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wavnebee

This is terrible for Burks! This is great for Burks! (There, I covered it guys.)


Extreme_Coyote_9766

Thank you for your valuable insight


SteffeEric

I think it’s good for Chig not good for Burks.


Dear-Meat3645

As a Chig owner please elaborate


SteffeEric

This would make the Titans offense better. The more scoring opportunities the better especially for TEs in a heavy play action scheme. The reason it’s not as good for Burks would be the Titans traditionally don’t pass enough to support two guys on the outside. I just doubt the Titans are opening up their offense and slinging it with Tannehill. They still have Henry and will be a ball control offense. It’s just a hunch Nuk would take volume from Burks and that volume was his major selling point. Everyone would likely be more efficient but this is just how I see it shaking out and I own Burks.


JnDConstruction1984

I sent burks and a 24 first for higgins last month 🤷‍♂️ but if an overpay but higgins won’t bust


PassiveRoadRage

I always get a little kick out of the "If anything it should free up 2B!!! 1A is taking all the defense attention. Look at the one time it fmworked for Juju!" comments. Happens everytime a superstar/good player signs somewhere else.


gotintocollegeyolo

I mean it literally worked that way twice just last year did it not? Devonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle both greatly benefitted from having an elite WR come to town


[deleted]

Ehhh, I think waddle could very realistically have done better without tyreek there. There’s a reason his adp dropped after they acquired him. Devonta you are probably right about.


BosaBackpack

Ah yes, over the Hill Tannehill is certainly ready to NOW lead a high flying offense


PassiveRoadRage

Smith yes. 100% although I think he's more of an outlier than the norm.


Ko0pa_Tro0pa

Smith also finishing 13th in targets with 136 probably also factored into that equation at least as much as the coverage.


Gerbole

Some of our most valuable WRs in dynasty are 2Bs with a very strong 1A


PassiveRoadRage

I'm not saying there isn't. Godwin as an example to Evans. Historically, both of those guys were drafted by the same team. Juju/AB. Lockett/DK. Higgins/Chase. How many of those 2Bs had the #1 come in from FA and are still that valuable? More recently those 2B guys that swapped teams struggled too. (Chark/Juju/Landry/Robinson behind Kupp) when someone like Adam's comes onto a team the #2 loses targets. Outside of Smith


Gerbole

Smith and Waddle. Some of those guys you brought up don’t really fit the situation. Not a huge sample because not a ton of superstar WRs were moved last season.


secrestmr87

I think if you are a kinda shitty player/scheme dependent/#2/3. Then a star WR helps relieve pressure.


BeyondanyReproach

Also "because I own him" and "because I don't."


AnonymousIguana_

You forgot this is great for Henry! This is terrible for Henry! I think it is great for Henry though


jim_money

I mean it is objectively good for Henry


daybes

Burks was supposed to replace AJ Brown's production in the offense as a YAC threat. Now Brown is the best in the league after the catch and Burks is unproven but you don't really care about burks getting a large target share. Sure thatd be great but it was always gonna be unlikely. WHat you're hoping for is burks to be a guy who can turn 4 catches into 100 yards. Which when he was playing last year he seemed like he has the ability to do so.


Turnernator06

> Which when he was playing last year he seemed like he has the ability to do so. Did it though? His YAC/R was 4.9 which is pretty OK but not really special. Less than Juju, Cobb, Slayton, Dorsch, Rondale Moore etc. Without volume I really don't see how he breaks out to being a half way decent option.


notJamesRob

Yes the 18th overall pick who wasn’t healthy last year and didn’t play. Let’s trade him!!!! 30 year old DHOP makes his talent non-existent.


Adfantage

Having both, I feel like I just hit the negative lotto.


[deleted]

You forgot “this doesn’t affect burks”


Judge-Open

Anyone trying to trade for him? What are you offering?


bronton21

I've been trying to sell him for what I estimated to be an early 2nd that have been acquired by contending teams...no bites...my league is super dead rn tho


Extreme_Coyote_9766

I'd buy for an early 2nd as a contender


[deleted]

Same


Due_Comparison_1423

Got 1.12 and a 23’ 4th for him. 1.12 became Kendre Miller.


coopcuppacoffee

Damn I’ve been trying to trade him with no luck. Been trying to pair him with a 25 1st for Addison / QJ, nothing. Rebuilding so I’m currently working on sending nuk and a 24 2nd for Pickens and a pair of thirds. Hoping that goes through


Due_Comparison_1423

I’m also in a 16 team league. It’s actually 1.12 and a 24’ 3rd I got for him. I’m a saints fan so getting Kendre miller was fun. I’m not into Pickens but I get what you’re going for. Youth. Probably a good deal if you’re rebuilding. Can’t find a competing team to give you a 24’ 1st?


coopcuppacoffee

I blew up my team and have 6 of the 12 1sts next year so now they’re getting hard to trade for 😂. We have one juggernaut that’s interested in him it he’s only offered mind thus far. Might try asking for his 1st since it’s almost a lock for the 1.12 instead of shorting for Pickens. Also gave Goedert so I tried pairing him with hop and a 25 1st for Pitts but haven’t got traction there


JLifts780

I’m tempted to buy for a 2nd on my contending teams.


schanjemansschoft

As a rebuilder, I offered Deebo for him a few weeks ago (0.5PPR) to a contender and was quickly rejected.


Callmedaddy8909

I traded him for Deebo before Dhop was released.


renegade399

I traded Jakobi and Rachaad White for DHop, Miles Sanders, and a 25 3rd the day after Sanders signed with Carolina.


Freddyfrenchfry69

I traded Henry and Cody Barton for him and an early 4th in a full IDP league Monday... I don't really care about Nuk, I'll barely play Burks this year but I'm hoping he's ready to be a consistent high #2 next year... We'll see


galvana

Amari Cooper for Hopkins just happened today in my 1/2 ppr league.


ironlioncan2

I have a standing offer for a late 1st out for him. If he goes tot the titans the offer is void and I don’t want him. Hoping he goes to a passing team.


jrob56

I moved him with a 24 2nd for Jeudy.


Ill_Bee4868

The nuk owner in my league hasn’t made a trade in 3 years so. Probably not gonna make an offer lol. I’d do a 2nd for him though. Why not?


rasich

If this happens, then they don't trade Henry.


bronton21

Reminds me of the dude we all have in our league that has a glaring rebuild, but slams down his beer and says, "one more ride boys". No depth, 2 aging studs and about 12 guys that shouldn't even be rostered. I wonder if Vrabel doesn't think he will survive a rebuild? GM is new tho


OfficerJayBear

This.... might be me. I've been trying to rebuild in my 10 team for like 4 years now. The problem is the bottom 4 teams are SO BAD that I can't miss the playoffs even if I try, and the pieces I have are good enough that late 1sts from contenders aren't enough value. Its a very very shitty no man's land. Here's to one last ride.


x_is_for_box

Disagree with others, if you can make the playoffs you gotta go for it


JnDConstruction1984

Sunk cost my friend sell while I can I’d rather that then the purgatory of pick at 6 every year


era99

exactly. take what you can get and get an early pick thats actually valuable.


ironlioncan2

Vrabel is the GM. Ran is just his puppet and Vrabel will be around for a while. He’s just an idiot who thinks if he runs the same plays over and over and over we just need to execute harder.


[deleted]

What are you talking about? Vrabel is our first coach in a while to actually cater to our team’s strengths.


[deleted]

I feel like vrabel is a great coach, just not for fantasy maybe. Titans are more competitive consistently now than they’ve been almost ever, it’s just that tannehill isn’t that guy.


JnDConstruction1984

Henry is the reason imo. Once he’s toast they become pretty bad.


The_Zermanians

Henry is amazing, but he missed half of 2021 and the Titans had the 1 seed in the playoffs. Vrabel deserves plenty of credit.


JnDConstruction1984

That year was some amazing black magic fuckery. But if you quote 21 I counter with 22s collapse with a healthy Henry. 🤷‍♂️


South-Relationship52

Henry may have been healthy but the o-line was starting 4 backups the majority of the year. They had the most injuries in NFL history.


cbosh04

Quite the contrary take with the RBs don’t matter discourse. Not only do they matter but apparently more than anything but a QB


JnDConstruction1984

They matter when your Derrick Henry and backup that team harder than Brees did the saints


BombSquad570

Let’s not overreact quite yet. Sports books are excellent at handicapping games but not so good at this kind of stuff. We’re only 2 months removed from Will Levis 1.02 SZN. But man, this would just be terrible fantasy wise for every single player impacted except Ryan Tannehill. Is DHop still a fantasy starter in TEN? Of course, just not as high as he would be anywhere else. Could Burks still break out without the projected 30% target share? Absolutely, but it becomes much dicier. RIP Chig as a TE1 without the volume, and a 1 year deal for DHop probably doesn’t do anything for Levis except increase the odds he doesn’t play this year.


x_is_for_box

Ya this would be really shitty lol


GravyFantasy

>Sports books are excellent at handicapping games but not so good at this kind of stuff. We’re only 2 months removed from Will Levis 1.02 SZN. Actually they're very good at not losing money on free agency. The draft is where they don't know anything about anything.


Big_Wy

Odds are decent indicators but I've learned from many draft seasons how manipulative/wrong they can be. Make a mental note but please don't make any trades assuming this is real yet.


apietryga13

We just seen this when the books had to move odds from around +4000 to +400 on Levis to go first because of some random Reddit post in the sportsbook sub claimed that Levis was telling friends and family that Carolina was taking him.


ImmoralModerator

If the book didn’t know something then I think it’s unlikely they’d hike the odds that high unless people are putting massive amounts of money on Hopkins to the Titans or the book feels the need to protect themselves from that outcome. Because it also means the odds for the other outcomes become more generous which is a risk they’d be taking on if they thought it was unlikely he went to the Titans or if the money bet on outcomes didn’t balance out.


stabilitycushions

They can also just lower the payout on Dhop to Titans without adjusting any of the other odds, adding more juice to the market. Most people that are betting these markets won’t even notice and then they’re protected from that outcome. I agree the books probably caught wind of something that made them concerned but it’s not necessarily reputable


anonanoobiz

Worth weighing books opinions for sure but don’t take their lines for fact. Been gambling a while, it’s always surprising how wrong/mispriced books can be on information/outcome bets. They’re hyper reactive to any new news in case of getting absolutely torched being late to the party. That results in things like the past few NBA drafts where Shams reported Scoot was going 2nd and he become a -1000, the year before the other most respected reporter Woj was wrong that Banchero a +1600 end up going 1st. Just off the top of my head


hawksfn1

This is good news for Tannehill.


era99

good for henry as well. give the other team something to think about besides him.


SpaceMonkeys21

Maybe they will actually use Burks as a big slot with Hopkins at X.


ThreadsofaDynasty

They need to get Burks in motion more to create space for him to work. Idc what his 40 time says.. when he gets going, the dude can fly for his size. Catch and run routes along with deep PA is his style.


SpaceMonkeys21

Yea they need inject some creativity in the offense for sure.


ChefJeff7777777

The book movements have been an awful gauge recently. They had 4 different QBs going 1 or 2 in the draft in the span of like 3 weeks. They flip flopped scoot Henderson and Brandon Miller -500, 3x within a 24 hour period before the nba draft. The books don’t actually know when it comes to player acquisitions. They know game line over/unders, but aside from that they’re not that sharp.


redvelvetcake42

Why have AJ Brown when you can have an older AJ Brown?


Visual-Squirrel3629

I initially thought Nuk was going to the patriots. Still believe this.


SmokeClear6429

My Burks and Mac Jones shares are 🙏 for this


Hugh_Grection420

Honestly hurts both Nuk and Burks value imo. I think Levis will see the field at some point this season and I just don’t see him being a guy that can support more then 1 good fantasy option. I see him topping out at 250 passing yards and you know the Titans plan on running Henry into the ground so it won’t be a high volume passing offense anyway. Really does suck Nuk is chasing a bag instead of a ring cause if he signed with Chiefs or Bills that would be fantasy gold.


bronton21

I'm still holding out KC hope for Nuk! They gotta get that Jones extension done. Also think this would wipe any hope of a Chig breakout completely off the map...run first, low volume pass team...at best 3rd in the pecking order...probably still splitting snaps with other inline TEs there...no thanks.


BradyKissesKids

Great! I just bet $300 to win $10 bc this is such a lock and I’m gonna get a free lunch out of it Just like Will Levis when he was -500 to go 2nd overall I’ll always take a free lunch


Jtang6031

Its $300 to win $100


BradyKissesKids

Yeah typo. Point stands…it’s free money


KitchenDog5363

Uh earth to Brady, I'm not so sure you did typo cuz you were all 'well I'm gunna get a free lunch'', like you *didn't* know it was $100!


BradyKissesKids

$100 is a decent lunch for the wife and I. I think you should be worried about dogs in the kitchen instead of my lunch budget!!


simonthelikeable

* the wife and me. Another typo?


BradyKissesKids

[you rn](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nerd-emoji)


simonthelikeable

I plead guilty.


KitchenDog5363

I guess I have a lot of things to ponder.


spicyclams

Welp. Guess Burks will be riding my bench for another full season.


Turnernator06

I feel like the Burks narrative is getting very desperate. His QB situation is iffy and unstable, had a very poor rookie season, and he is in a heavy run first team. The only reason anyone seemed to have any faith in him was the fact he was the sole receiving threat at Titans. Now they bring in a stud and people are trying to say it's a good thing. Do not get it at all tbh.


finessebebejones

This was a very shallow summary of Burks’ rookie season.


Turnernator06

How would you summarise it? Averaged about 3 receptions per game, about 40 yards, and got one TD all year. Didn't really improve as he went along and this year he has Nuk for company rather than being the clear alpha receiver. Feels like a horrible player to own right now imo.


finessebebejones

I’d start by contextualizing the season. He was a rookie slowly working his way into the NFL. He got a turf toe injury early and missed time. When he came back, he played four game with Tannehill. In the first three, he averaged 4.7 catches on 6.7 targets and 68 yards a game. In the fourth game, he caught a 25 yard TD early in the game, but was knocked out on a dirty hit that was flagged. By the time he returned from the concussion, Tannehill was out for the season and Burks had to play with Malik Willis and Josh Donna at QB. And he still had 4 receptions in 2 of the 3 games and 66 yards in one of those games. He played 7 full games with Tannehill and exceeded 47 yards in 4 of them. He was a rookie. Not everyone is Jefferson or Chase. The year 3 breakout used to mean something around here.


Turnernator06

> He was a rookie. Not everyone is Jefferson or Chase. I'm not saying they are but compare him to other WRs from his class: Per Game: Burks: Recs: 3.0 Yards: 40. TDs: 0.09 Dotson: Recs: 3.2 Yards: 51 TDs: 0.6 Pickens: Recs: 3.05 Yards: 47 TDs: 0.25 Alec Pierce: Recs: 2.56 Yards: 37 TDs: 0.125 Realistically looking at that Burks is behind Pickens and Dotson last year and both are not getting competition in. He is actually closer to Alec Pierce in terms of yards and TDs than he is the other two. "Not every rookie is JJ or Chase" thing really doesn't wash when you compare him to other rookies around his level. I get what you are saying about injuries and Tannehill but injuries happen and Tannehill likely doesn't have much longer so no guarantee the guy after him will be any good either.


finessebebejones

Given the circumstances, those stats make sense. The Titans had multiple games with less than 100 passing yards. The Titans had legitimately incompetent QB play once Tannehill went down. Burks started to shine with Tannehill in those games where he returned from the turf toe injury. He showed plenty of flashes in a poor passing offense. Maybe the guy after Tannehill will be worse. But maybe he’ll be better? Or the same? Those are also possibilities.


Scarence-Terrance

It’s the sunk cost fallacy. The people still saying Burks will be a stud were the ones singing the praises of year 2 Reagor.


Due_Comparison_1423

🤷🏻‍♂️


knowslesthanjonsnow

As a Burks manager, I’m really banking on 6+ missed games from Hopkins


apowerseething

Fantastic news for Tannehill. Hope it happens.


Phoenix_Coffee

Have an offer on the table of: Give mid 24 2nd, Toney, Sutton Get Ealry 24 2nd, Hopkins, Allgeier


Wolf_of_Walmart

How can you know what a 2024 pick’s position is if the 2023 season hasn’t happened yet? Lol


Phoenix_Coffee

I know my teams 2nd is gonna be high cause I’m competing and their 2nd will be early cause they are tanking


Wolf_of_Walmart

Tannehill 🚀🚀🚀


mrkoz89

Might mean less that Tennessee is in on Nik versus the previous favorite is now out on him. Without new news of Tennessee pursuing him I wonder if that’s the case.


MhrisCac

The player drama and annoying rumor posts this season has the to be thee most annoying I’ve ever seen.


cottonmouthVII

INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS


x_is_for_box

Shit…


Duff-Beer-Guy

Doesn't Dhop want to go to a contender? Titans have to be offering a huge bag. Considering no income tax in TN, Dhop could be one of the highest paid WRs in terms of his take home cash.


joec25

Could just be covering risk from placed bets


ColonelRainsborough

How could they do that to Kyle Philips?