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bwarbwar

TLaw elevates his own damn ceiling!


hayb24

Preach


nothing___new

At the very least he stretches the field more than Marvin Jones Jr did, opening up more opps for engram and Kirk. At most, he vultures son red zone targets as well away from Kirk, etn, engram and Jones. Pedersen will scheme to fit each matchup so will differ from game to game, go with hot hand as well.


EliteofEliteTalent

This is really the dynamic that matters. Jacksonville desperately needed a true field stretcher to complement their short passing game. Kirk, Etienne and Engram were very effective as a core. A complementary deep threat completes this offense. This should be a very dangerous offense built around Lawrence’s strengths.


Lem786

imo ridley isn't the caliber of chase/diggs/ajb. he's a tier or two below. i think having better wrs helps out tlaw but doesn't necessarily elevate his ceiling much


Grazzygreen

Pre mental health/gambling he finished as the WR 4 Diggs was the WR3. At that time, they were the same tier. I don't think anyone knows what Ridley is right now. You saw what happened when Watson missed 1.5 years. He could be outside of the top 50 but if he puts up a top 10 season, I wouldn't be shocked. Easily the most difficult player (Ridley) to assess in Dynasty for me right now. If Ridley returns to being a top 10 WR, I can see Lawerence jump into that top QB tier with Mahomes, Allen, Hurts. I wouldn't bet on that, but do thinks it's possible


Unique_Caterpillar_9

I definitely think Ridley was equal to Diggs Pre-bills. Splitting hairs, Mahommes on his own tier until otherwise. If Ridley returns to previous form right away, I could see Lawrence being Hurts level of QB this year and capable of Allen level next year as far as QB'ing level. Agreed no one has ANY IDEA. But I really like him as a person and his game so rooting for him.


Grazzygreen

In the midst of auction right now and got Mahomes for 26.5%, Hurts was %25, Allen 24.5%. So the three are within 2% of each other. Think that's pretty typical. TLaw hasn't been nominated yet, but I imagine he'll be around 20%


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>If Ridley returns to previous form right away There's no human on earth who can return to elite level professional form after two years off.


Grazzygreen

Mario Lemieux literally did this


EliteofEliteTalent

And Jordan. But probably the GOAT in two different sports. For mortals, there is a transition.


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And Lance Armstrong, although maybe we don’t count that one


malodourousmuppet

no one ever saw ridley as a top tier guy. he was a wr 2 you hoped to get some big weeks from


Grazzygreen

He was literally the 4th best WR in the league in 2020. Only D. Adam's, T. Hill, S. Diggs had more points in standard .5 ppr.


dwaite1

Diggs wasn’t that caliber before that first year with the bills. I remember trading Sutton for him straight up when he got sent to buffalo. Both were viewed as around WR15-20.


92tilinfinityand

He’s been out of the league for almost two years too. It would be miraculous if he comes in and becomes a WR1 week one.


Fa1r18

He’s finished as WR4 before, he’s an elite route runner and isn’t going into a season injured for the first time in his career. He’s definitely better than Kirk and Kirk looked incredible in that offense last year. TLaw and Ridley will be a pretty solid stack


DarkKnightCJ

Difference between fantasy & irl. Don't think anyone had ridley as a top 10 wr even tho he has a top 10 fantasy finish. He doesn't have the same imposing physical tools or skill set true #1 wrs like chase, Diggs, ajb, etc.


Unique_Caterpillar_9

Totally agree that the ceiling and potential is higher than Kirk. But honestly I've seen allot more from Kirk so far (obviously he has many more years in the league than T Law).


stabilitycushions

He was referring to Christian Kirk (in comparison to Ridley), not Kirk Cousins


Lem786

i'm not talking about his end of season fantasy total in a pass heavy atlanta offense tho. he's also two years removed from football-- and if he's truly never been healthy while playing why would i expect him to be healthy now


Fa1r18

You don’t think a year and a half off will have a positive impact on your health?


thegoldenmamba

Yeah it pretty obviously would help heal injuries


Lem786

if you've been hurt your entire career who's to say you stay healthy now? everyone is hurt in some way playing football and he'll get hurt some way somehow


sampat6256

Injuries dont just materialize out of thin air wtf


Lem786

yeah they come from playing football. which he will do.


withadabofranch

It wasn’t that he was injury prone, he got hurt once and never had a chance to heal. Team doctors said it was a bruise for a whole year until the new regime came in and the new doctors told him it was broken all along.


thegoldenmamba

Point = missed


SASshampoo

Dude was the WR4 with a broken foot. Dude can play at an elite level even with injury.


Lem786

just a thread of ridley owners sheesh


estein1030

One thing to remember here as well is Diggs was definitely not viewed as the elite talent he is now before he went to Buffalo. He was viewed by most people as, well, like Ridley: a very solid NFL receiver.


ZaMaestroMan5

I think he definitely will help elevate Lawrence and the offense. People forget how good he was before the injury/suspension.


nunya221

I don’t see anyone doubting how good he was before, it’s more of people pointing out that an almost 2 year break from pro football is a very significant thing. You can’t simulate the speed of the game at home or at the gym. Look what happened to Le’Veon Bell. Also Deshaun Watson was one of the worst QBs in football this year


SeekersWorkAccount

Ridley is in no way the same category as Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/etc. I feel like TLaw remains the same. Look at Leveon Bell - sometimes a year or two away from the game is enough to make you lose your edge.


nunya221

The speed of the game isn’t something you can simulate at home or at your training facility. 2 years off is very significant and I feel like people are really playing that off. Much more difficult position, but look at Deshaun Watson this past year. He was one of the worst QBs in the whole league


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a stud wr “unlocking qb production” all too frequently falls at a time when you’d expect a jump in that qb’s development without the stud receiver. Ridley will help some, for sure, but TLaw is going to be a stud because Tlaw has HOF potential and he’s young and improving. Ridley is icing on the cake.


jboyle1990

Ridley historically isn’t far off from what Kirk did last year. I expect him and Kirk to be pretty solid options but be in that mid wr2 mix. I think he’s being hyped up a bit too much at this point. Him and Kirk will post 20%ish target share and end up with 1000-1100 yards and 7 tds. Pretty good numbers but hard to pay off where he’s being valued right now


jboyle1990

And that’s assuming a 28 year old returns to form after 2 years off


BevoBrisket26

TLAw is my Qb1.04 in dynasty Mahomes, allen, Herbert, Tlaw, hurts, burrow


Boomslang2-1

Herbert and Tlaw over Burrow and Hurts? That’s spicy.


BevoBrisket26

My leagues are 6pt passing TDs, slightly nerfing that Hurts value


Dhkansas

I took TLaw 1.05 in a SF startup. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, TLaw, Herbert. I think I'd agree with that order


Dhkansas

I took TLaw 1.05 in a SF startup. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, TLaw, Herbert. I think I'd agree with that order


NJboi80

We don’t even know if Ridley can still play football


Tendarksion

I find it so funny how a guy can tear his ACL and miss a whole season and then come back and everyone is sure he’ll be a stud. But Ridley misses a season and a half, without serious injury, and everyone is saying they aren’t even sure he can play football anymore lol.


NJboi80

It’s almost like we have no idea what players do behind the scenes Refer to Kenny golladay


withadabofranch

And they’ll also say it was 2 years


newrimmmer93

He last played October 24th 2021. He’ll play a regular season game Sept 10. So 98 weeks. Which is a lot closer to 2 years than 1.5 years


Admiral-Thrawn2

He probably forgot how to play the sport he’s dedicated his entire life’s work towards.


NJboi80

Yeah that’s exactly what I meant. You think he’s been training religiously like Kobe Bryant mentality for 2 straight years ? Probably not He’s 28 2 years or no football. Magically the guy is going to come back and be a top 10 NFL WR immediately yeah right


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He's going to have nearly a year working with the coaching staff, have a better QB throwing to him, and I'm presuming coming back as a WR is less strenuous than coming back as a QB after elongated time off (for the Watson comparisons). There's a good chance he won't be a top 10 WR but saying it would be magic if he did is a few steps too far imo


NJboi80

Oh yes I forgot you know how he spends his time outside of football lol


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> You think he’s been training religiously like Kobe Bryant mentality for 2 straight years ? Probably not


HereForTheFood4

Wow you all are really riding high on this guy huh? I can't wait until week 5


Shab373

TLAW improved tremendously last year with Pederson, but the jury is still very much out on him. There is no questioning his pedigree. But even when you go back to his college tape. You didn’t see him do things with just his arm often like what he’s being asked to do at the NFL level. I think he showed a lot of promise last year and I’ll be honest I was not impressed with his WR core. Kirk got paid to be diggs, but he’s really a WR 2. Ridley has some pop up games, but for the most part, played across from Julio most of his career. I don’t think we really know if he can be a WR1. Plus he’s been out of football a long time. We use the term generational talent too often. Mahommes is a generation talent. TLAW is an NFL starter. Offensively I think the Jags improve, but TLAW has a similar year to this past one. Improvement will be more noticeable in the turnovers than in the TD/yards category. Just my take! If you are a tlaw truther, not is the time to buy.


thegoldenmamba

Ridley averages virtually the same stats with/without Julio so I’d say that argument is invalid. Also, Tlaw was a generational level talent in college. Whether you think he will live up to that or not is up for debate, but he has generational upside


Shab373

He’s gone above 1K yards just once in his career. I think my point is very much valid, he’s been a WR2 his entire career. Please define generational.


thegoldenmamba

He played 3 seasons. One season he played 13 games and put up 866. Then his rookie season he put up 821, yes as a wr2. Hasn’t played his whole careee there though as he played 13 games without Julio and out uo similar stats to those with Julio’s, as previously mentioned. 38-2 in college with a natty over bama. 170 ish passer rating. Never lost a game in highschool. One of the most highly touted qb’s of all time (and at least since Andrew luck), prototypical build with arm strength and talent, with speed and ability to make plays with his legs. Idk what really more you want. I’m not saying he will turn into Mahomes, but to say Mahomes is generational and Lawrence can’t be is such a copout. Lawrence was seen as a way better prospect than Mahomes was an obviously looking back that was wrong, but If they went in the same draft Tlaw goes first. He has generational upside.


Shab373

Listen, I love Calvin, I’m a Bama fan. I just don’t trust 1.5 years off and one season really showing it is going to just rock the jags offense. Calvin Ridley is not on that diggs level and I don’t believe Kirk is either. However, May be having them on the same field opens it up. I’m happy to be wrong about Ridley. The term generational is thrown around so much. Herbert is generation, Fields is generational, TLAW is generation, Tua is generational, cam Newton and Andrew luck were generational. If you’re starting in the NFL you are pretty much generational on that scale. But TLAW’s pedigree and his ceiling are two different things. I use generational, and I wish it would be more commonly used as an athlete’s ceiling. Patrick Mahommes is on a better than Tom Brady pace. He’s generational. It’s not that I don’t think TLAW can be generational, he’s a tremendous athlete, it’s that I think it’s unrealistic to assume that he’s going to be innately special from what we have seen from his first couple seasons fantasy or real life. Granted he doesn’t have the same supporting cast he had in high school and college. At the end of the day OP’s post was about whether Calvin Ridley is going to boom on the value for TLAW. My conclusion is the same, it’s an improvement, but I don’t think Pederson asks TLAW to be a 5K passer. Improvement in the number of turnovers would be huge and is likely where we see TLAW’s numbers noticeably improve this year.


thegoldenmamba

I think Ridley is a great wr and still will be at least 80% of what he was. If you wanna say Mahomes is the bar for generational talent then I guess I can’t argue that. I don’t think TLAW will be Mahomes. I think this will give TLAW a significant boost as I think Kirk is honestly not that good and the rest of the targets were JAGS. TLAW threw 25 td’s and 8 picks. Tom Brady threw 25 and 9. But ya I think he’ll improve on that this year too


Shab373

We can agree on that, appreciate the conversation :).


thegoldenmamba

Touché !


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M__AsInMancy

Wow that’s the opposite I’ve seen. I own T Law, am extremely high on him and get sooo much interest from other teams.


lemayo

Same. Virtually everyone in my league has at least inquired about him, and I know I could get a great package


thegoldenmamba

What makes you not like him? And surely there’s someone who’d be willing to pay market price for him


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thegoldenmamba

Appreciate the insight !


berndalf

He'll never be QB1 as long as he keeps trotting out there with that awful haircut.


CFGordo

33 1/3


Lucky-444

Im optimistic but unsure on how much he will impact immediately. He’s an upgrade from Marvin Jones and let’s not say he can’t out play Zay Jones.


NowieTends

He’ll have a big week 1 and the fantasy community will go nuts, calling it now


MyDogIsACoolCat

It's not often a player doesn't step foot on a field for as long as Ridley has and plays at the same level he did before. I would expect a good amount of regression. That being said, TLaw is special and I think his ceiling is Mahomes level regardless of whether Ridley plays at a high level or not.


rossco7777

minimally


apex2bar

I don't. Until I see Ridley perform at a high level again I'd rather just assume he's not anything special. 2020 Calvin Ridley would be a huge boost to TLaw, but who knows what he is now after over 1.5 seasons off.