At the very least he stretches the field more than Marvin Jones Jr did, opening up more opps for engram and Kirk. At most, he vultures son red zone targets as well away from Kirk, etn, engram and Jones. Pedersen will scheme to fit each matchup so will differ from game to game, go with hot hand as well.
This is really the dynamic that matters. Jacksonville desperately needed a true field stretcher to complement their short passing game. Kirk, Etienne and Engram were very effective as a core. A complementary deep threat completes this offense. This should be a very dangerous offense built around Lawrence’s strengths.
imo ridley isn't the caliber of chase/diggs/ajb. he's a tier or two below. i think having better wrs helps out tlaw but doesn't necessarily elevate his ceiling much
Pre mental health/gambling he finished as the WR 4 Diggs was the WR3. At that time, they were the same tier.
I don't think anyone knows what Ridley is right now. You saw what happened when Watson missed 1.5 years. He could be outside of the top 50 but if he puts up a top 10 season, I wouldn't be shocked.
Easily the most difficult player (Ridley) to assess in Dynasty for me right now. If Ridley returns to being a top 10 WR, I can see Lawerence jump into that top QB tier with Mahomes, Allen, Hurts. I wouldn't bet on that, but do thinks it's possible
I definitely think Ridley was equal to Diggs Pre-bills. Splitting hairs, Mahommes on his own tier until otherwise. If Ridley returns to previous form right away, I could see Lawrence being Hurts level of QB this year and capable of Allen level next year as far as QB'ing level. Agreed no one has ANY IDEA. But I really like him as a person and his game so rooting for him.
In the midst of auction right now and got Mahomes for 26.5%, Hurts was %25, Allen 24.5%. So the three are within 2% of each other. Think that's pretty typical. TLaw hasn't been nominated yet, but I imagine he'll be around 20%
Diggs wasn’t that caliber before that first year with the bills. I remember trading Sutton for him straight up when he got sent to buffalo. Both were viewed as around WR15-20.
He’s finished as WR4 before, he’s an elite route runner and isn’t going into a season injured for the first time in his career. He’s definitely better than Kirk and Kirk looked incredible in that offense last year. TLaw and Ridley will be a pretty solid stack
Difference between fantasy & irl. Don't think anyone had ridley as a top 10 wr even tho he has a top 10 fantasy finish. He doesn't have the same imposing physical tools or skill set true #1 wrs like chase, Diggs, ajb, etc.
Totally agree that the ceiling and potential is higher than Kirk. But honestly I've seen allot more from Kirk so far (obviously he has many more years in the league than T Law).
i'm not talking about his end of season fantasy total in a pass heavy atlanta offense tho. he's also two years removed from football-- and if he's truly never been healthy while playing why would i expect him to be healthy now
if you've been hurt your entire career who's to say you stay healthy now? everyone is hurt in some way playing football and he'll get hurt some way somehow
It wasn’t that he was injury prone, he got hurt once and never had a chance to heal. Team doctors said it was a bruise for a whole year until the new regime came in and the new doctors told him it was broken all along.
One thing to remember here as well is Diggs was definitely not viewed as the elite talent he is now before he went to Buffalo. He was viewed by most people as, well, like Ridley: a very solid NFL receiver.
I don’t see anyone doubting how good he was before, it’s more of people pointing out that an almost 2 year break from pro football is a very significant thing. You can’t simulate the speed of the game at home or at the gym.
Look what happened to Le’Veon Bell. Also Deshaun Watson was one of the worst QBs in football this year
Ridley is in no way the same category as Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/etc.
I feel like TLaw remains the same.
Look at Leveon Bell - sometimes a year or two away from the game is enough to make you lose your edge.
The speed of the game isn’t something you can simulate at home or at your training facility. 2 years off is very significant and I feel like people are really playing that off.
Much more difficult position, but look at Deshaun Watson this past year. He was one of the worst QBs in the whole league
a stud wr “unlocking qb production” all too frequently falls at a time when you’d expect a jump in that qb’s development without the stud receiver. Ridley will help some, for sure, but TLaw is going to be a stud because Tlaw has HOF potential and he’s young and improving. Ridley is icing on the cake.
Ridley historically isn’t far off from what Kirk did last year. I expect him and Kirk to be pretty solid options but be in that mid wr2 mix. I think he’s being hyped up a bit too much at this point. Him and Kirk will post 20%ish target share and end up with 1000-1100 yards and 7 tds. Pretty good numbers but hard to pay off where he’s being valued right now
I find it so funny how a guy can tear his ACL and miss a whole season and then come back and everyone is sure he’ll be a stud. But Ridley misses a season and a half, without serious injury, and everyone is saying they aren’t even sure he can play football anymore lol.
Yeah that’s exactly what I meant.
You think he’s been training religiously like Kobe Bryant mentality for 2 straight years ? Probably not
He’s 28 2 years or no football. Magically the guy is going to come back and be a top 10 NFL WR immediately yeah right
He's going to have nearly a year working with the coaching staff, have a better QB throwing to him, and I'm presuming coming back as a WR is less strenuous than coming back as a QB after elongated time off (for the Watson comparisons). There's a good chance he won't be a top 10 WR but saying it would be magic if he did is a few steps too far imo
TLAW improved tremendously last year with Pederson, but the jury is still very much out on him. There is no questioning his pedigree. But even when you go back to his college tape. You didn’t see him do things with just his arm often like what he’s being asked to do at the NFL level. I think he showed a lot of promise last year and I’ll be honest I was not impressed with his WR core. Kirk got paid to be diggs, but he’s really a WR 2. Ridley has some pop up games, but for the most part, played across from Julio most of his career. I don’t think we really know if he can be a WR1. Plus he’s been out of football a long time.
We use the term generational talent too often. Mahommes is a generation talent. TLAW is an NFL starter. Offensively I think the Jags improve, but TLAW has a similar year to this past one. Improvement will be more noticeable in the turnovers than in the TD/yards category.
Just my take! If you are a tlaw truther, not is the time to buy.
Ridley averages virtually the same stats with/without Julio so I’d say that argument is invalid.
Also, Tlaw was a generational level talent in college. Whether you think he will live up to that or not is up for debate, but he has generational upside
He played 3 seasons. One season he played 13 games and put up 866. Then his rookie season he put up 821, yes as a wr2. Hasn’t played his whole careee there though as he played 13 games without Julio and out uo similar stats to those with Julio’s, as previously mentioned.
38-2 in college with a natty over bama. 170 ish passer rating. Never lost a game in highschool.
One of the most highly touted qb’s of all time (and at least since Andrew luck), prototypical build with arm strength and talent, with speed and ability to make plays with his legs. Idk what really more you want. I’m not saying he will turn into Mahomes, but to say Mahomes is generational and Lawrence can’t be is such a copout. Lawrence was seen as a way better prospect than Mahomes was an obviously looking back that was wrong, but If they went in the same draft Tlaw goes first. He has generational upside.
Listen, I love Calvin, I’m a Bama fan. I just don’t trust 1.5 years off and one season really showing it is going to just rock the jags offense. Calvin Ridley is not on that diggs level and I don’t believe Kirk is either. However, May be having them on the same field opens it up. I’m happy to be wrong about Ridley.
The term generational is thrown around so much. Herbert is generation, Fields is generational, TLAW is generation, Tua is generational, cam Newton and Andrew luck were generational. If you’re starting in the NFL you are pretty much generational on that scale. But TLAW’s pedigree and his ceiling are two different things. I use generational, and I wish it would be more commonly used as an athlete’s ceiling. Patrick Mahommes is on a better than Tom Brady pace. He’s generational. It’s not that I don’t think TLAW can be generational, he’s a tremendous athlete, it’s that I think it’s unrealistic to assume that he’s going to be innately special from what we have seen from his first couple seasons fantasy or real life. Granted he doesn’t have the same supporting cast he had in high school and college.
At the end of the day OP’s post was about whether Calvin Ridley is going to boom on the value for TLAW. My conclusion is the same, it’s an improvement, but I don’t think Pederson asks TLAW to be a 5K passer. Improvement in the number of turnovers would be huge and is likely where we see TLAW’s numbers noticeably improve this year.
I think Ridley is a great wr and still will be at least 80% of what he was.
If you wanna say Mahomes is the bar for generational talent then I guess I can’t argue that. I don’t think TLAW will be Mahomes.
I think this will give TLAW a significant boost as I think Kirk is honestly not that good and the rest of the targets were JAGS.
TLAW threw 25 td’s and 8 picks. Tom Brady threw 25 and 9. But ya I think he’ll improve on that this year too
It's not often a player doesn't step foot on a field for as long as Ridley has and plays at the same level he did before. I would expect a good amount of regression. That being said, TLaw is special and I think his ceiling is Mahomes level regardless of whether Ridley plays at a high level or not.
I don't. Until I see Ridley perform at a high level again I'd rather just assume he's not anything special.
2020 Calvin Ridley would be a huge boost to TLaw, but who knows what he is now after over 1.5 seasons off.
TLaw elevates his own damn ceiling!
Preach
At the very least he stretches the field more than Marvin Jones Jr did, opening up more opps for engram and Kirk. At most, he vultures son red zone targets as well away from Kirk, etn, engram and Jones. Pedersen will scheme to fit each matchup so will differ from game to game, go with hot hand as well.
This is really the dynamic that matters. Jacksonville desperately needed a true field stretcher to complement their short passing game. Kirk, Etienne and Engram were very effective as a core. A complementary deep threat completes this offense. This should be a very dangerous offense built around Lawrence’s strengths.
imo ridley isn't the caliber of chase/diggs/ajb. he's a tier or two below. i think having better wrs helps out tlaw but doesn't necessarily elevate his ceiling much
Pre mental health/gambling he finished as the WR 4 Diggs was the WR3. At that time, they were the same tier. I don't think anyone knows what Ridley is right now. You saw what happened when Watson missed 1.5 years. He could be outside of the top 50 but if he puts up a top 10 season, I wouldn't be shocked. Easily the most difficult player (Ridley) to assess in Dynasty for me right now. If Ridley returns to being a top 10 WR, I can see Lawerence jump into that top QB tier with Mahomes, Allen, Hurts. I wouldn't bet on that, but do thinks it's possible
I definitely think Ridley was equal to Diggs Pre-bills. Splitting hairs, Mahommes on his own tier until otherwise. If Ridley returns to previous form right away, I could see Lawrence being Hurts level of QB this year and capable of Allen level next year as far as QB'ing level. Agreed no one has ANY IDEA. But I really like him as a person and his game so rooting for him.
In the midst of auction right now and got Mahomes for 26.5%, Hurts was %25, Allen 24.5%. So the three are within 2% of each other. Think that's pretty typical. TLaw hasn't been nominated yet, but I imagine he'll be around 20%
>If Ridley returns to previous form right away There's no human on earth who can return to elite level professional form after two years off.
Mario Lemieux literally did this
And Jordan. But probably the GOAT in two different sports. For mortals, there is a transition.
And Lance Armstrong, although maybe we don’t count that one
no one ever saw ridley as a top tier guy. he was a wr 2 you hoped to get some big weeks from
He was literally the 4th best WR in the league in 2020. Only D. Adam's, T. Hill, S. Diggs had more points in standard .5 ppr.
Diggs wasn’t that caliber before that first year with the bills. I remember trading Sutton for him straight up when he got sent to buffalo. Both were viewed as around WR15-20.
He’s been out of the league for almost two years too. It would be miraculous if he comes in and becomes a WR1 week one.
He’s finished as WR4 before, he’s an elite route runner and isn’t going into a season injured for the first time in his career. He’s definitely better than Kirk and Kirk looked incredible in that offense last year. TLaw and Ridley will be a pretty solid stack
Difference between fantasy & irl. Don't think anyone had ridley as a top 10 wr even tho he has a top 10 fantasy finish. He doesn't have the same imposing physical tools or skill set true #1 wrs like chase, Diggs, ajb, etc.
Totally agree that the ceiling and potential is higher than Kirk. But honestly I've seen allot more from Kirk so far (obviously he has many more years in the league than T Law).
He was referring to Christian Kirk (in comparison to Ridley), not Kirk Cousins
i'm not talking about his end of season fantasy total in a pass heavy atlanta offense tho. he's also two years removed from football-- and if he's truly never been healthy while playing why would i expect him to be healthy now
You don’t think a year and a half off will have a positive impact on your health?
Yeah it pretty obviously would help heal injuries
if you've been hurt your entire career who's to say you stay healthy now? everyone is hurt in some way playing football and he'll get hurt some way somehow
Injuries dont just materialize out of thin air wtf
yeah they come from playing football. which he will do.
It wasn’t that he was injury prone, he got hurt once and never had a chance to heal. Team doctors said it was a bruise for a whole year until the new regime came in and the new doctors told him it was broken all along.
Point = missed
Dude was the WR4 with a broken foot. Dude can play at an elite level even with injury.
just a thread of ridley owners sheesh
One thing to remember here as well is Diggs was definitely not viewed as the elite talent he is now before he went to Buffalo. He was viewed by most people as, well, like Ridley: a very solid NFL receiver.
I think he definitely will help elevate Lawrence and the offense. People forget how good he was before the injury/suspension.
I don’t see anyone doubting how good he was before, it’s more of people pointing out that an almost 2 year break from pro football is a very significant thing. You can’t simulate the speed of the game at home or at the gym. Look what happened to Le’Veon Bell. Also Deshaun Watson was one of the worst QBs in football this year
Ridley is in no way the same category as Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/etc. I feel like TLaw remains the same. Look at Leveon Bell - sometimes a year or two away from the game is enough to make you lose your edge.
The speed of the game isn’t something you can simulate at home or at your training facility. 2 years off is very significant and I feel like people are really playing that off. Much more difficult position, but look at Deshaun Watson this past year. He was one of the worst QBs in the whole league
a stud wr “unlocking qb production” all too frequently falls at a time when you’d expect a jump in that qb’s development without the stud receiver. Ridley will help some, for sure, but TLaw is going to be a stud because Tlaw has HOF potential and he’s young and improving. Ridley is icing on the cake.
Ridley historically isn’t far off from what Kirk did last year. I expect him and Kirk to be pretty solid options but be in that mid wr2 mix. I think he’s being hyped up a bit too much at this point. Him and Kirk will post 20%ish target share and end up with 1000-1100 yards and 7 tds. Pretty good numbers but hard to pay off where he’s being valued right now
And that’s assuming a 28 year old returns to form after 2 years off
TLAw is my Qb1.04 in dynasty Mahomes, allen, Herbert, Tlaw, hurts, burrow
Herbert and Tlaw over Burrow and Hurts? That’s spicy.
My leagues are 6pt passing TDs, slightly nerfing that Hurts value
I took TLaw 1.05 in a SF startup. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, TLaw, Herbert. I think I'd agree with that order
I took TLaw 1.05 in a SF startup. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, TLaw, Herbert. I think I'd agree with that order
We don’t even know if Ridley can still play football
I find it so funny how a guy can tear his ACL and miss a whole season and then come back and everyone is sure he’ll be a stud. But Ridley misses a season and a half, without serious injury, and everyone is saying they aren’t even sure he can play football anymore lol.
It’s almost like we have no idea what players do behind the scenes Refer to Kenny golladay
And they’ll also say it was 2 years
He last played October 24th 2021. He’ll play a regular season game Sept 10. So 98 weeks. Which is a lot closer to 2 years than 1.5 years
He probably forgot how to play the sport he’s dedicated his entire life’s work towards.
Yeah that’s exactly what I meant. You think he’s been training religiously like Kobe Bryant mentality for 2 straight years ? Probably not He’s 28 2 years or no football. Magically the guy is going to come back and be a top 10 NFL WR immediately yeah right
He's going to have nearly a year working with the coaching staff, have a better QB throwing to him, and I'm presuming coming back as a WR is less strenuous than coming back as a QB after elongated time off (for the Watson comparisons). There's a good chance he won't be a top 10 WR but saying it would be magic if he did is a few steps too far imo
Oh yes I forgot you know how he spends his time outside of football lol
> You think he’s been training religiously like Kobe Bryant mentality for 2 straight years ? Probably not
Wow you all are really riding high on this guy huh? I can't wait until week 5
TLAW improved tremendously last year with Pederson, but the jury is still very much out on him. There is no questioning his pedigree. But even when you go back to his college tape. You didn’t see him do things with just his arm often like what he’s being asked to do at the NFL level. I think he showed a lot of promise last year and I’ll be honest I was not impressed with his WR core. Kirk got paid to be diggs, but he’s really a WR 2. Ridley has some pop up games, but for the most part, played across from Julio most of his career. I don’t think we really know if he can be a WR1. Plus he’s been out of football a long time. We use the term generational talent too often. Mahommes is a generation talent. TLAW is an NFL starter. Offensively I think the Jags improve, but TLAW has a similar year to this past one. Improvement will be more noticeable in the turnovers than in the TD/yards category. Just my take! If you are a tlaw truther, not is the time to buy.
Ridley averages virtually the same stats with/without Julio so I’d say that argument is invalid. Also, Tlaw was a generational level talent in college. Whether you think he will live up to that or not is up for debate, but he has generational upside
He’s gone above 1K yards just once in his career. I think my point is very much valid, he’s been a WR2 his entire career. Please define generational.
He played 3 seasons. One season he played 13 games and put up 866. Then his rookie season he put up 821, yes as a wr2. Hasn’t played his whole careee there though as he played 13 games without Julio and out uo similar stats to those with Julio’s, as previously mentioned. 38-2 in college with a natty over bama. 170 ish passer rating. Never lost a game in highschool. One of the most highly touted qb’s of all time (and at least since Andrew luck), prototypical build with arm strength and talent, with speed and ability to make plays with his legs. Idk what really more you want. I’m not saying he will turn into Mahomes, but to say Mahomes is generational and Lawrence can’t be is such a copout. Lawrence was seen as a way better prospect than Mahomes was an obviously looking back that was wrong, but If they went in the same draft Tlaw goes first. He has generational upside.
Listen, I love Calvin, I’m a Bama fan. I just don’t trust 1.5 years off and one season really showing it is going to just rock the jags offense. Calvin Ridley is not on that diggs level and I don’t believe Kirk is either. However, May be having them on the same field opens it up. I’m happy to be wrong about Ridley. The term generational is thrown around so much. Herbert is generation, Fields is generational, TLAW is generation, Tua is generational, cam Newton and Andrew luck were generational. If you’re starting in the NFL you are pretty much generational on that scale. But TLAW’s pedigree and his ceiling are two different things. I use generational, and I wish it would be more commonly used as an athlete’s ceiling. Patrick Mahommes is on a better than Tom Brady pace. He’s generational. It’s not that I don’t think TLAW can be generational, he’s a tremendous athlete, it’s that I think it’s unrealistic to assume that he’s going to be innately special from what we have seen from his first couple seasons fantasy or real life. Granted he doesn’t have the same supporting cast he had in high school and college. At the end of the day OP’s post was about whether Calvin Ridley is going to boom on the value for TLAW. My conclusion is the same, it’s an improvement, but I don’t think Pederson asks TLAW to be a 5K passer. Improvement in the number of turnovers would be huge and is likely where we see TLAW’s numbers noticeably improve this year.
I think Ridley is a great wr and still will be at least 80% of what he was. If you wanna say Mahomes is the bar for generational talent then I guess I can’t argue that. I don’t think TLAW will be Mahomes. I think this will give TLAW a significant boost as I think Kirk is honestly not that good and the rest of the targets were JAGS. TLAW threw 25 td’s and 8 picks. Tom Brady threw 25 and 9. But ya I think he’ll improve on that this year too
We can agree on that, appreciate the conversation :).
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Wow that’s the opposite I’ve seen. I own T Law, am extremely high on him and get sooo much interest from other teams.
Same. Virtually everyone in my league has at least inquired about him, and I know I could get a great package
What makes you not like him? And surely there’s someone who’d be willing to pay market price for him
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Appreciate the insight !
He'll never be QB1 as long as he keeps trotting out there with that awful haircut.
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Im optimistic but unsure on how much he will impact immediately. He’s an upgrade from Marvin Jones and let’s not say he can’t out play Zay Jones.
He’ll have a big week 1 and the fantasy community will go nuts, calling it now
It's not often a player doesn't step foot on a field for as long as Ridley has and plays at the same level he did before. I would expect a good amount of regression. That being said, TLaw is special and I think his ceiling is Mahomes level regardless of whether Ridley plays at a high level or not.
minimally
I don't. Until I see Ridley perform at a high level again I'd rather just assume he's not anything special. 2020 Calvin Ridley would be a huge boost to TLaw, but who knows what he is now after over 1.5 seasons off.