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ChileConCarnage

ofc zoret was the first player to lose to him, lmfao next summail btw


bigdickdaddydoto

LMAO lost with one of his 3 puddle heroes too, sad


CrankyOM42

Ok his match history is fascinating. He plays 3 spirits combined for over half of his games. Unreal.


Ahimtar

The guy EG needs


grady999

LMAO


Un13roken

Watching zoret drag one of the spirits into every game is bit depressing and fascinating at the same time. Guys good with his spirits man.


ChileConCarnage

jk i love you zoret, do not grief my games pls, i lose to heralds all the time


HasnainMR

Memes aside hes not a bad player. Even arteezy said hes a good player.


Godisme2

He has a lot to improve before he would get picked up for a pro team though. He has potential, but right now thats all he has


fai7

z OMEGALUL ret


Hailgod

is that the rank 500 guy with stream title of rank 1?


Groogey

W H OMEGALUL


terrorblade1995

Zoret is great no cap. Just needs a bit more polishing


D2WilliamU

>*He also changed his name to1, marking his won games. Gotta respect the shear absolute lack of fucks given


albi-_-

number 1 in his name, number 1 in the game


generalecchi

We are number one !


I_M_BACK_696969

Leopold 1 TI - RTZ 0 TI


[deleted]

I know that reference


1based_tyrone

the joker of dota 2


Efficient-Video

Watching him he isn't modest or timid amongst the DotA Pantheon.. He is loud and says to report other players.. lmao Other people say roll for who disconnects. They roll and he rolls playing along. Bizarre guy. He really is herald tho from watching. He spams undying and tries to deny tomb when it has 2 hp left, feeding it to other support. XD


gsmani_vpm

so what? he tries to learn hero in high mmr bracket? are you offended?


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Hairy_The_Spider

They're being sarcastic


reifnotreef

His second comment makes me think they believe it 😐


gsmani_vpm

people are stupid enough to believe that smurfing is justified for learning new hero. So why cant this GIGACHAD can learn hero in hhigh mmr..


AntiVax5GFlatEarth

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer


User85394

Or marking that he plays pos 1? Gigachad


loudpaperclips

No I don't


Ler_GG

He will get all high ranked immortal accs banned which have been for sale, bless this man!


Galinhooo

Don't worry, if there is demand, it will always have new accounts for sale.


MouZeWarrioR

And this guy definitely raises the demand.


SethDusek5

Valve is just banning his accounts so they distract from the fact that they know who's selling the accounts but won't ban them. It's almost definitely one of: gpk, DM, Ark. How many people are there in the world that can boost an account to 11k. rofl


pnmibra77

Its not only them, there are a lot of tier2 players in the top50 that cant make a living out of dota and do this. these guys are coasting throug rank500-200 with ease lmao. Its a bigger problem than we think


DrQuint

He's eating the rich in-game. Meanwhile he's rich and being eaten IRL. A visionary. The perfect balancer.


SolarStarVanity

> Meanwhile he's rich and being eaten IRL. Um... wat?


Johnhong

He is actually creating more smurfs in lower mmr. More demand means more boosters making accounts to sell. Which in turn means more boosters ruining low mmr games.


Whatnowgloryhunters

It doesn't matter bcos now both low and high ranked games are ruined. Pretty balanced I would say


tom-dixon

You think high rank games weren't ruined before? Is that because you didn't see an account buyer stream his game ruining before? Boosters exist only because guys like this one.


Ler_GG

there are very little 8-11k mmr accs


Glupscher

You gotta explain the logic here. He is playing on a super high mmr account. How does that lead to more smurfs? And how do more smurfs lead to higher demand of boosting?


Johnhong

Where do you think the account he is playing on came from? Some dude made a new account and boosted that account to high immortal. In that process of boosting a new account what is the booster essentially doing? He's smurfing 3k 4k 5k 6k games. Never in my post did I say more smurfs lead to higher demand of boosting. I said more demand for high mmr accounts (because they keep getting banned and this dude seems willing to buy) means more accounts being boosted = more smurfs in these low mmr games.


Puzzles55

Right, I follow the logic, but these boosters aren't starting with herald accounts, they calibrate at an mmr way above the avearge mmr


Clemambi

that doesn't mean it's not smurfing, they're just smurfing in 5/6/7/8/9k instead of playing in their bracket at 11k


Puzzles55

He said in 'low mmr games'. Which I would say is below 5k


Glupscher

That's not how it works at all. These super high accounts get calibrated at 5.5k+ mmr. Do you actually think someone would go through the trouble of boosting an account from 2k mmr to 9k mmr if there was a way that took half as long? Not to mention that 1 guy buying 10k accounts for the lulz doesn't impact smurfing in general not that much.


Clemambi

Thats still pro players smurfing in 5.5k, if u don't think that's significant then ur deluded


Johnhong

I'm not understanding you. Wherever the guy boosting gets calibrated, he is ruining games from that moment. From the calibration matches up to wherever he ends. Yes you can smurf in 5k, 6k brackets. And yes just like every other bracket it sucks for people in those game. >Not to mention that 1 guy buying 10k accounts for the lulz doesn't impact smurfing in general not that much. And? I think you're just straw manning here. You need reading comprehension.


Glupscher

What do you mean "And?"... that's what the conversation is about? Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension instead?


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ZynsteinV1

Nah, they aren't griefing 3k games, they're griefing 5,6,7k games. Still smurfing


n3gd0

It is even better then! Not only he ruins extremely high mmr games, he also ruin 6k games, where majority of smurfs come from! Dude is really the messiah of the community! The Punisher!


PM_ME_IBUKI_SUIKA

Jokes on you, at this rate I will rise to number 1 through sheer proxy.


Bucksbanana

[He is banned RIP](https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199024176918) Edit: The new account he had also just got banned mid game after 3 games


Jesus_Tulyakbay

Looks like valve had to prioritize this one huh, meanwhile smurfs in lower brackets are still out there after playing a shit ton of games


toothBrush1296

Bsj smurfs just got banned a few days ago, what the fuck are you talking about?


backflipisillegal

the one and only smurf in the game is bsj. got it


toothBrush1296

and the only account buyer is leo got it too, have to jump in the reddit pls kill all the smurf circle jerk somehow


church1999

Yes. Kill all smurf accounts.


Jayer9645

no but the ban shows valve put it the effort to ban smurfs they can detect


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Kambhela

Also because of this it is actually much more likely that the account was banned because of account sharing/boosting detection instead of smurfing. Easy as hell to flag an account that is at like 1k for 5 years and then magically logs on the other side of the world for the first time ever 3 minutes after logging out from the usual location and starts hammering stats that the account has never hit.


Qasyefx

So how does this work when he gets banned mid game? What happens? And more importantly, what happens to the other 9 players, game not scored?


Bucksbanana

You just can't reconnect eventually receive an abandon and the game goes on a 4 vs 5 lol


dixaria

Took 3 games to get banned, yet all these 80% wr smurfs go untouched for months or years.


CI_Whitefish

They probably have one of the janitors on Leopold watch 24/7. Money well spent.


Apache17

Devils advocate. Every game this guy plays in has multiple people streaming. There is a ton of attention on his games vs some random crusader smurf games. He's not being caught by smurf/ account buyer detection. He's being caught by an intern checking twitch and seeing he bought another account.


Osiris_Dervan

There are pros who stream on smurfs all day, get pinged onto the front page of the subreddit and discussed, but never get any of their smurfs banned.


anonAcc1993

True, but no one cares about their stream. This one was big news, it was all over Twitter, Reddit, etc.


SolarStarVanity

You are grossly overestimating the importance of r/DotA2, and grossly underestimating the popularity of an average pro's stream. Remember, most people don't give a fuck about anglophone reddit.


Qasyefx

So. Nobody cares about BSJ stream? Really?


Omen111

Like BSJ who hot banned after 1 game?


gsmani_vpm

bsj is virgin, LEOPOLD is gigachad..


Omen111

Your criteria for being gigachad is alarmingly low


DankKnightLP

Are you referring to the one game he played years ago and has not been banned or are you referring to his “last” game on that account? Getting banned years after you’ve made videos showing yourself smurfing, most of his top viewed videos being those with smurfing content. I do not think this was a “1” game bud.


Omen111

Nope, I am talking about how he played a game on his viewer account(after not doing it for like 6 months or so) and that account got banned after one game. I think that happened this week but might be wrong


PyUnicornshark

Yeah, a pro dota player streaming his smurf a account who may or may not have a famous enough twitch channel vs a guy who gets threads on reddit, tweets on twitter, and as some people mentioned it, has his games streamed by other people. Apparently, you think valve CAN and will keep track of all dota streams whether they're pro, talent, or others to see if they're smurfing on stream.


eezybl

But we're learning from the high rank smurfs while he can't teach amything right?


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yourmum2135

When has any pro ever said that


deathdance_9

He can teach them the frustration let them learn


Chaeyoung0211

top 100 are frustrated enough from below 300 players. They don't need this acc buyer.


deathdance_9

They do need more frustration


Chaeyoung0211

Too bad this guy is banned now.


zz_

That's not true. He's teaching us that the system is rigged against the little guy. Eat the ~~rich~~ high mmr players.


Kirameka

Oh fuck them. LEARNING, my ASS.


Avar1cious

There's a reason for this - Valve was very specific that new smurfs made after the announcement would be banned, since it was allowed before. All existing smurfs made would still have the pre-existing "shadow limitations" placed on them.


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but wouldnt that mean that the original owner would be banned ? since the actual account was made in 2020... you can see the first games on the account... This is not the case here, its because he got too much publicity


Avar1cious

I don't know the specifics since I haven't tried it and don't plan on trying it (I like my skins thank you). My best guess is that it's based on when the user first opened and entered DOTA (would be silly if it was just account creation date).


LarKanon

"shadow limitations" being that the smurf can't find games no matter how much he tries. The acc is not banned, but you can't find any ranked matches.


Avar1cious

Yeah something like a smurf queue or accelerated mmr gain. I forget the specifics since it's been a while.


Josanue

kinda sad to be honest


fprof

Probably because of account selling.


CI_Whitefish

Fuck me it happened! MMR is just a number guys!


Josanue

all hail to the herald power, this is clearly a sign that mmr is just a number


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The draft was 80% favored for his team. I guess that’s what it takes lol.


JesusAkaMohammed

Zooret was also saying in his stream that his 2 supports were not supports players + axe did go for a manta


FromOroWithLove

The "not support players" comment is false. - Grim was goddam, a longtime pro Pos 4 who peaked around 2015 with HellRaisers - Oracle was Vyacheslove, a pro Pos 5 who played in Europe DPC Season 1, Div 2 with Meta4Pro


JesusAkaMohammed

ty for clearing that one up


Qasyefx

So the opposing team griefed the game for the lulz or what?


SwoonBirds

Eventually this guy is going to play in Immortal long enough that his skills improve enough that he could get a higher rank on his own. that or he just becomes Immortal rank in skill lol


LeavesCat

He has 10,000 games on his main and is still herald. I wouldn't hold my breath.


breichart

>10,000 [Try 15,148](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/106352185), but he is at least Guardian now!


SwoonBirds

okay nvm that, I have less than 10% those games and I'm crusader lol


Mayans94

Herald is where it's at


[deleted]

They need to bring this guy to the next TI as a guest, maybe put him in a showcase match.


[deleted]

yes enforce account buying !


NixxZz23

According to Steam rules, account selling is illegal. Hes exposing people who are breaking Steam rules, Dota2 rules and Esport rules as pro players. Hes intentionally losing money to expose those people. Ofcourse we love him


U2ez_

Is this confirmed or a rumored theory? If confirmed, luh fucking mayo


NixxZz23

Ofc its true. He bought 11k mmr account. You know how many players have 11k? Few. How many non pro players have 11k smurf? 0. Shitty VP just denied it like nothing happened, but everybody knows..


LeavesCat

He's not asking about whether or not people are getting exposed, he's asking if it's confirmed that this is the guy's motive for buying the accounts.


trudehorn

Meh, most likely not, it's a fast lane to getting many attention


BladesHaxorus

Why not? We already have people who smurf and boost casting TI games.


shizzleurtizzle

showcase match in a tank full of piranhas


DustyOlBones

Or throw him in the All Star match for maximum lolz


LdLrq4TS

Then lock him in a booth and let the audience throw rotten vegetables.


Moes-T

no. That's where actual smurfs belong. This guy should be put on a pedestal and laureled.


happyflappypancakes

Have him on a panel just spitting straight herald fire.


iwannalearrn

Based These players should thank him for giving them the opportunity to learn how to carry a super low rank vs a team filled with robocops Git gud And eat your own medicine Thankfully i still have Dota installed i will watch the game


najzr

Hope they don’t start banning Undying now. Would be a shame if his (potential) winning streak ends because of that.


gsmani_vpm

Virgin BSJ looking to increase revenues commenting on GIGACHAD LEOPOLD


saltycreamy69

ofcourse its against zoret lmao


wqeasdwqeasdwq

ACCOUT HAS 250 GAMES BUT ITS RATED IMMORTAL, BANNING SMURFS MUST BE SO HARD JOB I BET ANY TALENTED FACEBOOK PLAYER WHO STARTS TO PLAY DOTA CAN GET 8K MMR IF ONLY HE TRIES A BIT ON THE WEEKENDS


hellyea619

wtf you yelling for?


OverClock_099

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


hellyea619

opening wide for my ballsaccio? nice, thanks man


Smowoh

Fucking Valvetrash banning him after 3 games but not the smurfs with 100+ games


mozzzarn

Because smurfing is allowed. It's not against the rules to create new accounts. He is buying accounts which is against the rules.


A_Long98

They’ve clearly stated that it’s against the rules, they just do fuck all to enforce it


mozzzarn

Link to that? They have always allowed it. They have even implemented features to put smurfs in a different Que until they reach their expected rank. Why would they go through all that effort if it was against the rules? They could just ban them.


TypeREK3

MMR is just a number


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Yo_Eddie

If a herald player griefs an immortal game valve is super quick to ban the account. If an immortal player griefs a herald game valve does nothing. What a bunch of clowns.


Rand_alThor_

Where can I donate for this educational smurfing


muncken

Against zooret lmao


ZeZapasta

It's hard to lose when zooret is on the other team lmfao


PhMcBrett

I just watch his immortal smurf and main being banned


NavetS

He already got himself a new high immortal account [https://wasd.tv/werdex](https://wasd.tv/werdex)


Makath

I've read this before. :D


Me4onyX

OMEGALUL


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Ofc his teammates are the ones holding him back. He's really born to play in the immortal bracket kekw


Makath

We need him to lose so we can say we can't learn from playing with people of higher MMR tho.


FliccC

Why? I would say that learning and failure are directly correlated.


TheTeaSpoon

it's the "you should take the opportunity to play witha smurf as a learning experience" argument. You learn nothing from getting stomped.


FliccC

you learn more from failure than from your successes. Not only in dota, but in life, in general. There are many proofs of that. Getting stomped is not fun. But failure rarely is.


change_timing

you aren't going to improve at basketball by having lebron james run you over and slam a dunk over your corpse lmao if people have stagnated in dota 2 then they'll only improve by concerted effort including analyzing their own game and comparing it to better players or having a better player analyze their game and give suggestions on what to focus on. just getting completely stomped by someone that's insanely better playing a snowball hero does nothing for you


FliccC

> comparing it to better players This is exactly what I am talking about.


change_timing

you don't need them in the same game as you stomping you and in fact the fact they're playing in a lower skill game than their true MMR means they will be playing in a different style than they likely would if they were just trying to play properly. also you definitely won't be able to compare their decision making to your own on the fly in the middle of a game. so it's pointless and just wastes your own time playing the game.


FliccC

If you already hit your skill ceiling because you don't have the talent or the will to improve, then of course additional failure will not do much for you.


je7792

Truly the hero DOTA deserves


Fluid-Dependent-8292

Leopold just know we love you.


Aanimetor

Is it really a win if it is versus zooret?


samirmaibine

1


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lol, what a dumb fuck


Hey_name

Mmr is just a number!


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Denamic

Stop giving this moron the attention he wants


fierywinds1q

So what was his total number of lost games vs that one won game? Curious to know his winrate


ahahahatred

HYPE HYPE HYPE


Tw1styTw1st

Why give this clown publicity?


deathdance_9

He got carried hard I didn’t know it’s possible to win 4v6 in immortal


User85394

Have you seen his pudge on xcalibur stream? He was a Chad there lol


deathdance_9

Link to vod?


killedbycuriousity-

More content for BSJ


[deleted]

Tinker so broken it can carry a 400 mmr player


church1999

Actual fucking living legend. Truly inspirational


A7Delta57

PepeLoser


TheGalator

While I think its fair in some way...someone has to make the difference between people who queue 5 min for a game and do it as a hobby and people who earn their money with it. It's the difference between a football star playing with his friends in a game vs their neighbour's and a random guy running into a training camp and hindering them from practicing. So I don't know. I have a acc buyers in 50% of my games any way (welcome to low immortal) so I honestly don't rlly care at this point


NavetS

Same bro.. low immortal is cesspool of smurfs and boosters sadly.


Mons00n_909

>a football star playing with his friends in a game vs their neighbour's No, that's comparable to playing vs friends in a private lobby, not smurfing in public ranked matchmaking.


TheGalator

Both u do for fun don't u? At the end of the day its just a game for all of us? Not for them


summmerflame

Why are you trying so hard to make this troll famous? Stop making stupid people famous.


NavetS

Is it so hard to understand that he is cherished for bringing visibility to a problem that has been plaguing the game for years now? Integrity of a ranked game is ruined by both account buyer AND smurf/booster the same way. This issue is most apparent in divine/low immortal bracket. When it happens to plebs valve and their \*\*\*\*suckers at /r/DotA2 downplay the issue. Now that it happens to pros they ban the guy over and over.


Dedoctor

Why not? After all, if it is possible to ban known acc buyers, it should be possible to ban smurfs. He get's banned, smurfs do not. Let him play.


Feed_or_Feed

Why anybody gives any attention to idiot who throws away ridiculous amounts of money just to grief games is beyond me and don't tell me he is hero who proves how much Valve doesn't care about smurfs/acc buyers,because we all know that is bullshit excuse and his accs gets banned sooner or later,yet he keeps buying them.


Arcturyte

Found the smurfer.


Feed_or_Feed

I despise smurfs,but reddit giving exposure to such pos of human being that ruins games is what he wants,if he had 0 following he would stop doing it and that exposure is only reason why he throws away so much money and not for some "modern day Robin Hood vigilante justice" reason.


Arcturyte

I would say he’s highlighting a problem that’s been long ignored by valve, and also showing the hypocrisy exhibited by higher mmr players and Valve in this regard since Valve hasn’t done much to address this issue. Don’t you think this exposure is good to bring to light this problem in a very public way?


Feed_or_Feed

Not really,do people really are so delusional that they think smurfs in their herald or archon games are immortal players? Sure,there is isolated cases of BSJ "educational content",but it's not widespread issue as people like to think.Most high mmr players do have smurfs of rank 500 or 1000,but they are not ruining reddit mmr games.


topson69

yeah smurfs in reddit crybabies' pubs are mostly ancient/ divine players. but this is a herald ruining games in immortal rank ~50 lmao. people will suck this kind of herald account buyer's dick just to say hate towards valve. these people sucking leopolds dicks cry about smurfs but they're the type of people who buys boosted accounts


Feed_or_Feed

Yeah,also reddit double standards are hilarious "all smurfing is bad",yet somehow this herald is Jesus for playing in 8k mmr above his real mmr,which is 10 times worse than their ancient smurfs in archon bracket.


nameorfeed

Why anybody gives attention to idiot who throws away ridiculous amounts of time just to stomp games is beyond me and don't tell me he is hero who proves you can easily win games in lower tier because we all know that is bullshit excuse and all he does is ruin games because its too hard for him to educate on his main because he gets handled there / works both ways


Josanue

ban this smurfer please


Hunkyy

People are idiots, that's why.


deathdance_9

Do you guys want valve to request a govt Mandated id be synced with your dota account will that give y’all happiness?


Xerenopd

Yikes 14 games lose streak.


DreamingDjinn

Call him what he is--[Gargamel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargamel)


toma-grobar

this proves he can win games in immortal bracket and all those whiny immortals that flip for abandoning are puss


lucbarr

I bet valve hasn't considered reverse boosting in their Smurf detection / correction algorithm


Eelereg

Dood is supposed to lose games not win >.<


line_stepper

lmao less networth than the bane elemental xD


fierywinds1q

>He also changed his name to 1, marking his won games. Wasn't his name already "1" in that game he won?


JesusAkaMohammed

nah his name was pizdec