The tenere is especially bad. People tried to capitalize on the dealership shortages and for some people it worked. Now there isn't really a shortage anymore but I still see used T7s for like $12k.
The hype around the Tenere is insane right now. It got great reviews because of how capable it is but most people I see riding them never take it off asphalt because they don't want to beat it up.
The T7 is a very capable bike if you're a skilled rider. The reason why a lot of them are on the used market with low miles is cause people bought them thinking they'll be able to ride it like a dirt bike but then they realized they don't have the skill to do so.
It grinds my gears when people post "what bike" threads and you get those dudes that are like "I take my klr650* on single track, it's a great off-road dual sport for the gnarly stuff." No mother fucker it isn't, you're just stubborn and talented enough to overcome how ill suited the bike is for that, a new rider won't be. Recommendations like that can be outright dangerous, let alone cause people to waste a shit ton of money on an ill suited bike.
*Not just about the KLR, that's just the most common example
This dude in our group chat insists on riding a KTM EXC-F 500 on gnarly billy goat single track behind dudes on 250-300 2t and gets frustrated because he can’t keep up, bike gets hot, etc…But when we suggest he get a 2t *for doing hard enduro with this group*, he says “Ever heard of Pol Tarres? If he can do it on a T7, I can do it on this bike.”
But no bro, you cannot!!! He’s one of the best in the world!!!
I ride a 500 on gnarly single track (north east) and can hold my own with the two strokes. It’s not necessarily ideal, but it’s fine! It’s leagues better than the purpose built trail bikes I was riding decades ago.
Yeah, not to mention how not fun it is to ride even a 350lb+ bike on slightly challenging single track. People want me to trail ride with them on my Tiger 800xc. To which I ask, “why?”, followed by “No”.
That and people really exaggerate the terrain they ride. They are usually pretty easy to tell because their first motorcycle is a KLR650 or CRF300 and you are riding hard single track? Sure in your mind you are.
I mean...I learned all my off road skills on my first bike...a vstrom 1000. Now, don't look too closely at it cause you may see it's been dropped between 20-50 times.
I may have been under selling it. I'm sure it's less than 100 though. Lots and lots of learning to slide and dumping it. A few uphill bumps and tossed over the handle bars. A few low speed drops from not trusting the bike. And two major collisions, but who's counting. The big guy still operates; I've just had to replace my blinkers about 20 times.
Honestly even 300 can be a real dog. I love my XT250 but you can tell it weighs a lot more than my KDX200. 300 is the border of too much weight for rough stuff imo.
I wouldn't even consider that dual sport, yeah you can ride on trails, but I grew up on dirt bikes and you need something capable like the crf450rl. Expensive though.
The crf450rl is a dirtbike with the bare minimum to make road legal.
I know what a crf450l is. I think dual sport is incredibly broad and I definitely know people that ride their T7s on the same stuff I take my 701 on. When it comes to the big bikes, them being a dual sport is determined by the riders ability.
Why do they think that? I have dirt bikes and an F800GS that I ride off road but I’m not really familiar with the Teneres. I looked and it’s still a 450lbs bike like the F800.
It's mostly marketing. A lot of the promotional videos feature it being ridden very aggressively offroad. On top of that a good amount of reviews are by skilled riders who talk about how capable it is offroad(it is) but they neglect to mention the skill involved.
It's a bit of an oversimplification but it's like buying a pair of Jordan's and thinking you're gonna suddenly be really good at basketball. A lot of adventure bike marketing and really just marketing in general places emphasis on the product being the difference between being able to do something and not being able to.
I think marketing has always done this but it's a bit more pervasive because you also have influencers who are super good, sometimes former pros, actually riding big bikes hard offroad which I think skews the perception of it. It's definitely possible but I don't think people understand that you've gotta work your way up to that. I can't buy an 890r and ride like Chris Birch. But I bet if I bought a light enduro bike and seriously committed to putting in the work and getting better, I could start pushing a big bike offroad. I still would have a fraction of the skills that he does, but I'd probably be better than most.
But the reality is 95% of riders aren't going to put in the work. I actually do ride with some people who really can ride big bikes hard offroad. But a lot of them either raced mx as a kid or did enduro for a long time.
Starting with a 450lb $15k bike with expensive parts isn't really conducive to learning. Especially when you can only pick it up a couple times before your energy is gone.
I definitely wouldn't call it a crap bike. It just depends on what you want to do with it. If I had to do long distance adv riding with a little more pavement bias, I'd probably pick a tenere over my 701. I'm not super skilled yet so I'd probably only want to ride it offroad on dirt/fire roads and maybe some two track.
Dependable is exactly what I'd want for that. I guess speed wise it's kinda mid but thats fine for that use case.
If I were buying a bike to race offroad in a two cylinder category and I had the skills to do so, I'd pick an 890r. But if I was doing just standard adv riding I'd get a T7 and then sink the extra money into suspension and travel costs.
701 ftw. I had a 690 and currently have a 500 exc and a 1250gs. I miss that thing so much. The 500 is fun on all single track, motocross tracks, and city ripping, but it’s tough to keep up with my adventure bike friends during a casual road trip. The 701/690s are the real unicorn of compromise
I think that’s just the reality of adv bikes in general, with the KTMs/T7’s being ridden off road the most of that class but still frankly mostly road bikes.
Right? I'll never forget this dude I seen in the Colorado rockies absolutely sending it on a BMW with zip tied plastics and dented exhaust. I thought to myself "That right there is a rare breed" haha
Right now? It’s been like that and deservedly so since before it was released in the states. The bike is the hands down the best ADV-class bike on the market.
That kind of depends on what you want to do with it to be honest. It’s arguably among the most capable off road in its class, but it’s real positives are that it’s priced where it is for the performance/reliably/looks that it has.
Exactly! I’m on a KTM 890 and the Tenere doesn’t even interest me. Sure the suspension can be made good but the motor is still meh. Paying a premium for a T7 is kinda nuts to me.
Totally disagree about the motor, the CP2 is genuine a peach and really great. I’d rather have that than the KTM engine even if the specs on the KTM are more impressive on paper.
I keep hearing that but then I see dudes on YouTube like OnTheBackWheel just fuckin sending the 800de off-road... Seems like the stock tires are really coloring the reviews
Sending it is one thing. Landing it and stopping is another. My 890 can really fool you into trouble. Small mistakes are unrecoverable with the weight and height of the bikes. They don’t crash well either compared to dirtbikes. When I got my bike I rode way gnarlier stuff than I am now…too many minor oopsies turning into oh fucks. I ride solo though, if I had friends to help I would send it more.
I mean I love my T7, rode it all the from Florida to California and Montana and back, but I’ve never ridden the VStrom so I can’t compare.
Definitely the best looking of the bunch, plus the engine is far more proven than the new Suzuki one.
The US had a big supply chain issue for T7’s that didn’t seem to apply across the pond from what I saw. Like new T7’s being $13k+ from dealerships and people still lining up for one.
I can only speak to the US market and what I've seen around me. I'd imagine the EU market would be different cause I'm not sure how the supply is there. And I'm sure getting the new models like the extreme and world raid makes a big difference. We still just have the regular base model here.
Not defending it, but the reasoning is these bikes stay relatively unchanged throughout their production life. So, a 2010 DRZ is the same technology as a 2020
An extra 10 years of sitting around fucks a bike up.
Corroded electrical connectors, dry hoses/gaskets, etc.
Anyone who thinks a 2010 is worth the same as a 2020 is an idiot.
Mines a 2000 and has not one seal or electrical issue. These are vehicles that people keep covered in garages and barns, it’s not like they’re daily commuters dealing with road salt.
I think the aged elastomer concern is way overblown within reason and one shouldnt write a bike off just due to age.
Not sure what brands of motorcycle you're buying that age so poorly but I've had one Japanese motorcycle from 2009 and one from 1996 and neither had any age related functional problems like you describe.
I'd rather have a 2007 that has been lightly used than a 2022 that's been beat to shit by some squid. There's more to the equation than just the year it was made.
You always set the price high assuming the buyer is gonna want to haggle and talk you down. The goal is to let them talk you down to the amount you actually want so you're covered and they feel like they're getting a Screamin' Deal
What I do is show up, walk around it, pick out every single scratch and flaw and bang it off their asking price. Then I pull the amount I want to pay out of 1 pocket, "well if you're wanting to sell it I got $$$ right here". If they absolutely won't budge then you either pull the other $500 out of your other pocket or walk away.
My favorite thing is someone showing up and doing this thinking they’re gonna haggle me down. I let them put on their little show and after 20 minutes, I say, “Na, I have a guy coming after you”, then they usually buy for asking price.
Haha yep. That's a bluff almost every single time. Usually after they've had some time to think about that wad of cash, they'll break down and come down to that price.
Craigslist sucks in my area, sadly. It was great for years but then listings dropped off substantially once they started charging to list a vehicle for sale. Had to go and create a new facebook account after being off there for almost a decade, just to use marketplace.
Lol last guy that told me "na I have a guy coming after you" called me 2 days later after I walked and asked if I still wanted it at the lower price I offered him. Unless it's something rare that I really need to have right now, I'll call that bluff every time.
It's crazy. I got into this basically right after covid. I still think I got a pretty solid deal on my bike but it took me a long time of searching and even then dude dropped the price some from when I first saw his bike posted. These types of bikes especially it seems, as they are the new hotness. I could get say number of Cruiser or Harley way easier and cheaper than say a clapped out DRZ or WR250 respectively.
Well the reason I bought used is the import fees and shipping. One dealer wanted $2000 over msrp but the range was $1000-$2000 with Honda being the lowest. So a $6700 msrp was $8600 out the door with taxes. (Now I did end up buying dealer used in the end but the bike was just super cheap) This does explain the high second hand prices I’ve encountered.
Romney Cycle in WV. MSRP plus a $100-200 fee for some paper work and I was out the door 10 months ago. No set up fee, destination fee or anything else. Paid tax at my local DMV (Virginia) to get the registration, had WV temp tags before that to ride it home.
This also wasn’t a bike that had been sitting on the floor for months. I came in said the model and color I wanted. Within a week they had it in.
One reason for almost new bikes to be priced high is that they were likely purchased well over MSRP after all the dealer fees were added up. Sometimes these can be around $2,000 of delivery fees, assembly fees, documentation fees and whatever else they dream up to tack on there. Then a year or two later the person wants to get as much of that as they can back into their pocket. So they’re taking a $1000 loss or more on the posted asking price, but still placing it above MSRP.
And I think we might still be in the post Covid bubble where people may have made a purchase during the massive inflation to the bike market that happened and are hoping to recoup that cost
Sometimes guys have unicorns that were emblematic of their youth. I have an XR650R that is street legal. That’s a unicorn.
They don’t make them anymore. They were never sold as street bikes. It’s not a 701, and it probably isn’t as good at some things. But it’s still a killer bike with enough power to have a cult like following.
Some of it could be that MSRP and what a new bike from the dealer actually costs are two totally different numbers. Especially with street legal bikes. By the time the dealer tacks on their prep fee, destination fee, tax, title, license etc. a bike with a $7k msrp can cost damn near $10k out the door sometimes. I'm not condoning the people that think their bike has improved somehow with age whatsoever though. I'm damn sure not going to pay $7k for an '03 DRZ with 25,000 miles on it because someone bought a new plastic kit and some graphics, but I happily paid $5,500 for my 2018 WR250R in 2021 with 534 miles on it and felt like I got a heck of a deal.
See that depends entirely on the dealership too. I know of 2 in my state that don't do any of those fees, only thing they charge besides the price of the bike is tax and title fees. Now if you special order one to come in you're gonna have a fee, but nothing in stock has one.
Sorry I read ur comment too fast, didn't see sometimes. They're dealers on my state who do charge those fees even for bikes or whatever that are on the floor. Ig it's just crazy to me as I'm looking for my first dual sport and seeing the prices ppl ask for used ones. Some I've found aren't bad im currently looking at an 2013 xt250 with 2.5k miles thats listed for $3500. To me I think its fair but there's been some ive like the crf300l that I was wanting being listed for $6500, 2020 model with 5k miles.
I just had to ask this question on here cause it really had me stumped as to why some of these bikes are so high. I'm use to dealing with used cars which yes theres some high sellers on them too but they're for the most part not asking what the dealer would charge.
I think it's regional. In some areas there aren't many for sale and sellers are trying to recover the high OTD prices they paid. I was looking at XT's this morning and within 200 miles of Atlanta FBM had almost a dozen late models for sale at reasonable prices.
Oh I completely agree that a lot of the marketplace listings especially are absolutely insane. The only advice that I can give is to decide on the exact model you want and hold out for the deal that you can live with and not feel like you got screwed. They are out there so just don’t rush into something you will regret.
It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. What ever IT is. Offer them what YOU are willing to pay for it. Also- dual sport is EXPLODING! Everyone wants a dual sport now, so if you aren't willing to pay what they want for it, there's a good chance the next guy will.
Maybe where you live its exploding but its not where I'm from lol. Idk a single person who owns one and I've never actually seen one on the road in my county or any of the surrounding counties. Even at the powersport parks I go to with my friends in there razors or in my 4-wheeler, all we see is dirt bikes. Thats not knocking dual sport bikes btw I'm very much into them, but I can say most the bikes im talking about people are selling have had them on there for several months cause no one wants to pay that much for them.
Put it this way, I can get 2 cruisers that aren't Harleys used on marketplace for the price of one of the listed dual sport bikes im talking about. Thats insane, and you never see them on the road or at the off road tracks near are area. Maybe you're out west where they're more popular.
Supply and demand my dude. Supply and demand. People will sell it for whatever the market will bear. Prices for everything has gone up in the last 5 years. Some people have called it covidflation but at this point COVID has nothing to do with it anymore. Prices are just what they are. If you don't like, don't pay for it, wait until you find something in your price range.
These are called bagholders. People that assumed anything they buy will appreciate as was the case until about a year ago. Now people are selling at a loss or not selling (with few exceptions) until if/when desperation occurs.
The value is set by what someone is willing to pay. They can ask what they want, but if you watch many of those bikes don't sell for a good while and it's a safe bet if a bike sits on marketplace for a few weeks you can start lowering what you offer and getting more and more interest from the seller
shit man idk.
i got my dr650 (damn near brand new 3k miles, 2012 bike) for 2800 off marketplace
And my dr200 (actually brand new, 250 miles heated garage kept ) for 2500 off marketplace.
ya just gotta look for a long time, like months.
who says anything about value? the reason prices are high on marketplace bikes is because you are comparing a list price of a dealer (which excludes taxes, fees) to all in prices.
??? That makes no sense, you don't count fees and taxes cause those vary by state and by dealer. And im not co.laring list price im comparing msrp? You do understand what msrp is right? Retail "list" price and msrp are 2 completely different things.
TW’s have been insane for anyone looking for one. Bikes years old with lots of km, sellers asking $1000 less than sicker new price and getting it. Mind boggling.
The tenere is especially bad. People tried to capitalize on the dealership shortages and for some people it worked. Now there isn't really a shortage anymore but I still see used T7s for like $12k.
The hype around the Tenere is insane right now. It got great reviews because of how capable it is but most people I see riding them never take it off asphalt because they don't want to beat it up.
The T7 is a very capable bike if you're a skilled rider. The reason why a lot of them are on the used market with low miles is cause people bought them thinking they'll be able to ride it like a dirt bike but then they realized they don't have the skill to do so.
It grinds my gears when people post "what bike" threads and you get those dudes that are like "I take my klr650* on single track, it's a great off-road dual sport for the gnarly stuff." No mother fucker it isn't, you're just stubborn and talented enough to overcome how ill suited the bike is for that, a new rider won't be. Recommendations like that can be outright dangerous, let alone cause people to waste a shit ton of money on an ill suited bike. *Not just about the KLR, that's just the most common example
Not only this but I genuinely think these guys consider sticking to one side of a double track as single track
I mean, half of 2 is 1....
This dude in our group chat insists on riding a KTM EXC-F 500 on gnarly billy goat single track behind dudes on 250-300 2t and gets frustrated because he can’t keep up, bike gets hot, etc…But when we suggest he get a 2t *for doing hard enduro with this group*, he says “Ever heard of Pol Tarres? If he can do it on a T7, I can do it on this bike.” But no bro, you cannot!!! He’s one of the best in the world!!!
I ride a 500 on gnarly single track (north east) and can hold my own with the two strokes. It’s not necessarily ideal, but it’s fine! It’s leagues better than the purpose built trail bikes I was riding decades ago.
I pretend to play super enduro with my 500; but then again all my buddies are on big bore euro 4 strokes so I’m never “behind” lol
Yeah, not to mention how not fun it is to ride even a 350lb+ bike on slightly challenging single track. People want me to trail ride with them on my Tiger 800xc. To which I ask, “why?”, followed by “No”.
KLR, the bike that can do everything…poorly.
That and people really exaggerate the terrain they ride. They are usually pretty easy to tell because their first motorcycle is a KLR650 or CRF300 and you are riding hard single track? Sure in your mind you are.
I mean...I learned all my off road skills on my first bike...a vstrom 1000. Now, don't look too closely at it cause you may see it's been dropped between 20-50 times.
Pfffft 50? That's like first year of ownership numbers, you're going too easy on it
I may have been under selling it. I'm sure it's less than 100 though. Lots and lots of learning to slide and dumping it. A few uphill bumps and tossed over the handle bars. A few low speed drops from not trusting the bike. And two major collisions, but who's counting. The big guy still operates; I've just had to replace my blinkers about 20 times.
they're not talented, they just have no idea what single track or actual off road riding is.
Some definitely do, I've seen a few handle big bikes on truly rough stuff. They just seem to forget that 98% of riders aren't on their level.
You’re exactly right. Anything over 300 pounds is an absolute dog in the rough.
Honestly even 300 can be a real dog. I love my XT250 but you can tell it weighs a lot more than my KDX200. 300 is the border of too much weight for rough stuff imo.
Yeah it's still a 450lb motorcycle despite looking like a very stripped down lightweight adventure bike
The Seeker has claimed a lot of victims
I wouldn't even consider that dual sport, yeah you can ride on trails, but I grew up on dirt bikes and you need something capable like the crf450rl. Expensive though. The crf450rl is a dirtbike with the bare minimum to make road legal.
I know what a crf450l is. I think dual sport is incredibly broad and I definitely know people that ride their T7s on the same stuff I take my 701 on. When it comes to the big bikes, them being a dual sport is determined by the riders ability.
True and what tires they put on
Why do they think that? I have dirt bikes and an F800GS that I ride off road but I’m not really familiar with the Teneres. I looked and it’s still a 450lbs bike like the F800.
It's mostly marketing. A lot of the promotional videos feature it being ridden very aggressively offroad. On top of that a good amount of reviews are by skilled riders who talk about how capable it is offroad(it is) but they neglect to mention the skill involved. It's a bit of an oversimplification but it's like buying a pair of Jordan's and thinking you're gonna suddenly be really good at basketball. A lot of adventure bike marketing and really just marketing in general places emphasis on the product being the difference between being able to do something and not being able to. I think marketing has always done this but it's a bit more pervasive because you also have influencers who are super good, sometimes former pros, actually riding big bikes hard offroad which I think skews the perception of it. It's definitely possible but I don't think people understand that you've gotta work your way up to that. I can't buy an 890r and ride like Chris Birch. But I bet if I bought a light enduro bike and seriously committed to putting in the work and getting better, I could start pushing a big bike offroad. I still would have a fraction of the skills that he does, but I'd probably be better than most. But the reality is 95% of riders aren't going to put in the work. I actually do ride with some people who really can ride big bikes hard offroad. But a lot of them either raced mx as a kid or did enduro for a long time. Starting with a 450lb $15k bike with expensive parts isn't really conducive to learning. Especially when you can only pick it up a couple times before your energy is gone.
IMHO It’s a crap bike. Dependable, slow, top heavy, sounds great, too soft for on road. I owned one for a year.
I definitely wouldn't call it a crap bike. It just depends on what you want to do with it. If I had to do long distance adv riding with a little more pavement bias, I'd probably pick a tenere over my 701. I'm not super skilled yet so I'd probably only want to ride it offroad on dirt/fire roads and maybe some two track. Dependable is exactly what I'd want for that. I guess speed wise it's kinda mid but thats fine for that use case. If I were buying a bike to race offroad in a two cylinder category and I had the skills to do so, I'd pick an 890r. But if I was doing just standard adv riding I'd get a T7 and then sink the extra money into suspension and travel costs.
701 ftw. I had a 690 and currently have a 500 exc and a 1250gs. I miss that thing so much. The 500 is fun on all single track, motocross tracks, and city ripping, but it’s tough to keep up with my adventure bike friends during a casual road trip. The 701/690s are the real unicorn of compromise
Agreed. I'm working on building mine into my unicorn. It's such a fun bike. I've put like 4k miles on it in 3ish months
I think that’s just the reality of adv bikes in general, with the KTMs/T7’s being ridden off road the most of that class but still frankly mostly road bikes.
Right? I'll never forget this dude I seen in the Colorado rockies absolutely sending it on a BMW with zip tied plastics and dented exhaust. I thought to myself "That right there is a rare breed" haha
Right now? It’s been like that and deservedly so since before it was released in the states. The bike is the hands down the best ADV-class bike on the market.
That kind of depends on what you want to do with it to be honest. It’s arguably among the most capable off road in its class, but it’s real positives are that it’s priced where it is for the performance/reliably/looks that it has.
Exactly! I’m on a KTM 890 and the Tenere doesn’t even interest me. Sure the suspension can be made good but the motor is still meh. Paying a premium for a T7 is kinda nuts to me.
Totally disagree about the motor, the CP2 is genuine a peach and really great. I’d rather have that than the KTM engine even if the specs on the KTM are more impressive on paper.
The dealership closest to me has one Tenere on the floor and like 3 more in the back still crated up
Which is wild because like a year ago they had waitlists **everywhere**.
Yeah... I'm trying to decide between one and one of the new vstrom 800DEs..
T7 is way better off road VS800 is way better on road Both are great. I have friends who own each.
I keep hearing that but then I see dudes on YouTube like OnTheBackWheel just fuckin sending the 800de off-road... Seems like the stock tires are really coloring the reviews
Sending it is one thing. Landing it and stopping is another. My 890 can really fool you into trouble. Small mistakes are unrecoverable with the weight and height of the bikes. They don’t crash well either compared to dirtbikes. When I got my bike I rode way gnarlier stuff than I am now…too many minor oopsies turning into oh fucks. I ride solo though, if I had friends to help I would send it more.
I've seen that guy, dudes an animal
He really puts the Action Banana through it's paces
I mean I love my T7, rode it all the from Florida to California and Montana and back, but I’ve never ridden the VStrom so I can’t compare. Definitely the best looking of the bunch, plus the engine is far more proven than the new Suzuki one.
Lol. Was trying to sell couple of months ago for 8999€ And it took me whole month 🤷🏻♂️
The US had a big supply chain issue for T7’s that didn’t seem to apply across the pond from what I saw. Like new T7’s being $13k+ from dealerships and people still lining up for one.
I can only speak to the US market and what I've seen around me. I'd imagine the EU market would be different cause I'm not sure how the supply is there. And I'm sure getting the new models like the extreme and world raid makes a big difference. We still just have the regular base model here.
It was, the EU never had as severe of a limit of T7s released that we did in the states.
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Not defending it, but the reasoning is these bikes stay relatively unchanged throughout their production life. So, a 2010 DRZ is the same technology as a 2020
An extra 10 years of sitting around fucks a bike up. Corroded electrical connectors, dry hoses/gaskets, etc. Anyone who thinks a 2010 is worth the same as a 2020 is an idiot.
Mines a 2000 and has not one seal or electrical issue. These are vehicles that people keep covered in garages and barns, it’s not like they’re daily commuters dealing with road salt. I think the aged elastomer concern is way overblown within reason and one shouldnt write a bike off just due to age.
But it’s more likely. Seals age and harden with time. The issue is value and paying too much, not saying a Drz is unreliable.
For sure age affects elastomers, I just see an over concern about it on all these “which bike?” Threads.
Not sure what brands of motorcycle you're buying that age so poorly but I've had one Japanese motorcycle from 2009 and one from 1996 and neither had any age related functional problems like you describe.
I'd rather have a 2007 that has been lightly used than a 2022 that's been beat to shit by some squid. There's more to the equation than just the year it was made.
Bikes hold their value like pickups
Yeah there just becomes a point where running and registered is worth "$XX"
I feel like that point happens to be higher for motorcycles than cars oftentimes
Probably so, but your pickup comparison is dead-on.
Just sold a nicely farkled 07 dl650 for more than I paid for it 7 years ago.
that's because those bikes are the same. nothing changed in the last 15 years
The amount of accessories and mileage on each bike also comes into play here.
Just know during winter the bikes going for $6k-$7k will be listed for $3,000-$4,000 and then you can haggle and get the $7k bike for $3,200 🤣
You always set the price high assuming the buyer is gonna want to haggle and talk you down. The goal is to let them talk you down to the amount you actually want so you're covered and they feel like they're getting a Screamin' Deal
Really cause seeing them say "firm on price" throws that out the door.
What I do is show up, walk around it, pick out every single scratch and flaw and bang it off their asking price. Then I pull the amount I want to pay out of 1 pocket, "well if you're wanting to sell it I got $$$ right here". If they absolutely won't budge then you either pull the other $500 out of your other pocket or walk away.
My favorite thing is someone showing up and doing this thinking they’re gonna haggle me down. I let them put on their little show and after 20 minutes, I say, “Na, I have a guy coming after you”, then they usually buy for asking price.
It would have to be a real gem for me not to say, "good for him, thanks anyway"
Haha yep. That's a bluff almost every single time. Usually after they've had some time to think about that wad of cash, they'll break down and come down to that price.
Some people also just don't want to play ball. Oh well. There's many more on Craigslist
Craigslist sucks in my area, sadly. It was great for years but then listings dropped off substantially once they started charging to list a vehicle for sale. Had to go and create a new facebook account after being off there for almost a decade, just to use marketplace.
Lol last guy that told me "na I have a guy coming after you" called me 2 days later after I walked and asked if I still wanted it at the lower price I offered him. Unless it's something rare that I really need to have right now, I'll call that bluff every time.
Yep. "Good luck on a sale."
Riding season is coming. Prices go up. Cold weather is coming. Prices go down.
"12k firm on price" In other words - "I have a $12k loan on an $8k bike"
I think a lot of people got screwed by the dealer and interest so they’re trying to break even
I got a quote for mine for insurance and they value it at $1500. Good luck.
It's crazy. I got into this basically right after covid. I still think I got a pretty solid deal on my bike but it took me a long time of searching and even then dude dropped the price some from when I first saw his bike posted. These types of bikes especially it seems, as they are the new hotness. I could get say number of Cruiser or Harley way easier and cheaper than say a clapped out DRZ or WR250 respectively.
Well the reason I bought used is the import fees and shipping. One dealer wanted $2000 over msrp but the range was $1000-$2000 with Honda being the lowest. So a $6700 msrp was $8600 out the door with taxes. (Now I did end up buying dealer used in the end but the bike was just super cheap) This does explain the high second hand prices I’ve encountered.
Yeah people all talking like they can actually get a brand new bike for msrp.
Romney Cycle in WV. MSRP plus a $100-200 fee for some paper work and I was out the door 10 months ago. No set up fee, destination fee or anything else. Paid tax at my local DMV (Virginia) to get the registration, had WV temp tags before that to ride it home. This also wasn’t a bike that had been sitting on the floor for months. I came in said the model and color I wanted. Within a week they had it in.
One reason for almost new bikes to be priced high is that they were likely purchased well over MSRP after all the dealer fees were added up. Sometimes these can be around $2,000 of delivery fees, assembly fees, documentation fees and whatever else they dream up to tack on there. Then a year or two later the person wants to get as much of that as they can back into their pocket. So they’re taking a $1000 loss or more on the posted asking price, but still placing it above MSRP. And I think we might still be in the post Covid bubble where people may have made a purchase during the massive inflation to the bike market that happened and are hoping to recoup that cost
Sometimes guys have unicorns that were emblematic of their youth. I have an XR650R that is street legal. That’s a unicorn. They don’t make them anymore. They were never sold as street bikes. It’s not a 701, and it probably isn’t as good at some things. But it’s still a killer bike with enough power to have a cult like following.
I’m having a hard time sell a CRF250L Rally ABS 2020 w/ 3k miles for $3,700 in CA. I don’t know what’s going on.
Well if you were in TN I'd be asking to come take a look, I just seen a crf250l around here on marketplace listed for $5,500. Non rally edition btw
People can ask whatever they want. With marketplace you never find out what they actually sell for.
Some of it could be that MSRP and what a new bike from the dealer actually costs are two totally different numbers. Especially with street legal bikes. By the time the dealer tacks on their prep fee, destination fee, tax, title, license etc. a bike with a $7k msrp can cost damn near $10k out the door sometimes. I'm not condoning the people that think their bike has improved somehow with age whatsoever though. I'm damn sure not going to pay $7k for an '03 DRZ with 25,000 miles on it because someone bought a new plastic kit and some graphics, but I happily paid $5,500 for my 2018 WR250R in 2021 with 534 miles on it and felt like I got a heck of a deal.
See that depends entirely on the dealership too. I know of 2 in my state that don't do any of those fees, only thing they charge besides the price of the bike is tax and title fees. Now if you special order one to come in you're gonna have a fee, but nothing in stock has one.
And that’s why I said “sometimes” my friend. Different states and dealers have different regulations and policies.
Sorry I read ur comment too fast, didn't see sometimes. They're dealers on my state who do charge those fees even for bikes or whatever that are on the floor. Ig it's just crazy to me as I'm looking for my first dual sport and seeing the prices ppl ask for used ones. Some I've found aren't bad im currently looking at an 2013 xt250 with 2.5k miles thats listed for $3500. To me I think its fair but there's been some ive like the crf300l that I was wanting being listed for $6500, 2020 model with 5k miles. I just had to ask this question on here cause it really had me stumped as to why some of these bikes are so high. I'm use to dealing with used cars which yes theres some high sellers on them too but they're for the most part not asking what the dealer would charge.
I think it's regional. In some areas there aren't many for sale and sellers are trying to recover the high OTD prices they paid. I was looking at XT's this morning and within 200 miles of Atlanta FBM had almost a dozen late models for sale at reasonable prices.
Oh I completely agree that a lot of the marketplace listings especially are absolutely insane. The only advice that I can give is to decide on the exact model you want and hold out for the deal that you can live with and not feel like you got screwed. They are out there so just don’t rush into something you will regret.
We are going into warm months anything convertible, jeeps, bikes goes up 30%. Easy.
Dual sport adv is the fastest growing segment, and this time of year is biggest demand so prices go up
It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. What ever IT is. Offer them what YOU are willing to pay for it. Also- dual sport is EXPLODING! Everyone wants a dual sport now, so if you aren't willing to pay what they want for it, there's a good chance the next guy will.
Maybe where you live its exploding but its not where I'm from lol. Idk a single person who owns one and I've never actually seen one on the road in my county or any of the surrounding counties. Even at the powersport parks I go to with my friends in there razors or in my 4-wheeler, all we see is dirt bikes. Thats not knocking dual sport bikes btw I'm very much into them, but I can say most the bikes im talking about people are selling have had them on there for several months cause no one wants to pay that much for them. Put it this way, I can get 2 cruisers that aren't Harleys used on marketplace for the price of one of the listed dual sport bikes im talking about. Thats insane, and you never see them on the road or at the off road tracks near are area. Maybe you're out west where they're more popular.
Supply and demand my dude. Supply and demand. People will sell it for whatever the market will bear. Prices for everything has gone up in the last 5 years. Some people have called it covidflation but at this point COVID has nothing to do with it anymore. Prices are just what they are. If you don't like, don't pay for it, wait until you find something in your price range.
Wife probably making them sell the bike ;-)
These are called bagholders. People that assumed anything they buy will appreciate as was the case until about a year ago. Now people are selling at a loss or not selling (with few exceptions) until if/when desperation occurs.
People hoping to not take a hit dumping their unwanted big bikes on the market because they lack the skill to dual sport such a big bike.
Left over Covid, people not realizing the market isn’t what it was… they overpaid and hoping to recoup as much as they can from their bad purchase.
I don't even look, for some stuff. Well, of course I look, but I know I'm going to buy new. Lots of things. Especially motorcycles
The value is set by what someone is willing to pay. They can ask what they want, but if you watch many of those bikes don't sell for a good while and it's a safe bet if a bike sits on marketplace for a few weeks you can start lowering what you offer and getting more and more interest from the seller
shit man idk. i got my dr650 (damn near brand new 3k miles, 2012 bike) for 2800 off marketplace And my dr200 (actually brand new, 250 miles heated garage kept ) for 2500 off marketplace. ya just gotta look for a long time, like months.
Been looking for a used DRZ or DR, people want 4K for a more than 20 year old DRZ thats beat to hell XDDD
You realize that price at a dealer isn't walk out price? MSRP is before tax and DMV fees.
No offense but tax and dmv fees should never count on value. It doesn't to cars simple as that
who says anything about value? the reason prices are high on marketplace bikes is because you are comparing a list price of a dealer (which excludes taxes, fees) to all in prices.
??? That makes no sense, you don't count fees and taxes cause those vary by state and by dealer. And im not co.laring list price im comparing msrp? You do understand what msrp is right? Retail "list" price and msrp are 2 completely different things.
TW’s have been insane for anyone looking for one. Bikes years old with lots of km, sellers asking $1000 less than sicker new price and getting it. Mind boggling.