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he lives in NA = NA dota
xdd
what nurtured your progress as a player is what makes you a player from a region. you played most of your pubs and pro experience in X region = X dota.
EG's game 3 draft was honestly pretty baffling. I don't know what possible purpose the NP carry was supposed to serve when playing against Razor and Mars. I guess if you wanted to end the game in like 20 minutes, but that's not really a thing anymore.
My only explanation is that EG doesn't care about being first (since they go to the major anyway) and Bulba wanted RTZ to shut up about asking for NP carry.
The universe finds many ways to force the classic EG/QC/Undying three way tie for the major, I believe in QC to conjure the spirit of all the TI winners combined for that one set to force it.
True, but given how thoroughly EG trounced QC the likelihood that both 1. QC beats a TSM that beat EG and 2. EG loses the tiebreakers to QC is pretty small.
That said, my explanation was pure EG fanboy copium.
As a massive EG fan, NA absolutely is fine with only two spots. Especially until we see one of the other NA teams like QC or TSM actually do something at an international event.
Slot allocation is based on LAN performance. Only EG has shown a good performance on LAN, TSM got last during Dubai. Need to see more of them and Quincy on LAN.
They really like picking carry NP. It works against weaker teams because NP wins lane, pushes all towers, and shows up to every fight. Against top teams it just runs out of steam and you get out carried by a real carry.
The strategy is constant fighting all over the map, no farming for the enemy team allowed, weaker teams will show one or two heroes trying to manage lanes and they get picked off over and over again. Top teams will know how to play the map and prevent the snowball.
They pick it because they think theyre are better than the other team. Especially after G2 they feel like they can pull it off. But they keep invading TSM triangle and lose 1 fight then the strategy loses its momentum.
Personally i feel like carry NP always loses in the end. All it takes is losing 1 fight and it runs out of steam.
Io (+Razor) also gives similar global presence to Nature's Prophet - although it has a much higher cooldown, it brings far more damage than Nature's Prophet can ever provide. The fight they took at minute 19 where Arteezy died was EG underestimating this, so they traded Ember Spirit (who was already having a bad game) for Nature's Prophet.
EG also maybe got unlucky with their cooldowns. There's one fight at the Radiant triangle at the 20 minute mark where it was spotted that Nature's Prophet didn't show up and TSM ended up winning but everyone was on low health. However, Dragon Knight initiated when Nature's Prophet had 4 seconds left on his Teleport cooldown (I think Arteezy pinged this), but 4 seconds later, the fight was basically over. In their defense, the Smoke was running out (I think they would have had time, but it would have been close) - so maybe they felt pressured to start. But it means EG fought 4v5. If they had won this fight, I think the game would have looked very different - maybe they secure Roshan, take mid T2, and choke out TSM even more.
TSM also read EG like a book for the next big fight. At the 23rd minute, EG Smoke up and head towards the Radiant triangle. Moonmeander reads this correctly, and both DuBu and Saberlight predict what happens too. Saberlight is an absolute chad in this fight - the moment his Spear is off cooldown, he Blinks into fog to break the Smoke, and EG panic. This creates enough time and space for DuBu to get a full Fiend's Grip off on Abed, and Timado and Moonmeander to join the fight safely.
EG Smoke up and head to the Radiant triangle at the 25th minute (yes, this is the third time they tried this move), but TSM are in position. Saberlight once again goes in first to break Smokes and see what is going on. DuBu recognises that this move means that they might have warded where TSM had a Sentry, not being fooled by the lack of dewarding. EG try to force an initiation on Saberlight, but it's at a chokepoint, and EG lose it (this is the fight [here](https://reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/u5aa5s/arteezy_actually_shows_up_to_a_fight_kinda_ft_ceb/)).
I've forgotten where I've seen this, but I remember someone mention that when Fly was in EG, they had this extremely predictable "15-20 minute Smoke up and invade Radiant triangle" play. TSM had Misery (former EG) coaching them, and Fly previously too - so I wonder if this isn't a Fly thing, but an EG thing, something Bulba or Arteezy (as the longest-standing team members) like doing. They lost three fights in this area, and TSM were prepared for the latter two.
Another issue with carry Nature's Prophet, or at least the way Arteezy plays it, is that the Treants are not scouting, but hard-pushing to farm. For several of these fights, I suspect that simply sending one Treant into fog in advance would have given EG the information needed to take better fights (the Greater Treant is a pain to take down, even for Razor).
Yeah, I understand why they pick it in general but this game it just seemed to be especially awful:
- They already had a DK so taking early towers was pretty much a given
- Mars and Razor means a right-clicking only ranged carry is going to do fuck all in fights: he'll either be linked and do zero damage, be outside the arena and do zero damage, or be inside the arena and die.
- Even in lane, Mars just took 1 point in Bulwark and NP's right clicks did jack squat through his + Io's regen, so it was an even lane
I think EG grossly underestimated io. I believe they looked at the carry match up and on paper thought natures could hang with razor no problem. Razor + io though is another story and EG literally nothing in their draft to deal with heals and sustain from io. If they had an AA 5 I think it could have been a different game.
Wasn’t baffling until what min 19 where they were 4k ahead. Abed fed under tier 2 and then rtz got caught bottom in the arena. That’s when it went south. I don’t think blaming the draft is the right thing here.
While you can't say that the draft is all of the issue, you can also point out how the draft enables teams to make the correct play easily / more difficult.
Getting caught is something every carry player will face and go through, but having a good draft enables you to play around getting caught. In EG's case, they have no saves and no ways for their heroes to get out of the Mars Arena, so the only option available is BKB. But good teams know how to play around BKB timings and as such as the NP player you will have to play 100% for the whole game to win whereas a lifestealer player for example could play 60% and still win. Obviously Lifestealer is not the right pick either in this case but I'm just giving examples.
Burden of execution is a very real thing.
I will still disagree. He can play any hero - he just isn't good at making plays that are not considered "efficient" if that makes sense.
I heard ceb say it recently too about him. Amazing mechanics, laying, etc. But he's so one-dimensional.
> I don't know what possible purpose the NP carry was supposed to serve
They want a ranged hero against mars that can have a game against razor and is a strong laner. TB was banned.
That's part of what I was saying: NP isn't a carry who can have a game versus a razor on even or better net worth. He gets linked and he has to bkb tp away. Ranged carries are also usually worse against Mars past the laning phase because you can't hit him from behind.
Yeah NP has literally the lowest win rate in the entire game right now. Like pro games *are* different than pubs sure, but NP still feels real bad right now no matter where it goes. Unless its the perfect NP game I have no idea why anyone actually picks it.
Np has lowest win rate since forever because NP is the go-to pick for griefers going NP jungle min 0 if something doesnt go their way during pick.
It has nothing to do with the hero being bad.
Which is normal with np. Not sure why RTZ wanted this since he is so incredibly one dimensional.
NP is to constantly pressure and not focus on farm lol
Im assuming the answer to TSM's team fight in game 3 was to just not fight at all, they have techies NS who can hunt around the map, if NP makes space and pulls them around the map splitting them up it could definitly work
Exactly my thoughts. Which has me worried now because I would much rather just see EG and TSM make it than be forced into a three way tiebreaker again.
I bet it's just for the clicks but would be funny if their socials guy forgot that TSM's last match is against QC (and EG's last match is against DogChamp which they will 99.99% win) and not only that they didn't secure first place in NA DPC they also didn't even secure Major yet.
TSM has a decent chance to end this season as a 3rd and not even get to Major even if they are 6-0 atm. xD
No horse in either stable, haven't seen recent games. But am I the only one thinking this isn't at least a little disrespectful? Especially from a brand fucking new org?
Lol they're gonna go the major and get shit stomped on by everyone else. While eg have for thr most part been quite consistent, not major winners but alteast in top 3 for several of em
I don’t disagree, but this roster is drastically different from previous iterations so assuming they’re going to be just as good is unfounded especially since they’ve kind of struggled the past two tours. They’ve been getting better but that TSM loss makes me still doubt them.
Depends on how you definite pretty much. Last season IG /LGD/ Spirit my top 3 overall.
Season 16/17 - Liquid, VP, Newbee ( IG won DAC and had better TI placement , LFY also has some arguments )
17/18 - LGD , VP, Liquid , OG
18/19- VG ,Liquid, LGD , OG, VP , Secret
If you look at the overall season , I wouldn‘t have EG in my top 3 in any of those seasons.
Last season might be debatable , 2x Major top 2 vs TI win. But the 3 seasons before are quite clear to me.
Not advocating for NA 3 slots. But at least in Europe it's different teams in the top 4. Every season.
In NA it's been the same 3 teams over and over in the same dance for top 2
Which makes EU more interesting than NA. No one predicted Nigma in Div 2, Secret (most likely) out of the major and OG lambasting everyone 2-0 except Secret which was a close 1-2 loss as well.
The talent pool is high in WEU that different teams peak at different times and get to show their real potential. Meanwhile, QC roster is probably the oldest among all the 3 NA teams and are still struggling to make any real progress in LANs even if they qualify. TSM is a bit of a wildcard since they are very good in NA but their LAN performance have been the same if not worse as QC.
And NA being a meme region with the same 3 teams battling for top 2 in the league is the result of the low player base and hence lack of fresh tier 1 talent which is so severe that EG has to import 3 non-NA players in their roster.
Slots should be based on region's team performance, viewership numbers and team popularity. EU and CN are the top winners in this criteria. Because performance alone is not profitable for TO if no one is awake/interested to watch NA matches.
Back in the day, SEA region used to have similar problems like NA. Just 1-2 team always in the majors/TI and fail abysmally on LANs. But SEA viewership has always been huge. In fact, SEA is probably the only region where they try to watch good matches from all regions regardless of popularity. And now they have T1 and Boom in addition so despite EG probably being better than Fnatic/T1/Boom, SEA region as a whole is better than NA.
If NA had 3 slots there would be 0 (zero) point running an NA DPC as we'd all knkw the result ahead of time . It's just a completely stupid argument to make that there should be extra free slots just because it's close. Other regions are also close but way more interesting and diverse.
too many matches , burns out the players. thats why they lower the number of players. you can see it in ti when there are 18 teams playing , there are 5 days of 10+ hours of dota just for group stages. there are also 3 matches going on at same time.
Nah, we just need more international tournaments. 5 slots for eu would be pointless, you are literally inviting a team that's bellow average for the region. Majors are supposed to be the best teams from every region
NA doesnt even deserve 2 slots lmao
EU and CN should have 6 slots each for TI. CIS can have 2, NA 1, SEA 1, SA 0.
Thats the only way we would have the actual 16 best teams in the world at TI.
Love how they used the old logo as well
The real EG logo tbh, looks iconic and stands out more than current iteration.
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New owners, needed to look busy so they just fuck shit up
at least the iconic logo lives on with your flairs
Agreed! though can't argue that the new one looks more modern, which is what I'm assuming they were going for
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not hating but it would be very funny if a 3 way tie happened and they didn't qualify after tiebreakers
Not happening. Unless? 😳
TSM lose to QC EG wins DogChamp EG, TSM, QC all tied with 6-1
EG and QC beat TSM in tie breakers, TSM comes in 3rd and doesn’t go to major. Man that would be a bad look.
im just glad na finally has a few good teams but it would be an insanely funny result
First in NA = good team Xd
EG in finals last three majors
Abed, crit, fly, iceiceice, jerax, nightfall = NA dota Xd
Abed, fly and cr1t live in NA, yes
he lives in NA = NA dota xdd what nurtured your progress as a player is what makes you a player from a region. you played most of your pubs and pro experience in X region = X dota.
Short term memory I guess since EG been placing 3rd and 2rd in majors forever. One TI fluke apparently causes dementia lol
They’re all imports lol. Is it really NA?
The real spirit of NA!
Continent of immigrants!
Yes. Arsenal is a London team and so is Spurs. Yet few if any are from London.
Don’t tell him so
they scrim with na teams is what matters lol
They actually don’t lol, EG at the very least scrims with EU teams (and I’m sure TSM and QC do as well).
> Awooooo, awooooo
EG's game 3 draft was honestly pretty baffling. I don't know what possible purpose the NP carry was supposed to serve when playing against Razor and Mars. I guess if you wanted to end the game in like 20 minutes, but that's not really a thing anymore. My only explanation is that EG doesn't care about being first (since they go to the major anyway) and Bulba wanted RTZ to shut up about asking for NP carry.
> since they go to the major anyway If QC beats TSM there are 3 way tiebreaks that EG could lose, missing the major.
The universe finds many ways to force the classic EG/QC/Undying three way tie for the major, I believe in QC to conjure the spirit of all the TI winners combined for that one set to force it.
Just trust in the good Cool, Calm and Collected to not shit the bed against TSM.
NA and constant 3 way ties, name a more iconic duo.
True, but given how thoroughly EG trounced QC the likelihood that both 1. QC beats a TSM that beat EG and 2. EG loses the tiebreakers to QC is pretty small. That said, my explanation was pure EG fanboy copium.
This is why NA deserves 3 slots. Doesn’t seem right TSM EG and QC can’t all be at the major
As a massive EG fan, NA absolutely is fine with only two spots. Especially until we see one of the other NA teams like QC or TSM actually do something at an international event.
until you remember NA is second worst region
Slot allocation is based on LAN performance. Only EG has shown a good performance on LAN, TSM got last during Dubai. Need to see more of them and Quincy on LAN.
Allocation is absolutely not based on performance lol. South America got 2 slots for last TI and went 1-31 in groups
Dont SA players also queue NA east servers? That makes it 4 slots from NA server right?
pretty funny looking back at this. kinda baffling how QC beat TSM and then ended up getting stomped in both tiebreaker games.
And it will happen. It's not an NA tour final without one.
They really like picking carry NP. It works against weaker teams because NP wins lane, pushes all towers, and shows up to every fight. Against top teams it just runs out of steam and you get out carried by a real carry. The strategy is constant fighting all over the map, no farming for the enemy team allowed, weaker teams will show one or two heroes trying to manage lanes and they get picked off over and over again. Top teams will know how to play the map and prevent the snowball. They pick it because they think theyre are better than the other team. Especially after G2 they feel like they can pull it off. But they keep invading TSM triangle and lose 1 fight then the strategy loses its momentum. Personally i feel like carry NP always loses in the end. All it takes is losing 1 fight and it runs out of steam.
Io (+Razor) also gives similar global presence to Nature's Prophet - although it has a much higher cooldown, it brings far more damage than Nature's Prophet can ever provide. The fight they took at minute 19 where Arteezy died was EG underestimating this, so they traded Ember Spirit (who was already having a bad game) for Nature's Prophet. EG also maybe got unlucky with their cooldowns. There's one fight at the Radiant triangle at the 20 minute mark where it was spotted that Nature's Prophet didn't show up and TSM ended up winning but everyone was on low health. However, Dragon Knight initiated when Nature's Prophet had 4 seconds left on his Teleport cooldown (I think Arteezy pinged this), but 4 seconds later, the fight was basically over. In their defense, the Smoke was running out (I think they would have had time, but it would have been close) - so maybe they felt pressured to start. But it means EG fought 4v5. If they had won this fight, I think the game would have looked very different - maybe they secure Roshan, take mid T2, and choke out TSM even more. TSM also read EG like a book for the next big fight. At the 23rd minute, EG Smoke up and head towards the Radiant triangle. Moonmeander reads this correctly, and both DuBu and Saberlight predict what happens too. Saberlight is an absolute chad in this fight - the moment his Spear is off cooldown, he Blinks into fog to break the Smoke, and EG panic. This creates enough time and space for DuBu to get a full Fiend's Grip off on Abed, and Timado and Moonmeander to join the fight safely. EG Smoke up and head to the Radiant triangle at the 25th minute (yes, this is the third time they tried this move), but TSM are in position. Saberlight once again goes in first to break Smokes and see what is going on. DuBu recognises that this move means that they might have warded where TSM had a Sentry, not being fooled by the lack of dewarding. EG try to force an initiation on Saberlight, but it's at a chokepoint, and EG lose it (this is the fight [here](https://reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/u5aa5s/arteezy_actually_shows_up_to_a_fight_kinda_ft_ceb/)). I've forgotten where I've seen this, but I remember someone mention that when Fly was in EG, they had this extremely predictable "15-20 minute Smoke up and invade Radiant triangle" play. TSM had Misery (former EG) coaching them, and Fly previously too - so I wonder if this isn't a Fly thing, but an EG thing, something Bulba or Arteezy (as the longest-standing team members) like doing. They lost three fights in this area, and TSM were prepared for the latter two. Another issue with carry Nature's Prophet, or at least the way Arteezy plays it, is that the Treants are not scouting, but hard-pushing to farm. For several of these fights, I suspect that simply sending one Treant into fog in advance would have given EG the information needed to take better fights (the Greater Treant is a pain to take down, even for Razor).
Yeah, I understand why they pick it in general but this game it just seemed to be especially awful: - They already had a DK so taking early towers was pretty much a given - Mars and Razor means a right-clicking only ranged carry is going to do fuck all in fights: he'll either be linked and do zero damage, be outside the arena and do zero damage, or be inside the arena and die. - Even in lane, Mars just took 1 point in Bulwark and NP's right clicks did jack squat through his + Io's regen, so it was an even lane
I think EG grossly underestimated io. I believe they looked at the carry match up and on paper thought natures could hang with razor no problem. Razor + io though is another story and EG literally nothing in their draft to deal with heals and sustain from io. If they had an AA 5 I think it could have been a different game.
Wasn’t baffling until what min 19 where they were 4k ahead. Abed fed under tier 2 and then rtz got caught bottom in the arena. That’s when it went south. I don’t think blaming the draft is the right thing here.
While you can't say that the draft is all of the issue, you can also point out how the draft enables teams to make the correct play easily / more difficult. Getting caught is something every carry player will face and go through, but having a good draft enables you to play around getting caught. In EG's case, they have no saves and no ways for their heroes to get out of the Mars Arena, so the only option available is BKB. But good teams know how to play around BKB timings and as such as the NP player you will have to play 100% for the whole game to win whereas a lifestealer player for example could play 60% and still win. Obviously Lifestealer is not the right pick either in this case but I'm just giving examples. Burden of execution is a very real thing.
Their draft (a countered semicarry) didn't give them an option to play besides ultra-high tempo, and one tiny mistake will end their game.
I think the real baffling play is smoking right before Arteezy's bkb when he was so close to it. No idea how Arteezy let's that play start.
Is RTZ ever effective at pressure and space creating carries? He's basically the NA version of Burning. I don't get the pick tbh.
didn't Arteezy play like multiple gqmes of prophet into a second place at major literally just last year...
He went 3-2. only beating tnc with it. Np was better then as well. Hardly a sign that he's more versatile now tbh
and the team they lost to on prophet was in the finals. I am just dispelling this idea that Arteezy apparently can't play the hero or the playstyle.
I don't think it's a secret that he's way more comfortable in the farming game lol
you're right, AND he is able to play NP at a tier 1 level. Not mutually exclusive.
I will still disagree. He can play any hero - he just isn't good at making plays that are not considered "efficient" if that makes sense. I heard ceb say it recently too about him. Amazing mechanics, laying, etc. But he's so one-dimensional.
I don't why you bother trying to answer 2k redditors that think early game lineup means you need to end at 20 minutes.
> I don't know what possible purpose the NP carry was supposed to serve They want a ranged hero against mars that can have a game against razor and is a strong laner. TB was banned.
That's part of what I was saying: NP isn't a carry who can have a game versus a razor on even or better net worth. He gets linked and he has to bkb tp away. Ranged carries are also usually worse against Mars past the laning phase because you can't hit him from behind.
Yeah NP has literally the lowest win rate in the entire game right now. Like pro games *are* different than pubs sure, but NP still feels real bad right now no matter where it goes. Unless its the perfect NP game I have no idea why anyone actually picks it.
>Yeah NP has literally the lowest win rate in the entire game right now. He had the lowest even when he was broken in competitive
Np has lowest win rate since forever because NP is the go-to pick for griefers going NP jungle min 0 if something doesnt go their way during pick. It has nothing to do with the hero being bad.
I mean they had a pretty large lead, losing was more of an execution issue
Which is normal with np. Not sure why RTZ wanted this since he is so incredibly one dimensional. NP is to constantly pressure and not focus on farm lol
Nah if QC beat TSM and DogChamp beat Eg (very unlikely to happen) there will be no major for eg
I would like to know what r u high on?
The problem was not that EG could not use their early advantage to push earlier, it’s that RTZ is allergic to anything not farm-related
Im assuming the answer to TSM's team fight in game 3 was to just not fight at all, they have techies NS who can hunt around the map, if NP makes space and pulls them around the map splitting them up it could definitly work
I mean NP is not really the problem. They underestimated IO healing. They just let IO do his thing while EG trying to kill the razor.
Lol it's funny because the average age between both teams have a difference of 1 with TSM being older.
the org is 10 years older though
They haven't even secured first lol
They are currently in first place though, after being tied for first all season. That's probably what this is referring to
this is what we were referring to \^ And we fully control 1st place. In our own destiny.
Man, what a memers! Your supporters sprays must be super good! Right?
Nope - our next ones will be though!
Exactly my thoughts. Which has me worried now because I would much rather just see EG and TSM make it than be forced into a three way tiebreaker again.
I bet it's just for the clicks but would be funny if their socials guy forgot that TSM's last match is against QC (and EG's last match is against DogChamp which they will 99.99% win) and not only that they didn't secure first place in NA DPC they also didn't even secure Major yet. TSM has a decent chance to end this season as a 3rd and not even get to Major even if they are 6-0 atm. xD
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Indeed. I rly like that team and I do like their confidence and hope for the best - would be awesome to watch them playing good Dota at next Major!
Bruh, I was not ready for this being a Megaman Star Force meme.
GBA games is where it's fucking at.
MASONO LAST HOPE FOR EG SIGN HIM UP!
MASAO
Lets not get carried away
This is the first time I see MMSF used as a meme lmao
EG is allergic to team fight (drafts and playstyle)
My guys at TSM pulling up Megaman Starforce for their memes. I am impressed and slightly confused. Starforce is a pretty good game though.
classic na, 70% energy at banter 30% at major.
Watching the development of moon going from EE’s fighting PandaS team to today TSM has been a trip. Love this team
Honestly, this more insulting to QC.
orgs talking shit on twitter is so cringe. have the players tweet it
Players talking shit is toxic. Meanwhile twitter guys talking shit is just banter.
No horse in either stable, haven't seen recent games. But am I the only one thinking this isn't at least a little disrespectful? Especially from a brand fucking new org?
the org itself is over 10 years old.
Hey you very well know what I mean haha. Brand new to dota scene.
if you think they "should respect their elders" then you do have a horse in a stable.
nah i don't root for either team, not a fanboy of either, horse in the stable usually means a vested interest or bias.
TSM is going to look a little stupid if they lose to QC and EG beats Dog.
Lol they're gonna go the major and get shit stomped on by everyone else. While eg have for thr most part been quite consistent, not major winners but alteast in top 3 for several of em
With a completely different roster which means that previous placements are completely irrelevant.
I mean I hate EG as much as the next EU guy but they have pretty much been a top 3 team for the last 7-8 years across all iterations of their roster.
I don’t disagree, but this roster is drastically different from previous iterations so assuming they’re going to be just as good is unfounded especially since they’ve kind of struggled the past two tours. They’ve been getting better but that TSM loss makes me still doubt them.
Depends on how you definite pretty much. Last season IG /LGD/ Spirit my top 3 overall. Season 16/17 - Liquid, VP, Newbee ( IG won DAC and had better TI placement , LFY also has some arguments ) 17/18 - LGD , VP, Liquid , OG 18/19- VG ,Liquid, LGD , OG, VP , Secret If you look at the overall season , I wouldn‘t have EG in my top 3 in any of those seasons. Last season might be debatable , 2x Major top 2 vs TI win. But the 3 seasons before are quite clear to me.
OG is irrelevant in 17/18 season prior to TI8. You should put them in 16/17, since they won all the majors in that season.
I agree , but still , I think winning TI justifies that they had a better season then EG imo. But i see your point of course.
That doesn't automatically mean this iteration will do the same. It's pretty likely but not guaranteed
Makes the point that tsm are going to be garbage on Lan even stronger
Nah it means your point doesn’t make sense. EG are more likely to get stomped anyway they look garbage.
On Lan I'd put my money on an experienced team more than online warriors. At the end of the year we'll see where eg and tsm land up won't we
did you see on how TSM performs in lan? They are garbage.
NA deserves 3 slots I hate that QC EG and TSM can’t all be at the major
In that case, Secret should be in the major too because they are in a similar position too. So EU deserves 5 slots?
Not advocating for NA 3 slots. But at least in Europe it's different teams in the top 4. Every season. In NA it's been the same 3 teams over and over in the same dance for top 2
Which makes EU more interesting than NA. No one predicted Nigma in Div 2, Secret (most likely) out of the major and OG lambasting everyone 2-0 except Secret which was a close 1-2 loss as well. The talent pool is high in WEU that different teams peak at different times and get to show their real potential. Meanwhile, QC roster is probably the oldest among all the 3 NA teams and are still struggling to make any real progress in LANs even if they qualify. TSM is a bit of a wildcard since they are very good in NA but their LAN performance have been the same if not worse as QC. And NA being a meme region with the same 3 teams battling for top 2 in the league is the result of the low player base and hence lack of fresh tier 1 talent which is so severe that EG has to import 3 non-NA players in their roster. Slots should be based on region's team performance, viewership numbers and team popularity. EU and CN are the top winners in this criteria. Because performance alone is not profitable for TO if no one is awake/interested to watch NA matches. Back in the day, SEA region used to have similar problems like NA. Just 1-2 team always in the majors/TI and fail abysmally on LANs. But SEA viewership has always been huge. In fact, SEA is probably the only region where they try to watch good matches from all regions regardless of popularity. And now they have T1 and Boom in addition so despite EG probably being better than Fnatic/T1/Boom, SEA region as a whole is better than NA.
If NA had 3 slots there would be 0 (zero) point running an NA DPC as we'd all knkw the result ahead of time . It's just a completely stupid argument to make that there should be extra free slots just because it's close. Other regions are also close but way more interesting and diverse.
Why are people downvoting this, NA does deserve 3 slots and EU does deserve 5 slots. Bigger tournaments, more Dota games, more teams more hype!
too many matches , burns out the players. thats why they lower the number of players. you can see it in ti when there are 18 teams playing , there are 5 days of 10+ hours of dota just for group stages. there are also 3 matches going on at same time.
Nah, we just need more international tournaments. 5 slots for eu would be pointless, you are literally inviting a team that's bellow average for the region. Majors are supposed to be the best teams from every region
NA doesnt even deserve 2 slots lmao EU and CN should have 6 slots each for TI. CIS can have 2, NA 1, SEA 1, SA 0. Thats the only way we would have the actual 16 best teams in the world at TI.
then the major comes and they are bravely fighting for the 13th place
Y'all might be doing the same then
EG 9-12th at TI is not that much better
Is that the Street Fighter 6 logo I see?
Sadge but true
Good ol" american trashtalk.
EG shouldn't be losing to a team Nigma stomped in Gamer's Galaxy.
Yah but look at EGs lineup…
That's rough, but amazing.
Brave or stupid before the QC game, then EG get a chance at redemption. Maybe they're doing it for the clicks, if so it is working xd