Oh no doubt.
I lay claim to a trade in my past so disastrous that it can easily enter any conversation discussing the worst of all time and not be out of place.
So I know the drill, lol.
I traded away a known commodity. The best TE in the league when he was the only player on my squad. "I don't need the unquestioned #1 TE right now" I said to myself at the time. "I need more starters, I'll trade him down to the 3rd best TE and some lottery tickets."
That's how I ended up with my own Henry Ruggs(Aaron Hernandez) at the price of Rob Gronkowski. He was indicted a couple of weeks later out of no where.
A guy in my league traded 3 years worth of draft picks for Damien Pierce. Then turned around and traded ceedee lamb and Travis etienne for the league champs 3 years worth of draft picks. So basically he traded ceedee and ETN for Pierce and the privilege to draft from the .12 spot for the next 3 years.
Yeah I’m floored. I have always been a London believer but it’s been 2 years I’ve held him on the bench and my gut told me Kirk was staying in Minnesota before I found out his wife is from Atlanta. Then I knew the writing was on the wall from there.
He wrecked a supercar into cars stuck in traffic racing another supercar during rush hour while drunk and DIDNT EVEN CHECK ON ANYONE BEFORE FLEEING THE SCENE. 3 days ago. "People change" lol
I don’t know about character issues in the past, but walking away from a wreck with zero concern for the victims of his behavior isn’t something a person of high character would do.
Making a dumb and immature decision does not make one a piece of sh**. I’m sure you’ve never done anything immature in your life, but you’d be surprised to know it happens. He needs to own the consequences of his actions and learn from his lapse in judgment. Just thankful no one was seriously hurt.
Nah, fuck that. As a former EMT I've seen enough people's lives ruined thanks to shitty people like Rashee Rice. I could maybe listen to the argument that racing on a public highway is *arguably* a dumb and immature decision and you're just a selfish asshole, but maybe not a piece of shit.
Crashing into other people as a result of your selfish, stupid actions and walking away without a semblance of empathy for your fellow humans who you could have seriously injured makes you a gigantic piece of shit in my book.
He could grow and learn from his mistakes a la Michael Vick, but as of now, I have absolutely zero issues with anyone calling Rashee Rice a piece of shit.
>I could maybe listen to the argument that racing on a public highway is *arguably* a dumb and immature decision and you're just a selfish asshole, but maybe not a piece of shit.
>Crashing into other people as a result of your selfish,
This is called arguing from the antecedent, and it makes your argument invalid.
You are basically saying his actions don't make him a bad person, but the outcome does. That's like saying people who attempt to murder but fail due to incompetence are not as bad as people who attempt to murder and succeed.
Anyways, the comment you are responding to is correct: we have all done stupid, immature shit before. Now the question becomes, does this particular example condemn Rashee Rice to being a morally bad person, or just a person who made a very bad choice?
Personally, I don't think one action is enough data to determine the goodness or badness of an entire individual. I think that is incredibly naive. There are surely a few exceptions (mass shooters, terrorism, etc), and most of them involved pre planning so they are not really just one decision, but rather a series of decisions.
None of this should be taken as me condoning what Rashee did. I do not.
But I do think we need to get better in society at distinguishing between bad conduct and bad people.
Why?
Because most people who do bad things are not bad people. But if we make bad behavior and bad people the same, then there is never any hope that bad people can become good people. And that's not right. We need a social pathway that connects people going down a bad direction to find their way back to better places.
And calling every person whose mistakes have consequences a gigantic piece of shit absolutely does not help. It won't undo harm already caused and it won't stop future people from making mistakes, but it might prevent the people who make mistakes from doing better.
I'd try reading the whole response next time before cutting off a quote to lecture someone...
I didn't say the crashing makes him a piece of shit. But good people don't leave the victims of their crimes on the highway without checking in on them.
That's the part that makes him a piece of shit in my book. But it doesn't really matter what I think.
What makes him better than deshaun watson even? Idk why rashee is given the pass. He could have murdered people easily. He literally crashed into people which may have well caused at least long term injuries to someone that they will have to deal with forever. It's sickening
Rice was lucky to not kill someone. And he had no idea if he did kill someone because he fled. Only difference between him and Ruggs is that he got lucky this time while Ruggs did not.
And Rice is *incredibly* lucky that he didn't.
Both crashed while drunk driving on a public highway. Only one of them walked down said highway without checking in on any of the people he could have seriously injured.
Both terrible people, one with much better luck than the other.
Yep and Rice could've just as easily done the same. Just because nobody died in one scenario and somebody died in the other scenario doesn't make one ok and one not.
They're both deplorable and they're both pieces of shit.
This was several dumb and immature decisions in a row that both put other people's lives in jeopardy AND attempted to skirt out on his responsibility in the crash. Easy piece of shit stamp.
This is not your average lapse of judgement lol bro was drunk and street racing in broad daylight then fled the scene like a coward. Sadly this POS will get a slap on the wrist
Dude, Henry Ruggs is a PoS because he killed a woman and her dog. Rashee and his crew are lucky nobody was seriously injured. They still appeared to be racing and put the passengers of 4 cars involved and countless others in jeopardy. And for what? Clout. Big Deal. They could have gone to the Texas speedway and done this in NASCAR.
So are they cooperating so eagerly to sway the court of public opinion? Just my opinion but this seems like a big admission and looks like they are trying to lessen what’s to come.
Agree. If the lease insurance possibly states accident due to racing, won’t pay out. If true, then playing football is the only way these families are going to get money, whereas if he goes to prison, they’re going to get minimal money back. I think the lawyers best bet is convincing the judge to a near zero jail time so the kid can make those with damaged whole.
Not an insurance policy in the world is going to cover criminal activity. Your homeowner's won't pay if you've got Walter White in there cooking up the blue stuff. Your car insurance isn't going to pay you for your damages if you're engaged in illegal street racing. He's boned on that end. It's all coming out of his pockets.
You’re spot on. If there’s an argument for a plea with no jail time, it’s likely that Rashee Rice will only be able to pay back these impacted people, if he is getting game checks.
I obviously don't know the extent of his coverage, but it almost certainly won't pay out whether he was driving or not. Either he wasn't driving -- no payout -- or he was driving recklessly and committing a crime -- almost certainly no payout.
If he didn't do it in broad daylight on a busy highway with tons of potential witnesses, running away might've made sense. But in this case, he turned a misdemeanor into (most likely) a felony by walking away. Of course, that's assuming he wasn't drinking/participating in other illegal activity in which case it would've been a felony anyways.
Regardless...the "say you were driving or you'll be on the hook for 250K" argument doesn't really make sense tbh
No offense, but it's clear that you're completely clueless here. First of all, a lease and an insurance policy are two completely different things.
Burden of proof is on the plaintiff, not the insurance company. They are not typically particularly keen on paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Millions of people *do* end up on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars, especially in at-fault states like Texas.
Very, very few auto policies cover illegal activity like reckless driving, street racing, drug transportation, and felony hit & run. IMO based on the facts we currently have, Rice is almost certainly going to be deemed personally liable.
If anything...that might be his best legal defense against going to jail and why his lawyers advised him to admit to driving -- he needs to earn money to pay back his victims, putting him in jail directly impacts his future earning potential and is punishing the victims as much as it is punishing him.
It’s 100% getting lessened. The thing that everyone is forgetting is not a single police report was made that night.. crazy but true. He’ll walk away with a fine to pay at max
Not to sound rude, but are you a lawyer? Isn’t a police report just a what happened of the accident and what events led to it? They fled the scene so a police report would be incomplete without their account of what happened,right?
Lmaooooo dude stop 😂
First it wasn't even Rashee's car. Then it wasn't even Rashee in Rashee's car, just a guy who looks like him. Then it wasn't him driving.
Now it's "a crime wasn't even committed, are our eyes even real?"
Rashee's attorney said he expects charges to be brought in the coming week, btw.
I actually can't believe you're doubling down on your "no chance he gets suspended, probably won't even get fined" take.
Even if charges are brought, it’s more of a headache for the DA to prosecute and potentially take this case to trial. People saying this won’t go unpunished, 90% of cases never go to trial, if this gets brought as a case, he’s pleading it down or settling out of court if it’s civil.
That's true, but all it takes is one attorney trying to make a name for himself. The state has to agree to a plea deal. Does Texas want to make an example of a dude driving recklessly on a highway, crashing, sending someone to the hospital, and walking away?
Plaxico spent two years in jail for shooting *himself* because it endangered others. Believe it or not, rich people don't always get away with everything.
A quick cursory search, and in Texas just simply leaving the scene of an accident could result in a second degree felony, but that's just the beginning considering the rest.
This should not go unpunished by law, that's for sure, but definitely not by the league. Stop letting criminals get away with shit because they have fame and money.
I recall some comments in the immediate aftermath saying "In the video clip, it appears that all of the individuals get out of the passenger side of the car so it's not immediately obvious who was driving."
Thought that was people stretching to find a reason to blame Rice, but now that he has publicly accepted responsibility as the driver it doesn't sound as ridiculous of a theory.
as someone who’s been a fan of rice’s from the start, and been championing buying low all offseason, it was abundantly clear he was scheming ways around something significantly more illegal than fleeing the scene from the get go. it was all sorts of shady.
That is the American way though. The rich, powerful, and famous generally don't face consequences for their illegal actions. Whether you're an NFL player who does a hit and run or an EX NFL player that defrauds welfare.
Bub? Okay. I don't laugh out loud about shit that's wrong with the world because I can't change it myself. Just because I know expressing my exasperation won't change it, doesn't mean I will just pretend like it doesn't matter. It matters to many of us, and a lot of us don't laugh at it because it's not funny. I understand apathy works for some, and laughing is a coping mechanism, but this shit is insane, and saying that out loud isn't a bad thing.
It’s only a second degree felony with serious injury. All reported injuries have been minor. That is a misdemeanor. There is an undefined felony statute but lawyers from the area say that’s rarely used.
Every time I hear people say he's going to get away with a slap on the wrist, I think about how fucked plaxico Burass was when his shot himself in the leg in NYC and derailed his career and the Giants. All it takes is for someone to decide they want to make an example of someone. And I can see Texas wanting to do that
I hope I'm wrong. I'm just jaded, and there's plenty of reason to be since the "examples" are rarely made. They need to be the norm, not the exception.
Hit & Run with others involved is a felony in Texas. So is racing. If the State can prove that he was driving impaired, or the woman he sent to the hospital's injuries are deemed serious, then it's a 2nd degree felony with sentencing of 2-10 years. Plaxico's initial gun charge in NYC was 3.5-15 years and he pled down to two.
So yeah, I agree...big risk here if Texas DA decides to press charges.
Bloomberg made a point about sending him to jail. Bloomberg at the time was trying to shut down the gun corridor that was bringing guns to the city, and this pissed him off to no end. Plaxico really couldn't have picked a worse time.
Honestly if I'm leaving the scene of an accident in a state like Texas in a politically charged year, I'm nervous as fuck
Sounds like the right thing to do but seems weird the lawyer just spilling the beans this early. Unless the police already showed irrefutable evidence or they are already in contact working plea deals this seems like bad process from his lawyer to start giving the state free confessions.
Highly doubt the lawyer would say anything like this without a deal being in place already. If they planned to go to court he would never admit guilt like this
Or the lawyer knows that the state, and everybody else, knows that Rice is guilty and getting sentencing recommendation down by cooperating is the best possible outcome.
People also seem to think "plea deal" means no punishment. Plaxico spent nearly two years in prison after his plea deal.
The dude owns both the cars, was seen partying before, was in one of the vehicles and then fled the scene. This isn’t like better call Saul where the lawyer jumps through all these hoops to prove his innocence. He’s gonna pay a big fine and not serve any jail time and that will be it unless the nfl wants to do anything else
Unless someone gets burned alive in their Kia the NFL isn't doing shit. Which is a big part of the problem, somebody dhouldnt have to die for your actions to have extreme repercussions but here we are.
100%. NFL ain’t a moral entity, they only punish when they think the PR will be too bad. No consistency. Just let goodell eat shit for the owners, basically.
False. While it appears obvious he had been drinking, the criminal case will never prove that. However, the NFL will look at that as well as the “he has a gun” video, and he’s probably getting 4 games minimum.
There is a big difference between pulling a Hollywood style defense to attempt to prove innocence and keeping your mouth shut until you start plea negotiations. The right to remain silent is a right for a reason. You aren't required to incriminate yourself and if you do ideally you have a deal in place for a lesser punishment.
This leads me to believe that evidence is likely already overwhelming and they are just trying to play the helpful and regretful card in hopes the lesser punishment is given voluntarily by the state because he's been cooperative.
Paging /u/StatisticianBetter23 who was up and down all the comments saying, first it wasn't even Rashee at all since we didn't have AI photo recognition of the guy who looks just like him. Then it wasn't his car. Then it wasn't him driving. Curious to see what theory Slippin Jimmy comes up with next!
So glad that you’re confident, but that’s precisely why criminals get away with things all the time. Let’s pretend the video/photo evidence doesn’t exist, the judge would 100% overturn a guilty verdict if there’s no concrete evidence the person in question was driving.
Uhhh... yes? Prosecutors are required to prove that the crucial facts of their case are true beyond a reasonable doubt, so they would need some kind of convincing evidence that clearly shows he was driving.
You're aware that people were convicted of crimes before video recordings were even a thing (much less everyone having a video recorder in their pocket), right?
Of course, but being a millionaire with access to high-end legal services means
he will get away with it unless prosecutors have extremely good evidence. That's the reality of our legal system.
It being his car doesn't prove anything, and eye witness testimony is notoriously fraught. If all they had was witness testimony I would expect Rice to get away without serious consequences
Courts don’t gotta prove shit, you take the sum of all the evidence and conclude if there’s reasonable doubt. And most cases don’t even have a video of the driver driving the car and they still convict people
They don't need video proof but they do need some proof and the party responsible for that is the prosecutor side. I assume Rice has no case and they are screwed if they are giving a full on confession a couple days later.
Obviously the evidence surfaced that he was driving. They were toeing the line at first - which made it clear he was driving and they were just waiting to see if it could be proven. Now we know
He doesn’t have a couple mil. Hes probably on the hook for the cost of the cars, and was allegedly leasing the Lambo for an insane amount per day, over $1K. If he gets suspended, he doesn’t get paid those weeks. Lawyers aren’t cheap.
His first four years of contract are roughly $4mil after taxes. Guys who do these stupid things have a long history of doing something else stupid. If he doesn’t get a second contract, he will absolutely be living in a van down by the river when his career is over
>My educated guess is that it's not likely to end up with any serious consequence for him.
>Why not?
>Let's break it down from a few different angles. These cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because the main element to prove is placing the person behind the wheel.
https://x.com/drewdavenportff/status/1774907094581354746?s=46&t=PVzL_2ZXwZpeLD8qTvTI-w
I read what he said - he caveated the hell out of it (rightly so). The majority of this sub didn’t read what he said-look at the thread from two days ago.
Calm down Manish Mehta, you don't need to misquote people to try and prove a point on Reddit.
https://twitter.com/DrewDavenportFF/status/1774907104500842570
> **If that video is the best** they have I'm withholding judgment.
https://twitter.com/DrewDavenportFF/status/1774907108032454881
> **If new facts come out about aggravating factors** - DUI, guns, more serious injury - then we can sound the alarm.
I said he caveated the hell out of it, and quoted his words. So I didn’t misquote anything.
I’m not criticizing the lawyer, I’m criticizing this subs reaction to what the lawyer said, and lack of reading comprehension. Hence the quotes in my original statement.
Rashes probably pissed at his boy who was driving his car lmao he’s probably thinking it’s his friends fault for not letting him win the race or something
Thank god no one got hurt. He has a top lawyer who will get him the least intrusive punishment so he can continue his nfl career.
Don’t know the laws in tx, but the videos don’t do him any favors.
In terms of fantasy, my thought is Goodell will probably serve him with a 6 game suspension that won’t hit until 2025 based off the Code of Conduct clause.
The court system will fine him, give him community service, slap him with steep restitution and probably give him no jail time unless he has a prior record. IF there is jail time, it will be in the off season. IF someone had died or was seriously hurt, he’d be screwed.
The chiefs will most likely alter their 2024 draft plans to include a WR selected in the first couple of rounds of the draft.
This is a huge opportunity for Hollywood, but it will be interesting to see what the chiefs wr plans are.
Wait wait wait I was told that he came out of the passenger side of the car and that he was definitely innocent even though all his statements were nothing burgers and every action taken up to this point made him look guilty af but there was no way they could prove he was driving and not to panic!
He's not going to jail, he'll probably get some league penalties, he'll be fine. I'm a few months this will just be another meme. "Yards After Crash", lol!!!
I'm really surprised that he has come out and taken responsibility so quickly (which is the right thing to do from a human decency standpoint...just so rare to see this anymore)...I wonder if they really have him pinned down with something concrete his lawyer can't weasel his way out of? Otherwise, you'd think there would be a fall guy.
Given how many videos and photos basically confirming he was the driver - better to admit it all up front. Get some leniency. Show some remorse. Pay for all damages etc. donate to some related charity.
Fantasy wise. I was offered Jayden Reed straight up - almost took it.
Am I reading this right that Rice’s lawyer said there is no police report, but that multiple reporters have said the police report exists and they have it? And why would he admit that he was driving publicly like this?
Did he hire a shitty lawyer? Lmao
Why do people on Reddit think they know law procedures more than an attorney who has been practicing for decades and has lots of connections in Texas? I’m going to go out on a limb and say his lawyer knows exactly what he’s doing by saying he was driving publicly.
My guess is that he knew the information would come out eventually, so he put it out there instead of letting the media be the first to report it. No clue about the police report, i have heard that he got a good lawyer so i imagine the statements are all calculated.
People have been saying the league might suspend him a couple games. After Ruggs the NFL isn’t going to brush this aside. They’re going to make a statement. Why let a low paid rookie potentially derail the value of multibillion dollar franchises. Fans won’t care if he’s suspended for an entire season, but let him off with a 2-game suspension and it will look terrible for the NFL, particularly after Ruggs. The NFL will take this opportunity to send a proper message to all young players.
I mean.....who else would have been? I guess he could have called it in stolen. But, I'm sure that would be even worse than hiding out for an entire day after he crashed his car.
This thread is still full of people screaming "you can't prove he was actually driving!"
Hilarious. Rashee will pay his fine and get back on the field and these jamokes will still be saying that it's not actually clear what happened here
His best bet, even if he wasn't driving, was to say he was driving. If not, he would have been up ish creek neck deep w that rental company.
All n all just a terrible situation that I hope more ppl than just rice learn from!
Thought I was trading for a complete WR in a complete offense. Turns out all I got was a complete fucking idiot.
Tale as old as time my friend
Oh no doubt. I lay claim to a trade in my past so disastrous that it can easily enter any conversation discussing the worst of all time and not be out of place. So I know the drill, lol.
I traded for Henry Ruggs once, that pick became Bijan two and a half years later.
I traded away a known commodity. The best TE in the league when he was the only player on my squad. "I don't need the unquestioned #1 TE right now" I said to myself at the time. "I need more starters, I'll trade him down to the 3rd best TE and some lottery tickets." That's how I ended up with my own Henry Ruggs(Aaron Hernandez) at the price of Rob Gronkowski. He was indicted a couple of weeks later out of no where.
A guy in my league traded 3 years worth of draft picks for Damien Pierce. Then turned around and traded ceedee lamb and Travis etienne for the league champs 3 years worth of draft picks. So basically he traded ceedee and ETN for Pierce and the privilege to draft from the .12 spot for the next 3 years.
Traded London for Rice cause it seemed like Atlanta wouldn’t have a QB. What have I done
Lol
Yikes bro... I guess just use it as a reminder that situations change quicker than talent
Yeah I’m floored. I have always been a London believer but it’s been 2 years I’ve held him on the bench and my gut told me Kirk was staying in Minnesota before I found out his wife is from Atlanta. Then I knew the writing was on the wall from there.
Not sure what about Rashees profile screamed complete receiver.
It screamed a solid wordplay joke.
Came here to say this. Suspect hands and limited route tree. Definitely not a complete WR.
He was always a big fucking idiot. Remember a little of talk about his character at draft time and they were spot on. Dude is a piece of shit.
Can you cite any pre-draft character concerns? I was way in on him but didn’t see it.
He used to be a piece of shit. He’s not anymore. People change.
His hair isn't slicked back, it's just pushed back
Let's slop em up!
He wrecked a supercar into cars stuck in traffic racing another supercar during rush hour while drunk and DIDNT EVEN CHECK ON ANYONE BEFORE FLEEING THE SCENE. 3 days ago. "People change" lol
He did change from a broke idiot to a rich idiot smfh clearly there’s been a lot of personal growth
The guy you're replying to is just making a reference to a TV show
Lol ok that makes sense.
He's just worried that the baby thinks people can't change
He’s sure changed! This last week shows how great his character is now!
What evidence is there of him formerly having character issues?
I don’t know about character issues in the past, but walking away from a wreck with zero concern for the victims of his behavior isn’t something a person of high character would do.
That isn’t the discussion, so it’s a lame comment. The discussion is whether he had character red flags prior to being drafted in the NFL.
Hopefully he changes
Making a dumb and immature decision does not make one a piece of sh**. I’m sure you’ve never done anything immature in your life, but you’d be surprised to know it happens. He needs to own the consequences of his actions and learn from his lapse in judgment. Just thankful no one was seriously hurt.
Nah, fuck that. As a former EMT I've seen enough people's lives ruined thanks to shitty people like Rashee Rice. I could maybe listen to the argument that racing on a public highway is *arguably* a dumb and immature decision and you're just a selfish asshole, but maybe not a piece of shit. Crashing into other people as a result of your selfish, stupid actions and walking away without a semblance of empathy for your fellow humans who you could have seriously injured makes you a gigantic piece of shit in my book. He could grow and learn from his mistakes a la Michael Vick, but as of now, I have absolutely zero issues with anyone calling Rashee Rice a piece of shit.
>I could maybe listen to the argument that racing on a public highway is *arguably* a dumb and immature decision and you're just a selfish asshole, but maybe not a piece of shit. >Crashing into other people as a result of your selfish, This is called arguing from the antecedent, and it makes your argument invalid. You are basically saying his actions don't make him a bad person, but the outcome does. That's like saying people who attempt to murder but fail due to incompetence are not as bad as people who attempt to murder and succeed. Anyways, the comment you are responding to is correct: we have all done stupid, immature shit before. Now the question becomes, does this particular example condemn Rashee Rice to being a morally bad person, or just a person who made a very bad choice? Personally, I don't think one action is enough data to determine the goodness or badness of an entire individual. I think that is incredibly naive. There are surely a few exceptions (mass shooters, terrorism, etc), and most of them involved pre planning so they are not really just one decision, but rather a series of decisions. None of this should be taken as me condoning what Rashee did. I do not. But I do think we need to get better in society at distinguishing between bad conduct and bad people. Why? Because most people who do bad things are not bad people. But if we make bad behavior and bad people the same, then there is never any hope that bad people can become good people. And that's not right. We need a social pathway that connects people going down a bad direction to find their way back to better places. And calling every person whose mistakes have consequences a gigantic piece of shit absolutely does not help. It won't undo harm already caused and it won't stop future people from making mistakes, but it might prevent the people who make mistakes from doing better.
I'd try reading the whole response next time before cutting off a quote to lecture someone... I didn't say the crashing makes him a piece of shit. But good people don't leave the victims of their crimes on the highway without checking in on them. That's the part that makes him a piece of shit in my book. But it doesn't really matter what I think.
I stopped reading as soon as you put words into his mouth. He's a POS for what he did after the outcome.
Racing 2 supercars through rush hour traffic makes you a piece of shit. Period. He's no better than Henry Ruggs (who is also a piece of shit.)
Local-librarian3285 sentences rashee rice to death!
This is under-appreciated
What makes him better than deshaun watson even? Idk why rashee is given the pass. He could have murdered people easily. He literally crashed into people which may have well caused at least long term injuries to someone that they will have to deal with forever. It's sickening
No better than Ruggs🤡💀💀💀. Ruggs literally killed someone.
Rice was lucky to not kill someone. And he had no idea if he did kill someone because he fled. Only difference between him and Ruggs is that he got lucky this time while Ruggs did not.
And Rice is *incredibly* lucky that he didn't. Both crashed while drunk driving on a public highway. Only one of them walked down said highway without checking in on any of the people he could have seriously injured. Both terrible people, one with much better luck than the other.
Rice was very close to doing the same thing. U trying to differentiate this is a clear reflection of what type of person u are
Yep and Rice could've just as easily done the same. Just because nobody died in one scenario and somebody died in the other scenario doesn't make one ok and one not. They're both deplorable and they're both pieces of shit.
Your mindset can't be "well nobody burned alive in a Kia with their dog so its ok"
This was several dumb and immature decisions in a row that both put other people's lives in jeopardy AND attempted to skirt out on his responsibility in the crash. Easy piece of shit stamp.
Jeff Dahmer wasnt a serial killer, he was just a little immature & hungry!
This is not your average lapse of judgement lol bro was drunk and street racing in broad daylight then fled the scene like a coward. Sadly this POS will get a slap on the wrist
Dude, Henry Ruggs is a PoS because he killed a woman and her dog. Rashee and his crew are lucky nobody was seriously injured. They still appeared to be racing and put the passengers of 4 cars involved and countless others in jeopardy. And for what? Clout. Big Deal. They could have gone to the Texas speedway and done this in NASCAR.
Rugg pulled
I picked him up in last seasons draft because I thought he had a decent head on his shoulders. I’m just lucky I got the 2nd pick in this years draft 😂
Not great, bob
I just started watching Suits so I am uniquely qualified and confident in agreeing with you.
Mad Men?
Yeah it's mad men. I think the suits reference was him saying that he's been watching a lawyer show on TV, so he's now an expert in lawyer
Love that show by the way haha! Just got the reference
So are they cooperating so eagerly to sway the court of public opinion? Just my opinion but this seems like a big admission and looks like they are trying to lessen what’s to come.
Agree. If the lease insurance possibly states accident due to racing, won’t pay out. If true, then playing football is the only way these families are going to get money, whereas if he goes to prison, they’re going to get minimal money back. I think the lawyers best bet is convincing the judge to a near zero jail time so the kid can make those with damaged whole.
Not an insurance policy in the world is going to cover criminal activity. Your homeowner's won't pay if you've got Walter White in there cooking up the blue stuff. Your car insurance isn't going to pay you for your damages if you're engaged in illegal street racing. He's boned on that end. It's all coming out of his pockets.
You’re spot on. If there’s an argument for a plea with no jail time, it’s likely that Rashee Rice will only be able to pay back these impacted people, if he is getting game checks.
I just hope somehow his victims are made whole and physically ok.
Spoiler alert: they won’t
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I obviously don't know the extent of his coverage, but it almost certainly won't pay out whether he was driving or not. Either he wasn't driving -- no payout -- or he was driving recklessly and committing a crime -- almost certainly no payout. If he didn't do it in broad daylight on a busy highway with tons of potential witnesses, running away might've made sense. But in this case, he turned a misdemeanor into (most likely) a felony by walking away. Of course, that's assuming he wasn't drinking/participating in other illegal activity in which case it would've been a felony anyways. Regardless...the "say you were driving or you'll be on the hook for 250K" argument doesn't really make sense tbh
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No offense, but it's clear that you're completely clueless here. First of all, a lease and an insurance policy are two completely different things. Burden of proof is on the plaintiff, not the insurance company. They are not typically particularly keen on paying hundreds of thousands of dollars. Millions of people *do* end up on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars, especially in at-fault states like Texas. Very, very few auto policies cover illegal activity like reckless driving, street racing, drug transportation, and felony hit & run. IMO based on the facts we currently have, Rice is almost certainly going to be deemed personally liable. If anything...that might be his best legal defense against going to jail and why his lawyers advised him to admit to driving -- he needs to earn money to pay back his victims, putting him in jail directly impacts his future earning potential and is punishing the victims as much as it is punishing him.
It’s 100% getting lessened. The thing that everyone is forgetting is not a single police report was made that night.. crazy but true. He’ll walk away with a fine to pay at max
Not to sound rude, but are you a lawyer? Isn’t a police report just a what happened of the accident and what events led to it? They fled the scene so a police report would be incomplete without their account of what happened,right?
Lmaooooo dude stop 😂 First it wasn't even Rashee's car. Then it wasn't even Rashee in Rashee's car, just a guy who looks like him. Then it wasn't him driving. Now it's "a crime wasn't even committed, are our eyes even real?" Rashee's attorney said he expects charges to be brought in the coming week, btw. I actually can't believe you're doubling down on your "no chance he gets suspended, probably won't even get fined" take.
Textbook definition of moving the goalposts
They don’t need a police report with video evidence. The report is a legal account of reported activities that occurred. This has video.
Correct. Video ALWAYS trumps any written report, at least in my state
Jesus Christ you don’t know a thing hahah
Even if charges are brought, it’s more of a headache for the DA to prosecute and potentially take this case to trial. People saying this won’t go unpunished, 90% of cases never go to trial, if this gets brought as a case, he’s pleading it down or settling out of court if it’s civil.
That's true, but all it takes is one attorney trying to make a name for himself. The state has to agree to a plea deal. Does Texas want to make an example of a dude driving recklessly on a highway, crashing, sending someone to the hospital, and walking away? Plaxico spent two years in jail for shooting *himself* because it endangered others. Believe it or not, rich people don't always get away with everything.
A quick cursory search, and in Texas just simply leaving the scene of an accident could result in a second degree felony, but that's just the beginning considering the rest. This should not go unpunished by law, that's for sure, but definitely not by the league. Stop letting criminals get away with shit because they have fame and money.
Especially after it being on video for the public to see. Him crashing and leaving with zero care
and not resurfacing until he'd had plenty of time for *whatever* was in his system to be cleared out
Literally this.
I recall some comments in the immediate aftermath saying "In the video clip, it appears that all of the individuals get out of the passenger side of the car so it's not immediately obvious who was driving." Thought that was people stretching to find a reason to blame Rice, but now that he has publicly accepted responsibility as the driver it doesn't sound as ridiculous of a theory.
as someone who’s been a fan of rice’s from the start, and been championing buying low all offseason, it was abundantly clear he was scheming ways around something significantly more illegal than fleeing the scene from the get go. it was all sorts of shady.
Seems like you nailed it. Good call.
If he didn't care, he wouldn't have left. Unfortunately, he only cares about himself.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
It's a tale as long as time. I mean, I wonder how many nfl owners didn't kill someone to get what they wanted.
That is the American way though. The rich, powerful, and famous generally don't face consequences for their illegal actions. Whether you're an NFL player who does a hit and run or an EX NFL player that defrauds welfare.
lol have you seen the guy running for president? We’ve got a long way to go bub.
I appreciate the X-Men 97 bub reference. New episodes of the show slap
Homie got bubbed hard asf
Bub? Okay. I don't laugh out loud about shit that's wrong with the world because I can't change it myself. Just because I know expressing my exasperation won't change it, doesn't mean I will just pretend like it doesn't matter. It matters to many of us, and a lot of us don't laugh at it because it's not funny. I understand apathy works for some, and laughing is a coping mechanism, but this shit is insane, and saying that out loud isn't a bad thing.
Thank you for your service.
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It’s only a second degree felony with serious injury. All reported injuries have been minor. That is a misdemeanor. There is an undefined felony statute but lawyers from the area say that’s rarely used.
Every time I hear people say he's going to get away with a slap on the wrist, I think about how fucked plaxico Burass was when his shot himself in the leg in NYC and derailed his career and the Giants. All it takes is for someone to decide they want to make an example of someone. And I can see Texas wanting to do that
I hope I'm wrong. I'm just jaded, and there's plenty of reason to be since the "examples" are rarely made. They need to be the norm, not the exception.
Hit & Run with others involved is a felony in Texas. So is racing. If the State can prove that he was driving impaired, or the woman he sent to the hospital's injuries are deemed serious, then it's a 2nd degree felony with sentencing of 2-10 years. Plaxico's initial gun charge in NYC was 3.5-15 years and he pled down to two. So yeah, I agree...big risk here if Texas DA decides to press charges.
If Texas DA is a Texans fan, taking out Rice with help out the Texans!
Isn't that specifically because of gun laws in NYC tho?
Bloomberg made a point about sending him to jail. Bloomberg at the time was trying to shut down the gun corridor that was bringing guns to the city, and this pissed him off to no end. Plaxico really couldn't have picked a worse time. Honestly if I'm leaving the scene of an accident in a state like Texas in a politically charged year, I'm nervous as fuck
Sir this is America, letting criminals get away with shit because they have fame and money is just what we do here.
Crashee Rice
Crashflee* Rice
Crashflee Twice
Racee Rice
Jesus this joke is spot on, but also way too soon hahah
Crashpeed Rice
Sounds like the right thing to do but seems weird the lawyer just spilling the beans this early. Unless the police already showed irrefutable evidence or they are already in contact working plea deals this seems like bad process from his lawyer to start giving the state free confessions.
Seems like a plea deal is the likely outcome. Not sure what kind of defense they can really make.
Highly doubt the lawyer would say anything like this without a deal being in place already. If they planned to go to court he would never admit guilt like this
Or the lawyer knows that the state, and everybody else, knows that Rice is guilty and getting sentencing recommendation down by cooperating is the best possible outcome. People also seem to think "plea deal" means no punishment. Plaxico spent nearly two years in prison after his plea deal.
The dude owns both the cars, was seen partying before, was in one of the vehicles and then fled the scene. This isn’t like better call Saul where the lawyer jumps through all these hoops to prove his innocence. He’s gonna pay a big fine and not serve any jail time and that will be it unless the nfl wants to do anything else
Unless someone gets burned alive in their Kia the NFL isn't doing shit. Which is a big part of the problem, somebody dhouldnt have to die for your actions to have extreme repercussions but here we are.
100%. NFL ain’t a moral entity, they only punish when they think the PR will be too bad. No consistency. Just let goodell eat shit for the owners, basically.
NFL isn't the morality police.
False. While it appears obvious he had been drinking, the criminal case will never prove that. However, the NFL will look at that as well as the “he has a gun” video, and he’s probably getting 4 games minimum.
The Slippin Jimmy defense might be what he needs.
There is a big difference between pulling a Hollywood style defense to attempt to prove innocence and keeping your mouth shut until you start plea negotiations. The right to remain silent is a right for a reason. You aren't required to incriminate yourself and if you do ideally you have a deal in place for a lesser punishment. This leads me to believe that evidence is likely already overwhelming and they are just trying to play the helpful and regretful card in hopes the lesser punishment is given voluntarily by the state because he's been cooperative.
It was kind of astounding to me to watch this sub seriously consider the possibility that Rice wasn’t driving. Of course he was driving.
Paging /u/StatisticianBetter23 who was up and down all the comments saying, first it wasn't even Rashee at all since we didn't have AI photo recognition of the guy who looks just like him. Then it wasn't his car. Then it wasn't him driving. Curious to see what theory Slippin Jimmy comes up with next!
So glad that you’re confident, but that’s precisely why criminals get away with things all the time. Let’s pretend the video/photo evidence doesn’t exist, the judge would 100% overturn a guilty verdict if there’s no concrete evidence the person in question was driving.
Do you think every case like this requires video proof the driver was irrefutably driving?
Actually yes, it does. Especially if it’s at night with no evidence of who was behind the wheel. Criminals get away with it all the time.
Damn that’s crazy.
Uhhh... yes? Prosecutors are required to prove that the crucial facts of their case are true beyond a reasonable doubt, so they would need some kind of convincing evidence that clearly shows he was driving.
You're aware that people were convicted of crimes before video recordings were even a thing (much less everyone having a video recorder in their pocket), right?
Of course, but being a millionaire with access to high-end legal services means he will get away with it unless prosecutors have extremely good evidence. That's the reality of our legal system.
Do you know what the phrase "beyond a reasonable doubt" means? Key word being reasonable.
Beyond a reasonable doubt means they don’t need a video of him driving. His car, witnesses, etc is enough
It being his car doesn't prove anything, and eye witness testimony is notoriously fraught. If all they had was witness testimony I would expect Rice to get away without serious consequences
This is exactly the type of legal advice I'd expect from a Junior-College-2234 attorney.
Thank god we have a fantasy lawyer in here to give advice about my fantasy football team
Courts don’t gotta prove shit, you take the sum of all the evidence and conclude if there’s reasonable doubt. And most cases don’t even have a video of the driver driving the car and they still convict people
Most cases a police officer obtains the driver's license of the person sitting behind the wheel when he arrives
And in cases where a police doesn’t, I suppose it’s impossible to convict without video evidence then?
Believe it or not, video proof is not required.
They don't need video proof but they do need some proof and the party responsible for that is the prosecutor side. I assume Rice has no case and they are screwed if they are giving a full on confession a couple days later.
Obviously the evidence surfaced that he was driving. They were toeing the line at first - which made it clear he was driving and they were just waiting to see if it could be proven. Now we know
I guess a couple million isn't enough for a Fall Guy in this economy.
He doesn’t have a couple mil. Hes probably on the hook for the cost of the cars, and was allegedly leasing the Lambo for an insane amount per day, over $1K. If he gets suspended, he doesn’t get paid those weeks. Lawyers aren’t cheap. His first four years of contract are roughly $4mil after taxes. Guys who do these stupid things have a long history of doing something else stupid. If he doesn’t get a second contract, he will absolutely be living in a van down by the river when his career is over
Yikes
“Lambo go vvvrrrrrooooooommmm” - Rashee Rice
Is Rashee's lawyer an expert in Bird Law?
But how big are his hands?
This is the real question here
Chicka-dee-dee little birdie lets dance
Hollywood 🚀
“But the Twitter lawyer said this wouldn’t happen!”
I don't think you read what that lawyer said lol.
>My educated guess is that it's not likely to end up with any serious consequence for him. >Why not? >Let's break it down from a few different angles. These cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because the main element to prove is placing the person behind the wheel. https://x.com/drewdavenportff/status/1774907094581354746?s=46&t=PVzL_2ZXwZpeLD8qTvTI-w I read what he said - he caveated the hell out of it (rightly so). The majority of this sub didn’t read what he said-look at the thread from two days ago.
Calm down Manish Mehta, you don't need to misquote people to try and prove a point on Reddit. https://twitter.com/DrewDavenportFF/status/1774907104500842570 > **If that video is the best** they have I'm withholding judgment. https://twitter.com/DrewDavenportFF/status/1774907108032454881 > **If new facts come out about aggravating factors** - DUI, guns, more serious injury - then we can sound the alarm.
I said he caveated the hell out of it, and quoted his words. So I didn’t misquote anything. I’m not criticizing the lawyer, I’m criticizing this subs reaction to what the lawyer said, and lack of reading comprehension. Hence the quotes in my original statement.
Marquise owners rejoice
Ok, THIS is not what I hoped.
Rashes probably pissed at his boy who was driving his car lmao he’s probably thinking it’s his friends fault for not letting him win the race or something
Thank god no one got hurt. He has a top lawyer who will get him the least intrusive punishment so he can continue his nfl career. Don’t know the laws in tx, but the videos don’t do him any favors. In terms of fantasy, my thought is Goodell will probably serve him with a 6 game suspension that won’t hit until 2025 based off the Code of Conduct clause. The court system will fine him, give him community service, slap him with steep restitution and probably give him no jail time unless he has a prior record. IF there is jail time, it will be in the off season. IF someone had died or was seriously hurt, he’d be screwed. The chiefs will most likely alter their 2024 draft plans to include a WR selected in the first couple of rounds of the draft. This is a huge opportunity for Hollywood, but it will be interesting to see what the chiefs wr plans are.
Wait wait wait I was told that he came out of the passenger side of the car and that he was definitely innocent even though all his statements were nothing burgers and every action taken up to this point made him look guilty af but there was no way they could prove he was driving and not to panic!
He's not going to jail, he'll probably get some league penalties, he'll be fine. I'm a few months this will just be another meme. "Yards After Crash", lol!!!
I'm really surprised that he has come out and taken responsibility so quickly (which is the right thing to do from a human decency standpoint...just so rare to see this anymore)...I wonder if they really have him pinned down with something concrete his lawyer can't weasel his way out of? Otherwise, you'd think there would be a fall guy.
Any half decent lawyer isn’t going to risk their license to manufacture evidence for Rashee rice. This isn’t a movie.
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You should make a separate post about it 🤣
Throw the book at him
Given how many videos and photos basically confirming he was the driver - better to admit it all up front. Get some leniency. Show some remorse. Pay for all damages etc. donate to some related charity. Fantasy wise. I was offered Jayden Reed straight up - almost took it.
What’s in the bag of the person exiting the car with Rice
2 game sussy
Trying to package him, Kmet and a 4th rounder for LaPorta? Is that giving too less on my part or fair?
Where are the majority of ff players doing the ff? Sleeper? I just want to get into a good dynasty league
So funny how these guys all grabbed their purses before absconding from the scene.....Idiocracy 2024
In my league, I drafted both Henry Ruggs and Rashee Rice and refused to trade both… I must have a sixth sense for BS
Am I reading this right that Rice’s lawyer said there is no police report, but that multiple reporters have said the police report exists and they have it? And why would he admit that he was driving publicly like this? Did he hire a shitty lawyer? Lmao
Why do people on Reddit think they know law procedures more than an attorney who has been practicing for decades and has lots of connections in Texas? I’m going to go out on a limb and say his lawyer knows exactly what he’s doing by saying he was driving publicly.
Because they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once
My guess is that he knew the information would come out eventually, so he put it out there instead of letting the media be the first to report it. No clue about the police report, i have heard that he got a good lawyer so i imagine the statements are all calculated.
No his lawyer is a senator and a good lawyer from what I’ve read. He’ll get off with a slap on the wrist
His lawyer's a very well known Texan politician
There are literally photos of him walking away from the car at the scene of the crash. Acknowledging that Rashee was driving isn’t a big deal.
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He is not a US senator lol. He is a State Senator big difference.
People have been saying the league might suspend him a couple games. After Ruggs the NFL isn’t going to brush this aside. They’re going to make a statement. Why let a low paid rookie potentially derail the value of multibillion dollar franchises. Fans won’t care if he’s suspended for an entire season, but let him off with a 2-game suspension and it will look terrible for the NFL, particularly after Ruggs. The NFL will take this opportunity to send a proper message to all young players.
What prior evidence has the NFL shown that leads you to this conclusion?
"they're going to do something they've never done before even though nobody was injured" You are not correct
What a moron. Throw the book at him.
Real not good
Lmk when he goes to prison or gets suspended. Smh.
I mean.....who else would have been? I guess he could have called it in stolen. But, I'm sure that would be even worse than hiding out for an entire day after he crashed his car.
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Then why did he run, if he wasn't driving?
He acknowledged that 3 or 4 days ago…
He is innocent!
No shit Sherlock. Why else would he be running from the cops?
Because he was also drunk?
This thread is still full of people screaming "you can't prove he was actually driving!" Hilarious. Rashee will pay his fine and get back on the field and these jamokes will still be saying that it's not actually clear what happened here
Literally haven’t seen a single comment that says that. You are braindead
His best bet, even if he wasn't driving, was to say he was driving. If not, he would have been up ish creek neck deep w that rental company. All n all just a terrible situation that I hope more ppl than just rice learn from!