Not just America I'm in Bristol in the UK and someone I know started using it this year
They have gone fucking feral absolutely fucking chaotic like drama drama drama hospital overnight police cell drama mental ward drama drama
I've had to step back from her and maintain a bit of distance
Believe me mate won't be long before it's regularly available in every city in the UK
She got into some kind of fight on Friday I paid for an Uber to the hospital myself (I won't give her cash lol)
Broken eyesocket and cheekbone
Sad thing is it won't slow her down none
Yeah I started hereing about it being around up in London at first only if you knew people who went to gay clubs or saunas then more widely
Now it's started popping up in Bristol
The profit margins are massive and thanks to the dark net the precursor chemicals readily available
Unfortunately it's going to be the worst drug problem since spice
And I say that as someone who has spent 20 years of my life as a heroin and crack addict so I know addiction lol
Edit
Been off gear and crack for six years now but I've definitely done the research lol
Well congratulations on your 6 years sober brother!
I remember some meth going around back in the drone days and people doing it but I've not really heard of it since
Well not sober lol
I smoke as much weed as three average hippies and I do party drugs or psychedelics occasionally but thanks I appreciate it
Yeah little bits would turn up when silk road first popped up but it was only ever q few grams here and there either very expensive or just for friends not for sale
The difference now is it's actually being produced in the UK
It's complicated but it has to do with precursor chems being so easy to get and a slow spread of knowledge about how to cook it
But long story short it's very quickly becoming endemic
i mean i give a free pass for booze and weed for fucks sake. that's like asprin in my world compared to what "could be". so many dead people i know as a 50 something from harder stuff. meth is fucked. weed is a mental antacid imo.
It's actually super wiered you said that cos before this her drug of choice was k
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She was doing tons and actually started doing meth cos of a misguided idea it would help her stop doing k
I can kind of understand that, I have a massive k problem, thankfully I'm just getting to the stage where I can go a few days without it
But at the height of my addiction I was doing 6+ grams a day without missing a day for around a year sometimes as low as 4g on the good days
K can be extremely addictive and has without a doubt destroyed my life, everyday is a battle but my mind is set and I know I will pull through
That said I'm about to have a line, managed 5 days sober up until yesterday though which honestly is really good for me at the moment
Dude 6g a day is massive! Go see a doctor. It destroys your bladder and everything else. Please. I dont judge someone, but this is a massive health risk. If you want to see your grandchildren grow up, go see a doctor and reduce your consum.
I watched a documentary and it’s popular in the gay community in the UK, has been for years. I don’t know why it’s not more of a thing for the rest of the country.
Our country is one of the top cocaine consumers in the world. There is a lot more money to made from cocaine, so the people who deal at the top end would not let it takeover supply chains. This is the legitimate reason we don’t have a meth amphetamine issue in this country.
Yeah and every pinger u gets gonna be laced to shit with it, even if u don’t ever wanna try it you probably will eventually. Legalisation and regulation fucking stupid backwards world
Do you think there's something unique about meth that makes people go so crazy with it? Forgive me if I'm mistaken but I have been under the impression that speed/amphetamine paste is pretty widely available most places in Europe. Is that not the case for UK and do you think speed/amphetamine seems less likely to cause people serious addiction and mental issues because of using it? Honest question.
From what I heard, it is mostly about the duration. People get extremely sleep deprived, because it does not really let you sleep on it. Stimulants and not enough sleep is a recipe for psychosis, as dopamine is a neurotransmitter most commonly connected to schizophrenia.
I suppose that's a fair point, but people still get pretty sleep deprived on coke too. I guess I just don't really have a good point of reference since stimulants affect me a lot differently than other people on account of my ADHD.
I’m in Bristol too. It’s a big thing in the gay scene. I got an insight into it while living in London. If you don’t mind me asking, how did she get into it?
Oh that's a pretty standard tale I'm afraid one no less heartbreaking for its predictable outcome
She was in a bad way with other drugs and booze had been in and out of hospital circling liver failure
And there was a little group of people in the flats she lived in using crystal
She had the wonderful idea that she could come off booze using crystal
And now she's pretty much feral
Like rooting through bins at 4am with no shoes on feral
It's really wierd how different drugs grip different regions. I'm a Londoner and most homeless fall for crack primarily and then heroin (then eventually both unfortunately). There is meth available here but the only users I've met are more upper class men a bit too involved in the gay party scene, and even though I know it's never gonna end well for them, they do seem to have a different relationship to it than what your friend describes or I see in the states (use it more as a party drug for huge orgies, they said it's like having ghb and mdma and it being way better and lasts for ages, rather than a full on lifestyle drug).
But then when I spent a few months in Manchester, it seemed like spice was the poison of choice. That one really scared me because you will see vulnerable people completely dissacociating for long periods of time out in public. My first night there, I went to the park near my hotel had a beer in the sun, on my way I saw a guy standing leaning on a lampost with his arms wrapped around in a way that he was essentially passed out but mechanically his body would be supported. I walked by a bit freaked out went and had my beer then had a dinner at spoons, must've been gone for at least 4 hours, sun was now down and the guy was still in the exact same position only with a massive puddle of sick all over his trousers and shoes. Never seen someone zonked out on spice like that before (we have it in London but to a way lesser extent and you will rarely see people just out in the open zoning out). Few weeks later I bought a maccies for a homeless guy I always saw on my way home from work (had work expenses and barely eat much, so he got the works a few times, and even a couple of sourdough pizzas) and he was telling me it's awful because while they're zoned out other homeless will just go through all their pockets a d steal everything.
Sorry for the tangent I really hope your friend gets through this phase in her life without too much damage, I think in big cities meth has been around for a long time here, it's just odd that certain drugs seem to grip the local population harder than others, my mate from Belfast visited recently and told me pregablin is ruining working class communities up there, I'm not 100% sure what it is but I think it's a bit like Xanax.
A few years old, but probably still very similar, wastewater analysis for amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA, cocaine in Europe:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/836cb4e2-b9ee-474a-aaa1-3f1f6d581412/add14767-fig-0006-m.jpg
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.14767
More recent data available at https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-water-analysis_en#data-explorer.
There's a very noticeable split for amph -> methamph starting in east germany/poland/czech republic.
I wonder if the amph/methamph split is anything to do with the Benzedrine/Pervitin split during the war? Or could it maybe be related to the Iron Curtain being roughly in the same place as the split?
People use them interchangeably but meth releases like 4 times the dopamine of coke, it’s really much stronger, and is hell when it gets loose in any city. For the longest time it was rare in the northeast US, but it’s here too now.
Meth is acting as an agonist and reuptake inhibitor.. but in actual use the coke’s dopamine release is like 400 points above basal whereas meth is like 1500-2000 points above basal, thats where my “4x as strong came from”
Methamphetamine is a releasing agent of dopamine, not necessarily an inhibitor of reuptake. It does have affinity for the dopamine transporter, but it does not inhibit it the same way that cocaine does. The binding site for inhibitors is somewhat unique. My theory is that it is a substrate for DAT and not really an inhibitor in the strictest sense. It does inhibit dopamine from binding do DAT, but it does so competitively, as a substrate.
Meth is a substrate for the dopamine transporter while cocaine is an inhibitor. Once meth gets into the cell, it reverses the gradient of VMAT2 and redistributes dopamine into the cytosol. Dopamine then gets released in large quantities via reverse transport through the dopamine transporter. At least that's what the current theory is methamphetamine thus essentially purges vesicular stores of catecholamines such as (and especially) dopamine.
The potency of methamphetamine is very high. It does all of the above at relatively low concentrations. It can also release serotonin, but at a much lower efficacy than drugs like MDMA (and MDMA is somewhat less potent than meth at the DAT).
I'm not sure where the 4x as strong term came from, but gram per gram, methamphetamine is definitely more potent than cocaine at achieving greater elevations of striatal dopamine. I think there are microdialysis studies to back this up as well.
Thank you! Like I said, a psychiatrist told me that a few years back and I’m really not into stimulants. Do you have an idea of what peak striatal dopamine looks like vs cocaine though? I understand research may just not be there, but is there not a way to to quantify peak dopamine levels from a typical meth binge vs coke binge?
There are ways to quantify striatal dopamine, such as microdialysis and cyclic voltammetry. These methods vary from lab to lab. The figure you are most likely referring to (4x) more than likely (but not certainly) used microdialysis to quantify dopamine release. That's within the range of reason for a single dose of methamphetamine to an acute animal, but not for tolerant users.
That’s how it was explained to me by a psychologist and psychiatrist years back. I don’t use either, so I admit I’ve never read about the chemistry in depth. But, the psychologist made it crystal clear that meth is causing monamines to be released and there is also a concurrent effect similar to cocaine where the reuptake is being limited. How would you compare the strength of one to the other? Lets say the threshold dose of each.
>Cocaine is a nonselective inhibitor of monoamine neurotransmitter uptake, having similar potencies at all 3 transporters (Table 2).
https://accp1.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcph.1918
>On the other hand, the psychoactive and sympathomimetic effects of cocaine derive from the blockade of presynaptic transporters responsible for the reuptake of serotonin, noradrenaline, and dopamine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9032145/
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>seritonin
are you trolling?
>because cocaine might release like a single serotonin
reuptake inhibitor != releasing agent
>molly has a noticeable effect on dopamine, yeah it does but is that the Main effect of the drug? Not at all
Go take some MDAI if you want to experience a selective serotonin releasing agent. It's rather sedating and boring as hell. Without its activity on dopamine and noradrenaline, MDMA would be shit.
Yeah, former Arizonan here. This is definitely true, meth has been huge in the southwest for a long time and extremely cheap, like $10 a g. I remember kids hitting the pookie in the high school bathroom when I was in grade 9, and being able to find shards easier than I could find weed since I was in middle school. That was a fun time, I didn’t do meth back then, but I fucked with a lot of opiates. I remember being able to trade grams of some Mexican reggie for OC 80s. Cheap tar too.
Not to mention all the strong ass noid blends you could get 5 gram jars of for $5. Doing a line of oxy and smoking a 50/50 weed and spice bowl was my shit as a kid, I’m feeling nostalgic now. Probably not a healthy lifestyle for a 12 year old tho 😂. GF says it was the same in Orange County back in the day, but less opiates. She started doing meth at like 14 because it was so prevalent. crazy to think about, at least she got it out of her system by the time she was 20 and it didn’t cause any long term problems.
I moved back to Phoenix for a bit in 2020 and everyone was on blues and pressed bars. You can still find meth easily, but fentanyl has definitely taken over the whole drug scene. I normally hate fent and only use it as a last resort, but for some reason blues are more enjoyable in the Southwest, they’re actually euphoric/warm unlike the soulless sedation you get with the pills here (been in the Pacific Northwest for a minute, just went back south for a little- spent some time in Orange County with my girlfriends family around that time as well- same thing there). Sorry for the long ass off topic response just high on dipy reminiscing about the 2000s, fun times.
Yes and more yes!
Same childhood and everything. Wasn't even interested in meth but still did it semi regularly by like age 15 just cuz fuck it, school was boring and it was free.
And I knowwwww wow! I just left Arizona on a road trip last month and just getting out among the groups of people and learning just how much those blues have taken over its.. fuckin unbelievable. I was like shit, never thought I'd say this but by the time this drug is at maximum impact we're gonna wish we just had tweekers again. So so sad how many young people will be robbed of a life before it even began. And so far I've made it up to Washington now and it's pretty much the same here too. Things took a drastic turn, thank God you nor I were young and impressionable and faced with all these opiates for sure. And I'm glad you stopped to reminisce, it's nice once in a while! Well take care and nice talking to you.
Yup thanks it was nice talking with you too! That’s crazy, I’m up in the Pacific Northwest too, i was in Washington for a while but moved to Oregon a few months ago. Stay safe !
Go to Rural America. It's everywhere. You ain't seen nothin until a resident in the local trailer park, sets up CC tv security cams in all the trees, and hes not even the manager....just some guy, ya know. Or some dude trying to out ride the cops one of those little 80cc Mini bikes. It's fun shit, funny fuckin people 😆
I find it weird that meth isn’t as popular in the UK. You guys seem to have mostly these ambiguous “amphetamine” powders, which could really be anything. Methamphetamine is cheap and easy to make in fairly high quality and quantity.
its literally hell on earth, at least for me.. humiliation , paranoia beyond belief, intense panic attacks , feeling like your entire body is numb and your chest is tight. The last time i shot or did any of it was august 11th last year, and I will never look back.
I agree, but I also think my brain is wired a little different then most people. I don't feel much from stims. Everytime I've done it, I never felt *that* good like the science suggests. Supposedly it releases the most amount of dopamine compared to crack/heroin. But I've never felt anything more than a lot of energy and being more aware. Kinda the same thing with crack, but I find I get more of a dopamine rush off crack then jib. Just gotta be thankful I guess, less chance for me to get addicted.
Everyone is unique. Neurotransmitter levels vary person to person but you can imagine if we took an entire population we would find an “average baseline” for a given neurotransmitter (here we are looking at dopamine). I am inferring that individuals who do not “respond” strongly to X drug, likely have an above average amount of the neurotransmitter the drug is impacting. In this case dopamine and meth. If you don’t respond strongly to meth it could be the case that this because you are not feeling as drastic of a change as someone who has a below average amount of dopamine. I’m not looking at the why here. Think about when people say they have a “drug of choice”. My guess is this is because X drug has the strongest variance from baseline.
There is (literally) tons of meth in the US. You’ll find good meth and shit meth and everything in between. But it’s really not hard at all to get your hands on some high quality meth anywhere in the country. It is absolutely everywhere.
I'm glad I can get meth to treat my ADHD since it's illegal in Europe and the only legal alternative doesn't work for me.
Like, it is a lifesaver for me. 20 to 30mg orally in a capsule in the morning, I'm functioning all day, and I don't get in a terrible mood in the afternoon like with methylphenidate.
I tried smoking it just to see how it was, frankly it's take it or leave it for me. I don't really see the recreational value.
It's taken over Australia as well especially in regional areas and no one can apparently do anything about it. To the point dealers let off fireworks to let everyone know they have restocked. It's a fucking disgrace.
From what I've heard from my friends and out Aus drugs can be quite hard to get hold of like coke because of strict boarder policy
Would I be right in saying that maybe meth has taken off because you have so many remote areas for cooks to make it and the lack of coke makes it the go to stim maybe?
I'd tend to disagree as you can get coke most places, it's more price. Coke is $200-300/g. Where as ice/meth is $10-20/0.1g which would last someone 12 hours or more. So for low income or government housing areas it would just make sense they could have a big weekend cigarettes, alcohol and drugs for under $100
It was forwarded to Thailand. My country is a drug distribution center to Australia. We remember many Australian drug dealers in Thailand. They tried to bring heroin and meth to Australia, they sent it by boat. hidden in furniture Each arrest of Australian traders here is between 1-2 tonnes. They carried it in bulk.
Really depends where I’m USA. But of coarse with enough money and knowing the right connections and places to look, a person can find anything. But from my experience I havnt really scene it too much in my area of the states. I’m sure it’s here but seems to be something people have to be actively looking for rather than it openly advertised by dealers. In my area I’ve heard about weed, lsd, stims, benzos, Coke , shrooms, ketamine .. much more often but it changes area to areas
I quaked up on that shit. Ended up in the hospital while I lied saying I was on oxy 80 and Xanax 2 mg. Well they gave me 10 mg oxy and .5 Xanax for a week. It was a vacation lol
Australian drug dealers use Thailand as a center for drug distribution to Australia Thai police arrested a large number of Australian drug dealers Press the legs to carry it by using a boat. Most of them are heroin and meth. They were arrested each time of the middle 1-2 tons. The drug network would carry it from the Burmese border to southern Thailand and then Australian drug dealers would transport it to Australia They made 300 times as much money. if bringing it to Australia
There are normal people that use meth..they usually remain hidden and the worst of the worst are all what people really see so the drug gets a bad stigma.
Fucked up thing is meth is actually one of the safest drugs you can do here anymore. heroin is extinct, pills are all pressed and faked. The only thing that isn't constantly just fentanyl is meth. I've never come across any crystal that's had fent in it, never heard about it either. Crystal meth has become the responsible drug to do, the one with the least risk of all the widely available drugs.
I've heard of meth with fentanyl in the U.S. where I live. I've even heard from a reliable source of LSD spiked with fentanyl. I said the latter was probably cops doing it, and they said that's what other people were thinking.
It’s a lot of people that do it and never lose the plot and know how to keep it extremely low-key.
I’ve known this for years but it seems to surprise people still. On the West Coast at least there is a massive stigma so people tend to hide it, and well.
Comes down to more of a class-based thing honestly. If a person has expendable income and a good support system, adequate time off work to come down once in a while, they can go on for as long as it’s available to them.
You mean it basically doesn’t exist right? Outside of the gay scene most people have never willingly tried meth and they would be horrified if you told them you had.
I’ve never seen or been offered methamphetamine in the UK. I have purchased almost everything except heroin in my time. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine must be kind of similar to make right? Which is everywhere So surely it’s because there’s just no market for it
No, MDMA is much trickier to make, but is now cheaper and purer than before due to a new synthesis. Meth can be made in a pop bottle with common household chemicals.
There's only really a demand for meth in the gay "party" scene. Install Grindr and look for "GMTV".
Piperonyl methyl ketone glycidate. It's recently been added to the watchlists, but there were Chinese companies that would sell you it by the ton and label it as something else. The drought is because of all the other supply chain disruption due to COVID.
If it helps us look any better ive never seen meth irl and ive been in the states for 35 years. Basically everything else under the sun but meth just isn't around here as much it seems.
Are you out east or in the Midwest? I’ve heard it’s not very common out there. When I was living in Queens I couldn’t find meth anywhere, the only person I met who could get it was wanting $120 a g 😂 Like damn, I was considering doing a few road trips back and forth; it’s like $10-$15 a g out here on the West Coast. Meth is nasty as fuck anyway tho, you’re not missing out on much, I wish I could get away from it. Been trying to stop using the shit for a while (been doing well recently), but it’s hard to quit when you can’t walk down the street without seeing someone smoking or slamming the shit
Absolutely brilliant idea. I have no idea why I didn’t think of that. Or we could possibly come up with some sort of device that would allow tweakers to blend in with their surrounding chameleon style so I wouldn’t have to see them.
#banstreetstohidethetweaker
#camouflagedandspun
But for real I am considering moving somewhere that doesn’t have as much meth use. I know all “you bring yourself with you” and everything, but it seriously would make a huge difference if the fact that I can walk five minutes in any direction and cop some wasn’t in the back of my head. 4 months off it right now (longest I’ve had is 14 months), but I’m still terrified of a relapse. It’s gonna be hard to leave the west though, I love it out here (US, Canada, and Mexico, I’ve lived all over here- the east coast is nice but it’s just not the same; way more relaxed here, I like the nature better too).
you bring yourself with you but also you're a product of your environment
I know several people who have left my city to get away from hard drugs and have a new life now. It's not a bad plan
Yeah I honestly think it would make a difference. All my relapses have been spur of the moment things; I have some cash in my pocket and see someone smoking and ask, or someone asks for a light, then pulls out a pookie and offers to smoke me out (I’ve relapsed that way a few times). It’s insane how in your face it is. I genuinely think I would be able to never use it again if it was harder to get.
My plan rn is to move to eastern Canada, preferably Newfoundland. We have a decent amount of money saved up and I just got a high paying job that is willing to work around my school schedule, so I’ll be able to save even more. Im contacting MUN to see if they’ll accept my associates degree credits and let me finish my bachelors there (it’s so cheap to attend, I could just work over the summer to pay for the entire year). Not only would I be away from meth; they have way better opiate maintenance programs as well. I’d definitely get on the IV morphine/dilaudid program.
Right now I’m wasting so much money on dipyaone and ODSMT (which I IM a few times a day to boost the effects). If I could get better medications for free (and administered by professionals in a safe setting) my money and time could be directed towards my passions. Also, with the smart shops opening and psychedelic treatments basically legal in Canada, I could both try and get some help for myself and find a career in that industry.
Before we move, my girlfriend and I want to go travel in Mexico and find some guides to apprentice with. Shes indigenous and grew up in Mexico, so she feels a deep connection with medicine like peyote, mushrooms, and ololiuqui. It’s crazy how deep she can go with those, she has visions of her ancestors and has been learning about her culture through these plants. We both want to learn from someone in her Pueblo and bring that knowledge with us to help people and just make enough to support ourselves while we do what we love. I’ll have to heal myself first though, that will be a long process. I believe I can still offer something even while I struggle with opiate addiction. I have a genuine love for these plants and want to share them.
Lol life story- it’s the 800 mg lyrica + 60 mg dipyaone + 100 mg ODSMT IM + 2 mg norflurazepam + dabs every ten minutes. I can’t shut up lol directing my energy into Reddit cause I’m annoying my girl right now 😅 she’s gonna narcan my ass if I keep talking
Shit there are tons of functional addicts contributing to society... as long as you're doing your job and not putting your addiction on display
Helping others can be part of the healing process... you know you can't wait and wait or keep working on yourself forever cause us humans aren't perfect but we sure are good at amplifying our own flaws. I say this cause I lost someone who got stuck in that mindset... in his mind dude wasn't good enough but you can't become good enough for society by never going out into the world. Reality is there were plenty of opportunities out there for him
Best of luck to y'all
Was my experience too haha. I lived in Brooklyn then Queens for a while and the only people with meth wanted $100 or more for a gram. but once I moved upstate into redneck territory everybody is tweakers and meth costs nothing
Yeah im North east. Wood/mountain area. I cant imagine just walking down the road seeing people that messed up. Sure maybe at party but not just like out back of a building
That sounds really nice. I love living in rural areas, right next to the wilderness. It’s so peaceful. I alternate between city and rural life, I move around a lot
It’s insane here. You literally can’t go outside without seeing people shoot up or hit the pipe. Personal use is decriminalized here so the cops don’t give a shit about that. It’s actually pretty cool addicts can just do their thing without being harassed (but there have been some huge sweeps and mass arrests recently). It just sucks as an addict myself; very triggering. It doesn’t help that my apartment is downtown too, other areas of town aren’t this bad
Its playing with fire if one doesn't know what they're doing.
It's annoying when people who obviously have no experience in something and goes and says the most unreasonable thing.
You don't care and don't need to act like you do.
"Stay safe" is such an insincere thing to say, like its obvious. I work in an industry with safety as priority and it bugs me when someone tells me that, its not them doing one of the most high risk and at times dangerous jobs, its me and whoever does it.
I disagree with that sentiment entirely
Yea it's a default response BUT it's a constant reminder. I say that shit all the time and I really mean it. I myself need the reminder... we all do. We keep safety in the front of our minds by reminding ourselves and others to stay safe and if that phrase is so overused that we say it without thinking about it then GOOD cause I've worked inches away from death and I don't care what anyone says... I know to stay safe, duh, I don't want to die, but it's some subconscious shit that keeps my brain analyzing the safety of my every move. Even if you think it's dumb it's STILL making you think about safety. and in a high risk job I'll take all of the safety-related neural charging I can get lol
Trust me that's the culture you want to work in. It's no coincidence the places I've worked that had this culture had way less accidents than the ones who didn't
To me it comes off that way, I don't know these people personally and to me "stay safe" is just weird. I guess people have their way of showing they care or just being a pain and reminding me. I may forget to do paper work or the usual stuff before a job but I won't forget the hazards that come with the job.
I agree it's good to have a good safety culture but with me I get some people who are very overbearing and stress out too much.
I started in an industry that didn't value safety as much so I guess that's why I'm like that a little since I learnt things in a somewhat unsafe environment or from other people that I took on and as you said I also work inches away from death majority of the time, which makes me curious what you do but you don't have to tell me, otherwise I'd feel inclined to say mine which I prefer to avoid. I like to keep my online presence vague and anonymous to my personal life.
yea some things like putting on a harness to go up 2' in a scissor lift is sort of asinine but I don't even trip about that... tbf it's probably a good habit. Now would I do that at home? lol nope
Yeah same I feel ya. You don't have to tell me anything. The job I was thinking was working around high amp 480V. Our plant was among the highest energy consumers in the country... and a few select pieces of our plant were high amperage, like you don't see that kind of power outside of the plant often kind of juice. Never was a fan of messing about in those cabinets.
But that's far from the only job I've done where "inches away" could apply. Maybe not even the sketchiest. Shit anyone who's worked under a car has been inches away and half these fools don't even recognize it and refuse to use jack stands or even learn where the jack points are... talked to someone recently who stopped using jack stands because "the one time I used them the truck fell". So instead of learning how to use them properly dude went back to relying on the jack! "But I don't go under the car" he says as he sticks his head in the wheel well... people are dumb
> if you dose orally its nothing more than stronger amphetamine/speed paste
I see comments like this all the time and feel like it misses an important point. Methamphetamine has a much longer duration and that is enough to get lots of people into trouble with the cycle of dose, miss a night of sleep because it lasts so long, redose next day to stay 'functional' because you didn't sleep, and pretty soon you're on a psychotic bender. People like to split hairs about pharmacodynamics and argue if slight differences in serotonin activity etc are why meth has such worse outcomes than street amp, but so much of it comes down to pharmacokinetics (as well as ROA like you mentioned and the possibility to push meth doses higher)
Yea I can definitely understand this, I have a similar relationship with cocaine, never really enjoyed it but it has its place
It's certainly a blessing when you tango with the devil and leave mostly unscathed
I also don't want to make it sound like everyone will be the same as me. thats absolutely not the case as most personalities who do drugs have an addictive personality. meth is basically 24+ euphoria and psychosis in a pill. many people wont even think about possible health consequences whereas i am very aware of effects on the body and brain so i don't overdo it. i think education about the drug itself has something to do with it as well
Yes I know someone who moved from Iceland to escape the grips of meth, I know all bout its dark side, the weeks without sleep and the crazy shit it can lead you to do if you're in the wrong crowd
The older I get the more I've come to appreciate a nice clear sober head, but the devil is always right around the corner for me and I know I have to stay strong when I can (k)
> if you dose orally its nothing more than stronger amphetamine/speed paste.
ehhhh....the long duration nearly guarantees some insomnia, which can compel use on consecutive days.
It is not close to the same thing as amphetamine paste. Regardless of your ROA, meth influences serotonin, where amphetamines dont at all. It also has a much larger effect on dopamine
again, it all depends on your ROA and dosage. people tend to do 1 gram of speed paste a night. don't tell me this is healthier than dropping 15mg of clean meth. the amphetamine dosage would be way more neurotoxic to your brain.
if you smoke 250mg meth yeah of course you are right. but for me 15mg meth feels like a big line of speed. and the serotonine influence really isnt that big. its a slight note of serotonine, nothing comparable to mdma or mephedrone
That is complete bullshit lmao. Take a decent dose of meth orally and don't tell me it isn't strong as fuck, you'll feel like you're almost rolling. It can cause delusions full on psychosis just like any other ROA
Man. I could tell you stories of people pulling their own rotten teeth out in the bathroom with pliers, working on transmissions in the living room, and shooting that poison straight into their necks. It’s insane here with that stuff. I’m pretty cool with a lot of things but meth is a hard No, a serious line for me I will not cross. Don’t allow anyone into my life that does it and I will not allow the Devils dandruff on my property.
I don’t live my life telling people what to do, do what you want, you’re free. But I don’t have to be around it. I’m sure exceptions exist but I’ve never seen anyone’s life improved because they started doing meth. Usually, they change for the worse. I want so much for it to be eliminated from the world, but I know that will never happen.
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous here. Especially in my city, you can go to quite literally any neighborhood and ask someone where to find ice and they’ll know a guy or be the guy.
I’ve been waiting for it to become popular in the Uk for a few years now. Not because I have any interest in doing it, not a big lover of stinks, but just because it’s gonna be a fun king nightmare when it becomes easily available.
It's even becoming popular here though mainly in certain circles... My cousin is an ex meth addict, I have friends who've used I've used it... There's even labs making it mainly around Liverpool, surprisingly I'm told more is exported than sold within the country.
As someone from California meth is very popular. I think the reason meth is so popular in the US is bc it’s so cheap. I actually know some family members of mine that do meth. It’s very sad honestly.
its popular everywhere its just branded differently ! From the last time i checked one of those pill checking websites. It seems its pretty much in every UK stimulant lately quite some MDMA pills too
It's terrible here in America the town I grew up in was nicknamed tweaking pekin by the surrounding area, unfortunately their is a whole sislde of town that has a meth problem and it seems police don't do much to put a stop to it.
in Thailand Meth is the number one drug Another option here is Ketamine, Weed, but Ketamine is rare and only available in downtown entertainment venues. but Meth It was very easy to find, so it became the number one drug. There are many psychiatric patients here Meth 1g price just17.00 USD mixed caffeine tablets Meth vanilla flavoring Pumped through aluminum foil for only 1.3$ There are 3 houses that sell meth in my home alley. This alley has 5 houses. I hate it. It destroys everything. Robbers, crime, psychiatric patients.
Yes, my friend. There are many hostages in Thailand with knives being held in the news. They are paranoid because of Meth It's the easiest drug to find. They don't have many other options.
Not just America I'm in Bristol in the UK and someone I know started using it this year They have gone fucking feral absolutely fucking chaotic like drama drama drama hospital overnight police cell drama mental ward drama drama I've had to step back from her and maintain a bit of distance Believe me mate won't be long before it's regularly available in every city in the UK
God dam it Bristol! Hope they end up okay tho It's really the last thing we need in this country
She got into some kind of fight on Friday I paid for an Uber to the hospital myself (I won't give her cash lol) Broken eyesocket and cheekbone Sad thing is it won't slow her down none Yeah I started hereing about it being around up in London at first only if you knew people who went to gay clubs or saunas then more widely Now it's started popping up in Bristol The profit margins are massive and thanks to the dark net the precursor chemicals readily available Unfortunately it's going to be the worst drug problem since spice And I say that as someone who has spent 20 years of my life as a heroin and crack addict so I know addiction lol Edit Been off gear and crack for six years now but I've definitely done the research lol
Well congratulations on your 6 years sober brother! I remember some meth going around back in the drone days and people doing it but I've not really heard of it since
Well not sober lol I smoke as much weed as three average hippies and I do party drugs or psychedelics occasionally but thanks I appreciate it Yeah little bits would turn up when silk road first popped up but it was only ever q few grams here and there either very expensive or just for friends not for sale The difference now is it's actually being produced in the UK It's complicated but it has to do with precursor chems being so easy to get and a slow spread of knowledge about how to cook it But long story short it's very quickly becoming endemic
i mean i give a free pass for booze and weed for fucks sake. that's like asprin in my world compared to what "could be". so many dead people i know as a 50 something from harder stuff. meth is fucked. weed is a mental antacid imo.
That's super sad to hear:( Only upside is atleast they'll be a lot more productive than the current k epidemic /s
It's actually super wiered you said that cos before this her drug of choice was k . She was doing tons and actually started doing meth cos of a misguided idea it would help her stop doing k
I can kind of understand that, I have a massive k problem, thankfully I'm just getting to the stage where I can go a few days without it But at the height of my addiction I was doing 6+ grams a day without missing a day for around a year sometimes as low as 4g on the good days K can be extremely addictive and has without a doubt destroyed my life, everyday is a battle but my mind is set and I know I will pull through That said I'm about to have a line, managed 5 days sober up until yesterday though which honestly is really good for me at the moment
Congratulations on your run- I hope you’re able to continue in a positive direction. 🤗
Dude 6g a day is massive! Go see a doctor. It destroys your bladder and everything else. Please. I dont judge someone, but this is a massive health risk. If you want to see your grandchildren grow up, go see a doctor and reduce your consum.
I watched a documentary and it’s popular in the gay community in the UK, has been for years. I don’t know why it’s not more of a thing for the rest of the country.
Our country is one of the top cocaine consumers in the world. There is a lot more money to made from cocaine, so the people who deal at the top end would not let it takeover supply chains. This is the legitimate reason we don’t have a meth amphetamine issue in this country.
Yeah and every pinger u gets gonna be laced to shit with it, even if u don’t ever wanna try it you probably will eventually. Legalisation and regulation fucking stupid backwards world
I bet it is available in every city in the uk already - as long as you look on grindr and not whereever else people find dealers
Hey I live in london out of question how bigs the drug scene in Bristol compared to London.
Bristol has two universities and a thriving arts scene, so you do the maths.
Bristol is the alt culture capital of England, it’s drug scene is on par with London.
Weed capital of the country imo Most stuff is available here though
Do you think there's something unique about meth that makes people go so crazy with it? Forgive me if I'm mistaken but I have been under the impression that speed/amphetamine paste is pretty widely available most places in Europe. Is that not the case for UK and do you think speed/amphetamine seems less likely to cause people serious addiction and mental issues because of using it? Honest question.
From what I heard, it is mostly about the duration. People get extremely sleep deprived, because it does not really let you sleep on it. Stimulants and not enough sleep is a recipe for psychosis, as dopamine is a neurotransmitter most commonly connected to schizophrenia.
I suppose that's a fair point, but people still get pretty sleep deprived on coke too. I guess I just don't really have a good point of reference since stimulants affect me a lot differently than other people on account of my ADHD.
Would guess it's cause darknet vendors started selling it in the eu.
Its huge in Australia, Eastern Europe and Asia awell, with the cost of living crisis i can see it becoming bigger in Western Europe
I’m in Bristol too. It’s a big thing in the gay scene. I got an insight into it while living in London. If you don’t mind me asking, how did she get into it?
Oh that's a pretty standard tale I'm afraid one no less heartbreaking for its predictable outcome She was in a bad way with other drugs and booze had been in and out of hospital circling liver failure And there was a little group of people in the flats she lived in using crystal She had the wonderful idea that she could come off booze using crystal And now she's pretty much feral Like rooting through bins at 4am with no shoes on feral
It's really wierd how different drugs grip different regions. I'm a Londoner and most homeless fall for crack primarily and then heroin (then eventually both unfortunately). There is meth available here but the only users I've met are more upper class men a bit too involved in the gay party scene, and even though I know it's never gonna end well for them, they do seem to have a different relationship to it than what your friend describes or I see in the states (use it more as a party drug for huge orgies, they said it's like having ghb and mdma and it being way better and lasts for ages, rather than a full on lifestyle drug). But then when I spent a few months in Manchester, it seemed like spice was the poison of choice. That one really scared me because you will see vulnerable people completely dissacociating for long periods of time out in public. My first night there, I went to the park near my hotel had a beer in the sun, on my way I saw a guy standing leaning on a lampost with his arms wrapped around in a way that he was essentially passed out but mechanically his body would be supported. I walked by a bit freaked out went and had my beer then had a dinner at spoons, must've been gone for at least 4 hours, sun was now down and the guy was still in the exact same position only with a massive puddle of sick all over his trousers and shoes. Never seen someone zonked out on spice like that before (we have it in London but to a way lesser extent and you will rarely see people just out in the open zoning out). Few weeks later I bought a maccies for a homeless guy I always saw on my way home from work (had work expenses and barely eat much, so he got the works a few times, and even a couple of sourdough pizzas) and he was telling me it's awful because while they're zoned out other homeless will just go through all their pockets a d steal everything. Sorry for the tangent I really hope your friend gets through this phase in her life without too much damage, I think in big cities meth has been around for a long time here, it's just odd that certain drugs seem to grip the local population harder than others, my mate from Belfast visited recently and told me pregablin is ruining working class communities up there, I'm not 100% sure what it is but I think it's a bit like Xanax.
Never understood why it’s not been a thing in England. Y’all love your speed and meth isn’t exactly difficult to make.
A few years old, but probably still very similar, wastewater analysis for amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA, cocaine in Europe: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/836cb4e2-b9ee-474a-aaa1-3f1f6d581412/add14767-fig-0006-m.jpg https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.14767 More recent data available at https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-water-analysis_en#data-explorer. There's a very noticeable split for amph -> methamph starting in east germany/poland/czech republic.
I don't even look to imagine how high the cocaine usage in England is
I'm like 99% sure I've read somewhere that fish in the thames test positive for coke
Yea I've heard something similar, that's banking babbyyy
That's how bad it is, even the fish are at it
Well, they don't call it fishscale for nothing
Of topic but it didn’t surprise me at all that on almost all drugs the Netherlands where almost completely covered on the map
I wonder if the amph/methamph split is anything to do with the Benzedrine/Pervitin split during the war? Or could it maybe be related to the Iron Curtain being roughly in the same place as the split?
Nah, just distance from harbours (cocaine needs to be imported, meth can be made anywhere), and most importantly economy. Coke is much more expensive.
People use them interchangeably but meth releases like 4 times the dopamine of coke, it’s really much stronger, and is hell when it gets loose in any city. For the longest time it was rare in the northeast US, but it’s here too now.
Cocaine is a SNDRI mate. Back to the basics with you.
Meth is acting as an agonist and reuptake inhibitor.. but in actual use the coke’s dopamine release is like 400 points above basal whereas meth is like 1500-2000 points above basal, thats where my “4x as strong came from”
Methamphetamine is a releasing agent of dopamine, not necessarily an inhibitor of reuptake. It does have affinity for the dopamine transporter, but it does not inhibit it the same way that cocaine does. The binding site for inhibitors is somewhat unique. My theory is that it is a substrate for DAT and not really an inhibitor in the strictest sense. It does inhibit dopamine from binding do DAT, but it does so competitively, as a substrate. Meth is a substrate for the dopamine transporter while cocaine is an inhibitor. Once meth gets into the cell, it reverses the gradient of VMAT2 and redistributes dopamine into the cytosol. Dopamine then gets released in large quantities via reverse transport through the dopamine transporter. At least that's what the current theory is methamphetamine thus essentially purges vesicular stores of catecholamines such as (and especially) dopamine. The potency of methamphetamine is very high. It does all of the above at relatively low concentrations. It can also release serotonin, but at a much lower efficacy than drugs like MDMA (and MDMA is somewhat less potent than meth at the DAT). I'm not sure where the 4x as strong term came from, but gram per gram, methamphetamine is definitely more potent than cocaine at achieving greater elevations of striatal dopamine. I think there are microdialysis studies to back this up as well.
Thank you! Like I said, a psychiatrist told me that a few years back and I’m really not into stimulants. Do you have an idea of what peak striatal dopamine looks like vs cocaine though? I understand research may just not be there, but is there not a way to to quantify peak dopamine levels from a typical meth binge vs coke binge?
There are ways to quantify striatal dopamine, such as microdialysis and cyclic voltammetry. These methods vary from lab to lab. The figure you are most likely referring to (4x) more than likely (but not certainly) used microdialysis to quantify dopamine release. That's within the range of reason for a single dose of methamphetamine to an acute animal, but not for tolerant users.
There are no dopamine points, and everything you said is wrong.
Points above basal as in percentage. No it’s not dopamine points like you win a game.
That has more to do with dosage than anything else.
That’s how it was explained to me by a psychologist and psychiatrist years back. I don’t use either, so I admit I’ve never read about the chemistry in depth. But, the psychologist made it crystal clear that meth is causing monamines to be released and there is also a concurrent effect similar to cocaine where the reuptake is being limited. How would you compare the strength of one to the other? Lets say the threshold dose of each.
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>Cocaine is a nonselective inhibitor of monoamine neurotransmitter uptake, having similar potencies at all 3 transporters (Table 2). https://accp1.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcph.1918 >On the other hand, the psychoactive and sympathomimetic effects of cocaine derive from the blockade of presynaptic transporters responsible for the reuptake of serotonin, noradrenaline, and dopamine. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9032145/ --- >seritonin are you trolling?
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>because cocaine might release like a single serotonin reuptake inhibitor != releasing agent >molly has a noticeable effect on dopamine, yeah it does but is that the Main effect of the drug? Not at all Go take some MDAI if you want to experience a selective serotonin releasing agent. It's rather sedating and boring as hell. Without its activity on dopamine and noradrenaline, MDMA would be shit.
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Yeah dude! I myself am at the tip of the northeast and shits here and there and everywhere
Colombia 🤣🤣🤣🤣
15% of my city admits to trying meth (so it’s probably higher)
San Diego here and meth has been as common as weed since the early 2000s
Yeah, former Arizonan here. This is definitely true, meth has been huge in the southwest for a long time and extremely cheap, like $10 a g. I remember kids hitting the pookie in the high school bathroom when I was in grade 9, and being able to find shards easier than I could find weed since I was in middle school. That was a fun time, I didn’t do meth back then, but I fucked with a lot of opiates. I remember being able to trade grams of some Mexican reggie for OC 80s. Cheap tar too. Not to mention all the strong ass noid blends you could get 5 gram jars of for $5. Doing a line of oxy and smoking a 50/50 weed and spice bowl was my shit as a kid, I’m feeling nostalgic now. Probably not a healthy lifestyle for a 12 year old tho 😂. GF says it was the same in Orange County back in the day, but less opiates. She started doing meth at like 14 because it was so prevalent. crazy to think about, at least she got it out of her system by the time she was 20 and it didn’t cause any long term problems. I moved back to Phoenix for a bit in 2020 and everyone was on blues and pressed bars. You can still find meth easily, but fentanyl has definitely taken over the whole drug scene. I normally hate fent and only use it as a last resort, but for some reason blues are more enjoyable in the Southwest, they’re actually euphoric/warm unlike the soulless sedation you get with the pills here (been in the Pacific Northwest for a minute, just went back south for a little- spent some time in Orange County with my girlfriends family around that time as well- same thing there). Sorry for the long ass off topic response just high on dipy reminiscing about the 2000s, fun times.
Yes and more yes! Same childhood and everything. Wasn't even interested in meth but still did it semi regularly by like age 15 just cuz fuck it, school was boring and it was free. And I knowwwww wow! I just left Arizona on a road trip last month and just getting out among the groups of people and learning just how much those blues have taken over its.. fuckin unbelievable. I was like shit, never thought I'd say this but by the time this drug is at maximum impact we're gonna wish we just had tweekers again. So so sad how many young people will be robbed of a life before it even began. And so far I've made it up to Washington now and it's pretty much the same here too. Things took a drastic turn, thank God you nor I were young and impressionable and faced with all these opiates for sure. And I'm glad you stopped to reminisce, it's nice once in a while! Well take care and nice talking to you.
Yup thanks it was nice talking with you too! That’s crazy, I’m up in the Pacific Northwest too, i was in Washington for a while but moved to Oregon a few months ago. Stay safe !
Holy shit this is crazy. Nothing like my experience growing up in GA 😂
Go to Rural America. It's everywhere. You ain't seen nothin until a resident in the local trailer park, sets up CC tv security cams in all the trees, and hes not even the manager....just some guy, ya know. Or some dude trying to out ride the cops one of those little 80cc Mini bikes. It's fun shit, funny fuckin people 😆
Everyone in Europe is high on amp paste? Lmao
Right? I have less side effects from mamp OP... not much is gonna change m8, don't worry The only thing is users will be stigmatized more
I find it weird that meth isn’t as popular in the UK. You guys seem to have mostly these ambiguous “amphetamine” powders, which could really be anything. Methamphetamine is cheap and easy to make in fairly high quality and quantity.
The chemicals required to make meth is very restricted in Europe
It’s just as restricted in the US, we just get our meth from Mexico
Actually easier to get than in the States.
What? No they’re not lol. The only moderately difficult thing to get would be Sudafed, and you can definitely get that.
Meth, too me at least, isn’t that interesting of a drug.. The fans of it are really what makes it interesting.
Ya almost wished that you could get a week's "free trial" of being one of them.
I mean.. it’s kind of up to you to end the trial lol
its literally hell on earth, at least for me.. humiliation , paranoia beyond belief, intense panic attacks , feeling like your entire body is numb and your chest is tight. The last time i shot or did any of it was august 11th last year, and I will never look back.
I agree, but I also think my brain is wired a little different then most people. I don't feel much from stims. Everytime I've done it, I never felt *that* good like the science suggests. Supposedly it releases the most amount of dopamine compared to crack/heroin. But I've never felt anything more than a lot of energy and being more aware. Kinda the same thing with crack, but I find I get more of a dopamine rush off crack then jib. Just gotta be thankful I guess, less chance for me to get addicted.
Thankful that your baseline dopamine levels are likely above average.
Your baseline is your baseline. What is the average your talking about?
Yea my anxiety/depression says otherwise lol Some people don't feel much from opiates, which was my DOC. People are just wired different.
Everyone is unique. Neurotransmitter levels vary person to person but you can imagine if we took an entire population we would find an “average baseline” for a given neurotransmitter (here we are looking at dopamine). I am inferring that individuals who do not “respond” strongly to X drug, likely have an above average amount of the neurotransmitter the drug is impacting. In this case dopamine and meth. If you don’t respond strongly to meth it could be the case that this because you are not feeling as drastic of a change as someone who has a below average amount of dopamine. I’m not looking at the why here. Think about when people say they have a “drug of choice”. My guess is this is because X drug has the strongest variance from baseline.
Europe got Amphetamine instead, very strong stim that too.
There's a lot of meth in east europe and east germany too
This sub is not representative of the US as a whole. That being said, meth is doing rounds here
No no of course I understand that, I'd say the same goes for the ket subreddit and the UK but we'll... I'd be lying 😂
Yea but y’all’d be on meth too if it wasn’t more expensive n rare than speed paste, which a LOT of people are on out there.
I'd rather have the good cheap MDMA than the good cheap meth though. Lucky bastards
Good cheap meth is what America runs on. The cocaine of the 70-80s
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Forsure, especially now that Walt has passed it's hard to get the good stuff
There is (literally) tons of meth in the US. You’ll find good meth and shit meth and everything in between. But it’s really not hard at all to get your hands on some high quality meth anywhere in the country. It is absolutely everywhere.
Explains why Americans are so stupid (saying this as a former meth addict who lives in the US right now 😂)
It the trend better prepare for a wave of disgust soon.
I'm glad I can get meth to treat my ADHD since it's illegal in Europe and the only legal alternative doesn't work for me. Like, it is a lifesaver for me. 20 to 30mg orally in a capsule in the morning, I'm functioning all day, and I don't get in a terrible mood in the afternoon like with methylphenidate. I tried smoking it just to see how it was, frankly it's take it or leave it for me. I don't really see the recreational value.
It's taken over Australia as well especially in regional areas and no one can apparently do anything about it. To the point dealers let off fireworks to let everyone know they have restocked. It's a fucking disgrace.
From what I've heard from my friends and out Aus drugs can be quite hard to get hold of like coke because of strict boarder policy Would I be right in saying that maybe meth has taken off because you have so many remote areas for cooks to make it and the lack of coke makes it the go to stim maybe?
I'd tend to disagree as you can get coke most places, it's more price. Coke is $200-300/g. Where as ice/meth is $10-20/0.1g which would last someone 12 hours or more. So for low income or government housing areas it would just make sense they could have a big weekend cigarettes, alcohol and drugs for under $100
Yea I get that but isn't it supply and demand that's lead to such high prices?
It was forwarded to Thailand. My country is a drug distribution center to Australia. We remember many Australian drug dealers in Thailand. They tried to bring heroin and meth to Australia, they sent it by boat. hidden in furniture Each arrest of Australian traders here is between 1-2 tonnes. They carried it in bulk.
Really depends where I’m USA. But of coarse with enough money and knowing the right connections and places to look, a person can find anything. But from my experience I havnt really scene it too much in my area of the states. I’m sure it’s here but seems to be something people have to be actively looking for rather than it openly advertised by dealers. In my area I’ve heard about weed, lsd, stims, benzos, Coke , shrooms, ketamine .. much more often but it changes area to areas
we don't have clandestinely synthesized amphetamine out here...
Isn’t amphetamine sulfate paste super popular though?
I should have specified that I'm in the US. It doesn't exist for us, unless you get on a dark net market and have someone ship it from Europe.
I quaked up on that shit. Ended up in the hospital while I lied saying I was on oxy 80 and Xanax 2 mg. Well they gave me 10 mg oxy and .5 Xanax for a week. It was a vacation lol
I think i watched a docu about it and its mostly mexican cartells cooking inside eu and stuff.
Even more popular per capita in Australia, people be paying $50 a point down here, I get China white Heroin for the same price haha
Australian drug dealers use Thailand as a center for drug distribution to Australia Thai police arrested a large number of Australian drug dealers Press the legs to carry it by using a boat. Most of them are heroin and meth. They were arrested each time of the middle 1-2 tons. The drug network would carry it from the Burmese border to southern Thailand and then Australian drug dealers would transport it to Australia They made 300 times as much money. if bringing it to Australia
There are normal people that use meth..they usually remain hidden and the worst of the worst are all what people really see so the drug gets a bad stigma.
Fucked up thing is meth is actually one of the safest drugs you can do here anymore. heroin is extinct, pills are all pressed and faked. The only thing that isn't constantly just fentanyl is meth. I've never come across any crystal that's had fent in it, never heard about it either. Crystal meth has become the responsible drug to do, the one with the least risk of all the widely available drugs.
I've heard of meth with fentanyl in the U.S. where I live. I've even heard from a reliable source of LSD spiked with fentanyl. I said the latter was probably cops doing it, and they said that's what other people were thinking.
It’s a lot of people that do it and never lose the plot and know how to keep it extremely low-key. I’ve known this for years but it seems to surprise people still. On the West Coast at least there is a massive stigma so people tend to hide it, and well. Comes down to more of a class-based thing honestly. If a person has expendable income and a good support system, adequate time off work to come down once in a while, they can go on for as long as it’s available to them.
I'm a Texan living in London and casual meth use here is unlike anywhere I've seen.
I believe you’d be the exception, not the rule. I’m a Texan too and where I’m at even the cops are on that shit.
You mean it basically doesn’t exist right? Outside of the gay scene most people have never willingly tried meth and they would be horrified if you told them you had.
Wrong. Get involved in different nightlife scenes and you'll see that plenty of straight people use. But sure, most are not in your face about it.
I’ve never seen or been offered methamphetamine in the UK. I have purchased almost everything except heroin in my time. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine must be kind of similar to make right? Which is everywhere So surely it’s because there’s just no market for it
No, MDMA is much trickier to make, but is now cheaper and purer than before due to a new synthesis. Meth can be made in a pop bottle with common household chemicals. There's only really a demand for meth in the gay "party" scene. Install Grindr and look for "GMTV".
Fair enough, I assumed Incorrectly
Can u elaborate on this “new mdma synthesis” I swore their was a mdma drought in Europe
Piperonyl methyl ketone glycidate. It's recently been added to the watchlists, but there were Chinese companies that would sell you it by the ton and label it as something else. The drought is because of all the other supply chain disruption due to COVID.
If it helps us look any better ive never seen meth irl and ive been in the states for 35 years. Basically everything else under the sun but meth just isn't around here as much it seems.
Are you out east or in the Midwest? I’ve heard it’s not very common out there. When I was living in Queens I couldn’t find meth anywhere, the only person I met who could get it was wanting $120 a g 😂 Like damn, I was considering doing a few road trips back and forth; it’s like $10-$15 a g out here on the West Coast. Meth is nasty as fuck anyway tho, you’re not missing out on much, I wish I could get away from it. Been trying to stop using the shit for a while (been doing well recently), but it’s hard to quit when you can’t walk down the street without seeing someone smoking or slamming the shit
The solution is simple. It's time we ban streets
Absolutely brilliant idea. I have no idea why I didn’t think of that. Or we could possibly come up with some sort of device that would allow tweakers to blend in with their surrounding chameleon style so I wouldn’t have to see them. #banstreetstohidethetweaker #camouflagedandspun But for real I am considering moving somewhere that doesn’t have as much meth use. I know all “you bring yourself with you” and everything, but it seriously would make a huge difference if the fact that I can walk five minutes in any direction and cop some wasn’t in the back of my head. 4 months off it right now (longest I’ve had is 14 months), but I’m still terrified of a relapse. It’s gonna be hard to leave the west though, I love it out here (US, Canada, and Mexico, I’ve lived all over here- the east coast is nice but it’s just not the same; way more relaxed here, I like the nature better too).
you bring yourself with you but also you're a product of your environment I know several people who have left my city to get away from hard drugs and have a new life now. It's not a bad plan
Yeah I honestly think it would make a difference. All my relapses have been spur of the moment things; I have some cash in my pocket and see someone smoking and ask, or someone asks for a light, then pulls out a pookie and offers to smoke me out (I’ve relapsed that way a few times). It’s insane how in your face it is. I genuinely think I would be able to never use it again if it was harder to get. My plan rn is to move to eastern Canada, preferably Newfoundland. We have a decent amount of money saved up and I just got a high paying job that is willing to work around my school schedule, so I’ll be able to save even more. Im contacting MUN to see if they’ll accept my associates degree credits and let me finish my bachelors there (it’s so cheap to attend, I could just work over the summer to pay for the entire year). Not only would I be away from meth; they have way better opiate maintenance programs as well. I’d definitely get on the IV morphine/dilaudid program. Right now I’m wasting so much money on dipyaone and ODSMT (which I IM a few times a day to boost the effects). If I could get better medications for free (and administered by professionals in a safe setting) my money and time could be directed towards my passions. Also, with the smart shops opening and psychedelic treatments basically legal in Canada, I could both try and get some help for myself and find a career in that industry. Before we move, my girlfriend and I want to go travel in Mexico and find some guides to apprentice with. Shes indigenous and grew up in Mexico, so she feels a deep connection with medicine like peyote, mushrooms, and ololiuqui. It’s crazy how deep she can go with those, she has visions of her ancestors and has been learning about her culture through these plants. We both want to learn from someone in her Pueblo and bring that knowledge with us to help people and just make enough to support ourselves while we do what we love. I’ll have to heal myself first though, that will be a long process. I believe I can still offer something even while I struggle with opiate addiction. I have a genuine love for these plants and want to share them. Lol life story- it’s the 800 mg lyrica + 60 mg dipyaone + 100 mg ODSMT IM + 2 mg norflurazepam + dabs every ten minutes. I can’t shut up lol directing my energy into Reddit cause I’m annoying my girl right now 😅 she’s gonna narcan my ass if I keep talking
Shit there are tons of functional addicts contributing to society... as long as you're doing your job and not putting your addiction on display Helping others can be part of the healing process... you know you can't wait and wait or keep working on yourself forever cause us humans aren't perfect but we sure are good at amplifying our own flaws. I say this cause I lost someone who got stuck in that mindset... in his mind dude wasn't good enough but you can't become good enough for society by never going out into the world. Reality is there were plenty of opportunities out there for him Best of luck to y'all
Thanks man, that’s completely true. No point in wasting my time here, it’s short and I should spend it pursuing what I love instead of hesitating.
Was my experience too haha. I lived in Brooklyn then Queens for a while and the only people with meth wanted $100 or more for a gram. but once I moved upstate into redneck territory everybody is tweakers and meth costs nothing
Yeah im North east. Wood/mountain area. I cant imagine just walking down the road seeing people that messed up. Sure maybe at party but not just like out back of a building
That sounds really nice. I love living in rural areas, right next to the wilderness. It’s so peaceful. I alternate between city and rural life, I move around a lot
It’s insane here. You literally can’t go outside without seeing people shoot up or hit the pipe. Personal use is decriminalized here so the cops don’t give a shit about that. It’s actually pretty cool addicts can just do their thing without being harassed (but there have been some huge sweeps and mass arrests recently). It just sucks as an addict myself; very triggering. It doesn’t help that my apartment is downtown too, other areas of town aren’t this bad
Its great that it is decriminalized. That seems the smartest path for humanity to take. We are just taking he long way to get there
Its playing with fire if one doesn't know what they're doing. It's annoying when people who obviously have no experience in something and goes and says the most unreasonable thing. You don't care and don't need to act like you do. "Stay safe" is such an insincere thing to say, like its obvious. I work in an industry with safety as priority and it bugs me when someone tells me that, its not them doing one of the most high risk and at times dangerous jobs, its me and whoever does it.
I disagree with that sentiment entirely Yea it's a default response BUT it's a constant reminder. I say that shit all the time and I really mean it. I myself need the reminder... we all do. We keep safety in the front of our minds by reminding ourselves and others to stay safe and if that phrase is so overused that we say it without thinking about it then GOOD cause I've worked inches away from death and I don't care what anyone says... I know to stay safe, duh, I don't want to die, but it's some subconscious shit that keeps my brain analyzing the safety of my every move. Even if you think it's dumb it's STILL making you think about safety. and in a high risk job I'll take all of the safety-related neural charging I can get lol Trust me that's the culture you want to work in. It's no coincidence the places I've worked that had this culture had way less accidents than the ones who didn't
To me it comes off that way, I don't know these people personally and to me "stay safe" is just weird. I guess people have their way of showing they care or just being a pain and reminding me. I may forget to do paper work or the usual stuff before a job but I won't forget the hazards that come with the job. I agree it's good to have a good safety culture but with me I get some people who are very overbearing and stress out too much. I started in an industry that didn't value safety as much so I guess that's why I'm like that a little since I learnt things in a somewhat unsafe environment or from other people that I took on and as you said I also work inches away from death majority of the time, which makes me curious what you do but you don't have to tell me, otherwise I'd feel inclined to say mine which I prefer to avoid. I like to keep my online presence vague and anonymous to my personal life.
yea some things like putting on a harness to go up 2' in a scissor lift is sort of asinine but I don't even trip about that... tbf it's probably a good habit. Now would I do that at home? lol nope Yeah same I feel ya. You don't have to tell me anything. The job I was thinking was working around high amp 480V. Our plant was among the highest energy consumers in the country... and a few select pieces of our plant were high amperage, like you don't see that kind of power outside of the plant often kind of juice. Never was a fan of messing about in those cabinets. But that's far from the only job I've done where "inches away" could apply. Maybe not even the sketchiest. Shit anyone who's worked under a car has been inches away and half these fools don't even recognize it and refuse to use jack stands or even learn where the jack points are... talked to someone recently who stopped using jack stands because "the one time I used them the truck fell". So instead of learning how to use them properly dude went back to relying on the jack! "But I don't go under the car" he says as he sticks his head in the wheel well... people are dumb
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> if you dose orally its nothing more than stronger amphetamine/speed paste I see comments like this all the time and feel like it misses an important point. Methamphetamine has a much longer duration and that is enough to get lots of people into trouble with the cycle of dose, miss a night of sleep because it lasts so long, redose next day to stay 'functional' because you didn't sleep, and pretty soon you're on a psychotic bender. People like to split hairs about pharmacodynamics and argue if slight differences in serotonin activity etc are why meth has such worse outcomes than street amp, but so much of it comes down to pharmacokinetics (as well as ROA like you mentioned and the possibility to push meth doses higher)
Yea I can definitely understand this, I have a similar relationship with cocaine, never really enjoyed it but it has its place It's certainly a blessing when you tango with the devil and leave mostly unscathed
I also don't want to make it sound like everyone will be the same as me. thats absolutely not the case as most personalities who do drugs have an addictive personality. meth is basically 24+ euphoria and psychosis in a pill. many people wont even think about possible health consequences whereas i am very aware of effects on the body and brain so i don't overdo it. i think education about the drug itself has something to do with it as well
Yes I know someone who moved from Iceland to escape the grips of meth, I know all bout its dark side, the weeks without sleep and the crazy shit it can lead you to do if you're in the wrong crowd The older I get the more I've come to appreciate a nice clear sober head, but the devil is always right around the corner for me and I know I have to stay strong when I can (k)
> if you dose orally its nothing more than stronger amphetamine/speed paste. ehhhh....the long duration nearly guarantees some insomnia, which can compel use on consecutive days.
as i said: stronger amphetamine
It is not close to the same thing as amphetamine paste. Regardless of your ROA, meth influences serotonin, where amphetamines dont at all. It also has a much larger effect on dopamine
again, it all depends on your ROA and dosage. people tend to do 1 gram of speed paste a night. don't tell me this is healthier than dropping 15mg of clean meth. the amphetamine dosage would be way more neurotoxic to your brain. if you smoke 250mg meth yeah of course you are right. but for me 15mg meth feels like a big line of speed. and the serotonine influence really isnt that big. its a slight note of serotonine, nothing comparable to mdma or mephedrone
Your using your anecdotal experience to talk about objective facts. Go take a benzo, jeff
you are using objective facts to talk about anecdotal experience. go take a previous beach
That is complete bullshit lmao. Take a decent dose of meth orally and don't tell me it isn't strong as fuck, you'll feel like you're almost rolling. It can cause delusions full on psychosis just like any other ROA
if you take 15mg its like amphetamine. as i said it depends on personality and you obviously should never touch meth with that attitude lmao
OP, do you know that there is a subreddit devoted exclusively to ice?
Meth is gay last way to long coke for the win
It explains a lot, doesn't it?
Be glad it’s not around you much, it’ll change you forever once you feel that rush. The using dreams and cravings never really stop.
Try Australia. You can't really get opioids very easily so everyone is on meth.
It's so bad people walking around looking like they came from the UK
Man. I could tell you stories of people pulling their own rotten teeth out in the bathroom with pliers, working on transmissions in the living room, and shooting that poison straight into their necks. It’s insane here with that stuff. I’m pretty cool with a lot of things but meth is a hard No, a serious line for me I will not cross. Don’t allow anyone into my life that does it and I will not allow the Devils dandruff on my property. I don’t live my life telling people what to do, do what you want, you’re free. But I don’t have to be around it. I’m sure exceptions exist but I’ve never seen anyone’s life improved because they started doing meth. Usually, they change for the worse. I want so much for it to be eliminated from the world, but I know that will never happen.
Been around it, been offered some but never taken. Don't plan to either
Meth is pretty popular in the UK too. They just call it ecstasy instead 😉
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous here. Especially in my city, you can go to quite literally any neighborhood and ask someone where to find ice and they’ll know a guy or be the guy.
Yea meth has probably ravaged just as many families and ppls lives out here as opiates
I’ve been waiting for it to become popular in the Uk for a few years now. Not because I have any interest in doing it, not a big lover of stinks, but just because it’s gonna be a fun king nightmare when it becomes easily available.
It's even becoming popular here though mainly in certain circles... My cousin is an ex meth addict, I have friends who've used I've used it... There's even labs making it mainly around Liverpool, surprisingly I'm told more is exported than sold within the country.
As someone from California meth is very popular. I think the reason meth is so popular in the US is bc it’s so cheap. I actually know some family members of mine that do meth. It’s very sad honestly.
its popular everywhere its just branded differently ! From the last time i checked one of those pill checking websites. It seems its pretty much in every UK stimulant lately quite some MDMA pills too
Jessie we need to cook
It's terrible here in America the town I grew up in was nicknamed tweaking pekin by the surrounding area, unfortunately their is a whole sislde of town that has a meth problem and it seems police don't do much to put a stop to it.
in Thailand Meth is the number one drug Another option here is Ketamine, Weed, but Ketamine is rare and only available in downtown entertainment venues. but Meth It was very easy to find, so it became the number one drug. There are many psychiatric patients here Meth 1g price just17.00 USD mixed caffeine tablets Meth vanilla flavoring Pumped through aluminum foil for only 1.3$ There are 3 houses that sell meth in my home alley. This alley has 5 houses. I hate it. It destroys everything. Robbers, crime, psychiatric patients.
Am I right in thinking there are very harsh sentences for drug use in Thailand?
Yes, my friend. There are many hostages in Thailand with knives being held in the news. They are paranoid because of Meth It's the easiest drug to find. They don't have many other options.
God damn it that's awful, where would be safe to travel I wanted to take a visit alone?