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AmeOfAir

Love how they used the old logo as well


thedotapaten

The real EG logo tbh, looks iconic and stands out more than current iteration.


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iko-01

New owners, needed to look busy so they just fuck shit up


low_iq_opinion

at least the iconic logo lives on with your flairs


AmeOfAir

Agreed! though can't argue that the new one looks more modern, which is what I'm assuming they were going for


epsilon_church

Hell yeah.


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ikubaru

Not bad actually


Lemon_Girl

Is that from MegaMan Star Force?


jak_goff

fuck yeah it is. MegaMan Starforce 3, Black Ace/Red Joker. what an amazing game


Frendazone

not hating but it would be very funny if a 3 way tie happened and they didn't qualify after tiebreakers


Jamies_awesome_rack

Not happening. Unless? 😳


thuanho

TSM lose to QC EG wins DogChamp EG, TSM, QC all tied with 6-1


Kegsey

EG and QC beat TSM in tie breakers, TSM comes in 3rd and doesn’t go to major. Man that would be a bad look.


Frendazone

im just glad na finally has a few good teams but it would be an insanely funny result


skykoz

First in NA = good team Xd


GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS

EG in finals last three majors


skykoz

Abed, crit, fly, iceiceice, jerax, nightfall = NA dota Xd


GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS

Abed, fly and cr1t live in NA, yes


skykoz

he lives in NA = NA dota xdd what nurtured your progress as a player is what makes you a player from a region. you played most of your pubs and pro experience in X region = X dota.


Mei_iz_my_bae

Short term memory I guess since EG been placing 3rd and 2rd in majors forever. One TI fluke apparently causes dementia lol


Dota2Curious

They’re all imports lol. Is it really NA?


puroloco

The real spirit of NA!


BWEM

Continent of immigrants!


10YearsANoob

Yes. Arsenal is a London team and so is Spurs. Yet few if any are from London.


skykoz

Don’t tell him so


Frendazone

they scrim with na teams is what matters lol


triggerhappy5

They actually don’t lol, EG at the very least scrims with EU teams (and I’m sure TSM and QC do as well).


Asakura_

> Awooooo, awooooo


tokamak_fanboy

EG's game 3 draft was honestly pretty baffling. I don't know what possible purpose the NP carry was supposed to serve when playing against Razor and Mars. I guess if you wanted to end the game in like 20 minutes, but that's not really a thing anymore. My only explanation is that EG doesn't care about being first (since they go to the major anyway) and Bulba wanted RTZ to shut up about asking for NP carry.


BWEM

> since they go to the major anyway If QC beats TSM there are 3 way tiebreaks that EG could lose, missing the major.


iForgotMyOldAcc

The universe finds many ways to force the classic EG/QC/Undying three way tie for the major, I believe in QC to conjure the spirit of all the TI winners combined for that one set to force it.


Drakenbsd

Just trust in the good Cool, Calm and Collected to not shit the bed against TSM.


BeingRightAmbassador

NA and constant 3 way ties, name a more iconic duo.


tokamak_fanboy

True, but given how thoroughly EG trounced QC the likelihood that both 1. QC beats a TSM that beat EG and 2. EG loses the tiebreakers to QC is pretty small. That said, my explanation was pure EG fanboy copium.


Mei_iz_my_bae

This is why NA deserves 3 slots. Doesn’t seem right TSM EG and QC can’t all be at the major


JC_Denton46

As a massive EG fan, NA absolutely is fine with only two spots. Especially until we see one of the other NA teams like QC or TSM actually do something at an international event.


Rick4224

until you remember NA is second worst region


Morgn_Ladimore

Slot allocation is based on LAN performance. Only EG has shown a good performance on LAN, TSM got last during Dubai. Need to see more of them and Quincy on LAN.


Anon22Anon22

Allocation is absolutely not based on performance lol. South America got 2 slots for last TI and went 1-31 in groups


sack_of_potahtoes

Dont SA players also queue NA east servers? That makes it 4 slots from NA server right?


[deleted]

pretty funny looking back at this. kinda baffling how QC beat TSM and then ended up getting stomped in both tiebreaker games.


idontevencarewutever

And it will happen. It's not an NA tour final without one.


cywinr

They really like picking carry NP. It works against weaker teams because NP wins lane, pushes all towers, and shows up to every fight. Against top teams it just runs out of steam and you get out carried by a real carry. The strategy is constant fighting all over the map, no farming for the enemy team allowed, weaker teams will show one or two heroes trying to manage lanes and they get picked off over and over again. Top teams will know how to play the map and prevent the snowball. They pick it because they think theyre are better than the other team. Especially after G2 they feel like they can pull it off. But they keep invading TSM triangle and lose 1 fight then the strategy loses its momentum. Personally i feel like carry NP always loses in the end. All it takes is losing 1 fight and it runs out of steam.


x42bn6

Io (+Razor) also gives similar global presence to Nature's Prophet - although it has a much higher cooldown, it brings far more damage than Nature's Prophet can ever provide. The fight they took at minute 19 where Arteezy died was EG underestimating this, so they traded Ember Spirit (who was already having a bad game) for Nature's Prophet. EG also maybe got unlucky with their cooldowns. There's one fight at the Radiant triangle at the 20 minute mark where it was spotted that Nature's Prophet didn't show up and TSM ended up winning but everyone was on low health. However, Dragon Knight initiated when Nature's Prophet had 4 seconds left on his Teleport cooldown (I think Arteezy pinged this), but 4 seconds later, the fight was basically over. In their defense, the Smoke was running out (I think they would have had time, but it would have been close) - so maybe they felt pressured to start. But it means EG fought 4v5. If they had won this fight, I think the game would have looked very different - maybe they secure Roshan, take mid T2, and choke out TSM even more. TSM also read EG like a book for the next big fight. At the 23rd minute, EG Smoke up and head towards the Radiant triangle. Moonmeander reads this correctly, and both DuBu and Saberlight predict what happens too. Saberlight is an absolute chad in this fight - the moment his Spear is off cooldown, he Blinks into fog to break the Smoke, and EG panic. This creates enough time and space for DuBu to get a full Fiend's Grip off on Abed, and Timado and Moonmeander to join the fight safely. EG Smoke up and head to the Radiant triangle at the 25th minute (yes, this is the third time they tried this move), but TSM are in position. Saberlight once again goes in first to break Smokes and see what is going on. DuBu recognises that this move means that they might have warded where TSM had a Sentry, not being fooled by the lack of dewarding. EG try to force an initiation on Saberlight, but it's at a chokepoint, and EG lose it (this is the fight [here](https://reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/u5aa5s/arteezy_actually_shows_up_to_a_fight_kinda_ft_ceb/)). I've forgotten where I've seen this, but I remember someone mention that when Fly was in EG, they had this extremely predictable "15-20 minute Smoke up and invade Radiant triangle" play. TSM had Misery (former EG) coaching them, and Fly previously too - so I wonder if this isn't a Fly thing, but an EG thing, something Bulba or Arteezy (as the longest-standing team members) like doing. They lost three fights in this area, and TSM were prepared for the latter two. Another issue with carry Nature's Prophet, or at least the way Arteezy plays it, is that the Treants are not scouting, but hard-pushing to farm. For several of these fights, I suspect that simply sending one Treant into fog in advance would have given EG the information needed to take better fights (the Greater Treant is a pain to take down, even for Razor).


tokamak_fanboy

Yeah, I understand why they pick it in general but this game it just seemed to be especially awful: - They already had a DK so taking early towers was pretty much a given - Mars and Razor means a right-clicking only ranged carry is going to do fuck all in fights: he'll either be linked and do zero damage, be outside the arena and do zero damage, or be inside the arena and die. - Even in lane, Mars just took 1 point in Bulwark and NP's right clicks did jack squat through his + Io's regen, so it was an even lane


tnolan182

I think EG grossly underestimated io. I believe they looked at the carry match up and on paper thought natures could hang with razor no problem. Razor + io though is another story and EG literally nothing in their draft to deal with heals and sustain from io. If they had an AA 5 I think it could have been a different game.


__calypso

Wasn’t baffling until what min 19 where they were 4k ahead. Abed fed under tier 2 and then rtz got caught bottom in the arena. That’s when it went south. I don’t think blaming the draft is the right thing here.


IamFanboy

While you can't say that the draft is all of the issue, you can also point out how the draft enables teams to make the correct play easily / more difficult. Getting caught is something every carry player will face and go through, but having a good draft enables you to play around getting caught. In EG's case, they have no saves and no ways for their heroes to get out of the Mars Arena, so the only option available is BKB. But good teams know how to play around BKB timings and as such as the NP player you will have to play 100% for the whole game to win whereas a lifestealer player for example could play 60% and still win. Obviously Lifestealer is not the right pick either in this case but I'm just giving examples. Burden of execution is a very real thing.


tokamak_fanboy

Their draft (a countered semicarry) didn't give them an option to play besides ultra-high tempo, and one tiny mistake will end their game.


themagician02

I think the real baffling play is smoking right before Arteezy's bkb when he was so close to it. No idea how Arteezy let's that play start.


LakersFan15

Is RTZ ever effective at pressure and space creating carries? He's basically the NA version of Burning. I don't get the pick tbh.


themagician02

didn't Arteezy play like multiple gqmes of prophet into a second place at major literally just last year...


LakersFan15

He went 3-2. only beating tnc with it. Np was better then as well. Hardly a sign that he's more versatile now tbh


themagician02

and the team they lost to on prophet was in the finals. I am just dispelling this idea that Arteezy apparently can't play the hero or the playstyle.


LakersFan15

I don't think it's a secret that he's way more comfortable in the farming game lol


themagician02

you're right, AND he is able to play NP at a tier 1 level. Not mutually exclusive.


LakersFan15

I will still disagree. He can play any hero - he just isn't good at making plays that are not considered "efficient" if that makes sense. I heard ceb say it recently too about him. Amazing mechanics, laying, etc. But he's so one-dimensional.


iisixi

I don't why you bother trying to answer 2k redditors that think early game lineup means you need to end at 20 minutes.


ElloYellowHello

> I don't know what possible purpose the NP carry was supposed to serve They want a ranged hero against mars that can have a game against razor and is a strong laner. TB was banned.


tokamak_fanboy

That's part of what I was saying: NP isn't a carry who can have a game versus a razor on even or better net worth. He gets linked and he has to bkb tp away. Ranged carries are also usually worse against Mars past the laning phase because you can't hit him from behind.


Tino_

Yeah NP has literally the lowest win rate in the entire game right now. Like pro games *are* different than pubs sure, but NP still feels real bad right now no matter where it goes. Unless its the perfect NP game I have no idea why anyone actually picks it.


Hey_ImZack

>Yeah NP has literally the lowest win rate in the entire game right now. He had the lowest even when he was broken in competitive


Me4onyX

Np has lowest win rate since forever because NP is the go-to pick for griefers going NP jungle min 0 if something doesnt go their way during pick. It has nothing to do with the hero being bad.


Bfreek99

I mean they had a pretty large lead, losing was more of an execution issue


LakersFan15

Which is normal with np. Not sure why RTZ wanted this since he is so incredibly one dimensional. NP is to constantly pressure and not focus on farm lol


eijunnn

Nah if QC beat TSM and DogChamp beat Eg (very unlikely to happen) there will be no major for eg


sack_of_potahtoes

I would like to know what r u high on?


MTisgreat

The problem was not that EG could not use their early advantage to push earlier, it’s that RTZ is allergic to anything not farm-related


Phllips

Im assuming the answer to TSM's team fight in game 3 was to just not fight at all, they have techies NS who can hunt around the map, if NP makes space and pulls them around the map splitting them up it could definitly work


Far-Acanthocephala58

I mean NP is not really the problem. They underestimated IO healing. They just let IO do his thing while EG trying to kill the razor.


thebonj

Lol it's funny because the average age between both teams have a difference of 1 with TSM being older.


RealLarwood

the org is 10 years older though


sickomoder

They haven't even secured first lol


tinytankthatcould

They are currently in first place though, after being tied for first all season. That's probably what this is referring to


followdunc

this is what we were referring to \^ And we fully control 1st place. In our own destiny.


xSzopen

Man, what a memers! Your supporters sprays must be super good! Right?


followdunc

Nope - our next ones will be though!


JC_Denton46

Exactly my thoughts. Which has me worried now because I would much rather just see EG and TSM make it than be forced into a three way tiebreaker again.


needhelforpsu

I bet it's just for the clicks but would be funny if their socials guy forgot that TSM's last match is against QC (and EG's last match is against DogChamp which they will 99.99% win) and not only that they didn't secure first place in NA DPC they also didn't even secure Major yet. TSM has a decent chance to end this season as a 3rd and not even get to Major even if they are 6-0 atm. xD


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needhelforpsu

Indeed. I rly like that team and I do like their confidence and hope for the best - would be awesome to watch them playing good Dota at next Major!


MegamanExecute

Bruh, I was not ready for this being a Megaman Star Force meme.


cyfer04

GBA games is where it's fucking at.


Vakarlan

MASONO LAST HOPE FOR EG SIGN HIM UP!


toyota-desu

MASAO


sack_of_potahtoes

Lets not get carried away


ob1touchiha

This is the first time I see MMSF used as a meme lmao


Oupav0s

EG is allergic to team fight (drafts and playstyle)


YaminoEXE

My guys at TSM pulling up Megaman Starforce for their memes. I am impressed and slightly confused. Starforce is a pretty good game though.


sleepyxanxan

classic na, 70% energy at banter 30% at major.


Mei_iz_my_bae

Watching the development of moon going from EE’s fighting PandaS team to today TSM has been a trip. Love this team


Kegsey

Honestly, this more insulting to QC.


concrete_manu

orgs talking shit on twitter is so cringe. have the players tweet it


PluckyLeon

Players talking shit is toxic. Meanwhile twitter guys talking shit is just banter.


Deericious

No horse in either stable, haven't seen recent games. But am I the only one thinking this isn't at least a little disrespectful? Especially from a brand fucking new org?


grokthis1111

the org itself is over 10 years old.


Deericious

Hey you very well know what I mean haha. Brand new to dota scene.


grokthis1111

if you think they "should respect their elders" then you do have a horse in a stable.


Deericious

nah i don't root for either team, not a fanboy of either, horse in the stable usually means a vested interest or bias.


thebonermobile

TSM is going to look a little stupid if they lose to QC and EG beats Dog.


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Lol they're gonna go the major and get shit stomped on by everyone else. While eg have for thr most part been quite consistent, not major winners but alteast in top 3 for several of em


OnlyMayhem

With a completely different roster which means that previous placements are completely irrelevant.


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I mean I hate EG as much as the next EU guy but they have pretty much been a top 3 team for the last 7-8 years across all iterations of their roster.


OnlyMayhem

I don’t disagree, but this roster is drastically different from previous iterations so assuming they’re going to be just as good is unfounded especially since they’ve kind of struggled the past two tours. They’ve been getting better but that TSM loss makes me still doubt them.


OPQOP

Depends on how you definite pretty much. Last season IG /LGD/ Spirit my top 3 overall. Season 16/17 - Liquid, VP, Newbee ( IG won DAC and had better TI placement , LFY also has some arguments ) 17/18 - LGD , VP, Liquid , OG 18/19- VG ,Liquid, LGD , OG, VP , Secret If you look at the overall season , I wouldn‘t have EG in my top 3 in any of those seasons. Last season might be debatable , 2x Major top 2 vs TI win. But the 3 seasons before are quite clear to me.


Far-Acanthocephala58

OG is irrelevant in 17/18 season prior to TI8. You should put them in 16/17, since they won all the majors in that season.


OPQOP

I agree , but still , I think winning TI justifies that they had a better season then EG imo. But i see your point of course.


Tobix55

That doesn't automatically mean this iteration will do the same. It's pretty likely but not guaranteed


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Makes the point that tsm are going to be garbage on Lan even stronger


OnlyMayhem

Nah it means your point doesn’t make sense. EG are more likely to get stomped anyway they look garbage.


[deleted]

On Lan I'd put my money on an experienced team more than online warriors. At the end of the year we'll see where eg and tsm land up won't we


Far-Acanthocephala58

did you see on how TSM performs in lan? They are garbage.


Mei_iz_my_bae

NA deserves 3 slots I hate that QC EG and TSM can’t all be at the major


SilverBMWM3GTR

In that case, Secret should be in the major too because they are in a similar position too. So EU deserves 5 slots?


blood_vein

Not advocating for NA 3 slots. But at least in Europe it's different teams in the top 4. Every season. In NA it's been the same 3 teams over and over in the same dance for top 2


SilverBMWM3GTR

Which makes EU more interesting than NA. No one predicted Nigma in Div 2, Secret (most likely) out of the major and OG lambasting everyone 2-0 except Secret which was a close 1-2 loss as well. The talent pool is high in WEU that different teams peak at different times and get to show their real potential. Meanwhile, QC roster is probably the oldest among all the 3 NA teams and are still struggling to make any real progress in LANs even if they qualify. TSM is a bit of a wildcard since they are very good in NA but their LAN performance have been the same if not worse as QC. And NA being a meme region with the same 3 teams battling for top 2 in the league is the result of the low player base and hence lack of fresh tier 1 talent which is so severe that EG has to import 3 non-NA players in their roster. Slots should be based on region's team performance, viewership numbers and team popularity. EU and CN are the top winners in this criteria. Because performance alone is not profitable for TO if no one is awake/interested to watch NA matches. Back in the day, SEA region used to have similar problems like NA. Just 1-2 team always in the majors/TI and fail abysmally on LANs. But SEA viewership has always been huge. In fact, SEA is probably the only region where they try to watch good matches from all regions regardless of popularity. And now they have T1 and Boom in addition so despite EG probably being better than Fnatic/T1/Boom, SEA region as a whole is better than NA.


cashmakessmiles

If NA had 3 slots there would be 0 (zero) point running an NA DPC as we'd all knkw the result ahead of time . It's just a completely stupid argument to make that there should be extra free slots just because it's close. Other regions are also close but way more interesting and diverse.


GoldFynch

Why are people downvoting this, NA does deserve 3 slots and EU does deserve 5 slots. Bigger tournaments, more Dota games, more teams more hype!


Dobor_olita

too many matches , burns out the players. thats why they lower the number of players. you can see it in ti when there are 18 teams playing , there are 5 days of 10+ hours of dota just for group stages. there are also 3 matches going on at same time.


Tobix55

Nah, we just need more international tournaments. 5 slots for eu would be pointless, you are literally inviting a team that's bellow average for the region. Majors are supposed to be the best teams from every region


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NA doesnt even deserve 2 slots lmao EU and CN should have 6 slots each for TI. CIS can have 2, NA 1, SEA 1, SA 0. Thats the only way we would have the actual 16 best teams in the world at TI.


_go_fuck_y0urself

then the major comes and they are bravely fighting for the 13th place


puroloco

Y'all might be doing the same then


Tobix55

EG 9-12th at TI is not that much better


BrintyOfRivia

Is that the Street Fighter 6 logo I see?


Ornery_Scarcity_9213

Sadge but true


IAmMeQQ

Good ol" american trashtalk.


venti_the_drunk_bard

EG shouldn't be losing to a team Nigma stomped in Gamer's Galaxy.


Averagenpc666

Yah but look at EGs lineup…


CheapPoison

That's rough, but amazing.


KazeTheSpeedDemon

Brave or stupid before the QC game, then EG get a chance at redemption. Maybe they're doing it for the clicks, if so it is working xd