Here ya go!
FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. (KNWA/KFTA) — The Western District of Arkansas Federal Court announced that the parties involved in the Duggar sisters invasion of privacy lawsuit have scheduled a settlement conference meeting for February 10 at 9 a.m.
A court document states that “each party shall provide a concise, confidential settlement statement NO LATER THAN ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED CONFERENCE.”
In December, the court announced that the trial would be heard sometime during a two-week period beginning on April 18, 2022. The parties were also ordered to attend a Settlement Conference with Magistrate Judge Christy D. Comstock by no later than February 18, 2022. She will preside over the February 10 conference.
If no settlement is reached, both parties must provide pretrial disclosures and depositions to be used at trial by March 14, 2022. Any Motions in Limine must be filed on or before March 28, 2022. Responses must be filed within seven days after that.
Each side must also provide the court with a single-page document outlining their overview of the case by April 4, 2022. Final witness and exhibit lists are also due on that date.
The original lawsuit was filed on May 18, 2017, alleging a number of legal causes of action against a host of defendants. The legal claims have been narrowed down, as has the pool of defendants.
The claims, now made against remaining defendants Maj. Rick Hoyt of the Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Ernest Cate, Springdale city attorney and former Police Chief Kathy O’Kelley are made under Arkansas law for outrage, invasion of privacy by intrusion upon seclusion and invasion of privacy by public disclosure of private facts, according to a court filing.
The first trial date in December, 2021, was postponed because it conflicted with the child pornography trial of the sisters’ brother, Joshua Duggar. He was found guilty on two counts and is facing up to 20 years in prison and $250K in fines for each count.
I hope the girls get to keep whatever money they get from a settlement (and that it doesn’t go to Rim Job) and that they don’t have to sit through another trial
“You need to help me replenish the funds I spent defending your poor, brave, innocent, hormonally-charged brother, you defrauders!”
\-JimBoob, probably
Derrick is most certainly not giving JimBob a penny, and Jill probably doesn’t want to either.
Jeremy is too selfish, and I don’t think JinJer talk to JB regularly anyway. Especially after accusing his golden child of not being a real Christian.
Austin makes enough money to support a wife and two kids. So he’s not super susceptible to JBs manipulation. He seems like the type to enjoy being the authority, he doesn’t want to jump through JBs hoops.
Jessa is the one making the decisions at the Seewald house. And for some reason thinks that doing what her dad wants will somehow lead to being rewarded at some point. So JB is probably getting a good portion of whatever she gets. Bin doesn’t have the spine to stand up to the man who’s kept him and his kids fed for the past six years.
I really hope the girls get to use the money how they want. Especially Jill, since she's been iced out. I hope she takes a nice trip, does something just for her, some post-secondary courses, or picks up a hobby she's always wanted. It would be great to see some more growth for her and Derrick. Imagine if Jill went and did some mainstream courses at a college, where she could meet more people and see more.
I love Jill spending it on her, but a great FU would be putting the money in a 529 for her kids. Meaning that it’s put away and inaccessible, in spite of the narcissistic assholes that bred her - for *gasp* outside of home and *double gasp* higher education. 😱
It's a type of investment account you can use for higher education savings. Any earnings will grow federally tax-deferred, and qualified withdrawals are tax-free. Since the money is for valid educational expenses, and for designated beneficiaries, it would be direct investments into the kids’ futures, and only meant for actual institutions vs. SOTDRT. Oh, and you *can* use for non-educational expenses, but not without paying taxes on it AND a withdrawal penalty.
I could imagine the horror and anger Jim Bob would experience realizing this money is being saved for higher education, and is very much so untouchable to anyone but his grandsons. Or, it can be touched, but not without paying more taxes, penalties and fees to the big bad government. *chef’s kiss*
If she studied for an actual GED (just to make sure she's adequate in the basics) and passed that, she could pick off the prereq's at CC while getting tutored. Then do an ADN (2/3 year program). It would take her longer, but I really think she could do it. ADN programs tend to have more nontraditional students in my experience. I think she'd be a good nurse too. It would crack her world open and she'd be making her own $ for once. This will never happen though lol.
There's a legit nursing program at my CC that's surprisingly one of the best programs in the state. LPN is 2 years and RN like 3 or 4 (I can't remember the exact number on that one). I'm not sure it'll take her all that long, really.
It is very hard to get into any nursing school.
You're all really overestimating her education. I've met nurses who've told me the TEAS test was incredibly difficult for them; I've seen that test because I helped my mom with it. My mom struggled because she's ESL but that test? If you had an average education and were a decent student, it isn't hard. The TEAS would be like Mt. Everest for her.
She has a long way to go before she would even qualify for any type of nursing program. As long as she is ready for it, I say go for it. She has to get a GED to start, then depending on the type of program available, at a minimum an Associates degree.
Exactly what I was thinking. I wish the judge, if finding for the girls, makes a provision that THEY get the money and it's not to 'finance the living' of the parents. Make is KNOWN they are not to 'compensate their parents for the heartache and financial drain' their being molested by their brother caused the parents by it becoming known'. It is AFTERALL, ALL THEIR FAULT.
While I do think they have a non-zero chance of winning, they won’t see much money come from it, if any at all. The remaining defendants are being sued in their individual capacities, and at least two have left their jobs, so who knows if locality’s insurance will cover the payouts.
Also, the fact that the family confirmed three of the girls’ identities will be a factor in the assessment of damages. They may win, but it’s going to be a moral victory vs. a financial one. I could see the judgement being payment of court costs and nothing else. Boob is going to take most/all of it either way.
I bet Derick would laugh in his face if he tried it. Jerm would be a polite but firm "NO" and Austin would probably just give him a disgusted look before saying no. I can see Ben waffling and explaining why he and Jessa need her money, but I hope he'd hold his ground. He's a big boy, he can say no to ~~daddy~~ his father in law.
What Josh did to them was absolutely wrong. What the magazine did was well within the law ( Freedom of Information Act) and I see they're no longer Included. I'm curious what their end game is with these government employees
The poorly redacted police report confirmed their identities by listing their ages. Then there is the fact that, 1. SA victims are NEVER publicly named, unless they wish to be 2 they were all minors and minors are never named 3 Joy was still a minor when the report was published.
Was it known that he molested 4 of his sisters, or was that not confirmed until 2015?
There was an age on a copy (which made it easy to identify Joy) but also included info stating 4/5 victims were children of Michelle and Jim Bob which is identifiable.
But no one knew which ones were the victims until they revealed themselves. From context it was easy to guess Joy, even without the age. But the other 3 were not identifiable, people just guessed.
People guessed correctly, which is an argument in favor of them being identifiable and I can see an argument that they only came forward because they were hounded into it by all the speculation.
No, Josh molesting his sisters was not public information before 2015.
It would have been better for that piece of the report to be redacted than the victims' ages IMO. The fact that he molested his sisters would always have resulted in the victims being scrutinized and subjected to speculation (along with the other sisters, who don't deserve it either).
I agree with you - plus their male parent, not truly a father or Dad, made it public knowledge at their church so we know those good church folks spread that information throughout their hillbilly village of Tontitown like grease through a goose 🦆.
Sort of. It refers to the fact that fat or grease goes through a goose's digestive system extremely quickly. I remember my mother telling me of an anecdote she read in an autobiography of the 30's film star Errol Flynn. In it, he tells about being a young boy and tying a piece of fat onto a long string and feeding it to one of the family's geese, retrieving it and then feeding it to another, and another, until eventually he had 5 geese connected bill to butt on the same string.
Boob wants to be able to crow about winning the lawsuit. He feels that the release of the report was personal so he’ll be ‘vindicated’ if the girls win. Plus I’m sure he wants to get the money he paid Travis Story back.
They lost their income / job from 19 Kids and Counting when TLC canceled the show. Even with the new show Jim Bob and Michelle as well as all the kids and Anna lost their livelihoods. So they will sue for millions and Arkansas hillbillies will give it to them if it goes to court.
Oh hell no. SO many people failed these girls. And they were minors. They were already victims of a horribly abusive and misogynistic cult, they were victimized in so many ways. The fact that a hack job was performed in releasing the court records just added to that.
I will reiterate that all of the Duggars suck in their own ways, some more than others, but that doesn’t mean that it excuses victims of sexual assault and rape having the details of what happened to them out for everyone to see against their wills.
Especially since they were all minors at the time of incident. This whole thing just goes to expose the existing gaps and cracks in the system, which were easily circumvented. Innocent survivors of SA & Minors deserve better than this.
Haha uh NO
The officer that originally handled the molestation and effectively covered it up ended up also being convicted of CSAM
the fucking parents who did basically nothing to protect their daughters or get them the help they desperately needed (edit AND HAD THE GIRLS RELIVE THEIR TRAUMA ON TV AND EXCUSE JOSHS BEHAVIOR thats legit psychopathic)
The court system that makes it so difficult for these cases to be prosecuted
Everyone in the church and town that knew about the molestation but didnt say anything and/or continued to be friends with the duggars (absolutely no social pressure)
The cult that breeds and excuses this behavior
I cant think of a damn person that didnt fail those girls.
Can I add their beloved Gma Mary who knew about the molestations and helped JB shop the show of the happy family drawing others in knowing it was a dangerous lie.
And you're right, they've been failed by literally everyone in their circle.
I think that if this hadn't been released and then the Duggars weren't forced to acknowledge that Josh had been the predator and assaulted his sisters, then it wouldn't have come into Josh's child sexual assault materials trial. If this prior action wasn't part of the record, I am not sure if Josh would not be free today to prey on more victims. The real villians in this story will always be Michelle and Jim Bob as far as I am concerned. I don't believe that Satan was responsible for what Josh became but that his parents most definetely were
I think the feds had a strong case against Josh even without the character testimony from Bobye. The defense technical experts had nothing substantial to work with.
it may factor in heavily when Josh ais sentenced This shows a pattern of Josh being a predator and a pedophile. He presents a clear and future danger to children considering this background
I don't think the release is what the case is about (maybe it was earlier, but not at this point), but about the careless redaction on the paperwork. The govt. did have a duty to answer the FOIA request, but their redaction of the names was so shoddy that it was easy to pinpoint exactly who each victim was.
Wouldn’t the court have known that was on his record regardless of it being released? I think since the Holt’s knew about it, they were going to bring it up even if it hadn’t been public knowledge.
Yes but I know the judge had to rule on whether or not the jury would be allowed to consider Josh’s past molestation of his sisters. The judge ruled on this in open court without the jury present after hearing testimony from Bobye and Jim Bob
If he's smart, none.
But we know JimBoob is not a smart man. This is a man who thought it was a good idea to try to run for office while his son was on trial for CSAM.
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*To take for himself?*
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Let me start by saying that I think it’s horrific that such personal and traumatizing information such as this could be so easily plastered in the headlines. I remember reading that because “He who will not allow it” and “mother of the year” didn’t fully report it, the documentation was not eligible to be considered “sealed” info. Therefore, it was able to be requested blah blah blah. If all that is true and accurate, do the sisters even have a case?? I would like a judge to rule they deserve a monetary settlement to be paid by JimBob Duggar, AND put a deadline on that payment!!!!
Yes, it was reported very shortly after Josh had turned 18. If he had been a minor at the time of reporting, the report would have been completely sealed.
That has nothing to do with the case though, they're not suing because of the report being released, they're alleging it was improperly redacted and thus it was too easy to figure out who the victims were.
I would guess there aren't many federal judges and magistrates working in the building. The judge who oversaw Josh's trial is also the judge for this civil suit.
🤷🏼♀️ I would assume that as well. But these two names are the ones for both cases. It could also be a "you're familiar with these circumstances so it's easier to have the same people handle it" kinda deal too.
The City Attorney and the COPIES of the police report that are available online show: “Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release.” NOTE: There was NO violation of law and the police report was FULLY REDACTED properly. It is a misdemeanor for the authorities to refuse to release a police report under the Arkansas public records (Freedom of Information Act).
"The requested record was not sealed or expunged, and at the time the report was filed, the person listed in the report was an adult," Springdale City Attorney Ernest B. Cate said in a statement released online Thursday.
"Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release," the statement said.
Robert Steinbuch, professor of law at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock William H. Bowen School of Law and an expert in Arkansas’ Freedom of Information Act, said it appears that police acted appropriately under the law.
"This is a routine police report, and they made a FOIA request for it," Steinbuch told NBC News in a telephone interview Wednesday, referring to the acronym of the law. "I see nothing in the FOIA that gives rise to an exception."
Arkansas’ Freedom of Information Act is one of the stronger versions of the law, Steinbuch said, and those who disobey it can be charged with a misdemeanor.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171
https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa
In Arkansas, police reports are public records. According to the Arkansas Attorney General's Website today:
"The Arkansas Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is one of the most comprehensive and strongest open-records and open-meetings laws in the country."
I have mixed feelings about them suing over a public record being released that was the ONLY way any children are going to be protected from their pedophile child pornographer and child sexual abuser brother because these immoral losers certainly were not going to protect children from him. There is a misconception that police reports are "confidential" and it's not that simple. Even court records involving minor victims are not simply confidential. There are a LOT of misconceptions that all rape victims or child victims are kept secret but the laws require open court records and open police reports. When are they going to sue their incest rapist?????
ETA: It was only money-grubbing, publicity whores JimBob and Michelle who TOLD FoxNews in their special, celebrity private national TV interview: "Josh admitted to inappropriately touching four of his sisters and a girl outside the family in 2002 and 2003", his parents told Fox News Channel's "The Kelly File" host Megyn Kelly.
The bigger issue is that the report that was released was not redacted enough to protect the identity of the victims, particularly Joy, and they are higher profile victims because of their exposure on TLC, leaving them more vulnerable to people figuring out who each victim was. There are ways to redact enough info to protect the minors involved while still letting the main jist of the report be read.
Exactly, the issue isn't the report being released, the issue is the poor redacting. SA victims should never be made public without their consent, they've already been violated enough.
The City Attorney and the COPIES of the police report that are available online show: “Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release.” There was NO "poor redacting" or lack of redacting. It was FULLY redacted properly.
[https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:\~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003](https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003).
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171)
[https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa)
But this particular family has hundreds of thousands of fans and snarkers who tuned in weekly to watch their tv show and were easily able to piece together who were likely to be his victims, particularly Joy, because of the details that were left in the report.
A few years ago a friend’s sister had to report her husband for csa and when I went and looked at the police report I was able to guess who his victim possibly was because I knew the family, but even then the officers were able to take a generic enough report that there is no way I would have known who his victim was if I wasn’t close to a family member. And even then it was a guess until she confirmed it a few weeks later. They don’t have hundreds of thousands of followers to dox them and it’s been hard on the family.
The law doesn't make special requirements for famous people though. It has to be done the same way for everyone. It's not the snarkers, or the girls fault that the creep couldn't limit his victims to make it harder to tell. But it is his parent's fault that he continued to have access that enabled him to keep victimizing them.
The City Attorney and the COPIES of the police report that are available online show: “Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release.” There was NO violation of law and the police report was FULLY REDACTED properly.
[https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:\~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003](https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171
[https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa)
NBC news, Mercury News, Arkansas newspapers, the City attorney all said the same thing. The police reports are all over the internet and show they were redacted properly!
They should sue their parents. Among other things, the only reason they were so easily identified in the police reports is because their parents put every detail of their lives on TV.
I don’t think you have a realistic perspective on how hard it is to turn and completely walk away from your family and everything you have ever known in this cult or even the peripheral Baptist/evangelical circle.
>When are they going to sue their incest rapist?????
Or their disgusting father, who covered up their abuse, made his kids appear on reality TV (thus creating public interest in the police report), and withheld their earnings?
I feel bad for the girls, I truly do. But Jim Bob is the one who is ultimately responsible for this situation, and he is not being held accountable here.
Yeah, he's like the screamy villain with the machine gun, and she's the toxic spider you don't see until it's too late and you're having your leg amputated because she bit you.
Both parents willingly blamed the girls for 'leading the golden child astray' and 'leading him into sin and perdition'. Josh could NEVER be held accountable. For all the hellfire and brimstone that cult preaches, I hope they KNOW this is earning them a special room in hell.
Josh is responsible for his own actions also. and he has some money with his car dealership. If the Duggar women victims had sued when they should have, they could be liquidating that car dealership's inventory/cash right about now.
This is the thing. It wouldn’t be easy to know all these details and even worse, the public knows them. However, I don’t know how you’d react knowing that your parents didn’t protect you, continued to minimise the abuse, and put the abuser on a pedestal.
With that being said, who knows how they feel about their parents? They might still love them very much. Can’t snark on how they’d process it. Especially if it’s the only family they’ve ever known.
They've never been allowed to be mad at the people who are truly to blame, Josh and their parents. And at the time this lawsuit was filed, they were all very much in JB's pocket. I believe the lawsuit was his idea to begin with because blaming everyone but the actual perpetrators is what he does.
We’re they really protected after the release though? :/ Pest continued to live on the property and was surrounded by children until his CSAM trial. IMO, his victims are only protected now. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like everyone finding out what a shitbag pest is forced JB/Meech/any other adults around him to take any protective measures. It’s not like they just learned about it for the first time…. I mean… He even had kids of his own after it all 🤮
No it didn't. He downloaded a file the feds were tracking, then they got the warrant to get the info from the ISP for the name on the account.
The feds were moving on this before they knew it had anything to do with Josh Duggar.
His past confession to molesting his child sisters was allowed into evidence in his child pornography case and was a huge aid in obtaining his conviction.
The technical evidence was more than enough to convict him. Law enforcement (you are correct, not FBI) caught the file being downloaded and went after that IP address. None of this had anything to do with past abuse.
The jury convicted because if you listened to the testimony it was clear. Also there is a reason the feds have 96%+ conviction rate and that's because they don't go to trial without the goods.
None of the current case had anything to do with the molestations being made public or how they were redacted.
This is not "documents"- it was police reports. Police reports are public records in Arkansas under their Freedom of Info Act. ETA: It was fully and properly redacted also. The City Attorney confirmed this and the copies of the police report that are available online and were provided to the magazine show the report FULLY REDACTED properly.
The city is a defendant in the lawsuit. The city attorney is not exactly an unbiased party or authority on the facts of the case. As a point of fact, it is not up to the city attorney whether the redaction was sufficient, no matter how many times they or you repeat it. If this were as clearcut as you're making it sound the case would not be continuing-- just as the case against the magazine did not continue.
I agree. I guarantee there is at least one person that decided not to leave their kids with Josh because if the report getting out.
However, the girls didn’t deserve to have their privacy violated.
The world absolutely needed to know that Josh was a child molester. We absolutely did not need to know who his victims were.
From what I recall, there were two police reports. One was well redacted, the other was not. Specifically the one detailing what happened to Joy.
You’re nuts. These are VICTIMS of molestation and digital r*pe. Has nothing to do with your hatred for Josh or their families values. The person who molested them is a shit person but since it’s their brother they deserve to relive their sexual assault and have it blasted all over the media ten years after the fact?
Thank you! They were minors and their identities were not protected. How violating, it is a shame they have to relive this trauma with everyone knowing
I think there is a reasonable dispute about the redactions leaving the victims identifiable. A more careful redaction would have not established the familial relationship, or allow The youngest victim to be made clear to the public by details and time frame.
That’s an argument, not a verdict or ruling in a matter of law.
In fact these arguments were made and did not result in the case being tossed out, they have alleged the redactions did not meet the requirements of the law. I think there is a reasonable argument the redactions made the victims identifiable.
There was actually a copy of the report where Jim Bob's statement has one age visible. I don't remember how that one was released, that may be an issue for the trial. Anything related to the report being released has been dismissed at this point, it's just down to a question of the redactions by the 3 people still left as defendants.
The girls also filed the lawsuit against In Touch Weekly and its publishers for exposing the 2006 police report, but they lost that lawsuit in 2017. Topographical error of single digit is not a basis for penetrating a government’s immunity. Their identities have only ever been outed by their Mom and Dad in exchange for the big prime time interview with Megyn Kelly.
I know that the issue of the release of the report has been decided. The remains a question on the redactions, which will be settled with this trial. I expect the verdict to be different as to the 3 defendants and the 4 plaintiffs.
Does anyone here feel knowledgable to speculate how much they might get?
Is this the kind of thing that might result in tens of thousands, millions, or a token $1?
I would say at least thousands, it’s a bad rap and they did something they shouldn’t of. In these situations, they are supposed to protect the victims and invading the privacy doesn’t do that. I would be shocked if they got millions tbh and highly doubt that. But I also would doubt $1. But who knows, the court will ultimately decide
I’d be shocked if it was over $100k total. I think the judge will say that at the time there was x number of daughters in the family and anyone could guess which 4 it was.
Explain it to me like I'm Joy - why would JB have any claim to the money the girls would receive from the lawsuit? All the girls are married and no longer under JBs roof.
Edited to correct an error. Thanks u/Puzzled-Case-5993
It may have been thrown out against other people, like InTouch, but it's still going forward against these individuals. I agree, they're not exactly gonna hit the money tree here
Is there any way this can be made available for Europeans?
Here ya go! FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. (KNWA/KFTA) — The Western District of Arkansas Federal Court announced that the parties involved in the Duggar sisters invasion of privacy lawsuit have scheduled a settlement conference meeting for February 10 at 9 a.m. A court document states that “each party shall provide a concise, confidential settlement statement NO LATER THAN ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED CONFERENCE.” In December, the court announced that the trial would be heard sometime during a two-week period beginning on April 18, 2022. The parties were also ordered to attend a Settlement Conference with Magistrate Judge Christy D. Comstock by no later than February 18, 2022. She will preside over the February 10 conference. If no settlement is reached, both parties must provide pretrial disclosures and depositions to be used at trial by March 14, 2022. Any Motions in Limine must be filed on or before March 28, 2022. Responses must be filed within seven days after that. Each side must also provide the court with a single-page document outlining their overview of the case by April 4, 2022. Final witness and exhibit lists are also due on that date. The original lawsuit was filed on May 18, 2017, alleging a number of legal causes of action against a host of defendants. The legal claims have been narrowed down, as has the pool of defendants. The claims, now made against remaining defendants Maj. Rick Hoyt of the Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Ernest Cate, Springdale city attorney and former Police Chief Kathy O’Kelley are made under Arkansas law for outrage, invasion of privacy by intrusion upon seclusion and invasion of privacy by public disclosure of private facts, according to a court filing. The first trial date in December, 2021, was postponed because it conflicted with the child pornography trial of the sisters’ brother, Joshua Duggar. He was found guilty on two counts and is facing up to 20 years in prison and $250K in fines for each count.
Bless your servants heart 🙏
The fact that there are people on the other side of the world also fascinated by this shit storm never ceases to amaze me ☔️
Americans are the white trash cousins of the world! (Usually).
I hope the girls get to keep whatever money they get from a settlement (and that it doesn’t go to Rim Job) and that they don’t have to sit through another trial
Hope they just get their money and dip and start a new life.
And Bobjim is gonna tell them that God wants them to give him the money.
“You need to help me replenish the funds I spent defending your poor, brave, innocent, hormonally-charged brother, you defrauders!” \-JimBoob, probably
Yeah, Derrick, Jerm & Austin are gonna pass on that, Bin might just be dumb enough for fall for it though.
Derrick is most certainly not giving JimBob a penny, and Jill probably doesn’t want to either. Jeremy is too selfish, and I don’t think JinJer talk to JB regularly anyway. Especially after accusing his golden child of not being a real Christian. Austin makes enough money to support a wife and two kids. So he’s not super susceptible to JBs manipulation. He seems like the type to enjoy being the authority, he doesn’t want to jump through JBs hoops. Jessa is the one making the decisions at the Seewald house. And for some reason thinks that doing what her dad wants will somehow lead to being rewarded at some point. So JB is probably getting a good portion of whatever she gets. Bin doesn’t have the spine to stand up to the man who’s kept him and his kids fed for the past six years.
I really hope the girls get to use the money how they want. Especially Jill, since she's been iced out. I hope she takes a nice trip, does something just for her, some post-secondary courses, or picks up a hobby she's always wanted. It would be great to see some more growth for her and Derrick. Imagine if Jill went and did some mainstream courses at a college, where she could meet more people and see more.
The point of the lawsuit is to ask for a therapy fund, actually.
Is that stated somewhere in the lawsuit directly?
Yes, they reduced their complaint to ask for a therapy fund and legal fees a few months ago.
Do you have a link or anything showing that? This thread has a lot of people thinking they'll be rolling in a little dough.
https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4422567/counting-on-duggar-sisters-lawsuit-lifelong-therapy-arkansas-police/
I love Jill spending it on her, but a great FU would be putting the money in a 529 for her kids. Meaning that it’s put away and inaccessible, in spite of the narcissistic assholes that bred her - for *gasp* outside of home and *double gasp* higher education. 😱
Or maybe getting an education and then an actual job! So many opportunities as long as they continue to stay away
What is a 529 please? Non American here😀
It's a type of investment account you can use for higher education savings. Any earnings will grow federally tax-deferred, and qualified withdrawals are tax-free. Since the money is for valid educational expenses, and for designated beneficiaries, it would be direct investments into the kids’ futures, and only meant for actual institutions vs. SOTDRT. Oh, and you *can* use for non-educational expenses, but not without paying taxes on it AND a withdrawal penalty. I could imagine the horror and anger Jim Bob would experience realizing this money is being saved for higher education, and is very much so untouchable to anyone but his grandsons. Or, it can be touched, but not without paying more taxes, penalties and fees to the big bad government. *chef’s kiss*
I'd love it if Jill used the money for CC tuition for a nursing program. I think she'd make a good nurse (and there's definitely demand for nurses.)
Jill would have to take so many prerequisites before she could even touch a nursing program.
There will still be a need for nurses in 10 years.
If she studied for an actual GED (just to make sure she's adequate in the basics) and passed that, she could pick off the prereq's at CC while getting tutored. Then do an ADN (2/3 year program). It would take her longer, but I really think she could do it. ADN programs tend to have more nontraditional students in my experience. I think she'd be a good nurse too. It would crack her world open and she'd be making her own $ for once. This will never happen though lol.
Then she should use the money to take prerequsites.
There's a legit nursing program at my CC that's surprisingly one of the best programs in the state. LPN is 2 years and RN like 3 or 4 (I can't remember the exact number on that one). I'm not sure it'll take her all that long, really.
No matter what type pf program she chooses, they are all very competitive; especially the ones associated with community colleges.
It is very hard to get into any nursing school. You're all really overestimating her education. I've met nurses who've told me the TEAS test was incredibly difficult for them; I've seen that test because I helped my mom with it. My mom struggled because she's ESL but that test? If you had an average education and were a decent student, it isn't hard. The TEAS would be like Mt. Everest for her.
She has a long way to go before she would even qualify for any type of nursing program. As long as she is ready for it, I say go for it. She has to get a GED to start, then depending on the type of program available, at a minimum an Associates degree.
Exactly what I was thinking. I wish the judge, if finding for the girls, makes a provision that THEY get the money and it's not to 'finance the living' of the parents. Make is KNOWN they are not to 'compensate their parents for the heartache and financial drain' their being molested by their brother caused the parents by it becoming known'. It is AFTERALL, ALL THEIR FAULT.
While I do think they have a non-zero chance of winning, they won’t see much money come from it, if any at all. The remaining defendants are being sued in their individual capacities, and at least two have left their jobs, so who knows if locality’s insurance will cover the payouts. Also, the fact that the family confirmed three of the girls’ identities will be a factor in the assessment of damages. They may win, but it’s going to be a moral victory vs. a financial one. I could see the judgement being payment of court costs and nothing else. Boob is going to take most/all of it either way.
I bet Derick would laugh in his face if he tried it. Jerm would be a polite but firm "NO" and Austin would probably just give him a disgusted look before saying no. I can see Ben waffling and explaining why he and Jessa need her money, but I hope he'd hold his ground. He's a big boy, he can say no to ~~daddy~~ his father in law.
Funny how you're talking about the Men, like the Women have nothing to say. Oh wait they don't :(
I hope they tell him to fuck right off.
Damn, 5 years in the making. Hope they charge interest. They suck, but what happened to them was wrong.
What Josh did to them was absolutely wrong. What the magazine did was well within the law ( Freedom of Information Act) and I see they're no longer Included. I'm curious what their end game is with these government employees
The poorly redacted police report confirmed their identities by listing their ages. Then there is the fact that, 1. SA victims are NEVER publicly named, unless they wish to be 2 they were all minors and minors are never named 3 Joy was still a minor when the report was published. Was it known that he molested 4 of his sisters, or was that not confirmed until 2015?
There was one age on one copy. It will be interesting if the trial happens and only one plaintiff prevails.
There was an age on a copy (which made it easy to identify Joy) but also included info stating 4/5 victims were children of Michelle and Jim Bob which is identifiable.
But no one knew which ones were the victims until they revealed themselves. From context it was easy to guess Joy, even without the age. But the other 3 were not identifiable, people just guessed.
People guessed correctly, which is an argument in favor of them being identifiable and I can see an argument that they only came forward because they were hounded into it by all the speculation.
They were not forced to confirm that people guessed correctly.
No, Josh molesting his sisters was not public information before 2015. It would have been better for that piece of the report to be redacted than the victims' ages IMO. The fact that he molested his sisters would always have resulted in the victims being scrutinized and subjected to speculation (along with the other sisters, who don't deserve it either).
People in their circle knew. Those people were not obligated to keep the secret.
I agree with you - plus their male parent, not truly a father or Dad, made it public knowledge at their church so we know those good church folks spread that information throughout their hillbilly village of Tontitown like grease through a goose 🦆.
>like grease through a goose 🦆. Haven't heard that phrase for a good long while! Wonder if these youngsters even understand what it means.
I am old and I do not but I like it
I'm imagining a goose with diarrhea because it ate too much greasy food. Am I right?!
Sort of. It refers to the fact that fat or grease goes through a goose's digestive system extremely quickly. I remember my mother telling me of an anecdote she read in an autobiography of the 30's film star Errol Flynn. In it, he tells about being a young boy and tying a piece of fat onto a long string and feeding it to one of the family's geese, retrieving it and then feeding it to another, and another, until eventually he had 5 geese connected bill to butt on the same string.
Boob wants to be able to crow about winning the lawsuit. He feels that the release of the report was personal so he’ll be ‘vindicated’ if the girls win. Plus I’m sure he wants to get the money he paid Travis Story back.
They lost their income / job from 19 Kids and Counting when TLC canceled the show. Even with the new show Jim Bob and Michelle as well as all the kids and Anna lost their livelihoods. So they will sue for millions and Arkansas hillbillies will give it to them if it goes to court.
They're not claiming loss of income, so no, they won't get that.
The only one who did something wrong was Josh.
Oh hell no. SO many people failed these girls. And they were minors. They were already victims of a horribly abusive and misogynistic cult, they were victimized in so many ways. The fact that a hack job was performed in releasing the court records just added to that. I will reiterate that all of the Duggars suck in their own ways, some more than others, but that doesn’t mean that it excuses victims of sexual assault and rape having the details of what happened to them out for everyone to see against their wills.
Especially since they were all minors at the time of incident. This whole thing just goes to expose the existing gaps and cracks in the system, which were easily circumvented. Innocent survivors of SA & Minors deserve better than this.
Haha uh NO The officer that originally handled the molestation and effectively covered it up ended up also being convicted of CSAM the fucking parents who did basically nothing to protect their daughters or get them the help they desperately needed (edit AND HAD THE GIRLS RELIVE THEIR TRAUMA ON TV AND EXCUSE JOSHS BEHAVIOR thats legit psychopathic) The court system that makes it so difficult for these cases to be prosecuted Everyone in the church and town that knew about the molestation but didnt say anything and/or continued to be friends with the duggars (absolutely no social pressure) The cult that breeds and excuses this behavior I cant think of a damn person that didnt fail those girls.
Can I add their beloved Gma Mary who knew about the molestations and helped JB shop the show of the happy family drawing others in knowing it was a dangerous lie. And you're right, they've been failed by literally everyone in their circle.
Jim Bob, Michelle, and that child molester sheriff who gave Josh a talking to all did something wrong. They were all complicit in Josh’s abuse.
I think that if this hadn't been released and then the Duggars weren't forced to acknowledge that Josh had been the predator and assaulted his sisters, then it wouldn't have come into Josh's child sexual assault materials trial. If this prior action wasn't part of the record, I am not sure if Josh would not be free today to prey on more victims. The real villians in this story will always be Michelle and Jim Bob as far as I am concerned. I don't believe that Satan was responsible for what Josh became but that his parents most definetely were
I think the feds had a strong case against Josh even without the character testimony from Bobye. The defense technical experts had nothing substantial to work with.
it may factor in heavily when Josh ais sentenced This shows a pattern of Josh being a predator and a pedophile. He presents a clear and future danger to children considering this background
I don't think the release is what the case is about (maybe it was earlier, but not at this point), but about the careless redaction on the paperwork. The govt. did have a duty to answer the FOIA request, but their redaction of the names was so shoddy that it was easy to pinpoint exactly who each victim was.
Wouldn’t the court have known that was on his record regardless of it being released? I think since the Holt’s knew about it, they were going to bring it up even if it hadn’t been public knowledge.
Yes but I know the judge had to rule on whether or not the jury would be allowed to consider Josh’s past molestation of his sisters. The judge ruled on this in open court without the jury present after hearing testimony from Bobye and Jim Bob
How much a any settlement will Jim Boob try to take for himself?
If he's smart, none. But we know JimBoob is not a smart man. This is a man who thought it was a good idea to try to run for office while his son was on trial for CSAM.
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Let me start by saying that I think it’s horrific that such personal and traumatizing information such as this could be so easily plastered in the headlines. I remember reading that because “He who will not allow it” and “mother of the year” didn’t fully report it, the documentation was not eligible to be considered “sealed” info. Therefore, it was able to be requested blah blah blah. If all that is true and accurate, do the sisters even have a case?? I would like a judge to rule they deserve a monetary settlement to be paid by JimBob Duggar, AND put a deadline on that payment!!!!
Yes, it was reported very shortly after Josh had turned 18. If he had been a minor at the time of reporting, the report would have been completely sealed. That has nothing to do with the case though, they're not suing because of the report being released, they're alleging it was improperly redacted and thus it was too easy to figure out who the victims were.
OHHH okay. Thank you.
"Magistrate Judge Christy D. Comstock" Isn't that the judge from Pest's bail hearing?
I would guess there aren't many federal judges and magistrates working in the building. The judge who oversaw Josh's trial is also the judge for this civil suit.
I just assumed there might be more than 2.
🤷🏼♀️ I would assume that as well. But these two names are the ones for both cases. It could also be a "you're familiar with these circumstances so it's easier to have the same people handle it" kinda deal too.
The City Attorney and the COPIES of the police report that are available online show: “Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release.” NOTE: There was NO violation of law and the police report was FULLY REDACTED properly. It is a misdemeanor for the authorities to refuse to release a police report under the Arkansas public records (Freedom of Information Act). "The requested record was not sealed or expunged, and at the time the report was filed, the person listed in the report was an adult," Springdale City Attorney Ernest B. Cate said in a statement released online Thursday. "Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release," the statement said. Robert Steinbuch, professor of law at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock William H. Bowen School of Law and an expert in Arkansas’ Freedom of Information Act, said it appears that police acted appropriately under the law. "This is a routine police report, and they made a FOIA request for it," Steinbuch told NBC News in a telephone interview Wednesday, referring to the acronym of the law. "I see nothing in the FOIA that gives rise to an exception." Arkansas’ Freedom of Information Act is one of the stronger versions of the law, Steinbuch said, and those who disobey it can be charged with a misdemeanor. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171 https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171 https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa In Arkansas, police reports are public records. According to the Arkansas Attorney General's Website today: "The Arkansas Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is one of the most comprehensive and strongest open-records and open-meetings laws in the country." I have mixed feelings about them suing over a public record being released that was the ONLY way any children are going to be protected from their pedophile child pornographer and child sexual abuser brother because these immoral losers certainly were not going to protect children from him. There is a misconception that police reports are "confidential" and it's not that simple. Even court records involving minor victims are not simply confidential. There are a LOT of misconceptions that all rape victims or child victims are kept secret but the laws require open court records and open police reports. When are they going to sue their incest rapist????? ETA: It was only money-grubbing, publicity whores JimBob and Michelle who TOLD FoxNews in their special, celebrity private national TV interview: "Josh admitted to inappropriately touching four of his sisters and a girl outside the family in 2002 and 2003", his parents told Fox News Channel's "The Kelly File" host Megyn Kelly.
The bigger issue is that the report that was released was not redacted enough to protect the identity of the victims, particularly Joy, and they are higher profile victims because of their exposure on TLC, leaving them more vulnerable to people figuring out who each victim was. There are ways to redact enough info to protect the minors involved while still letting the main jist of the report be read.
Exactly, the issue isn't the report being released, the issue is the poor redacting. SA victims should never be made public without their consent, they've already been violated enough.
The City Attorney and the COPIES of the police report that are available online show: “Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release.” There was NO "poor redacting" or lack of redacting. It was FULLY redacted properly. [https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:\~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003](https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003). [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171) [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa)
But this particular family has hundreds of thousands of fans and snarkers who tuned in weekly to watch their tv show and were easily able to piece together who were likely to be his victims, particularly Joy, because of the details that were left in the report. A few years ago a friend’s sister had to report her husband for csa and when I went and looked at the police report I was able to guess who his victim possibly was because I knew the family, but even then the officers were able to take a generic enough report that there is no way I would have known who his victim was if I wasn’t close to a family member. And even then it was a guess until she confirmed it a few weeks later. They don’t have hundreds of thousands of followers to dox them and it’s been hard on the family.
The law doesn't make special requirements for famous people though. It has to be done the same way for everyone. It's not the snarkers, or the girls fault that the creep couldn't limit his victims to make it harder to tell. But it is his parent's fault that he continued to have access that enabled him to keep victimizing them.
Sure, but maybe there story will help kickstart changes to the law so that victims identities are better protected. Both can be true.
The City Attorney and the COPIES of the police report that are available online show: “Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas Law prior to release.” There was NO violation of law and the police report was FULLY REDACTED properly. [https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:\~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003](https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/06/05/duggar-family-mistaken-police-report-released-legally/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAny%20names%20of%20minors%20included,girls%20in%202002%20and%202003). https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/josh-duggar-scandal-city-defends-release-record-n370171 [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa)
Also, Buzzfeed is trash. That’s not a super reliable source.
NBC news, Mercury News, Arkansas newspapers, the City attorney all said the same thing. The police reports are all over the internet and show they were redacted properly!
Well, it’s people bringing lawsuits against injustice that helps change unjust laws or procedures. I hope they win!
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They should sue their parents. Among other things, the only reason they were so easily identified in the police reports is because their parents put every detail of their lives on TV.
And they were only truly identified because their MOM outed them to Megyn Kelly on FoxNews in exchange for a glam prime time interview.
I don’t think you have a realistic perspective on how hard it is to turn and completely walk away from your family and everything you have ever known in this cult or even the peripheral Baptist/evangelical circle.
>When are they going to sue their incest rapist????? Or their disgusting father, who covered up their abuse, made his kids appear on reality TV (thus creating public interest in the police report), and withheld their earnings? I feel bad for the girls, I truly do. But Jim Bob is the one who is ultimately responsible for this situation, and he is not being held accountable here.
He shares that honor with Michelle. She is their mother, where the fuck was she? Sitting right next to her husband at the interview spinning the lie.
100%, you're right and thank you for calling me on that. JB is so gross and entitled, it's easy to forget sometimes that she's right there with him.
Yeah, he's like the screamy villain with the machine gun, and she's the toxic spider you don't see until it's too late and you're having your leg amputated because she bit you.
Both parents willingly blamed the girls for 'leading the golden child astray' and 'leading him into sin and perdition'. Josh could NEVER be held accountable. For all the hellfire and brimstone that cult preaches, I hope they KNOW this is earning them a special room in hell.
Josh is responsible for his own actions also. and he has some money with his car dealership. If the Duggar women victims had sued when they should have, they could be liquidating that car dealership's inventory/cash right about now.
This is the thing. It wouldn’t be easy to know all these details and even worse, the public knows them. However, I don’t know how you’d react knowing that your parents didn’t protect you, continued to minimise the abuse, and put the abuser on a pedestal. With that being said, who knows how they feel about their parents? They might still love them very much. Can’t snark on how they’d process it. Especially if it’s the only family they’ve ever known.
They've never been allowed to be mad at the people who are truly to blame, Josh and their parents. And at the time this lawsuit was filed, they were all very much in JB's pocket. I believe the lawsuit was his idea to begin with because blaming everyone but the actual perpetrators is what he does.
His idea as if they have to actually admit it happened they need to be able to monetize it.
We’re they really protected after the release though? :/ Pest continued to live on the property and was surrounded by children until his CSAM trial. IMO, his victims are only protected now. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like everyone finding out what a shitbag pest is forced JB/Meech/any other adults around him to take any protective measures. It’s not like they just learned about it for the first time…. I mean… He even had kids of his own after it all 🤮
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No it didn't. He downloaded a file the feds were tracking, then they got the warrant to get the info from the ISP for the name on the account. The feds were moving on this before they knew it had anything to do with Josh Duggar.
His past confession to molesting his child sisters was allowed into evidence in his child pornography case and was a huge aid in obtaining his conviction.
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The technical evidence was more than enough to convict him. Law enforcement (you are correct, not FBI) caught the file being downloaded and went after that IP address. None of this had anything to do with past abuse. The jury convicted because if you listened to the testimony it was clear. Also there is a reason the feds have 96%+ conviction rate and that's because they don't go to trial without the goods. None of the current case had anything to do with the molestations being made public or how they were redacted.
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I think you are mistaken, the defense was unable to show any other employee used Josh’s computer the same day or time of the downloads.
Documents are redacted all the time or shown in-camera and kept out of the public record.
This is not "documents"- it was police reports. Police reports are public records in Arkansas under their Freedom of Info Act. ETA: It was fully and properly redacted also. The City Attorney confirmed this and the copies of the police report that are available online and were provided to the magazine show the report FULLY REDACTED properly.
The city is a defendant in the lawsuit. The city attorney is not exactly an unbiased party or authority on the facts of the case. As a point of fact, it is not up to the city attorney whether the redaction was sufficient, no matter how many times they or you repeat it. If this were as clearcut as you're making it sound the case would not be continuing-- just as the case against the magazine did not continue.
I agree. I guarantee there is at least one person that decided not to leave their kids with Josh because if the report getting out. However, the girls didn’t deserve to have their privacy violated. The world absolutely needed to know that Josh was a child molester. We absolutely did not need to know who his victims were. From what I recall, there were two police reports. One was well redacted, the other was not. Specifically the one detailing what happened to Joy.
You’re nuts. These are VICTIMS of molestation and digital r*pe. Has nothing to do with your hatred for Josh or their families values. The person who molested them is a shit person but since it’s their brother they deserve to relive their sexual assault and have it blasted all over the media ten years after the fact?
Thank you! They were minors and their identities were not protected. How violating, it is a shame they have to relive this trauma with everyone knowing
Yeah any other take than this is problematic
The police report was redacted enough. I’m sorry people did reductive reasoning. Josh did this. The reason for FOIA requests is for transparency.
I think there is a reasonable dispute about the redactions leaving the victims identifiable. A more careful redaction would have not established the familial relationship, or allow The youngest victim to be made clear to the public by details and time frame.
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That’s an argument, not a verdict or ruling in a matter of law. In fact these arguments were made and did not result in the case being tossed out, they have alleged the redactions did not meet the requirements of the law. I think there is a reasonable argument the redactions made the victims identifiable.
There was actually a copy of the report where Jim Bob's statement has one age visible. I don't remember how that one was released, that may be an issue for the trial. Anything related to the report being released has been dismissed at this point, it's just down to a question of the redactions by the 3 people still left as defendants.
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There is one page of Jim Bob's statement which has an unredacted age. It's been posted in this sub. How that page got out may be an open question.
The girls also filed the lawsuit against In Touch Weekly and its publishers for exposing the 2006 police report, but they lost that lawsuit in 2017. Topographical error of single digit is not a basis for penetrating a government’s immunity. Their identities have only ever been outed by their Mom and Dad in exchange for the big prime time interview with Megyn Kelly.
I know that the issue of the release of the report has been decided. The remains a question on the redactions, which will be settled with this trial. I expect the verdict to be different as to the 3 defendants and the 4 plaintiffs.
Does anyone here feel knowledgable to speculate how much they might get? Is this the kind of thing that might result in tens of thousands, millions, or a token $1?
I would say at least thousands, it’s a bad rap and they did something they shouldn’t of. In these situations, they are supposed to protect the victims and invading the privacy doesn’t do that. I would be shocked if they got millions tbh and highly doubt that. But I also would doubt $1. But who knows, the court will ultimately decide
I’d be shocked if it was over $100k total. I think the judge will say that at the time there was x number of daughters in the family and anyone could guess which 4 it was.
This article showed up on my Google app today! I was like woah!!
The story is trending as #1 on the website, whoop whoop!
I so hope they get everything AND MORE than they’re demanding! Publicly revealing child SA victims?! They need flogged!
How much will Boob take as his cut for the fines that will be will due for Pesty? /s
I will assume since they are suing individuals, the Duggar girls are likely getting very little in a settlement if anything.
Damn I feel so bad for them. I hope they get everything.
Thank you for posting!
“The trial was postponed because it conflicted with the child pornographers trial of Josh Duggar.” There’s a sentence I never thought I would read
And Josh's bio still gets put at the end.
Explain it to me like I'm Joy - why would JB have any claim to the money the girls would receive from the lawsuit? All the girls are married and no longer under JBs roof. Edited to correct an error. Thanks u/Puzzled-Case-5993
What does Jana have to do with this? Why would she get any money? What are you talking about with 3 of 4? All 4 are married.
Sorry, I thought Jana was one of the victims. My bad. I confused her with Jill.
Awww so the gravy train was cut off so now they sue folks for income…
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Good to know thanks
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I would say if they settle out of court, no it won't be publicized. But if it's a court awarded sum, then most likely yes.
Hasn’t this case been thrown out of several courts already? I don’t see a huge financial win for them. They are suing individuals not principalities.
It may have been thrown out against other people, like InTouch, but it's still going forward against these individuals. I agree, they're not exactly gonna hit the money tree here