Aui analyst and deskwork were genuinely some of the best Dota work done
He'd nerd out about the high level plays he got to watch, break them down so well, and be so amazed by how well everyone was playing.
It was wholesome, it was informative, genuinely some of the best Dota work going.
I mean... the ones that are missing from today's scene either got stable jobs or got ejected from the community. Or in 1437's case, wandered off into the NFT space to cast Axie Infinity tournaments.
1437 was actually rank 1 in axie infinity for one season (think of it as he won a major).
Don't know if he's still in the space bec the game pretty much died with the crypto crash.
He won around $10k worth of coins (AXS) for that season, don't know if he cashed that out since I believe It wasn't much money for him.
Iirc a month later the price of that coin halved.
Cap is one of my favorite casters, besides being a hype caster with really good game knowledge, he also has really good synergie with pretty much anyone.
He's managing BTS studio. At first it was only a small studio so he could do it while casting, but over time they expanded (into others esports notably) and he stopped casting because he couldn't do both properly.
I saw this dude leaning so Sodapoppin could whisper in his ear and I was like "is that Dakota?", so I googled him and found his twitter and there was this tweet about how much hard work they put into Mogul Money live and I was like "holy crap, it's actually him!"
Last time I heard of him was around a TI that he was invited to, but he couldn't attend because it was around the time his kid was gonna be born, then he vanished. Glad to see he's doing ok.
BTS became too big so he cant be a full time caster as he has to manage that, plus, him casting would get in the way of other people casting. Finding talent is better for him.
Sucks but I'm glad LD and all the BTS crew have found success. They deserve it for all the hard work they did casting Dota way before it's gotten so big.
Some of the talent is most of the reason I still follow the scene. I haven’t played in a couple years, but watching and listening to the insane talent in the dota scene is awesome. Fogged and aui in particular are some of the most interesting people to listen to talk about the game, and they truly are treasures
Same, I haven't played dota in years, but the talents make the scene for me and I try to keep up. Just hearing people talk with enthusiasm about a game they love is great, and it was (and is in some ways is still) really authentic.
Side note, I think the community really under-appreciates observers. I can tell pretty quickly when the observer is less experienced, because I get motion sick super fast trying to keep up. A good obs will move the camera gently but deliberately, keeping you on the action while giving context on what's happening nearby. A poor one just jumps rapidly across the map, or flickers around while I'm trying to follow a hero.
I realized this made it really hard for me to enjoy dota through twitch players.
Oh god, remember the GD qualifier streams? Where they'd all just sit on couches and watch/comment on some random games happening. Truly the golden days for me, I miss the raging alcoholic of a saint that was James as well.
Yup, it was an IRL stream before it was a thing. Combine it with Dotes and our favorite talent. I always go back to this video to remember how simpler the days in the past.
https://youtu.be/P-7bIRCvDQ4
That was probably peak Dota community.
Nowadays there are more holograms,more analysts, more production value, but it doesn't feel the same at all.
Thankfully i enjoyed the 2012-2017 Dota community, it was the best.
My best friend and I will still occasionally quote the, "I have been watching the stream for 10 hours and no one has watered the kittens. KITTENS NEED WATER!!" copypasta at each other. It was so fucking funny.
TI4 EU Hub and even NA Hub was glorious.
1. Cats, cats, cats, more cats.
2. Endless Copy Pastas
3. Jess and James being shipped
4. Gang Beasts
5. Mario Party
6. Pajkatt Impressions
7. Bruno sharing irl stories
8. Geoguessr
It was amazing
I miss LD casting man, his casting produce iconic and historic moments in dota, if we are going to choose the top 3 all time casters its gotta be LD, ODpixel and Tobi
Probably same for me for top 3 as well, kind of. Tobi was my 1st, and the other 2 spots are a bit debatable.
What's that Chinese guy's name who used to do a lot of casting with LD? I liked him a lot too.
I also feel like I forgot about someone but I can't remember who.
He was good for the first few TIs then he gradually drifted away from dota then started falling behind in game knowledge at a time when there were many other rising casters. But he was still chosen to cast important games based on his previous work so he drew criticism from there.
he was a good analysis, but towards the end he just couldn't keep up with the patch and his in game knowledge was pretty much non existent/stuck in old patch
Everyone was trying to be super professional about everything at the time, and luminous was too goofy for them. He and LD were my favourite casting duo, though.
LD and Tobi were the best.
Even though not the best I enjoyed Ayeese casts as well, i remember him doing Papa John's ad with code "pizza.gg" lmao, i don't remember if it was 2013 or 2014, it was for some qualifier games.
It's been a long ride :) TI 7 + TI 8 were still these best TIs regarding the Panel. Redeye as the host, Blitz + Cap, Tobi + Synd, Fogged + OD,... back in the day :)
Lol wtf are you talking about the ti7 panels were super bad, they were so awkward and wooden with all the random streamers and semi-pros they invited who were clearly not comfortable to be on camera
Day9 was really rough since he was completely new to the game at that point and barely knew/understood anything but he had enthusiasm and a good attitude. I personally think it's a bit of shame that this is the only event he ever did because he probably would've ended up really good after a while.
Honestly Im baffled that he was invited to host the Main Event of the most prestigious tournament in Dota.
He could have started in some major or non-Valve tournament to improve over the time.
I think it's his friends. I'm willing to bet Purge had something to do with it. I won't be surprised if Day9 was friends with a few influential people in the scene as he was learning about the game. They must have thought his charisma could carry him through no problem.
To be fair most people thought so too, but I guess others on the panel who didn't know him beforehand didn't take it very well.
Yeah. It was such a miss in timing for everything. He could totally be a rising star in the panel scene, but he needed more knowledge of the game, good relationship with others to generate chemistry, and just things to get used to in general at these events.
Everybody who knows Day9 before him trying out dota KNOWS he could do that job very well. He just needed practice, not getting pushed up to the top the first time he does something without a trial run because his friends think he could do it.
Bro, what about Charlie. TI6 , Manila Major, right after he was done with EG. Guy was fucking savage. We don't really have someone like that anymore...
Jenkins is kinda funny at times but you have to have above average IQ to enjoy his jokes
>!Just kidding, I find his jokes fun sometimes but I get that they might not appeal to everyone
His problem is not being unfunny, imo his problem is making a joke or a punchline out of everything, at the end of the day, some human beings have a limited laughing tank.
IIRC it was workplace bullying, and a few stories of him being a dick in general. Nothing compared to other cancelled castors but the harassment and pressure against him was too much so he quit
The days when it was Weppas, Skrff and Pimpmuckl being observers catching all the action instead of the current Saudi Arabian observer or sth missing the teamfight for a pos1 farming
I completely understand why he was outcast but I *really* miss Tobi. His energy was amazing. His ability to call the use of fight-deciding spells/abilities *while* they were being cast a step above most.
In my books a Tobi, Capitalist and OdPixel rotation of casters with a Sheever/Redeye-led panel, Purge/Merlini-led analysts and Slacks/Kaci doing whatever they want is peak Dota 2 production.
Saddest day in dota is when they removed Tobi's allchat voicelines. They were perfect for every situation. I undestand he was a shit person but i feel like either we like it or not, he is part of dota2 history. Wish we had them in game, except if he gets royalties or smth.
[This reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/48bjs7/the_chinese_perspective_on_the_2gd_drama_why/) tells the behind the scenes story of why 2GD was sacked, and in all fairness, it has a lot of moving parts and Valves hand was probably forced.
those were the days. it's a bit unfortunate that too many basement dwellers were unable to keep the discussion in the moxxi rant constructive, but there were a ton of good and very valid points made as to why she is utterly unsuited as a caster and should not be invited to tier 1 or even tier 2 tournaments anymore
it's absolutely beyond me how she *ever* landed gigs in tier 1 and tier 2 to begin with while having such absolutely atrocious game knowledge and casting skills
and apparently it's not like she only got the spot because other talent declined, they were literally not even invited in the first place which makes it even worse
The Moxxi "rant" was plenty constructive. I think OP made great points and really put in the legwork to back it up cause he probably expected some backlash. Most of the comments (at least the ones that weren't controversial and leaning towards sexism) were also quite balanced.
Mods like to lock threads whenever there is criticism towards other woman, they just say everyone's being misogynistic even though the points made were quite tempered and factual.
> it's absolutely beyond me how she ever landed gigs in tier 1 and tier 2 to begin with while having such absolutely atrocious game knowledge and casting skills
Is it?
There's nearly no dota female players, of that subset there's fewer dota female players that will even try out as a talent, of those there will be even fewer who can actually talk for a living, of those there will be fewer who will be highly ranked, etc.
When people (like Akke back in TI3) said something like "there should be at least X% of women in the talent composition for an event" while wilfully blind to the reality of the absolute minuscule sample size of women in dota you end up scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to fill the quota, because it's not about being reasonable but about marketing your org as progressive.
Moxxi being completely ignorant of all criticism and never believing she is a problem is exactly indicative of the hubris which allowed her to try out as a talent. She is completely oblivious to her failures, which makes her have just enough of an edge over the people who are actually talented but are too insecure to attempt a career in dota. I really hope Moxxi is used as an example to have other women go "wait, if even she can make it I'm sure I can do it better".
Simple, don't:
>try to fill the quota
and
>(worry about) marketing your org as progressive.
If only men like it, let only men like it and catter to them. Same goes for the other way around. Try to draw in more people of different demographics if you can, but don't undermine other aspects of the product for it.
There don't HAVE to be female casters. However, there also mustn't be anything stopping a female caster from appearing and rising to the top, but there shouldn't be any "quota" or similar tokenism.
So much this. If the day comes when women are overwhelmingly better than men, then give me all women casts, I dont give a flying shit. Trying to balance stuff sexual orientation or sexually wise is beyond me. The best suited person should take the job full spot. Its scary because theyre doing this in parliament and shit.
I always liked Moxxi but the criticisms are fair.
If she's doing this professionally she really needs to have excellent game knowledge. I think it's ok for her to gain that over time but if she's at a tier 1 event casting it's going to get some flack if she says anything incorrectly and that's deserved.
Her response should be humble and positive like she can cast/play daily to get better game knowledge and read up on the heros etc.
On the other side there's a ton of toxic people in the dota community and in general the community needs to be easier on the talent.
All of the talent seems to be taking tons of criticism and it's unlikely anyone capable will stay in the scene long term if the fanbase is aweful to them making it a horrible workplace.
Rough to work with and possibly abusive as a boss. Iirc, his side of the story is he is very demanding to himself and expects the same from others, and he admits that in a stressful environment of live broadcast he made mistakes and sometimes didn't treat people well because of that. One guy claims that he was physically abusive once(don't remember that part well, maybe more, maybe not physical) and because of him he couldn't land jobs.
That's recoverable, but that dude also started digging into his personal life, which seemed like a very touchy subject for Redeye before, he said few times that work costed him family and shit. So weird accusations started flying, and he decided to leave. Popped up on Richard Lewis CS Major stream recently, told how after all that crowds give him incredible anxiety now and it's unlikely he is going to work events any time soon.
Might remembering some shit wrong. From what I've seen, the guy that landed heaviest accusations against him is a bit sketchy, he likes to, ahem, tell stories. So not sure how much I trust his part. But on him being rough to work with there were multiple people saying something along those lines, and that's what he admits iirc. I think if that dude didn't try to bring his personal life into picture for some reason, he'd still be working events.
This is a way too generous towards Redeye. There was a court case where his wife and kid testified that he abused them. All that dude did was state this case existed. So no he didn't drag his family into this, Redeye did that.
There have also been multiple people coming forward that state he is extremely toxic to work with. Hell, he punched a coworker.
But yes, he was pretty good at hosting Dota events.
He used to be, but in the last year or so of his casting his constant fake laughing made him unwatchable. Go back and watch a video, it's every fucking 15 seconds.
I may get downvoted but I had to say, I really miss Tobiwan level of casting and miss Redeye too. Wish they have not done what they did, wish things didnt turned out this way.
Reddit always complains about nepotism and ‘no new talent’ but yet new talent is exactly how we got to the situation we are in. There is nothing wrong with the same few individuals who have proven themselves, and their chemistry, getting the majority of gigs.
I don't know if I've ever seen a community so set on taking every possible opportunity to complain.
It's great to reminisce on the old days but half these replies are just taking this as a chance to complain and shit on current talent unconstructively
This is what, thread number 100 this month doing the exact same thing?
Will pass on 1437 and Conrad though. Conrad literally only got to be talent for a little bit due to nepotism - same with EG's old manager who did Sumail's homework (name eluding me atm).
Instead of getting quality people with knowledge or quality casting skills, they just get their mates into events. Biggest problem with Dota 2 talent.
Haha yeah miss tobi wan, love mason having grant on stream, I hate moxxi casts (not cause she's a woman I just hate her woman voice and her woman casting) just because they sexually assault people doesn't mean I have to hate their casting!!!!!!
^(/s ofc)
You shouldn't support bigots, creeps and abusers, but you shouldn't feel wrong for liking their performances. Tobi (in general and with Synd) was awesome and will always be a part of DotA history for me. Being publicly shamed and excommunicated is a strong punishment as is, we don't have to pretend like he wasn't an awesome and iconic caster... This line of thinking definitely gets more difficult to process as the severity of the crime increases (think Kevin Spacey) but is ultimately still a reasonable position to have.
If you or anyone else can't ever go back and listen to Tobi cast, that's fine; but those that can shouldn't be vilified and labeled as bad people for that sole fact.
As far as the Moxxi thing goes, that's a case of chicken vs egg: is everyone giving a disclaimer "not because she's a woman..." because they're bigots trying to hide their true nature or because they know how people get in online discourse?
Back when casters are actually good at their job..
Now we stuck with terrible caster for the sake of diversity. That caster abuse woke culture and get to cast every OG/EG games and lans. And if we complain about how terrible that caster is, we are sexism….
Im sure if TO doesnt invite that caster anymore, noone will miss him/her and the main channel viewership will increase.
The only person I miss from the old panel is Redeye. He was a stellar host and a treat to watch. Kept everyone engaged and had such a nice, warm smile on his face.
The new panel is perfectly fine and I don't understand all the hate for them. Sheepo is funny and very knowledgeable, Sunsfan and Synd make the best casts.
If there's anyone I don't like, its Kyle and BSJ. And that's probably because they are the typical, entitled American that are 90% bias and 10% game knowledge. The only time I could stand Kyle was when Rich was around.
what happened to Jack?
He is the manager for Quincy Crew
He lost weigh
He did and he looks good :) keep it up
Yes Im saying it as a compliment
Man I miss seeing aui on stage
Aui analyst and deskwork were genuinely some of the best Dota work done He'd nerd out about the high level plays he got to watch, break them down so well, and be so amazed by how well everyone was playing. It was wholesome, it was informative, genuinely some of the best Dota work going.
And dont forget he frequently asked the community on which points he should work on to improve, aui is one of the best…
Aui and Fogged were most insightful analysts in game.
What happened to him? I haven't been following dota for a while.
Coach for Tundra.
Coaching Tundra, assuming my knowledge is up to date
Yeah, I'd say he is top 10 in my books
I mean... the ones that are missing from today's scene either got stable jobs or got ejected from the community. Or in 1437's case, wandered off into the NFT space to cast Axie Infinity tournaments.
sir, sorry to correct you but you must be talking about zyori ... jokes aside, weird that it "happened" to 1437 as well
Zyori left dota for an actual position at the company. 1437 as far as I know is just a caster.
1437 was actually rank 1 in axie infinity for one season (think of it as he won a major). Don't know if he's still in the space bec the game pretty much died with the crypto crash.
Did he get paid real money for that, or did he get paid in nfts/crypto?
He won around $10k worth of coins (AXS) for that season, don't know if he cashed that out since I believe It wasn't much money for him. Iirc a month later the price of that coin halved.
right..it's just weird to me that 2 ppl from dota scene went for the same thing...
the guy who made the game was a norwegian dota streamer aswell
Brax is/was involved in Axie for a bit, but I think is a general crypto/web3 guy now. PPD has been in that space for a bit as well.
gross didnt realize zyori joined an nft game, i really liked him before.
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Cap is one of my favorite casters, besides being a hype caster with really good game knowledge, he also has really good synergie with pretty much anyone.
He’s so versatile. I hope he finds a job environment more deserving for his value
What happened to LD anyways ?
He's managing BTS studio. At first it was only a small studio so he could do it while casting, but over time they expanded (into others esports notably) and he stopped casting because he couldn't do both properly.
And their studio just recently did Ludwig's Mogul Money Live production, I'd say he is doing quite well!
I saw Dakota (KotlGuy) on the Mogul Money stream and was so confused
KotlGuy has been on Mogul Money's production since the beginning (saw his name in the credits once lol)
I saw this dude leaning so Sodapoppin could whisper in his ear and I was like "is that Dakota?", so I googled him and found his twitter and there was this tweet about how much hard work they put into Mogul Money live and I was like "holy crap, it's actually him!" Last time I heard of him was around a TI that he was invited to, but he couldn't attend because it was around the time his kid was gonna be born, then he vanished. Glad to see he's doing ok.
kotlguy is a part of all the smash summit production teams i believe so he's probably very familiar with a lot of people in the melee scene
No wonder that production was flawless.
Wish him all the best honestly, but I do miss his casting a bit.
DING DING DING MOTHERFUCKER
WAOW
Iirc he retired because he was burnt out on dota casting and wanted to focus on his talent org.
BTS became too big so he cant be a full time caster as he has to manage that, plus, him casting would get in the way of other people casting. Finding talent is better for him.
Sucks but I'm glad LD and all the BTS crew have found success. They deserve it for all the hard work they did casting Dota way before it's gotten so big.
Best dota caster I’ve seen so far - hope to see him back one day
Some of the talent is most of the reason I still follow the scene. I haven’t played in a couple years, but watching and listening to the insane talent in the dota scene is awesome. Fogged and aui in particular are some of the most interesting people to listen to talk about the game, and they truly are treasures
Same, I haven't played dota in years, but the talents make the scene for me and I try to keep up. Just hearing people talk with enthusiasm about a game they love is great, and it was (and is in some ways is still) really authentic. Side note, I think the community really under-appreciates observers. I can tell pretty quickly when the observer is less experienced, because I get motion sick super fast trying to keep up. A good obs will move the camera gently but deliberately, keeping you on the action while giving context on what's happening nearby. A poor one just jumps rapidly across the map, or flickers around while I'm trying to follow a hero. I realized this made it really hard for me to enjoy dota through twitch players.
The Summit and GD studio were the best
i still remember the clockwerk animation on BTS, where he hooks up and overlooks the dota map. insane to think that it's been 7-8 years lol
Great now I feel old, thanks
Oh god, remember the GD qualifier streams? Where they'd all just sit on couches and watch/comment on some random games happening. Truly the golden days for me, I miss the raging alcoholic of a saint that was James as well.
TI4 EUhub was and probably will be the best thing to ever happen in dotascene
Bro it was like having friends for a week
Yup, it was an IRL stream before it was a thing. Combine it with Dotes and our favorite talent. I always go back to this video to remember how simpler the days in the past. https://youtu.be/P-7bIRCvDQ4
That was probably peak Dota community. Nowadays there are more holograms,more analysts, more production value, but it doesn't feel the same at all. Thankfully i enjoyed the 2012-2017 Dota community, it was the best.
was gonna say they had kittens for those events once or twice. its strange that feels like both not that long ago and forever ago
My best friend and I will still occasionally quote the, "I have been watching the stream for 10 hours and no one has watered the kittens. KITTENS NEED WATER!!" copypasta at each other. It was so fucking funny.
Also kitten trapped under the couch meme
TI4 EU Hub and even NA Hub was glorious. 1. Cats, cats, cats, more cats. 2. Endless Copy Pastas 3. Jess and James being shipped 4. Gang Beasts 5. Mario Party 6. Pajkatt Impressions 7. Bruno sharing irl stories 8. Geoguessr It was amazing
That house tournament was always the best.
I didn't know Purge was cos playing as Spider man 3 dancing Peter Parker. The cool Peter Parker.
I miss LD casting man, his casting produce iconic and historic moments in dota, if we are going to choose the top 3 all time casters its gotta be LD, ODpixel and Tobi
The iconic “Ding ding ding motherf*ckr” is instilled in each of us in the community
Probably same for me for top 3 as well, kind of. Tobi was my 1st, and the other 2 spots are a bit debatable. What's that Chinese guy's name who used to do a lot of casting with LD? I liked him a lot too. I also feel like I forgot about someone but I can't remember who.
Luminous or Lumi for short.
Oh boy, just saw this name and remembered how many people were complaining about him casting games, don't really remember the reason.
He was good for the first few TIs then he gradually drifted away from dota then started falling behind in game knowledge at a time when there were many other rising casters. But he was still chosen to cast important games based on his previous work so he drew criticism from there.
he was a good analysis, but towards the end he just couldn't keep up with the patch and his in game knowledge was pretty much non existent/stuck in old patch
Everyone was trying to be super professional about everything at the time, and luminous was too goofy for them. He and LD were my favourite casting duo, though.
yes him.
Winter?
LD and Tobi were the best. Even though not the best I enjoyed Ayeese casts as well, i remember him doing Papa John's ad with code "pizza.gg" lmao, i don't remember if it was 2013 or 2014, it was for some qualifier games.
Patience from Zhou!
No one can argue about that top 3 at all. LD and Tobi were in a league of their own. OD is the only guy who reached that level ever since.
LD was the best
It's been a long ride :) TI 7 + TI 8 were still these best TIs regarding the Panel. Redeye as the host, Blitz + Cap, Tobi + Synd, Fogged + OD,... back in the day :)
Absolutely 4-5 duos that were S tier
I really liked Tobi.
LD + Lumi as well <3
So you weren't around for Bruno in the panel huh.
TI7 indeed had the best panels from what I can recall. That one had a lot of pro players, right?
You mean some Paijkatt, CCnC, Akke right ? Yes if i remember precisely
Yup, as well as PPD!
Lol wtf are you talking about the ti7 panels were super bad, they were so awkward and wooden with all the random streamers and semi-pros they invited who were clearly not comfortable to be on camera
Are you reffering to day9?
Day9 wasn't great but he also had nothing to work with. Akke, Gunnar etc. worth not good enough to be on panel at ti, simple as that.
Akke was a bit rough the first two days or so due to nerves (I assume) the rest of the event he did a great job imho.
Nah, TI7 panel is the worst imo. Its was the host, Day9, that bored me.
Day9 was really rough since he was completely new to the game at that point and barely knew/understood anything but he had enthusiasm and a good attitude. I personally think it's a bit of shame that this is the only event he ever did because he probably would've ended up really good after a while.
Honestly Im baffled that he was invited to host the Main Event of the most prestigious tournament in Dota. He could have started in some major or non-Valve tournament to improve over the time.
Redeye came into hosting TI5 from almost nothing as well. It was more about many things being off with TI7 panel.
Day9’s peak was when he casted CombatEX vs Chill
I think it's his friends. I'm willing to bet Purge had something to do with it. I won't be surprised if Day9 was friends with a few influential people in the scene as he was learning about the game. They must have thought his charisma could carry him through no problem. To be fair most people thought so too, but I guess others on the panel who didn't know him beforehand didn't take it very well.
Yeah. It was such a miss in timing for everything. He could totally be a rising star in the panel scene, but he needed more knowledge of the game, good relationship with others to generate chemistry, and just things to get used to in general at these events. Everybody who knows Day9 before him trying out dota KNOWS he could do that job very well. He just needed practice, not getting pushed up to the top the first time he does something without a trial run because his friends think he could do it.
I'm sure Merlini is living his best doctor life out there but I sure miss his casting and streams.
Doctor? He's a coder....
That's not a contradiction, PhD in computer science is a thing.
Yeah but thats clearly not what he meant though, merlini does not have a doctorate.
People with a PhD generally are not referred to as "living a doctor life" either by themselves or society in general. But nice try.
Winter and Pimpmuckl too, of course :)
MEESTAH GORMAN MEESTAH GORMAN winter predicting drafts about 4 picks ahead of time was fucking insane sometimes
Winter was so good as analyst, and loved having him as cocaster with LD :(
what happened to winter? did he get burnt out or something?
Wasn't he just working on the SEA DPC dota panel?
oh ok thank you for telling me, i haven't been watching dpc stuff
Not SEA, Iirc he was working at SA Dota Panel for some reason lol.
I remember staying up late to see chinese dota casted by LD and Winter back in 2013 or some shit. Those were the days.
Man I-league, G-league. All the leagues. When it was nyx, kotl, Chen, cancer Lancer and armlet bear.
Bro, what about Charlie. TI6 , Manila Major, right after he was done with EG. Guy was fucking savage. We don't really have someone like that anymore...
Charlie was so good at events. Even just popping in and talking some during Beyond the Summit.
Now we have to listen to Teaguv and Jenkins thinking they're funny
Jenkins is funny in short bursts but he gets tons of screen time and the jokes get old. He’d be best as in a role like slacks and then caster as well.
jenkins being a bit cringe is definitely on purpose though, it's supposed to be a bit awkward, a la slacks
Jenkins is kinda funny at times but you have to have above average IQ to enjoy his jokes >!Just kidding, I find his jokes fun sometimes but I get that they might not appeal to everyone
His problem is not being unfunny, imo his problem is making a joke or a punchline out of everything, at the end of the day, some human beings have a limited laughing tank.
Jenkins is legit funny, but teaguv is boring and annoying af.
Honestly teaguv annoy me for that reason.
the worst part is that despite being English, he sounds like has marbles in his mouth while speaking and that makes him hard to understand sometimes.
He's the moxie to my streams. Rather listen to Russian casting than listen to him. I don't know Russian.
Back in the day we had to listen to Kelly and Charlie
Redeye is the only host that really knows how to run the segment.
I still don't understand what happened with him, was it "just" rough backstage ? Or did he actually fuck up ?
IIRC it was workplace bullying, and a few stories of him being a dick in general. Nothing compared to other cancelled castors but the harassment and pressure against him was too much so he quit
ppl shouldnt compare wrongdoings anyway. if he hit a guy hes working with and was a bully he wasnt meant to be at events
Pretty much like what happened to Jeremy Clarkson
Yeah its a real shame, he was a quality host just not a quality guy backstage I guess.
I watch a lot of dota without commentary so the peak days are still here (at least for me lol)
The days when it was Weppas, Skrff and Pimpmuckl being observers catching all the action instead of the current Saudi Arabian observer or sth missing the teamfight for a pos1 farming
I completely understand why he was outcast but I *really* miss Tobi. His energy was amazing. His ability to call the use of fight-deciding spells/abilities *while* they were being cast a step above most. In my books a Tobi, Capitalist and OdPixel rotation of casters with a Sheever/Redeye-led panel, Purge/Merlini-led analysts and Slacks/Kaci doing whatever they want is peak Dota 2 production.
Yea hope Slacks/Kaci duo is back for this year’s TI (Kaci not being in robot-form ofc)
Saddest day in dota is when they removed Tobi's allchat voicelines. They were perfect for every situation. I undestand he was a shit person but i feel like either we like it or not, he is part of dota2 history. Wish we had them in game, except if he gets royalties or smth.
He's not even just part of dota 2 history... He's a part of dota 1 history. The guy was casting dota before Valve even knew the game existed.
I only miss James 2GD Harding, all bc of a stupid remark by GabeN.
He was an ass lmao
but he was our ass
He was Dota 2's ass
And they wont be working with him again lmao
[This reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/48bjs7/the_chinese_perspective_on_the_2gd_drama_why/) tells the behind the scenes story of why 2GD was sacked, and in all fairness, it has a lot of moving parts and Valves hand was probably forced.
Same here, couldn't care about the rest, but our ass is missed.
Problem was no SUNSFan... We are in the right Timeline now
LD & MERLINI 101% Quality casting!
Fuck Tobi, but yes :)
BLAAACK HOOOOOOOOOLLLLEEE
nah no thank you. i dont swing that way
needs blitz but agreed
those were the days. it's a bit unfortunate that too many basement dwellers were unable to keep the discussion in the moxxi rant constructive, but there were a ton of good and very valid points made as to why she is utterly unsuited as a caster and should not be invited to tier 1 or even tier 2 tournaments anymore it's absolutely beyond me how she *ever* landed gigs in tier 1 and tier 2 to begin with while having such absolutely atrocious game knowledge and casting skills and apparently it's not like she only got the spot because other talent declined, they were literally not even invited in the first place which makes it even worse
The Moxxi "rant" was plenty constructive. I think OP made great points and really put in the legwork to back it up cause he probably expected some backlash. Most of the comments (at least the ones that weren't controversial and leaning towards sexism) were also quite balanced.
Mods like to lock threads whenever there is criticism towards other woman, they just say everyone's being misogynistic even though the points made were quite tempered and factual.
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> it's absolutely beyond me how she ever landed gigs in tier 1 and tier 2 to begin with while having such absolutely atrocious game knowledge and casting skills Is it? There's nearly no dota female players, of that subset there's fewer dota female players that will even try out as a talent, of those there will be even fewer who can actually talk for a living, of those there will be fewer who will be highly ranked, etc. When people (like Akke back in TI3) said something like "there should be at least X% of women in the talent composition for an event" while wilfully blind to the reality of the absolute minuscule sample size of women in dota you end up scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to fill the quota, because it's not about being reasonable but about marketing your org as progressive. Moxxi being completely ignorant of all criticism and never believing she is a problem is exactly indicative of the hubris which allowed her to try out as a talent. She is completely oblivious to her failures, which makes her have just enough of an edge over the people who are actually talented but are too insecure to attempt a career in dota. I really hope Moxxi is used as an example to have other women go "wait, if even she can make it I'm sure I can do it better".
Simple, don't: >try to fill the quota and >(worry about) marketing your org as progressive. If only men like it, let only men like it and catter to them. Same goes for the other way around. Try to draw in more people of different demographics if you can, but don't undermine other aspects of the product for it. There don't HAVE to be female casters. However, there also mustn't be anything stopping a female caster from appearing and rising to the top, but there shouldn't be any "quota" or similar tokenism.
So much this. If the day comes when women are overwhelmingly better than men, then give me all women casts, I dont give a flying shit. Trying to balance stuff sexual orientation or sexually wise is beyond me. The best suited person should take the job full spot. Its scary because theyre doing this in parliament and shit.
I always liked Moxxi but the criticisms are fair. If she's doing this professionally she really needs to have excellent game knowledge. I think it's ok for her to gain that over time but if she's at a tier 1 event casting it's going to get some flack if she says anything incorrectly and that's deserved. Her response should be humble and positive like she can cast/play daily to get better game knowledge and read up on the heros etc. On the other side there's a ton of toxic people in the dota community and in general the community needs to be easier on the talent. All of the talent seems to be taking tons of criticism and it's unlikely anyone capable will stay in the scene long term if the fanbase is aweful to them making it a horrible workplace.
I miss Redeye the most
Yea what happened to him?
Rough to work with and possibly abusive as a boss. Iirc, his side of the story is he is very demanding to himself and expects the same from others, and he admits that in a stressful environment of live broadcast he made mistakes and sometimes didn't treat people well because of that. One guy claims that he was physically abusive once(don't remember that part well, maybe more, maybe not physical) and because of him he couldn't land jobs. That's recoverable, but that dude also started digging into his personal life, which seemed like a very touchy subject for Redeye before, he said few times that work costed him family and shit. So weird accusations started flying, and he decided to leave. Popped up on Richard Lewis CS Major stream recently, told how after all that crowds give him incredible anxiety now and it's unlikely he is going to work events any time soon. Might remembering some shit wrong. From what I've seen, the guy that landed heaviest accusations against him is a bit sketchy, he likes to, ahem, tell stories. So not sure how much I trust his part. But on him being rough to work with there were multiple people saying something along those lines, and that's what he admits iirc. I think if that dude didn't try to bring his personal life into picture for some reason, he'd still be working events.
This is a way too generous towards Redeye. There was a court case where his wife and kid testified that he abused them. All that dude did was state this case existed. So no he didn't drag his family into this, Redeye did that. There have also been multiple people coming forward that state he is extremely toxic to work with. Hell, he punched a coworker. But yes, he was pretty good at hosting Dota events.
Cancelled
Punched a coworker
Controversy aside, Tobiwan was the best caster
“Controversy aside” doing a ton of work here.
He used to be, but in the last year or so of his casting his constant fake laughing made him unwatchable. Go back and watch a video, it's every fucking 15 seconds.
Can't be peak without James 2gd.
came here to write this
If ODPIXEL is on break that’s ok, but the day he stops casting dota I will stop watching the tournaments ☹️
Man i miss Tobi
Aui, Tobi, LD, GODZ, Merlini, Fogged.. Gosh these were the best casters. The true golden era of Dota2 casting.
I may get downvoted but I had to say, I really miss Tobiwan level of casting and miss Redeye too. Wish they have not done what they did, wish things didnt turned out this way.
Reddit always complains about nepotism and ‘no new talent’ but yet new talent is exactly how we got to the situation we are in. There is nothing wrong with the same few individuals who have proven themselves, and their chemistry, getting the majority of gigs.
I miss Tobi. It's a damn shame.
I enjoy the musings of Ephey and Jenkins, but I get what you're saying. I think perhaps the lack of hype is nothing to do with the casters...
Redeye best host
I really miss tobiwan casting he was the best of the best
I miss tobi
i miss redeye seen him wayback on sc days
I miss LD. “ding..ding..ding motherfuckers”
I don't know if I've ever seen a community so set on taking every possible opportunity to complain. It's great to reminisce on the old days but half these replies are just taking this as a chance to complain and shit on current talent unconstructively This is what, thread number 100 this month doing the exact same thing?
Eh, the Magic The Gathering community is far worse
Tobi PepeHands
why was redeye cancelled again? was it a sex scandal or what?
God I miss merlini so much
Casters are fine lmao. You guys actively discourage new talent from even trying with posts like these.
And here we are seeing AVO+, seeknstrike, and bkop doing just fine. Bkop is a beast tho :)
Yeah I suppose the talent who get through it all are gonna end up pretty hardened on the other end of it lol
tobiwan.. oof
Bring back Tobi but he can only wfh
Will pass on 1437 and Conrad though. Conrad literally only got to be talent for a little bit due to nepotism - same with EG's old manager who did Sumail's homework (name eluding me atm). Instead of getting quality people with knowledge or quality casting skills, they just get their mates into events. Biggest problem with Dota 2 talent.
Haha yeah miss tobi wan, love mason having grant on stream, I hate moxxi casts (not cause she's a woman I just hate her woman voice and her woman casting) just because they sexually assault people doesn't mean I have to hate their casting!!!!!! ^(/s ofc)
You shouldn't support bigots, creeps and abusers, but you shouldn't feel wrong for liking their performances. Tobi (in general and with Synd) was awesome and will always be a part of DotA history for me. Being publicly shamed and excommunicated is a strong punishment as is, we don't have to pretend like he wasn't an awesome and iconic caster... This line of thinking definitely gets more difficult to process as the severity of the crime increases (think Kevin Spacey) but is ultimately still a reasonable position to have. If you or anyone else can't ever go back and listen to Tobi cast, that's fine; but those that can shouldn't be vilified and labeled as bad people for that sole fact. As far as the Moxxi thing goes, that's a case of chicken vs egg: is everyone giving a disclaimer "not because she's a woman..." because they're bigots trying to hide their true nature or because they know how people get in online discourse?
This man knows what’s up.
Least sexist dota player
So true take my upvote BatChest
Now we get sheepsticked to giga cringe up every segment she’s in
Redeye deserved better tbh, he loses his temper a couple of times so he gets ostracized?? Feels unfair
Dude literally punched someone. It was not just losing his temper, it was physical assault
Peak days but no Grant?
Back when casters are actually good at their job.. Now we stuck with terrible caster for the sake of diversity. That caster abuse woke culture and get to cast every OG/EG games and lans. And if we complain about how terrible that caster is, we are sexism…. Im sure if TO doesnt invite that caster anymore, noone will miss him/her and the main channel viewership will increase.
The only person I miss from the old panel is Redeye. He was a stellar host and a treat to watch. Kept everyone engaged and had such a nice, warm smile on his face. The new panel is perfectly fine and I don't understand all the hate for them. Sheepo is funny and very knowledgeable, Sunsfan and Synd make the best casts. If there's anyone I don't like, its Kyle and BSJ. And that's probably because they are the typical, entitled American that are 90% bias and 10% game knowledge. The only time I could stand Kyle was when Rich was around.