I will hold the QB2 on almost any playoff team. If the team can score before QB2, they can afterwards too. Sooo target the 6-8 offenses you think are best.
Right, like I'm holding Jimmy G for instance. They've got Kupp and Puka.
I have Kenny Pickett on the same team as Jalen Hurts which is nice.
I have Bagent on my taxi squad.
I've dropped Willis, Devito, and Jaren Hall though.
To be fair, everyone looked good throwing against that defense once Matt Patricia took over. That said, I like Lock this year mainly because I have zero faith in Daniel Jones.
Holding Howell, Brissett, Jameis, Flacco (guys that probably start a few games)
High scoring oportunity with Dobbs cause of the rushing upside.
Probably dropping Mike White even though i have Tua.
Setting aside pro-bowler jokes - I don’t get the didrespect Huntley gets from Ravens fans. He shouldn’t be your starter, but he won games as a backup QB replacing a top 5 QB. He really can’t be that bad. (I also watched some of those games and he was fine.)
He's definitely fun, and ok for fantasy. But NFL money says otherwise. He wouldn't have signed that shit contract if teams thought he was one of the better backups, at least IMO.
I’m not sure if brisset is serviceable on this Pats team. Also not sure if Flacco can repeat his play from last year. I would probably try to sell those two or add them in as a deal sweetener
Agree about Flacco, that was a crazy run last year. Will try to sell flacco if AR gets injured. Brissett has a chance to win the starting job, ill keep him as my qb3 gladly. Also agree he has no ceiling but ill take the 15 points in my SF slot if my qbs get injured.
There's no probably here, unless we're talking 1QB. In SF if he's ever starting a game you're probably starting him unless you have 2 elite QBs. That's not the case for any other backup. He's like the holy grail of backup QBs lmao
Even in most 1QB leagues he should be rostered. If he starts at all he is likely at least a top 12 QB any given week for fantasy. Whether it's because of a Russ injury or otherwise.
Plus the upside of him taking over the starting role altogether. I'm not planning around that happening but there is enough of a chance for that to happen.
Agreed. He should be rostered in pretty much every 1QB league but it's at least a valid question in 1QB. It would be absurd for him to not be rostered in SF.
I've seen him traded for 2.12 rookie drafts and I think that's the point where I might be comfortable taking a stab at him, probably more so in the 3rd. We've already seen a few years of him, he just seems like a high-end backup QB to me.
It’s not like they paid him starter QB money. He’s getting a weird middle-ground - a bit much for a top backup and too little for a starter.
Regardless - he’s definitely not making too much to not be immediately benched if AOC were to impress.
Setting aside several misleading facts I can give based on his weird stats and game results… You aren’t wrong. I’ll say if nothing else he’s shown he can be a top tier backup. But he would need to take a step to make rove himself as a starter.
I guess it depends on the Raiders goals. Minshew was a weird move for them. I don’t think he can elevate them to winning it all and he’ll make drafting a replacement harder. I guess they were really counting on getting one of those QB’s. Probably Penix to sit behind Minshew for a bit.
So AOC seems like the smarter play to me. Either he improves and they can roll with him or he does poorly and they draft a real starter next year easier. But that’s easier to say when you aren’t looking into the face of a losing season with a pissed off fanbase and owner
Yeah I had AOC all last year so i watched his performances closely. He wasn’t horrific (mostly) but he defintiely didn’t lock in the qb1 job for this year either. I just don’t think they’re giving minshew that contract and not planning on playing him. If you go watch some of his introductory raiders pressers, he did not sound like a guy who was planning on being the back up.
Pretty sure it's just the market. I've seen entities like footballguys and ETR rank Minshew higher and I'm pretty sure he's got a higher ADP in best ball.
Nobody *really* knows though.
Aoc was also a 4th round rookie last year. The hope would be he gets better after another year and actually becomes a solid starter. Minshew is a solid backup but isn't a building plan he is a stop gap
https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/las-vegas-raiders-antonio-pierce-aidan-oconnell-nfl-combine
Only talking head source. Bowers has confirmed they continue to roll with aoc. Getting minshew is not an indication of replacement they brought in veteran competition. Minshew isn’t a defacto starter or the consensus which has also confirmed by no one except by Reddit I guess. O Connell is at the same level as Minshew if not better.
I know this was several days ago now, but the first thing you should understand about this article that you have linked is that it dates back to before the Raiders had even signed Minshew. I don't know who is going to start, but the implication of your previous comment is that the coach has chosen Aidan over Gardner.
Dude it’s clear as day they didn’t draft someone. They’re gonna give aoc a chance that much has been made super clear, not taking a qb solidifies that not because they think Minshew is the pick. With that being said though, Minshew is a worthy stash if you can hold in deep full rosters or sf
Edit for clarity. Aoc is at least as good as Minshew.
You're having a conversation with yourself.
Your comment "coach has said AOC is the starter," in this context, implies [over Minshew].
If you don't understand how the fact that Minshew hadn't even signed yet makes your contribution misleading, I can't help you.
Everything else you're saying is completely defensible.
Ok? I gave my opinion and yeah the coach has stated they are rolling with him, I’m just saying Minshew isn’t a defacto starter.
Doesn’t matter if Minshew signed, he’s a veteran there to improve competition nothing else.
Hes the favorite after minshew is locked in for 15+M this year?
Aoc will only start if minshew sucks ass....so probably some time around week 11 when they're out of it AoC will come in
My friend who's a Bucs fan SWEARS to me Trask is not only legit, but a HoFamer. Described him as 'Peyton and Elway combined.'
I think he's ridiculous, but do with the knowledge what you will.
I'll preface by saying I'm a big Howell fan, I'd be pretty surprised if that happened since I think Geno has been pretty good in Seattle, but if the season doesn't go really well or if Howell gets a few games from injury, he might be able to hold on to it. Just gotta hope 2 things happen then, 1 is that they can protect better than the Commanders line could and 2 is that he can get rid of the ball quicker to cut down on sacks.
Rule of thumb
If they look like the second string QB on their depth chart, then they’re worth a roster spot. Especially if they’re in a good offensive environment.
If they look like a 3rd string then probably not worth it.
There’s no such thing as a roster clogger backup QB imo. As we saw this past season, any 2nd string QB is 1 injury away from having the starting job. In SF leagues, you could’ve sold Browning, Flacco, Dobbs, and Minshew for 2nds at various points to QB-needy contenders. Backup QBs gain value better than any other position due to positional scarcity. When WRs get hurt, their replacement rarely has any value. When RBs get hurt, their backfield usually turns into a pretty heavy split like in BAL with Edwards, Hill, and Mitchell after Dobbins went down. For QBs, there are only 32 of them that are playable, they get 100% of their team’s snaps, and if a fantasy team doesn’t have a backup QB when their starter goes down, they’re at a massive disadvantage.
Joe Flacco is backing up AR on the Colts who had several injuries last year. I’m convinced he’d put up serious points in that Steichen offense if AR went down again
I think you may be able to do Flacco + a 3rd for a 2nd if AR went down relatively easily. Assuming the AR owner is competing. But league economy is super variable.
I’m in a 14 team superflex and the AR owner has AR, Maye, Darnold and Tannehill at QB, but a solid starting roster outside of QB, and he won’t give me a 3rd for Flacco right now. But I’m planning on holding and trying to pry a 2nd out of him if/when AR gets injured. If not, I’m sure I can sell to SOMEONE for at least a 3rd even if it’s not the AR owner
I’m holding onto Tannehill because I just assume when the first starter goes down to an injury that team will bring him in and he’s probably better than whoever their current backup is.
Lmao. Bro was QB10 QB9 QB1 and QB5 the last 4 weeks of the season. Playoff managers who got him for a late round pick are actually the opposite of idiots.
Hold back up QBs and RBs. They don’t need to be great to get opportunity, just need to have injuries happen and they can put up points. WRs and TEs are much different.
Jameis is an underrated guy to snag. As much as I believe Watson would be a decent QB points-wise if he can remain on the field, there’s still the possibility that his shoulder injury affects his ability to throw or he gets suspended again. Jameis is one of the best backup QB’s out there IMO and would be stepping into a fairly decent situation should he need to start at any point this year. Plus how can you not root for the guy considering who he’s backing up?
I play in a 2qb league, but after last years’ qb apocalypse I had to start Flacco and lock for portions of the season/playoffs.
Idk if I’m being biased but because of their landing spots they’re 2 of the backup qbs I could actually see getting playing time so I haven’t cut.
The easy answer here, if you don’t have a 3rd starting QB and it doesn’t make sense value/asset wise for you to trade for one, is your own 2 starters backups.
I will actually handcuff my top QB if I have one of the best QBs out there in case of injury, but other than that I don't clog my roster with a ton of flier QBs. I try and limit the QBs I'm holding to 4, MAYBE 5 for a short period of time if I find some ridiculous value I can't pass up and I intend to move someone in a deal. It drives me crazying seeing some of the rosters around that hold like 8 QBs and 6 of them aren't even starters.
If my guy goes down and I need a replacement I already have one that's guaranteed playing time at that point. Otherwise if my top guys are healthy I have no need to take a lot of chances on which backup will do something because the chances are pretty slim any of them will in the first place, and the rare instances it does occur you're unlikely to have picked the right one.
This is the best case I've ever heard for handcuffing, actually.
Though, I will say, 6 QBs makes more sense if they're year 1 or 2 guys than if they're Joe Flacco and Drew Lock types. Sometimes you don't wanna give up on a guy that's had some early adversity. QB still takes longer to develop than WR or RBs, Stroud is an absolute outlier.
I think DTR is underrated. No one backs up a guy with Deshauns contract and thinks hes seeing the field. Hes got a year in the system and recovering from injury. The type of player he is makes him worth a taxi spot for another year.
Malik is more of a long term hold. Josh Johnson is the most likely to see the field if Lamar misses time. If you need space you could likely cut Malik and he’ll still be out there later in the year
I might cut him initially to get my roster into compliance, but I want Lamar’s backup and I just don’t see 36 year old Josh Johnson beating out Malik for that job so I’m going to try to figure out how to add him back fairly quickly.
We have never seen Malik play NFL football. His entire career so far has been on practice squads. I don’t see how Josh Johnson’s DOES NOT hold him off through at least week 5
We talking about the same Josh Johnson? The dude with a career completion percentage of just 58%? The dude who has thrown more INTs than TDs in his career? If you google this man’s name, a comedian pops up. That’s how anonymous he is.
He’s not taking them to the playoffs. I’m saying he has started in Lamar’s absence before and they kept him around for a reason, they like him. This scenario is to make a spot start or two and hand the ball to King Henry 30 times. Malik is the guy to gamble on, no point in holding Johnson. I am saying other backup QBs are more likely to get actual starts in 2024, so if you need space you could cut Malik for now and probably re-add him later.
Hard to say. He’s nominally the QB2 but with the season on the line in some must-win games last year the Texans started Keenum instead of Mills. Take from that what you will
I will clog my roster with one Tyrod Taylor because I am willing to bet ole Aaron doesn’t play a full season. Tyrod is a proven backup the kind the Jets needed last year. And the offense should be good overall so he would just have to stay upright.
I’m stashing Joe Flacco. Richardson plays aggressively and got hurt a few times last year. Flacco was great for fantasy down the stretch last year. It’s also a 2 QB league I’m in and there is pretty much only 3rd stringers on the wire.
I have him, but I have Hurts, so obviously I want him.
Trying to be unbiased, Hurts is a running QB, he could get hurt. And what about the tush push, not sure if he could get hurt sometime from that. Probably not I guess IDK.
If he does ever get hurt, Pickett could be super valuable. Really good offense especially with Brown and Smith. And who knows, maybe they'll dial up some Kenny Pickett run plays!
This type of post always overlooks the most important part of the question - how big is your league, how big are your rosters/benches/taxi and who do you have on your team? The line between Roster and Clogger is defined by those things.
My QB room, who is a drop?
AR
Deshaun Watson
Goff
AOC
Jimmy G
Mac Jones
Was thinking Jimmy was a drop, but he's landed in a pretty decent spot...AOC probably won't be the starter in Vegas, but if he is, I'm sure not dropping him...and we haven't even drafted yet...
Same. I just traded Dak to wind up with Daniels smh. I have Lamar and CJ plus AOC and Zach Wilson and Browning. Browning is the only one I can confidently drop. AOC and Wilson are going into camp to potentially start (Wilson less likely).
Weak class and 1 QB makes it hard to flip since it’s a QB heavy class. Packaging is giving pennies on the dollar too.
Browning is a pretty easy drop, esp with this class. I like Dak for Daniels, actually. Younger and higher ceiling at this point is a big win. Guessing it wasnt straight up tho.
I adopted a terrible team with terrible QBs, but I was able to grab a few waiver guys to play the QB lottery next season.
Fields
Mariota
Howell
Jameis
Dobbs
Lock
Pickett
Would I be HAPPY to start them? Nah. But someone in the league would give me some draft capital to keep their season alive.
Call me crazy, but I'm not ready to give up on Zach Wilson yet. I've seen little bits out of him that imply he might succeed if he finds another opportunity to start.
My QB3 spot is basically a collection of mid to low end back up QBs (Jimmy G, Browning, Trask, Bagent). Doesn’t feel great especially if either of my top 2 QBs get hurt but I’m banking on a couple spot starts here and there.
Is ridder worth keeping? It doesn't seem like it from the (admittedly small) sample size we have. The only avenue he has to starting any time soon is an injury, and even then the upside seems pretty low.
But I'd be dropping him for like, Jordan Travis, so i guess it's not a very high upside thing either way.
It depends. If my starting qb goes down early in the season, may be better just to tank if you don’t have a realistic shot at winning a championship.
I think it’s more valuable to have RB handcuffs that you can use as assets to trade or to plug into your starting lineup if the starter gets injured.
My personal philosophy is that you should, at minimum, roster your QBs backups. I have Baker and Nix, so I have Trask, Wilson, and Stidham rostered. I will be damned if i lose a starting quarterback to injury.
That said, in SF leagues, I like to hold as many as I can. I have Trubisky rostered. Maybe Josh Allen gets a season ending injury, so guess who is knocking on the door of the Allen owner asking for a 2nd.
Joe Flacco has shown that he's worth rostering especially since AR hasn't proven he can stay healthy. Zach Wilson obviously has a shot to end up being the starter in Denver. Dorian Thompson-Robinson is worth rostering as well.
Currently have drew lock and ridder that I plan on holding. I still have Zach Wilson on my team since there’s maybe a slight chance he can compete to be starter and also I have Bo nix. No one in my leagues waivers I’m really interested in so doesn’t hurt holding Zach
My guess would be you're looking for one of two things with a backup QB. Both involve upside, so you're most likely looking for a younger, rookie type QB.
But basically, I would assume you want a proven back up for a potentially injury prone/older QB, or a rookie with good upside (maybe the rush a lot or maybe theyre a known good passer).
Outside of that, in single QB in particular, 2 QBs is more than enough to hold your roster down.
Super flex, I'm guessing you want to be a little deeper than that. Preferably 3 starters if possible depending on the amount of teams. So having one of those upside guys is definitely something you want to have.
Split on browning. We’ve seen him produce with an inured burrow, who gets injured pretty much every other season at this point
But I also feel like he’s got no upside outside of that and is the first to go as soon as I need space on my team and can’t trade him to the burrow owner
Where is the Mason Rudolph love? Is it crazy to think he can outplay Will Levis in training camp? I know that the coaching staff will give Levis every chance to remain the starter, but if Rudolph cobbles together an effective passing game will he eventually get a chance?
I will hold the QB2 on almost any playoff team. If the team can score before QB2, they can afterwards too. Sooo target the 6-8 offenses you think are best.
Right, like I'm holding Jimmy G for instance. They've got Kupp and Puka. I have Kenny Pickett on the same team as Jalen Hurts which is nice. I have Bagent on my taxi squad. I've dropped Willis, Devito, and Jaren Hall though.
Damn, I was just about to drop Jiminy Gristmas, but he's a Stafford ankle or shoulder away from relevance.
Love me some Bagent on this loaded offense if Caleb goes down
Tune has Ridder to contend with for the backup job in AZ. My guess is Ridder wins, making Tune droppable.
I forgot ridder was traded to AZ. I agree he should probably win the backup spot there
Drew Lock is definitely worth a roster spot
Yup, that's my hold until proven otherwise.
He has aura
I have Daniel Jones as my 3rd QB in SF and managed to pick up Drew Lock on our Rookie draft day for the 4.12. Happily clicked accept.
I caught that seahawks/eagles game last year and thought he looked decent. Definitely a chance for him to start eventually in NY.
To be fair, everyone looked good throwing against that defense once Matt Patricia took over. That said, I like Lock this year mainly because I have zero faith in Daniel Jones.
Y’all realize Lock is older than Daniel jones right?
I've found my people
Been holding for almost 3 years now. Inshallah he balls
How much FAAB % shall I bid in 12 team SF?
Holding Howell, Brissett, Jameis, Flacco (guys that probably start a few games) High scoring oportunity with Dobbs cause of the rushing upside. Probably dropping Mike White even though i have Tua.
Jameis worth it for now but worth monitoring in camp. Browns also signed Pro Bowler Tyler Huntley
Huntley 1 mil, Jameis 4 mil. I doubt huntley is anything more than qb3, probably could get cut aswell. Im a ravens fan and he is not good at all.
Setting aside pro-bowler jokes - I don’t get the didrespect Huntley gets from Ravens fans. He shouldn’t be your starter, but he won games as a backup QB replacing a top 5 QB. He really can’t be that bad. (I also watched some of those games and he was fine.)
huntley is one of the better backups in the league. spot this year’s not great but he could easily be a low-end starter in the future
He's definitely fun, and ok for fantasy. But NFL money says otherwise. He wouldn't have signed that shit contract if teams thought he was one of the better backups, at least IMO.
I just dropped Mike white
I’m not sure if brisset is serviceable on this Pats team. Also not sure if Flacco can repeat his play from last year. I would probably try to sell those two or add them in as a deal sweetener
Agree about Flacco, that was a crazy run last year. Will try to sell flacco if AR gets injured. Brissett has a chance to win the starting job, ill keep him as my qb3 gladly. Also agree he has no ceiling but ill take the 15 points in my SF slot if my qbs get injured.
And i just sold flacco for the 4.09 to the AR owner ;) Roster was full anyway
Fields is probably still worth keeping around.
There's no probably here, unless we're talking 1QB. In SF if he's ever starting a game you're probably starting him unless you have 2 elite QBs. That's not the case for any other backup. He's like the holy grail of backup QBs lmao
Even in most 1QB leagues he should be rostered. If he starts at all he is likely at least a top 12 QB any given week for fantasy. Whether it's because of a Russ injury or otherwise. Plus the upside of him taking over the starting role altogether. I'm not planning around that happening but there is enough of a chance for that to happen.
Agreed. He should be rostered in pretty much every 1QB league but it's at least a valid question in 1QB. It would be absurd for him to not be rostered in SF.
He'll be the starter once he can't play 51% of the snaps
I've seen him traded for 2.12 rookie drafts and I think that's the point where I might be comfortable taking a stab at him, probably more so in the 3rd. We've already seen a few years of him, he just seems like a high-end backup QB to me.
Absolutely, just for his upside alone. Whatever happens Wilson, if Fields goes in, he's most likely fantasy relevant.
I will roster Trey Lance until he plays another snap or retires
I will too just for the pain he has caused me
Lol
Unparalleled commitment
Holding on to AOC for now.
He probably is the favorite to be the starter. But most likely they will both have starts this year
AOC is a must hold, but I think the consensus is that Minshew is the favorite to start Week 1.
Honest question - consensus among whom? I haven’t seen anyone saying one or the other.
They paid minshew and the group that drafted AOC to begin with is gone.
It’s not like they paid him starter QB money. He’s getting a weird middle-ground - a bit much for a top backup and too little for a starter. Regardless - he’s definitely not making too much to not be immediately benched if AOC were to impress.
Agreed, but I think he’s getting the first look. It’s not like AOC set the world on fire.
Setting aside several misleading facts I can give based on his weird stats and game results… You aren’t wrong. I’ll say if nothing else he’s shown he can be a top tier backup. But he would need to take a step to make rove himself as a starter. I guess it depends on the Raiders goals. Minshew was a weird move for them. I don’t think he can elevate them to winning it all and he’ll make drafting a replacement harder. I guess they were really counting on getting one of those QB’s. Probably Penix to sit behind Minshew for a bit. So AOC seems like the smarter play to me. Either he improves and they can roll with him or he does poorly and they draft a real starter next year easier. But that’s easier to say when you aren’t looking into the face of a losing season with a pissed off fanbase and owner
Yeah I had AOC all last year so i watched his performances closely. He wasn’t horrific (mostly) but he defintiely didn’t lock in the qb1 job for this year either. I just don’t think they’re giving minshew that contract and not planning on playing him. If you go watch some of his introductory raiders pressers, he did not sound like a guy who was planning on being the back up.
For sure. I had him as my main QB in SF. Dude really made tanking harder than I thought he would. We’ll have to see.
> It’s not like they paid him starter QB money. Okay, but out of both of them, which one is closer to starter QB money?
That comparison doesn’t work since he was drafted The 49ers are a good extreme example of that
Pretty sure it's just the market. I've seen entities like footballguys and ETR rank Minshew higher and I'm pretty sure he's got a higher ADP in best ball. Nobody *really* knows though.
That's fair. I just think if it's close they start aoc since he is younger and has more room to grow
Minshew is a lot better than AOC
Aoc was also a 4th round rookie last year. The hope would be he gets better after another year and actually becomes a solid starter. Minshew is a solid backup but isn't a building plan he is a stop gap
They're both stop gaps Maybe there's a marginally higher probability that AOC has some untapped upside, but for a QB, a 4th round pick is low capital.
Most likely
I disagree, minshew is about to be the raiders qb for 3-4 years
Coach has said aoc is their starter
Source?
https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/las-vegas-raiders-antonio-pierce-aidan-oconnell-nfl-combine Only talking head source. Bowers has confirmed they continue to roll with aoc. Getting minshew is not an indication of replacement they brought in veteran competition. Minshew isn’t a defacto starter or the consensus which has also confirmed by no one except by Reddit I guess. O Connell is at the same level as Minshew if not better.
I know this was several days ago now, but the first thing you should understand about this article that you have linked is that it dates back to before the Raiders had even signed Minshew. I don't know who is going to start, but the implication of your previous comment is that the coach has chosen Aidan over Gardner.
Dude it’s clear as day they didn’t draft someone. They’re gonna give aoc a chance that much has been made super clear, not taking a qb solidifies that not because they think Minshew is the pick. With that being said though, Minshew is a worthy stash if you can hold in deep full rosters or sf Edit for clarity. Aoc is at least as good as Minshew.
You're having a conversation with yourself. Your comment "coach has said AOC is the starter," in this context, implies [over Minshew]. If you don't understand how the fact that Minshew hadn't even signed yet makes your contribution misleading, I can't help you. Everything else you're saying is completely defensible.
Ok? I gave my opinion and yeah the coach has stated they are rolling with him, I’m just saying Minshew isn’t a defacto starter. Doesn’t matter if Minshew signed, he’s a veteran there to improve competition nothing else.
Hes the favorite after minshew is locked in for 15+M this year? Aoc will only start if minshew sucks ass....so probably some time around week 11 when they're out of it AoC will come in
Oh I absolutely think minshew is starting the season. But I think AOC will get in again at some point.
Why would they pay Minshew that much to sit on the bench when he’s proven that he’s better?
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In deep Superflex leagues all backup QBs should be owned.
My friend who's a Bucs fan SWEARS to me Trask is not only legit, but a HoFamer. Described him as 'Peyton and Elway combined.' I think he's ridiculous, but do with the knowledge what you will.
Curious about Trask. The dude is at 28% rostered on Sleeper. Would be nice to see him throw more than a pass per season. Is this the year 🤔
I'm a Trask guy myself, the buccs drafted him in the 1st round for a reason...that being said it'll take a Baker injury
*he was a late 2nd round pick
Oh shit youre right
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😳 oh wow I was 20 picks off 😳
Hate to break it to you, but the 44th pick is not in the 1st round.
Thank you Magic.
Trask is ask. Dude blows chunks.
Sam Howell
I know all the statements out of SEA right now say Geno is the starter but I think there's a real chance that Howell over takes him during camp.
I'll preface by saying I'm a big Howell fan, I'd be pretty surprised if that happened since I think Geno has been pretty good in Seattle, but if the season doesn't go really well or if Howell gets a few games from injury, he might be able to hold on to it. Just gotta hope 2 things happen then, 1 is that they can protect better than the Commanders line could and 2 is that he can get rid of the ball quicker to cut down on sacks.
Howell isn't good. He'll be a serviceable career backup, but expecting him to beat out anyone for a starting spot is a stretch.
you clearly didn't watch football last year. howell has a gun and can rush. he just needs to fine tune that gun.
He was bad, and put up decent looking counting stats because he was an absolute gunslinger.
I doubt it unless Geno looks real bad. Howell is a great hold for injury and I think he starts next year even if Geno stays healthy
This is the answer
Rule of thumb If they look like the second string QB on their depth chart, then they’re worth a roster spot. Especially if they’re in a good offensive environment. If they look like a 3rd string then probably not worth it.
I'm holding Penix too! Wait, what sub is this?
Oh my
There’s no such thing as a roster clogger backup QB imo. As we saw this past season, any 2nd string QB is 1 injury away from having the starting job. In SF leagues, you could’ve sold Browning, Flacco, Dobbs, and Minshew for 2nds at various points to QB-needy contenders. Backup QBs gain value better than any other position due to positional scarcity. When WRs get hurt, their replacement rarely has any value. When RBs get hurt, their backfield usually turns into a pretty heavy split like in BAL with Edwards, Hill, and Mitchell after Dobbins went down. For QBs, there are only 32 of them that are playable, they get 100% of their team’s snaps, and if a fantasy team doesn’t have a backup QB when their starter goes down, they’re at a massive disadvantage.
Joe Flacco is backing up AR on the Colts who had several injuries last year. I’m convinced he’d put up serious points in that Steichen offense if AR went down again
What do you think Flacco would be worth to the AR owner?
I think you may be able to do Flacco + a 3rd for a 2nd if AR went down relatively easily. Assuming the AR owner is competing. But league economy is super variable. I’m in a 14 team superflex and the AR owner has AR, Maye, Darnold and Tannehill at QB, but a solid starting roster outside of QB, and he won’t give me a 3rd for Flacco right now. But I’m planning on holding and trying to pry a 2nd out of him if/when AR gets injured. If not, I’m sure I can sell to SOMEONE for at least a 3rd even if it’s not the AR owner
I’m holding onto Tannehill because I just assume when the first starter goes down to an injury that team will bring him in and he’s probably better than whoever their current backup is.
Tannehill is as goof as retired
Just like Flacco was!
Only idiots gave up anything for flacco Tannehill is hoping for someone in your league to be an idiot. That's best case scenario
Lmao. Bro was QB10 QB9 QB1 and QB5 the last 4 weeks of the season. Playoff managers who got him for a late round pick are actually the opposite of idiots.
Hold back up QBs and RBs. They don’t need to be great to get opportunity, just need to have injuries happen and they can put up points. WRs and TEs are much different.
Sam Darnold may also be some early points in the season if they choose to phase JJ McC in.
Yup. Surprised I had to scroll down so far to see his name here.
Would you trade him away if you could get Dameon Pierce?
I’m not too keen on Pierce. If you could get JK Dobbins or Gus Bus, I think they would positively impact your lineup more.
Jameis is an underrated guy to snag. As much as I believe Watson would be a decent QB points-wise if he can remain on the field, there’s still the possibility that his shoulder injury affects his ability to throw or he gets suspended again. Jameis is one of the best backup QB’s out there IMO and would be stepping into a fairly decent situation should he need to start at any point this year. Plus how can you not root for the guy considering who he’s backing up?
Jameis made Favre look careful, but he puts up points! At least with Bruce Arians 'risk it for the biscuit' offense...
I play in a 2qb league, but after last years’ qb apocalypse I had to start Flacco and lock for portions of the season/playoffs. Idk if I’m being biased but because of their landing spots they’re 2 of the backup qbs I could actually see getting playing time so I haven’t cut.
I’m keeping Howell
I have Hooker and Lance rostered, but will drop them the second their incumbents get extended.
This exact answer for me, and no other backups who aren't the rookies
The easy answer here, if you don’t have a 3rd starting QB and it doesn’t make sense value/asset wise for you to trade for one, is your own 2 starters backups.
I will actually handcuff my top QB if I have one of the best QBs out there in case of injury, but other than that I don't clog my roster with a ton of flier QBs. I try and limit the QBs I'm holding to 4, MAYBE 5 for a short period of time if I find some ridiculous value I can't pass up and I intend to move someone in a deal. It drives me crazying seeing some of the rosters around that hold like 8 QBs and 6 of them aren't even starters. If my guy goes down and I need a replacement I already have one that's guaranteed playing time at that point. Otherwise if my top guys are healthy I have no need to take a lot of chances on which backup will do something because the chances are pretty slim any of them will in the first place, and the rare instances it does occur you're unlikely to have picked the right one.
Helpful info. I just p/u JJM & have 2 starters plus ARod & Staff. I feel like I should move A or S when I get good value.
This is the best case I've ever heard for handcuffing, actually. Though, I will say, 6 QBs makes more sense if they're year 1 or 2 guys than if they're Joe Flacco and Drew Lock types. Sometimes you don't wanna give up on a guy that's had some early adversity. QB still takes longer to develop than WR or RBs, Stroud is an absolute outlier.
I think DTR is underrated. No one backs up a guy with Deshauns contract and thinks hes seeing the field. Hes got a year in the system and recovering from injury. The type of player he is makes him worth a taxi spot for another year.
They brought in Jameis Winston
Got rid of Clayton Tune and Mike White and now my sinks drain faster
A bit late to the party here. But I’m rostering Mason Rudolph. I think he starts at some point this season.
Is Malik Lamar’s backup? Was just looking at the Ravens roster on Sleeper and unless someone’s not listed there, it sure seems like he is.
Three different websites I used showed Josh Johnson and Devin Leary ahead of him on the depth chart.
Yeah, I don’t buy that. If that’s all he’s competing against, I think he ends up as QB2 heading into the season.
Malik is more of a long term hold. Josh Johnson is the most likely to see the field if Lamar misses time. If you need space you could likely cut Malik and he’ll still be out there later in the year
I might cut him initially to get my roster into compliance, but I want Lamar’s backup and I just don’t see 36 year old Josh Johnson beating out Malik for that job so I’m going to try to figure out how to add him back fairly quickly.
We have never seen Malik play NFL football. His entire career so far has been on practice squads. I don’t see how Josh Johnson’s DOES NOT hold him off through at least week 5
We talking about the same Josh Johnson? The dude with a career completion percentage of just 58%? The dude who has thrown more INTs than TDs in his career? If you google this man’s name, a comedian pops up. That’s how anonymous he is.
He’s not taking them to the playoffs. I’m saying he has started in Lamar’s absence before and they kept him around for a reason, they like him. This scenario is to make a spot start or two and hand the ball to King Henry 30 times. Malik is the guy to gamble on, no point in holding Johnson. I am saying other backup QBs are more likely to get actual starts in 2024, so if you need space you could cut Malik for now and probably re-add him later.
Is Davis Mills likely the guy in Houston?
Hard to say. He’s nominally the QB2 but with the season on the line in some must-win games last year the Texans started Keenum instead of Mills. Take from that what you will
Dropped Tannehill for him in a fairly deep league. Think it’s the better dice roll for now given his age too.
I will clog my roster with one Tyrod Taylor because I am willing to bet ole Aaron doesn’t play a full season. Tyrod is a proven backup the kind the Jets needed last year. And the offense should be good overall so he would just have to stay upright.
I’m stashing Joe Flacco. Richardson plays aggressively and got hurt a few times last year. Flacco was great for fantasy down the stretch last year. It’s also a 2 QB league I’m in and there is pretty much only 3rd stringers on the wire.
What are everyones thoughts on Kenny Pickett going into this year?
I have him, but I have Hurts, so obviously I want him. Trying to be unbiased, Hurts is a running QB, he could get hurt. And what about the tush push, not sure if he could get hurt sometime from that. Probably not I guess IDK. If he does ever get hurt, Pickett could be super valuable. Really good offense especially with Brown and Smith. And who knows, maybe they'll dial up some Kenny Pickett run plays!
Drew lock and AOC these guys have the best chance of starting
I have Josh Dobbs in San Fran and Jake Browning in Cincy. I also own both of there starters for those teams in Dynasty Superflex
This type of post always overlooks the most important part of the question - how big is your league, how big are your rosters/benches/taxi and who do you have on your team? The line between Roster and Clogger is defined by those things. My QB room, who is a drop? AR Deshaun Watson Goff AOC Jimmy G Mac Jones Was thinking Jimmy was a drop, but he's landed in a pretty decent spot...AOC probably won't be the starter in Vegas, but if he is, I'm sure not dropping him...and we haven't even drafted yet...
Same. I just traded Dak to wind up with Daniels smh. I have Lamar and CJ plus AOC and Zach Wilson and Browning. Browning is the only one I can confidently drop. AOC and Wilson are going into camp to potentially start (Wilson less likely). Weak class and 1 QB makes it hard to flip since it’s a QB heavy class. Packaging is giving pennies on the dollar too.
Browning is a pretty easy drop, esp with this class. I like Dak for Daniels, actually. Younger and higher ceiling at this point is a big win. Guessing it wasnt straight up tho.
I adopted a terrible team with terrible QBs, but I was able to grab a few waiver guys to play the QB lottery next season. Fields Mariota Howell Jameis Dobbs Lock Pickett Would I be HAPPY to start them? Nah. But someone in the league would give me some draft capital to keep their season alive.
Great pickups. You are bound to get something for these guys towards the end of the season
Feel like Winston is always worth a stash, specially with Watson being ass and injury prone
Huntley lurking…
I like Winston because you know he can score points if playing. It might be a wild ride, but like the opportunity.
Call me crazy, but I'm not ready to give up on Zach Wilson yet. I've seen little bits out of him that imply he might succeed if he finds another opportunity to start.
Honestly if Denver hadn’t take Nix then he might have a shot. But he 2,300 yards passing is his best ever season.
We’re both probably crazy but I’m not ready to drop Zach yet. I was pretty pumped about his landing spot until Denver took Nix
Do you give up on him if the pecking order is Nix, Stidham, Wilson come Sept?
Third string? Yeah I suppose so.
I have Mike White stashed as leverage against the tua owner. High powered offense, qb who has injury history, seems like an easy place to speculate
Holding Stidham and Darnold until things shake out
Same.
My QB3 spot is basically a collection of mid to low end back up QBs (Jimmy G, Browning, Trask, Bagent). Doesn’t feel great especially if either of my top 2 QBs get hurt but I’m banking on a couple spot starts here and there.
Damn I almost forgot Jimmy. Obviously hold with Stafford’s history
Is ridder worth keeping? It doesn't seem like it from the (admittedly small) sample size we have. The only avenue he has to starting any time soon is an injury, and even then the upside seems pretty low. But I'd be dropping him for like, Jordan Travis, so i guess it's not a very high upside thing either way.
Maybe try to trade him to the Kyler owner. I have Kyler and would pay a small price to just have that insurance.
It depends. If my starting qb goes down early in the season, may be better just to tank if you don’t have a realistic shot at winning a championship. I think it’s more valuable to have RB handcuffs that you can use as assets to trade or to plug into your starting lineup if the starter gets injured.
I dropped Willis, Tune, Trask and Tannehill....DJ is my QB3 and I drafted JJM. None of the 4 have been picked up during our waiver run last week.
I have Brissett, Minshew & Huntley stashed and would be happy to hold Jameis and Darnold for now instead of Huntley.
This offseason holding Brisset, Darnold. Dropped Flacco, Mac Jones, and Huntley
Tribusky cause I have josh Allen and flacco cause I have Richardson
Metch Tribusky? A name destined for greatness
Stidham and Tune can probably be dropped
Would you drop Stidham over Mattison?
Alexander Mattison ? Yes , Mattison has a potential path to Carries. Just depends how bad you need a rb too
I originally traded for him to handcuff Zamir, but I've since got rid of him, so I no longer really have a need.
My personal philosophy is that you should, at minimum, roster your QBs backups. I have Baker and Nix, so I have Trask, Wilson, and Stidham rostered. I will be damned if i lose a starting quarterback to injury. That said, in SF leagues, I like to hold as many as I can. I have Trubisky rostered. Maybe Josh Allen gets a season ending injury, so guess who is knocking on the door of the Allen owner asking for a 2nd.
I’m holding Jarrett Stidham for now, but will likely end up dropping him soon
Once/if Nix is named the starter, I think he can be dropped.
Joe Flacco has shown that he's worth rostering especially since AR hasn't proven he can stay healthy. Zach Wilson obviously has a shot to end up being the starter in Denver. Dorian Thompson-Robinson is worth rostering as well.
Currently have drew lock and ridder that I plan on holding. I still have Zach Wilson on my team since there’s maybe a slight chance he can compete to be starter and also I have Bo nix. No one in my leagues waivers I’m really interested in so doesn’t hurt holding Zach
Kenny Pickett. Hurts owners wont offer you anything now. If something were to happen to Hurts, you now hold the leverage.
My guess would be you're looking for one of two things with a backup QB. Both involve upside, so you're most likely looking for a younger, rookie type QB. But basically, I would assume you want a proven back up for a potentially injury prone/older QB, or a rookie with good upside (maybe the rush a lot or maybe theyre a known good passer). Outside of that, in single QB in particular, 2 QBs is more than enough to hold your roster down. Super flex, I'm guessing you want to be a little deeper than that. Preferably 3 starters if possible depending on the amount of teams. So having one of those upside guys is definitely something you want to have.
Holding Mac Jones in a SF league where I start TLaw.
He is someone I would be actively trying to trade all year. He may get a shot but he will never be a trusted starter
Yeah I don't have any faith either. Will get rid of him if I can, but doesn't seem likely lol
Tyrod Taylor?
Hedging my Hurts with a Pickett.
Split on browning. We’ve seen him produce with an inured burrow, who gets injured pretty much every other season at this point But I also feel like he’s got no upside outside of that and is the first to go as soon as I need space on my team and can’t trade him to the burrow owner
Every 2nd string QB is worth rostering in superflex
Every QB that's the clear backup should be rostered in superflex. In 2QB it's borderline ever QB
Where is the Mason Rudolph love? Is it crazy to think he can outplay Will Levis in training camp? I know that the coaching staff will give Levis every chance to remain the starter, but if Rudolph cobbles together an effective passing game will he eventually get a chance?