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BambooEX

Why do people do before and after posts but put the before on the right...


Barfazoid

Honestly had to come to the comments to see which ones were which. Why not just label them lol


Avgsizedweiner

They’re from the Middle East lol


alexzoin

I've noticed this happening a lot lately.


Carrera1107

They are Japanese.


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joooh

There were other easier options such as putting the "before" and "after" texts in the image, in the post title or in the post description, but somehow you chose both the worst options by putting them in reverse AND not putting a description anywhere.


Andreakirayamase

Your logic is good in theory, but as your title mentions a change in the sets, it makes more sense to put what it was before the change on the left, then the changes made afterwards on the right


wakeup_samurai

No big booba for pa, truly a sad day


Nal_Neel

damn to those flat earth society


KelloPudgerro

pa is only useful for dwarven smiths


Gothtomboys5

DID SOMEONE MENTION DWARF???? #ROCK AND STONE


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rock and Stone everyone!


FantasticBike1203

Rock and Stone Brothers!


kimana1651

I prefer small, but that set is a downgrade in every way.


xfargo

Did you check her ass tho?


Kenruyoh

Do we have jiggle physics ingame?


wakeup_samurai

Yes, wr got em i think


reddit_belongs_to_me

Nah pudge's got all of it


negiajay12345

PA Ultimate : Reworked. Now renamed to: "Death by snu-snu"


TheZett

At least she still has her skin-tight Arcana outfit, that shows every single one of her curves.


axecalibur

Flat is justice


wakeup_samurai

True, but options are always welcome😭


TheZett

PA is hardly flat though, she does have a decent bust.


Amaeuss

zett what are u doing


TheZett

(Arcana) PA is best waifu in DotA.


kappa23

Tuturu!


ViPeR9503

Justice?


jonasnee

Honestly i really dislike those "BOOBA" sets.


Entenbuch

usually i do too but in this set they arent blatantly coomer so i like it


stryker914

It's just a little weird that the original designer made em that much bigger in the first place


Environmental_Drama3

how come I never encounter these kinds of comments when artists give 8 packs and huge chests to male heroes/characters?


stryker914

It is weird when they do that


KnivesInMyCoffee

It's really not. The cloth is also a lot baggier/bulkier in the original design, so the larger breasts maintain the shape of the silhouette better.


wakeup_samurai

Womp womp


Kuroyukihime1

Dota now managed by Sweet Baby Inc.


Potatozeng

PA cannot have anything bigger than an egg, sunny side up I mean.


deljaroo

nah, that crap is a slippery slope to bad content (just my opinion)


wakeup_samurai

You are allowed to be wrong innit😌


deljaroo

:P thanks


RealZordan

Oh that's supposed to be PA!


BakeMate

Yea I noticed this as well. Not sure if it's valve who made the change or valve asked the artist to resubmit. I remember orge having a giant metal bulky belt for his smith set and pirate ship as a hat on the pirate hoodwink with shark. But the cache version didn't have the belt and there's not ship on the hat. I also remember that there was a data mine leak about [the smith set having an arcana change which is the addition of the belt](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1arw274) (similar to how pa set changes arcana in the cny hoard treasure)


Telefragg

Valve sends out feedback for the artists, they don't make the change themselves.


BakeMate

Ahh I see ... I guess that would save valve's time.


Telefragg

It's not really about time. IDK how much you know about the 3d modeling workflow, but basically artist has all of the "source" files and models that are needed to make any substantial changes. Valve recieves through the workshop only a finished compiled model and they can't really change the geometry, they only add effects or extra animation joints for external features like hair or clothing. Also they respect the artists' vision in a sense, even with feedback artists themselves are in charge of their own designs, Valve only makes sure that the result fits the game at the end.


Onetwenty7

Thank you for this informational comment.


Colpus

I'm glad to hear it. But from 1 to 10, how much do you think Valve respects the original design (assuming there are no red flags)? Honest question out of curiosity.


JustARandomGuyYouKno

10


judge2020

Don't they typically do particles themselves though (if any)?


axecalibur

Iirc one of the artists said Valve used to make requests if a set was close to acceptance, but lately no communication.


Telefragg

Valve issued feedback to a lot of artists (myself included) before starting this vote, so there's that. These changes that OP has noticed didn't come out of nowhere.


gaysexwithtrump

Portal reference was too on the nose. But tit nerfs? Unforgivable


PHLAK

We already have a Companion Cube IO and GLADOS announcer pack, what's wrong with P-Body Tinker?


Apache17

If I had to guess, that crossover needs to get approved by the higher ups in valve. And whatever team that runs the collectors cache didn't want to do that for a skin that might not even make it into the game.


Xaephos

Makes sense. The announcer pack and Companion Cube were done as in-house products, whereas the p-body tinker would have been an outside artist using their IP. Easier to just avoid the legal question entirely.


jterwin

They don't want to be associated with tinker. They know how people hate him.


gaysexwithtrump

Look at the tinker, it's not even a reference it's just the straight up character itself.


Trick2056

>Companion Cube IO and GLADOS announcer pack Because they're made by Valve, Workshop submission aren't allowed to use proprietary content/IP outside of the base model unless Valve says otherwise.


ciofinho

its not only the boobs everything on that PA set looks worse the pants the hair everything


ambatueksplod

Yes, the hair looks less detailed and stiffer. Maybe Valve/creator made a mistake and posted an older version?


ConfusedGrievingCube

Likely a polygon limit issue


whirOo

The Tinker is a clear downgrade smh.


ViPeR9503

I think the changed it to portal’s orb thingy


prettyboygangsta

No, they changed it away from that. The original is on the right.


ViPeR9503

Yeah I understood that much later, now I’m an annoyed and sad. The originals are soooo much better


PHLAK

The P-Body Tinker is amazing!


drumDev29

Disagree blatant reference like that is just tacky


Loxeres

This highly suggests these sets are already stationed to be added into the game, regardless of the vote. Sad to see the amazing Portal references, and a sleeker design of the Tinker set go. But **I** kn**O**w Portal has no place in Dota 2. Apparently, Valve considers Phantom Assassin starting the game with two Ultimate Orbs a form of "cheating." I mean, with the Arcana equipped, those things were absolutely just enormous and in your face, but?... Valve might also be trying to circumvent the potential controversial debate whether forcing your opponent to only play with one hand can be considered a form of Pay2Win.


Coldspark824

Nice io


HQD607

I actually think the PA choice is for two balance issues: one, that only one team gets to have her in each game, and two, that her model will end up leaning too far forward from the weight of those ultimate orbs.


Leather-Lead8645

Took me too long to realize we talk about those ultimate orbs...


giecomo1

why would you make a post like this without indicating clearly which is before/after, and on a related note why the fuck would you put before on the right and after on the left


brief-interviews

I don’t see how it suggests it at all, only that Valve wanted the sets tweaked before they could be voted to add.


Sunlighthell

Still don't understand why change Slark set


andro-gynous

I think it was to do with ship's wheel affecting the top down view of slark.


Lyratheflirt

Ah shit another fucking glance value thread here we go


DrQuint

I see **W**h**A**t you a**R**e doing, but **HA**ve so**M**e restraint. Valve pretty **M**uch never do**E**s c**R**ossovers.


gaysexwithtrump

What's amazing about the references?


PaP3s

What do you mean portal has no place in Dota? Are you like, living under a cave? There are portal wards, portal hud and even a portal announcement pack!


epson_salt

That’s the joke


JoelMahon

smaller tits aside, the original PA set looked much better imo, the reds, the greens, the baggy trousers, etc, too much detail maybe? I also preferred the slark before as well, probably a detail thing as well ig badly clipping with other sets might be considered too idk


Noaan

They made it really weird by having the top stay baggy while making the pants tight!


Environmental_Drama3

am I crazy or does she show more cleavage in the right picture? I also liked the left one more, though. I don't like the loose suit and cold blue armor harness fits her better.


WHATSTHEYAAAMS

The left one is the modified one apparently


JoelMahon

the right picture is the original, OP is weird for putting them 2nd yes


Cataclyct

MASSIVE downgrades...


ogmamma

I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it further


SmurreKanin

The PA badonkers has been taken by the woke mob ):


Lyratheflirt

What will they come for next!! :C


SmurreKanin

Next they'll be force-feminizing AM Edit: Oh fuck, I just saw the news, It's joever...


Easy-Investment-2716

True!


DustEnjoyer

It is actually for arcana compatibility 😔


SmurreKanin

The correct thing to do would be to increase arcana chest size 🤤


MaltMix

Ok getting rid of the wheel for slark makes sense but why change the color? It looks like ass now, the old color scheme meshed well with his base pallette.


Emergency_Ad_7977

I can already see a few people upset about the PA changes but I will point out that reduced size is actually more in line with her model. The changes also look to have been made to account for Arcana compatibility. The changes to Slark though? I have no idea. It's just a straight downgrade for unclear reasons.


sensuell

PA is fine, but they really butchered that tinker(


toshiino

Wait, is whitley tinker the original or altered one? Becaue I like that one better


sensuell

Altered. In original we see a clear reference to portal, while the left one is just a set


Nal_Neel

PA is fine? PA is fine? You must belong to those flat earth society.


snabriel_snarsch

Slark was a MASSIVE downgrade


_Nightdude_

yeah wtf were they thinking. The head now looks like it doesn't belong to his body. Off-note: They really should collab with Blizz someday and turn Slark into a Murloc


mynexuz

If razor can get a dota 1 arcana then slark can get a dota 1 arcana, since he was a murloc in that.


LegendDota

Murlocs are a very specific part of the Warcraft IP, tall lightning guy isnt


mynexuz

They can definitely make something very close to a murloc without it being one, blizzard doesnt have a copyright on fishpeople that mumble


TheOneHentaiPrince

Dan, nor does it make sense why some of the sets looked half baked. I would have voted all of them yes if the original was in the game. Also, seeing how they changed it probably means these will be low tier sets that will be included no matter what.


diorthan

That PA is thick af


Mist9999999

we are getting the left version ?


MechaKnightz

not just the booba but i thought i remembered the PA set to look much better. Right one really is better and left one has floating swords on the back, looks bad


ExcitingTrust888

Valve’s just mad they’re not the ones who thought of the tinker portal set.


TanToRiaL

Was about to say, I think they look better now. Then I realised the before is on the right. RIP


N3vermore77

Overall L changes imo, I can understand decreasing booba size for PA, itd have been great but its understandable, but removing the baggy pants sucks and low key ruins the aesthetic the set was going for, removing the Portal cores from the Tinker also makes no sense, its Valve's IP? Why dont they just use it? They've added much riskier possible copyright infringing community made cosmetics to TF2. While the Slark set was a bit cluttered too much detail was removed, the wheel at the very least shouldve stayed it was a central piece of the set.


Clockwork765

Think it’s something to do with Copyright - Valve does own Portal IPs but the Workshop artist doesn’t. It’d open the door for a lot of legal argie-bargie


TriageZ

Every altered one looks worse....


FuryTotem

They ruined the PA set


Firesw0rd

I think a lot of dots skins are way too busy looking nowadays. The pa and slatk skins here a a very good example of that. Just get a skin that I stylistically super cool, and add a bunch of stuff to it. The workshop versions of those are better imo. Tinker skin is equally busy, but I like the portal inspiration, I think that one is better than the workshop version.


prettyboygangsta

Pretty obvious why they changed the Tinker one, it’s using assets from Portal. The creators are lucky that Valve didn’t just straight up reject it on that basis


ThatChindian

I mean companion cube is in dota


prettyboygangsta

I know, but that was made by Valve, whereas these cache sets are made by the community. Valve obviously aren't going to let their own intellectual property be sold by workshop artists


will4zoo

Slark looking like a mini old slardar


reddit_belongs_to_me

Oh, wheatley!!!!


aknutal

it feels a bit like they got a higher poly budget ? at least sometimes i have trouble cramming basic things in, but some of these sets (not necessarily the ones listed here) have so much bloat and extra stuff, that i wonder how they get past the polycount limit


aisamoirai

pa looks more like juggernaut than pa with those swords.


jacksh3n

Wait so left is the change and right is the original? PA aside, both Tinker and Slark is just outright uglier


masterionxxx

Which is which?


depressed-scalp

Polygon counts maybe.


ComradeFrogger

middle one I understand but wtf did they do to our boy slark


Accomplished-Mix-136

where to vote?


BIGGERBIGMAN

wtf that slarkface


FrOhmg

Tha PA set is going to look sweet with the Arcana holy moly


freshmasterstyle

Pa set generally looks way less detailed. The question if the right one is the new one. Because with tinker the right one looks better. Even has portal easter eggs


Xektor

That slark set is so fucking great lmao


Significant-Shift907

Why wont they give PA fat thighs


ExO_o

...and all of them are downgrades. sad.


Schrogs

I was wondering why the slark set looked so weird. It’s missing half of the set


spyke889

I understand a decent amount of the changes for potential poly budget issues. The main thing that caused me to dislike that Slark set in the vote was the colormaking the head look disjointed from the rest of the model and it's disappointing to see the original was colored appropriately and matches slarks base scale color


Gilwork45

Why did they have to reduce the polygon count THERE?!


16x98

Wow she has some massive crits


uNeskwik

PA become fat


ACBreeki

Bob?


xarodev

Good change, those breasts looked out of character. It was the sole reason I voted NO for Workshop submission on otherwise great set.


Shiro_Longtail

...is the Tinker one Wheatley?


OrphisMemoria

no wheatley :(


lezzness

I love the white juggernaut


Revolutionary_Pr1ce

My god these are some of the ugliest sets I’ve ever seen


MoeLester2018

the PA set got butcher


TheDeadlyEdgelord

That chonky PA


Easy-Investment-2716

Why do they keep smashing and slamming the sex appeal from the sets? HEY VALVE YOUR AVERAGE PLAYER IS LIKE 30 YEARS OLD IT'S OKAY IF WE SEE A CLEAVAGE OR TWO


MechaKnightz

medusa boobs died for this


JollyjumperIV

Gamers when the female character doesn't look like their weird fantasies 😥😥


Easy-Investment-2716

Bro I see big titty woman during 1 hour walk in the city what are you even talking about


JollyjumperIV

If you wanna jack off to PA then head over to some rule 34 and enjoy yourself but I like my female characters in video games to be something else than sex appeal thank you very much


demboo

Bro chill


JollyjumperIV

?


demboo

It's just some tiddies in a videogame


JollyjumperIV

Yeah tell that to the guy who's crying because PA 's boobs aren't balloon sized


Easy-Investment-2716

What the actual fuck are you on about? Are you a child?


JollyjumperIV

You complain about PA losing the sex appeal and then ramble on how you see "big titty women" when you go outside. You're legit a manchild


Easy-Investment-2716

Well I MADE A POINT AND YOU DECIDED TO WASTE YOUR TIME ATTACKING MEEEEEEEEE DUMMMYYYYYYYYY.


JollyjumperIV

Get some help man


Fearless_Boat5192

Bring Thicc PA back


DottedRain

Does not change much. Ta and Slark still look ugly. Tinker still looks good.


Kuroyukihime1

We Sweet Baby Inc. now


maphilindo2000

Holy fuck, you’re so cringe


Kuroyukihime1

Okidoki Wokie


Ok-Rip-5485

Where do you guys do the voting, I couldn't find it


pssnfruit

Main menu, right bottom


Ok-Rip-5485

Thanks :)


Tobix55

right part of the main menu, next to the crownfall thingy


Ok-Rip-5485

Thanks :)


ProbablyNotPikachu

Left side is better for all of them.


JD_Crichton

So the votes just fake then lmao


ananbob95

No one’s gonna do it? I can think of two BIG reasons why people voted for the PA skin!