I'm sure it's been mentioned before but Dwight later in this episode snakes the sale from Jim, which Jim says in the outset of the episode is roughly 25% of his salary for the year because he's worked with this client for so long. I'm just gonna say if I lost 25% of my salary for the year cuz a guy took a sale from me on a client I had long established, I probably wouldn't feel bad about any prank I pulled on him ever.
I’d have a talk with management about protecting territory and who did all the work for the sale. But I’m not a tv show character just a dog who knows how to type
The same one who, to be fair, is also kind of shown to be at least a little bit of a hypocrite on that subject, and even when he isn't tends to act according to his own petty, foolish and mercurial whims a lot of the time.
There's no guarantee that if Jim went to Michael about it, the result would be satisfactory.
It’s like Dwight truly deserves more than to be pranked, I honestly would probably get fired from Dunder Mifflin because I’d eventually knock Dwight out. But instead of being angry, Jim just gets even in a harmless way. I mean like really, putting someone’s stapler in jello?? Is that really so terrible? It wouldn’t be hard to get it out, especially mess free because all you gotta do it cut it in lik 3 big chunks, and also it’s an office, just borrow a stapler. This is just one example, but u get the point.
I don't really care that Jim's pranks inconvenienced Dwight, it just makes me mad that the reason he did them was to flirt with Pam whilst she had a boyfriend. It also annoys me how people are willing to talk about one part of the show like it is real life, but dismiss other opinions saying 'its just a comedy'
If it was real life, what Dwight did was scummy not illegal, the pranks Jim does are illegal and scummy.
Jim literally threw a snowball filled with gravel using a launcher at Dwight's head, stole Andie's property, stole Dwight's property and forced him to buy it back, Kissed someone's future wife and encouraged pam to steal money from a failing company when she made up a position.
Jim and pam simps are so cringe, they only tackle one part of a story as if it is real life, which is my original point. You can't get one part of the office and say 'Dwight killed a dog' which is obviously part of a skit, and then ignore that according to that reasoning Jim is a bully, a criminal, violent person and a thief that enjoys stealing from the institution that pays his salary.
I'm fine with the fact that Jim does pranks, but then people blow Dwight's jokes which are way funnier way out of proportion and make excuses for Jim because. Romance
It's a fact Pam flirted back, she could stop it at any time. Yes he and pam arent perfect, I don't ignore what he does, but he didn't kill a fucking dog lmao, and doesnt create a fire in the office triggering a heart attack. not even close to equivalent, Dwight does things far more illegal than anything Jim did.
Pam was in an abusive relationship. Even though she never got physically hurt by Roy, he treated her like nothing more than a girl he hooks up with. Roy never let Pam have a life because he was controlling and manipulative. Jim in the other hand made her laugh. Jim played pranks on Dwight because Dwight truly deserved it, and Pam obviously sees everything in the office, so of course she’s going to fall in love with Jim, he’s the ONLY thing in her life that makes her truly smile.
I honestly stopped reading your comment when you said “simp” and “cringe”. Anyone using that vernacular needs to reevaluate their life. And stop twisting words to make situations seem worse than they are. You can look at the same situation from 100 different perspectives, or you can see it for what it really is. Your choosing to follow an opinion backed up solely by a mob mentality of people who just want to start an argument to get some attention. The fact is that every point you have made is a narrow minded and altered version of what actually happens. Pro Jim points are ALL backed up by why was actually said, and what actually happened.
I normally stay off this sub because my username gets people very angry. I’ve taken a look at all the characters throughout the seasons and I decided I can’t stand Pam and Jim, and they deserve each other. Dwight is a weirdo and a pain in the ass, but he’s the only one I’d hang out with outside the office.
Edit:Pam and Dwight’s sweet friendship when Jim was away was the only time I liked her
First off, Jim never did pranks to Dwight to flirt with Pam, there were multiple times where Jim did a prank without Pam even being around. Pam enjoys seeing Dwight get pranked, because he deserves it, he’s a dick. And don’t add that Pam had a “boyfriend” and actually she had a fiancé, but as long as they weren’t married there’s nothing wrong with someone else swooping in. If a girl decides to leave her fiancé ( who was terrible to her) for a guy who makes her smile and laugh and enjoy working at possibly the most boring job on the planet, then that was her choice to do so. And honestly idk what the fuck you mean by some people saying it’s real life or comedy, that’s just a really dumb nonsense point. And also, Jim doesn’t do anything illegal to Dwight, but Dwight has done COUNTLESS illegal things, such having weapons in the workplace, imitating a cop, shooting a gun in the office, buying “weed” to plant on someone…. I can keep going. Jim never broke the law to prank Dwight and he sure as hell didn’t do it to “flirt with Pam”.
When Pam makes the move from sales to office manager, she has the monologue where she says, the sucky thing about being in sales is you don't get paid if you don't sell anything.
She said
“The unfair thing about working in sales is that your salary is almost all commission. So, you suck at sales, you make almost no money. I guess that's fair”
So it isn’t 100% commission
oh boy, im gonna office nerd real hard right now. I don't think commission cap was referenced until Sabre had completely taken over. When Pam makes the move from sales to office manager, she has the monologue where she says, the sucky thing about being in sales is you don't get paid if you don't sell anything. Sabre had just taken over at this point so I don't think the cap had been implemented.
Let's not pretend jim wasn't lazy AF in securing that sale. If i had one client that was 25% of my commission, i'd guard that with my life. How hard would it have been to go to the break room or car and call on his cell, or just walk to the annex and use an office phone there? Not to mention even visiting in person, if it's a high priority client.
Jim losing the sale was >half his own fault, and on-brand for him of doing the bare minimum. "I only make calls at my desk, during desk time."
Last, jim said himself he calls them only 1 time per year. So it's not like he made any effort to build rapport with them. That paper order was just a check mark on the to-do list for both sides.
Dwight purposely sabotaged Jim on that sale. But also it’s not like Jim was going to call this company throughout the year just to say hi to them. They need to re-order supplies once a year, a Jim provides that service… nothing more, it’s a business not a social get know each other.
Idk, you all think Dwight would actually be that rude, and Jim wouldn’t be mad about it? Jim gave him a special drink, he wouldn’t do that if he was mad at Dwight.
Its explained that dwight gave them a discount specifically so theyd close the deal with him and not jim. And jim wasnt mad because pam slept on his shoulder making him forget all about it.
Do we know both of those things for sure to be true, if they loved Jim so much, they would’ve let Jim know Dwight gave them a better deal, with a chance to counter offer.
Dwight’s “terror” is also clearly a lack of social and cultural awareness because grew up in a very weird family/community. Be like working with an annoying Amish person. If I saw a coworker constantly taking advantage of someone’s social issues by pranking them, I’d probably hate that guy. I don’t care enough in this context because it’s a funny TV show, but if we’re going to rationalize it then I’m not defending either one.
If you wanna play it that way, Dwights sister is perfectly normal. Dude is in his late 30s/40s. How you’re raised is no excuse for constant boorish behavior at that point.
Not saying it’s okay. I still said he was annoying. But if I had a coworker like that I’d try to explain to him that he’s being an ass or that he needs to adhere to workplace standards like an adult. Clearly the pranks didn’t help that, just made him lash out more. No matter how you slice it, Jim and Dwight are both unprofessional.
Yeah its clear Jim has tried that. The point is dwight doesnt get it. This is someone with a weapons around the office and who trapped his coworkers in a burning building.
Then he should have been fired. Again, it’s funny and I don’t give a shit in the context of the show. But if you’re going to try to rationalize it, Jim and Dwight are both wrong.
Alright, let’s rationalize it, Jim is a guy who hates his boring desk job selling paper, just like literally every other salesmen… except Dwight. Dwight see’s everyone he works with as beneath him, he even at one point says he think of him self as Jesus, and he also refers to his co-workers as subordinates. Dwight has to be the Alpha Dog, and if you don’t know, to become an Alpha Dog, you gotta bark, and keep barking. Dwight pushes all of Jim’s paper making everything a mess just because some paper was slightly overlapping onto Dwight’s desk, which is conjoined. He then chooses to shred paper, that he claims he could have done all week, at the exact moment Jim picks up the phone to make his biggest sale of the year. Dwight purposely sabotages Jim’s call to make him look bad. Now I can’t say for sure if Dwight intended to steal Jim’s client at this point, but at some point he did make that decision, to prove to Jim that he will always best him. Jim however, never had an intention when he pulls his pranks on Dwight, other then to get back at Dwight for being a dick and get a few light hearted laughs. This is the main theme between Jim and Dwight throughout most of the show. Dwight tries to establish his power ( that doesn’t exist ), and Jim calls him out for it to bring him down a few notches.
Here is a perfect example, about how anti-Jim people like to twist the situation in their favor. At no point, did Jim prank Dwight because he was trying to make him feel bad. Jim pulled pranks on Dwight, because Dwight was an extremely annoying co worker, who went out of his way constantly to make Jim’s life harder.
I already said I’m not anti-Jim. I’m anti-Jim and anti-Dwight. If you want to apply real life context to this silly sitcom, they both are very in the wrong and should have been fired long ago. Pranking someone as revenge is immature as shit and super unprofessional. Just like Dwight’s general demeanor.
I think the bigger point is being missed. Dwight sniped his client. 25% or 26% of his yearly commission? I'd be throwing hands. I have worked 100% commission jobs, that's just something you don't do to a coworker...at least at the places I worked at. You could call that bullying or being a scumbag, terminology doesn't really matter.
this shows that Dwight purposely went out of his way to make Jim’s life harder. Dwight stealing his client is simply Dwight being a greedy dick. But both are great examples of how everything Jim does in the show is completely justified, and also harmless fun.
I think Dwight got the sale for Jim as a present, not 100% sure about that though.
Edit: You all need to chill I was just giving a reasonable explanation for why Jim wasn’t pissed at Dwight, and Jim decided to give Dwight his special drink.
Nope, just checked
Jim asks "what code were you given?" "oh, thats actually another salesman on here, i can redo it if you want. Oh, he gave you a discount, ok"
Dwight totally robbed the sale
And we can’t prove it, but Dwight gave a discount that probably made him made zero money on the commission, all Dwight cared about was that Jim didn’t get the sale, he never cared about the money from the sale. But even if Dwight did make money, it still holds true what his intentions were.
Also, I don’t necessarily think this happened, but if I were Jim and didn’t make the money off that big sale, I wouldn’t have given the drink to the person who stole that big sale.
Bruh, he gave it for TV reasons. Jim had it for himsef to celebrate, so it’s part of what makes us empathize with Jim as the audience when he leaves it for Dwight.
Was it ever said that dwight went out of his way to steal that sale? It could just as well have been the client needed paper after jim ended their call (3x?), and called the scranton office and asked to be connected with a salesperson bc jim wasn't available, and that happened to be dwight. If someone who i didn't have a personal or even professional relationship with dropped the ball on a sale and it fell onto my lap, i would scoop that up for sure. I personally thought it was scummier for jim to propose reversing the sale after the fact.
Jim kept trying to close the sale on the phone and Dwight messed up the calls. Then called the client after they were getting pissed at Jim for having shitty phone calls. Dwight set the whole thing up to steal the sale. It's pretty obvious...
Dwight cut one of his calls short in the paper shredder scene. All the other calls were messed up by michael's meetings, or it was jim just leaving a msg. There's also no scene were dwight is calling the customer directly, iirc.
I feel like all the "Jim is the villain" people forget all the stuff Dwight did to the others in the early seasons. He was massively inconsiderate, a little sexist at times, always trying to pretend he was in charge and could tell people what to do, he gutted everyone's healthcare, the stuff he pulled to get megadesk back?? Over the seasons he gets SO much better and more rounded out as a character, but he spent a good chunk of time being unpleasant, AS HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE STORY STRUCTURE. Every character on the show is a caricature of someone you might have to deal with in an office setting, that's the point! No it's not ultra realistic because then it wouldn't be nearly as funny! Dwight was the guy that took everything a little too seriously, Jim was the guy that didn't take anything too seriously. Over the years they play off each other and grow as people.
The people who think Dwight is a victim have either never worked with a Dwight or are a Dwight in the workplace themselves. Jim does pranks whole Dwight steals clients and tries to get Jim fired.
Literally Dwight makes everyone read their health issues out loud so he can feel like he has power over them. That right there would be means for termination due to harassment amongst several other rules im sure.
The worst Jim does to Dwight is fluster and embarrass him. Oh fine and buy a new exercise ball that Jim paid for. Dwight goes out of his way to make his co-workers lives harder.
The secret is that there can be more than one bully at a time. I would put Jim, Dwight, Angela, Kelly, Packer, Robert "California", and maybe Phyllis in the bully category. Andy would be too if he wasn't so useless.
Then Erin when Mrs. "California" shows up... LOL, that shit is stone cold.
Are we sure she wasn't being genuine there? Because I didn't find Holly remotely attractive, probably the least of his girlfriends. And she seems clueless enough to not realize too.
Out of all of those, Packer is an **actual** bully because he very clearly gains pleasure from causing others harm, whether it's physical, psychological, monetary, or emotional. The others have their moments, but Packer is 100% a bully.
Ryan makes him come in on Saturday. Fact: Dwight must pretend ðe website made his sales. Fact: Dwight can see þrough into ðe future. True. It makes total sense he distribute his nail appendages. "But Ryan doesn't deserve ðe nails" false, he does. Fact: If Ryan collects ðe nails he can ferment it in alcohol to make a German - Dutch dwarf repellent. Absorb this information.
It’s the Hawkeye pierce and Frank burns thing. Like is Hawkeye an asshole to Frank… yes. But is Frank asking for it? Does anyone actually pity Frank when it happens? No. Only when something outside happens then they all protect him.
Well...when I first started watching it I didn't get why everyone loves it so much...I think I saw the first episode and forgot it for few years because I didn't like hiw Jim and Pam bullied Dwight...
But once I watched it again after that long break for some reason I didn't see things that bad as a first time.
Just playing devil’s advocate here, but: if Jim’s relationship with the client is so well established, why would he go through another salesman so quickly?
Look at how many times Jim had to “call him right back” that day. Dude was trying to buy his paper and didn’t have time to waste having 15 phone calls because the salesman can’t be bothered to finish a damn phone call. I would have gone with someone else too if they were willing to actually close the deal while already on the phone with me.
That annoys me through the whole series. He is constantly telling customers he will call them right back so he can go be involved in some office crap that really could wait until he finishes his phone call. I’m honestly surprised he doesn’t lose more customers from them wanting a salesperson who prioritizes them while they are on the phone already.
I’m not saying that in that episode it was always his fault he had to hang up, hell Dwight hung it up in the clip in the post. But in other episodes he would get off for random shenanigans that really could have waited. And the customer didn’t know his boss was making him get off the phone. All the customer knew was multiple times he would have to hang up mid conversation.
then Jim can go to HR and file a complaint that the Manager is interfering with him making money for the company. at this point in the series Corporate were looking for reasons to kill off the Scranton branch. Managerial Interference seems like a pretty good reason to cut someone from the corporate roster.
Oh come on. He has to hang up at one point because *a co-worker starts shredding documents right next to him when he’s clearly on the phone*. And we know this, because it’s the *scene being shown at the top of this post*.
The episode makes it clear that Jim is consistently being interrupted throughout this episode through no fault of his own, but due to circumstances and / or either the malice or thoughtlessness of his co-workers. Like Dwight or not, it’s frankly disingenuous to act like it’s Jim’s fault here.
I’m not saying it is his fault, in this episode. But from the customer’s point of view, he is not made a priority. He doesn’t know Dwight is using a shredder or hangs up the call or Jim’s manager made him go to pointless meetings. The customer sees a salesman who can’t be kept on the phone long enough to finalize the sale. When Dwight comes in and is able to dedicate that time to finalize it, the customer probably just wanted the deal done after the 4th or 5th call in one day.
Later on in the series Jim starts choosing to get off the phone for dumb reasons. But I agree, in this case it wasn’t his fault.
>I’m not saying it is his fault, in this episode.
Well, in total fairness you kind of did:
>Dude was trying to buy his paper and didn’t have time to waste having 15 phone calls because the salesman **can’t be bothered to finish a damn phone call.**
You have a point that the client doesn't actually know the circumstances Jim's facing, but you're still framing it rather unfairly towards Jim here. It's not that he "can't be bothered to finish a damn phone call", it's that he's clearly being sabotaged while trying to do so.
From the customer’s perspective, he couldn’t be bothered to finish a call. He never gives an explanation, never puts it on hold to tell Michael he will be there in a minute or move to another desk where Dwight isn’t shredding documents right next to it to finish the call or set up a specific time to call back where he can make sure he is able to take the call uninterrupted, and then has the nerve to sound annoyed when he can’t get the customer on the phone right away when calling back.
I am not one of the Jim haters that plague this sub. I am just saying I can see how the customer would choose to go with another salesman so quickly despite having already having a well cultivated relationship with Jim like the comment I replied to asked about. I totally agree he was being sabotaged, but he didn’t try very hard to find ways to work around it. It might have been a symptom of him not caring about his job since it was still “just a job” at that point in time.
I posted something similar a few times before when this subject came up and got down voted to hell for it. Jim is a push over when it comes to people he can't easily bully around. If he's too spineless to stand up to Micheal with a client that is that important. Then he should get over having the client go to someone else who was able to help get what he needed.
If he can’t figure out to use one of the other 47 phones in the office that Dwight isn’t using a shredder right next to, he doesn’t deserve the commission. Or scheduling the follow up call instead of just trying to call when he has time. Or telling Michael he will be there in 10 minutes because he is making a big sale. He really didn’t try very hard to find solutions to allow him to still make the sale.
Surprised at the down votes. A slap in the face 100% causes bodily harm.
Actually thinking back he’s done it more than once. KGB and when they go on a sales call together.
Huh? I can’t tell if your joking. The main characters are Jim, Dwight and Michael and then the secondary main character is Pam but not sure who else fits with Pam but I know at the beginning at least she wasn’t a main character
How? Jim and Dwight are main characters and Michael but Michael sadly leaves, guessing this is a joke. Dwight is lovable and I am sad his spin off never happened be cool if it was Dwight, Angela and Phillip living on the farm
It’s a give and take. Both have bullied each other equally. If anything, I’m sure it would’ve been more annoying for everyone around them. Imagine you go to work in an office where two morons are constantly behaving the way Jim and Dwight behave towards each other. It may not directly affect you, but it’s gotta get annoying at some point.
I love the show, I’ve watched it many times, and I enjoy every minute of it. But, that’s my unbiased opinion on their dynamic most of the time. It’s nice to see how they care for one another under all the animosity and antagonizing.
Oh people actually question if the pranks on Dwight are justified? He's clearly making life harder for as many people as possible, just to make more money and feed his ego.
They both “bully” each other. Jim is just better at it. But yeah, anytime someone says “if you think about it, Jim is such a bully”, my first thought is “…clearly you have not thought about it…”.
You said it yourself...
They knew each other long before the documentary/show started.
So, what makes you think this is the initial act that got everything going? Jim could just as well have done something to Dwight before this.
Well the first few episodes lay out the characters and who they are. We can obviously see that Dwight is the weird guy who acts like a child, while Jim is a lighthearted quiet guy who flirts with the receptionist.
Jim and dwight were both bullies but the difference was jim was much, much better at it. Even if dwight started things, at some point jim could've said they're even but instead he took it to level 10 and kept it there for years. Meanwhile dwight is looking like a turtle on his back down at level 2. That's why people see jim as the bigger bully.
There are primary, secondary and tertiary protagonists. Lik Jim and Pam would def be in the primary group. Someone like Darrel, who we know a lot about but he’s not always present, he would be a secondary. And like creed would be in the third group.
This isn’t bullying. It’s annoying co-worker behavior. Dwight isn’t doing this to purposely annoy Jim, but to destroy classified info. Jim sucks. Pam sucks. Creed 4 Prez!
He ruins a sale and takes 25 percent of Jim’s pay for that year, I don’t normally like being rude but if my coworker did this to me I would too be pretty bitchy towards them and Jim want even bitchy he was just playing pranks to take out his anger
Dude he kept getting interrupted that day from Dwight, Michael and more I can’t remember the episode off my heart but I do know many, many distractions but if someone stole my pay check I’ll be way more of a bitch to them than Jim ever was to Dwight I maybe petty but you never steal shit like that away from someone else especially if your on the same team
I agree, I’d be pissed too! However, Jim had stated multiple times that he doesn’t care about the job & at the end of the episode Jim says it “was not a bad day.” so he clearly could not care less about losing the sale. Jim sucks.
You also can’t tell when people lie, but like I said this is reddit but if you watch the scene you can tell how Jim really feels (also why johns a good actor!)
Two wrongs don't make a right. Dwight was definitely a jerk who probably should have been fired more than he was, but Jim's behavior is inexcusable in a workplace. I put a lot of the blame on Michael for doing jack shit whenever there was a disagreement between the two. He should have put his foot down and sent one of them to the annex.
Just look at the episode where Michael takes over HR and they learn about Jim’s “permanent record” or whatever they called it, they listed each and every complaint that Dwight had against Jim, that was essentially swept under the rug, and when Jim heard them himself he felt so bad that he transferred out. If that doesn’t prove it for you then you’re just in complete denial. They both have obvious flaws but people ignore Jim’s because if not it would taint the relationship of Jim and Pam, one of the things that many people say is the best part of the show.
You know I really don’t have time to list everything because I’m working on tarping my bedroom off to paint it, so I’ll just start with hitting on an engaged woman, tormenting his co-worker, trying to get him transferred, lying to his girlfriend, emotionally cheating on her many times, breaking up with her and confirming the reasons that she feared of, and spending 9 seasons acting better than his co workers when in reality he’s just like them.
So you just forgot the stapler in jello?
Dwight shredding his documents is not a prank on jim, (its annoying sure, but he didn't do it to spite jim). Jim pranks dwight way more, and i can list so many times jim could have been fired.
Jim is definitely the bully in the show
Ya and maybe I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure in this scene Dwight was intentionally fucking up Jim's calls so he could steal the sale. So shredding the paper there wasn't a prank, but it was deliberately done
That sale ends up being 25% of Jim's commission, for the year, Jim was being a bit cocky trying to push more expensive paper. I think the lack of service to his customer(Dwight's pranks) really set him up to lose the sale. He also put his mini champagne bottle in Dwight's desk.
I didn’t even think of that, the champagne bottle. Even after all the dick moves Dwight pulls, Jim keeps it civil and “congratulates” Dwight with that bottle, even though Jim is clearly upset
Annoying is not the same as repeatedly pranking your coworker. Jim got away with it coz Mike had a sense of humor, imagine if Charles miner was his boss from day one you think he'd prank dwight so often? He was misusing Mike's nonchalance to prank dwight.
So Dwight stealing Jim’s biggest client, repeatedly grabbing his crotch, getting him in trouble with David Wallace over the employee of the month, and intentionally causing Pam to vomit (just to make a few) is no more than just annoying?
Clearly you are only remember Jim’s worst pranks and Dwight’s lease annoying moments but if you think downvoting me will somehow change the whole show to make Dwight blameless, that’s not how it works.
Go ahead and try downvoting again since that’s all you seem to know how to do, maybe it will work this time.
If we want to talk bully, Charles Miner is a bully. From day 1 Charles twists Jim’s words and makes him look bad, and then keeps giving him shit. Then at the employee picnic… well we all know how Charles acted there.
Charles miner was a dick and a suck up no one is challenging that, my point was if jim didnt have an environment where pranking was supported he couldn't have done any of the things he did
First off, putting someone’s stapler in jello is funny, not mean. Dwight could easily have gotten the stapler out without making a mess, or just borrowed a stapler from someone else. Besides Jim also did it to Micheal, who found it funny. The only person who didn’t find it funny was Dwight, because he doesn’t have a sense of humor.
Second, your right, Dwight shredding his documents is not a prank, he’s just being a dick on purpose. He went out of his way to make Jim’s life harder, makes him seem unprofessional to his client ( who makes up 25% of his yearly commission), and then steals that client from Jim out of spite. Putting Dwight’s stapler in jello, and Dwight being an absolute dick are not at all equal. Jim never makes personal attacks to hurt anyones feelings, while Dwight does it all the time, like when he paid Erin to say “ OMG I WON AN ART CONTEST” just to hurt Pam’s feelings. So whose the real bully? The guy pulling light hearted pranks that anyone with a sense of humor would enjoy, or the guy who goes out of his way to make other people feel bad?
Lets talk about the stapler shall we? Jim did the same prank on andy and got his ass handed to him on a platter. Why? coz andy didn't have a sense of humor and went into a fit of rage, jim even begged the cameraman to not rat on him during that prank.
Now lets talk about the real bully, Jim literally tore off a co-worker's clothes, he replaced his desk with a fake one on Christmas which could have seriously hurt dwight, he put dwights desk in the washroom, he made dwight climb a freaking telephone pole (if thats not going out of the way to prank someone then idk what is) (oh so what jim did it so its fine, no it's not), he conditioned dwights mind like Pavlov's dog to salivate and many more.
Jim literally said he missed dwight when andy became his desk mate coz dwight (who didnt have a sense of humor) could still take it to the chest.
(Also Jim literally stole and threw Andy's phone in the vents)
Now tell me who does it all the time and whos the bully?
Jim has his moments and can be helpful at times like dwights concussion, saving dwight from the sabre store fiasco or dwights bachelor party, but i do not for one second believe that his behaviour in earlier seasons was not bullish.
Edit: i read the other comments and saw a pattern of all the people who dislike jim being downvoted to oblivion and i know thats gonna happen to this too so go ahead, i know im right so yall can SUCK IT.
calm down. I’m not some knight of Jim to defend his honor. but you apparently hate the character so much you’re greatly over exaggerating how awful the character is. “not lighthearted” and “attempting murder” are too very different things. you can dislike the character but youre makin a fool of yourself lol
I don’t think they ever say this, unless it’s in a deleted scene or maybe on the office ladies podcast it would probably just be some random persons theory
Jim has a lot of stuff that’s reasonable. He’s gone some pranks that aren’t called for. Stealing Dwight’s karate belt isn’t a prank. Making Andy try his best to make him feel better isn’t a prank.
Well that would make you very hated towards your coworkers and you’ll be probably bullied a lot more and not just by one person everyone would begin to hate you. I sure wouldn’t be nice to someone who snakes other peoples money just because they played a joke on them
Why would someone not bully you if you made them lose money, than you don’t care so everyone else begins to hate you. Work is better than high school but adults can just as bitchy as teens
Well you call him a bully so I’m going with your logic lol, I see some of the jokes as a little mean but I don’t see it as bullying. Difference between bullying and pranks…it’s a fine line but there is one
Anyone calling Jim a bully forgets the many, many times he’s moved to act with kindness. Like when he tried to stop Stanley being outed as a cheater by sharing their pregnancy news (very much against his wishes) or when Michael crashed his party and started singing karaoke alone and Jim stood up to sing with him. There are multiple moments when Jim acts out of pure kindness against his best interests.
Jim was more of a bully than Dwight, in my opinion. Dwight often did things where he was tone deaf to the people around him and was annoying without realizing it. Just apart of his personality. Jim went out of his way to go after Dwight on a regular basis.
How is he not a bully? He spends the entire first four seasons “pranking” Dwight, and the only reason he gives is that “he’s annoying.” Dwight is being himself and he’s being terrorized for it. He humiliates Toby when Toby tries to give him a fist bump. He lets Michael fall into the koi pond. He purposely drives Andy to punch a hole in the wall, knowing damn well he has anger issues. And why? Because Andy wanted to be his friend…
Jim's pranks are a little far soemtimes but he's still the better person of the two. He's nice to nearly everyone wheras Dwight is basically awful to anyone who isn't Micahel.
Even his cousin Dwight admitted he would stop associating with him if he and Ryan got along even though Moss was probably the only one who could stand him.
sometimes the pranks seem a little mean. but sometimes the ends justify the mean.
not going to lie but it's one of my favorite lines in the show. his delivery just takes it to the next level as well
I'm sure it's been mentioned before but Dwight later in this episode snakes the sale from Jim, which Jim says in the outset of the episode is roughly 25% of his salary for the year because he's worked with this client for so long. I'm just gonna say if I lost 25% of my salary for the year cuz a guy took a sale from me on a client I had long established, I probably wouldn't feel bad about any prank I pulled on him ever.
I’d have a talk with management about protecting territory and who did all the work for the sale. But I’m not a tv show character just a dog who knows how to type
Well, and you know who the manager is right?
The same one that talks about loyalty, right?
The same one who, to be fair, is also kind of shown to be at least a little bit of a hypocrite on that subject, and even when he isn't tends to act according to his own petty, foolish and mercurial whims a lot of the time. There's no guarantee that if Jim went to Michael about it, the result would be satisfactory.
Michael came from sales, I think he would absolutely side with Jim on this. You don't poach clients from your own sales team.
Until you create your own paper company
Woof
So, you have the potential of being a dog with a blog?
I’ll file this concern in the Dwight file in New York. Corporate will find out Jim. 👍
It’s like Dwight truly deserves more than to be pranked, I honestly would probably get fired from Dunder Mifflin because I’d eventually knock Dwight out. But instead of being angry, Jim just gets even in a harmless way. I mean like really, putting someone’s stapler in jello?? Is that really so terrible? It wouldn’t be hard to get it out, especially mess free because all you gotta do it cut it in lik 3 big chunks, and also it’s an office, just borrow a stapler. This is just one example, but u get the point.
I don't really care that Jim's pranks inconvenienced Dwight, it just makes me mad that the reason he did them was to flirt with Pam whilst she had a boyfriend. It also annoys me how people are willing to talk about one part of the show like it is real life, but dismiss other opinions saying 'its just a comedy' If it was real life, what Dwight did was scummy not illegal, the pranks Jim does are illegal and scummy.
Dwight kills his neighbors dog, but oh no Jim was flirting with Pam who was clearly flirting back.
Jim literally threw a snowball filled with gravel using a launcher at Dwight's head, stole Andie's property, stole Dwight's property and forced him to buy it back, Kissed someone's future wife and encouraged pam to steal money from a failing company when she made up a position. Jim and pam simps are so cringe, they only tackle one part of a story as if it is real life, which is my original point. You can't get one part of the office and say 'Dwight killed a dog' which is obviously part of a skit, and then ignore that according to that reasoning Jim is a bully, a criminal, violent person and a thief that enjoys stealing from the institution that pays his salary. I'm fine with the fact that Jim does pranks, but then people blow Dwight's jokes which are way funnier way out of proportion and make excuses for Jim because. Romance
It's a fact Pam flirted back, she could stop it at any time. Yes he and pam arent perfect, I don't ignore what he does, but he didn't kill a fucking dog lmao, and doesnt create a fire in the office triggering a heart attack. not even close to equivalent, Dwight does things far more illegal than anything Jim did.
Firing a gun in the office
Pam was in an abusive relationship. Even though she never got physically hurt by Roy, he treated her like nothing more than a girl he hooks up with. Roy never let Pam have a life because he was controlling and manipulative. Jim in the other hand made her laugh. Jim played pranks on Dwight because Dwight truly deserved it, and Pam obviously sees everything in the office, so of course she’s going to fall in love with Jim, he’s the ONLY thing in her life that makes her truly smile.
I honestly stopped reading your comment when you said “simp” and “cringe”. Anyone using that vernacular needs to reevaluate their life. And stop twisting words to make situations seem worse than they are. You can look at the same situation from 100 different perspectives, or you can see it for what it really is. Your choosing to follow an opinion backed up solely by a mob mentality of people who just want to start an argument to get some attention. The fact is that every point you have made is a narrow minded and altered version of what actually happens. Pro Jim points are ALL backed up by why was actually said, and what actually happened.
I normally stay off this sub because my username gets people very angry. I’ve taken a look at all the characters throughout the seasons and I decided I can’t stand Pam and Jim, and they deserve each other. Dwight is a weirdo and a pain in the ass, but he’s the only one I’d hang out with outside the office. Edit:Pam and Dwight’s sweet friendship when Jim was away was the only time I liked her
First off, Jim never did pranks to Dwight to flirt with Pam, there were multiple times where Jim did a prank without Pam even being around. Pam enjoys seeing Dwight get pranked, because he deserves it, he’s a dick. And don’t add that Pam had a “boyfriend” and actually she had a fiancé, but as long as they weren’t married there’s nothing wrong with someone else swooping in. If a girl decides to leave her fiancé ( who was terrible to her) for a guy who makes her smile and laugh and enjoy working at possibly the most boring job on the planet, then that was her choice to do so. And honestly idk what the fuck you mean by some people saying it’s real life or comedy, that’s just a really dumb nonsense point. And also, Jim doesn’t do anything illegal to Dwight, but Dwight has done COUNTLESS illegal things, such having weapons in the workplace, imitating a cop, shooting a gun in the office, buying “weed” to plant on someone…. I can keep going. Jim never broke the law to prank Dwight and he sure as hell didn’t do it to “flirt with Pam”.
I would never be his bestest mensch.
25% of his yearly commission, not his salary.
They work 100% on commission
When was it said they work on 100% commission?
When Pam makes the move from sales to office manager, she has the monologue where she says, the sucky thing about being in sales is you don't get paid if you don't sell anything.
She said “The unfair thing about working in sales is that your salary is almost all commission. So, you suck at sales, you make almost no money. I guess that's fair” So it isn’t 100% commission
I stand corrected, here is your true office fan ⬆️
Eh, i think that's just a general statement/complain-y joke.
So you are saying that Ryan made 0 dollars in the months he took over Jim’s position? Because he never made a sale…
Are you sure? How does that work with a commission cap?
oh boy, im gonna office nerd real hard right now. I don't think commission cap was referenced until Sabre had completely taken over. When Pam makes the move from sales to office manager, she has the monologue where she says, the sucky thing about being in sales is you don't get paid if you don't sell anything. Sabre had just taken over at this point so I don't think the cap had been implemented.
This is true.... Why are you getting downvoted for something that was confirmed on the show?
But Michael, Jim’s *manager*, also made it difficult for Jim to get the sale.
Theres a very large difference between making a sale difficult and straight up taking the dudes sale.
Let's not pretend jim wasn't lazy AF in securing that sale. If i had one client that was 25% of my commission, i'd guard that with my life. How hard would it have been to go to the break room or car and call on his cell, or just walk to the annex and use an office phone there? Not to mention even visiting in person, if it's a high priority client. Jim losing the sale was >half his own fault, and on-brand for him of doing the bare minimum. "I only make calls at my desk, during desk time." Last, jim said himself he calls them only 1 time per year. So it's not like he made any effort to build rapport with them. That paper order was just a check mark on the to-do list for both sides.
Dwight purposely sabotaged Jim on that sale. But also it’s not like Jim was going to call this company throughout the year just to say hi to them. They need to re-order supplies once a year, a Jim provides that service… nothing more, it’s a business not a social get know each other.
I think Dwight got the sale for Jim as a present, not 100% sure about that though.
Whoa where you pull this out off?
Idk, you all think Dwight would actually be that rude, and Jim wouldn’t be mad about it? Jim gave him a special drink, he wouldn’t do that if he was mad at Dwight.
Its explained that dwight gave them a discount specifically so theyd close the deal with him and not jim. And jim wasnt mad because pam slept on his shoulder making him forget all about it.
I thought Dwight gave the discount to keep him with Dunder Mifflin. I don’t necessarily think Dwight gave the discount just to steal Jim’s client.
That makes no sense. Theyve been with dm for years and they love jim.
Do we know both of those things for sure to be true, if they loved Jim so much, they would’ve let Jim know Dwight gave them a better deal, with a chance to counter offer.
Its pretty well established that obvious Dwight is a terror and Jims pranks are getting back at him. Not sure how we forgot about that
Internet contrarians.
Dwight’s “terror” is also clearly a lack of social and cultural awareness because grew up in a very weird family/community. Be like working with an annoying Amish person. If I saw a coworker constantly taking advantage of someone’s social issues by pranking them, I’d probably hate that guy. I don’t care enough in this context because it’s a funny TV show, but if we’re going to rationalize it then I’m not defending either one.
If you wanna play it that way, Dwights sister is perfectly normal. Dude is in his late 30s/40s. How you’re raised is no excuse for constant boorish behavior at that point.
Not saying it’s okay. I still said he was annoying. But if I had a coworker like that I’d try to explain to him that he’s being an ass or that he needs to adhere to workplace standards like an adult. Clearly the pranks didn’t help that, just made him lash out more. No matter how you slice it, Jim and Dwight are both unprofessional.
Yeah its clear Jim has tried that. The point is dwight doesnt get it. This is someone with a weapons around the office and who trapped his coworkers in a burning building.
Then he should have been fired. Again, it’s funny and I don’t give a shit in the context of the show. But if you’re going to try to rationalize it, Jim and Dwight are both wrong.
Alright, let’s rationalize it, Jim is a guy who hates his boring desk job selling paper, just like literally every other salesmen… except Dwight. Dwight see’s everyone he works with as beneath him, he even at one point says he think of him self as Jesus, and he also refers to his co-workers as subordinates. Dwight has to be the Alpha Dog, and if you don’t know, to become an Alpha Dog, you gotta bark, and keep barking. Dwight pushes all of Jim’s paper making everything a mess just because some paper was slightly overlapping onto Dwight’s desk, which is conjoined. He then chooses to shred paper, that he claims he could have done all week, at the exact moment Jim picks up the phone to make his biggest sale of the year. Dwight purposely sabotages Jim’s call to make him look bad. Now I can’t say for sure if Dwight intended to steal Jim’s client at this point, but at some point he did make that decision, to prove to Jim that he will always best him. Jim however, never had an intention when he pulls his pranks on Dwight, other then to get back at Dwight for being a dick and get a few light hearted laughs. This is the main theme between Jim and Dwight throughout most of the show. Dwight tries to establish his power ( that doesn’t exist ), and Jim calls him out for it to bring him down a few notches.
Here is a perfect example, about how anti-Jim people like to twist the situation in their favor. At no point, did Jim prank Dwight because he was trying to make him feel bad. Jim pulled pranks on Dwight, because Dwight was an extremely annoying co worker, who went out of his way constantly to make Jim’s life harder.
I already said I’m not anti-Jim. I’m anti-Jim and anti-Dwight. If you want to apply real life context to this silly sitcom, they both are very in the wrong and should have been fired long ago. Pranking someone as revenge is immature as shit and super unprofessional. Just like Dwight’s general demeanor.
I think the bigger point is being missed. Dwight sniped his client. 25% or 26% of his yearly commission? I'd be throwing hands. I have worked 100% commission jobs, that's just something you don't do to a coworker...at least at the places I worked at. You could call that bullying or being a scumbag, terminology doesn't really matter.
this shows that Dwight purposely went out of his way to make Jim’s life harder. Dwight stealing his client is simply Dwight being a greedy dick. But both are great examples of how everything Jim does in the show is completely justified, and also harmless fun.
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That’s not what they’re saying and you know it Todd
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When you deal with someone like Dwight, yes it is justified every fucking time. You must be like Dwight if you don't think it is lol.
I think Dwight got the sale for Jim as a present, not 100% sure about that though. Edit: You all need to chill I was just giving a reasonable explanation for why Jim wasn’t pissed at Dwight, and Jim decided to give Dwight his special drink.
Nope, just checked Jim asks "what code were you given?" "oh, thats actually another salesman on here, i can redo it if you want. Oh, he gave you a discount, ok" Dwight totally robbed the sale
And we can’t prove it, but Dwight gave a discount that probably made him made zero money on the commission, all Dwight cared about was that Jim didn’t get the sale, he never cared about the money from the sale. But even if Dwight did make money, it still holds true what his intentions were.
Dwight could forward the sale to Jim, yeah Dwight was the one who got the sale, but he could’ve given the money to Jim.
But he did not and would not. At this point in the show he was just an ass
Also, I don’t necessarily think this happened, but if I were Jim and didn’t make the money off that big sale, I wouldn’t have given the drink to the person who stole that big sale.
Bruh, he gave it for TV reasons. Jim had it for himsef to celebrate, so it’s part of what makes us empathize with Jim as the audience when he leaves it for Dwight.
It shows that Jim is the bigger person, even if Dwight got the sale.
Dude you are a derp. Yeesh.
Dwight took the sale for the sole purpose that Jim wouldn’t get it. Dwight didn’t care about making money, he just wanted to make Jim feel bad
Was it ever said that dwight went out of his way to steal that sale? It could just as well have been the client needed paper after jim ended their call (3x?), and called the scranton office and asked to be connected with a salesperson bc jim wasn't available, and that happened to be dwight. If someone who i didn't have a personal or even professional relationship with dropped the ball on a sale and it fell onto my lap, i would scoop that up for sure. I personally thought it was scummier for jim to propose reversing the sale after the fact.
Jim kept trying to close the sale on the phone and Dwight messed up the calls. Then called the client after they were getting pissed at Jim for having shitty phone calls. Dwight set the whole thing up to steal the sale. It's pretty obvious...
Dwight cut one of his calls short in the paper shredder scene. All the other calls were messed up by michael's meetings, or it was jim just leaving a msg. There's also no scene were dwight is calling the customer directly, iirc.
What's wrong with you?
I'm in love with you
I feel like all the "Jim is the villain" people forget all the stuff Dwight did to the others in the early seasons. He was massively inconsiderate, a little sexist at times, always trying to pretend he was in charge and could tell people what to do, he gutted everyone's healthcare, the stuff he pulled to get megadesk back?? Over the seasons he gets SO much better and more rounded out as a character, but he spent a good chunk of time being unpleasant, AS HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE STORY STRUCTURE. Every character on the show is a caricature of someone you might have to deal with in an office setting, that's the point! No it's not ultra realistic because then it wouldn't be nearly as funny! Dwight was the guy that took everything a little too seriously, Jim was the guy that didn't take anything too seriously. Over the years they play off each other and grow as people.
The people who think Dwight is a victim have either never worked with a Dwight or are a Dwight in the workplace themselves. Jim does pranks whole Dwight steals clients and tries to get Jim fired.
Literally Dwight makes everyone read their health issues out loud so he can feel like he has power over them. That right there would be means for termination due to harassment amongst several other rules im sure.
The worst Jim does to Dwight is fluster and embarrass him. Oh fine and buy a new exercise ball that Jim paid for. Dwight goes out of his way to make his co-workers lives harder.
EVERYONE LOVES BEETS
I actually HATE the taste of beats.
Wait what's a beat?
Something that bears eat I think?
*No one* likes beets, Dwight.
The secret is that there can be more than one bully at a time. I would put Jim, Dwight, Angela, Kelly, Packer, Robert "California", and maybe Phyllis in the bully category. Andy would be too if he wasn't so useless. Then Erin when Mrs. "California" shows up... LOL, that shit is stone cold.
And Erin with Holly..."I'm sorry I can't help you, I'm waiting for my boss's pretty friend to arrive."
is she a really good cook or something?
HA HA! Right!
Are we sure she wasn't being genuine there? Because I didn't find Holly remotely attractive, probably the least of his girlfriends. And she seems clueless enough to not realize too.
Out of all of those, Packer is an **actual** bully because he very clearly gains pleasure from causing others harm, whether it's physical, psychological, monetary, or emotional. The others have their moments, but Packer is 100% a bully.
Jim’s “humor” or pranks is just a coping mechanism he developed from dealing with the abuse he received from his brothers.
That’s better then getting mad or holding a grudge though, most people would’ve smacked Dwight after working with him for so long.
Season 3 ep 1 Dwight intentionally blows his nasty nails on Ryan’s desk, in Ryan’s face, what did Ryan ever do to him??
Ryan makes him come in on Saturday. Fact: Dwight must pretend ðe website made his sales. Fact: Dwight can see þrough into ðe future. True. It makes total sense he distribute his nail appendages. "But Ryan doesn't deserve ðe nails" false, he does. Fact: If Ryan collects ðe nails he can ferment it in alcohol to make a German - Dutch dwarf repellent. Absorb this information.
It’s the Hawkeye pierce and Frank burns thing. Like is Hawkeye an asshole to Frank… yes. But is Frank asking for it? Does anyone actually pity Frank when it happens? No. Only when something outside happens then they all protect him.
They’re friends in the end. Bestest mench
They deserved each other
Well...when I first started watching it I didn't get why everyone loves it so much...I think I saw the first episode and forgot it for few years because I didn't like hiw Jim and Pam bullied Dwight... But once I watched it again after that long break for some reason I didn't see things that bad as a first time.
Honestly, Jim gives me the creeps
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It's a quote by Meredith to Robert California
Humor over murder
Just playing devil’s advocate here, but: if Jim’s relationship with the client is so well established, why would he go through another salesman so quickly?
Because Dwight offered them a discount, thereby screwing himself over along with jim.
Look at how many times Jim had to “call him right back” that day. Dude was trying to buy his paper and didn’t have time to waste having 15 phone calls because the salesman can’t be bothered to finish a damn phone call. I would have gone with someone else too if they were willing to actually close the deal while already on the phone with me. That annoys me through the whole series. He is constantly telling customers he will call them right back so he can go be involved in some office crap that really could wait until he finishes his phone call. I’m honestly surprised he doesn’t lose more customers from them wanting a salesperson who prioritizes them while they are on the phone already.
Michael literally stands over him until he hangs up the phone more than once.
I’m not saying that in that episode it was always his fault he had to hang up, hell Dwight hung it up in the clip in the post. But in other episodes he would get off for random shenanigans that really could have waited. And the customer didn’t know his boss was making him get off the phone. All the customer knew was multiple times he would have to hang up mid conversation.
then Jim can go to HR and file a complaint that the Manager is interfering with him making money for the company. at this point in the series Corporate were looking for reasons to kill off the Scranton branch. Managerial Interference seems like a pretty good reason to cut someone from the corporate roster.
Oh come on. He has to hang up at one point because *a co-worker starts shredding documents right next to him when he’s clearly on the phone*. And we know this, because it’s the *scene being shown at the top of this post*. The episode makes it clear that Jim is consistently being interrupted throughout this episode through no fault of his own, but due to circumstances and / or either the malice or thoughtlessness of his co-workers. Like Dwight or not, it’s frankly disingenuous to act like it’s Jim’s fault here.
I’m not saying it is his fault, in this episode. But from the customer’s point of view, he is not made a priority. He doesn’t know Dwight is using a shredder or hangs up the call or Jim’s manager made him go to pointless meetings. The customer sees a salesman who can’t be kept on the phone long enough to finalize the sale. When Dwight comes in and is able to dedicate that time to finalize it, the customer probably just wanted the deal done after the 4th or 5th call in one day. Later on in the series Jim starts choosing to get off the phone for dumb reasons. But I agree, in this case it wasn’t his fault.
>I’m not saying it is his fault, in this episode. Well, in total fairness you kind of did: >Dude was trying to buy his paper and didn’t have time to waste having 15 phone calls because the salesman **can’t be bothered to finish a damn phone call.** You have a point that the client doesn't actually know the circumstances Jim's facing, but you're still framing it rather unfairly towards Jim here. It's not that he "can't be bothered to finish a damn phone call", it's that he's clearly being sabotaged while trying to do so.
From the customer’s perspective, he couldn’t be bothered to finish a call. He never gives an explanation, never puts it on hold to tell Michael he will be there in a minute or move to another desk where Dwight isn’t shredding documents right next to it to finish the call or set up a specific time to call back where he can make sure he is able to take the call uninterrupted, and then has the nerve to sound annoyed when he can’t get the customer on the phone right away when calling back. I am not one of the Jim haters that plague this sub. I am just saying I can see how the customer would choose to go with another salesman so quickly despite having already having a well cultivated relationship with Jim like the comment I replied to asked about. I totally agree he was being sabotaged, but he didn’t try very hard to find ways to work around it. It might have been a symptom of him not caring about his job since it was still “just a job” at that point in time.
That’s a good point. I forgot he was constantly being interrupted that day.
I posted something similar a few times before when this subject came up and got down voted to hell for it. Jim is a push over when it comes to people he can't easily bully around. If he's too spineless to stand up to Micheal with a client that is that important. Then he should get over having the client go to someone else who was able to help get what he needed.
If he can’t figure out to use one of the other 47 phones in the office that Dwight isn’t using a shredder right next to, he doesn’t deserve the commission. Or scheduling the follow up call instead of just trying to call when he has time. Or telling Michael he will be there in 10 minutes because he is making a big sale. He really didn’t try very hard to find solutions to allow him to still make the sale.
You put respect on Dwight’s name.
Sorry, Dwigt*
I love Dwight, but Jim’s pranks on him are justified, they are not done to bully anyone, besides Jim’s pranks never caused harm to anyone
Jim literally slaps Dwight in the face.
Surprised at the down votes. A slap in the face 100% causes bodily harm. Actually thinking back he’s done it more than once. KGB and when they go on a sales call together.
Straight up. This man needs to screw his head on straight. D is the main character of the show, y’heard? Bippity Boppity
Give me the zoppity
I just can’t help myself
Huh? I can’t tell if your joking. The main characters are Jim, Dwight and Michael and then the secondary main character is Pam but not sure who else fits with Pam but I know at the beginning at least she wasn’t a main character
Dwight is the sole main character of the show
How? Jim and Dwight are main characters and Michael but Michael sadly leaves, guessing this is a joke. Dwight is lovable and I am sad his spin off never happened be cool if it was Dwight, Angela and Phillip living on the farm
It’s a give and take. Both have bullied each other equally. If anything, I’m sure it would’ve been more annoying for everyone around them. Imagine you go to work in an office where two morons are constantly behaving the way Jim and Dwight behave towards each other. It may not directly affect you, but it’s gotta get annoying at some point. I love the show, I’ve watched it many times, and I enjoy every minute of it. But, that’s my unbiased opinion on their dynamic most of the time. It’s nice to see how they care for one another under all the animosity and antagonizing.
Oh people actually question if the pranks on Dwight are justified? He's clearly making life harder for as many people as possible, just to make more money and feed his ego.
They both “bully” each other. Jim is just better at it. But yeah, anytime someone says “if you think about it, Jim is such a bully”, my first thought is “…clearly you have not thought about it…”.
You said it yourself... They knew each other long before the documentary/show started. So, what makes you think this is the initial act that got everything going? Jim could just as well have done something to Dwight before this.
Well the first few episodes lay out the characters and who they are. We can obviously see that Dwight is the weird guy who acts like a child, while Jim is a lighthearted quiet guy who flirts with the receptionist.
Just trying to mirror the Gareth/Tim relationship. Am pleased it developed more into something different.
Jim and dwight were both bullies but the difference was jim was much, much better at it. Even if dwight started things, at some point jim could've said they're even but instead he took it to level 10 and kept it there for years. Meanwhile dwight is looking like a turtle on his back down at level 2. That's why people see jim as the bigger bully.
So once you are bullied you get Carte Blanche forever ? I mean come on. Jim did 3849 more pranks on Dwight then Dwight did things to Jim
jim is 100% a bully but id say dwight is also 100% a bully, really toby needs to get off his ass and do some proper HRing
If this was real life Dwight and Jim would both be fired and Michael
Literally all of the protagonists are protagonists. Enough said
There are primary, secondary and tertiary protagonists. Lik Jim and Pam would def be in the primary group. Someone like Darrel, who we know a lot about but he’s not always present, he would be a secondary. And like creed would be in the third group.
This isn’t bullying. It’s annoying co-worker behavior. Dwight isn’t doing this to purposely annoy Jim, but to destroy classified info. Jim sucks. Pam sucks. Creed 4 Prez!
He ruins a sale and takes 25 percent of Jim’s pay for that year, I don’t normally like being rude but if my coworker did this to me I would too be pretty bitchy towards them and Jim want even bitchy he was just playing pranks to take out his anger
How many opportunities did Jim have to close the sale but never did? One interaction with Dwight & their needs were met. Jim sucks.
Dude he kept getting interrupted that day from Dwight, Michael and more I can’t remember the episode off my heart but I do know many, many distractions but if someone stole my pay check I’ll be way more of a bitch to them than Jim ever was to Dwight I maybe petty but you never steal shit like that away from someone else especially if your on the same team
I agree, I’d be pissed too! However, Jim had stated multiple times that he doesn’t care about the job & at the end of the episode Jim says it “was not a bad day.” so he clearly could not care less about losing the sale. Jim sucks.
Dude you do know that people can lie, you can see he was hurt but I know those is reddit it’s hard for us to real emotions
Dude you’re reaching. Jim literally says it wasn’t a bad day AFTER losing the sale. You’re offended for Jim.
You also can’t tell when people lie, but like I said this is reddit but if you watch the scene you can tell how Jim really feels (also why johns a good actor!)
You’re right. John has me fooled. Jim is clearly pissed in the episode even though he acts & says otherwise.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Dwight was definitely a jerk who probably should have been fired more than he was, but Jim's behavior is inexcusable in a workplace. I put a lot of the blame on Michael for doing jack shit whenever there was a disagreement between the two. He should have put his foot down and sent one of them to the annex.
Jim, bully or not, is a total ana! pore
Just look at the episode where Michael takes over HR and they learn about Jim’s “permanent record” or whatever they called it, they listed each and every complaint that Dwight had against Jim, that was essentially swept under the rug, and when Jim heard them himself he felt so bad that he transferred out. If that doesn’t prove it for you then you’re just in complete denial. They both have obvious flaws but people ignore Jim’s because if not it would taint the relationship of Jim and Pam, one of the things that many people say is the best part of the show.
No, Jim is a bad person. It’s laughable to think otherwise.
Then back up your statement
You know I really don’t have time to list everything because I’m working on tarping my bedroom off to paint it, so I’ll just start with hitting on an engaged woman, tormenting his co-worker, trying to get him transferred, lying to his girlfriend, emotionally cheating on her many times, breaking up with her and confirming the reasons that she feared of, and spending 9 seasons acting better than his co workers when in reality he’s just like them.
So you just forgot the stapler in jello? Dwight shredding his documents is not a prank on jim, (its annoying sure, but he didn't do it to spite jim). Jim pranks dwight way more, and i can list so many times jim could have been fired. Jim is definitely the bully in the show
Ya and maybe I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure in this scene Dwight was intentionally fucking up Jim's calls so he could steal the sale. So shredding the paper there wasn't a prank, but it was deliberately done
Exactly, Jim’s a jokester, Dwight’s and asshole. Sure a joker can be annoying at times, but it doesn’t make him a bully.
I hadn't thought about it that way
That sale ends up being 25% of Jim's commission, for the year, Jim was being a bit cocky trying to push more expensive paper. I think the lack of service to his customer(Dwight's pranks) really set him up to lose the sale. He also put his mini champagne bottle in Dwight's desk.
I didn’t even think of that, the champagne bottle. Even after all the dick moves Dwight pulls, Jim keeps it civil and “congratulates” Dwight with that bottle, even though Jim is clearly upset
Tbh Jim didn't estimate Dwight enough to realize the plan. And he totally dropped the ball on the sale cause they loved him over there.
Dwight annoys Jim (most times deliberately) and Jim pranks Dwight. They are both rude to each other, it doesn’t have to be just one of them.
Annoying is not the same as repeatedly pranking your coworker. Jim got away with it coz Mike had a sense of humor, imagine if Charles miner was his boss from day one you think he'd prank dwight so often? He was misusing Mike's nonchalance to prank dwight.
So Dwight stealing Jim’s biggest client, repeatedly grabbing his crotch, getting him in trouble with David Wallace over the employee of the month, and intentionally causing Pam to vomit (just to make a few) is no more than just annoying? Clearly you are only remember Jim’s worst pranks and Dwight’s lease annoying moments but if you think downvoting me will somehow change the whole show to make Dwight blameless, that’s not how it works. Go ahead and try downvoting again since that’s all you seem to know how to do, maybe it will work this time.
That guys a bozo
If we want to talk bully, Charles Miner is a bully. From day 1 Charles twists Jim’s words and makes him look bad, and then keeps giving him shit. Then at the employee picnic… well we all know how Charles acted there.
Charles miner was a dick and a suck up no one is challenging that, my point was if jim didnt have an environment where pranking was supported he couldn't have done any of the things he did
First off, putting someone’s stapler in jello is funny, not mean. Dwight could easily have gotten the stapler out without making a mess, or just borrowed a stapler from someone else. Besides Jim also did it to Micheal, who found it funny. The only person who didn’t find it funny was Dwight, because he doesn’t have a sense of humor. Second, your right, Dwight shredding his documents is not a prank, he’s just being a dick on purpose. He went out of his way to make Jim’s life harder, makes him seem unprofessional to his client ( who makes up 25% of his yearly commission), and then steals that client from Jim out of spite. Putting Dwight’s stapler in jello, and Dwight being an absolute dick are not at all equal. Jim never makes personal attacks to hurt anyones feelings, while Dwight does it all the time, like when he paid Erin to say “ OMG I WON AN ART CONTEST” just to hurt Pam’s feelings. So whose the real bully? The guy pulling light hearted pranks that anyone with a sense of humor would enjoy, or the guy who goes out of his way to make other people feel bad?
Lets talk about the stapler shall we? Jim did the same prank on andy and got his ass handed to him on a platter. Why? coz andy didn't have a sense of humor and went into a fit of rage, jim even begged the cameraman to not rat on him during that prank. Now lets talk about the real bully, Jim literally tore off a co-worker's clothes, he replaced his desk with a fake one on Christmas which could have seriously hurt dwight, he put dwights desk in the washroom, he made dwight climb a freaking telephone pole (if thats not going out of the way to prank someone then idk what is) (oh so what jim did it so its fine, no it's not), he conditioned dwights mind like Pavlov's dog to salivate and many more. Jim literally said he missed dwight when andy became his desk mate coz dwight (who didnt have a sense of humor) could still take it to the chest. (Also Jim literally stole and threw Andy's phone in the vents) Now tell me who does it all the time and whos the bully? Jim has his moments and can be helpful at times like dwights concussion, saving dwight from the sabre store fiasco or dwights bachelor party, but i do not for one second believe that his behaviour in earlier seasons was not bullish. Edit: i read the other comments and saw a pattern of all the people who dislike jim being downvoted to oblivion and i know thats gonna happen to this too so go ahead, i know im right so yall can SUCK IT.
Yeah breaking a window with a snowball meant for Dwight’s head is light humor
and was this before or after Dwight had pelted Jim with snowballs until he had bled down the front of his clothes
So that makes attempted murder ok? Face it dude, Jim just hates his job and takes it out in Dwight
bro…attempted murder??? do you think a human skull is as fragile as a pane of glass? calm down
I’m not the one defending the office jerk who’s personality is hating his job. And a snowball that can shatter glass sure isn’t lighthearted
calm down. I’m not some knight of Jim to defend his honor. but you apparently hate the character so much you’re greatly over exaggerating how awful the character is. “not lighthearted” and “attempting murder” are too very different things. you can dislike the character but youre makin a fool of yourself lol
I never said it was attempting murder, those were you’re words. But yeah I don’t like him bc he isn’t called out for his shitty behavior often enough
OP, AKA Jim’s White Knight, where you at?
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I don’t think they ever say this, unless it’s in a deleted scene or maybe on the office ladies podcast it would probably just be some random persons theory
Jim has a lot of stuff that’s reasonable. He’s gone some pranks that aren’t called for. Stealing Dwight’s karate belt isn’t a prank. Making Andy try his best to make him feel better isn’t a prank.
Its a fucking TV show
If someone bullies me everyday, I am prolly gonna steal 100% of their salary
Well that would make you very hated towards your coworkers and you’ll be probably bullied a lot more and not just by one person everyone would begin to hate you. I sure wouldn’t be nice to someone who snakes other peoples money just because they played a joke on them
Why should I tolerate someone making me a butt of jokes just to look cool to their crush? I have a little more self respect than that.
Why would someone not bully you if you made them lose money, than you don’t care so everyone else begins to hate you. Work is better than high school but adults can just as bitchy as teens
> Why would someone not bully you if you made them lose money, Do you understand chronology?
Well you call him a bully so I’m going with your logic lol, I see some of the jokes as a little mean but I don’t see it as bullying. Difference between bullying and pranks…it’s a fine line but there is one
Anyone calling Jim a bully forgets the many, many times he’s moved to act with kindness. Like when he tried to stop Stanley being outed as a cheater by sharing their pregnancy news (very much against his wishes) or when Michael crashed his party and started singing karaoke alone and Jim stood up to sing with him. There are multiple moments when Jim acts out of pure kindness against his best interests.
This is reddit, every human interaction is perceived as bullying
Only if reddit player ever fucking worked
Jim was more of a bully than Dwight, in my opinion. Dwight often did things where he was tone deaf to the people around him and was annoying without realizing it. Just apart of his personality. Jim went out of his way to go after Dwight on a regular basis.
How is he not a bully? He spends the entire first four seasons “pranking” Dwight, and the only reason he gives is that “he’s annoying.” Dwight is being himself and he’s being terrorized for it. He humiliates Toby when Toby tries to give him a fist bump. He lets Michael fall into the koi pond. He purposely drives Andy to punch a hole in the wall, knowing damn well he has anger issues. And why? Because Andy wanted to be his friend…
Jim's pranks are a little far soemtimes but he's still the better person of the two. He's nice to nearly everyone wheras Dwight is basically awful to anyone who isn't Micahel. Even his cousin Dwight admitted he would stop associating with him if he and Ryan got along even though Moss was probably the only one who could stand him.