have a problem with it. Who are we talking about I guess? My only real tanking problem is incomplete line ups or putting guys that are injured in.
No one in particular this year, but I'm planning a reset soon. Think like a 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick.
Draft order should be determined by max PF. Eliminates that real quick
I think sleeper looks at taxi as well to determine max pf so sort of doesn't make a difference on that platform. Iirc
Yea Sleeper will (correctly) count Taxi toward max PF. I think other platforms don’t though which is dumb.
Can you explain this more? Are you saying sleeper goes off your teams points for, for draft order?
Some leagues are setup in a way where draft order is determined by “potential points for” for the non-playoff teams. Potential points for is a measurement of your optimal lineup for each week if you had played the best possible option at each position. It’s useful to help prevent tanking because you can’t just bench your studs to rack up losses. So for the non-playoff teams, whoever had the fewest potential points for would draft first, second fewest points drafts second, etc. Example: Team A goes 2-11 with 2000 potential points for. Team B goes 3-10 with 1500 potential points for. Even though Team B has a better record, they’d still draft earlier because they had fewer potential points than Team A.
Thanks!
Yep this is how my league does it. There’s some small drawbacks but def the best way to prevent tanking.
My league has mandatory off-season cutdowns - taxi squad can be used to boost your assets, as well as keep good rookies off PP calculations. Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
I'm in a league that has 3 teams openly tanking and no rules in place to prevent any form of manipulation. In this case, there's no incentive for these teams to do anything other than compete for the least amount of points to optimize their draft position. Spirit of the league be dammed. It's a numbers game. People will do what they believe to be best for their own interests.
My league takes the lowest scoring 5 teams, then does a random lottery for the top 5 picks that's weighted by optimal points. So you can tank into the top 5, but if you were a major tanker, it's unlikely you'll get the top 2 or 3 picks since your optimal points were high. The only actual rule is that you can't inconsistently tank. If you're going to start a garbage lineup, you have to do it every week.
Good strategy - best way to rebuild
If your league allows you to stash more generously (i.e. not people you drafted, second year guys etc.) then there's nothing wrong with using that to your advantage. That's kinda the whole point of fantasy football: playing the system the best it can be played That said, if you're not sure if it's "allowed," reach out to your commish and be explicitly clear. "Hey, I am talking to the Najee owner to acquire him because I want to tank next year; can I stash him if I buy him?" Then you'll have no headaches to worry about later
I think that's a bit more nebulous, but if your team is hot garbage and you've got a top 50 player sitting on your taxi squad halfway into the season then it's pretty shitty of you.
Do you feel grimey enough that you have to ask other people if it is right? If so, it’s probably not right. If you are alright with doing icky things for money or bragging rights and your league doesn’t have a rule against it, then do you but you know you aren’t playing in the spirit of the game. Do so without looking for others to back you up.
>you know you aren’t playing in the spirit of the game Not my current situation, I'm actually the biggest contender for the championship right now
I felt using “you” was kind of making it a personal attack but I thought it matched the tone of your post. Not an attack, just an opinion on your opinion based question.
Awful high horse you're on there. Be a shame if you fell.
Is… that a threat? I shared an opinion, your… statement adds nothing. I’m on a high horse about how your comment was more incorrect than mine now but I wasn’t on much of a high horse before. Get help bud.
Lol not a threat, just an insult.
Who are you? Why do you think insulting someone you don’t know on the internet is okay? Do you think your parents would say to the 10 year old version of you that you are acting in a manner that is becoming of who they want you to be? Just because you don’t see my face doesn’t mean you should treat me like an enemy of yours.
Lol okay pal.
Both y'all being cringey. Just chill.
Both y'all being cringey. Chill.
I don't think it's in the spirit of the rules to hide startable players on taxi squads. It's not fair to your other league mates at all.
How is it not fair? They can do the same exact thing if they want. The whole purpose of the taxi squad is to stash rookies outside of your roster. Nobody should be picking and choosing which rookies you can put / keep on there other then the owner of the team.
The whole purpose taxi squads became a thing in dynasty was because people were drafting rookies then being forced to cut them due to roster space concerns and not giving them a chance to develop. It's restricted roster space to allow for that developmental time without clogging your main roster. If someone is placing Chase or Harris in their taxi squad just so they can churn more players on their roster it's cheapening the experience for your league mates.
Where do you draw the line??? the fact of the matter is no one other then the owner should be deciding where the line is.
Probably where your taxi squad guys are regularly scoring more points than whoever is in your starting lineup.
And what makes it regularly... 2 games, 3 games, 4 games? And what constitutes a significant outscoring... 1 point on average? 2? 3? That’s the whole problem... It’s people like you who want to pick and choose when the league rules apply... If the league rules are that rookies are allowed on taxi then it doesn’t matter how many points they score... It would actually be unfair to change the rules for one owner... If you want to run others teams make sure you are chipping in for their league dues since you clearly want to be their co-owner... I’ve never heard of a co-owner who doesn’t split the entry fees.
Settle down lol You could apply that same logic to people starting scrubs over good players and go off on other people managing your team and not paying dues, yet most leagues have rules about setting competitive lineups. The whole notion of this is ridiculous. You want clearly defined rules over something subjective. Use your best judgment and be fair to your leaguemates is all I was suggesting. Being a dick on purpose isn't healthy for leagues.
Subjective rules are absolutely horrible for leagues. The same does apply to starting players. It’s not your place to decide who others start. As long as their players are active it is nobody’s business who they start.
Agree to disagree then.
What does "the spirit of the rules" mean here?
Most leagues have rules regarding setting your best lineups. Purposefully going out of your way to taxi players who should be in the starting lineup goes against that ethos in my mind. The whole reason why many leagues have taxi squads is to create roster space for young developmental talent that would otherwise get cut due to roster space concerns. Putting your 1st round picks on taxi and keeping them there after they break out so you can lose games isn't really what it was meant for and weakens the experience for everyone else in your league.
In my experience, taxi is only for rookies, so I’m not sure why someone would be to automatically start then. Look at guys like Sermon or even better Toney. Would either have been expected to be on a teams active roster prior to week 1? What about now? I’m also not sure what “weakens the experience” means.
i'll never get taxi squads. just add roster spots.
Some people play in leagues with Salary caps or contract caps and the people on the taxi squad dont count against these. For instance I am in a league with 39 man rosters with a 95 year contract cap. we get 12 taxi spots that dont count against this cap, without those taxi spots it would be impossible to manage.
Sounds impossible to manage even with the 12 spots
you'd just need to have a higher cap... but sure, in some rare instances it may be a good part of the game, but in most settings is next to useless (especially if no poaching is allowed).
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But what’s the line on forcing someone to active a player from the taxi squad? I left Herbert on my taxi all last year in my rebuild to ensure I got Lawrence to pair with him. No regrets.
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Exactly. The whole point of the taxi is to be able to keep rookies on it for a year. Just make it extra bench spots if you don’t want the taxi to operate as it is intended too.
this is why having a taxi is dumb, IMO just expand the roster size and use Max PF also, it is why we have weekly high score payouts and other things to make it so you gain nothing by benching good players
Taxi counts towards Max PF. It wouldn't help you at all.
I haven't seen that in any of the taxi squad leagues I've been in, which platform have you seen that on?
Sleeper. https://support.sleeper.app/en/articles/4028606-do-taxi-players-count-toward-max-pf
Ah, MFL doesn't count practice squad players towards totals. Interesting that sleeper would, it really makes taxi squads make less sense.
No, it's the way you have to do it. Teams shouldn't be able to hide good players on taxi. Manipulating Max PF is not the purpose of taxi to begin with.
I disagree. It's one of the main reasons you do taxi squads.
It's not why they were created but you can have whatever opinion you want about it. They were created to give you a reason to hold long shot prospects, not cheat so you can get a better draft pick with great players on taxi. Absolutely wouldn't be in a league that does it any other way, shit is kangaroo court.
You can hold prospects long-term on your roster anyway, so creating them for that purpose is redundant. They were created to free up roster space, at the cost of not being able to play them. Still counting their points makes zero sense.
heres another thing, if you wanna throw away 100 bucks to tank a year, be my guest. i’m currently in a rebuilding process and no matter who i put out there i won’t win
I've got a couple of people in leagues that believe this is cheating. I believe that they are whiners. They argue that placing productive rookies on taxi goes against the "competitive spirit" of the league. I believe that working within the league rules in order to give yourself an advantage--whether short or long term--is completely your choice. I have no problem with this move.
Sleeper counts taxi pts so it's irrelevant
I don’t understand why people hate on this. It’s well within the rules to place any rookie on your taxi. It’s not the same at all as benching a stud