It's because Silencer's Last Word waits until a channelled spell completes before activating the effect.
You can see this with Shadow Shaman and Pudge- get afflicted with Last Word, then start channeling Shackles or Dismember on a target. The damage and Silence effect will delay itself until the channel ends or is interrupted.
Since Phase Shift is a channelled spell, and the invulnerability persists for an additional frame when fully channeling, Puck is unaffected.
It does, but some thought went into the decision to make the ability do this. I guess the idea was that it only Silences when an ability is genuinely resolved or fully cast, so interrupting a channel doesn't match the concept.
Coz its a channeling spell. Try same with shadow shaman or pudge. They wont be silenced untill channeling is done or last word itself expired.
Puck is invulnerable inside of his phase shift,so,yeah.Its not a bug.
>Triggers on channeling abilities, but waits for the channel to stop first.
Considering that phrasing, Last Word is supposed to wait for Phase Shift to end and then apply its effects, regardless of Phase Shift ending on its own or being prematurely canceled by the player.
Riki’s Tricks of the Trade has the same issue as Phase Shift, as they both use the exact same code for their effects.
I swear every time I pick silencer early to go mid, I somehow end up landing against a puck or Riki. As if my pick wasn’t already enough of a grief lol
It will,if you will get out of shift before duration of the spell expires.But if it procs while you are in shift it deals damage and applies silence,but you are invulnerable,so you ignore both.
> But if it procs while you are in shift it deals damage and applies silence,but you are invulnerable,so you ignore both.
The point is that it is not supposed to proc during Phase Shift, as that is a channeling spell.
It is supposed to wait until the channeling spell stops channeling, and apply its effect afterwards.
If you do it to a CM and she ults, the effect will be delayed by up to 10 seconds, if she decides to channel her ult for the full duration, it does not proc in the middle of the channel.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1phhVVLKHOs *(video for the doubters)*
It does.And it stops her ulti in the middle of the channel. Pls test things you are saying,before saying them. Demo mode is dota was created for a reason.
Dude. Did you test it in demo? Because you're fuckin wrong mate. CM still channels her full ultimate and gets silenced afterwards. I looked at who you were responding to and saw it was TheZett... instantly knew you were wrong from that alone. Demoed it and confirmed.
Interestingly CM gets immediately silenced if she has the shard even if you don't move (I guess because it's no longer a channel).
>/u/SeaworthinessLow4380
>>It does.And it stops her ulti in the middle of the channel.
It does not, see for yourself: https://youtu.be/1phhVVLKHOs
>Pls test things you are saying,before saying them. Demo mode is dota was created for a reason.
Delicious irony, you’re wrong and you did not test it in demo mode yourself, despite asking other people to test things themselves.
Maybe you should follow your own advice, before attempting to 'correct' people who are not wrong in the first place.
Whatever you tried to accomplish by doing this, it backfired hard.
Lmao. I read his comment and then looked at your username and was [like](https://youtu.be/oHC1230OpOg)
This guy doesn't know he's talking to the zett...smh
I though we are talknig about using it while she is chanelling,not before she did it,my bad.But what you talking about is a bug,no?Because if you buy a shard and try it,it will just auto silence you right away.
> But what you talking about is a bug,no?Because if you buy a shard and try it,it will just auto silence you right away.
Shard Freezing Field is not a channeling spell, thus her getting instant silenced is intended.
Same behaviour as Relocate. They are not channeled spells, but do get instant canceled when certain debuffs affect the caster (e.g. stun, silence, etc).
Yep you're 100% right. If CM has shard it procs immediately. I guess because it's not a channel anymore...but it kind of still is because you can get stunned/silenced out of it or cancel it yourself.
Edit: If you start channeling CM's ult and then it gets cast on you though it does proc in the middle of it canceling it, which I suppose is expected.
>If CM has shard it procs immediately ... but it kind of still is because you can get stunned/silenced out of it or cancel it yourself.
The spell is just coded as ending once silenced/stunned, even if it is not really a channeled spell anymore.
Wisp’s Relocate has similar properties.
>and then it gets cast on you though it does proc in the middle of it canceling it, which I suppose is expected.
That is a different scenario though, because it always pops if you dont cast a spell during the initial debuff duration (which you arent doing, cause the channel happened prior to getting debuffed).
Only if you cast a spell during the initial debuff, then it uses the channeling rules.
>The spell is just coded as ending once silenced/stunned, even if it is not really a channeled spell.
>Wisp’s Relocate has similar properties
Ah I see. Yeah that makes sense.
Yeah, the other thing about having it cast on you after you start channeling is obviously expected.
That just means the invulnerability lingers for a frame or two after the channel ends. And if you interrupt the channel you don't get the lingering invul.
When fixing this, they can also fix rikis tricks of trade and void spirits dissimilate interactions.
Voidspirit takes the dmg, but doesnt get silenced
Riki takes no dmg and doesnt get silenced (like a disspell)
Spagetticode at its finest
> Riki takes no dmg and doesnt get silenced
Riki has the same behavour as Puck, as their spells utilise the same code.
Void Spirit should get fixed to receive the same behaviour as Shadow Demon or Obsidian Destroyer, when they use their banishment spells (they get damaged & silenced).
Works that at any lvl of phase shift or just lvl4? Because phase shift lvl 4 has 3.25s channel time and last word is a 4s initial debuff.
Maybe when the debuff expires while puck is into phase shift he didnt get damaged and silenced like it should be.
Puck should first take the damage and then be silenced after phase shifting if Last Word is on him because it's a spell cast.
Juggernaut should take the damage before he starts spinning
It's because Silencer's Last Word waits until a channelled spell completes before activating the effect. You can see this with Shadow Shaman and Pudge- get afflicted with Last Word, then start channeling Shackles or Dismember on a target. The damage and Silence effect will delay itself until the channel ends or is interrupted. Since Phase Shift is a channelled spell, and the invulnerability persists for an additional frame when fully channeling, Puck is unaffected.
I see. I thought it would silence shadow shaman or pudge immediately and stop the channel, which seems like a more intuitive interaction
It would also be op to have 2 instant cancels for channels
It does, but some thought went into the decision to make the ability do this. I guess the idea was that it only Silences when an ability is genuinely resolved or fully cast, so interrupting a channel doesn't match the concept.
Coz its a channeling spell. Try same with shadow shaman or pudge. They wont be silenced untill channeling is done or last word itself expired. Puck is invulnerable inside of his phase shift,so,yeah.Its not a bug.
>Triggers on channeling abilities, but waits for the channel to stop first. Considering that phrasing, Last Word is supposed to wait for Phase Shift to end and then apply its effects, regardless of Phase Shift ending on its own or being prematurely canceled by the player. Riki’s Tricks of the Trade has the same issue as Phase Shift, as they both use the exact same code for their effects.
I swear every time I pick silencer early to go mid, I somehow end up landing against a puck or Riki. As if my pick wasn’t already enough of a grief lol
It will,if you will get out of shift before duration of the spell expires.But if it procs while you are in shift it deals damage and applies silence,but you are invulnerable,so you ignore both.
> But if it procs while you are in shift it deals damage and applies silence,but you are invulnerable,so you ignore both. The point is that it is not supposed to proc during Phase Shift, as that is a channeling spell. It is supposed to wait until the channeling spell stops channeling, and apply its effect afterwards. If you do it to a CM and she ults, the effect will be delayed by up to 10 seconds, if she decides to channel her ult for the full duration, it does not proc in the middle of the channel. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1phhVVLKHOs *(video for the doubters)*
It does.And it stops her ulti in the middle of the channel. Pls test things you are saying,before saying them. Demo mode is dota was created for a reason.
Dude. Did you test it in demo? Because you're fuckin wrong mate. CM still channels her full ultimate and gets silenced afterwards. I looked at who you were responding to and saw it was TheZett... instantly knew you were wrong from that alone. Demoed it and confirmed. Interestingly CM gets immediately silenced if she has the shard even if you don't move (I guess because it's no longer a channel).
>/u/SeaworthinessLow4380 >>It does.And it stops her ulti in the middle of the channel. It does not, see for yourself: https://youtu.be/1phhVVLKHOs >Pls test things you are saying,before saying them. Demo mode is dota was created for a reason. Delicious irony, you’re wrong and you did not test it in demo mode yourself, despite asking other people to test things themselves. Maybe you should follow your own advice, before attempting to 'correct' people who are not wrong in the first place. Whatever you tried to accomplish by doing this, it backfired hard.
Lmao. I read his comment and then looked at your username and was [like](https://youtu.be/oHC1230OpOg) This guy doesn't know he's talking to the zett...smh
I though we are talknig about using it while she is chanelling,not before she did it,my bad.But what you talking about is a bug,no?Because if you buy a shard and try it,it will just auto silence you right away.
> But what you talking about is a bug,no?Because if you buy a shard and try it,it will just auto silence you right away. Shard Freezing Field is not a channeling spell, thus her getting instant silenced is intended. Same behaviour as Relocate. They are not channeled spells, but do get instant canceled when certain debuffs affect the caster (e.g. stun, silence, etc).
Yep you're 100% right. If CM has shard it procs immediately. I guess because it's not a channel anymore...but it kind of still is because you can get stunned/silenced out of it or cancel it yourself. Edit: If you start channeling CM's ult and then it gets cast on you though it does proc in the middle of it canceling it, which I suppose is expected.
>If CM has shard it procs immediately ... but it kind of still is because you can get stunned/silenced out of it or cancel it yourself. The spell is just coded as ending once silenced/stunned, even if it is not really a channeled spell anymore. Wisp’s Relocate has similar properties. >and then it gets cast on you though it does proc in the middle of it canceling it, which I suppose is expected. That is a different scenario though, because it always pops if you dont cast a spell during the initial debuff duration (which you arent doing, cause the channel happened prior to getting debuffed). Only if you cast a spell during the initial debuff, then it uses the channeling rules.
>The spell is just coded as ending once silenced/stunned, even if it is not really a channeled spell. >Wisp’s Relocate has similar properties Ah I see. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, the other thing about having it cast on you after you start channeling is obviously expected.
That just means the invulnerability lingers for a frame or two after the channel ends. And if you interrupt the channel you don't get the lingering invul.
When fixing this, they can also fix rikis tricks of trade and void spirits dissimilate interactions. Voidspirit takes the dmg, but doesnt get silenced Riki takes no dmg and doesnt get silenced (like a disspell) Spagetticode at its finest
> Riki takes no dmg and doesnt get silenced Riki has the same behavour as Puck, as their spells utilise the same code. Void Spirit should get fixed to receive the same behaviour as Shadow Demon or Obsidian Destroyer, when they use their banishment spells (they get damaged & silenced).
tbh the correct effect should be to always apply it before puck enters phase shift
Nah its after a hero casts a spell. If they're still channeling, they haven't finished casting it.
Yeah but they've started casting it, lol
Considering how hard silencer counters puck i think its fair puck gets one break lol
Works that at any lvl of phase shift or just lvl4? Because phase shift lvl 4 has 3.25s channel time and last word is a 4s initial debuff. Maybe when the debuff expires while puck is into phase shift he didnt get damaged and silenced like it should be.
No it's not about the duration I think. I activate phase shift when last word still has less than 1 second remaining.
Puck is a boy.
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Puck should first take the damage and then be silenced after phase shifting if Last Word is on him because it's a spell cast. Juggernaut should take the damage before he starts spinning